RE: [ozmidwifery] DEM's

[priddis6]

 Thanks for the replies, hope you have room for one more, can't wait to get 
back to beautiful qld. 

Holly :)


 Lindsay Kennedy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> Yes we have a level 3 who is a DEM in Townsville and another who is a level
> 
2. (or was).
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lindsay
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michelle Windsor
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Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] DEM's
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Yes we have a New Zealand DEM working both in the Birth Centre and the
> 
hospital at Mackay (Qld).  Have also heard there is a DEM in a Level 3
> 
position in Townsville.
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Cheers,
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Michelle
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Thanks Cas. Great to hear : ) Anyone know of any others in QLD so far?
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Holly
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> 
 carole wrote: 
> 
> In Qld at Caboolture Hosp we currently have one overseas trained DEM. 
> 
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> 
Started earlier this year to fulfill endorsement requirements (not sure 
> 
> 
> 
why/what they were,maybe as she has only just completed her DEM in 
> 
> 
> 
europe), anyway, she's fitted in great and is a part of our team. Have 
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fun. Cas 
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RE: [ozmidwifery] DEM's

[Lindsay Kennedy]

Yes we have a level 3 who is a DEM in
Townsville and another who is a level 2. (or was).

lindsay

 









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To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
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Yes we have a New Zealand DEM working both in the Birth Centre and the
hospital at Mackay (Qld).  Have also heard there is a DEM in a Level 3
position in Townsville.





 





Cheers,





Michelle

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Thanks Cas. Great to hear : ) Anyone know of any others in QLD so far?

Holly


 carole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: 
> In Qld at Caboolture Hosp we currently have one overseas trained DEM. 
> 
Started earlier this year to fulfill endorsement requirements (not sure 
> 
why/what they were,maybe as she has only just completed her DEM in 
> 
europe), anyway, she's fitted in great and is
a part of our team. Have 
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fun. Cas 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] DEM's

[Michelle Windsor]

Yes we have a New Zealand DEM working both in the Birth Centre and the hospital at Mackay (Qld).  Have also heard there is a DEM in a Level 3 position in Townsville.
 
Cheers,
Michelle[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks Cas. Great to hear : ) Anyone know of any others in QLD so far?Holly carole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > In Qld at Caboolture Hosp we currently have one overseas trained DEM. > Started earlier this year to fulfill endorsement requirements (not sure > why/what they were,maybe as she has only just completed her DEM in > europe), anyway, she's fitted in great and is a part of our team. Have > fun. Cas > > --> This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.> Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.> --This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yaho!
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Re: [ozmidwifery] DEM's

[priddis6]

Thanks Cas. Great to hear  : ) Anyone know of any others in QLD so far?

Holly


 carole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> In Qld at Caboolture Hosp we currently have one overseas trained DEM. 
> 
Started earlier this year to fulfill endorsement requirements (not sure 
> 
why/what they were,maybe as she has only just completed her DEM in 
> 
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fun. Cas 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] DEM's

[Tania & Laurie]

think i mite also!!
Tania

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Callum 
  & Kirsten 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 5:26 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] DEM's
  
  that's it, I'm moving to 
  Perth!
   
  Kirsten
  ~~~start life with a midwife~~~
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Sadie 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:04 
AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] DEM's

There are 48 DEM's at King Edward Memorial 
Hospital in Perth.
 
Sadie

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Callum 
  & Kirsten 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 9:56 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Brisbane 
  hospitals & alleged discriminatory employment
  
  Sally-Anne,
  I wondered that too!
  I am a BMid student and have already 
  been told that our local tertiary hospital would not employ me. I then 
  wondered if that was not a case for discrimination.
  Of course their stance is that i 
  cannot be deployed elsewhere in the hospital. Funny how 100's of hospitals 
  overseas and some here of course already employ DEM's!
   
  Kirsten
  ~~~start life with a midwife~~~
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Sally-Anne Brown 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:56 
AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Brisbane 
hospitals & alleged discriminatory employment 

Thanks for the update Joanne and the 
reminder re my anti virus update.  Had been away for a few days and 
was updated yesterday around the same time I was on line. Apologies I 
did not realise it wasn't finnished when I sent the email through. 

 
Nearly all my ozmid mail appears to have an 
'attachment' when it comes in but actually doesn't.  It is the 
email itself that is the 'attachment' if you know what I mean. 
So the answer to your query is no I did 
not send an attachment  my guess is it was the email 
itself.
 
