Re: [ozmidwifery] introduction and VBAC question

[Lisa Barrett]

Hi there,
Mary Cronk has a really good outline for looking 
after VBAC's.  It includes getting the women to be really familiar with the 
scar and tissue and how it feels to touch. (it's amazing how few women go 
there!)
The other interesting thing is the pulse.  If 
you do antenatal pulse during the last few weeks of pregnancy it gives a good 
base line.  Often in labour way before signs of pain or distress to the 
baby there is an abnormal ( taking into account normal changes due to labour) 
change that can be picked up early in the piece.  You can go to the Radical 
Midwives web site, I think lots of her stuff is written up there.  There is 
also a link on the UKmid yahoo site.
Lisa Barrett

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Pernille 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 9:32 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] introduction and 
  VBAC question
  
  Hi
  My name is 
  Pernille. I have been lurking for a few days now and thought I would introduce 
  myself. I am a doula and childbirth educator on the sunshine coast, but have 
  only just finished my studies. Yeah, so still pretty new in the field but love 
  every minute of it. 
   
  I have a question 
  about VBAC birthing. It seems that in hospital they want to do continues 
  monitoring of the scar and babies heart beat with the belt and have needle in 
  the arm just in case, as soon as women come in the door to give birth. But is 
  this nessecery and is there any other way to safely monitor the woman without 
  her being so resticted? Now I know there are lots of homebirth VBAC these 
  days, and surely they must have other things they do...other signs they look 
  for or just intermitted monitoring?
   
  Cheers from 
  pernille
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Re: [ozmidwifery] introduction and VBAC question

[Wendy Thornton]

Philippa Scott wrote:


Hi and welcome,

 


www.cares-sa.org.au 

www.birthrites.org 

 

These are both excellent places to find terrific information on all 
things VBAC.


 


Yes there are alternatives.

Cheers

 


Philippa Scott
Birth Buddies - Doula
Assisting women and their families in the preparation towards 
childbirth and labour.

President of Friends of the Birth Centre Townsville

 

* From: * owner- ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner- 
ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au ] *On Behalf Of *Pernille

*Sent:* Tuesday, 17 October 2006 10:02 PM
*To:* ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
*Subject:* [ozmidwifery] introduction and VBAC question

 


Hi

My name is Pernille. I have been lurking for a few days now and 
thought I would introduce myself. I am a doula and childbirth educator 
on the sunshine coast, but have only just finished my studies. Yeah, 
so still pretty new in the field but love every minute of it.


 

I have a question about VBAC birthing. It seems that in hospital they 
want to do continues monitoring of the scar and babies heart beat with 
the belt and have needle in the arm just in case, as soon as women 
come in the door to give birth. But is this nessecery and is there any 
other way to safely monitor the woman without her being so resticted? 
Now I know there are lots of homebirth VBAC these days, and surely 
they must have other things they do...other signs they look for or 
just intermitted monitoring?


 


Cheers from pernille


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Hi Pernille, there is definately an increase in women choosing to birth 
at home after previous c/section.To date the woman that i have 
homebirthed with have ALL had wonderful vbacs. I believe its so much to 
do with a close, trusting relationship.We work together in the last 
months so that both mum , baby and family are as prepared as possible 
for the birth journey.The focus is on fetal positioning , strong body 
and mind and realistic expectations of what we women do in birth! They 
know that they will be totally supported and safe at home.There are no 
time limits and no interference in the normal process. Yes i listen 
regularly with doppler or pinnards, and i use all my other senses as 
well.And i listen intently to the woman...If she spoke of unusual pain 
or tells me she does not feel ok- then we explore and check.But i take 
no fears to birth as i believe a healthy strong baby and a healthy woman 
means a safe birth.Scientific research backs me up on this. We know 
there is less than 1% chance of scar rupture- far less risk than 
procedures like amniocentesis!As a respected obst said to a woman 
recently - she had less than 1: 4000 chance of uterine rupture and faced 
far greater risks having a repeat LSCS. Why then are VBACs so rare in 
hospitals? Cheers Wendy.

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RE: [ozmidwifery] introduction and VBAC question

[Philippa Scott]

Hi and welcome,

 

www.cares-sa.org.au

www.birthrites.org

 

These are both excellent places to find
terrific information on all things VBAC.

