Re: [PD] puredata evolution
marius schebella wrote: To me it seems there is not really a clear direction of what Pd should be. Speaking as a user I only can speculate, but most probably none of the people who have contributed Pd code have ever agreed on a certain featurelist of a final version. Or whether there should be a v 1.0 at all. Especially in free software, numbering is quite different from proprietary software. Just think of anything without RC or testing or unstable or experimental in the version as a reliable version despite of its numbering. And read changelogs before updating the software, but that applies to proprietary software as well (but with free software it's usually easier to go back to former versions as there tend to be older versions around somewhere). btw. it is too late for this year's prix ars electronica, but since there is a category digital community Pd definitely should go for that next year... That's definitely an option. How about collecting ideas for the appliance in a wiki starting now? cu Thomas -- Prisons are needed only to provide the illusion that courts and police are effective. They're a kind of job insurance. (Leto II. in: Frank Herbert, God Emperor of Dune) http://thomas.dergrossebruder.org/ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] puredata evolution
Hallo, Kyle Klipowicz hat gesagt: // Kyle Klipowicz wrote: Pd 1.0 in 2010 maybe? Heh. Taking into account that Pd was started around 1996, assuming a version number of 0.00 then, it now has reached 0.41 in 2007 and thus will reach 1.0 in 2022. A different calculation is less optimistic: As the current speed of version numbers is about 0.01 per annum, it will take another 59 years to reach 1.0, which is 2066. Or Pd may do as Ardour did: Just jump from 0.... to 2.0 and leave out 1.0 entirely. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org_ __goto10.org__ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] puredata evolution
Maybe someone could make a pd patch to dynamically calculate this so that we can be sure to be ready for the arrival of ver1.0 ;) Taking into account that Pd was started around 1996, assuming a version number of 0.00 then, it now has reached 0.41 in 2007 and thus will reach 1.0 in 2022. A different calculation is less optimistic: As the current speed of version numbers is about 0.01 per annum, it will take another 59 years to reach 1.0, which is 2066. Or Pd may do as Ardour did: Just jump from 0.... to 2.0 and leave out 1.0 entirely. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] puredata evolution
Could that be called a ProphePd? ~Kyle On 5/26/07, nick weldin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe someone could make a pd patch to dynamically calculate this so that we can be sure to be ready for the arrival of ver1.0 ;) Taking into account that Pd was started around 1996, assuming a version number of 0.00 then, it now has reached 0.41 in 2007 and thus will reach 1.0 in 2022. A different calculation is less optimistic: As the current speed of version numbers is about 0.01 per annum, it will take another 59 years to reach 1.0, which is 2066. Or Pd may do as Ardour did: Just jump from 0.... to 2.0 and leave out 1.0 entirely. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- - - - -- http://perhapsidid.wordpress.com ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] puredata evolution
Very nice dream indeed! Thanks for sharing, that would be a great future. I really am seeing game development being the new film in terms of art and entertainment. ~Kyle On 5/26/07, Andy Farnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The little dog in the picture is saying woof..woof.. your card stacking method is suboptimally stable...woof do you think that gem is a mature proyect for video creation? why not? why the evolution is slow? or simply why there are not a object for to save pretty videos in open formats? (same asks for pdp). Pd has grown big, sound, video, physical robotics, installations, with Pd as a general purpose cyberjunction. Big must move at a fairly slow pace to stay coherent. Which is the next future of PureData As a crazy hypothetical, hmmm, I wish for Blender to marry Puredata as their games sound engine and make set of [world] objects babies... ..that have hooks called from game object events.:) When you see a video link on a viewer in game Pd is handling all that, when two objects collide the sound you get is Pd handling it... Pd as an embedded realtime signals and interfacing layer in a games engine sort of thing. /end dream~~ Maybe the extended version is a valuable effort for to have a open platform for creatives. Then which is the sense of desiredata? ( https://devel.goto10.org/desiredata) Its way open yeah and such is its charm, a great dev environment for so many ideas, not necessarily a final component or end in iteself yet, for me. Beyond prototyping in Pd and rebuilding by hand I'd like to see Pd output more reusable code and integrate with other things as well as itself on a lower level. Like being able to compile new externals from inside Pd itself (segfault proof combo of compiler, text editor and active object), or converting the DSP parts of a patch to a plugin for another system LV2 or VST or something not requiring Pd any longer. So in summary I'd like to see Pd mature as a component in a wider development environment, which I think it surely will. ANdy On Fri, 25 May 2007 15:28:05 +0200 victor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I love pd :) but after many years from its creation, why some times it seem a casd's castle? http://teacher.scholastic.com/max/castle/img/cardcast.jpg After to read in that list the tipical question pix_video don't work. I'm thinking about pd do you think that gem is a mature proyect for video creation? why not? why the evolution is slow? or simply why there are not a object for to save pretty videos in open formats? (same asks for pdp). Maybe the extended version is a valuable effort for to have a open platform for creatives. Then which is the sense of desiredata? ( https://devel.goto10.org/desiredata) summarizing: Which is the next future of PureData thanks -- Use the source ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- - - - -- http://perhapsidid.wordpress.com ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] basic composition tutorial
Hallo, Andy Farnell hat gesagt: // Andy Farnell wrote: Any feedback on a new document would be nice. I've tried to provide an absolutely minimal elementary intro to making music with Pd. This is the first doc, which I did as a guide for a workshop in Bristol next month. http://www.obiwannabe.co.uk/html/music/musictuts/compose1/composition1/composition1.html Very cool and really good for beginners as well. If your students become a little bit advanced and want to sequence with the [list] objects: Attached is a little variation of your sequencer. Sequencing lists instead of your [select ...] chains has the advantage that you can do funky modifications to your patterns on the fly. I illustrated that by playing the pattern in reverse as well in the example. I'm using the new tool scripts for working in TeX, so thanks once again to all who helped me make those work. You also did change the font position in the ps-printed patches, right? Maybe this can go into Pd's sources directly, so that Pd would automatically produce correctly positions fonts in boxes. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org_ __goto10.org__ simpleseq.pd Description: application/puredata ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] basic composition tutorial
Thankyou Frank, the list method and qlist, textfile and xeq are all possible things for Composition 2, which I am working on right now. Your list sequencer is extremely helpful and this makes a great demonstration. It would be nice if the PS output of Pd was fixed to look nice on all devices, but I suppose this is not a priority. All best, Andy On Sat, 26 May 2007 19:14:51 +0200 Frank Barknecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hallo, Andy Farnell hat gesagt: // Andy Farnell wrote: Any feedback on a new document would be nice. I've tried to provide an absolutely minimal elementary intro to making music with Pd. This is the first doc, which I did as a guide for a workshop in Bristol next month. http://www.obiwannabe.co.uk/html/music/musictuts/compose1/composition1/composition1.html Very cool and really good for beginners as well. If your students become a little bit advanced and want to sequence with the [list] objects: Attached is a little variation of your sequencer. Sequencing lists instead of your [select ...] chains has the advantage that you can do funky modifications to your patterns on the fly. I illustrated that by playing the pattern in reverse as well in the example. I'm using the new tool scripts for working in TeX, so thanks once again to all who helped me make those work. You also did change the font position in the ps-printed patches, right? Maybe this can go into Pd's sources directly, so that Pd would automatically produce correctly positions fonts in boxes. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org_ __goto10.org__ -- Use the source ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [OT] Voice Synth
Hi everyone, can anyone tell me if there is some software for simulate singing voices? It can be cool if there is a spanish oriented one my OS is Mac OS X 10.4.8 ppc thanks _ Descarga gratis la Barra de Herramientas de MSN http://www.msn.es/usuario/busqueda/barra?XAPID=2031DI=1055SU=http%3A//www.hotmail.comHL=LINKTAG1OPENINGTEXT_MSNBH ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Cameras and capture cards.
Hello all, I have to determine what cameras and capture cards are best for video tracking... Preferably, i would like them to work with as many platforms as possible (OSX, windows and Linux) and this are the constraints: capture cards: the least latency possible. I have tried some digitizers that used compressed firewire and they are too slow (too much latency). others like the turtle beach are uncompressed firewire and seem to be faster, however, so far cheap PCI cards seem to be faster for me, but the restriction there is that it has to use a slot in a computer and most are for windows only. Video Cameras: good color resolution, option to turn off auto-iris (and preferably more than 30 fps). I have tried a canon 3 ccd that gives good color resolution but only 30 fps. I also tried some CCTV cameras, but they have autoiris and bad color resolution (only composite video out). I briefly tried fire-i and they seemed to have low latency through their firewire out. I think you can hook them in series too which is also great unless latency increases. anyway, if anyone can share their experiences i would be very greatful, thanks in advance, Jaime -- Jaime E Oliver LR [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.realidadvisual.org/jaimeoliver www-crca.ucsd.edu/ www.realidadvisual.org 8693 Via Mallorca No. 19 La Jolla, CA 92037 USA -- Jaime E Oliver LR [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.realidadvisual.org/jaimeoliver www-crca.ucsd.edu/ www.realidadvisual.org 8693 Via Mallorca No. 19 La Jolla, CA 92037 USA ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Cameras and capture cards.