All the best for the campaign to have all 
midwives employed who wish to work at the Brisbane hosi's you mentioned 
will not employ DEM's.  I think they would need to be very careful 
they are not setting themselves up for a discrimination claim/s as it is 
the registration board that determines whether the training requirements 
of all midwives (here and o/s) have been met to register as a midwife, 
and not the area health services.  What does the QLD rego board 
think about the hospitals taking the Rego board's laws into their own 
hands ?
 
One would think they might view this as the 
hospitals stepping over the line, as one would 
imagine..!!
 
 
Kind Regards
 
Sally-Anne
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Mrs Joanne M Fisher 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 
  7:18 AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: 
  testing my email again as I am receiving but unable to send - sorry 
  for the humbug
  
  Not sure why, but an attachment came with 
  your email, did you send one?  Also, note at the bottom of this 
  email the out-of-date internal virus datatbase.
   
  Cheers, Joanne.
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Sally-Anne Brown 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 
5:38 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: 
testing my email again as I am receiving but unable to send - sorry 
for the humbug

Helen,  
The same thing has happenned to me over 
the past 2-3 weeks.  I find the odd one gets through and others 
don't.
 
Kind Regards
Sally-Anne

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Helen and Graham 

  To: Ozmidwifery 

  Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 
  5:13 PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re: 
  testing my email again as I am receiving but unable to send - 
  sorry for the humbug
  
  I seem to be able to receive from but 
  not send to the list.  I have contacted the list 
  administrator but haven't heard anything ba

Re: [ozmidwifery] DEM's

[Sadie]

You would be very welcome!
 
Sadie

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Callum 
  & Kirsten 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 5:56 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] DEM's
  
  that's it, I'm moving to 
  Perth!
   
  Kirsten
  ~~~start life with a midwife~~~
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Sadie 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:04 
AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] DEM's

There are 48 DEM's at King Edward Memorial 
Hospital in Perth.
 
Sadie

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Callum 
  & Kirsten 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 9:56 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Brisbane 
  hospitals & alleged discriminatory employment
  
  Sally-Anne,
  I wondered that too!
  I am a BMid student and have already 
  been told that our local tertiary hospital would not employ me. I then 
  wondered if that was not a case for discrimination.
  Of course their stance is that i 
  cannot be deployed elsewhere in the hospital. Funny how 100's of hospitals 
  overseas and some here of course already employ DEM's!
   
  Kirsten
  ~~~start life with a midwife~~~
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Sally-Anne Brown 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:56 
AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Brisbane 
hospitals & alleged discriminatory employment 

Thanks for the update Joanne and the 
reminder re my anti virus update.  Had been away for a few days and 
was updated yesterday around the same time I was on line. Apologies I 
did not realise it wasn't finnished when I sent the email through. 

 
Nearly all my ozmid mail appears to have an 
'attachment' when it comes in but actually doesn't.  It is the 
email itself that is the 'attachment' if you know what I mean. 
So the answer to your query is no I did 
not send an attachment  my guess is it was the email 
itself.
 
All the best for the campaign to have all 
midwives employed who wish to work at the Brisbane hosi's you mentioned 
will not employ DEM's.  I think they would need to be very careful 
they are not setting themselves up for a discrimination claim/s as it is 
the registration board that determines whether the training requirements 
of all midwives (here and o/s) have been met to register as a midwife, 
and not the area health services.  What does the QLD rego board 
think about the hospitals taking the Rego board's laws into their own 
hands ?
 
One would think they might view this as the 
hospitals stepping over the line, as one would 
imagine..!!
 
 
Kind Regards
 
Sally-Anne
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Mrs Joanne M Fisher 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 
  7:18 AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: 
  testing my email again as I am receiving but unable to send - sorry 
  for the humbug
  
  Not sure why, but an attachment came with 
  your email, did you send one?  Also, note at the bottom of this 
  email the out-of-date internal virus datatbase.
   
  Cheers, Joanne.
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Sally-Anne Brown 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 
5:38 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: 
testing my email again as I am receiving but unable to send - sorry 
for the humbug

Helen,  
The same thing has happenned to me over 
the past 2-3 weeks.  I find the odd one gets through and others 
don't.
 
