[PD-dev] Pure-data libraries
Hey everyone, I had a chat with Hans on #dataflow about libraries in Pd (as I've been trying to get canvas-local namespaces working properly). Blog post here with more info and a link to the log, which I annotated with extra information after the fact (the right hand column): http://claudiusmaximus.goto10.org/cm/2010-07-16_pure-data_libraries.html I think this list would be a good place to discuss the open questions mentioned at the end of the blog post. Thanks, Claude -- http://claudiusmaximus.goto10.org ___ Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev
Re: [PD-dev] 0.43 meetup on IRC?
hi On 07/15/2010 10:33 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: We are kind of meeting now a bit, but we should do it tomorrow if you can IOhannes. obviously i was safe and sound at home last eveneing when you tried to IRC. i'm leaving for hols on monday and will probably be offline tomorrow and the day after tomorrow as well, so today would be a perfect chance to meet up at IRC (for more than 2 weeks) 19:00UTC is ok i would prefer 18:00UTC though... fgmasdr IOhannes signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev
[PD-dev] pd-gui 0.43: fixed position/size
hi all, i'm wondering why the geometry (position/size) of the main pd-window is hard-coded in the new gui. pdwindow.tcl:257 wm geometry .pdwindow =500x400+20+50 tcl figures out the needed size of the window quite fine for me, but what annoys me a bit is that the window position is hardcoded. window managers are usually quite good at finding out, where there is still place for new windows. starting several instances of Pd will all force the main window to be on the same position. the reason why it annoys me most, is that when i start it Pd, the window is always hidden behind my terminal (yakuake). if there is no really good reason, i would opt for removing this line. fgmasdr IOhannes signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev
Re: [PD-dev] 0.43 meetup on IRC?
I have an informal meeting showing up at 18:00 UTC, hope to keep it to 1/2 hour, but anyway am on now if that helps :) M On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 11:50:57AM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Jul 16, 2010, at 4:20 AM, IOhannes zm?lnig wrote: hi On 07/15/2010 10:33 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: We are kind of meeting now a bit, but we should do it tomorrow if you can IOhannes. obviously i was safe and sound at home last eveneing when you tried to IRC. i'm leaving for hols on monday and will probably be offline tomorrow and the day after tomorrow as well, so today would be a perfect chance to meet up at IRC (for more than 2 weeks) 19:00UTC is ok i would prefer 18:00UTC though... Either 18:00 or 19:00 works for me. Plus I'll probably be in #dataflow for the next few hours before that anyway. .hc I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone. --Bjarne Stroustrup (creator of C++) ___ Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev
Re: [PD-dev] pd-gui 0.43: fixed position/size
I'm not opposed to removing it as long as you are willing to test on all platforms (basic X11, GNOME, Mac OSX and Windows). That's the scary part of making changes to GUI things like that. I did most of my development using Mac OS X with X11 so I could run the same code in basic X11 and Mac OS X at the same time. Then I'd do sessions in Ubuntu to test there. Then I did occasional tests on Windows. .hc On Jul 16, 2010, at 5:11 AM, IOhannes zmölnig wrote: hi all, i'm wondering why the geometry (position/size) of the main pd-window is hard-coded in the new gui. pdwindow.tcl:257 wm geometry .pdwindow =500x400+20+50 tcl figures out the needed size of the window quite fine for me, but what annoys me a bit is that the window position is hardcoded. window managers are usually quite good at finding out, where there is still place for new windows. starting several instances of Pd will all force the main window to be on the same position. the reason why it annoys me most, is that when i start it Pd, the window is always hidden behind my terminal (yakuake). if there is no really good reason, i would opt for removing this line. fgmasdr IOhannes ___ Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev [W]e have invented the technology to eliminate scarcity, but we are deliberately throwing it away to benefit those who profit from scarcity.-John Gilmore ___ Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev
[PD-dev] 0.43 omission: 'set-startup' and 'set-path'
