Re: [ozmidwifery] hi there _ question regarding induction

[Lynne Staff]

Hi Mary - do you know when the women are given these consent forms? ie
antenatally, or just before an intended procedure? Are they discussed in
birth education classes? This is interesting and I agree - well done KEMH.

In QLD there was such a hoo ha about the use of water during labour and
birth and a call for a very detailed consent form for women to be read and
signed many months prior to the labour and birth, but not so much detail nor
any hoo ha for forms about the pros and cons and IMPLICATIONS for women who
have the much more familiar and readily available, accessible and accepted
epidural. I wonder will epidurals be included with forceps, etc.

Regards, Lynne
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From: "Mary Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 9:30 AM
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> Jackie, the labour will be more efficient (and less harmful) if the
natural
> hormones work in the right sequence.  We only have one synthetic  hormone,
> sytocinon to FORCE the uterus to work in induction.  If prostaglandin gel
is
> used to soften the cervix, there are other complications possible (some
> serious). One never knows how big a baby will be until it is born, not
even
> with U/S. and the woman's body is a wondrous thing when allowed to work in
> it's own way.You have already birthed a big baby for the first birth and
> that one is the hardest.   It is very interesting that  KEMH now have a
set
> of consent forms for women in the case of induction, forceps,etc which
> clearly talks about the complications of the proposed treatment.  All
> hospitals should have them!  (well done KEMH).  I am not sure that it
would
> cut the rates of induction, but at least women would know before- hand.
MM
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Re: [ozmidwifery] hi there _ question regarding induction

[Mary Murphy]

Jackie, the labour will be more efficient (and less harmful) if the natural
hormones work in the right sequence.  We only have one synthetic  hormone,
sytocinon to FORCE the uterus to work in induction.  If prostaglandin gel is
used to soften the cervix, there are other complications possible (some
serious). One never knows how big a baby will be until it is born, not even
with U/S. and the woman's body is a wondrous thing when allowed to work in
it's own way.You have already birthed a big baby for the first birth and
that one is the hardest.   It is very interesting that  KEMH now have a set
of consent forms for women in the case of induction, forceps,etc which
clearly talks about the complications of the proposed treatment.  All
hospitals should have them!  (well done KEMH).  I am not sure that it would
cut the rates of induction, but at least women would know before- hand.  MM

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RE: [ozmidwifery] hi there _ question regarding induction

[Jaqueline Marwick]

Hello all
Thanks Judy, Sally, Jo and Mary for your replies

Today I was told my due date is tomorrow (rather than yesterday), and the
doctor hopes my baby will come naturally by the weekend.  Otherwise he will
insist on induction, I am sure.
He fears that, being a big one, my baby could possibly harm him/herself on
the way out, causing some abnormality. I think this is what he fears...
We'll see how we go
Thanks for everything
Jackie

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Re: [ozmidwifery] hi there _ question regarding induction

[Judy Chapman]

Hi Jackie, 
Many women can have big babies and have them easily. The fact that you have had one big baby helps to confirm your pelvis is able to cope. I don't know the circumstances of your previous birth but by now you are probably aware that some of the problems would have been caused by the interventions, not by your body having problems coping with a big baby. 
The largest baby I can remember catching was 5kg. Her second after a baby somewhere in the 4 - 4.5 kg range. She was active and upright, spontaneous and quick. 
Tune in to your body and follow what it tells you.
Judy
 



From: "Jaqueline Marwick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [ozmidwifery] hi there _ question regarding induction 
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:06:08 - 

Dear Ozmids 
I have only once introduced myself to the list, for months I have been a 
silent member and I wish to thank you all for the edifying messages that I 
have been reading from you. 
My name is Jaqueline, I am not a midwife, I am a mum of an 18 months old 
baby and I am very clingy onto him ;)) 
I am a native of Rio de Janeiro, Brazil living in sunny Perth. 
I also have the privilege of being a friend of Ricardo Jones and I 
appreciate the important role he plays in Brazil as the odd one out who is a 
male doctor and battles for the rights of us, women. 

I wish to take this opportunity to ask for an advice regarding my new baby. 
I am now 40 weeks pregnant, my EDD is tomorrow and today my doctor said he 
would like to induce me if I don't go into labour by the weekend. 
His reason is that he claims my baby is already "too big". 
I still didn't understand what's wrong with having a big baby. 
With my first baby I was induced being 9 days overdue and I didn't have a 
good experience. 
I was put on a drip that made me feel shaky and unable to move, with violent 
contractions that felt artificial, unable to embrace my baby as soon as he 
was born, etc. 
This time I have been much more aware and reading Andrea Robertson's book on 
Preparing for Birth and reading Michel Odent's Entering the world, and I 
have been well endoctrinated towards what is the best for my baby and 
myself. 
It is my dream to have a natural birth, to give birth in the best way for my 
baby and to feel a bit more in control, rather than shaking due to drugs. 
My baby is beautifully engaged and I am effaced, I am big at the moment but 
I feel great physically and emotionally. I have the full support of my 
husband at all times. 
My first baby was born 4 kilos and 130 grams, and my doctor says this one 
will be as big. 
I think this is wonderful to have a big baby. Well, it turned out he is a 
little guy now hehe, he is very picky when it comes to eating. 
I asked my doctor if he is concerned because I am 38 years old and he said 
age is not the problem, but the size of the baby. I still don't 
understand why. 
I never had high blood pressure or gestational diabetes, there is plenty of 
amniotic fluid in my uterus I did put on almost 18 kilos this time but 
I am a healthy person. 