 

Yes there are alternatives.

Cheers

 



Philippa Scott
Birth Buddies - Doula
Assisting women and their families in the preparation towards childbirth and
labour.
President of Friends of the Birth Centre Townsville



 









From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Pernille
Sent: Tuesday, 17 October 2006
10:02 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: [ozmidwifery]
introduction and VBAC question



 



Hi





My name is Pernille. I have been lurking for a few days now
and thought I would introduce myself. I am a doula and childbirth educator on
the sunshine coast, but have only just finished my studies. Yeah, so still
pretty new in the field but love every minute of it. 





 





I have a question about VBAC birthing. It seems that in
hospital they want to do continues monitoring of the scar and babies heart beat
with the belt and have needle in the arm just in case, as soon as women come in
the door to give birth. But is this nessecery and is there any other way to
safely monitor the woman without her being so resticted? Now I know there are
lots of homebirth VBAC these days, and surely they must have other things they
do...other signs they look for or just intermitted monitoring?





 





Cheers from pernille










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Re: [ozmidwifery] introduction

[Tanya drumm]

Hi Jayne
Thanks for your welcome.  In answer to your question, we do need to attend 
the Uni, for intensive workshops (usually between 3 - 5 days) a couple of 
times a year (although I don't know exactly as we havn't been to one yet as 
the externals don't start midwifery based subjects until next year).
Tanya

From: "jayne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] introduction
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 15:30:46 +1000
Hi Tanya,
Welcome and good luck with your follow thrus.
re your external studying of the BMid at SA, are you required to attend the
uni at all or can you do the whole course externally?
Jayne
- Original Message -
From: "Tanya drumm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 10:08 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] introduction
> Hi everyone,
>
> I have been a member of this list for a few weeks and though I should
> introduce myself to you all.  My name is Tanya Drumm and I live in 
Hobart,
> Tas.  I am currently a 1st year external Bachelor of Midwifery student
with
> Uni of SA, married with 2 beautiful children and have just started my 
two
> follow thrus with a lovely lady who is in her early stages of pregnancy 
(I
> must say I am a little nervous about how I will be treated/accepted).
>
> I am a little worried about how I will be accepted when doing pracs and
> follow thrus in Hobart (as well as finding 30 ladies who want me to be
part
> of their journey) as I have heard from quite a few people that I am 
doing
> the wrong thing (by doing BMid instead of BNursing then Midwifery), but 
am
> prepared to fight my case if I need too.  I am really enjoying being a
part
> of this list and would gladly appreciate any advice any of you can 
offer.
>
> Thanks again for letting me be a part of this list.
> Tanya
>
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Re: [ozmidwifery] introduction

[Honey Acharya]

Thankyou Tania

I am very interested in this as an option as I feel If I decided to become a
midwfie BMID would be my preferred option. Thanks for Sharing.

- Original Message - 
From: "Tania & Laurie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] introduction


