Re: [PD] still dmg error with pd-extended

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

The md5sum didn't change for Roman and me.

.hc

On Oct 24, 2007, at 9:50 PM, marius schebella wrote:

> if it is a mirror, then why should the checksum change??? it just  
> checks if the file was changed during transport, and every change  
> is usually an error.
> I am downloading from the address below, I don't think this is a  
> mirror...
> marius.
>
> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>> On Oct 24, 2007, at 9:10 PM, marius schebella wrote:
>>> Roman Haefeli wrote:
> http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2007-10-24/Pd-0.39.3- 
> extended-macosx104-i386.dmg

 06f53fc551f28aa084815b63449692fc
>>>
>>> here is what I get
>>> 3fbcda46e455a8c64b951685b06b3e59
>>> I really think the problem is on the server side.
>> Which server?  You've probably downloaded from many at this point:  
>> the auto-build webserver, http://idmi.poly.edu/pdlab, and one of  
>> many sourceforge mirrors.
>> .hc
>>>
 btw: why do you download 0.39-extended from autobuild, when it was
 officially released just a few days ago? does it contain changes
 already?
>>>
>>> I was hoping for some changes in Gem. I still have problems loading
>>> images, because I get wrong colors when I use them as alpha maps.
>>> there is an old version that does the colors correct, but  
>>> therefor no
>>> multitextures in glsl_program. I would like to use both features  
>>> at the
>>> same time.
>>> At least now I now that the release of 39.3 did not fix this  
>>> problem :(
>>>
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[PD] PureCorpsV1 update

[Chris McCormick]

Hi all,

Remember the PureCorpsV1 project?


Well it's exactly half way through now. Progress has been slow and even
halted for a while when I got very busy, but we're back on track now
and I will try to push the second half through much quicker.

Damian Stewart pointed out to me recently that this would work much
better if it was automated somehow so that I was not the bottleneck in
the system, and he's quite correct. It would be cool to develop some
kind of framework for automating the exquisite-corps patching
methodology.

Anyway, I will try to post to the pd-list about it as we draw near to
the end.

Best,

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Re: [PD] 2D pad

[Roman Haefeli]

ha, gorgeous! exactly this is what i needed several days ago, that made
me go through your datastructures tutorial again. however, my crappy
patch was only half satisfying... i am excited to see, how this one
works internally.

thanks for sharing..

roman


On Wed, 2007-10-24 at 22:40 +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote:
> Hallo,
> Frank Barknecht hat gesagt: // Frank Barknecht wrote:
> 
> > Hm, what's unreliable there? I've posted an abstraction here some time
> > ago (2005?) in an archive controller.tgz, that uses DS and should work
> > out of the box. I can dig up the newer version if you like, which
> > works without metros, but may not work with the old version of Pd
> > that's in pd-extended.
> 
> Dug it up, attached.
> 
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Re: [PD] 2D pad

[Chris McCormick]

On Wed, Oct 24, 2007 at 02:35:56PM +0100, Robert Scott wrote:
> What do most people do when they need a simple 2D slider, or 'xy pad'?
> 
> I've tried encapsulating a data structure in a GOP abstraction, but I find it 
> terribly unreliable.

There's also one in s-abstractions:


(I just added the help file a second ago)

This is probably almost exactly the same as Frank's since we made it
together if I recall correctly (or maybe I just stole his patch and
changed the colors :) )

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Re: [PD] still dmg error with pd-extended

[Roman Haefeli]

On Wed, 2007-10-24 at 21:53 -0400, marius schebella wrote:
> hmmm, I have no idea, what the problem could be. I just would like to 
> solve it, because it keeps me from working. I know 2 other people who 
> have (or had) the same problem.
> did you delete the file from your cache before re-downloading?

no, i used wget and i downloaded it 3 times from the link you posted and
i got 3 times the same md5sum

>  did you 
> try it from different computers?

yeah, since you ask, i downloaded it as well on my server and i get the
very same checksum again.

btw: you could try to download it from there:
http://romanhaefeli.net/Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
md5sum: 06f53fc551f28aa084815b63449692fc

>  sorry, I don't want to bother you with 
> that problem too much.

no problem. i'd like to help if i can. this is rather a strange problem.
i really wonder what the cause is and the solution.

roman




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[PD] gem color bug

[marius schebella]

hi,
I uploaded screenshots from the gem alpha color bug here:
http://www.parasitaere-kapazitaeten.net/Pd/Gem_bug
please help me to find the problem!
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Re: [PD] still dmg error with pd-extended

[marius schebella]

hmmm, I have no idea, what the problem could be. I just would like to 
solve it, because it keeps me from working. I know 2 other people who 
have (or had) the same problem.
did you delete the file from your cache before re-downloading? did you 
try it from different computers? sorry, I don't want to bother you with 
that problem too much.
it is not the browser, because I tried several browsers. maybe it is 
some os x issue, but I also had the problem when I downloaded to the 
windows machine and transfered it to osx. (btw. the checksum did not 
change when copying from windows to mac...)
It also makes no difference if I download from wifi or over cable.
It can be the network connection, although I also had the problem when I 
was on another net.
actually I have no idea...
marius.

Roman Haefeli wrote:
> On Wed, 2007-10-24 at 21:10 -0400, marius schebella wrote:
>> Roman Haefeli wrote:
 http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2007-10-24/Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
>>> 06f53fc551f28aa084815b63449692fc
>> here is what I get
>> 3fbcda46e455a8c64b951685b06b3e59
>> I really think the problem is on the server side.
> 
> i cannot confirm that. i always get:
> 
> 06f53fc551f28aa084815b63449692fc
> 
> (i tried another two times)
> 
> roman
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [PD] still dmg error with pd-extended

[marius schebella]

if it is a mirror, then why should the checksum change??? it just checks 
if the file was changed during transport, and every change is usually an 
error.
I am downloading from the address below, I don't think this is a mirror...
marius.

Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> 
> On Oct 24, 2007, at 9:10 PM, marius schebella wrote:
> 
>> Roman Haefeli wrote:
 http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2007-10-24/Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
  

>>>
>>> 06f53fc551f28aa084815b63449692fc
>>
>> here is what I get
>> 3fbcda46e455a8c64b951685b06b3e59
>> I really think the problem is on the server side.
> 
> Which server?  You've probably downloaded from many at this point: the 
> auto-build webserver, http://idmi.poly.edu/pdlab, and one of many 
> sourceforge mirrors.
> 
> .hc
> 
>>
>>> btw: why do you download 0.39-extended from autobuild, when it was
>>> officially released just a few days ago? does it contain changes
>>> already?
>>
>> I was hoping for some changes in Gem. I still have problems loading
>> images, because I get wrong colors when I use them as alpha maps.
>> there is an old version that does the colors correct, but therefor no
>> multitextures in glsl_program. I would like to use both features at the
>> same time.
>> At least now I now that the release of 39.3 did not fix this problem :(
>>
>> marius.
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Re: [PD] Array indexing for the wind and the birds

[Chris McCormick]

On Tue, Oct 23, 2007 at 03:03:22PM -0400, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Oct 2007, Jamie Bullock wrote:
> 
> >BUT, I don't think dynamic patching in Pd as it currently stands is
> >officially supported (by Miller),
> 
> It's quite useless to say that, unless you are interested in the 
> philosophical aspects of whether dynamic patching is a feature of pd, what 
> is a feature, and the meaning of "official" and perhaps of "is". At least 
> several commands of dynamic patching are so much used that Miller can't 
> remove them, and if he did, then Hans would put them back anyway.

Incorrect; this statement is not at all useless for people who's primary
Pd platform is Miller's version, on the contrary it's quite true, and of
great concen.

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Re: [PD] still dmg error with pd-extended

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Oct 24, 2007, at 9:10 PM, marius schebella wrote:

> Roman Haefeli wrote:
>>> http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2007-10-24/Pd-0.39.3- 
>>> extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
>>
>> 06f53fc551f28aa084815b63449692fc
>
> here is what I get
> 3fbcda46e455a8c64b951685b06b3e59
> I really think the problem is on the server side.