Kind Regards
Sally-Anne

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Helen and Graham 

  To: Ozmidwifery 

  Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 
  5:13 PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re: 
  testing my email again as I am receiving but unable to send - 
  sorry for the humbug
  
  I seem to be able to receive from but 
  not send to the list.  I have contacted the list 
  administrator but haven't heard anyt

Re: [ozmidwifery] DEM's

[Callum & Kirsten]

that's it, I'm moving to Perth!
 
Kirsten
~~~start life with a midwife~~~

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Sadie 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:04 
  AM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] DEM's
  
  There are 48 DEM's at King Edward Memorial 
  Hospital in Perth.
   
  Sadie
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Callum 
& Kirsten 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 9:56 
AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Brisbane 
hospitals & alleged discriminatory employment

Sally-Anne,
I wondered that too!
I am a BMid student and have already 
been told that our local tertiary hospital would not employ me. I then 
wondered if that was not a case for discrimination.
Of course their stance is that i cannot 
be deployed elsewhere in the hospital. Funny how 100's of hospitals overseas 
and some here of course already employ DEM's!
 
Kirsten
~~~start life with a midwife~~~

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Sally-Anne Brown 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:56 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Brisbane 
  hospitals & alleged discriminatory employment 
  
  Thanks for the update Joanne and the reminder 
  re my anti virus update.  Had been away for a few days and was 
  updated yesterday around the same time I was on line. Apologies I did not 
  realise it wasn't finnished when I sent the email through. 
   
  Nearly all my ozmid mail appears to have an 
  'attachment' when it comes in but actually doesn't.  It is the email 
  itself that is the 'attachment' if you know what I mean. So the answer to your query is no I did not send an 
  attachment  my guess is it was the email itself.
   
  All the best for the campaign to have all 
  midwives employed who wish to work at the Brisbane hosi's you mentioned 
  will not employ DEM's.  I think they would need to be very careful 
  they are not setting themselves up for a discrimination claim/s as it is 
  the registration board that determines whether the training requirements 
  of all midwives (here and o/s) have been met to register as a midwife, and 
  not the area health services.  What does the QLD rego board think 
  about the hospitals taking the Rego board's laws into their own hands 
  ?
   
  One would think they might view this as the 
  hospitals stepping over the line, as one would 
  imagine..!!
   
   
  Kind Regards
   
  Sally-Anne
   
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Mrs Joanne M Fisher 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 
7:18 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: 
testing my email again as I am receiving but unable to send - sorry for 
the humbug

Not sure why, but an attachment came with 
your email, did you send one?  Also, note at the bottom of this 
email the out-of-date internal virus datatbase.
 
Cheers, Joanne.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Sally-Anne Brown 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 
  5:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: 
  testing my email again as I am receiving but unable to send - sorry 
  for the humbug
  
  Helen,  
  The same thing has happenned to me over 
  the past 2-3 weeks.  I find the odd one gets through and others 
  don't.
   
  Kind Regards
  Sally-Anne
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Helen and Graham 
To: Ozmidwifery 
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 
5:13 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re: 
testing my email again as I am receiving but unable to send - sorry 
for the humbug

I seem to be able to receive from but 
not send to the list.  I have contacted the list 
administrator but haven't heard anything back yet  




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Re: [ozmidwifery] DEM's

[Marilyn Kleidon]

So, the state regulations must be different in SA 
than Qld and WA. The hospital would be more than happy for us to work with gyne 
patients it just isnot ok with the QNC and so we would not be covered by 
hospital insurance policies if we did and neither would the hospital iffor 
example we were involved in a court case and a gyne patient.
 
marilyn

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  shaz42 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 1:59 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] DEM's
  
  I work in a private hospital casually in SA they 
  allow me to work with the gyne patients and maternity patients. I also work at 
  the women's and children's hospital in Adelaide and iam allowed to work with 
  the neonatal patients in SCBU we cannot work in general wards unless we are 
  registered nurses. 
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Marilyn 
Kleidon 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 11:34 
AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] DEM's

We have been discussing restrictions on 
practice to Direct Entry Midwives can others tell us what the restrictions 
are state to state. I work in Qld and am restricted from working with gyne 
patients, others have said (Sadie) that in WA she is also restricted from 
working with gyne patients can others advise us what the situations are in 
NSW, SA, VIC, TAS, and NT? 
Thanks
 
marilyn

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Mary 
  Murphy 
  To: list 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 
  5:23 AM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] 
  Interesting
  