> Honey,
> I'm a 3rd BMid (yes, direct entry) student at UniSA. On the whole, our
> placements at various venues have been positive and encouraging, with the
> odd ear bashing about 'why don't you do your RN, then do your mid'. My
> feeling is that the negativity aimed at students is mainly due to change.
I
> believe it was the same when tertiary education replaced hospital based
> training. Have heard the occassional comment about direct entry students
not
> being able to work from a 'broad enough knowledge base'! It is my
> understanding that after 3 years of study with midwifery as the focus, we
> have as much knowledge as RN's who choose to do their mid. I don't want to
> get into a debate about which is the right path to choose and I don't mean
> to offend anybody, each of us have our different reasons for the road we
> travel, but the fact is BMidders are here to stay! Personally, I am
> passionate about working with women and assisting them to achieve a
> positive, empowering birth experience. The BMid works within a woman
> centred, wellness model and promotes pregnancy as a normal, social, life
> cycle experience - as is change.
>
> Cheers
> Tania
> - Original Message ----- 
> From: "Honey Acharya" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 2:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] introduction
>
>
> > "I have heard from quite a few people that I am doing
> > > the wrong thing (by doing BMid instead of BNursing then Midwifery), "
> > Tanya I'm not a midwife so I  can't offer any suggestions but I am
curious
> > about the difference between the two different methods of study to
> becoming
> > a qualified midwife. I am assuming Bachelor of Midwifery is what some
> people
> > refer to as Direct Entry. Can you tell me a little more about the
reasons
> > why some people think you've chosen the wrong path to midwifery?
> > Thanks
> > Honey
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Tanya drumm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 10:08 AM
> > Subject: [ozmidwifery] introduction
> >
> >
> > > Hi everyone,
> > >
> > > I have been a member of this list for a few weeks and though I should
> > > introduce myself to you all.  My name is Tanya Drumm and I live in
> Hobart,
> > > Tas.  I am currently a 1st year external Bachelor of Midwifery student
> > with
> > > Uni of SA, married with 2 beautiful children and have just started my
> two
> > > follow thrus with a lovely lady who is in her early stages of
pregnancy
> (I
> > > must say I am a little nervous about how I will be treated/accepted).
> > >
> > > I am a little worried about how I will be accepted when doing pracs
and
> > > follow thrus in Hobart (as well as finding 30 ladies who want me to be
> > part
> > > of their journey) as I have heard from quite a few people that I am
> doing
> > > the wrong thing (by doing BMid instead of BNursing then Midwifery),
but
> am
> > > prepared to fight my case if I need too.  I am really enjoying being a
> > part
> > > of this list and would gladly appreciate any advice any of you can
> offer.
> > >
> > > Thanks again for letting me be a part of this list.
> > > Tanya
> > >
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RE: [ozmidwifery] introduction

[Carol Van Lochem]

Hello Tanya,
welcome to the list
Carol
>From: "Tanya drumm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Subject: [ozmidwifery] introduction 
>Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 10:08:11 +1000 
> 
>Hi everyone, 
> 
>I have been a member of this list for a few weeks and though I 
>should introduce myself to you all.  My name is Tanya Drumm and I 
>live in Hobart, Tas.  I am currently a 1st year external Bachelor of 
>Midwifery student with Uni of SA, married with 2 beautiful children 
>and have just started my two follow thrus with a lovely lady who is 
>in her early stages of pregnancy (I must say I am a little nervous 
>about how I will be treated/accepted). 
> 
>I am a little worried about how I will be accepted when doing pracs 
>and follow thrus in Hobart (as well as finding 30 ladies who want me 
>to be part of their journey) as I have heard from quite a few people 
>that I am doing the wrong thing (by doing BMid instead of BNursing 
>then Midwifery), but am prepared to fight my case if I need too.  I 
>am really enjoying being a part of this list and would gladly 
>appreciate any advice any of you can offer. 
> 
>Thanks again for letting me be a part of this list. 
>Tanya 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] introduction

[Kathy McCarthy-Bushby]

Hi Trish,
I'm out here in cyberland basically enjoying the ozmid chats and
occasionally participating when the mood strikes me. I remain at the Alex in
the KYM scheme in Hobart. Tanya feel free to contact me offline if you wish.
Trish's idea of joining ACMI is a wonderful way to meet some of Tasmania's
wonderful commited midwives who are striving for change and to set yourself
up a midwifery support system within the state. Plus our wonderful Terry
Stockdale has always been supportive of midwifery students.
Cheers
Kathy
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From: "Trish David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] introduction


Dear Kirsten and Tanya, I was part of the team who developed BMid from its
inception in Victoria, when Tasmania wanted to be part of it. In the very
beginning I was in Tasmania and at that time University of Tas looked like
it would continue as part of the consortium of universities in Victoria that
offer BMid. Sadly, they pulled out when I left and came to Monash, citing
lack of industry support, however they continued with developing and
implementing Grad Dip Mid which is still going down there.

I would advise all students of all pathways to midwifery to join ACMI and to
make contact with sympathetic midwives. In Hobart I am sure Terry Stockdale
will be supportive, but there are others as well in the birth centre and KYM
teams down there. Kathy McCarthy-Bushby are you out there somewhere? ACMI
will help with contacts, too. Good luck, Tanya. Kirsten, nice to hear your
experiences are positive, part of the reason for that of course is down to
how well YOU present yourself and your willingness to listen.