Which server?  You've probably downloaded from many at this point:  
the auto-build webserver, http://idmi.poly.edu/pdlab, and one of many  
sourceforge mirrors.

.hc

>
>> btw: why do you download 0.39-extended from autobuild, when it was
>> officially released just a few days ago? does it contain changes
>> already?
>
> I was hoping for some changes in Gem. I still have problems loading
> images, because I get wrong colors when I use them as alpha maps.
> there is an old version that does the colors correct, but therefor no
> multitextures in glsl_program. I would like to use both features at  
> the
> same time.
> At least now I now that the release of 39.3 did not fix this  
> problem :(
>
> marius.
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Re: [PD] still dmg error with pd-extended

[Roman Haefeli]

On Wed, 2007-10-24 at 21:10 -0400, marius schebella wrote:
> Roman Haefeli wrote:
> >> http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2007-10-24/Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
> > 
> > 06f53fc551f28aa084815b63449692fc
> 
> here is what I get
> 3fbcda46e455a8c64b951685b06b3e59
> I really think the problem is on the server side.

i cannot confirm that. i always get:

06f53fc551f28aa084815b63449692fc

(i tried another two times)

roman






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Re: [PD] Spectrum graphing amplitude problem

[Chris McCormick]

On Wed, Oct 24, 2007 at 02:01:13PM +0200, Steffen Juul wrote:
> 
> On 24/10/2007, at 13.33, Ed Kelly wrote:
> 
> >Chun did a cool thing - it would be interesting to know how the  
> >video was made. Look up 'chun lee glass cloud' on youtube.
> 
> 
> Wicket -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJ-6_9ahw08

Wow, what an utterly wonderful piece of work! This is my new favorite
video, thanks for sharing. I wish more people would post stuff like this
to the pd-list.

Chun, I am really interested in what tools you used to make this. Has it
been exhibited or screened anywhere?

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Re: [PD] still dmg error with pd-extended

[marius schebella]

Roman Haefeli wrote:
>> http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2007-10-24/Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
> 
> 06f53fc551f28aa084815b63449692fc

here is what I get
3fbcda46e455a8c64b951685b06b3e59
I really think the problem is on the server side.

> btw: why do you download 0.39-extended from autobuild, when it was
> officially released just a few days ago? does it contain changes
> already?

I was hoping for some changes in Gem. I still have problems loading 
images, because I get wrong colors when I use them as alpha maps.
there is an old version that does the colors correct, but therefor no 
multitextures in glsl_program. I would like to use both features at the 
same time.
At least now I now that the release of 39.3 did not fix this problem :(

marius.

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Re: [PD] scroll bug

[Matteo Sisti Sette]

> > If I didn't wait even 45 minutes (nor even 5 probably) after reporting
> > the
> > bug before I wrote to the ml, it was not for impatience but just because
> > the

> oh sorry, i was not aware of that.
> to me it seemed that between your posting to the tracker and to the ml a
> timespan of 4 hours elapsed.

Hey I'm really sorry about that. What I meant was that I didn't remember at
all how much time had elapsed between the bug report and the post to the ml
and that I sent the two with two different purposes; I'm sure you're right
about the timings. I thought you were complaining about my writing to the
mailing list too soon (while you were complaining about almost the opposite)
and I tried to explain it was not out of impatience.
Surely I hadn't received (read, to be more precise) the automatic
notification of the bug tracker, since (I now realise) my email address in
the bugtracker is out of date, so I read that one much later; and I didn't
check out the tracker before I posted the mail for the reasons I already
mentioned (and also because I thought I would receive a notice via email in
case anyone replied).

So, with the hope to close this thread (or at least the non-technical
discussion), I really apologize if I offended anyone.


>> Correct me if I'm wrong: I need to recompile PD after modifying the
>> source
>> code with the patch, right?

> wrong.
> you just need to edit the pd.tk file ...
> the only thing you have to do is restart pd...


Ok that'g great! Forgive my ignorance.
I will try it out as soon as I can.
And of course I'll let you know whether it works

> change the 2 occurences of  "-%D/abs(%D)" to "(%D>0)?:-1:1

Sounds like it will certainly work.

> it is very simple: download the patch and..

Thanks for the explanation.


Bye
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Re: [PD] still dmg error with pd-extended

[Luke Iannini (pd)]

Hi Marius,I was having this exact problem on my G5 with the autobuilds, but
the exact same files would work fine on my MacBook Pro... I have just been
extracting them there and sending them over the network :P.

Anyhow, I have no solution, but now you at least have company : )
Cheers
Luke

On 10/24/07, marius schebella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I just downloaded the file from the link you proposed and got exactly
> the same checksum
> marius-schebellas-computer:~/Desktop/pd3 marius$ md5
>
> Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
> MD5 (Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg) =
>
> 2ea3c667de64cd13e8449fdd0bb24da1
> I can open it, everything fine.
> but the file I was talking about before is from the autobuild farm.
> http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2007-10-24/
> exaclty this one:
> http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2007-10-24/Pd-0.39.3-
> extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
> or, if you are on a windows machine, then this one:
> http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2007-10-13/Pd-0.39.3-
> extended-windowsxp-i386.exe
> can you check that, too?
>
> marius.
>
> Roman Haefeli wrote:
> > i am not very sure, if i am correct, but i think, you cannot be sure,
> > that you downloaded the exact file twice, since sourceforge directs you
> > to a different mirror, each time you click download. i couldn't install
> > and test it, but here download seemed ok, though i got again a different
> > md5 cheksum.
> >
> > from:
> > http://internap.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/pure-data/Pd-
> 0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
> >
> > i got:
> > 2ea3c667de64cd13e8449fdd0bb24da1  Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
> >
> > roman
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 2007-10-24 at 19:17 -0400, marius schebella wrote:
> >> well, I downloaded twice the same file and got different checksums.
> >> are you sure the server is ok? I mean, please upload a file to another
> >> place and let me try from there. or ftp ore even sftp or scp...
> >> marius.
> >>
> >> marius-schebellas-computer:~/Desktop/pd1 marius$ md5
> >> Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
> >> MD5 (Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg) =
> >> f72ed066b0fc92f55115b6dfd621a9b9
> >> marius-schebellas-computer:~/Desktop/pd1 marius$ cd ../pd2/
> >> marius-schebellas-computer:~/Desktop/pd2 marius$ md5
> >> Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
> >> MD5 (Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg) =
> >> 74744b1b7818e50fc3f7c7d67d193507
> >>
> >>
> >> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> >>> On Oct 24, 2007, at 5:52 PM, Steffen Juul wrote:
> >>>
>  On 24/10/2007, at 21.38, marius schebella wrote:
> 
> > marius-schebellas-computer:~/www/pd marius$ md5
> > Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
> > MD5 (Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg) =
> > 8f22b8ea93d414bc0f055b07c269f4e7
> 
>  $ md5 Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
>  MD5 (Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg) =
>  06f53fc551f28aa084815b63449692fc
> 
>  They are not the same.
> >>> Weird, I just downloaded them all again, and got a different md5sum
> from
> >>> both of you:
> >>>
> >>> 2ea3c667de64cd13e8449fdd0bb24da1  Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-
> i386.dmg
> >>>
> > marius-schebellas-computer:~/www/pd marius$ ls -l
> > Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
> > -rw-r--r--   1 marius  marius  35065615 Oct 24 15:16
> > Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
> 
>  But it takes up the same space:
> 
>  $ ls -l Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
>  -rw-r--r--   1 35065615 Oct 24 23:46 Pd-0.39.3-extended-
>  macosx104-i386.dmg
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:md5sum > ls -l
> >>> Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
> >>> -rw-r--r-- 1 hans wheel 35063177 Oct 24 18:21
> >>> Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
> >>>
> >>> A couple of days later, I did reupload a newer release with fixed pdp
> >>> help files, maybe you have the earlier version
> >>>
> >>> .hc
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Re: [PD] still dmg error with pd-extended

[Roman Haefeli]

On Wed, 2007-10-24 at 20:39 -0400, marius schebella wrote:
> I just downloaded the file from the link you proposed and got exactly 
> the same checksum
> marius-schebellas-computer:~/Desktop/pd3 marius$ md5 
> Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
> MD5 (Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg) = 
> 2ea3c667de64cd13e8449fdd0bb24da1
> I can open it, everything fine.
> but the file I was talking about before is from the autobuild farm.
> http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2007-10-24/
> exaclty this one:
> http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2007-10-24/Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg

06f53fc551f28aa084815b63449692fc


> or, if you are on a windows machine, then this one:

i on not on one nor the other, i am on linux and just downloaded it for
checksum. i didn't install and try it.

btw: why do you download 0.39-extended from autobuild, when it was
officially released just a few days ago? does it contain changes
already?

