Re: [P2P-F] Do we know about Linked Data ? Are we interested is understanding its potentials ? Quick survey - Thanks !
Thanks Eric Yes, I'd be glad to follow up on the thinking and research you are doing around metacurrency, and participate in the scheduled hang out. further note : an interesting reply by June on this thread, also available on the public p2pf list archive http://www.mail-archive.com/p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org/ - [P2P-F] Do we know about Linked Data ? Are we interested is understanding its potentials ? Quick survey - Thanks !http://www.mail-archive.com/p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org/msg01085.html Dante-Gabryell Monson - Re: [P2P-F] Do we know about Linked Data ? Are we interested is understanding its potentials ? Quick survey - Thanks !http://www.mail-archive.com/p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org/msg01087.html June Gorman - Re: [P2P-F] Do we know about Linked Data ? Are we interested is understanding its potentials ? Quick survey - Thanks !http://www.mail-archive.com/p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org/msg01088.html Dante-Gabryell Monson On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Eric Harris-Braun e...@harris-braun.comwrote: Hi All, It turns out that where the technical side of the MetaCurrency Project has led us has lots to do with Semantic Data or rather, from our point of view, Semantic Computing. Ceptr, the computing stack we are designing to build our tools out of, pushes Semantics down into the lowest levels of the stack, in a way that we haven't seen with the approaches inherent embodied in RDF/URI. For folks interested in our approach, I'm scheduling a tech hang-out in the next week or two. If you want to be notified of it please drop me a line. -Eric On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Dante-Gabryell Monson dante.mon...@gmail.com wrote: *pre-note : I try to understand if we can , possibly collectively, * *write an article that could be published on the p2pfoundation blog,* *as to better explain, in words and with images / graphics , * *some of the potentials of building on, for example, Linked Data - and/or similar technologies enabling us to more easily redefine our realities collectively -* *If anyone wrote on these topics, or is interested in combining our efforts and research in writing about these topics, or if some can help in making such article in a enjoyable reading moment ( combining it with nice imagery and stories ? Like some science fiction authors manage to do - yet talking about the present ? ) it would be great. I mean, not only about one specific application or project, but about the potential to work together on various applications based on common protocols. * *Some call it a Global Brain , or a Web Operating System , ... * *Below is what I want to say to open up the topics for now ... I am open to brainstorm further, and progressively collectively organize an easier to understand blog post, or series of blog posts, on such topics.* Thanks Bob, Thanks Helene, for your replies. I sent this message initially motivated by the realization, after an email exchange with Michel. Michel pointed that in his view there seemed to be little interest regarding Linked Data / Semantic Web approaches on p2pf related forums. So I wondered if this was really the case, and if so, what could be the reason, and how could it be better communicated. Possibly showing how different projects may have an interest in using such technologies in their research and development of applications, showing overlap of different applications that want to embody such technologies, and overlap and re-use of the data generated by each of these applications to enable yet new applications. For example, Bob in collaboration with Sensorica for Open Value Network tools... Although the technologies can be re-used and adapted for a variety of applications, hence Netention ( mostly Seth coding for now ) researching approaches, and inviting others into such research and development, which hopefully can be re-used for Open Value Networks, or for alternative forms of learning building on available information on our wiki's , etc Other projects, such as metamaps, are also interested ( or already including ) such approaches ... Pavlik was already talking about FOAF ( one aspect / approach using Linked Data concepts ) many years ago. I now notice Pavlik is regaining interest, including in Schema and Json , ... midst others, in support of Sharing Economy applications ? /// But in a larger sense, I feel it is about contributing to the development of remedies regarding Anoptism ( which Olivier talks about , http://p2pfoundation.net/Anoptism , while facilitating at first Holoptism ) In the understanding which I developed by interacting with Seth and others via lists such as Global Survival Listhttps://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/global-survival , such Web 3.0 approaches get us closer to the concept of Noosphere http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noosphere Or should I be
Re: [P2P-F] [commoning] The Co-operative University
(sorry, somehow this discussion is spread across two very similar mailing lists! Here's my reply to the commoning list just now). On 15/12/2013 18:03, a...@shsh.co.uk a...@shsh.co.uk wrote: I certainly don't want to criticise the idea of a cooperative university and all the work you are doing at the SSC. However the fundamental distinction between students and teachers is that the former have to pay and the latter get paid. In my work as a professional this was a barrier I found I could not overcome. My time was valuable, my clients time was not. I'm just wondering if there is room to add on, perhaps as an option, a space where students and teachers merge, where students are in charge of what they learn, and may teach the teachers. Eg http://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/oct/24/students-post-crash-econom ics This is very much what we're working on at Lincoln, both inside and outside the university. Students in the UK and elsewhere are continually being reconfigured into a peculiar kind of consumer who co-produces themselves as 'human capital' - an 'improved' form of the labour-power commodity. We've been working on a critique and an affront to this for a few years now. You can read about 'Student as Producer' here: http://studentasproducer.lincoln.ac.uk/ If this is of interest to you, I'd suggest reading this book chapter: The student as producer: reinventing the student experience in higher education http://eprints.lincoln.ac.uk/1675/ and then more of Mike Neary's later work to develop it: Student as producer: an institution of the common? [or how to recover communist/revolutionary science] http://josswinn.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/ELiSS0403A_Guest_paper.pdf Pedagogy of Excess: an alternative political economy of student life http://josswinn.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Pedagogy-of-Excess-preprint. pdf Student as Producer: A Pedagogy for the Avant-Garde; or, how do revolutionary teachers teach? http://josswinn.