Good luck to all midwifery students on this list for end of year exams
Trish

Kirsten Wohlt wrote:

> Hi Tanya!  I'm Kirsten, and I am a first year Bachelor of Midwifery
student too.  I am at Monash University in Victoria.  I have about 9 follow
throughs so far, 3 who have recently had their babies and 1 due any day now,
and have so  far found it to be an amazing experience.  Even though I am
explicit with these women in that I am unable and unqualified to give them
any advice, just having me there at their doctors visits and ringing them up
seems to make them so comfortable - maybe not happy exactly, but something
akin to it.  They ask my opinion (which it is very difficult not to give,
but so far so good!), and want to tell me what is happening to them and
their bodies, without me even having to ask much.  I think all pregnant
women have a kind of feeling that they are the first in the world to have a
baby - I know I felt that way!  :)  It is a unique experience, and you can't
help feeling a peculiar pride and sense that something miraculous is going
on for you, that surely hasn't REALLY been experienced by anyone else.  So
to have someone like you or me showing care and excitement for them and
their journey just seems to reinforce to the follow through woman that she
really is special and important, and makes them want to open up and share
things and bring you into their life.  That is so inarticulate, but I am
quite happy thinking about it, so my thoughts are getting jumbled!! :)
>
> The doctors that I have seen with my follow throughs have been really kind
and supportive, and insist on helping me to palpate abdomens and listen to
the baby's heart either with their stethoscopes or with the doppler.  They
explain everything they do really nicely and seem keen to involve me.  Maybe
I've just been lucky.
>
> Midwives in the hospitals have also been very positive and proactive in
explaining what they are doing and why.  While I can't actually be involved
in assisting anyone in the birth beyond being there and bringing ice (!!),
the midwives have been keen to show me the placenta or explain how to feel
for contractions, bits and pieces like that which are all so important.
>
> Our 2nd years who are out in the clinical environment now also report
being really well accepted by the teams of midwives they are working with -
no negative feedback at all, which I was worried about too.
>
> I think we have made a good decision to do this course Tanya.  At a time
where midwives are in demand, a demand which will hopefully increase if
midwifery led care does get the support and promotion it deserves, I think
we will be really well placed to make a positive contribution to many
families.  Especially with the support and unofficial mentoring of groups
like this one.  Can't listen to them enough :)
>
> Sorry that was such a long spiel!! Enjoy, enjoy!
>
> Kirsten
>
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Re: [ozmidwifery] introduction

[Tanya drumm]

Thanks Kirsten, Its great to be here, and thanks for the words of 
encouragement everyone, just what I needed (I know I am doing the right 
thing).  Tanya


