Re: [ozmidwifery] c/s for breech
I know! My first baby was "gently lifted out" - (at 27wks) - I have the scar to prove it! 2lb baby - hip to hip scar. Akk!!! Exactly. My full term baby was not so fortunate. Rhonda ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, September 12, 2002 15:52:15 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] c/s for breech "gently lifted out"? She obviously didn't see the actual birth of her baby... most often the head has to be wrenched out of the pelvis, usually with forceps, then squeezed out through the skin, pushed from the top. To be gently lifted out, it would have to be a 40cm vertical cut into the uterus... Ack! Jo IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
Re: [ozmidwifery] c/s for breech
Title: Message When you look around at the general community, a lot of people have a little scar near the outer edge of their eyebrow - now I know some of these will be due to accidents in later life, but very often they're from forceps births. I've actually quite often confirmed this with people that I know either in a private or professional capacity. Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Karen Arthur To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 13 September 2002 7:23 Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] c/s for breech Yeah, a friend of mine had a planned c/s this week and they used forceps which scratched the baby's forehead. They were told that no scarring would occur (being newborn skin) but I personally know a guy who's 30 with a big forceps scar on his temple! Caesareans. Gentle births? I don't think so. Karen
Re: [ozmidwifery] c/s for breech
I bet it was hushed up! Yet a person I know was breech at 39 weeks deliveredvaginally as baby turned at the last min - however, in hindsight - it probably should have been a c/s. Baby had the cord around it's neck three times (first baby had the same problem, second was fine butbeing breech so late I would have thought a c/s would have been considered with the history.) Baby did not breath for some time and now he has global brain damage - seizures and other problems most likely caused by the delivery. They do them when they don't need to yet when they need to they refuse! How is this so?? Rhonda ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 22:42:52 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] c/s for breech I wonder if this woman knows that the baby was cephalic at birth and her C/S was unnecessary? or was it hushed up? MM - Original Message - Today a booboo was made :A primip -- elective c/s for breech presentation.Came out cephalic.Last u/s was at 27 weeks.Now she has a scar on her uterus :( (ETC)... IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
Re: [ozmidwifery] c/s for breech
And has changed her birthgiving life forever - Original Message - From: Sally Westbury To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 5:52 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] c/s for breech I hope that she is advised to sue. This is gross negligence. Sally Westbury
RE: [ozmidwifery] c/s for breech
Title: Message but lucky to be oh so civilized! check this out! -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Lynne StaffSent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 9:30 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] c/s for breech And has changed her birthgiving life forever - Original Message - From: Sally Westbury To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 5:52 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] c/s for breech I hope that she is advised to sue. This is gross negligence. Sally Westbury
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Title: Message What is civilised about being dissected. I see no reference in the article that this woman had any exposure to any informed information or people. Just a bunch of girlfriends who obviously had the vaginal births from hell, over managed and intervened, one of which was an obstetrician who are notorious for wanting caesareans for themselves due to their own distorted view of birth - and the intelligent and sympathetic consultation with her obstetrician (who probably thought, 'sure thing, it makes my job so much easier, I get a bit more money from the government and then I get to see you throughout the rest of your life for all the potential complications you may suffer from the section'. Egad! What a disastrous way of informing women about caesareans. All I could keep thinking was, this must be an add supported by all those zillions of surgical organisations that have an interest in women having caesareans. Woe is me! Carolyn Vicki Chan wrote: 000601c25acb$f0ae9770$0100a8c0@NOTEBOOK"> but lucky to be oh so civilized! check this out! http://www.mydr.com.au/default.asp?article=3614 -Original Message- From:[EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of LynneStaff Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 9:30 AM To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] c/s for breech And has changed her birthgiving life forever - Original Message - From: Sally Westbury To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 5:52 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] c/s for breech I hope that she is advised to sue. This is gross negligence. Sally Westbury
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Title: Message I have also read the 'natural birth' article offering the flip side to the C/S and at least there is some balance to this site - however they manage to make this N/Birth woman look exceptionally brave, extraordinary and financially secure enough to ba able to hire the private midwives and have the nice birth unit. It did not put it into context that this birth is NORMAL and perfectly feasible to most. It was commented by an american publication that if C/S rates do continue it will either bankrupt many health services or force a reduction in standards of care due to overstretching of the services. This is a fairly obvious conclusion and how do these 'experts' imagine we are all going to pay for it - especially as some obs. (v. small no. at present) are starting to hint that the more the C/S operation is perfected, the safer alternaitve it will become to ALL births and presumably the breech C/S recommendation is the thin end of the wedge when it comes to medical 'choices' for birth. H Steph. - Original Message - From: Carolyn Donaghey To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] c/s for breech What is civilised about being dissected. I see no reference in the article that this woman had any exposure to any informed information or people. Just a bunch of girlfriends who obviously had the vaginal births from hell, over managed and intervened, one of which was an obstetrician who are notorious for wanting caesareans for themselves due to their own distorted view of birth - and the intelligent and sympathetic consultation with her obstetrician (who probably thought, 'sure thing, it makes my job so much easier, I get a bit more money from the government and then I get to see you throughout the rest of your life for all the potential complications you may suffer from the section'.Egad! What a disastrous way of informing women about caesareans. All I could keep thinking was, this must be an add supported by all those zillions of surgical organisations that have an interest in women having caesareans.Woe is me!CarolynVicki Chan wrote: 000601c25acb$f0ae9770$0100a8c0@NOTEBOOK type="cite"> but lucky to be oh so civilized! check this out! http://www.mydr.com.au/default.asp?article=3614 -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Lynne StaffSent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 9:30 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] c/s for breech And has changed her birthgiving life forever - Original Message - From: Sally Westbury To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 5:52 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] c/s for breech I hope that she is advised to sue. This is gross negligence. Sally Westbury
