Re: [Pce] Scoping Items from draft-koldychev-pce-operational

2022-09-30 Thread tom petch
From: Pce  on behalf of julien.meu...@orange.com 

Sent: 29 September 2022 09:37

Dear PCE WG,

Let's follow up on the discussion started during IETF 114 about
draft-koldychev-pce-operational [1]. The I-D currently tackles different
issues about PCEP, some of them being informational, some other updating
existing PCEP specifications. Among the options we discussed to proceed
with this work, 2 remain:
1. Keep a single draft, but clearly separate the two types of content;
2. Break it up into 2 drafts.

We'd like to hear the WG's opinion whether you prefer:
a- a single standard track I-D, with both content types sharing fate
until publication?



Well, I think that you should be more concerned about fate sharing after 
publication, which, long as it may take to get there, can still be much shorter 
than the time after publication.   I think that there are plenty of documents 
where disparate information with different life cycles has been banged together 
creating future problems.  Here, I am not sure that this is the case.  The 
document is short and so a complete reissue should not be a lot of work which 
inclines me  towards a single I-D in two parts.

I wonder if during the course of preparation,  further issues arise so that the 
document may never be quite up-to-date, but that is hypothetical.

Tom Petch


b- a clarification I-D on informational track + an I-D updating PCEP on
standard track (possibly progressing at different paces)?

Please share your feedback using the PCE mailing list.

Thanks,

Dhruv & Julien


[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-koldychev-pce-operational/



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Re: [Pce] IPR Poll on draft-ietf-pce-pcep-yang

2022-09-30 Thread Jeff Tantsura
Hi,
I am not aware of any IPR applicable to this draft that should be disclosed
in accordance with IETF IPR rules.

Cheers,
Jeff

> On Sep 26, 2022, at 20:19, Hariharan Ananthakrishnan  wrote:
> 
> I am not aware of any IPR applicable to this draft that should be disclosed 
> in accordance with IETF IPR rules.
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[Pce] Lars Eggert's Discuss on draft-ietf-lsr-pce-discovery-security-support-11: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2022-09-30 Thread Lars Eggert via Datatracker
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DISCUSS:
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# GEN AD review of draft-ietf-lsr-pce-discovery-security-support-11

CC @larseggert

## Discuss

### Section 4, paragraph 3
```
 Section 4 of [RFC5088] states that no new sub-TLVs will be added to
 the PCED TLV, and no new PCE information will be carried in the
 Router Information LSA.  This document updates [RFC5088] by allowing
 the two sub-TLVs defined in this document to be carried in the PCED
 TLV advertised in the Router Information LSA.

 Section 4 of [RFC5089] states that no new sub-TLVs will be added to
 the PCED TLV, and no new PCE information will be carried in the
 Router CAPABLITY TLV.  This document updates [RFC5089] by allowing
 the two sub-TLVs defined in this document to be carried in the PCED
 TLV advertised in the Router CAPABILITY TLV.

 This introduction of additional sub-TLVs should be viewed as an
 exception to the [RFC5088][RFC5089] policy, justified by the
 requirement to discover the PCEP security support prior to
 establishing a PCEP session.  The restrictions defined in
 [RFC5089][RFC5089] should still be considered to be in place.
```
(This is mostly for discussion on the telechat, and I expect to clear
during the call.)

Why were 5088/89 so strict on not allowing new sub-TLVs? This seems
quite unusual for IETF specs. I'm not arguing that this document
can't update those earlier RFCs to allow these new sub-TLVs, but it
seems odd to do so and in the same sentence say "the restrictions
should still be considered in place."

### Section 8.2, paragraph 1
```
 The PCED sub-TLVs were defined in [RFC5088] and [RFC5089], but they
 did not create a registry for it.  This document requests IANA to
 create a new registry called "PCED sub-TLV type indicators" under the
 "Interior Gateway Protocol (IGP) Parameters" grouping.  The
 registration policy for this registry is "IETF Review" [RFC8126].
 Values in this registry come from the range 0-65535.
```
Should the registration policy not be stricter (e.g., Standards
Action?) given that 5088/89 didn't even allow any new values?


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COMMENT:
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## Comments

### Inclusive language

Found terminology that should be reviewed for inclusivity; see
https://www.rfc-editor.org/part2/#inclusive_language for background and more
guidance:

 * Term `master`; alternatives might be `active`, `central`, `initiator`,
   `leader`, `main`, `orchestrator`, `parent`, `primary`, `server`
 * Term `man`; alternatives might be `individual`, `people`, `person`

## Nits

All comments below are about very minor potential issues that you may choose to
address in some way - or ignore - as you see fit. Some were flagged by
automated tools (via https://github.com/larseggert/ietf-reviewtool), so there
will likely be some false positives. There is no need to let me know what you
did with these suggestions.

### URLs

These URLs in the document can probably be converted to HTTPS:

 * http://www.unicode.org/unicode/reports/tr36/

### Grammar/style

 "Abstract", paragraph 1
```
 for OSPF and IS-IS respectively. However these specifications lack a method
  ^^^
```
A comma may be missing after the conjunctive/linking adverb "However".
(Also elsewhere.)

 Section 1, paragraph 5
```
ry" instead of the "IGP registry" where as [RFC8623] and [RFC9168] uses the
  
```
Did you mean "whereas"?

 Section 3.2.2, paragraph 3
```
 string to be used to identify the key chain. It MUST be encoded using UTF-8.
   ^
```
This word is normally spelled as one. (Also elsewhere.)

 Section 5, paragraph 4
```
 enable a man-in-the-middle attack. Thus before advertising the PCEP security

```
A comma may be missing after the conjunctive/linking adverb "Thus".

## Notes

This review is in the ["IETF Comments" Markdown format][ICMF], You can use the
[`ietf-comments` tool][ICT] to automatically convert this review into
individual GitHub issues. Review generated by the [

Re: [Pce] Scoping Items from draft-koldychev-pce-operational

2022-09-30 Thread julien.meuric

Hi Tom,

The question lies in today's context. If the context was to change much 
in the future, we could of course reconsider the situation based on the 
new elements we'd face.

As a result, you're clearly voicing for option a.

ThankĀ  you,

Julien


On 30/09/2022 09:25, tom petch wrote:



Well, I think that you should be more concerned about fate sharing after 
publication, which, long as it may take to get there, can still be much shorter 
than the time after publication.   I think that there are plenty of documents 
where disparate information with different life cycles has been banged together 
creating future problems.  Here, I am not sure that this is the case.  The 
document is short and so a complete reissue should not be a lot of work which 
inclines me  towards a single I-D in two parts.

I wonder if during the course of preparation,  further issues arise so that the 
document may never be quite up-to-date, but that is hypothetical.

Tom Petch



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