Re: listen to music in surrround sound

2014-05-27 Thread Laurence Taylor
I love surround for films where you've got things happening all
around you (the battle scenes in Star Wars for example), but for
music I find it a bit pointless; I don't go to a concert and sit
on the stage. For general listening I stick with stereo.

On the other hand, listen in mono and it sounds good where-ever
you are in the room! :-)

-- 
rgds
LAurence

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Re: listen to music in surrround sound

2014-05-27 Thread Gary Wood
This is a good   point, however, I was in a band in high school, and there 
was nothing like being in the middle of that experience.
- Original Message - 
From: Laurence Taylor g7...@btopenworld.com

To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 4:31 AM
Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound



I love surround for films where you've got things happening all
around you (the battle scenes in Star Wars for example), but for
music I find it a bit pointless; I don't go to a concert and sit
on the stage. For general listening I stick with stereo.

On the other hand, listen in mono and it sounds good where-ever
you are in the room! :-)

--
rgds
LAurence

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RE: listen to music in surrround sound

2014-05-27 Thread Frank Ventura
Matt, that is exactally what some of the Dolby, Logic and Pro Logic digital 
signal processing  are supposed to simulate; and for the most part they do a 
pretty lousy job.
Frank

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Matthew Chao
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 9:57 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound

Hi, Folks.  Another point:  not all music is formatted to be actually 
surround-sound playable.  For example, you may have a surround-sound system, 
but the CD may not have all the surround-sound channels.

Matthew Chao

At 09:17 AM 5/26/2014, you wrote:
Hi this is Brian Sackrider and it is a matter of prefference on  
how to listen to music if you listen toyour music in stereo or in  
surround sound that is your prefference.  I used to have a pioneer  
surround sound system it was the htp 55 and I did like to listen to  
music in surround sound I liked the concert hall effect and all of  the 
seperation and the acoostic effects.  in my opinion that is the  only 
to listen to music in full surround sound you just can't get  that kind 
of sound from stereo speakers iI do like to hear good  stereo speakers 
but there is no compearason to listening to music  in surroundsound.
On 5/26/2014 2:54 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
You're right, they don't like surround-sound and they do have a point.

Surround-Sound systems are not designed for pure music listening, 
you're better off with a good stereo amp and a good pair of stereo 
speakers for doing things like that and here's their point, for the 
cost of a surround-sound system you can buy better sound stereo amp 
and speakers.

In short, surround-sound is for entertaining and enjoyable listening.


On 26 May 2014, at 4:52 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote:

Well it's too bad some people are like that.  I don't think 
audiophiles would like surround sound.  Someone told me once that 
when you add more speakers to the mix with surround sound, there is 
some loss of quality. Heck, I even used to use a graphics equalizer 
with one piece of equipment I had, but when I bought surround sound, 
the equalizer made things sound distored, so I quit using it.  
Audiophiles don't like graphic equalizers.
- Original Message - From: Hamit Campos 
hamitcam...@gmail.com
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 8:49 AM
Subject: RE: Bose Soundlink 3


I know audiophiles don't like them. I've seen it on youtube. 
People make fun
of people, people say the no highs, no lows, it must be Bose joke, 
and hell, I've even seen death threats.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
Dane Trethowan
Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 2:11 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Bose Soundlink 3

As much as Bose users won't like to hear it, you won't find a Bose 
system or product mentioned in an audiophile magazine but that's 
nice to say their products are cheap, nasty and rubbish because that 
just isn't the case.

The products are reasonable at worst and the company is very good to 
deal with, or it is here at any rate.

I've been able to try before I buy the products I have in my own 
home, there was one product I didn't like and I told Bose so after 
the trial, they made arrangements to pick the product up from me and 
I was given a refund of the purchase price, no questions asked.

I had a problem with my Bose Soundlink Air and a pickup of the old 
and delivery of the new replacement was arranged, again no questions 
asked, no hitches etc, I just had to identify who I was.


On 25 May 2014, at 4:08 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote:

I guess people say that you get what you pay for, and maybe it's 
worth it.  - Original Message - From: Mary Otten
maryot...@comcast.net
To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 7:25 PM
Subject: Bose Soundlink 3


I wonder if anybody on list owns this speaker from Bose. It costs $300.
I saw one briefly last evening at the Verizon store, as I was 
purchasing my new iPhone and was pretty impressed with the sound, 
given the size of the box. I really haven't looked all that much 
in to this sort of speaker. I have an older dock that works with 
the older style iPhone connectors, and it really sounds pretty 
good, but my better half has sort of taken it over for use in his 
class-room.
So I'd like to know from those who have experienced this 
equipment, what did you think, and are there other units you'd 
recommend as good competition? I like the size and the volume and 
depth of sound, but am not thrilled with the $300 price tag, naturally.
Mary

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Re: listen to music in surrround sound

2014-05-27 Thread Gary Wood

But to me, it sounds better, especially with the Prologic 2.0.
- Original Message - 
From: Frank Ventura frank.vent...@littlebreezes.com

To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 2:06 PM
Subject: RE: listen to music in surrround sound


Matt, that is exactally what some of the Dolby, Logic and Pro Logic digital 
signal processing  are supposed to simulate; and for the most part they do a 
pretty lousy job.

Frank

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Matthew 
Chao

Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 9:57 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound

Hi, Folks.  Another point:  not all music is formatted to be actually 
surround-sound playable.  For example, you may have a surround-sound system, 
but the CD may not have all the surround-sound channels.


Matthew Chao

At 09:17 AM 5/26/2014, you wrote:

   Hi this is Brian Sackrider and it is a matter of prefference on
how to listen to music if you listen toyour music in stereo or in
surround sound that is your prefference.  I used to have a pioneer
surround sound system it was the htp 55 and I did like to listen to
music in surround sound I liked the concert hall effect and all of  the
seperation and the acoostic effects.  in my opinion that is the  only
to listen to music in full surround sound you just can't get  that kind
of sound from stereo speakers iI do like to hear good  stereo speakers
but there is no compearason to listening to music  in surroundsound.
On 5/26/2014 2:54 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

You're right, they don't like surround-sound and they do have a point.

Surround-Sound systems are not designed for pure music listening,
you're better off with a good stereo amp and a good pair of stereo
speakers for doing things like that and here's their point, for the
cost of a surround-sound system you can buy better sound stereo amp
and speakers.

In short, surround-sound is for entertaining and enjoyable listening.


On 26 May 2014, at 4:52 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote:


Well it's too bad some people are like that.  I don't think
audiophiles would like surround sound.  Someone told me once that
when you add more speakers to the mix with surround sound, there is
some loss of quality. Heck, I even used to use a graphics equalizer
with one piece of equipment I had, but when I bought surround sound,
the equalizer made things sound distored, so I quit using it.
Audiophiles don't like graphic equalizers.
- Original Message - From: Hamit Campos
hamitcam...@gmail.com
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 8:49 AM
Subject: RE: Bose Soundlink 3



I know audiophiles don't like them. I've seen it on youtube.
People make fun
of people, people say the no highs, no lows, it must be Bose joke,
and hell, I've even seen death threats.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of
Dane Trethowan
Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 2:11 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Bose Soundlink 3

As much as Bose users won't like to hear it, you won't find a Bose
system or product mentioned in an audiophile magazine but that's
nice to say their products are cheap, nasty and rubbish because that
just isn't the case.