  
  The Art of Midwifery
  After 30 years of assisting mothers in labor at home and in the 
  hospital, I have found some techniques that help empower mothers when they 
  are pushing. In the beginning and at the time of birthing it is very 
  relaxing and easy for some mothers to be on their side. If side-lying 
  pushing does not seem to bring progress, then an upright position, 
  preferably a standing squat or kneeling squat, can work well. Birth in a 
  squatting position seems to encourage rapid expulsion and tearing, so I 
  ask mothers to lean back in a semi-recline for the actual birth. I do use 
  gentle perineal support, usually with a warm cloth and oil as needed.
  But when different positions have been tried and the fetal head is 
  unable to come under the pubic arch, I encourage the mother to lie flat on 
  her back with just a pillow under her head. I help her bring her legs up 
  with the soles of her feet together. I wrap a towel around her feet and 
  have her grasp the ends of the towel and pull as she pushes. This motion 
  brings her legs back and the position causes a widening of the outlet, 
  even more than squatting. The mother's elbows should be out and one should 
  resist the urge to raise her upper body because this action seems to make 
  the push less effective. Coaching the mother to "push the baby down and 
  then up to the ceiling" seems to help as well.
  This position has saved many of my mothers from a c-section. I try to 
  suggest it after the mother has tried any positions she prefers and before 
  she becomes exhausted. I explain that, while it may seem to be a strange 
  position, it may shorten the time needed to push the baby out. At the time 
  of serious crowning, the towel can be abandoned and the mother may assume 
  any position desired.
  It makes me sad when I see current writings that caution women to 
  refrain from lying on their backs at any time during labor. We all know 
  why women are told this, but we also know there are exceptions to 
  everything. By the way, this position works with or without regional 
  anesthesia, for those practicing in hospital settings where anesthesia is 
  common.
  — Mary Jo Terrill, RN, BSN, 
  MSWSanta Barbara, 
California

Re: [ozmidwifery] DEM's

[shaz42]

I work in a private hospital casually in SA they 
allow me to work with the gyne patients and maternity patients. I also work at 
the women's and children's hospital in Adelaide and iam allowed to work with the 
neonatal patients in SCBU we cannot work in general wards unless we are 
registered nurses. 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Marilyn 
  Kleidon 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 11:34 
  AM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] DEM's
  
  We have been discussing restrictions on practice 
  to Direct Entry Midwives can others tell us what the restrictions are state to 
  state. I work in Qld and am restricted from working with gyne patients, others 
  have said (Sadie) that in WA she is also restricted from working with gyne 
  patients can others advise us what the situations are in NSW, SA, VIC, TAS, 
  and NT? 
  Thanks
   
  marilyn
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Mary 
Murphy 
To: list 
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 5:23 
AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] 
Interesting


The Art of Midwifery
After 30 years of assisting mothers in labor at home and in the hospital, 
I have found some techniques that help empower mothers when they are 
pushing. In the beginning and at the time of birthing it is very relaxing 
and easy for some mothers to be on their side. If side-lying pushing does 
not seem to bring progress, then an upright position, preferably a standing 
squat or kneeling squat, can work well. Birth in a squatting position seems 
to encourage rapid expulsion and tearing, so I ask mothers to lean back in a 
semi-recline for the actual birth. I do use gentle perineal support, usually 
with a warm cloth and oil as needed.
But when different positions have been tried and the fetal head is unable 
to come under the pubic arch, I encourage the mother to lie flat on her back 
with just a pillow under her head. I help her bring her legs up with the 
soles of her feet together. I wrap a towel around her feet and have her 
grasp the ends of the towel and pull as she pushes. This motion brings her 
legs back and the position causes a widening of the outlet, even more than 
squatting. The mother's elbows should be out and one should resist the urge 
to raise her upper body because this action seems to make the push less 
effective. Coaching the mother to "push the baby down and then up to the 
ceiling" seems to help as well.
This position has saved many of my mothers from a c-section. I try to 
suggest it after the mother has tried any positions she prefers and before 
she becomes exhausted. I explain that, while it may seem to be a strange 
position, it may shorten the time needed to push the baby out. At the time 
of serious crowning, the towel can be abandoned and the mother may assume 
any position desired.
It makes me sad when I see current writings that caution women to refrain 
from lying on their backs at any time during labor. We all know why women 
are told this, but we also know there are exceptions to everything. By the 
way, this position works with or without regional anesthesia, for those 
practicing in hospital settings where anesthesia is common.
— Mary Jo Terrill, RN, BSN, 
MSWSanta Barbara, 
California