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Re: [PD] 2D pad

[Robert Scott]

On Wednesday 24 October 2007 21:40, Frank Barknecht wrote:
> Dug it up, attached.
>
> Ciao

Thanks - I'll have a look at this. My ds abstractions can never properly 
decide their painting order and often cause segfaults.


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Re: [PD] still dmg error with pd-extended

[Roman Haefeli]

On Thu, 2007-10-25 at 02:06 +0200, Roman Haefeli wrote:
> i am not very sure, if i am correct, but i think, you cannot be sure,
> that you downloaded the exact file twice, since sourceforge directs you
> to a different mirror, each time you click download. i couldn't install
> and test it, but here download seemed ok, though i got again a different
> md5 cheksum.
> 
> from:
> http://internap.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/pure-data/Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
> 
> i got:
> 2ea3c667de64cd13e8449fdd0bb24da1  Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg

yo, got the same checksum, when downloading from:
http://switch.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/pure-data/Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg

it seems, that the problem is on your side (either your network or
computer or ..)

if you still have troubles getting a proper image, i could provide you
the same file from a different url, if you think, that helps you.

roman

 

> roman
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 2007-10-24 at 19:17 -0400, marius schebella wrote:
> > well, I downloaded twice the same file and got different checksums.
> > are you sure the server is ok? I mean, please upload a file to another 
> > place and let me try from there. or ftp ore even sftp or scp...
> > marius.
> > 
> > marius-schebellas-computer:~/Desktop/pd1 marius$ md5 
> > Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
> > MD5 (Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg) = 
> > f72ed066b0fc92f55115b6dfd621a9b9
> > marius-schebellas-computer:~/Desktop/pd1 marius$ cd ../pd2/
> > marius-schebellas-computer:~/Desktop/pd2 marius$ md5 
> > Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
> > MD5 (Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg) = 
> > 74744b1b7818e50fc3f7c7d67d193507
> > 
> > 
> > Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> > > 
> > > On Oct 24, 2007, at 5:52 PM, Steffen Juul wrote:
> > > 
> > >>
> > >> On 24/10/2007, at 21.38, marius schebella wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> marius-schebellas-computer:~/www/pd marius$ md5
> > >>> Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
> > >>> MD5 (Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg) =
> > >>> 8f22b8ea93d414bc0f055b07c269f4e7
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> $ md5 Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
> > >> MD5 (Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg) =
> > >> 06f53fc551f28aa084815b63449692fc
> > >>
> > >> They are not the same.
> > > 
> > > Weird, I just downloaded them all again, and got a different md5sum from 
> > > both of you:
> > > 
> > > 2ea3c667de64cd13e8449fdd0bb24da1  Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
> > > 
> > >>
> > >>> marius-schebellas-computer:~/www/pd marius$ ls -l
> > >>> Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
> > >>> -rw-r--r--   1 marius  marius  35065615 Oct 24 15:16
> > >>> Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> But it takes up the same space:
> > >>
> > >> $ ls -l Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
> > >> -rw-r--r--   1 35065615 Oct 24 23:46 Pd-0.39.3-extended-
> > >> macosx104-i386.dmg
> > > 
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:md5sum > ls -l 
> > > Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
> > > -rw-r--r-- 1 hans wheel 35063177 Oct 24 18:21 
> > > Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
> > > 
> > > A couple of days later, I did reupload a newer release with fixed pdp 
> > > help files, maybe you have the earlier version
> > > 
> > > .hc
> > > 
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Re: [PD] still dmg error with pd-extended

[marius schebella]

I just downloaded the file from the link you proposed and got exactly 
the same checksum
marius-schebellas-computer:~/Desktop/pd3 marius$ md5 
Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
MD5 (Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg) = 
2ea3c667de64cd13e8449fdd0bb24da1
I can open it, everything fine.
but the file I was talking about before is from the autobuild farm.
http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2007-10-24/
exaclty this one:
http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2007-10-24/Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
or, if you are on a windows machine, then this one:
http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2007-10-13/Pd-0.39.3-extended-windowsxp-i386.exe
can you check that, too?
marius.

Roman Haefeli wrote:
> i am not very sure, if i am correct, but i think, you cannot be sure,
> that you downloaded the exact file twice, since sourceforge directs you
> to a different mirror, each time you click download. i couldn't install
> and test it, but here download seemed ok, though i got again a different
> md5 cheksum.
> 
> from:
> http://internap.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/pure-data/Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
> 
> i got:
> 2ea3c667de64cd13e8449fdd0bb24da1  Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
> 
> roman
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 2007-10-24 at 19:17 -0400, marius schebella wrote:
>> well, I downloaded twice the same file and got different checksums.
>> are you sure the server is ok? I mean, please upload a file to another 
>> place and let me try from there. or ftp ore even sftp or scp...
>> marius.
>>
>> marius-schebellas-computer:~/Desktop/pd1 marius$ md5 
>> Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
>> MD5 (Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg) = 
>> f72ed066b0fc92f55115b6dfd621a9b9
>> marius-schebellas-computer:~/Desktop/pd1 marius$ cd ../pd2/
>> marius-schebellas-computer:~/Desktop/pd2 marius$ md5 
>> Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
>> MD5 (Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg) = 
>> 74744b1b7818e50fc3f7c7d67d193507
>>
>>
>> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>>> On Oct 24, 2007, at 5:52 PM, Steffen Juul wrote:
>>>
 On 24/10/2007, at 21.38, marius schebella wrote:

> marius-schebellas-computer:~/www/pd marius$ md5
> Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
> MD5 (Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg) =
> 8f22b8ea93d414bc0f055b07c269f4e7

 $ md5 Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
 MD5 (Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg) =
 06f53fc551f28aa084815b63449692fc

 They are not the same.
>>> Weird, I just downloaded them all again, and got a different md5sum from 
>>> both of you:
>>>
>>> 2ea3c667de64cd13e8449fdd0bb24da1  Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
>>>
> marius-schebellas-computer:~/www/pd marius$ ls -l
> Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
> -rw-r--r--   1 marius  marius  35065615 Oct 24 15:16
> Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg

 But it takes up the same space:

 $ ls -l Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
 -rw-r--r--   1 35065615 Oct 24 23:46 Pd-0.39.3-extended-
 macosx104-i386.dmg
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:md5sum > ls -l 
>>> Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 hans wheel 35063177 Oct 24 18:21 
>>> Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
>>>
>>> A couple of days later, I did reupload a newer release with fixed pdp 
>>> help files, maybe you have the earlier version
>>>
>>> .hc
>>>
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Re: [PD] still dmg error with pd-extended

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Sounds like something is corrupting it, strange.

.hc

On Oct 24, 2007, at 7:17 PM, marius schebella wrote:

> well, I downloaded twice the same file and got different checksums.
> are you sure the server is ok? I mean, please upload a file to  
> another place and let me try from there. or ftp ore even sftp or  
> scp...
> marius.
>
> marius-schebellas-computer:~/Desktop/pd1 marius$ md5 Pd-0.39.3- 
> extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
> MD5 (Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg) =  
> f72ed066b0fc92f55115b6dfd621a9b9
> marius-schebellas-computer:~/Desktop/pd1 marius$ cd ../pd2/
> marius-schebellas-computer:~/Desktop/pd2 marius$ md5 Pd-0.39.3- 
> extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
> MD5 (Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg) =  
> 74744b1b7818e50fc3f7c7d67d193507
>
>
> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>> On Oct 24, 2007, at 5:52 PM, Steffen Juul wrote:
>>>
>>> On 24/10/2007, at 21.38, marius schebella wrote:
>>>
 marius-schebellas-computer:~/www/pd marius$ md5
 Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
 MD5 (Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg) =
 8f22b8ea93d414bc0f055b07c269f4e7
>>>
>>>
>>> $ md5 Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
>>> MD5 (Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg) =
>>> 06f53fc551f28aa084815b63449692fc
>>>
>>> They are not the same.
>> Weird, I just downloaded them all again, and got a different  
>> md5sum from both of you:
>> 2ea3c667de64cd13e8449fdd0bb24da1  Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104- 
>> i386.dmg
>>>
 marius-schebellas-computer:~/www/pd marius$ ls -l
 Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
 -rw-r--r--   1 marius  marius  35065615 Oct 24 15:16
 Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
>>>
>>>
>>> But it takes up the same space:
>>>
>>> $ ls -l Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
>>> -rw-r--r--   1 35065615 Oct 24 23:46 Pd-0.39.3-extended-
>>> macosx104-i386.dmg
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:md5sum > ls -l Pd-0.39.3-extended- 
>> macosx104-i386.dmg
>> -rw-r--r-- 1 hans wheel 35063177 Oct 24 18:21 Pd-0.39.3-extended- 
>> macosx104-i386.dmg
>> A couple of days later, I did reupload a newer release with fixed  
>> pdp help files, maybe you have the earlier version
>> .hc
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Re: [PD] still dmg error with pd-extended

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Oct 24, 2007, at 8:06 PM, Roman Haefeli wrote:

> i am not very sure, if i am correct, but i think, you cannot be sure,
> that you downloaded the exact file twice, since sourceforge directs  
> you
> to a different mirror, each time you click download. i couldn't  
> install
> and test it, but here download seemed ok, though i got again a  
> different
> md5 cheksum.
>
> from:
> http://internap.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/pure-data/Pd-0.39.3- 
> extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
>
> i got:
> 2ea3c667de64cd13e8449fdd0bb24da1  Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104- 
> i386.dmg

>> 2ea3c667de64cd13e8449fdd0bb24da1

Roman's and mine are the same,  I think that all of the SourceForge  
mirrors should have the exact same file.

.hc


>
> roman
>
>
>
> On Wed, 2007-10-24 at 19:17 -0400, marius schebella wrote:
>> well, I downloaded twice the same file and got different checksums.
>> are you sure the server is ok? I mean, please upload a file to  
>> another
>> place and let me try from there. or ftp ore even sftp or scp...
>> marius.
>>
>> marius-schebellas-computer:~/Desktop/pd1 marius$ md5
>> Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
>> MD5 (Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg) =
>> f72ed066b0fc92f55115b6dfd621a9b9
>> marius-schebellas-computer:~/Desktop/pd1 marius$ cd ../pd2/
>> marius-schebellas-computer:~/Desktop/pd2 marius$ md5
>> Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
>> MD5 (Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg) =
>> 74744b1b7818e50fc3f7c7d67d193507
>>
>>
>> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>>>
>>> On Oct 24, 2007, at 5:52 PM, Steffen Juul wrote:
>>>

 On 24/10/2007, at 21.38, marius schebella wrote:

> marius-schebellas-computer:~/www/pd marius$ md5
> Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
> MD5 (Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg) =
> 8f22b8ea93d414bc0f055b07c269f4e7


 $ md5 Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
 MD5 (Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg) =
 06f53fc551f28aa084815b63449692fc

 They are not the same.
>>>
>>> Weird, I just downloaded them all again, and got a different  
>>> md5sum from
>>> both of you:
>>>
>>> 2ea3c667de64cd13e8449fdd0bb24da1  Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104- 
>>> i386.dmg
>>>

> marius-schebellas-computer:~/www/pd marius$ ls -l
> Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
> -rw-r--r--   1 marius  marius  35065615 Oct 24 15:16
> Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg


 But it takes up the same space:

 $ ls -l Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
 -rw-r--r--   1 35065615 Oct 24 23:46 Pd-0.39.3-extended-
 macosx104-i386.dmg
>>>
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:md5sum > ls -l
>>> Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 hans wheel 35063177 Oct 24 18:21
>>> Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
>>>
>>> A couple of days later, I did reupload a newer release with fixed  
>>> pdp
>>> help files, maybe you have the earlier version
>>>
>>> .hc
>>>
>>>


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Re: [PD] still dmg error with pd-extended

[Roman Haefeli]

i am not very sure, if i am correct, but i think, you cannot be sure,
that you downloaded the exact file twice, since sourceforge directs you
to a different mirror, each time you click download. i couldn't install
and test it, but here download seemed ok, though i got again a different
md5 cheksum.

from:
http://internap.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/pure-data/Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg

i got:
2ea3c667de64cd13e8449fdd0bb24da1  Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg

roman



On Wed, 2007-10-24 at 19:17 -0400, marius schebella wrote:
> well, I downloaded twice the same file and got different checksums.
> are you sure the server is ok? I mean, please upload a file to another 
> place and let me try from there. or ftp ore even sftp or scp...
> marius.
> 
> marius-schebellas-computer:~/Desktop/pd1 marius$ md5 
> Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
> MD5 (Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg) = 
> f72ed066b0fc92f55115b6dfd621a9b9
> marius-schebellas-computer:~/Desktop/pd1 marius$ cd ../pd2/
> marius-schebellas-computer:~/Desktop/pd2 marius$ md5 
> Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
> MD5 (Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg) = 
> 74744b1b7818e50fc3f7c7d67d193507
> 
> 
> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> > 
> > On Oct 24, 2007, at 5:52 PM, Steffen Juul wrote:
> > 
> >>
> >> On 24/10/2007, at 21.38, marius schebella wrote:
> >>
> >>> marius-schebellas-computer:~/www/pd marius$ md5
> >>> Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
> >>> MD5 (Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg) =
> >>> 8f22b8ea93d414bc0f055b07c269f4e7
> >>
> >>
> >> $ md5 Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
> >> MD5 (Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg) =
> >> 06f53fc551f28aa084815b63449692fc
> >>
> >> They are not the same.
> > 
> > Weird, I just downloaded them all again, and got a different md5sum from 
> > both of you:
> > 
> > 2ea3c667de64cd13e8449fdd0bb24da1  Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
> > 
> >>
> >>> marius-schebellas-computer:~/www/pd marius$ ls -l
> >>> Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
> >>> -rw-r--r--   1 marius  marius  35065615 Oct 24 15:16
> >>> Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
> >>
> >>
> >> But it takes up the same space:
> >>
> >> $ ls -l Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
> >> -rw-r--r--   1 35065615 Oct 24 23:46 Pd-0.39.3-extended-
> >> macosx104-i386.dmg
> > 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:md5sum > ls -l 
> > Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
> > -rw-r--r-- 1 hans wheel 35063177 Oct 24 18:21 
> > Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
> > 
> > A couple of days later, I did reupload a newer release with fixed pdp 
> > help files, maybe you have the earlier version
> > 
> > .hc
> > 
> > 
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Re: [PD] metastudio released

[Ed Kelly]

> no idea what's going on.  It's fairly complex. It uses only 17% cpu  
> for the pd process but the gui uses something about 95%.


Ah. I'm so bad at documenting my projects, but I'm insanely busy right now with 
teaching. Believe me - I'm quite profoundly behind with many things, but will 
get around to writing proper help files at some point.

And yes, the gui. I needed to get to this point because I'd really like a more 
efficient gui, but my solution will be for now to make versions that are 
gui-less as well. The gui is only needed for composing the patterns and stuff - 
in performance it's not necessary. So - perhaps 0.2 will have this feature. I 
had to get 0.1 finished first.

Wouldn't it be nice to switch the gui on and off at will? Now there's a thought.
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Re: [PD] still dmg error with pd-extended

[marius schebella]

well, I downloaded twice the same file and got different checksums.
are you sure the server is ok? I mean, please upload a file to another 
place and let me try from there. or ftp ore even sftp or scp...
marius.

marius-schebellas-computer:~/Desktop/pd1 marius$ md5 
Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
MD5 (Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg) = 
f72ed066b0fc92f55115b6dfd621a9b9
marius-schebellas-computer:~/Desktop/pd1 marius$ cd ../pd2/
marius-schebellas-computer:~/Desktop/pd2 marius$ md5 
Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
MD5 (Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg) = 
74744b1b7818e50fc3f7c7d67d193507


Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> 
> On Oct 24, 2007, at 5:52 PM, Steffen Juul wrote:
> 
>>
>> On 24/10/2007, at 21.38, marius schebella wrote:
>>
>>> marius-schebellas-computer:~/www/pd marius$ md5
>>> Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
>>> MD5 (Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg) =
>>> 8f22b8ea93d414bc0f055b07c269f4e7
>>
>>
>> $ md5 Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
>> MD5 (Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg) =
>> 06f53fc551f28aa084815b63449692fc
>>
>> They are not the same.
> 
> Weird, I just downloaded them all again, and got a different md5sum from 
> both of you:
> 
> 2ea3c667de64cd13e8449fdd0bb24da1  Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
> 
>>
>>> marius-schebellas-computer:~/www/pd marius$ ls -l
>>> Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
>>> -rw-r--r--   1 marius  marius  35065615 Oct 24 15:16
>>> Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
>>
>>
>> But it takes up the same space:
>>
>> $ ls -l Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
>> -rw-r--r--   1 35065615 Oct 24 23:46 Pd-0.39.3-extended-
>> macosx104-i386.dmg
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:md5sum > ls -l 
> Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
> -rw-r--r-- 1 hans wheel 35063177 Oct 24 18:21 
> Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
> 
> A couple of days later, I did reupload a newer release with fixed pdp 
> help files, maybe you have the earlier version
> 
> .hc
> 
> 
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Re: [PD] still dmg error with pd-extended

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Oct 24, 2007, at 5:52 PM, Steffen Juul wrote:

>
> On 24/10/2007, at 21.38, marius schebella wrote:
>
>> marius-schebellas-computer:~/www/pd marius$ md5
>> Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
>> MD5 (Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg) =
>> 8f22b8ea93d414bc0f055b07c269f4e7
>
>
> $ md5 Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
> MD5 (Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg) =
> 06f53fc551f28aa084815b63449692fc
>
> They are not the same.

Weird, I just downloaded them all again, and got a different md5sum  
from both of you:

2ea3c667de64cd13e8449fdd0bb24da1  Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg

>
>> marius-schebellas-computer:~/www/pd marius$ ls -l
>> Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
>> -rw-r--r--   1 marius  marius  35065615 Oct 24 15:16
>> Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
>
>
> But it takes up the same space:
>
> $ ls -l Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
> -rw-r--r--   1 35065615 Oct 24 23:46 Pd-0.39.3-extended-
> macosx104-i386.dmg

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:md5sum > ls -l Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104- 
i386.dmg
-rw-r--r-- 1 hans wheel 35063177 Oct 24 18:21 Pd-0.39.3-extended- 
macosx104-i386.dmg

A couple of days later, I did reupload a newer release with fixed pdp  
help files, maybe you have the earlier version

.hc


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Re: [PD] latest gem version for windows

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Yeah, the Gem in Pd-extended/Windows is still a binary, it's not  
built from source every night...  It would be nice if it was, that  
means porting the Gem build to MinGW.  I think porting the ./ 
configure stuff to MinGW shouldn't be hard.  A bunch of extra libs  
will probably have to be compiled under MinGW as well.

.hc

On Oct 24, 2007, at 5:09 PM, marius schebella wrote:

> ok, I just saw that pd-extended has a gem version from 12/2006. still,
> loading a shader (fragment or vertex) crashes Pd...
> marius.
>
> 2007/10/24, marius schebella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> hey,
>>
>> it seems the latest gem version for windows is from 09/2006 (found on
>> gem.iem.at/release and also included in pd-extended)?
>> I tried some of my shader programs and gem crashed. the mac  
>> version is
>> from july 2007 and works (although that version has some other issues
>> (wrong colors...) and atm I cannot test the latest autobuilds).
>>
>> I think some changes were made since 2006, so it would be nice to  
>> see a
>> newer windows version. Are there newer gem binaries for windows?
>>
>> marius.
>>
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Re: [PD] still dmg error with pd-extended

[marius schebella]

thanks steffen,
I tried to download with different browsers, but always have problems. 
is it because of my internet connection?
I never had such problems before.
do you have any idea what the problem could be?
marius.

Steffen Juul wrote:
> 
> On 24/10/2007, at 21.38, marius schebella wrote:
> 
>> marius-schebellas-computer:~/www/pd marius$ md5
>> Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
>> MD5 (Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg) =
>> 8f22b8ea93d414bc0f055b07c269f4e7
> 
> 
> $ md5 Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
> MD5 (Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg) = 
> 06f53fc551f28aa084815b63449692fc
> 
> They are not the same.
> 
>> marius-schebellas-computer:~/www/pd marius$ ls -l
>> Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
>> -rw-r--r--   1 marius  marius  35065615 Oct 24 15:16
>> Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
> 
> 
> But it takes up the same space:
> 
> $ ls -l Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
> -rw-r--r--   1 35065615 Oct 24 23:46 
> Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
> 
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Re: [PD] still dmg error with pd-extended

[Steffen Juul]

On 24/10/2007, at 21.38, marius schebella wrote:

> marius-schebellas-computer:~/www/pd marius$ md5
> Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
> MD5 (Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg) =
> 8f22b8ea93d414bc0f055b07c269f4e7


$ md5 Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
MD5 (Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg) =  
06f53fc551f28aa084815b63449692fc

They are not the same.

> marius-schebellas-computer:~/www/pd marius$ ls -l
> Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
> -rw-r--r--   1 marius  marius  35065615 Oct 24 15:16
> Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg


But it takes up the same space:

$ ls -l Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
-rw-r--r--   1 35065615 Oct 24 23:46 Pd-0.39.3-extended- 
macosx104-i386.dmg


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[PD] Autobuild 20071024 debian testing

[Olivier Heinry]

Hi hans,

here is my report after trying to install the latest auytobuild for
debian i386 unstable:

the liglsl0 package was not installed, which was quite surprising since
I compiled PD 0.40.2 a few weeks back and since that had the required
glsl devlibs installed. After installing it, the installation proved
partially successful.

Bye!

O. 

===

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/telechargements$ sudo dpkg -i
Pd-0.40.3-extended-20071024-debian-testing-i386.deb 
(Lecture de la base de données... 145739 fichiers et répertoires déjà
installés.)
Préparation du remplacement de pd-extended 0.40.3cvs20071020-1 (en
utilisant Pd-0.40.3-extended-20071024-debian-testing-i386.deb) ...
Dépaquetage de la mise à jour de pd-extended ...
dpkg : des problèmes de dépendances empêchent la configuration de
pd-extended :
 pd-extended dépend de libgsl0 ; cependant :
  Le paquet libgsl0 n'est pas installé.
dpkg : erreur de traitement de pd-extended (--install) :
 problèmes de dépendances - laissé non configuré
Des erreurs ont été rencontrées pendant l'exécution :
 pd-extended