From: "Callum & Kirsten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] introduction
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:54:18 +0930
Hi Tanya,
Nice to see you on here!
Kirsten
~~~start life with a midwife~~~
- Original Message - From: "Tanya drumm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:38 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] introduction

Hi everyone,
I have been a member of this list for a few weeks and though I should 
introduce myself to you all.  My name is Tanya Drumm and I live in Hobart, 
Tas.  I am currently a 1st year external Bachelor of Midwifery student 
with Uni of SA, married with 2 beautiful children and have just started my 
two follow thrus with a lovely lady who is in her early stages of 
pregnancy (I must say I am a little nervous about how I will be 
treated/accepted).

I am a little worried about how I will be accepted when doing pracs and 
follow thrus in Hobart (as well as finding 30 ladies who want me to be 
part of their journey) as I have heard from quite a few people that I am 
doing the wrong thing (by doing BMid instead of BNursing then Midwifery), 
but am prepared to fight my case if I need too.  I am really enjoying 
being a part of this list and would gladly appreciate any advice any of 
you can offer.

Thanks again for letting me be a part of this list.
Tanya
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Re: [ozmidwifery] introduction

[Tania & Laurie]

Honey,
I'm a 3rd BMid (yes, direct entry) student at UniSA. On the whole, our
placements at various venues have been positive and encouraging, with the
odd ear bashing about 'why don't you do your RN, then do your mid'. My
feeling is that the negativity aimed at students is mainly due to change. I
believe it was the same when tertiary education replaced hospital based
training. Have heard the occassional comment about direct entry students not
being able to work from a 'broad enough knowledge base'! It is my
understanding that after 3 years of study with midwifery as the focus, we
have as much knowledge as RN's who choose to do their mid. I don't want to
get into a debate about which is the right path to choose and I don't mean
to offend anybody, each of us have our different reasons for the road we
travel, but the fact is BMidders are here to stay! Personally, I am
passionate about working with women and assisting them to achieve a
positive, empowering birth experience. The BMid works within a woman
centred, wellness model and promotes pregnancy as a normal, social, life
cycle experience - as is change.

Cheers
Tania
- Original Message - 
From: "Honey Acharya" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] introduction


> "I have heard from quite a few people that I am doing
> > the wrong thing (by doing BMid instead of BNursing then Midwifery), "
> Tanya I'm not a midwife so I  can't offer any suggestions but I am curious
> about the difference between the two different methods of study to
becoming
> a qualified midwife. I am assuming Bachelor of Midwifery is what some
people
> refer to as Direct Entry. Can you tell me a little more about the reasons
> why some people think you've chosen the wrong path to midwifery?
> Thanks
> Honey
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Tanya drumm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 10:08 AM
> Subject: [ozmidwifery] introduction
>
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I have been a member of this list for a few weeks and though I should
> > introduce myself to you all.  My name is Tanya Drumm and I live in
Hobart,
> > Tas.  I am currently a 1st year external Bachelor of Midwifery student
> with
> > Uni of SA, married with 2 beautiful children and have just started my
two
> > follow thrus with a lovely lady who is in her early stages of pregnancy
(I
> > must say I am a little nervous about how I will be treated/accepted).
> >
> > I am a little worried about how I will be accepted when doing pracs and
> > follow thrus in Hobart (as well as finding 30 ladies who want me to be
> part
> > of their journey) as I have heard from quite a few people that I am
doing
> > the wrong thing (by doing BMid instead of BNursing then Midwifery), but
am
> > prepared to fight my case if I need too.  I am really enjoying being a
> part
> > of this list and would gladly appreciate any advice any of you can
offer.
> >
> > Thanks again for letting me be a part of this list.
> > Tanya
> >
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Re: [ozmidwifery] introduction

[Trish David]

Dear Kirsten and Tanya, I was part of the team who developed BMid from its inception 
in Victoria, when Tasmania wanted to be part of it. In the very beginning I was in 
Tasmania and at that time University of Tas looked like it would continue as part of 
the consortium of universities in Victoria that offer BMid. Sadly, they pulled out 
when I left and came to Monash, citing lack of industry support, however they 
continued with developing and implementing Grad Dip Mid which is still going down 
there.

I would advise all students of all pathways to midwifery to join ACMI and to make 
contact with sympathetic midwives. In Hobart I am sure Terry Stockdale will be 
supportive, but there are others as well in the birth centre and KYM teams down there. 
Kathy McCarthy-Bushby are you out there somewhere? ACMI will help with contacts, too. 
Good luck, Tanya. Kirsten, nice to hear your experiences are positive, part of the 
reason for that of course is down to how well YOU present yourself and your 
willingness to listen.

Good luck to all midwifery students on this list for end of year exams Trish

Kirsten Wohlt wrote:

> Hi Tanya!  I'm Kirsten, and I am a first year Bachelor of Midwifery student too.  I 
> am at Monash University in Victoria.  I have about 9 follow throughs so far, 3 who 
> have recently had their babies and 1 due any day now, and have so  far found it to 
> be an amazing experience.  Even though I am explicit with these women in that I am 
> unable and unqualified to give them any advice, just having me there at their 
> doctors visits and ringing them up seems to make them so comfortable - maybe not 
> happy exactly, but something akin to it.  They ask my opinion (which it is very 
> difficult not to give, but so far so good!), and want to tell me what is happening 
> to them and their bodies, without me even having to ask much.  I think all pregnant 
> women have a kind of feeling that they are the first in the world to have a baby - I 
> know I felt that way!  :)  It is a unique experience, and you can't help feeling a 
> peculiar pride and sense that something miraculous is going on for you, that surely 
> hasn't REALLY been experienced by anyone else.  So to have someone like you or me 
> showing care and excitement for them and their journey just seems to reinforce to 
> the follow through woman that she really is special and important, and makes them 
> want to open up and share things and bring you into their life.  That is so 
> inarticulate, but I am quite happy thinking about it, so my thoughts are getting 
> jumbled!! :)
>
> The doctors that I have seen with my follow throughs have been really kind and 
> supportive, and insist on helping me to palpate abdomens and listen to the baby's 
> heart either with their stethoscopes or with the doppler.  They explain everything 
> they do really nicely and seem keen to involve me.  Maybe I've just been lucky.
>
> Midwives in the hospitals have also been very positive and proactive in explaining 
> what they are doing and why.  While I can't actually be involved in assisting anyone 
> in the birth beyond being there and bringing ice (!!), the midwives have been keen 
> to show me the placenta or explain how to feel for contractions, bits and pieces 
> like that which are all so important.
>
> Our 2nd years who are out in the clinical environment now also report being really 
> well accepted by the teams of midwives they are working with - no negative feedback 
> at all, which I was worried about too.
>
> I think we have made a good decision to do this course Tanya.  At a time where 
> midwives are in demand, a demand which will hopefully increase if midwifery led care 
> does get the support and promotion it deserves, I think we will be really well 
> placed to make a positive contribution to many families.  Especially with the 
> support and unofficial mentoring of groups like this one.  Can't listen to them 
> enough :)
>
> Sorry that was such a long spiel!! Enjoy, enjoy!
>
> Kirsten
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[Ceri & Katrina]

Hi Tanya
hang in there! I am in my first year as a studnet midwife also, but I 
do the B of Nursing first, only because when I wanted to do it, this 
was the only way. So here I am finally fulfulling my dream. Personally, 
I can not see the big deal, ultimately whatever way we choose to become 
a midwife means just that, we will still be wonderful, supportive and 
passionate midwives. This does not change due to our training method. 
Good Luck with it!

Katrina :-)
Hi everyone,
I have been a member of this list for a few weeks and though I should
introduce myself to you all.  My name is Tanya Drumm and I live in 
Hobart,
Tas.  I am currently a 1st year external Bachelor of Midwifery student
with
Uni of SA, married with 2 beautiful children and have just started my 
two
follow thrus with a lovely lady who is in her early stages of 
pregnancy (I
must say I am a little nervous about how I will be treated/accepted).

I am a little worried about how I will be accepted when doing pracs 
and
follow thrus in Hobart (as well as finding 30 ladies who want me to be
part
of their journey) as I have heard from quite a few people that I am 
doing
the wrong thing (by doing BMid instead of BNursing then Midwifery), 
but am
prepared to fight my case if I need too.  I am really enjoying being a
part
of this list and would gladly appreciate any advice any of you can 
offer.

Thanks again for letting me be a part of this list.
Tanya
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Re: [ozmidwifery] introduction

[jayne]

Hi Tanya,

Welcome and good luck with your follow thrus.

re your external studying of the BMid at SA, are you required to attend the
uni at all or can you do the whole course externally?

Jayne


- Original Message - 
From: "Tanya drumm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 10:08 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] introduction


> Hi everyone,
>
> I have been a member of this list for a few weeks and though I should
> introduce myself to you all.  My name is Tanya Drumm and I live in Hobart,
> Tas.  I am currently a 1st year external Bachelor of Midwifery student
with
> Uni of SA, married with 2 beautiful children and have just started my two
> follow thrus with a lovely lady who is in her early stages of pregnancy (I
> must say I am a little nervous about how I will be treated/accepted).