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/15-72-1-pb-1.pdf The Social Science Centre, Lincoln, take the ideas and the pedagogy of Student as Producer out of the university and, in one sense, is an attempt to develop it without the constraints of existing institutional forms. It's an experiment: http://www.radicalphilosophy.com/news/an-experiment-in-free-co-operative-hi gher-education As for co-operatives as a new model for higher education, I think it's worth pursuing this as a transitional model to a post-capitalist form of higher education institution. I've been trying to think about 'academic labour' and the university as a 'means of production' and extending this idea to co-operation. I posted some thoughts here: The association of free and equal producers http://josswinn.org/2013/06/the-association-of-free-and-equal-producers/ Notes towards a critique of Labour Managed Firms http://josswinn.org/2013/07/notes-towards-a-critique-of-labour-managed-firm s/ What is Academic labour? http://josswinn.org/2013/07/what-is-academic-labour/ My friend, Richard Hall (cc'd), also writes about this stuff, too: http://www.richard-hall.org/ All the best, Joss The University of Lincoln, located in the heart of the city of Lincoln, has established an international reputation based on high student satisfaction, excellent graduate employment and world-class research. The information in this e-mail and any attachments may be confidential. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and remove it from your system. Do not disclose the contents to another person or take copies. Email is not secure and may contain viruses. The University of Lincoln makes every effort to ensure email is sent without viruses, but cannot guarantee this and recommends recipients take appropriate precautions. The University may monitor email traffic data and content in accordance with its policies and English law. Further information can be found at: http://www.lincoln.ac.uk/legal. ___ P2P Foundation - Mailing list http://www.p2pfoundation.net https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation
Re: [P2P-F] [commoning] The Co-operative University
Interesting. Regarding a cooperative university approach. I notice there are several , potentially overlapping approaches. I wish to bring forward the potential of a* learners cooperative* point of perspective , as a cultural trend to *adapt to de-monetization* , support forms of social and environmental regeneration, enable alternatives not as dependent ( and yet potentially overlapping ) of the mainstream narratives. I do sense that this is ideological. Supporting the commons in itself is imho ideological. If interested, here goes - it is a bit long ... / I understand Sam and others focused on these topics - but still tried/try to make a monetized business out of it ? And I guess it is legitimate, especially if one needs to limit the risks one can take ( for example, in regards to family, if there is dependency on mortgage, loans, etc ) Yet - I want to bring forward the following : *Can we do it ... without money, at all ? Or... by reducing dependency to money to the minimum ? ... and by doing so, make such approaches scalable, not only online, but as potential interfaces for the creation and spreading of emergent viable systems, accessible to any form of intelligence across the globe ?* I am aware some of us may get burned out, especially if isolated or marginalized by working on such research. Finding ways to engage people, when most people seem to be stuck in hopes or needs to get something out of a rat race narrative, is not easy. Perhaps for some, a cooperative university may be an intermediary approach, which would enable them to more easily support certain forms of commons. Yet for those who have for some reason dropped out of such capitalist rat race ( deliberately or not ) , or who still have a foot in it but may already have secured themselves, starting with shared engagement, interacting with each other, living together, may be a starting point ? Including young or older who want to create a shared experience together, using learning as a vector for convergence and engagement ? Potentially leading to further incubation of modules for systemic alternatives. Tribes converging, even for short term events or festivals, yet experiencing a more festivalism paradigm , as opposed to a society of the spectacle ? http://p2pfoundation.net/Festivalism /// I'll allow myself to re-contextualize : I like how the* video shared by Joe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZ91Kj-4q2o#t=1 talks about intersections*... I do feel it brings up many of the topics , including degrees and certifications. My take and personal experience in relation to *learning* is that it *does not depend on teaching, and even less so on universities, or credentials.* My take is that credentials are a poor and limited motivation for learning, although it may be one of the possible intersections. As for the *subject of this thread, * *the topic of a Co-operative University*, it can imho certainly be *beneficial* for those who are dependent on the academic business *for making a monetary living*, and I wish them well in their approach ! It may become more like a *producers cooperative http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Producer_cooperative* - university staff being the producers ? Similarly, one could imagine a *consumers cooperative http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumer_cooperative* in relation to universities ( students as consumers ? ) What is produced and consumed ? What is being monetized ? Does it need to be monetized ? Is is it all about a credential economy ? I notice articles such as http://www.educause.edu/ero/article/credentialing-economy-transformed-and-its-beneficiaries What paradigm(s) are we in, and *how do we negotiate priorities in terms of learning ?* ( and in producing new knowledge / research ) Can we really separate production and consumption when it comes to learning ? And since we are sharing this on commoning and p2pfoundation lists, what happens when everyone becomes a producer and a consumer, and when we generate a commons for each other. *What happens when we de-monetize ... ?* That is, not even alter-monetize - but no money. What happens when there is no more chain of command, *when one does not make oneself dependent on the conditions of a monetary monopoly * ( and ( imho ) its top down crafted prioritization of objectives and the specific markets it decides to create via artificial scarcity , and tribute to such hierarchy of artificial scarcity ? ) *What happens when credentials are not being sold as being needed to survive or have a say in this society ?* When we generate communities based on principles of equipotentiality http://p2pfoundation.net/Equipotentiality When we can collectively shift our inter-dependencies to a communal shareholding relational dynamic ? http://p2pfoundation.net/Relational_Model_Typology_-_Fiske /// I do feel that Open Learning approaches do tend towards this... In effect, what would universities ( still ) be selling ? An experience ? A