Do you really need good color resolution for tracking? I've tested a range of industrial gear designed for tracking and all of it has poor color handling compared to even $500 DV cams. It seems that determining if a box is out of place on the assembly line doesn't require knowing what color it is. PCI cards are the best capture method for latency and high resolution. Professional ones from AJA and BlackMagic have 12-14 bit digitzers and SDI for interfacing with gear up to Varicam and CineAlta level. I use these with lower cost HDV cameras at 1080i60 with good results. How high of a framerate do you need? 720p60 and 1080p60 are 60 fps options in the HD video field and there are digital film cameras that do 120fps although those are still hard to come by (like the RED 'it's not vaporware we promise' One). Specialized cameras that record to banks of high speed memory can go thousands of frames per second although you cannot get frames into a PC at that rate and they cost thousands per day to rent. On 5/26/07, Jaime Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, I have to determine what cameras and capture cards are best for video tracking... Preferably, i would like them to work with as many platforms as possible (OSX, windows and Linux) and this are the constraints: capture cards: the least latency possible. I have tried some digitizers that used compressed firewire and they are too slow (too much latency). others like the turtle beach are uncompressed firewire and seem to be faster, however, so far cheap PCI cards seem to be faster for me, but the restriction there is that it has to use a slot in a computer and most are for windows only. Video Cameras: good color resolution, option to turn off auto-iris (and preferably more than 30 fps). I have tried a canon 3 ccd that gives good color resolution but only 30 fps. I also tried some CCTV cameras, but they have autoiris and bad color resolution (only composite video out). I briefly tried fire-i and they seemed to have low latency through their firewire out. I think you can hook them in series too which is also great unless latency increases. anyway, if anyone can share their experiences i would be very greatful, thanks in advance, Jaime -- Jaime E Oliver LR [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.realidadvisual.org/jaimeoliver www-crca.ucsd.edu/ www.realidadvisual.org 8693 Via Mallorca No. 19 La Jolla, CA 92037 USA -- Jaime E Oliver LR [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.realidadvisual.org/jaimeoliver www-crca.ucsd.edu/ www.realidadvisual.org 8693 Via Mallorca No. 19 La Jolla, CA 92037 USA ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Pd-List by subject and not digest
Hi All, is there a way of receiving pd-list withh a separate email per subject instead of the digest?? best, Jaime ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [OT] Voice Synth
vosim, chant, spasm, and Perry Cooks new thing that follows lip positions, and in Pd there if [paf~], and if you can't find it for any reason I have the source. andy On Sat, 26 May 2007 19:36:07 + josue moreno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, can anyone tell me if there is some software for simulate singing voices? It can be cool if there is a spanish oriented one my OS is Mac OS X 10.4.8 ppc thanks _ Descarga gratis la Barra de Herramientas de MSN http://www.msn.es/usuario/busqueda/barra?XAPID=2031DI=1055SU=http%3A//www.hotmail.comHL=LINKTAG1OPENINGTEXT_MSNBH ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Use the source ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] subtractive synth - minimoog model
hello all! I was on this list some time back, but unsubscribed due to lack of time to learn pd. the time issue is a little better, so I have resubscribed in the hopes of learning this app. here's my question: I really, really want a minimoog, but can't afford one. ;) I think that building one in pd using ladspa plugins (much like alsamodularsynth) would be a perfect way to dip my toe in the shallow end of pd. however, I can't figure out what to do once I get pd opened. I can add [plugin~ name.so], but I really don't know what else to do. incidentally, I found a nice minimoog synth on the web, but one thing that I absolutely cannot stand with that and ams is the lack of ability to retrigger a held note after another one is played (I think this has been called the trilogy trill - make sense?). this is a must on an analog synth. can anyone point me to some tutorials or give me some help with this? -- Josh Lawrence http://www.hardbop200.com http://www.joshlawrencetrio.com ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