Hey Miller, I just noticed that you left out a key part of pd-gui-rewrite in 0.43. There is the 'set-startup' and 'set-path' messages which allows pd-gui to get the state of those things without having to open the respective preference dialog panels. The changes are in m_glob.c and s_path.c, as well as these lines in pd-gui.tcl: pdsend pd set-startup ;# get ::startup_libraries and ::startup_flags lists pdsend pd set-path;# get the ::pd_path list vwait ::pd_path ;# wait for 'pd' to respond .hc We have nothing to fear from love and commitment. - New York Senator Diane Savino, trying to convince the NY Senate to pass a gay marriage bill ___ Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev
[PD-dev] [ pure-data-Bugs-3030822 ] iem_cot~ can't create within vcf_lp2~
Bugs item #3030822, was opened at 2010-07-16 20:41 Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by danomatika You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detailatid=478070aid=3030822group_id=55736 Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: externals Group: None Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Dan Wilcox (danomatika) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: iem_cot~ can't create within vcf_lp2~ Initial Comment: iem_cot~ can't create when instantiating a vcf_lp2~ object from iemlib. I noticed vcf_lp4~ uses iem_cot4~, is this just a typo in the abstraction or is iem_cot~ missing? I'm on Mac OSX 10.6.4 with pd 0.42.5 RC 4, although I first noticed this problem at least a year ago in 0.41 on Ubuntu Linux ... -- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detailatid=478070aid=3030822group_id=55736 ___ Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev
Re: [PD-dev] 0.43 omission: 'set-startup' and 'set-path'
Hi Hans -- the vwait line didn't seem correct to me (could return right after Pd says to clear pd_path, before the other messages bubble up to append the various directories to it). I ended up fixing Pd to volunteer the path and startup stuff before sending pdtk_pd_startup so that none of the tcl side of things should be needed any longer. OTOH if you were planning to send pd set-startup etc at some later point in the tcl code, this would need to be supported in Pd...(?) cheers Miller On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 03:58:24PM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Hey Miller, I just noticed that you left out a key part of pd-gui-rewrite in 0.43. There is the 'set-startup' and 'set-path' messages which allows pd-gui to get the state of those things without having to open the respective preference dialog panels. The changes are in m_glob.c and s_path.c, as well as these lines in pd-gui.tcl: pdsend pd set-startup ;# get ::startup_libraries and ::startup_flags lists pdsend pd set-path;# get the ::pd_path list vwait ::pd_path ;# wait for 'pd' to respond .hc We have nothing to fear from love and commitment. - New York Senator Diane Savino, trying to convince the NY Senate to pass a gay marriage bill ___ Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev ___ Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev
Re: [PD-dev] 0.43 omission: 'set-startup' and 'set-path'
Yeah, I added the pd set-startup, etc. stuff to m_glob.c and s_path.c. Regardless of the startup procedure, I think pd-gui should be able to request state from pd so it can stay in sync. A dialog shouldn't be required to get this info. This is akin to IOhannes' idea that pd-gui's state should be settable by pd at any point while running. Then it makes sense to reuse the same procedure for getting the state in the startup procedure, rather than having a custom method for only the startup procedure. .hc On Jul 16, 2010, at 10:59 PM, Miller Puckette wrote: Hi Hans -- the vwait line didn't seem correct to me (could return right after Pd says to clear pd_path, before the other messages bubble up to append the various directories to it). I ended up fixing Pd to volunteer the path and startup stuff before sending pdtk_pd_startup so that none of the tcl side of things should be needed any longer. OTOH if you were planning to send pd set-startup etc at some later point in the tcl code, this would need to be supported in Pd...(?) cheers Miller On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 03:58:24PM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Hey Miller, I just noticed that you left out a key part of pd-gui-rewrite in 0.43. There is the 'set-startup' and 'set-path' messages which allows pd-gui to get the state of those things without having to open the respective preference dialog panels. The changes are in m_glob.c and s_path.c, as well as these lines in pd-gui.tcl: pdsend pd set-startup ;# get ::startup_libraries and ::startup_flags lists pdsend pd set-path;# get the ::pd_path list vwait ::pd_path ;# wait for 'pd' to respond .hc We have nothing to fear from love and commitment. - New York Senator Diane Savino, trying to convince the NY Senate to pass a gay marriage bill ___ Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev Programs should be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute. - from Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs ___ Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev