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/telechargements$ sudo apt-get install libgsl0
Lecture des listes de paquets... Fait
Construction de l'arbre des dépendances   
Lecture des informations d'état... Fait
Les paquets suivants ont été installés automatiquement et ne sont plus
nécessaires :
  libaubio2
Veuillez utiliser « apt-get autoremove » pour les supprimer.
Paquets suggérés :
  gsl-ref-psdoc gsl-doc-pdf gsl-ref-html
Les NOUVEAUX paquets suivants seront installés :
  libgsl0
0 mis à jour, 1 nouvellement installés, 0 à enlever et 530 non mis à
jour.
1 partiellement installés ou enlevés.
Il est nécessaire de prendre 770ko dans les archives.
Après dépaquetage, 2114ko d'espace disque supplémentaires seront
utilisés.
Réception de : 1 http://ftp.fr.debian.org stable/main libgsl0 1.8-2
[770kB]
770ko réceptionnés en 0s (828ko/s)
Lecture des champs des paquets... Fait
Lecture de l'état des paquets... Fait 
Récupération des rapports de bogue... Fait  
Analyse des informations Trouvé/Corrigé... Fait  
(Lecture de la base de données... 145741 fichiers et répertoires déjà
installés.)
Dépaquetage de libgsl0 (à partir de .../libgsl0_1.8-2_i386.deb) ...
Remplacés par des fichiers du paquet libgsl0ldbl déjà installé...
Remplacés par des fichiers du paquet libgsl0-dev déjà installé...
Paramétrage de libgsl0 (1.8-2) ...
Paramétrage de pd-extended (0.40.3cvs20071024-1) ...
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/telechargements$ sudo dpkg -i
Pd-0.40.3-extended-20071024-debian-testing-i386.deb 
(Lecture de la base de données... 145753 fichiers et répertoires déjà
installés.)
Préparation du remplacement de pd-extended 0.40.3cvs20071024-1 (en
utilisant Pd-0.40.3-extended-20071024-debian-testing-i386.deb) ...
Dépaquetage de la mise à jour de pd-extended ...
Paramétrage de pd-extended (0.40.3cvs20071024-1) ...

=

PD startup console show the following:

reading startup file: /home/olivier/.pdrc
class_addmethod: 0xb7be5220
consistency check failed: class_addmethod: textoutline_string: bad
argument types

class_addmethod: 0xb7be5220
consistency check failed: class_addmethod: textextruded_string: bad
argument types

class_addmethod: 0xb7be5220
consistency check failed: class_addmethod: text3d_string: bad argument
types

class_addmethod: 0xb7be5220
consistency check failed: class_addmethod: text2d_string: bad argument
types

class_addmethod: 0xb7ac7e40
consistency check failed: class_addmethod: GEMglProgramStringARB_string:
bad argument types

GEM: using MMX optimization
GEM: Graphics Environment for Multimedia
GEM: ver: 0.91-cvs
GEM: compiled: Oct 24 2007
GEM: maintained by IOhannes m zmoelnig
GEM: Authors :  Mark Danks (original version)
GEM:Chris Clepper
GEM:James Tittle
GEM:IOhannes m zmoelnig
GEM: with help by Guenter Geiger, Daniel Heckenberg, Cyrille Henry, et
al.


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Re: [PD] still dmg error with pd-extended

[marius schebella]

maybe I was to fast in saying that the installer works. it seems that
some fo the downloaded file were corrupted.
I tried it 3 times, and every time I get different errors:

C:\Programme\pd\bin\pd.dll

An error occured while trying to copy a file:
The source file is corrupted.

and also pgmout-help.pd, babelfish.blm, homer.avi,
pd-externals-HOWTO.pdf, midr-mjpeg.mov
(that was the first time)

the second time gave me these corrupted files:
logo100.gif, tcltk.pd, adv1.mcp, poke~.dll
mass3D.dll, inspace.dll

and then I got these problems:
msvcp71.dll. pd.dll, tk84.dll, G08.reverb.pd, env--help.pd,
miadr-mjpeg.mov, nixon.aiff, lib_x_midi.dll, framespect~.dll,
pd.window.pd, list2int.dll

is that a problem of my internet connection, or has the server problems?
marius.

2007/10/24, marius schebella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> btw, I also get this error with
> http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html
> and I checked my hardware (harddisk) for errors and permisssions ... no
> errors.
> Is there any other possibility to get the 10/13 autobuild? thanks.
> marius.
>
>
> marius schebella wrote:
> > It becomes even more strange, because I also get an error on my windows 
> > machine!
> > when I save the file Pd-0.39.3-extended-windowsxp-i386.exe and try to
> > open it, the installer says "The setup files are corrupted. Please
> > obtain a new copy of the program."
> > but, if I don't save the file, but run the installer directly from the
> > download, then it installs ok.
> > does anybody have similar problems?
> > marius.
> >
> > 2007/10/24, marius schebella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >> Hi,
> >> I tried the latest autobuild for intel mac and still get errors. during
> >> unpacking the dmg file. I tried the file from 10/24, called
> >> Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg. when I try to open the file I get
> >> an error "codec overrun".
> >> does anybody else have this problem, or a solution???
> >> here is some information...
> >>
> >> marius-schebellas-computer:~/www/pd marius$ md5
> >> Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
> >> MD5 (Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg) =
> >> 8f22b8ea93d414bc0f055b07c269f4e7
> >> marius-schebellas-computer:~/www/pd marius$ ls -l
> >> Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
> >> -rw-r--r--   1 marius  marius  35065615 Oct 24 15:16
> >> Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
> >>
> >> that is the -verbose output of hdiutils:
> >>
> >> Checksumming disk image (Apple_HFS : 2)...
> >> 
> >>   disk image (Apple_HFS : 2): checksum failed with error 1000.
> >> CUDIFDiskImage:
> >> error 1000 calculating checksum
> >>
> >> Verification completed...
> >> Error 1000 (codec overrun).
> >> calculated CRC32 $35E3CD16, expected   CRC32 $085F4829
> >> Finishing...
> >> DIHLDiskImageAttach() returned 1000
> >> {type = immutable, count = 0,
> >> capacity = 0, pairs = (
> >> )}
> >> hdiutil: mount failed - codec overrun
> >> marius-schebellas-computer:~/www/pd marius$
> >>
> >> marius.
> >>
> >
>
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Re: [PD] latest gem version for windows

[marius schebella]

ok, I just saw that pd-extended has a gem version from 12/2006. still,
loading a shader (fragment or vertex) crashes Pd...
marius.

2007/10/24, marius schebella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> hey,
>
> it seems the latest gem version for windows is from 09/2006 (found on
> gem.iem.at/release and also included in pd-extended)?
> I tried some of my shader programs and gem crashed. the mac version is
> from july 2007 and works (although that version has some other issues
> (wrong colors...) and atm I cannot test the latest autobuilds).
>
> I think some changes were made since 2006, so it would be nice to see a
> newer windows version. Are there newer gem binaries for windows?
>
> marius.
>

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Re: [PD] 2D pad

[Frank Barknecht]

Hallo,
Frank Barknecht hat gesagt: // Frank Barknecht wrote:

> Hm, what's unreliable there? I've posted an abstraction here some time
> ago (2005?) in an archive controller.tgz, that uses DS and should work
> out of the box. I can dig up the newer version if you like, which
> works without metros, but may not work with the old version of Pd
> that's in pd-extended.

Dug it up, attached.

Ciao
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[PD] latest gem version for windows

[marius schebella]

hey,

it seems the latest gem version for windows is from 09/2006 (found on 
gem.iem.at/release and also included in pd-extended)?
I tried some of my shader programs and gem crashed. the mac version is 
from july 2007 and works (although that version has some other issues 
(wrong colors...) and atm I cannot test the latest autobuilds).

I think some changes were made since 2006, so it would be nice to see a 
newer windows version. Are there newer gem binaries for windows?

marius.