The products are reasonable at worst and the company is very good to
deal with, or it is here at any rate.

I've been able to try before I buy the products I have in my own
home, there was one product I didn't like and I told Bose so after
the trial, they made arrangements to pick the product up from me and
I was given a refund of the purchase price, no questions asked.

I had a problem with my Bose Soundlink Air and a pickup of the old
and delivery of the new replacement was arranged, again no questions
asked, no hitches etc, I just had to identify who I was.


On 25 May 2014, at 4:08 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote:


I guess people say that you get what you pay for, and maybe it's
worth it.  - Original Message - From: Mary Otten
maryot...@comcast.net
To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 7:25 PM
Subject: Bose Soundlink 3


I wonder if anybody on list owns this speaker from Bose. It costs 
$300.

I saw one briefly last evening at the Verizon store, as I was
purchasing my new iPhone and was pretty impressed with the sound,
given the size of the box. I really haven't looked all that much
in to this sort of speaker. I have an older dock that works with
the older style iPhone connectors, and it really sounds pretty
good, but my better half has sort of taken it over for use in his 
class-room.

So I'd like to know from those who have experienced this
equipment, what did you think, and are there other units you'd
recommend as good competition? I like the size and the volume and
depth of sound, but am not thrilled with the $300 price tag, 
naturally.

Mary


**

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listen to music in surrround sound

2014-05-26 Thread brian sackrider
   Hi this is Brian Sackrider and it is a matter of prefference on how 
to listen to music if you listen toyour music in stereo or in surround 
sound that is your prefference.  I used to have a pioneer surround sound 
system it was the htp 55 and I did like to listen to music in surround 
sound I liked the concert hall effect and all of the seperation and the 
acoostic effects.  in my opinion that is the only to listen to music in 
full surround sound you just can't get that kind of sound from stereo 
speakers iI do like to hear good stereo speakers but there is no 
compearason to listening to music in surroundsound.

On 5/26/2014 2:54 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

You're right, they don't like surround-sound and they do have a point.

Surround-Sound systems are not designed for pure music listening, you're better 
off with a good stereo amp and a good pair of stereo speakers for doing things 
like that and here's their point, for the cost of a surround-sound system you 
can buy better sound stereo amp and speakers.

In short, surround-sound is for entertaining and enjoyable listening.


On 26 May 2014, at 4:52 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote:


Well it's too bad some people are like that.  I don't think audiophiles would 
like surround sound.  Someone told me once that when you add more speakers to 
the mix with surround sound, there is some loss of quality. Heck, I even used 
to use a graphics equalizer with one piece of equipment I had, but when I 
bought surround sound, the equalizer made things sound distored, so I quit 
using it.  Audiophiles don't like graphic equalizers.
- Original Message - From: Hamit Campos hamitcam...@gmail.com
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 8:49 AM
Subject: RE: Bose Soundlink 3



I know audiophiles don't like them. I've seen it on youtube. People make fun
of people, people say the no highs, no lows, it must be Bose joke, and hell,
I've even seen death threats.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane
Trethowan
Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 2:11 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Bose Soundlink 3

As much as Bose users won't like to hear it, you won't find a Bose system or
product mentioned in an audiophile magazine but that's nice to say their
products are cheap, nasty and rubbish because that just isn't the case.

The products are reasonable at worst and the company is very good to deal
with, or it is here at any rate.

I've been able to try before I buy the products I have in my own home, there
was one product I didn't like and I told Bose so after the trial, they made
arrangements to pick the product up from me and I was given a refund of the
purchase price, no questions asked.

I had a problem with my Bose Soundlink Air and a pickup of the old and
delivery of the new replacement was arranged, again no questions asked, no
hitches etc, I just had to identify who I was.


On 25 May 2014, at 4:08 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote:


I guess people say that you get what you pay for, and maybe it's worth
it.  - Original Message - From: Mary Otten
maryot...@comcast.net
To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 7:25 PM
Subject: Bose Soundlink 3



I wonder if anybody on list owns this speaker from Bose. It costs $300.
I saw one briefly last evening at the Verizon store, as I was
purchasing my new iPhone and was pretty impressed with the sound,
given the size of the box. I really haven't looked all that much in
to this sort of speaker. I have an older dock that works with the
older style iPhone connectors, and it really sounds pretty good, but
my better half has sort of taken it over for use in his class-room.
So I'd like to know from those who have experienced this equipment,
what did you think, and are there other units you'd recommend as good
competition? I like the size and the volume and depth of sound, but
am not thrilled with the $300 price tag, naturally.
Mary



**

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Skype: grtdane12
Phone US (213) 438-9741
Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589
Mobile: +61400494862
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Phone US (213) 438-9741
Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589
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Re: listen to music in surrround sound

2014-05-26 Thread Dane Trethowan
The fact is - whether we like it or not - 99% of the recorded music on the 
Planet was never recorded for surround-sound systems, it was either recorded in 
stereo or Mono.


On 26 May 2014, at 11:17 pm, brian sackrider n8...@comcast.net wrote:

   Hi this is Brian Sackrider and it is a matter of prefference on how to 
 listen to music if you listen toyour music in stereo or in surround sound 
 that is your prefference.  I used to have a pioneer surround sound system it 
 was the htp 55 and I did like to listen to music in surround sound I liked 
 the concert hall effect and all of the seperation and the acoostic effects.  
 in my opinion that is the only to listen to music in full surround sound you 
 just can't get that kind of sound from stereo speakers iI do like to hear 
 good stereo speakers but there is no compearason to listening to music in 
 surroundsound.
 On 5/26/2014 2:54 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
 You're right, they don't like surround-sound and they do have a point.
 
 Surround-Sound systems are not designed for pure music listening, you're 
 better off with a good stereo amp and a good pair of stereo speakers for 
 doing things like that and here's their point, for the cost of a 
 surround-sound system you can buy better sound stereo amp and speakers.
 
 In short, surround-sound is for entertaining and enjoyable listening.
 
 
 On 26 May 2014, at 4:52 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote:
 
 Well it's too bad some people are like that.  I don't think audiophiles 
 would like surround sound.  Someone told me once that when you add more 
 speakers to the mix with surround sound, there is some loss of quality. 
 Heck, I even used to use a graphics equalizer with one piece of equipment I 
 had, but when I bought surround sound, the equalizer made things sound 
 distored, so I quit using it.  Audiophiles don't like graphic equalizers.
 - Original Message - From: Hamit Campos hamitcam...@gmail.com
 To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org
 Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 8:49 AM
 Subject: RE: Bose Soundlink 3
 
 
 I know audiophiles don't like them. I've seen it on youtube. People make 
 fun
 of people, people say the no highs, no lows, it must be Bose joke, and 
 hell,
 I've even seen death threats.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane
 Trethowan
 Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 2:11 AM
 To: PC Audio Discussion List
 Subject: Re: Bose Soundlink 3
 
 As much as Bose users won't like to hear it, you won't find a Bose system 
 or
 product mentioned in an audiophile magazine but that's nice to say their
 products are cheap, nasty and rubbish because that just isn't the case.
 
