[PD] Notch filter
Hello all ! I'd like to make a 2pole notch filter. I found a few topics about notch filters on this list but I didn't understand everything. I read that I could make one with biquad~ but this object is somehow obscure to me. I don't know how to deal with the 5 parameters. In maxmsp, you have the filtergraph~ object which translates your Freq, Q and so on for use with biquad~ but in pd I just don't get it... The filtergraph pd objects are also difficult for me to understand. Could someone explain me how I can make a notch with biquad~ (or with any other native pd objects) please ? Thanks. _y ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Notch filter
yvan volochine wrote: Could someone explain me how I can make a notch with biquad~ (or with any other native pd objects) please ? A notch filter is basically this in a z-plane plot: | |o cos(a),sin(a) | xr*cos(a), r*sin(a) | + | | xr*cos(a), -r*sin(a) |o cos(a),sin(a) | Where: o = zero on unit circle x = pole just inside unit circle Parameters: a = 2*pi*frequency/samplerate (zero+pole angle) r = just less than 1 (pole radius) The closer r is to 1, the narrower the notch is. Pd objects: samplerate~ czero~ cpole~ expr~ -- for accuracy cos~ -- for speed, note cos~ expects 0..1 instead of 0..2PI See also: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/techniques/latest/book-html/node144.html Hope this helps, Claude -- http://claudiusmaximus.goto10.org ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pdlua output
also, the code works in lua but not in the pdlua object
somewhere i am getting mixed up between floats lists strings atoms
tables etc. but i cant see where
here is the working lua code
tbl = {}
table.insert(tbl, '1, s22df, 1, score = 3')
table.insert(tbl, '1, s22df, 1, score = 2')
table.insert(tbl, '1, s22df, 1, score = 1')
for i, v in ipairs(tbl) do if string.match(v, score = 1, 1, true)
then print(v) end end
1, s22df, 1, score = 1
thanks
rob
i'll clarify a bit...
i add a list to a table with:
-- insert [list] into 1st inlet:
function M:in_1_insert(list)
table.insert(self.mydata, list)
end
then i search the table for the pattern score = 1 and ask it to
print the lines containing the matched pattern
-- what to do on scores into 1st inlet:
function M:in_1_scores()
for i, v in ipairs(self.mydata) do
if string.match(v, score = 1, 1, true) then
self:outlet(1, list, v) end
end
end
the problem is that the string.match is expecting a string and getting
a table and i'm not sure how to fix this - i thought the ipairs was
iterating the table into a string but its not.
here is the error from pd:
[string rob2]:19: bad argument #1 to 'match' (string expected, got
table)
lua and lua files attached
any guidance welcome,
thanks
rob c
local NAME_OF_CLASS = rob2
local M = pd.Class:new():register(NAME_OF_CLASS)
function M:initialize(name, args)
self.outlets = 2
self.inlets = 1
self.mydata = {}
return true
end
-- insert [list] into 1st inlet:
function M:in_1_insert(list)
table.insert(self.mydata, list)
end
-- what to do on scores into 1st inlet:
function M:in_1_scores()
for i, v in ipairs(self.mydata) do
if string.match(v, score = 1, 1, true) then
self:outlet(1, foo, v) end
end
end
-- what to do on print into 1st inlet:
function M:in_1_print()
for k,v in pairs(self.mydata) do
pd.post(k .. : .. table.concat(self.mydata[k], ))
end
end
-- what to do on reset into 1st inlet:
function M:in_1_reset()
self.mydata = {}
end
#N canvas 123 334 512 437 10;
#X msg 52 64 print;
#X msg 53 86 scores;
#X obj 17 131 rob2;
#X msg 17 43 insert s d d d 2 2 2 2 w score = 1;
#X msg 54 106 reset;
#X obj 17 161 prepend set;
#X msg 17 183;
#X obj 17 11 loadbang;
#X connect 0 0 2 0;
#X connect 1 0 2 0;
#X connect 2 0 5 0;
#X connect 3 0 2 0;
#X connect 4 0 2 0;
#X connect 5 0 6 0;
#X connect 7 0 3 0
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Re: [PD] Notch filter
Thanx for your prompt answer Claude. I've read this on Puckette's book and other stuffs on the web, but my problem is how to implement those equations in pd's world ? Sorry if this sounds stupid... Best. _y ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Basic question about Mac Os X
After 13 years working with Linux i have now to deal with a Mac (for instance an iMac running 10.4.11 and pd 0.39-extended) and all seems new the basic question then... while i wait for a USB card (btw any recommendation is very welcome) i was trying making some test with PD patches but when i connect and use the line-in built-in in the machine i have troubles getting any recognizable sound to the dac~. It looks like the problem is with the adc~ since osc~ to dac~ produce the sound i would expect to hear. I put to zero the built in microphone (is there any way to mute it completely??), and played with line in levels but nothing acceptable is coming out. Just to clarify, the problem seems related directly with PD, because other applications that use line in they reproduce the sound at a decent quality. Any hint would be greatly appreciated...Sorry for downgrading the level of the discussion on this list... :-) Thank you, ciao, marco trevisani ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Basic question about Mac Os X
I think it's in : ApplicationsUtilitiesAudio and Midi config ++ Jack Le 23 janv. 08 à 16:21, marco trevisani a écrit : After 13 years working with Linux i have now to deal with a Mac (for instance an iMac running 10.4.11 and pd 0.39-extended) and all seems new the basic question then... while i wait for a USB card (btw any recommendation is very welcome) i was trying making some test with PD patches but when i connect and use the line-in built-in in the machine i have troubles getting any recognizable sound to the dac~. It looks like the problem is with the adc~ since osc~ to dac~ produce the sound i would expect to hear. I put to zero the built in microphone (is there any way to mute it completely??), and played with line in levels but nothing acceptable is coming out. Just to clarify, the problem seems related directly with PD, because other applications that use line in they reproduce the sound at a decent quality. Any hint would be greatly appreciated...Sorry for downgrading the level of the discussion on this list... :-) Thank you, ciao, marco trevisani ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] another [declare -lib] strangeness
hi originally i wanted to write the following feature-request: using [declare] to load libraries (e.g. [declare -lib mylib]) works nicely. however, when i have several abstractions all depending on the same library (and thus all have an instance of [declare -lib mylib]), i get an error mylib: already loaded for each abstraction depending on mylib but the first. would it be possible to suppress this warning? (i don't see a reason to keep it) i wrote a wee example to illustrate this behaviour, and while doing so i noticed a real weirdness: when i save a patch holding an abstraction with a [declare -lib mylib], this parent patch will also have the #X declare -lib mylib line (without a direct representation in the patch) what is even weirder is, that it gets an additional line for each abstraction containing a [declare]. e.g. if i have 4 instances of an abstraction in my patch, i will get 4 additional declare-lines. loading this patch, i will get 7 errors that mylib: already loaded (4 warnings from the abstractions; 3 warnings from the patch; only the 1st declare-line in the patch gets evaluated properly) is this by design? or is it a bug? (i cannot see any harm right now, but it is a bit annoying) all this is happening with Pd-0.41-0test11 on linux. fgmasdr. IOhannes ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Basic question about Mac Os X
Hmm, are people having trouble finding the audio and midi settings hidden away in prefernces on Apples? Maybe I should move it back where it belongs under media, or else include it both places. (I doubt that's Marco's problem, but I always have trouble finding it myself :) M On Wed, Jan 23, 2008 at 05:26:10PM +0100, Jack wrote: I think it's in : ApplicationsUtilitiesAudio and Midi config ++ Jack Le 23 janv. 08 ? 16:21, marco trevisani a ?crit : After 13 years working with Linux i have now to deal with a Mac (for instance an iMac running 10.4.11 and pd 0.39-extended) and all seems new the basic question then... while i wait for a USB card (btw any recommendation is very welcome) i was trying making some test with PD patches but when i connect and use the line-in built-in in the machine i have troubles getting any recognizable sound to the dac~. It looks like the problem is with the adc~ since osc~ to dac~ produce the sound i would expect to hear. I put to zero the built in microphone (is there any way to mute it completely??), and played with line in levels but nothing acceptable is coming out. Just to clarify, the problem seems related directly with PD, because other applications that use line in they reproduce the sound at a decent quality. Any hint would be greatly appreciated...Sorry for downgrading the level of the discussion on this list... :-) Thank you, ciao, marco trevisani ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Gem: alpha blending without loss of brightness
Hallo! I have again a basic alpha blending problem, where I don't find a solution: For example I have two images (A + B), which are overlapping at a small part (C): | image A | | | | |-- | | C | | ---| | | | | image B| --- Now I want that image A and image B looks normal (unchanged) and in the overlapping part the two images are added so that one sees both - and all this with openGL commands (not pix_add or similar, because I have lots of such regions). OK, I gave all images an alpha value of 0.5, but then the whole image losses brightness. So my question: is there a way to get this alpha blending and without a loss of brightness in the images ? or can I renormalize this effect somehow (re-increase the brightness) ? (see attached patch where I illustruted this problem with 2 colored rectangles) Thanks for any hint, LG Georg #N canvas 545 0 684 281 10; #X obj 27 140 gemwin; #X msg 44 71 create \, 1; #X msg 47 102 destroy; #X obj 161 205 rectangle 2 1; #X obj 162 71 gemhead; #X obj 163 107 colorRGB 1 0 0 0.5; #X floatatom 267 61 5 0 0 0 - - -; #X obj 466 204 rectangle 2 1; #X obj 467 74 gemhead; #X floatatom 574 70 5 0 0 0 - - -; #X obj 163 178 alpha; #X obj 467 176 alpha; #X obj 161 141 translateXYZ -1 0 0; #X obj 469 136 translateXYZ 1 0.2 0; #X obj 469 104 colorRGB 0 1 0 0.5; #X text 260 26 when you change these alpha values here \, also the colors of the non-overlapping region change:; #X connect 1 0 0 0; #X connect 2 0 0 0; #X connect 4 0 5 0; #X connect 5 0 12 0; #X connect 6 0 5 4; #X connect 8 0 14 0; #X connect 9 0 14 4; #X connect 10 0 3 0; #X connect 11 0 7 0; #X connect 12 0 10 0; #X connect 13 0 11 0; #X connect 14 0 13 0; ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Basic question about Mac Os X
Is this on an Intel iMac? If so, you may just need to set up an Aggregate device in Audio MIDI Setup. btw no such thing as downgrading the level of discussion:) cheers dafydd On Jan 23, 2008 11:35 AM, Miller Puckette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm, are people having trouble finding the audio and midi settings hidden away in prefernces on Apples? Maybe I should move it back where it belongs under media, or else include it both places. (I doubt that's Marco's problem, but I always have trouble finding it myself :) M On Wed, Jan 23, 2008 at 05:26:10PM +0100, Jack wrote: I think it's in : ApplicationsUtilitiesAudio and Midi config ++ Jack Le 23 janv. 08 ? 16:21, marco trevisani a ?crit : After 13 years working with Linux i have now to deal with a Mac (for instance an iMac running 10.4.11 and pd 0.39-extended) and all seems new the basic question then... while i wait for a USB card (btw any recommendation is very welcome) i was trying making some test with PD patches but when i connect and use the line-in built-in in the machine i have troubles getting any recognizable sound to the dac~. It looks like the problem is with the adc~ since osc~ to dac~ produce the sound i would expect to hear. I put to zero the built in microphone (is there any way to mute it completely??), and played with line in levels but nothing acceptable is coming out. Just to clarify, the problem seems related directly with PD, because other applications that use line in they reproduce the sound at a decent quality. Any hint would be greatly appreciated...Sorry for downgrading the level of the discussion on this list... :-) Thank you, ciao, marco trevisani ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- www.sideshowmedia.ca skype: chickeninthegrass ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] ttf-vera (was: Re: pd-extended, version)
On Jan 19, 2008, at 3:15 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Ctrl Alt Back [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Are you on GNU/Linux? If so, you are either missing the Bitstream Vera Sans Mono or your font support is messed up. It's unfortunately not uncommon. ttf-bitstream-vera is already the newest version yesterday, i was informed that ttf-bitstream-vera is going to be removed from debian in the (near ?) future. seems like we should use another font or provide it with pd(- extended). probably it would really be the best if the default font was included with Pd. this would also help me with Gem finding a default font... That font is one of the default GNOME fonts and part of the GNOME suite, why would they remove it? Do you have a link/reference about that? It seems there should be a global font path in Pd, so that this stuff can be set in one place and shared. .hc All mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man dies, one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better language; and every chapter must be so translated -John Donne ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Gem: alpha blending without loss of brightness
hello, you can set alpha blend type to be the maxinmum of each images. cyrille Georg Holzmann a écrit : Hallo! I have again a basic alpha blending problem, where I don't find a solution: For example I have two images (A + B), which are overlapping at a small part (C): | image A | | | | |-- | | C | | ---| | | | | image B| --- Now I want that image A and image B looks normal (unchanged) and in the overlapping part the two images are added so that one sees both - and all this with openGL commands (not pix_add or similar, because I have lots of such regions). OK, I gave all images an alpha value of 0.5, but then the whole image losses brightness. So my question: is there a way to get this alpha blending and without a loss of brightness in the images ? or can I renormalize this effect somehow (re-increase the brightness) ? (see attached patch where I illustruted this problem with 2 colored rectangles) Thanks for any hint, LG Georg ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] ttf-vera
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: That font is one of the default GNOME fonts and part of the GNOME suite, why would they remove it? Do you have a link/reference about that? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=461282 It seems there should be a global font path in Pd, so that this stuff can be set in one place and shared. Gem is searching all the pd-paths. e.g. ./extra would be a good place where it would find a default font... gfamsdr IOhannes ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] another [declare -lib] strangeness
No, I never tried, thinking, as I do, that it couldn't possibly work :) Anyway, I can't imagine changing it so close to a release, since anything that could be considered correct would take months of testing to get working correctly, so, like it or not, I think I have to try to figure out what it does and make sre it keeps doing that. cheers Miller On Wed, Jan 23, 2008 at 05:48:50PM +0100, Roman Haefeli wrote: On Wed, 2008-01-23 at 08:25 -0800, Miller Puckette wrote: Hmm. It never occured to me that people would want to put declare objects inside abstractions (I think it's unwise to do so because there's no way to contain the declare object's effects to within the abstraction.) That it's adding stuff to the parent patch is a serious bug; there's no reason to believe that putting declare in abstractions is doing a useful thing at all at present! please don't feel offended, but did you seriously test [declare] within abstractions? i did test [declare -stdpath] in pd-0.40.3 (see my mail in pd-dev [1]) and it works as at least i would expect it: it adds the path to the abstractions search pathes only, but not to the parent patch. if this is _not_ the expected behaviour, then lets define some [declare] test environment for all different flags in order to avoid declare confusions in the future. [1] http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-dev/2008-01/010643.html roman ___ Der fr?he Vogel f?ngt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Gem slow down in Ubuntu 7.10 amd64
Hi. I have trouble, using gem in Ubuntu Gutsy 64. When i create Gem window and start render i always get somthing, such a- can't create single buffer window, serious error. Then i have big slow down for all video in gemwin. If i disable desktop effects, i also get slow down in all my videoplayers in Ubuntu. How i can fix it? I think, problem in videodrivers, or PD rendering type. Sorry for basic questions, it's my first OSS system and program. Big thx. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] colors ( exthread : pd-extended, version )
hi, i compiled one pd-extended on gentoo as well, following http://puredata.info/docs/developer/Members/nanodust/pd-extended-gentoo and found # color scheme section, was able to change canvas_fill, text_color .. etc, but there was no set canvas_fill white line. I tried to add that line but did not seem to do anything. There was couple of postings where pd users demanded pd with reversed colors, or at least darker background for using on stage and not getting blinded. I am wandering if enybody found easy way how to configure this? CtrlAltBack -- |||Ctrl + Alt + Back||| |||restart your view||| On Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 09:17:59AM -0500, Martin Peach wrote: Ctrl Alt Back wrote: On Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 12:42:06AM +0100, Ctrl Alt Back wrote: the look of pd-extended : light greyed objects, text running out of objects, lack of synoptic overview - is that definite ? can i configure it that it looks the old way ? yes it is possible but how ? i installed it on another machine, and it keeps the same old look. CtrlAltBack In pd/bin/pd.tk around line 87 you have these lines: # color scheme set canvas_fill white set text_color #000 set select_color #00f set dash_outline #f00 set dash_fill #f7f7f7 set box_outline #ccc puts stdout box_outline $box_outline puts stdout current namespace is [namespace current] puts stdout namespace children [namespace children] set graph_outline #777 set atom_box_fill #eee set msg_box_fill #f8f8f6 set obj_box_fill #f6f8f8 set signal_cord_highlight #58a set signal_cord #558 set signal_nlet $signal_cord set msg_cord_highlight #474 set msg_cord #565 set msg_nlet white set mixed_nlet #88aaff You can change the colours, for example by setting box_outline black or #000 instead of #ccc. None of this works in the MSW version for some reason, probably because tcl/tk on MSWindows is not the full package. Variables defined in pd.tk are not recognized when accessed from pd in Windows, although the variables accessed from procs inside pd.tk are. Martin ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [GEM] Initialization arguments
Is it possible to send PD a variable at startup. I.E. I want to create a patch that loads a simple model. The catch is I want to send the model to load at start of pd. for example: pd -modelpath [load $model] | | | [Model] ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] need help for pd + arduino (ubuntu)
Hi, I had the exact same problems about a week ago, and ended up building my own Pd-extended. If you want to use the package, you should install it from a terminal using something like dpkg -i --force-depends Pd-whatever.deb which tells dpkg to ignore the libflac7 and libquicktime0 dependencies. By ignoring these dependencies, you will be breaking a few of the extensions, mainly PiDiP, perhaps others. But you will have a working [comport]. Also, synaptic will complain about a broken database or something when you force the dependencies, so you'll want to edit your /var/lib/dpkg/status file and actually remove libflac7 and libquicktime0 from the list where it says Depends:. For me, libflac7 and libquicktime0 are the only dependencies I couldn't get in the repos, so if you see any other dependency errors when you run the dpkg command, get those packages from synaptic. Hope this helps... ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Fwd: another [declare -lib] strangeness
-- Forwarded message -- From: Mike McGonagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Jan 23, 2008 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [PD] another [declare -lib] strangeness To: IOhannes m zmoelnig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hum, I have noticed something similar when declaring struct objects, too. Is this a related behavior? Mike On Jan 23, 2008 9:58 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi originally i wanted to write the following feature-request: using [declare] to load libraries (e.g. [declare -lib mylib]) works nicely. however, when i have several abstractions all depending on the same library (and thus all have an instance of [declare -lib mylib]), i get an error mylib: already loaded for each abstraction depending on mylib but the first. would it be possible to suppress this warning? (i don't see a reason to keep it) i wrote a wee example to illustrate this behaviour, and while doing so i noticed a real weirdness: when i save a patch holding an abstraction with a [declare -lib mylib], this parent patch will also have the #X declare -lib mylib line (without a direct representation in the patch) what is even weirder is, that it gets an additional line for each abstraction containing a [declare]. e.g. if i have 4 instances of an abstraction in my patch, i will get 4 additional declare-lines. loading this patch, i will get 7 errors that mylib: already loaded (4 warnings from the abstractions; 3 warnings from the patch; only the 1st declare-line in the patch gets evaluated properly) is this by design? or is it a bug? (i cannot see any harm right now, but it is a bit annoying) all this is happening with Pd-0.41-0test11 on linux. fgmasdr. IOhannes ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Peace may sound simple—one beautiful word— but it requires everything we have, every quality, every strength, every dream, every high ideal. —Yehudi Menuhin (1916–1999), musician -- Peace may sound simple—one beautiful word— but it requires everything we have, every quality, every strength, every dream, every high ideal. —Yehudi Menuhin (1916–1999), musician ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Fwd: another [declare -lib] strangeness
-- Forwarded message -- From: Mike McGonagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Jan 23, 2008 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [PD] another [declare -lib] strangeness To: IOhannes m zmoelnig [EMAIL PROTECTED] I can't seem to recreate this with structs. I will have to look back through some of my older stuff, as I would get messages warning of duplicate struct definitions, and to get rid of it, I would delete the first line from the parent of the subpatch containing the struct declaration. Mike On Jan 23, 2008 1:24 PM, Mike McGonagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hum, I have noticed something similar when declaring struct objects, too. Is this a related behavior? Mike On Jan 23, 2008 9:58 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi originally i wanted to write the following feature-request: using [declare] to load libraries (e.g. [declare -lib mylib]) works nicely. however, when i have several abstractions all depending on the same library (and thus all have an instance of [declare -lib mylib]), i get an error mylib: already loaded for each abstraction depending on mylib but the first. would it be possible to suppress this warning? (i don't see a reason to keep it) i wrote a wee example to illustrate this behaviour, and while doing so i noticed a real weirdness: when i save a patch holding an abstraction with a [declare -lib mylib], this parent patch will also have the #X declare -lib mylib line (without a direct representation in the patch) what is even weirder is, that it gets an additional line for each abstraction containing a [declare]. e.g. if i have 4 instances of an abstraction in my patch, i will get 4 additional declare-lines. loading this patch, i will get 7 errors that mylib: already loaded (4 warnings from the abstractions; 3 warnings from the patch; only the 1st declare-line in the patch gets evaluated properly) is this by design? or is it a bug? (i cannot see any harm right now, but it is a bit annoying) all this is happening with Pd-0.41-0test11 on linux. fgmasdr. IOhannes ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Peace may sound simple—one beautiful word— but it requires everything we have, every quality, every strength, every dream, every high ideal. —Yehudi Menuhin (1916–1999), musician -- Peace may sound simple—one beautiful word— but it requires everything we have, every quality, every strength, every dream, every high ideal. —Yehudi Menuhin (1916–1999), musician -- Peace may sound simple—one beautiful word— but it requires everything we have, every quality, every strength, every dream, every high ideal. —Yehudi Menuhin (1916–1999), musician ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [GEM] Initialization arguments
Quoting beau [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Is it possible to send PD a variable at startup. I.E. I want to create a patch that loads a simple model. The catch is I want to send the model to load at start of pd. you can send a message that can be [receive]d e.g. pd -send modelpath /tmp patch.pd and patch.pd containing: [r modelpath] | fmgasd.r# IOhannes This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] colors ( exthread : pd-extended, version )
Ctrl Alt Back wrote: hi, i compiled one pd-extended on gentoo as well, following http://puredata.info/docs/developer/Members/nanodust/pd-extended-gentoo and found # color scheme section, was able to change canvas_fill, text_color .. etc, but there was no set canvas_fill white line. I tried to add that line but did not seem to do anything. There was couple of postings where pd users demanded pd with reversed colors, or at least darker background for using on stage and not getting blinded. I am wandering if enybody found easy way how to configure this? The canvas backgound is outside of that section. It's in a proc called pdtk_canvas_new, near line 900 of pd.tk. I have this at line 932 of the latest pd.tk from cvs: wm geometry $name $geometry canvas $name.c -width $width -height $height -background white \ -yscrollcommand $name.scrollvert set \ -xscrollcommand $name.scrollhort set \ -scrollregion [concat 0 0 $width $height] The line beginning canvas sets the attribute background to white. If you change white to your favourite colour then your canvases will all be that colour. Unfortunately you can't set the colours of lines and boxes that way. Martin ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] need help for pd + arduino (ubuntu)
Tim wrote: Hi, I had the exact same problems about a week ago, and ended up building my own Pd-extended. If you want to use the package, you should install it from a terminal using something like dpkg -i --force-depends Pd-whatever.deb which tells dpkg to ignore the libflac7 and libquicktime0 dependencies. By ignoring these dependencies, you will be breaking a few of the extensions, mainly PiDiP, perhaps others. But you will have a working [comport]. Also, synaptic will complain about a broken database or something when you force the dependencies, so you'll want to edit your /var/lib/dpkg/status file and actually remove libflac7 and libquicktime0 from the list where it says Depends:. For me, libflac7 and libquicktime0 are the only dependencies I couldn't get in the repos, so if you see any other dependency errors when you run the dpkg command, get those packages from synaptic. Hope this helps... I think I got those (flac7 and quicktime0) from debian and everything worked OK, at least pdip loads, but I never stress tested it. Martin ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Basic question about Mac Os X
Any regular Mac user will look in the Pd-Prefernces for the preferences, so you'll have people complaining about that. I knew it always drove me nuts, first I'd go to the normal prefs location, then remember, oh yeah, it's in the media menu. You can't please all the people all the time... .hc On Jan 23, 2008, at 11:35 AM, Miller Puckette wrote: Hmm, are people having trouble finding the audio and midi settings hidden away in prefernces on Apples? Maybe I should move it back where it belongs under media, or else include it both places. (I doubt that's Marco's problem, but I always have trouble finding it myself :) M On Wed, Jan 23, 2008 at 05:26:10PM +0100, Jack wrote: I think it's in : ApplicationsUtilitiesAudio and Midi config ++ Jack Le 23 janv. 08 ? 16:21, marco trevisani a ?crit : After 13 years working with Linux i have now to deal with a Mac (for instance an iMac running 10.4.11 and pd 0.39-extended) and all seems new the basic question then... while i wait for a USB card (btw any recommendation is very welcome) i was trying making some test with PD patches but when i connect and use the line-in built-in in the machine i have troubles getting any recognizable sound to the dac~. It looks like the problem is with the adc~ since osc~ to dac~ produce the sound i would expect to hear. I put to zero the built in microphone (is there any way to mute it completely??), and played with line in levels but nothing acceptable is coming out. Just to clarify, the problem seems related directly with PD, because other applications that use line in they reproduce the sound at a decent quality. Any hint would be greatly appreciated...Sorry for downgrading the level of the discussion on this list... :-) Thank you, ciao, marco trevisani ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of everyone, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it.- Thomas Jefferson ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Interesting behaviour in Vanilla PD using 'expr'