I must say that my doctor is NOT into caesarian births, in fact he is not 
even an obstetrician, he is a GP who is the most popular in my area for 
assisting over 40 births per month. 
I would like to ask how far should I resist the doctor's idea of induction. 
In other words, how far should I wait until I would have to be induced? 
Thanks in advance 
Jackie 




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Re: [ozmidwifery] hi there _ question regarding induction

[Mary Murphy]

Hi Jackie, if you think it would help to talk to a midwife in Perth, I am a
homebirth midwife who has recently had a few "overdue" clients, including my
daughter  19days over.  My home phone No is 9440 1310.  or email me at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] regards. Mary Murphy

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Re: [ozmidwifery] hi there _ question regarding induction

[jo hunter]

Hi Jaqueline,

I'm not a midwife, am also a mum of 4 and a consumer of homebirth. I put
together a newsletter for Homebirth Access Sydney and have a fantastic birth
story written by the father of a baby who was born at (by the hospitals
calculations) just over 44 weeks gestation. An incredibly inspiring story
that tells of the family and mother listening to her own intuition and
knowledge that her baby was fine and how they resisted (with an awful amount
of stress) the pressure that the hospital was putting on them. I also have
alot of info about natural induction and things you can try to bring baby on
before going down the hospital induction road. You can contact me offlist if
you like - [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Cheers Jo

- Original Message -
From: "Jaqueline Marwick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 2:06 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] hi there _ question regarding induction


> Dear Ozmids
> I have only once introduced myself to the list, for months I have been a
> silent member and I wish to thank you all for the edifying messages that I
> have been reading from you.
> My name is Jaqueline, I am not a midwife, I am a mum of an 18 months old
> baby and I am very clingy onto him ;))
> I am a native of Rio de Janeiro, Brazil living in sunny Perth.
> I also have the privilege of being a friend of Ricardo Jones and I
> appreciate the important role he plays in Brazil as the odd one out who is
a
> male doctor and battles for the rights of us, women.
>
> I wish to take this opportunity to ask for an advice regarding my new
baby.
> I am now 40 weeks pregnant, my EDD is tomorrow and today my doctor said he
> would like to induce me if I don't go into labour by the weekend.
> His reason is that he claims my baby is already "too big".
> I still didn't understand what's wrong with having a big baby.
> With my first baby I was induced being 9 days overdue and I didn't have a
> good experience.
> I was put on a drip that made me feel shaky and unable to move, with
violent
> contractions that felt artificial, unable to embrace my baby as soon as he
> was born, etc.
> This time I have been much more aware and reading Andrea Robertson's book
on
> Preparing for Birth and reading Michel Odent's Entering the world, and I
> have been well endoctrinated towards what is the best for my baby and
> myself.
> It is my dream to have a natural birth, to give birth in the best way for
my
> baby and to feel a bit more in control, rather than shaking due to drugs.
> My baby is beautifully engaged and I am effaced, I am big at the moment
but
> I feel great physically and emotionally. I have the full support of my
> husband at all times.
> My first baby was born 4 kilos and 130 grams, and my doctor says this one
> will be as big.
> I think this is wonderful to have a big baby.  Well, it turned out he is a
> little guy now hehe, he is very picky when it comes to eating.
> I asked my doctor if he is concerned because I am 38 years old and he said
> age is not the problem, but the size of the baby.  I still don't
> understand why.
> I never had high blood pressure or gestational diabetes, there is plenty
of
> amniotic fluid in my uterus  I did put on almost 18 kilos this time
but
> I am a healthy person.
>
> I must say that my doctor is NOT into caesarian births, in fact he is not
> even an obstetrician, he is a GP who is the most popular in my area for
> assisting over 40 births per month.
> I would like to ask how far should I resist the doctor's idea of
induction.
> In other words, how far should I wait until I would have to be induced?
> Thanks in advance
> Jackie
>
>
>
>
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RE: [ozmidwifery] hi there _ question regarding induction

[Sally Westbury]

Hi Jacki,

I am a homebirth midwife in Fremantle

There are many sides to the question of being overdue and being induced.

It is fairly well established that being induce often leads to a cascade
of intervention that may not be the birth that you are dreaming of.

Normal pregnancy is 38 to 42 weeks. 

I feel that you need to trust you instincts about the wellbeing of your
baby. If you guts tell you that you are ok then I believe you and trust
you and would encourage you to believe yourself and trust yourself.

At 40 weeks I would not be supporting an induction at all (if the woman
felt all was well).

Personally I was 10 days over with my first baby, 14 days over with my
second and 22 days overdue with my 3rd. 

If you would like to talk more about this contact me offlist and we can
do that.

In peace and joy

Sally Westbury

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