 The products are reasonable at worst and the company is very good to deal
 with, or it is here at any rate.
 
 I've been able to try before I buy the products I have in my own home, 
 there
 was one product I didn't like and I told Bose so after the trial, they made
 arrangements to pick the product up from me and I was given a refund of the
 purchase price, no questions asked.
 
 I had a problem with my Bose Soundlink Air and a pickup of the old and
 delivery of the new replacement was arranged, again no questions asked, no
 hitches etc, I just had to identify who I was.
 
 
 On 25 May 2014, at 4:08 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote:
 
 I guess people say that you get what you pay for, and maybe it's worth
 it.  - Original Message - From: Mary Otten
 maryot...@comcast.net
 To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
 Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 7:25 PM
 Subject: Bose Soundlink 3
 
 
 I wonder if anybody on list owns this speaker from Bose. It costs $300.
 I saw one briefly last evening at the Verizon store, as I was
 purchasing my new iPhone and was pretty impressed with the sound,
 given the size of the box. I really haven't looked all that much in
 to this sort of speaker. I have an older dock that works with the
 older style iPhone connectors, and it really sounds pretty good, but
 my better half has sort of taken it over for use in his class-room.
 So I'd like to know from those who have experienced this equipment,
 what did you think, and are there other units you'd recommend as good
 competition? I like the size and the volume and depth of sound, but
 am not thrilled with the $300 price tag, naturally.
 Mary
 
 
 **
 
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 Skype: grtdane12
 Phone US (213) 438-9741
 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589
 Mobile: +61400494862
 faceTime +61400494862
 Fax +61397437954
 Twitter: @grtdane
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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 Skype: grtdane12
 Phone US (213) 438-9741
 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589
 Mobile: +61400494862
 faceTime +61400494862
 Fax +61397437954
 Twitter: @grtdane
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


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Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
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Re: listen to music in surrround sound

2014-05-26 Thread Matthew Chao
Hi, Folks.  Another point:  not all music is formatted to be actually 
surround-sound playable.  For example, you may have a surround-sound 
system, but the CD may not have all the surround-sound channels.


Matthew Chao

At 09:17 AM 5/26/2014, you wrote:
   Hi this is Brian Sackrider and it is a matter of prefference on 
how to listen to music if you listen toyour music in stereo or in 
surround sound that is your prefference.  I used to have a pioneer 
surround sound system it was the htp 55 and I did like to listen to 
music in surround sound I liked the concert hall effect and all of 
the seperation and the acoostic effects.  in my opinion that is the 
only to listen to music in full surround sound you just can't get 
that kind of sound from stereo speakers iI do like to hear good 
stereo speakers but there is no compearason to listening to music 
in surroundsound.

On 5/26/2014 2:54 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

You're right, they don't like surround-sound and they do have a point.

Surround-Sound systems are not designed for pure music listening, 
you're better off with a good stereo amp and a good pair of stereo 
speakers for doing things like that and here's their point, for the 
cost of a surround-sound system you can buy better sound stereo amp 
and speakers.


In short, surround-sound is for entertaining and enjoyable listening.


On 26 May 2014, at 4:52 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote:

Well it's too bad some people are like that.  I don't think 
audiophiles would like surround sound.  Someone told me once that 
when you add more speakers to the mix with surround sound, there 
is some loss of quality. Heck, I even used to use a graphics 
equalizer with one piece of equipment I had, but when I bought 
surround sound, the equalizer made things sound distored, so I 
quit using it.  Audiophiles don't like graphic equalizers.

- Original Message - From: Hamit Campos hamitcam...@gmail.com
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 8:49 AM
Subject: RE: Bose Soundlink 3


I know audiophiles don't like them. I've seen it on youtube. 
People make fun
of people, people say the no highs, no lows, it must be Bose 
joke, and hell,

I've even seen death threats.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane
Trethowan
Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 2:11 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Bose Soundlink 3

As much as Bose users won't like to hear it, you won't find a 
Bose system or

product mentioned in an audiophile magazine but that's nice to say their
products are cheap, nasty and rubbish because that just isn't the case.

The products are reasonable at worst and the company is very good to deal
with, or it is here at any rate.

I've been able to try before I buy the products I have in my own 
home, there

was one product I didn't like and I told Bose so after the trial, they made
arrangements to pick the product up from me and I was given a refund of the
purchase price, no questions asked.

I had a problem with my Bose Soundlink Air and a pickup of the old and
delivery of the new replacement was arranged, again no questions asked, no
hitches etc, I just had to identify who I was.


On 25 May 2014, at 4:08 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote:


I guess people say that you get what you pay for, and maybe it's worth
it.  - Original Message - From: Mary Otten
maryot...@comcast.net
To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 7:25 PM
Subject: Bose Soundlink 3



I wonder if anybody on list owns this speaker from Bose. It costs $300.
I saw one briefly last evening at the Verizon store, as I was
purchasing my new iPhone and was pretty impressed with the sound,
given the size of the box. I really haven't looked all that much in
to this sort of speaker. I have an older dock that works with the
older style iPhone connectors, and it really sounds pretty good, but
my better half has sort of taken it over for use in his class-room.
So I'd like to know from those who have experienced this equipment,
what did you think, and are there other units you'd recommend as good
competition? I like the size and the volume and depth of sound, but
am not thrilled with the $300 price tag, naturally.
Mary


**

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Skype: grtdane12
Phone US (213) 438-9741
Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589
Mobile: +61400494862
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Fax +61397437954
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Phone US (213) 438-9741
Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
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Re: listen to music in surrround sound

2014-05-26 Thread Dane Trethowan
In which case either 2 things will happen depending on how the user has set 
things up.

Either the CD player will play through left and right channels - stereo - or it 
will be played using a simulated surround-sound mode using the Digital Signal 
Processor of the surround sound unit, in other words if your system is going to 
be used for music then a Surround sound system is most likely not your style.


On 26 May 2014, at 11:56 pm, Matthew Chao mattc...@verizon.net wrote:

 Hi, Folks.  Another point:  not all music is formatted to be actually 
 surround-sound playable.  For example, you may have a surround-sound system, 
 but the CD may not have all the surround-sound channels.
 