Wow, that's a weird one. Sounds like it's definitely worth filing a bug report if you can make an example patch. .hc On Jan 17, 2008, at 2:37 PM, Mike McGonagle wrote: Hello all, Last night I was trying to learn a bit about the 'expr' external, and I found something that would probably be considered a bug. I opened up the help file for 'expr', and then opened up the Lorenz example. I started the audio generation, and banged on the example. It started to play, and play, and play... I didn't stop the example, but I did close the window for the example, and it continued to play, and play, and play... I then tried the same thing in Extended (one of the more recent nightly builds), and it doesn't do the same thing. It shuts the audio down. Mike ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of everyone, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it.- Thomas Jefferson ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Interesting behaviour in Vanilla PD using 'expr'
On Jan 23, 2008 3:27 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, that's a weird one. Sounds like it's definitely worth filing a bug report if you can make an example patch. I'm not sure if there needs to be an example patch, as this was done by opening the 'help' file, and playing with the Lorenz subpatch. I actually described this in a vague way, I should have said that I closed the whole help patch, in other words, the objects should have all been destroyed, and the audio stopped. I will go ahead and file a bug report. Mike .hc On Jan 17, 2008, at 2:37 PM, Mike McGonagle wrote: Hello all, Last night I was trying to learn a bit about the 'expr' external, and I found something that would probably be considered a bug. I opened up the help file for 'expr', and then opened up the Lorenz example. I started the audio generation, and banged on the example. It started to play, and play, and play... I didn't stop the example, but I did close the window for the example, and it continued to play, and play, and play... I then tried the same thing in Extended (one of the more recent nightly builds), and it doesn't do the same thing. It shuts the audio down. Mike ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of everyone, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it.- Thomas Jefferson -- Peace may sound simple—one beautiful word— but it requires everything we have, every quality, every strength, every dream, every high ideal. —Yehudi Menuhin (1916–1999), musician ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] convert reson filter bandwidth to decay time
Hi Charles, thanks, this is exactly the solution I was looking for. Thanks a lot for the detailed math explanation too. ciao Libero On Jan 22, 2008 9:12 PM, Charles Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It depends upon the order of the filter... by resonant filter, I assume you mean a two-pole bandpass filter. Here's the math for converting between bandwidth and exponential decay Take a function, g(t)=1000^-(t/r) where r is the -60 dB ring time. I used a base of 1000, because a factor of 1000 = 60 dB g(t)=e^-(t*ln(1000)/r) Now we take a one-sided fourier transform of this function: G(f)=integral(0, inf; e^(-2*pi*i*f*t)*e^-|t*ln(1000)/r|) G(f)=integral(0, inf; e^((-2*pi*i*f-ln(1000)/r)*t) G(f)=1/(-2*pi*i*f-ln(1000)/r) * e^((-2*pi*i*f-ln(1000)/r)*t), eval at t=0, t=inf G(f)= - 1/(-2*pi*i*f-ln(1000)/r) G(f)=1/(2*pi*i*f+ln(1000)/r) G(f)=r/ln(1000) / [2*pi*i*f*r/ln(1000) + 1] now, it's just a simple matter of finding the -3 dB points to find bandwidth of this function and interpreting the result of this function... |G(f)|^2=(r/ln(1000))^2 / [1 + (2*pi*f*r/ln(1000))^2] 0.5 = 1 / [1 + (2*pi*f*r/ln(1000))^2] (2*pi*f*r/ln(1000))^2 = 1 f = +/- ln(1000)/(2*pi*r) bandwidth bw= 2 * ln(1000)/(2*pi*r) conversions: bw = ln(1000) / (pi*r) r = ln(1000) / (pi*bw) r is in seconds and bw is in Hz Try out these relations and see if they work. Chuck On Jan 22, 2008 12:11 PM, Libero Mureddu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I have a simple patch with a [click~] object connected to a [reson~] filter. I'd like to know how it is possible to convert the bandwith parameter of the filter to decay lenght (in milliseconds). In SuperCollider there is a particular version of the resonz filter called ringz, here is the description: Ringz.ar(in, freq, decaytime, mul, add) This is the same as Resonz, except that instead of a resonance parameter, the bandwidth is specified in a 60dB ring decay time. My knowledge of filters is too little to be able to convert the between the two parameters by myself, any help appreciated! thanks, libero ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Libero Mureddu Vanha Viertotie, 21 as 417 00350 Helsinki Finland http://webusers.siba.fi/~limuredd/ http://www.myspace.com/liberomureddu ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Interesting behaviour in Vanilla PD using 'expr'
Hum, just tried this again on another machine, and it doesn't do the same thing as on my laptop. I have an old titanium laptop, running Mac OS X 10.4.11. I will have to try this again to confirm that this really is a problem. The other machine that I tested this will is a Dual 1.8 PowerPC G5, running 10.4.11, with Vanilla PD 0.41-0test11 and Vanilla PD 0.40-2. On this machine, it doesn't exhibit the same behaviour. If I can get this to do this again, I will try extracting the Lorenz subpatch from the 'help' file, and make a new top level patch of it, and submit that with the bug report (if it still does this). Mike On Jan 23, 2008 3:32 PM, Mike McGonagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 23, 2008 3:27 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, that's a weird one. Sounds like it's definitely worth filing a bug report if you can make an example patch. I'm not sure if there needs to be an example patch, as this was done by opening the 'help' file, and playing with the Lorenz subpatch. I actually described this in a vague way, I should have said that I closed the whole help patch, in other words, the objects should have all been destroyed, and the audio stopped. I will go ahead and file a bug report. Mike .hc On Jan 17, 2008, at 2:37 PM, Mike McGonagle wrote: Hello all, Last night I was trying to learn a bit about the 'expr' external, and I found something that would probably be considered a bug. I opened up the help file for 'expr', and then opened up the Lorenz example. I started the audio generation, and banged on the example. It started to play, and play, and play... I didn't stop the example, but I did close the window for the example, and it continued to play, and play, and play... I then tried the same thing in Extended (one of the more recent nightly builds), and it doesn't do the same thing. It shuts the audio down. Mike ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of everyone, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it.- Thomas Jefferson -- Peace may sound simple—one beautiful word— but it requires everything we have, every quality, every strength, every dream, every high ideal. —Yehudi Menuhin (1916–1999), musician -- Peace may sound simple—one beautiful word— but it requires everything we have, every quality, every strength, every dream, every high ideal. —Yehudi Menuhin (1916–1999), musician ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] pdradio