>
> I am a little worried about how I will be accepted when doing pracs and
> follow thrus in Hobart (as well as finding 30 ladies who want me to be
part
> of their journey) as I have heard from quite a few people that I am doing
> the wrong thing (by doing BMid instead of BNursing then Midwifery), but am
> prepared to fight my case if I need too.  I am really enjoying being a
part
> of this list and would gladly appreciate any advice any of you can offer.
>
> Thanks again for letting me be a part of this list.
> Tanya
>
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Re: [ozmidwifery] introduction

[Honey Acharya]

"I have heard from quite a few people that I am doing
> the wrong thing (by doing BMid instead of BNursing then Midwifery), "
Tanya I'm not a midwife so I  can't offer any suggestions but I am curious
about the difference between the two different methods of study to becoming
a qualified midwife. I am assuming Bachelor of Midwifery is what some people
refer to as Direct Entry. Can you tell me a little more about the reasons
why some people think you've chosen the wrong path to midwifery?
Thanks
Honey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

- Original Message - 
From: "Tanya drumm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 10:08 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] introduction


> Hi everyone,
>
> I have been a member of this list for a few weeks and though I should
> introduce myself to you all.  My name is Tanya Drumm and I live in Hobart,
> Tas.  I am currently a 1st year external Bachelor of Midwifery student
with
> Uni of SA, married with 2 beautiful children and have just started my two
> follow thrus with a lovely lady who is in her early stages of pregnancy (I
> must say I am a little nervous about how I will be treated/accepted).
>
> I am a little worried about how I will be accepted when doing pracs and
> follow thrus in Hobart (as well as finding 30 ladies who want me to be
part
> of their journey) as I have heard from quite a few people that I am doing
> the wrong thing (by doing BMid instead of BNursing then Midwifery), but am
> prepared to fight my case if I need too.  I am really enjoying being a
part
> of this list and would gladly appreciate any advice any of you can offer.
>
> Thanks again for letting me be a part of this list.
> Tanya
>
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RE: [ozmidwifery] introduction

[Sharon Dalton]

Hi Kirsten and Tanya (BMid students)The future of midwifery is looking
good with students as enthusiastic as yourselves. Best wishes Sharon

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kirsten Wohlt
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 10:58 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] introduction

Hi Tanya!  I'm Kirsten, and I am a first year Bachelor of Midwifery
student too.  I am at Monash University in Victoria.  I have about 9
follow throughs so far, 3 who have recently had their babies and 1 due
any day now, and have so  far found it to be an amazing experience.
Even though I am explicit with these women in that I am unable and
unqualified to give them any advice, just having me there at their
doctors visits and ringing them up seems to make them so comfortable -
maybe not happy exactly, but something akin to it.  They ask my opinion
(which it is very difficult not to give, but so far so good!), and want
to tell me what is happening to them and their bodies, without me even
having to ask much.  I think all pregnant women have a kind of feeling
that they are the first in the world to have a baby - I know I felt that
way!  :)  It is a unique experience, and you can't help feeling a
peculiar pride and sense that something miraculous is going on for you,
that surely hasn't REALLY been experienced by anyone else.  So to have
someone like you or me showing care and excitement for them and their
journey just seems to reinforce to the follow through woman that she
really is special and important, and makes them want to open up and
share things and bring you into their life.  That is so inarticulate,
but I am quite happy thinking about it, so my thoughts are getting
jumbled!! :)



The doctors that I have seen with my follow throughs have been really
kind and supportive, and insist on helping me to palpate abdomens and
listen to the baby's heart either with their stethoscopes or with the
doppler.  They explain everything they do really nicely and seem keen to
involve me.  Maybe I've just been lucky.



Midwives in the hospitals have also been very positive and proactive in
explaining what they are doing and why.  While I can't actually be
involved in assisting anyone in the birth beyond being there and
bringing ice (!!), the midwives have been keen to show me the placenta
or explain how to feel for contractions, bits and pieces like that which
are all so important.



Our 2nd years who are out in the clinical environment now also report
being really well accepted by the teams of midwives they are working
with - no negative feedback at all, which I was worried about too.



I think we have made a good decision to do this course Tanya.  At a time
where midwives are in demand, a demand which will hopefully increase if
midwifery led care does get the support and promotion it deserves, I
think we will be really well placed to make a positive contribution to
many families.  Especially with the support and unofficial mentoring of
groups like this one.  Can't listen to them enough :)