 Matthew Chao
 
 At 09:17 AM 5/26/2014, you wrote:
   Hi this is Brian Sackrider and it is a matter of prefference on how to 
 listen to music if you listen toyour music in stereo or in surround sound 
 that is your prefference.  I used to have a pioneer surround sound system it 
 was the htp 55 and I did like to listen to music in surround sound I liked 
 the concert hall effect and all of the seperation and the acoostic effects.  
 in my opinion that is the only to listen to music in full surround sound you 
 just can't get that kind of sound from stereo speakers iI do like to hear 
 good stereo speakers but there is no compearason to listening to music in 
 surroundsound.
 On 5/26/2014 2:54 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
 You're right, they don't like surround-sound and they do have a point.
 
 Surround-Sound systems are not designed for pure music listening, you're 
 better off with a good stereo amp and a good pair of stereo speakers for 
 doing things like that and here's their point, for the cost of a 
 surround-sound system you can buy better sound stereo amp and speakers.
 
 In short, surround-sound is for entertaining and enjoyable listening.
 
 
 On 26 May 2014, at 4:52 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote:
 
 Well it's too bad some people are like that.  I don't think audiophiles 
 would like surround sound.  Someone told me once that when you add more 
 speakers to the mix with surround sound, there is some loss of quality. 
 Heck, I even used to use a graphics equalizer with one piece of equipment 
 I had, but when I bought surround sound, the equalizer made things sound 
 distored, so I quit using it.  Audiophiles don't like graphic equalizers.
 - Original Message - From: Hamit Campos hamitcam...@gmail.com
 To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org
 Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 8:49 AM
 Subject: RE: Bose Soundlink 3
 
 
 I know audiophiles don't like them. I've seen it on youtube. People make 
 fun
 of people, people say the no highs, no lows, it must be Bose joke, and 
 hell,
 I've even seen death threats.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane
 Trethowan
 Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 2:11 AM
 To: PC Audio Discussion List
 Subject: Re: Bose Soundlink 3
 
 As much as Bose users won't like to hear it, you won't find a Bose system 
 or
 product mentioned in an audiophile magazine but that's nice to say their
 products are cheap, nasty and rubbish because that just isn't the case.
 
 The products are reasonable at worst and the company is very good to deal
 with, or it is here at any rate.
 
 I've been able to try before I buy the products I have in my own home, 
 there
 was one product I didn't like and I told Bose so after the trial, they 
 made
 arrangements to pick the product up from me and I was given a refund of 
 the
 purchase price, no questions asked.
 
 I had a problem with my Bose Soundlink Air and a pickup of the old and
 delivery of the new replacement was arranged, again no questions asked, no
 hitches etc, I just had to identify who I was.
 
 
 On 25 May 2014, at 4:08 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote:
 
 I guess people say that you get what you pay for, and maybe it's worth
 it.  - Original Message - From: Mary Otten
 maryot...@comcast.net
 To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
 Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 7:25 PM
 Subject: Bose Soundlink 3
 
 
 I wonder if anybody on list owns this speaker from Bose. It costs $300.
 I saw one briefly last evening at the Verizon store, as I was
 purchasing my new iPhone and was pretty impressed with the sound,
 given the size of the box. I really haven't looked all that much in
 to this sort of speaker. I have an older dock that works with the
 older style iPhone connectors, and it really sounds pretty good, but
 my better half has sort of taken it over for use in his class-room.
 So I'd like to know from those who have experienced this equipment,
 what did you think, and are there other units you'd recommend as good
 competition? I like the size and the volume and depth of sound, but
 am not thrilled with the $300 price tag, naturally.
 Mary
 
 **
 
 Dane Trethowan
 Skype: grtdane12
 Phone US (213) 438-9741
 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589
 

Re: listen to music in surrround sound

2014-05-26 Thread Gary Wood

I agree.
- Original Message - 
From: brian sackrider n8...@comcast.net

To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 8:17 AM
Subject: listen to music in surrround sound


   Hi this is Brian Sackrider and it is a matter of prefference on how to 
listen to music if you listen toyour music in stereo or in surround sound 
that is your prefference.  I used to have a pioneer surround sound system 
it was the htp 55 and I did like to listen to music in surround sound I 
liked the concert hall effect and all of the seperation and the acoostic 
effects.  in my opinion that is the only to listen to music in full 
surround sound you just can't get that kind of sound from stereo speakers 
iI do like to hear good stereo speakers but there is no compearason to 
listening to music in surroundsound.

On 5/26/2014 2:54 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

You're right, they don't like surround-sound and they do have a point.

Surround-Sound systems are not designed for pure music listening, you're 
better off with a good stereo amp and a good pair of stereo speakers for 
doing things like that and here's their point, for the cost of a 
surround-sound system you can buy better sound stereo amp and speakers.


In short, surround-sound is for entertaining and enjoyable listening.


On 26 May 2014, at 4:52 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote:

Well it's too bad some people are like that.  I don't think audiophiles 
would like surround sound.  Someone told me once that when you add more 
speakers to the mix with surround sound, there is some loss of quality. 
Heck, I even used to use a graphics equalizer with one piece of 
equipment I had, but when I bought surround sound, the equalizer made 
things sound distored, so I quit using it.  Audiophiles don't like 
graphic equalizers.
- Original Message - From: Hamit Campos 
hamitcam...@gmail.com

To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 8:49 AM
Subject: RE: Bose Soundlink 3


I know audiophiles don't like them. I've seen it on youtube. People 
make fun
of people, people say the no highs, no lows, it must be Bose joke, and 
hell,

I've even seen death threats.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane
Trethowan
Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 2:11 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Bose Soundlink 3

As much as Bose users won't like to hear it, you won't find a Bose 
system or
product mentioned in an audiophile magazine but that's nice to say 
their

products are cheap, nasty and rubbish because that just isn't the case.

The products are reasonable at worst and the company is very good to 
deal

with, or it is here at any rate.

I've been able to try before I buy the products I have in my own home, 
there
was one product I didn't like and I told Bose so after the trial, they 
made
arrangements to pick the product up from me and I was given a refund of 
the

purchase price, no questions asked.

I had a problem with my Bose Soundlink Air and a pickup of the old and
delivery of the new replacement was arranged, again no questions asked, 
no

hitches etc, I just had to identify who I was.


On 25 May 2014, at 4:08 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote:


I guess people say that you get what you pay for, and maybe it's worth
it.  - Original Message - From: Mary Otten
maryot...@comcast.net
To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 7:25 PM
Subject: Bose Soundlink 3


I wonder if anybody on list owns this speaker from Bose. It costs 
$300.

I saw one briefly last evening at the Verizon store, as I was
purchasing my new iPhone and was pretty impressed with the sound,
given the size of the box. I really haven't looked all that much in
to this sort of speaker. I have an older dock that works with the
older style iPhone connectors, and it really sounds pretty good, but
my better half has sort of taken it over for use in his class-room.
So I'd like to know from those who have experienced this equipment,
what did you think, and are there other units you'd recommend as good
competition? I like the size and the volume and depth of sound, but
am not thrilled with the $300 price tag, naturally.
Mary



**

Dane Trethowan
Skype: grtdane12
Phone US (213) 438-9741
Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589
Mobile: +61400494862
faceTime +61400494862
Fax +61397437954
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Skype: grtdane12
Phone US (213) 438-9741
Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589
Mobile: +61400494862
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Fax +61397437954
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Re: listen to music in surrround sound

2014-05-26 Thread Gary Wood

That may be true, but it's still a matter of choice, I believe.
- Original Message - 
From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net

To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 8:19 AM
Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound


The fact is - whether we like it or not - 99% of the recorded music on the 
Planet was never recorded for surround-sound systems, it was either recorded 
in stereo or Mono.



On 26 May 2014, at 11:17 pm, brian sackrider n8...@comcast.net wrote:

  Hi this is Brian Sackrider and it is a matter of prefference on how to 
listen to music if you listen toyour music in stereo or in surround sound 
that is your prefference.  I used to have a pioneer surround sound system 
it was the htp 55 and I did like to listen to music in surround sound I 
liked the concert hall effect and all of the seperation and the acoostic 
effects.  in my opinion that is the only to listen to music in full 
surround sound you just can't get that kind of sound from stereo speakers 
iI do like to hear good stereo speakers but there is no compearason to 
listening to music in surroundsound.

On 5/26/2014 2:54 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

You're right, they don't like surround-sound and they do have a point.

Surround-Sound systems are not designed for pure music listening, you're 
better off with a good stereo amp and a good pair of stereo speakers for 
doing things like that and here's their point, for the cost of a 
surround-sound system you can buy better sound stereo amp and speakers.


In short, surround-sound is for entertaining and enjoyable listening.


On 26 May 2014, at 4:52 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote:

Well it's too bad some people are like that.  I don't think audiophiles 
would like surround sound.  Someone told me once that when you add more 
speakers to the mix with surround sound, there is some loss of quality. 
Heck, I even used to use a graphics equalizer with one piece of 
equipment I had, but when I bought surround sound, the equalizer made 
things sound distored, so I quit using it.  Audiophiles don't like 
graphic equalizers.
- Original Message - From: Hamit Campos 
hamitcam...@gmail.com

To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 8:49 AM
Subject: RE: Bose Soundlink 3


I know audiophiles don't like them. I've seen it on youtube. People 
make fun
of people, people say the no highs, no lows, it must be Bose joke, and 
hell,

I've even seen death threats.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane
Trethowan
Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 2:11 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Bose Soundlink 3

As much as Bose users won't like to hear it, you won't find a Bose 
system or
product mentioned in an audiophile magazine but that's nice to say 
their

products are cheap, nasty and rubbish because that just isn't the case.

The products are reasonable at worst and the company is very good to 
deal

with, or it is here at any rate.

I've been able to try before I buy the products I have in my own home, 
there
was one product I didn't like and I told Bose so after the trial, they 
made
arrangements to pick the product up from me and I was given a refund of 
the

purchase price, no questions asked.

I had a problem with my Bose Soundlink Air and a pickup of the old and
delivery of the new replacement was arranged, again no questions asked, 
no

hitches etc, I just had to identify who I was.


On 25 May 2014, at 4:08 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote:


I guess people say that you get what you pay for, and maybe it's worth
it.  - Original Message - From: Mary Otten
maryot...@comcast.net
To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 7:25 PM
Subject: Bose Soundlink 3


I wonder if anybody on list owns this speaker from Bose. It costs 
$300.

I saw one briefly last evening at the Verizon store, as I was
purchasing my new iPhone and was pretty impressed with the sound,
given the size of the box. I really haven't looked all that much in
to this sort of speaker. I have an older dock that works with the
older style iPhone connectors, and it really sounds pretty good, but
my better half has sort of taken it over for use in his class-room.
So I'd like to know from those who have experienced this equipment,
what did you think, and are there other units you'd recommend as good
competition? I like the size and the volume and depth of sound, but
am not thrilled with the $300 price tag, naturally.
Mary



**

Dane Trethowan
Skype: grtdane12
Phone US (213) 438-9741
Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589
Mobile: +61400494862
faceTime +61400494862
Fax +61397437954
Twitter: @grtdane









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Skype: grtdane12
Phone US (213) 438-9741
Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589
Mobile: +61400494862
faceTime +61400494862
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Re: listen to music in surrround sound

2014-05-26 Thread Dane Trethowan
And who has said that it wasn't?

On 27 May 2014, at 12:35 am, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote:

 That may be true, but it's still a matter of choice, I believe.
 - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net
 To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
 Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 8:19 AM
 Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound
 
 
 The fact is - whether we like it or not - 99% of the recorded music on the 
 Planet was never recorded for surround-sound systems, it was either recorded 
 in stereo or Mono.
 
 
 On 26 May 2014, at 11:17 pm, brian sackrider n8...@comcast.net wrote:
 
  Hi this is Brian Sackrider and it is a matter of prefference on how to 
 listen to music if you listen toyour music in stereo or in surround sound 
 that is your prefference.  I used to have a pioneer surround sound system it 
 was the htp 55 and I did like to listen to music in surround sound I liked 
 the concert hall effect and all of the seperation and the acoostic effects.  
 in my opinion that is the only to listen to music in full surround sound you 
 just can't get that kind of sound from stereo speakers iI do like to hear 
 good stereo speakers but there is no compearason to listening to music in 
 surroundsound.
 On 5/26/2014 2:54 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
 You're right, they don't like surround-sound and they do have a point.
 
 Surround-Sound systems are not designed for pure music listening, you're 
 better off with a good stereo amp and a good pair of stereo speakers for 
 doing things like that and here's their point, for the cost of a 
 surround-sound system you can buy better sound stereo amp and speakers.
 
 In short, surround-sound is for entertaining and enjoyable listening.
 
 
 On 26 May 2014, at 4:52 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote:
 
 Well it's too bad some people are like that.  I don't think audiophiles 
 would like surround sound.  Someone told me once that when you add more 
 speakers to the mix with surround sound, there is some loss of quality. 
 Heck, I even used to use a graphics equalizer with one piece of equipment 
 I had, but when I bought surround sound, the equalizer made things sound 
 distored, so I quit using it.  Audiophiles don't like graphic equalizers.
 - Original Message - From: Hamit Campos hamitcam...@gmail.com
 To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org
 Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 8:49 AM
 Subject: RE: Bose Soundlink 3
 
 
 I know audiophiles don't like them. I've seen it on youtube. People make 
 fun
 of people, people say the no highs, no lows, it must be Bose joke, and 
 hell,
 I've even seen death threats.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane
 Trethowan
 Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 2:11 AM
 To: PC Audio Discussion List
 Subject: Re: Bose Soundlink 3
 
 As much as Bose users won't like to hear it, you won't find a Bose system 
 or
 product mentioned in an audiophile magazine but that's nice to say their
 products are cheap, nasty and rubbish because that just isn't the case.
 
 The products are reasonable at worst and the company is very good to deal
 with, or it is here at any rate.
 
 I've been able to try before I buy the products I have in my own home, 
 there
 was one product I didn't like and I told Bose so after the trial, they 
 made
 arrangements to pick the product up from me and I was given a refund of 
 the
 purchase price, no questions asked.
 
 I had a problem with my Bose Soundlink Air and a pickup of the old and
 delivery of the new replacement was arranged, again no questions asked, no
 hitches etc, I just had to identify who I was.
 
 
 On 25 May 2014, at 4:08 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote:
 
 I guess people say that you get what you pay for, and maybe it's worth
 it.  - Original Message - From: Mary Otten
 maryot...@comcast.net
 To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
 Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 7:25 PM
 Subject: Bose Soundlink 3
 
 
 I wonder if anybody on list owns this speaker from Bose. It costs $300.
 I saw one briefly last evening at the Verizon store, as I was
 purchasing my new iPhone and was pretty impressed with the sound,
 given the size of the box. I really haven't looked all that much in
 to this sort of speaker. I have an older dock that works with the
 older style iPhone connectors, and it really sounds pretty good, but
 my better half has sort of taken it over for use in his class-room.
 So I'd like to know from those who have experienced this equipment,
 what did you think, and are there other units you'd recommend as good
 competition? I like the size and the volume and depth of sound, but
 am not thrilled with the $300 price tag, naturally.
 Mary
 
 
 **
 
 Dane Trethowan
 Skype: grtdane12
 Phone US (213) 438-9741
 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589
 Mobile: +61400494862
 faceTime +61400494862
 Fax +61397437954
 Twitter: @grtdane

RE: listen to music in surrround sound

2014-05-26 Thread Hamit Campos
This is perhaps so, but my test with the Bose Lifestyle V35 showed it split
the music quite well despite not having the real 5.1 data.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Matthew
Chao
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 9:57 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound

Hi, Folks.  Another point:  not all music is formatted to be actually
surround-sound playable.  For example, you may have a surround-sound system,
but the CD may not have all the surround-sound channels.

Matthew Chao

At 09:17 AM 5/26/2014, you wrote:
Hi this is Brian Sackrider and it is a matter of prefference on  
how to listen to music if you listen toyour music in stereo or in  
surround sound that is your prefference.  I used to have a pioneer  
surround sound system it was the htp 55 and I did like to listen to  
music in surround sound I liked the concert hall effect and all of  the 
seperation and the acoostic effects.  in my opinion that is the  only 
to listen to music in full surround sound you just can't get  that kind 
of sound from stereo speakers iI do like to hear good  stereo speakers 
but there is no compearason to listening to music  in surroundsound.
On 5/26/2014 2:54 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
You're right, they don't like surround-sound and they do have a point.

Surround-Sound systems are not designed for pure music listening, 
you're better off with a good stereo amp and a good pair of stereo 
speakers for doing things like that and here's their point, for the 
cost of a surround-sound system you can buy better sound stereo amp 
and speakers.

In short, surround-sound is for entertaining and enjoyable listening.


On 26 May 2014, at 4:52 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote:

Well it's too bad some people are like that.  I don't think 
audiophiles would like surround sound.  Someone told me once that 
when you add more speakers to the mix with surround sound, there is 
some loss of quality. Heck, I even used to use a graphics equalizer 
with one piece of equipment I had, but when I bought surround sound, 
the equalizer made things sound distored, so I quit using it.  
Audiophiles don't like graphic equalizers.
- Original Message - From: Hamit Campos 
hamitcam...@gmail.com
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 8:49 AM
Subject: RE: Bose Soundlink 3


I know audiophiles don't like them. I've seen it on youtube. 
People make fun
of people, people say the no highs, no lows, it must be Bose joke, 
and hell, I've even seen death threats.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
Dane Trethowan
Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 2:11 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Bose Soundlink 3

As much as Bose users won't like to hear it, you won't find a Bose 
system or product mentioned in an audiophile magazine but that's 
nice to say their products are cheap, nasty and rubbish because that 
just isn't the case.

The products are reasonable at worst and the company is very good to 
deal with, or it is here at any rate.

I've been able to try before I buy the products I have in my own 
home, there was one product I didn't like and I told Bose so after 
the trial, they made arrangements to pick the product up from me and 
I was given a refund of the purchase price, no questions asked.

I had a problem with my Bose Soundlink Air and a pickup of the old 
and delivery of the new replacement was arranged, again no questions 
asked, no hitches etc, I just had to identify who I was.


On 25 May 2014, at 4:08 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote:

I guess people say that you get what you pay for, and maybe it's 
worth it.  - Original Message - From: Mary Otten
maryot...@comcast.net
To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 7:25 PM
Subject: Bose Soundlink 3


I wonder if anybody on list owns this speaker from Bose. It costs
$300.
I saw one briefly last evening at the Verizon store, as I was 
purchasing my new iPhone and was pretty impressed with the sound, 
given the size of the box. I really haven't looked all that much 
in to this sort of speaker. I have an older dock that works with 
the older style iPhone connectors, and it really sounds pretty 
good, but my better half has sort of taken it over for use in his
class-room.
So I'd like to know from those who have experienced this 
equipment, what did you think, and are there other units you'd 
recommend as good competition? I like the size and the volume and 
depth of sound, but am not thrilled with the $300 price tag,
naturally.
Mary

**

Dane Trethowan
Skype: grtdane12
Phone US (213) 438-9741
Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589
Mobile: +61400494862
faceTime +61400494862
Fax +61397437954
Twitter: @grtdane





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Skype: grtdane12
Phone US (213) 438-9741
Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
Phone Australia (03) 9005

Re: listen to music in surrround sound

2014-05-26 Thread Gary Wood

I'm sure nobody.
- Original Message - 
From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net

To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound


And who has said that it wasn't?

On 27 May 2014, at 12:35 am, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote:


That may be true, but it's still a matter of choice, I believe.
- Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan 
grtd...@internode.on.net

To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 8:19 AM
Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound


The fact is - whether we like it or not - 99% of the recorded music on the 
Planet was never recorded for surround-sound systems, it was either 
recorded in stereo or Mono.



On 26 May 2014, at 11:17 pm, brian sackrider n8...@comcast.net wrote:

 Hi this is Brian Sackrider and it is a matter of prefference on how to 
listen to music if you listen toyour music in stereo or in surround sound 
that is your prefference.  I used to have a pioneer surround sound system 
it was the htp 55 and I did like to listen to music in surround sound I 
liked the concert hall effect and all of the seperation and the acoostic 
effects.  in my opinion that is the only to listen to music in full 
surround sound you just can't get that kind of sound from stereo speakers 
iI do like to hear good stereo speakers but there is no compearason to 
listening to music in surroundsound.

On 5/26/2014 2:54 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

You're right, they don't like surround-sound and they do have a point.

Surround-Sound systems are not designed for pure music listening, you're 
better off with a good stereo amp and a good pair of stereo speakers for 
doing things like that and here's their point, for the cost of a 
surround-sound system you can buy better sound stereo amp and speakers.


In short, surround-sound is for entertaining and enjoyable listening.


