[ozmidwifery] the "Devine" Response!

[diane]

Hi All, 
Here is Miranda's response to my letter!! Im 
thinking about mine... Cant really swear at her can I?
 
Dear Diane:As you know Prof Tracey is not an impartial observer and I 
am not the only person who does not consider her research to be "proof" of 
anything except the perfectly obvious proposition that you get better 
outcomes from low-risk births.RE a) No one is talking about rushing to 
RNS, just not duplicating resources at Gosford and Wyong.Ideally every 
woman would have a natural delivery with midwives but when things go wrong 
or she is desperate for pain relief, she and her child are entitled to the 
very best medical intervention possible.I want women and their babies to 
have that choice, and I don't like to see the state giovernment get off the 
hook on their responsibiliy to provide that care, as happened with 
Camden.I have written on this topic for ten years. I have done my research. 
I have approached the issue as an independent observer, concerned primarily 
for the health of mother and baby and less concerned about whether or not 
the mother has a fulfilling experience in childbirth or whether the 
supposedly patriarchal medical establishment has too much 
power.Miranda DevineThe Sydney Morning Herald &The 
Sun-Herald201 Sussex StreetSydney 22 
9282-1102

RE: [ozmidwifery] the "Devine" Response!

[Vedrana Valčić]

“concerned
primarily for the 
health of mother and baby and less concerned about whether or not the mother 
has a fulfilling experience in childbirth”

 

Yeah. If baby is alive, and mommy is
alive, what else in the world could they want? Nothing else matters. Talk about
holistic care. Just forget what you wanted, all that matters is that you and
your child are alive. You’ll forget about the rest the minute your child
is born.

 

Heard all those things (I don’t want
to be rude and use another word) before.

 









From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
[mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au]
On Behalf Of diane
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006
7:21 AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: [ozmidwifery] the
"Devine" Response!



 



Hi All, 





Here is Miranda's response to my letter!! Im thinking about
mine... Cant really swear at her can I?





 





Dear Diane:
As you know Prof Tracey is not an impartial observer and I am not the only 
person who does not consider her research to be "proof" of anything
except 
the perfectly obvious proposition that you get better outcomes from low-risk 
births.
RE a) No one is talking about rushing to RNS, just not duplicating resources 
at Gosford and Wyong.
Ideally every woman would have a natural delivery with midwives but when 
things go wrong or she is desperate for pain relief, she and her child are 
entitled to the very best medical intervention possible.
I want women and their babies to have that choice, and I don't like to see 
the state giovernment get off the hook on their responsibiliy to provide 
that care, as happened with Camden.
I have written on this topic for ten years. I have done my research. I have 
approached the issue as an independent observer, concerned primarily for the 
health of mother and baby and less concerned about whether or not the mother 
has a fulfilling experience in childbirth or whether the supposedly 
patriarchal medical establishment has too much power.


Miranda Devine
The Sydney Morning Herald &
The Sun-Herald
201 Sussex Street
Sydney 2000
02 9282-1102

RE: [ozmidwifery] the "Devine" Response!

[Maxine Wilson]

Diane – perhaps pointing out that
the ongoing health of the mother and baby are very much related to whether the
mother has had a fulfilling experience in childbirth – unhappy mothers do
not make for well mothers or well babies (ie PND, breastfeeding failure,
relationship difficulties etc).

Maxine

 

 

 









From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of diane
Sent: Monday, 27 February 2006
5:21 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: [ozmidwifery] the
"Devine" Response!



 



Hi All, 





Here is Miranda's response to my letter!! Im thinking about
mine... Cant really swear at her can I?





 





Dear Diane:
As you know Prof Tracey is not an impartial observer and I am not the only 
person who does not consider her research to be "proof" of anything
except 
the perfectly obvious proposition that you get better outcomes from low-risk 
births.
RE a) No one is talking about rushing to RNS, just not duplicating resources 
at Gosford and Wyong.
Ideally every woman would have a natural delivery with midwives but when 
things go wrong or she is desperate for pain relief, she and her child are 
entitled to the very best medical intervention possible.
I want women and their babies to have that choice, and I don't like to see 
the state giovernment get off the hook on their responsibiliy to provide 
that care, as happened with Camden.
I have written on this topic for ten years. I have done my research. I have 
approached the issue as an independent observer, concerned primarily for the 
health of mother and baby and less concerned about whether or not the mother 
has a fulfilling experience in childbirth or whether the supposedly 
patriarchal medical establishment has too much power.


Miranda Devine
The Sydney Morning Herald &
The Sun-Herald
201 Sussex Street
Sydney 2000
02 9282-1102

Re: [ozmidwifery] the "Devine" Response!

[Janet Fraser]

I have to agree as someone who 
sees the evidence of PTSD every day around me in too many women. Don't healthy 
babies deserve healthy mothers? And how is a baby going to be parented in 6 
months time when the mother is going under with PTSD? Or if she kills 
herself? Let alone how that "healthy" mother with her belly gaping or her 
vagina ripped open is supposed to care for that baby in the first place? The 
"healthy baby" myth is designed to keep us from complaining about medically 
sanctioned rape.
I can just imagine Miranda's 
face if I said that to her. *rolls eyes*
Sigh.
J
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Maxine 
  Wilson 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 7:28 
  PM
  Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] the "Devine" 
  Response!
  
  
  Diane – perhaps 
  pointing out that the ongoing health of the mother and baby are very much 
  related to whether the mother has had a fulfilling experience in childbirth – 
  unhappy mothers do not make for well mothers or well babies (ie PND, 
  breastfeeding failure, relationship difficulties 
  etc).
  Maxine
   
   
   
  
  
  
  
  From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of dianeSent: Monday, 27 February 2006 5:21 
  PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] the "Devine" 
  Response!
   
  
  Hi All, 
  
  
  Here is Miranda's response to my 
  letter!! Im thinking about mine... Cant really swear at her can 
  I?
  
   
  
  Dear Diane:As you know Prof Tracey is not an 
  impartial observer and I am not the only person who does not consider her 
  research to be "proof" of anything except the perfectly obvious 
  proposition that you get better outcomes from low-risk births.RE a) No 
  one is talking about rushing to RNS, just not duplicating resources at 
  Gosford and Wyong.Ideally every woman would have a natural delivery with 
  midwives but when things go wrong or she is desperate for pain relief, she 
  and her child are entitled to the very best medical intervention 
  possible.I want women and their babies to have that choice, and I don't 
  like to see the state giovernment get off the hook on their responsibiliy 
  to provide that care, as happened with Camden.I have written on this topic for 
  ten years. I have done my research. I have approached the issue as an 
  independent observer, concerned primarily for the health of mother and 
  baby and less concerned about whether or not the mother has a fulfilling 
  experience in childbirth or whether the supposedly patriarchal medical 
  establishment has too much power.Miranda DevineThe Sydney 
  Morning Herald &The Sun-Herald201 Sussex StreetSydney 22 
  9282-1102

Re: [ozmidwifery] the "Devine" Response!

[Emily]

hmm

..' concerned primarily for the health of mother and
baby and less concerned about whether or not the
mother 
has a fulfilling experience in childbirth..'

she seems to think psychology is not a part of health
and that the woman's experience of her birth has no
impact on her health  why not let her know the
links with post natal depression etc 
or maybe its a lost cause :(


--- diane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi All, 
> Here is Miranda's response to my letter!! Im
> thinking about mine... Cant really swear at her
> can I?
> 
> Dear Diane:
> As you know Prof Tracey is not an impartial observer
> and I am not the only 
> person who does not consider her research to be
> "proof" of anything except 
> the perfectly obvious proposition that you get
> better outcomes from low-risk 
> births.
> RE a) No one is talking about rushing to RNS, just
> not duplicating resources 
> at Gosford and Wyong.
> Ideally every woman would have a natural delivery
> with midwives but when 
> things go wrong or she is desperate for pain relief,
> she and her child are 
> entitled to the very best medical intervention
> possible.
> I want women and their babies to have that choice,
> and I don't like to see 
> the state giovernment get off the hook on their
> responsibiliy to provide 
> that care, as happened with Camden.
> I have written on this topic for ten years. I have
> done my research. I have 
> approached the issue as an independent observer,
> concerned primarily for the 
> health of mother and baby and less concerned about
> whether or not the mother 
> has a fulfilling experience in childbirth or whether
> the supposedly 
> patriarchal medical establishment has too much
> power.
> 
> 
> Miranda Devine
> The Sydney Morning Herald &
> The Sun-Herald
> 201 Sussex Street
> Sydney 2000
> 02 9282-1102
> 


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RE: [ozmidwifery] the "Devine" Response!

[Emily]

oops sorry i hadnt read the other responses when i
wrote mine. we all said the same thing :)

--- Vedrana Valèiæ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> "concerned primarily for the 
> health of mother and baby and less concerned about
> whether or not the mother 
> has a fulfilling experience in childbirth"
> 
>  
> 
> Yeah. If baby is alive, and mommy is alive, what
> else in the world could they want? Nothing else
> matters. Talk about holistic care. Just forget what
> you wanted, all that matters is that you and your
> child are alive. You'll forget about the rest the
> minute your child is born.
> 
>  
> 
> Heard all those things (I don't want to be rude and
> use another word) before.
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of diane
> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 7:21 AM
> To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
> Subject: [ozmidwifery] the "Devine" Response!
> 
>  
> 
> Hi All, 
> 
> Here is Miranda's response to my letter!! Im
> thinking about mine... Cant really swear at her
> can I?
> 
>  
> 
> Dear Diane:
> As you know Prof Tracey is not an impartial observer
> and I am not the only 
> person who does not consider her research to be
> "proof" of anything except 
> the perfectly obvious proposition that you get
> better outcomes from low-risk 
> births.
> RE a) No one is talking about rushing to RNS, just
> not duplicating resources 
> at Gosford and Wyong.
> Ideally every woman would have a natural delivery
> with midwives but when 
> things go wrong or she is desperate for pain relief,
> she and her child are 
> entitled to the very best medical intervention
> possible.
> I want women and their babies to have that choice,
> and I don't like to see 
> the state giovernment get off the hook on their
> responsibiliy to provide 
> that care, as happened with Camden.
> I have written on this topic for ten years. I have
> done my research. I have 
> approached the issue as an independent observer,
> concerned primarily for the 
> health of mother and baby and less concerned about
> whether or not the mother 
> has a fulfilling experience in childbirth or whether
> the supposedly 
> patriarchal medical establishment has too much
> power.
> 
> 
> Miranda Devine
> The Sydney Morning Herald &
> The Sun-Herald
> 201 Sussex Street
> Sydney 2000
> 02 9282-1102
> 
> 


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