Sorry that was such a long spiel!! Enjoy, enjoy!



Kirsten




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Re: [ozmidwifery] introduction

[Ann Grieve]

Dear Tanya
You are definitely doing the right thing. Hang in there!
Ann Grieve

Tanya drumm wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I have been a member of this list for a few weeks and though I should
> introduce myself to you all.  My name is Tanya Drumm and I live in Hobart,
> Tas.  I am currently a 1st year external Bachelor of Midwifery student with
> Uni of SA, married with 2 beautiful children and have just started my two
> follow thrus with a lovely lady who is in her early stages of pregnancy (I
> must say I am a little nervous about how I will be treated/accepted).
>
> I am a little worried about how I will be accepted when doing pracs and
> follow thrus in Hobart (as well as finding 30 ladies who want me to be part
> of their journey) as I have heard from quite a few people that I am doing
> the wrong thing (by doing BMid instead of BNursing then Midwifery), but am
> prepared to fight my case if I need too.  I am really enjoying being a part
> of this list and would gladly appreciate any advice any of you can offer.
>
> Thanks again for letting me be a part of this list.
> Tanya
>
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[Kirsten Wohlt]

Hi Tanya!  I'm Kirsten, and I am a first year Bachelor of Midwifery student too.  I am 
at Monash University in Victoria.  I have about 9 follow throughs so far, 3 who have 
recently had their babies and 1 due any day now, and have so  far found it to be an 
amazing experience.  Even though I am explicit with these women in that I am unable 
and unqualified to give them any advice, just having me there at their doctors visits 
and ringing them up seems to make them so comfortable - maybe not happy exactly, but 
something akin to it.  They ask my opinion (which it is very difficult not to give, 
but so far so good!), and want to tell me what is happening to them and their bodies, 
without me even having to ask much.  I think all pregnant women have a kind of feeling 
that they are the first in the world to have a baby - I know I felt that way!  :)  It 
is a unique experience, and you can't help feeling a peculiar pride and sense that 
something miraculous is going on for you, that surely hasn't REALLY been experienced 
by anyone else.  So to have someone like you or me showing care and excitement for 
them and their journey just seems to reinforce to the follow through woman that she 
really is special and important, and makes them want to open up and share things and 
bring you into their life.  That is so inarticulate, but I am quite happy thinking 
about it, so my thoughts are getting jumbled!! :)

The doctors that I have seen with my follow throughs have been really kind and 
supportive, and insist on helping me to palpate abdomens and listen to the baby's 
heart either with their stethoscopes or with the doppler.  They explain everything 
they do really nicely and seem keen to involve me.  Maybe I've just been lucky.

Midwives in the hospitals have also been very positive and proactive in explaining 
what they are doing and why.  While I can't actually be involved in assisting anyone 
in the birth beyond being there and bringing ice (!!), the midwives have been keen to 
show me the placenta or explain how to feel for contractions, bits and pieces like 
that which are all so important.

Our 2nd years who are out in the clinical environment now also report being really 
well accepted by the teams of midwives they are working with - no negative feedback at 
all, which I was worried about too.

I think we have made a good decision to do this course Tanya.  At a time where 
midwives are in demand, a demand which will hopefully increase if midwifery led care 
does get the support and promotion it deserves, I think we will be really well placed 
to make a positive contribution to many families.  Especially with the support and 
unofficial mentoring of groups like this one.  Can't listen to them enough :)

Sorry that was such a long spiel!! Enjoy, enjoy!

Kirsten


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[Callum & Kirsten]

Hi Tanya,
Nice to see you on here!
Kirsten
~~~start life with a midwife~~~
- Original Message - 
From: "Tanya drumm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:38 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] introduction


Hi everyone,
I have been a member of this list for a few weeks and though I should 
introduce myself to you all.  My name is Tanya Drumm and I live in Hobart, 
Tas.  I am currently a 1st year external Bachelor of Midwifery student 
with Uni of SA, married with 2 beautiful children and have just started my 
two follow thrus with a lovely lady who is in her early stages of 
pregnancy (I must say I am a little nervous about how I will be 
treated/accepted).

I am a little worried about how I will be accepted when doing pracs and 
follow thrus in Hobart (as well as finding 30 ladies who want me to be 
part of their journey) as I have heard from quite a few people that I am 
doing the wrong thing (by doing BMid instead of BNursing then Midwifery), 
but am prepared to fight my case if I need too.  I am really enjoying 
being a part of this list and would gladly appreciate any advice any of 
you can offer.

Thanks again for letting me be a part of this list.
Tanya
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