On 26 May 2014, at 4:52 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote:

Well it's too bad some people are like that.  I don't think audiophiles 
would like surround sound.  Someone told me once that when you add more 
speakers to the mix with surround sound, there is some loss of quality. 
Heck, I even used to use a graphics equalizer with one piece of 
equipment I had, but when I bought surround sound, the equalizer made 
things sound distored, so I quit using it.  Audiophiles don't like 
graphic equalizers.
- Original Message - From: Hamit Campos 
hamitcam...@gmail.com

To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 8:49 AM
Subject: RE: Bose Soundlink 3


I know audiophiles don't like them. I've seen it on youtube. People 
make fun
of people, people say the no highs, no lows, it must be Bose joke, and 
hell,

I've even seen death threats.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
Dane

Trethowan
Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 2:11 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Bose Soundlink 3

As much as Bose users won't like to hear it, you won't find a Bose 
system or
product mentioned in an audiophile magazine but that's nice to say 
their
products are cheap, nasty and rubbish because that just isn't the 
case.


The products are reasonable at worst and the company is very good to 
deal

with, or it is here at any rate.

I've been able to try before I buy the products I have in my own home, 
there
was one product I didn't like and I told Bose so after the trial, they 
made
arrangements to pick the product up from me and I was given a refund 
of the

purchase price, no questions asked.

I had a problem with my Bose Soundlink Air and a pickup of the old and
delivery of the new replacement was arranged, again no questions 
asked, no

hitches etc, I just had to identify who I was.


On 25 May 2014, at 4:08 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote:

I guess people say that you get what you pay for, and maybe it's 
worth

it.  - Original Message - From: Mary Otten
maryot...@comcast.net
To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 7:25 PM
Subject: Bose Soundlink 3


I wonder if anybody on list owns this speaker from Bose. It costs 
$300.

I saw one briefly last evening at the Verizon store, as I was
purchasing my new iPhone and was pretty impressed with the sound,
given the size of the box. I really haven't looked all that much in
to this sort of speaker. I have an older dock that works with the
older style iPhone connectors, and it really sounds pretty good, but
my better half has sort of taken it over for use in his class-room.
So I'd like to know from those who have experienced this equipment,
what did you think, and are there other units you'd recommend as 
good

competition? I like the size and the volume and depth of sound, but
am not thrilled with the $300 price tag, naturally.
Mary



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Phone U.K. 01245 79

RE: listen to music in surrround sound

2014-05-26 Thread Hamit Campos
Especially if you have a real good system. I would use the Lifestyle V35 if
I had one.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of brian
sackrider
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 9:17 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: listen to music in surrround sound

Hi this is Brian Sackrider and it is a matter of prefference on how to
listen to music if you listen toyour music in stereo or in surround sound
that is your prefference.  I used to have a pioneer surround sound system it
was the htp 55 and I did like to listen to music in surround sound I liked
the concert hall effect and all of the seperation and the acoostic effects.
in my opinion that is the only to listen to music in full surround sound you
just can't get that kind of sound from stereo speakers iI do like to hear
good stereo speakers but there is no compearason to listening to music in
surroundsound.
On 5/26/2014 2:54 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
 You're right, they don't like surround-sound and they do have a point.

 Surround-Sound systems are not designed for pure music listening, you're
better off with a good stereo amp and a good pair of stereo speakers for
doing things like that and here's their point, for the cost of a
surround-sound system you can buy better sound stereo amp and speakers.

 In short, surround-sound is for entertaining and enjoyable listening.


 On 26 May 2014, at 4:52 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote:

 Well it's too bad some people are like that.  I don't think audiophiles
would like surround sound.  Someone told me once that when you add more
speakers to the mix with surround sound, there is some loss of quality.
Heck, I even used to use a graphics equalizer with one piece of equipment I
had, but when I bought surround sound, the equalizer made things sound
distored, so I quit using it.  Audiophiles don't like graphic equalizers.
 - Original Message - From: Hamit Campos 
 hamitcam...@gmail.com
 To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org
 Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 8:49 AM
 Subject: RE: Bose Soundlink 3


 I know audiophiles don't like them. I've seen it on youtube. People 
 make fun of people, people say the no highs, no lows, it must be 
 Bose joke, and hell, I've even seen death threats.

 -Original Message-
 From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
 Dane Trethowan
 Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 2:11 AM
 To: PC Audio Discussion List
 Subject: Re: Bose Soundlink 3

 As much as Bose users won't like to hear it, you won't find a Bose 
 system or product mentioned in an audiophile magazine but that's 
 nice to say their products are cheap, nasty and rubbish because that
just isn't the case.

 The products are reasonable at worst and the company is very good to 
 deal with, or it is here at any rate.

 I've been able to try before I buy the products I have in my own 
 home, there was one product I didn't like and I told Bose so after 
 the trial, they made arrangements to pick the product up from me and 
 I was given a refund of the purchase price, no questions asked.

 I had a problem with my Bose Soundlink Air and a pickup of the old 
 and delivery of the new replacement was arranged, again no questions 
 asked, no hitches etc, I just had to identify who I was.


 On 25 May 2014, at 4:08 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote:

 I guess people say that you get what you pay for, and maybe it's 
 worth it.  - Original Message - From: Mary Otten
 maryot...@comcast.net
 To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
 Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 7:25 PM
 Subject: Bose Soundlink 3


 I wonder if anybody on list owns this speaker from Bose. It costs
$300.
 I saw one briefly last evening at the Verizon store, as I was 
 purchasing my new iPhone and was pretty impressed with the sound, 
 given the size of the box. I really haven't looked all that much 
 in to this sort of speaker. I have an older dock that works with 
 the older style iPhone connectors, and it really sounds pretty 
 good, but my better half has sort of taken it over for use in his
class-room.
 So I'd like to know from those who have experienced this 
 equipment, what did you think, and are there other units you'd 
 recommend as good competition? I like the size and the volume and 
 depth of sound, but am not thrilled with the $300 price tag,
naturally.
 Mary


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Re: listen to music in surrround sound

2014-05-26 Thread Dane Trethowan
Ah, I see where you're coming from.

Well an audiophile has never - to my knowledge at any rate - said there wasn't 
or isn't a choice, the only point most make is that Surround-Sound gear is not 
really the type of stuff for the lovers of good music and as I said earlier, 
the consumer can buy something that sounds very good in stereo for the price of 
a cheap surround-sound system so I take the point and the choice is yours.


On 27 May 2014, at 1:18 am, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote:

 I'm sure nobody.
 - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net
 To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
 Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 9:36 AM
 Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound
 
 
 And who has said that it wasn't?
 
 On 27 May 2014, at 12:35 am, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote:
 
 That may be true, but it's still a matter of choice, I believe.
 - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan 
 grtd...@internode.on.net
 To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
 Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 8:19 AM
 Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound
 
 
 The fact is - whether we like it or not - 99% of the recorded music on the 
 Planet was never recorded for surround-sound systems, it was either recorded 
 in stereo or Mono.
 