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Title: Message "gently lifted out"? She obviously didn't see the actual birth of her baby... most often the head has to be wrenched out of the pelvis, usually with forceps, then squeezed out through the skin, pushed from the top. To be gently lifted out, it would have to be a 40cm vertical cut into the uterus... Ack! Jo
RE: [ozmidwifery] c/s for breech
I hope that she is advised to sue. This is gross negligence. Sally Westbury
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please remember to pass on the details of CARES to this woman. (or the other cs support groups of course). warning...Jo is on her soap box once again WHAT A PATHETIC EXCUSE FOR 'CARE' THIS IS! Who in their right mind books a woman in for an elective cs based on presentation of a baby at 27 weeks!! (I think I just broke my exclamation button on the key board...) this sort of poor care, dare I say malpractice should be recorded on file and remain there as a black mark against those who did not think to bother checking if the baby was indeed breech. It would be pointless to take into the legal forum (although I would be tempted if my body had been cut for no reasonwell mine has in fact, but for a reason that can be proven to be false) on the eve of the national caesarean awareness day, I am writhing in agony for this poor womanthe key board hasn't been pounded like this since my letter writing to keep vbac in birth centres! (-oh, it does work!!) I am totally and utter pissed off at this. sorry to sound horrible, but I think 'boo boo' is an inappropriate descriptive term to use. my toddler makes boo boos when he accidentally drops his pencils all over the floor. to butcher a woman based on a breech presentation and not even confirm it after the 27 week mark is utterly unprofessional and should NEVER happen. I need a cigarette and I don't even smoke I am that angry. (gotta remember to breath...) Jo Bainbridgefounding member CARES SAemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]phone: 08 8388 6918birth with trust, faith love... - Original Message - From: JoFromOz To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 4:21 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] c/s for breech Today a booboo was made :( A primip -- elective c/s for breech presentation. Came out cephalic. Last u/s was at 27 weeks. :( Now she has a scar on her uterus :( (ETC)... Babies are Born... Pizzas are Delivered.
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out of interest: what excuse was this woman given? "these things can happen?" I sincerely hope not Jo Bainbridgefounding member CARES SAemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]phone: 08 8388 6918birth with trust, faith love... - Original Message - From: JoFromOz To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 4:21 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] c/s for breech Today a booboo was made :( A primip -- elective c/s for breech presentation. Came out cephalic. Last u/s was at 27 weeks. :( Now she has a scar on her uterus :( (ETC)... Babies are Born... Pizzas are Delivered.
Re: [ozmidwifery] c/s for breech
I wonder if this woman knows that the baby was cephalic at birth and her C/S was unnecessary? or was it hushed up? MM - Original Message - Today a booboo was made :A primip -- elective c/s for breech presentation.Came out cephalic.Last u/s was at 27 weeks.Now she has a scar on her uterus :( (ETC)...
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Jo, Why didn't the woman have an u/sound prior to the c/section to confirm presentation? Surely an u/sound at 27 weeks means nothing?!!! Liza - Original Message - From: Jo Dean Bainbridge To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] c/s for breech out of interest: what excuse was this woman given? "these things can happen?" I sincerely hope not Jo Bainbridgefounding member CARES SAemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]phone: 08 8388 6918birth with trust, faith love... - Original Message - From: JoFromOz To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 4:21 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] c/s for breech Today a booboo was made :( A primip -- elective c/s for breech presentation. Came out cephalic. Last u/s was at 27 weeks. :( Now she has a scar on her uterus :( (ETC)... Babies are Born... Pizzas are Delivered.
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Dear Jo What was recorded on her admission observations as they surely must have included abdo palpation and what was she told afterwards?I remember a multiparous woman who was having a caesar for a breech and was showered and shaved and in a theatre gown and requested palpation as the baby had been moving a lot. It was cephalic. She promptly got dressed and requested discharge. She was, after she got a dressing down about caesar being the best option for an "unstable" lie.She returned 2days later just in time to push out her cephalic baby inside the "hallowed walls". Also I had mentioned about finding out about ante natal expressing. Women who are insulin dependant gestational diabetics are offered the option to express from about 38 weeks on as their babies automatically go to the nursery for observation. They have to be quickthough as they are also booked for induction at 38 weeks.Our lactation consultation tells me she would only expect a few mls but few women take up the option. The babies mostly have formula or drips for low blood sugar. On another note, I wonder how, or ifother places manage to meet step 4 of the BFHI and " help mothers initiate breastfeeding within a half hour of birth". This is the set criteria but often mum or baby are not ready for whatever reason.I realise they have to be normal vaginal births. Anyone From a BFHI hospital care to comment Thanks Linda Trewern.-Click here for Free Video!!http://www.gohip.com/free_video/ - Original Message - From: JoFromOz To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 4:51 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] c/s for breech Today a booboo was made :( A primip -- elective c/s for breech presentation. Came out cephalic. Last u/s was at 27 weeks. :( Now she has a scar on her uterus :( (ETC)... Babies are Born... Pizzas are Delivered.
Re: [ozmidwifery] c/s for breech
The u/s at 27 weeks showed the baby was cephalic. later palps said breech... mum said baby hadn't moved from breech and she felt she could feel the head under her ribs. Still, an u/s just prior to the cut would have been greatly appreciated. As for the excuse, I'm not sure there would have been one, I don't know. She didn't speak English, so I'm sure that would have made it easier for her not to get one... :( Jo