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Re: [PD] still dmg error with pd-extended

[marius schebella]

btw, I also get this error with
http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html
and I checked my hardware (harddisk) for errors and permisssions ... no 
errors.
Is there any other possibility to get the 10/13 autobuild? thanks.
marius.


marius schebella wrote:
> It becomes even more strange, because I also get an error on my windows 
> machine!
> when I save the file Pd-0.39.3-extended-windowsxp-i386.exe and try to
> open it, the installer says "The setup files are corrupted. Please
> obtain a new copy of the program."
> but, if I don't save the file, but run the installer directly from the
> download, then it installs ok.
> does anybody have similar problems?
> marius.
> 
> 2007/10/24, marius schebella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> Hi,
>> I tried the latest autobuild for intel mac and still get errors. during
>> unpacking the dmg file. I tried the file from 10/24, called
>> Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg. when I try to open the file I get
>> an error "codec overrun".
>> does anybody else have this problem, or a solution???
>> here is some information...
>>
>> marius-schebellas-computer:~/www/pd marius$ md5
>> Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
>> MD5 (Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg) =
>> 8f22b8ea93d414bc0f055b07c269f4e7
>> marius-schebellas-computer:~/www/pd marius$ ls -l
>> Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
>> -rw-r--r--   1 marius  marius  35065615 Oct 24 15:16
>> Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
>>
>> that is the -verbose output of hdiutils:
>>
>> Checksumming disk image (Apple_HFS : 2)...
>> 
>>   disk image (Apple_HFS : 2): checksum failed with error 1000.
>> CUDIFDiskImage:
>> error 1000 calculating checksum
>>
>> Verification completed...
>> Error 1000 (codec overrun).
>> calculated CRC32 $35E3CD16, expected   CRC32 $085F4829
>> Finishing...
>> DIHLDiskImageAttach() returned 1000
>> {type = immutable, count = 0,
>> capacity = 0, pairs = (
>> )}
>> hdiutil: mount failed - codec overrun
>> marius-schebellas-computer:~/www/pd marius$
>>
>> marius.
>>
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Re: [PD] still dmg error with pd-extended

[marius schebella]

It becomes even more strange, because I also get an error on my windows machine!
when I save the file Pd-0.39.3-extended-windowsxp-i386.exe and try to
open it, the installer says "The setup files are corrupted. Please
obtain a new copy of the program."
but, if I don't save the file, but run the installer directly from the
download, then it installs ok.
does anybody have similar problems?
marius.

2007/10/24, marius schebella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hi,
> I tried the latest autobuild for intel mac and still get errors. during
> unpacking the dmg file. I tried the file from 10/24, called
> Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg. when I try to open the file I get
> an error "codec overrun".
> does anybody else have this problem, or a solution???
> here is some information...
>
> marius-schebellas-computer:~/www/pd marius$ md5
> Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
> MD5 (Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg) =
> 8f22b8ea93d414bc0f055b07c269f4e7
> marius-schebellas-computer:~/www/pd marius$ ls -l
> Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
> -rw-r--r--   1 marius  marius  35065615 Oct 24 15:16
> Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
>
> that is the -verbose output of hdiutils:
>
> Checksumming disk image (Apple_HFS : 2)...
> 
>   disk image (Apple_HFS : 2): checksum failed with error 1000.
> CUDIFDiskImage:
> error 1000 calculating checksum
>
> Verification completed...
> Error 1000 (codec overrun).
> calculated CRC32 $35E3CD16, expected   CRC32 $085F4829
> Finishing...
> DIHLDiskImageAttach() returned 1000
> {type = immutable, count = 0,
> capacity = 0, pairs = (
> )}
> hdiutil: mount failed - codec overrun
> marius-schebellas-computer:~/www/pd marius$
>
> marius.
>

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[PD] still dmg error with pd-extended

[marius schebella]

Hi,
I tried the latest autobuild for intel mac and still get errors. during 
unpacking the dmg file. I tried the file from 10/24, called 
Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg. when I try to open the file I get 
an error "codec overrun".
does anybody else have this problem, or a solution???
here is some information...

marius-schebellas-computer:~/www/pd marius$ md5 
Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
MD5 (Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg) = 
8f22b8ea93d414bc0f055b07c269f4e7
marius-schebellas-computer:~/www/pd marius$ ls -l 
Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg
-rw-r--r--   1 marius  marius  35065615 Oct 24 15:16 
Pd-0.39.3-extended-macosx104-i386.dmg

that is the -verbose output of hdiutils:

Checksumming disk image (Apple_HFS : 2)...

   disk image (Apple_HFS : 2): checksum failed with error 1000.
CUDIFDiskImage:
 
error 1000 calculating checksum

Verification completed...
Error 1000 (codec overrun).
calculated CRC32 $35E3CD16, expected   CRC32 $085F4829
Finishing...
DIHLDiskImageAttach() returned 1000
{type = immutable, count = 0, 
capacity = 0, pairs = (
)}
hdiutil: mount failed - codec overrun
marius-schebellas-computer:~/www/pd marius$

marius.

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Re: [PD] 2D pad

[Frank Barknecht]

Hallo,
Robert Scott hat gesagt: // Robert Scott wrote:

> I've tried encapsulating a data structure in a GOP abstraction, but I find it 
> terribly unreliable.

Hm, what's unreliable there? I've posted an abstraction here some time
ago (2005?) in an archive controller.tgz, that uses DS and should work
out of the box. I can dig up the newer version if you like, which
works without metros, but may not work with the old version of Pd
that's in pd-extended.

Ciao
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Re: [PD] 2D pad

[Jack]

Le 24 oct. 07 à 15:35, Robert Scott a écrit :

> Hi,
>
> What do most people do when they need a simple 2D slider, or 'xy pad'?
Hello,
They use [gcanvas] or [grid].
Is it ok ?

Jack

>
> I've tried encapsulating a data structure in a GOP abstraction, but  
> I find it
> terribly unreliable.
>
>
> robert.
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[PD] 2D pad

[Robert Scott]

Hi,

What do most people do when they need a simple 2D slider, or 'xy pad'?

I've tried encapsulating a data structure in a GOP abstraction, but I find it 
terribly unreliable.


robert.

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Re: [PD] Spectrum graphing amplitude problem

[Steffen Juul]

On 24/10/2007, at 13.33, Ed Kelly wrote:

> Chun did a cool thing - it would be interesting to know how the  
> video was made. Look up 'chun lee glass cloud' on youtube.


Wicket -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJ-6_9ahw08

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Re: [PD] metastudio released

[Steffen Juul]

On 24/10/2007, at 13.00, Ed Kelly wrote:

> I'm interested to know if the patches are loading OK on OSX (you're  
> running a Mac Book right?)

I am at leat. I seam to work alright. Just need to [import ekext].  
It's big for a small screen. I've only tried the demodrum one as it  
had a 'load something that make it play sounds' button. I have almost  
no idea what's going on.  It's fairly complex. It uses only 17% cpu  
for the pd process but the gui uses something about 95%.

Thanks for sharing, Ed.

Best, Steffen

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Re: [PD] Spectrum graphing amplitude problem

[Ed Kelly]

My theory is that the brain automatically 're-frames' the image when you move 
your eyes. Here's a point - the eyes never move smoothly unless tracking a 
moving object to keep it stationary within the field of vision. They always 
dart about.
Cinema would not work if our eyes were digital, since the frame rate of our 
eyes would go out of sync with the pictures. Persistence of vision is why 
cinema works. Projectors (35mm) show each frame three times, so that there is 
no flicker to the image, so if there is a 'sampling rate' of the eye then it is 
certainly higher than the 72 flickers-per-second.
Flourescent gas discharge lamps flicker, albeit at a very high speed, so this 
explains the aliasing effect. This is a great way of explaining aliasing (like 
cartwheels in a 'Western' movie) because the light is 'sampling' the bicycle 
wheel.
My bicycle wheels are so buckled that this becomes very confusing to look at ;-)

Going back to the spectrum graphing amplitude problem - there should be a way 
to use peakit~ and build a graphical data structure-based array around its 
findings. I think data structures are the way forward for this sort of thing 
since they represent information in an abstract graphical way.
examples/ekext/peakit-listmoses.pd (but there's no graphical array yet)
Chun did a cool thing - it would be interesting to know how the video was made. 
Look up 'chun lee glass cloud' on youtube. Gem?