I sent this original email with the wrong address so its likely sitting in the moderators queue... Sorry for reposting if that happens. First of all: hello I'm Martin, a lurker of this list happily doing my own thing in Guelph Ontario and keeping an eye on the pd scene. Second: Has pdradio.iem.at been disbanded? I recently read about it and I'm interested in hearing what it has to offer but I haven't been able to access it for the past few days Cheers, -martin ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Basic question about Mac Os X
Yeah. Both places, then. I use that menu item more often than any other (not including accelerators) so I don't think it would be too much of a bloater. cheers M On Wed, Jan 23, 2008 at 04:16:14PM -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Any regular Mac user will look in the Pd-Prefernces for the preferences, so you'll have people complaining about that. I knew it always drove me nuts, first I'd go to the normal prefs location, then remember, oh yeah, it's in the media menu. You can't please all the people all the time... .hc On Jan 23, 2008, at 11:35 AM, Miller Puckette wrote: Hmm, are people having trouble finding the audio and midi settings hidden away in prefernces on Apples? Maybe I should move it back where it belongs under media, or else include it both places. (I doubt that's Marco's problem, but I always have trouble finding it myself :) M On Wed, Jan 23, 2008 at 05:26:10PM +0100, Jack wrote: I think it's in : ApplicationsUtilitiesAudio and Midi config ++ Jack Le 23 janv. 08 ? 16:21, marco trevisani a ?crit : After 13 years working with Linux i have now to deal with a Mac (for instance an iMac running 10.4.11 and pd 0.39-extended) and all seems new the basic question then... while i wait for a USB card (btw any recommendation is very welcome) i was trying making some test with PD patches but when i connect and use the line-in built-in in the machine i have troubles getting any recognizable sound to the dac~. It looks like the problem is with the adc~ since osc~ to dac~ produce the sound i would expect to hear. I put to zero the built in microphone (is there any way to mute it completely??), and played with line in levels but nothing acceptable is coming out. Just to clarify, the problem seems related directly with PD, because other applications that use line in they reproduce the sound at a decent quality. Any hint would be greatly appreciated...Sorry for downgrading the level of the discussion on this list... :-) Thank you, ciao, marco trevisani ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of everyone, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it.- Thomas Jefferson ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [PD-announce] Formation PureData au CRAS à Mains d'Oeuvres (Saint-Ouen)
Initiation à Pure Data, niveau 2. Dimanche 27 janvier 2008 de 11h à 18h. Salle Star Trek (deuxième étage). La formation permet de progresser dans la compréhension et l'utilisation du logiciel. Les exemples utilisés pour l'apprentissage permettent de gérer textes, sons, videos, objets 3D. L'apprentissage se fait au pas-à-pas, en suivant une progression lente de manière à bien intégrer les bases. Formation pour 30 participants. Pré-requis: il est nécessaire d'amener votre ordinateur. Cette journée est destinée aux débutants qui ont suivi la journée du 20 janvier 2008, ou à ceux qui ont commencé un auto-apprentissage de PD. Formateur : Jean-Marie Boyer Réservations obligatoires à : formations (à) craslab.org Tarif plein 20 € / Tarif réduit 15 €, sur présentation de justificatifs (chômeurs, étudiants, adhérents Art Sensitif, Audoniens). ___ PD-announce mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] another [declare -lib] strangeness
On Wed, 2008-01-23 at 10:54 -0800, Miller Puckette wrote: No, I never tried, thinking, as I do, that it couldn't possibly work :) Anyway, I can't imagine changing it so close to a release, since anything that could be considered correct would take months of testing to get working correctly, so, like it or not, I think I have to try to figure out what it does and make sre it keeps doing that. good news! if i can help you in anyway (e.g. documenting as accurately as possible how [declare] behaves), i'd be glad to do so. i am very much convinced, that [declare] is a useful class and worth a lot of effort to make it work. roman ___ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] another [declare -lib] strangeness
good news! if i can help you in anyway (e.g. documenting as accurately as possible how [declare] behaves), i'd be glad to do so. i am very much convinced, that [declare] is a useful class and worth a lot of effort to make it work. roman Yeah, I find it very useful too. (even though I've never tried it in an abstraction :) M ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Formation PureData au CRAS à Mains d'Oeuvres (Saint-Ouen)