 
 On 26 May 2014, at 11:17 pm, brian sackrider n8...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Hi this is Brian Sackrider and it is a matter of prefference on how to 
 listen to music if you listen toyour music in stereo or in surround sound 
 that is your prefference.  I used to have a pioneer surround sound system 
 it was the htp 55 and I did like to listen to music in surround sound I 
 liked the concert hall effect and all of the seperation and the acoostic 
 effects.  in my opinion that is the only to listen to music in full 
 surround sound you just can't get that kind of sound from stereo speakers 
 iI do like to hear good stereo speakers but there is no compearason to 
 listening to music in surroundsound.
 On 5/26/2014 2:54 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
 You're right, they don't like surround-sound and they do have a point.
 
 Surround-Sound systems are not designed for pure music listening, you're 
 better off with a good stereo amp and a good pair of stereo speakers for 
 doing things like that and here's their point, for the cost of a 
 surround-sound system you can buy better sound stereo amp and speakers.
 
 In short, surround-sound is for entertaining and enjoyable listening.
 
 
 On 26 May 2014, at 4:52 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote:
 
 Well it's too bad some people are like that.  I don't think audiophiles 
 would like surround sound.  Someone told me once that when you add more 
 speakers to the mix with surround sound, there is some loss of quality. 
 Heck, I even used to use a graphics equalizer with one piece of equipment 
 I had, but when I bought surround sound, the equalizer made things sound 
 distored, so I quit using it.  Audiophiles don't like graphic equalizers.
 - Original Message - From: Hamit Campos hamitcam...@gmail.com
 To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org
 Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 8:49 AM
 Subject: RE: Bose Soundlink 3
 
 
 I know audiophiles don't like them. I've seen it on youtube. People make 
 fun
 of people, people say the no highs, no lows, it must be Bose joke, and 
 hell,
 I've even seen death threats.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane
 Trethowan
 Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 2:11 AM
 To: PC Audio Discussion List
 Subject: Re: Bose Soundlink 3
 
 As much as Bose users won't like to hear it, you won't find a Bose 
 system or
 product mentioned in an audiophile magazine but that's nice to say their
 products are cheap, nasty and rubbish because that just isn't the case.
 
 The products are reasonable at worst and the company is very good to deal
 with, or it is here at any rate.
 
 I've been able to try before I buy the products I have in my own home, 
 there
 was one product I didn't like and I told Bose so after the trial, they 
 made
 arrangements to pick the product up from me and I was given a refund of 
 the
 purchase price, no questions asked.
 
 I had a problem with my Bose Soundlink Air and a pickup of the old and
 delivery of the new replacement was arranged, again no questions asked, 
 no
 hitches etc, I just had to identify who I was.
 
 
 On 25 May 2014, at 4:08 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote:
 
 I guess people say that you get what you pay for, and maybe it's worth
 it.  - Original Message - From: Mary Otten
 maryot...@comcast.net
 To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
 Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 7:25 PM
 Subject: Bose Soundlink 3
 
 
 I wonder if anybody on list owns this speaker from Bose. It costs $300.
 I saw one briefly last evening at the Verizon store, as I was
 purchasing my new iPhone and was pretty impressed with the sound,
 given the size of the box. I really haven't looked all

Re: listen to music in surrround sound

2014-05-26 Thread Gary Wood
Well the first system was a Pioneer.  Then when digital came out, I decided 
on an Onkyo.  It seems like systems I've cost around $300, U.S. for these.
- Original Message - 
From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net

To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 5:53 PM
Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound


Ah, I see where you're coming from.

Well an audiophile has never - to my knowledge at any rate - said there 
wasn't or isn't a choice, the only point most make is that Surround-Sound 
gear is not really the type of stuff for the lovers of good music and as I 
said earlier, the consumer can buy something that sounds very good in stereo 
for the price of a cheap surround-sound system so I take the point and the 
choice is yours.



On 27 May 2014, at 1:18 am, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote:


I'm sure nobody.
- Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan 
grtd...@internode.on.net

To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound


And who has said that it wasn't?

On 27 May 2014, at 12:35 am, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote:


That may be true, but it's still a matter of choice, I believe.
- Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan 
grtd...@internode.on.net

To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 8:19 AM
Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound


The fact is - whether we like it or not - 99% of the recorded music on 
the Planet was never recorded for surround-sound systems, it was either 
recorded in stereo or Mono.



On 26 May 2014, at 11:17 pm, brian sackrider n8...@comcast.net wrote:

Hi this is Brian Sackrider and it is a matter of prefference on how to 
listen to music if you listen toyour music in stereo or in surround 
sound that is your prefference.  I used to have a pioneer surround sound 
system it was the htp 55 and I did like to listen to music in surround 
sound I liked the concert hall effect and all of the seperation and the 
acoostic effects.  in my opinion that is the only to listen to music in 
full surround sound you just can't get that kind of sound from stereo 
speakers iI do like to hear good stereo speakers but there is no 
compearason to listening to music in surroundsound.

On 5/26/2014 2:54 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

You're right, they don't like surround-sound and they do have a point.

Surround-Sound systems are not designed for pure music listening, 
you're better off with a good stereo amp and a good pair of stereo 
speakers for doing things like that and here's their point, for the 
cost of a surround-sound system you can buy better sound stereo amp and 
speakers.


In short, surround-sound is for entertaining and enjoyable listening.


On 26 May 2014, at 4:52 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote:

Well it's too bad some people are like that.  I don't think 
audiophiles would like surround sound.  Someone told me once that when 
you add more speakers to the mix with surround sound, there is some 
loss of quality. Heck, I even used to use a graphics equalizer with 
one piece of equipment I had, but when I bought surround sound, the 
equalizer made things sound distored, so I quit using it.  Audiophiles 
don't like graphic equalizers.
- Original Message - From: Hamit Campos 
hamitcam...@gmail.com

To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 8:49 AM
Subject: RE: Bose Soundlink 3


I know audiophiles don't like them. I've seen it on youtube. People 
make fun
of people, people say the no highs, no lows, it must be Bose joke, 
and hell,

I've even seen death threats.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
Dane

Trethowan
Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 2:11 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Bose Soundlink 3

As much as Bose users won't like to hear it, you won't find a Bose 
system or
product mentioned in an audiophile magazine but that's nice to say 
their
products are cheap, nasty and rubbish because that just isn't the 
case.


The products are reasonable at worst and the company is very good to 
deal

with, or it is here at any rate.

I've been able to try before I buy the products I have in my own 
home, there
was one product I didn't like and I told Bose so after the trial, 
they made
arrangements to pick the product up from me and I was given a refund 
of the

purchase price, no questions asked.

I had a problem with my Bose Soundlink Air and a pickup of the old 
and
delivery of the new replacement was arranged, again no questions 
asked, no

hitches etc, I just had to identify who I was.


On 25 May 2014, at 4:08 pm, Gary Wood k8...@att.net wrote:

I guess people say that you get what you pay for, and maybe it's 
worth

it.  - Original Message - From: Mary Otten
maryot...@comcast.net
To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 7:25