Best,
Ed


On 10/22/07, Roman Haefeli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 2007-10-22 at 17:33 -0500, Charles Henry wrote:
> > On 10/22/07, Martin Peach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
> > > >A very simple way to explain aliased frequencies would be: spin
 a bicycle
> > > >wheel. When you accelerate it beyond a certain point, it will
 begin to look
> > > >like it's going backwards instead. This is because the wheel
 speed,
> > > >together with the repetitiveness of the wheel's appearance, have
 crossed
> > > >the Nyquist frequency of your eye.
> > >
> > > That won't work in sunlight for example.
> >
> > Haven't you ever seen it?  (in sunlight that is)

As implied, I'm 99% positive I've seen it before.  You might still be
able to convince me that I haven't ;)

> i think, that is the point that martin is trying to make.
>
> i am not an expert either, but when i encountered this effect
 (watching
> the frontwheel, while cycling at night, for instance), there was
 always
> artificial light involved. to be more precise, there was always kind
 of
> a fluorescence or any other kind of 'gas discharge lamp' (is that the
> correct expression?) involved. it doesn't seem to work with common
 light
> bulbs, since their 'afterglow time' is too long.
>
> for me, it seems, that it is rather related to the light source and
 its
> frequency and not to a property of the eye.

hey, what do you know, there's even a wiki page on it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagon-wheel_effect

Vision is in fact not purely analog.  Although I don't necessarily
think the "discrete frame" theory mentioned in the page is true, there
is a counterexample.  When your eyes make a saccade (fast movement),
there is no blurring.  There is an inhibition of the movement in
between the two visual scenes.
There is also nystagmus.  Even when images appear perfectly clear, the
eye moves in random oscillations.  When researchers (I forget the
citation/can't find it) used an eye camera to track random
oscillations and corrected for the movement (creating a static
retinotopic image), the perceived image disappears.  There may be
something involved in correcting for nystagmus that renders an image
in a series of apparently still frames.  I don't know for sure.

Chuck

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Re: [PD] metastudio released

[Ed Kelly]

Hi hard-off,

> i tried loading a demo song, still just getting very clicky sounds,
> but i will give it more of a go to find its sweet spots.  the rhythms
> are cool.

I'm interested to know if the patches are loading OK on OSX (you're running a 
Mac Book right?). When you load the demo song, the [patches\ number box on the 
BIG drum synth should read something like 128 or 120 (but not 0). If not, try 
loading from the drum synth load button - patches are in the /meta-studio/pat 
folder and the file is something like sinoiseclickr_demo.txt.

> holey dooley! you want to try that out on a 13" monitor!  looks like
> there's heaps of good stuff in there though.
I have become aloof about my 17" screen, evidently!
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Re: [PD] [PD-dev] working towards Pd-0.40.3-extended

[Mathieu Bouchard]

On Wed, 24 Oct 2007, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:

On Tue, 23 Oct 2007, Miller Puckette wrote:

Drat, we need some way to list the available fonts by the appropriate
names so that Tk will find them.  I don't know a simple way to do that
at the moment!

Dude.
You'd find it in "def FontDialog init", if you bothered to look there.


I didn't want to look that pissed, but I sure did anyway.

What I want to say is that a lot of problems of PureData have already been 
solved in DesireData, and for something of the order of one line of code, 
you can't possibly have copyright/licensing problems if you just copy it.


I don't really need to do anything to keep any potential competitive 
advantage of DesireData. The main protection I have is some people's 
unwillingness to grep the source code.


I'm saying that in the interest of everybody. Now if I only had a 
consistent work schedule for DesireData instead of orbiting around the 
rest of the work that is left to be done... this issue could be moot.


My 2.07 cents.

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Re: [PD] scroll bug

[IOhannes m zmoelnig]

IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
> Matteo Sisti Sette wrote
> oh sorry, i was not aware of that.
> to me it seemed that between your posting to the tracker and to the ml a 
> timespan of 4 hours elapsed.
> (the tracker-item was created at 14:42 to which is responded at 15:23,
> my mailclient (thunderbird) shows the _sending_ date for your email as 
> 18:06CEST)

which i have to admit does not sum-up to 4 hours (if the sf-time is 
really given in local time, which i don't know)

fgmas.dr
IOhannes

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Re: [PD] scroll bug

[IOhannes m zmoelnig]

Matteo Sisti Sette wrote:
>> actually matteo just wanted to point out that he has already submitted a
>> bug-report to the bug-tracker [1817858]
> 
>> i think he only wanted to raise the priority on a social level.
> 
> 
> If I didn't wait even 45 minutes (nor even 5 probably) after reporting the 
> bug before I wrote to the ml, it was not for impatience but just because the 

oh sorry, i was not aware of that.
to me it seemed that between your posting to the tracker and to the ml a 
timespan of 4 hours elapsed.
(the tracker-item was created at 14:42 to which is responded at 15:23,
my mailclient (thunderbird) shows the _sending_ date for your email as 
18:06CEST)
i admit i haven't fully checked whether your email was stuck in some 
greylisting/... and therefore whether it was actually sent at about the 
same time

> two messages were intended for different targets: just like one may post a 
> question to two (or more) different forum all related to the topic of his 
> question.
> I didn't even expect any quick workaround or "hack" to be posted to the 
> tracker.

darn, i am too fast...

> 
> Thank you very much IOhannes for the fix you posted, however I'm afraid I 
> can't try it out.
> Correct me if I'm wrong: I need to recompile PD after modifying the source 
> code with the patch, right?

wrong.
you just need to edit the pd.tk file which is read and interpreted at 
runtime by the tcl/tk-interpreter (wish on w32)
the only thing you have to do is restart pd...


> I don't have the skills to do that right now, sorry.

it is very simple: download the patch and open it with a decent 
text-editor (notepad might have problems with the carriage returns)
any line prefixed with a "-" is to be removed from the original source, 
and line prefixed with a "+" is to be added.
the lines without prefixes are there to give you a context (e.g. if you 
have already applied another patch (e.g. because you are not using 
pd-vanilla's pd.tk) the line-numbers might differ, but the context will 
hopefully be the same)

what you basically have to do is change the 2 occurences of 
"-%D/abs(%D)" to "(%D>0)?:-1:1" (or something like this, i don't 
remember exactly)


> Btw, I am using Windows version of PD (vanilla 0.40.2), sorry I didn't 
> mention it in the report (i usually do, it was an oversight).

no big problem; i imagined something like this :-)
the problem can only occur on w32 and os-x (linux/freebsd uses different 
code here that cannot divide by zero)


mfga.dr
IOhannes

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Re: [PD] Array indexing for the wind and the birds

[Jamie Bullock]

On Tue, 2007-10-23 at 15:03 -0400, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Oct 2007, Jamie Bullock wrote:
> 
> > BUT, I don't think dynamic patching in Pd as it currently stands is
> > officially supported (by Miller),
> 
> It's quite useless to say that, unless you are interested in the 
> philosophical aspects of whether dynamic patching is a feature of pd, what 
> is a feature, and the meaning of "official" and perhaps of "is". At least 
> several commands of dynamic patching are so much used that Miller can't 
> remove them, and if he did, then Hans would put them back anyway.
> 
> > and unexpected things can happen!
> 
> What are you talking about?
> 

http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2007-09/053892.html

...unless you are interested in the philosophical aspects of whether
crashing is a feature of pd, and the meaning of "unexpected" in the
context of the following:

> > "init" is one of many messages that Pd and its gui send back and
forth, which
> > aren't intended to have any user-level functionality... of course, some
> > of those messages like "connect" have proved useful at the user level; but
> > none of them are guaranteed to do anything useful or even to be safe.  The
> > only one that's "supported" is "dsp" for turning audio computation on and 
> > off.

Jamie

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Re: [PD] [PD-dev] working towards Pd-0.40.3-extended

[Mathieu Bouchard]

On Tue, 23 Oct 2007, Miller Puckette wrote:


Drat, we need some way to list the available fonts by the appropriate
names so that Tk will find them.  I don't know a simple way to do that
at the moment!


Dude.

You'd find it in "def FontDialog init", if you bothered to look there.

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