Pour info également : Mains d'oeuvres 1, rue Charles Garnier 93 400 Saint-Ouen Par le métro : ligne 4, terminus Porte de Clignancourt ligne 13, Garibaldi Par le bus : Bus 85, arrêt Paul Bert, jusqu’à 00h (Mairie de St-Ouen Luxembourg) Noctilien 14 à partir de 00h (Mairie de St-Ouen Bourg-la-Reine A pied : 12 minutes depuis le métro Porte de Clignancourt 10 minutes depuis le métro Garibaldi En voiture : Pte de Clignancourt Rue des Rosiers Rue Charles Garnier ++ Jack Le 24 janv. 08 à 01:29, Jack a écrit : Initiation à Pure Data, niveau 2. Dimanche 27 janvier 2008 de 11h à 18h. Salle Star Trek (deuxième étage). La formation permet de progresser dans la compréhension et l'utilisation du logiciel. Les exemples utilisés pour l'apprentissage permettent de gérer textes, sons, videos, objets 3D. L'apprentissage se fait au pas-à-pas, en suivant une progression lente de manière à bien intégrer les bases. Formation pour 30 participants. Pré-requis: il est nécessaire d'amener votre ordinateur. Cette journée est destinée aux débutants qui ont suivi la journée du 20 janvier 2008, ou à ceux qui ont commencé un auto-apprentissage de PD. Formateur : Jean-Marie Boyer Réservations obligatoires à : formations (à) craslab.org Tarif plein 20 € / Tarif réduit 15 €, sur présentation de justificatifs (chômeurs, étudiants, adhérents Art Sensitif, Audoniens). ___ PD-announce mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Notch filter
On Wed, Jan 23, 2008 at 07:10:44AM -0800, yvan volochine wrote: Thanx for your prompt answer Claude. I've read this on Puckette's book and other stuffs on the web, but my problem is how to implement those equations in pd's world ? Sorry if this sounds stupid... I would also love to see a working example of a filter built from [cpole~] and friends. Anybody got links to something like that? Best, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.41-0 released
Pd 0.41-0 is available on CVS and on http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html cheers M ___ PD-announce mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] ttf-vera
On Jan 23, 2008, at 12:55 PM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: That font is one of the default GNOME fonts and part of the GNOME suite, why would they remove it? Do you have a link/reference about that? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=461282 This font is going to be removed from the archive in favour for ttf- dejavu. So the dependency can just be switched to DejaVu, it's the same font, same license, with just more language support. It seems there should be a global font path in Pd, so that this stuff can be set in one place and shared. Gem is searching all the pd-paths. e.g. ./extra would be a good place where it would find a default font... Works for me. .hc Mistrust authority - promote decentralization. - the hacker ethic ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] another [declare -lib] strangeness
I think very few people are using [declare]. I think Pd would be much better off with a well functioning [declare] than just freezing the current functionality. .hc On Jan 23, 2008, at 1:54 PM, Miller Puckette wrote: No, I never tried, thinking, as I do, that it couldn't possibly work :) Anyway, I can't imagine changing it so close to a release, since anything that could be considered correct would take months of testing to get working correctly, so, like it or not, I think I have to try to figure out what it does and make sre it keeps doing that. cheers Miller On Wed, Jan 23, 2008 at 05:48:50PM +0100, Roman Haefeli wrote: On Wed, 2008-01-23 at 08:25 -0800, Miller Puckette wrote: Hmm. It never occured to me that people would want to put declare objects inside abstractions (I think it's unwise to do so because there's no way to contain the declare object's effects to within the abstraction.) That it's adding stuff to the parent patch is a serious bug; there's no reason to believe that putting declare in abstractions is doing a useful thing at all at present! please don't feel offended, but did you seriously test [declare] within abstractions? i did test [declare -stdpath] in pd-0.40.3 (see my mail in pd-dev [1]) and it works as at least i would expect it: it adds the path to the abstractions search pathes only, but not to the parent patch. if this is _not_ the expected behaviour, then lets define some [declare] test environment for all different flags in order to avoid declare confusions in the future. [1] http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-dev/2008-01/010643.html roman ___ Der fr?he Vogel f?ngt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list http://at.or.at/hans/ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd 0.39.3-extended on Intel Mac OSX 10.5.1
Try one of the nightly builds, they work on Leopard: http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2007-12-31/Pd-0.40.3- extended-20071231-macosx104-i386.dmg .hc On Jan 18, 2008, at 12:38 PM, nils wrote: Hello, I cannot get Pd 0.39.3-extended to work on my Intel Mac running OSX 10.5.1. It starts up and everything appears to load, but as soon as I try to click on any menu, File/Help/ It crashes. I've been able to run the nightly CVS builds, specifically 122807 and 011108. Unfortunately they seem to be having some problems with some of the pdmtl patches specifically xsample - xgroove~ even when I explicitly tell it the namespace [xsample/xgroove~] Any help would be great. -- Nils Sundstrom ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list Access to computers should be unlimited and total. - the hacker ethic ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] status of Jack OSX bug
It would be nice to have Pd/Jack working well on Mac, but no one is really working on it at the moment. Want to try your hand at it? Patches welcome! :D Good, detailed bug reports are always helpful, especially with example patches that illustrate the bug. .hc On Jan 15, 2008, at 11:08 AM, Simon Mills wrote: Hello Dev-Team Just wondering- what's the status of the bug concerning the latest Jack OSX beta for Multiprocessor MacIntel running 10.5.1 and latest build of Pd-extended (I tried todays and the problem still persists). I logged the bug in the tracker just before xmas? I appreciate that it might not be top priority on everyones list! thanks very much // S ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list 'You people have such restrictive dress for women,’ she said, hobbling away in three inch heels and panty hose to finish out another pink-collar temp pool day. - “Hijab Scene #2, by Mohja Kahf ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
