Re: [PD] Call for GSoC mentors! March 9th deadline!
Since I'm completely uninterested in touching anything C, C++, TclTk or otherwise related, I submitted two Pd patching projects which should be general enough to attract students, yet quite intensive to work on. Feedback welcome. http://puredata.info/dev/summer-of-code/Undead http://puredata.info/dev/summer-of-code/GEMVeeJay Anyone want to take up 2007's PluggoPd idea? best, D. -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista ---Oblique Strategy # 194: Steal a solution. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Call for GSoC mentors! March 9th deadline!
Hallo Derek ! Nice projects - I also think that we need more patcher-only projects ! LG Georg Derek Holzer schrieb: Since I'm completely uninterested in touching anything C, C++, TclTk or otherwise related, I submitted two Pd patching projects which should be general enough to attract students, yet quite intensive to work on. Feedback welcome. http://puredata.info/dev/summer-of-code/Undead http://puredata.info/dev/summer-of-code/GEMVeeJay Anyone want to take up 2007's PluggoPd idea? best, D. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Call for GSoC mentors! March 9th deadline!
The same with me. interested in coding but just very rare skills.but patching. maybe the graphical userinterface which i started for gem could be interesting.As i am in the job now, i cannot send screenshots nor patches. if there is interest I put some things together tjis weekend. markus Hallo Derek ! Nice projects - I also think that we need more patcher-only projects ! LG Georg Derek Holzer schrieb: Since I'm completely uninterested in touching anything C, C++, TclTk or otherwise related, I submitted two Pd patching projects which should be general enough to attract students, yet quite intensive to work on. Feedback welcome. http://puredata.info/dev/summer-of-code/Undead http://puredata.info/dev/summer-of-code/GEMVeeJay Anyone want to take up 2007's PluggoPd idea? best, D. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] list issue
here is my humble interpretation of mathieus idea. randombeatz.pd Description: Binary data list-shuffle.pd Description: Binary data Am 05.03.2009 um 12:21 schrieb YOhannes: thanks guys, i made a simple patch based on mathieus idea. (see attachment) i like to apply more control on listlength, without specifying it, like i would have to with [list-equalize]. now, depending on the devisor of 2, with my master-sequence of lets say 2000 (ms) i get lists with very small and very big values. for example: 15.625 1.95312 3.90625 1.95312 500 250 1000 31.25 62.5 7.8125 125 any ideas how to get smoother/smaller differences between the list- items? thanks. j #N canvas 437 216 195 346 10; #X obj -72 146 urn; #X obj -72 96 iter; #X obj -72 24 inlet; #X obj -72 173 pack 0 0; #X obj -72 293 outlet; #X msg 12 100 clear; #X obj -72 120 t b a; #X obj -72 61 t l l b; #X obj -72 259 zl group; #X obj 10 126 list length; #X obj -72 238 pipe; #X obj -72 216 unpack 0 0; #X obj -72 194 zl rev; #X connect 0 0 3 0; #X connect 1 0 6 0; #X connect 2 0 7 0; #X connect 3 0 12 0; #X connect 5 0 0 0; #X connect 6 0 0 0; #X connect 6 1 3 1; #X connect 7 0 1 0; #X connect 7 1 9 0; #X connect 7 2 5 0; #X connect 8 0 4 0; #X connect 9 0 0 1; #X connect 9 0 8 1; #X connect 10 0 8 0; #X connect 11 0 10 0; #X connect 11 1 10 1; #X connect 12 0 11 0; #N canvas 91 22 294 416 10; #X obj 35 0 loadbang; #X obj 111 27 bng 15 250 50 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -262144 -1 -1; #X obj 111 53 random 2; #X obj 179 243 t f f; #X obj 111 192 f; #X obj 111 279 list-extend; #X obj 77 307 list; #X text -31 137 master(ms); #X obj 77 337 shakeitt; #X obj 77 359 print that; #X obj -22 1 inlet; #X obj 111 1 inlet; #X obj 153 337 list-accum; #X floatatom 153 360 5 0 0 0 - - -; #X obj 111 74 route 0 1; #X obj 179 192 f; #X msg 35 139 2000; #X obj 111 96 t b b b; #X obj 179 214 / 2; #X msg -22 27 set \$1; #X text 14 359 slave(ms); #X connect 0 0 16 0; #X connect 1 0 2 0; #X connect 2 0 14 0; #X connect 3 0 5 0; #X connect 3 1 4 1; #X connect 3 1 15 1; #X connect 4 0 5 0; #X connect 5 0 6 1; #X connect 6 0 8 0; #X connect 6 0 12 0; #X connect 8 0 9 0; #X connect 10 0 19 0; #X connect 11 0 1 0; #X connect 12 0 13 0; #X connect 14 0 17 0; #X connect 14 1 15 0; #X connect 15 0 18 0; #X connect 16 0 15 1; #X connect 16 0 4 1; #X connect 17 0 16 0; #X connect 17 0 6 0; #X connect 17 1 5 1; #X connect 17 2 4 0; #X connect 18 0 3 0; #X connect 19 0 16 0; ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list PGP.sig Description: Signierter Teil der Nachricht ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Call for GSoC mentors! March 9th deadline!
Hallo Markus ! The same with me. interested in coding but just very rare skills.but patching. maybe the graphical userinterface which i started for gem could be interesting.As i am in the job now, i cannot send screenshots nor patches. if there is interest I put some things together tjis weekend. Yes of course - just put it on the wiki ! LG Georg ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Installing PD...
Hi Simon Last time I saw this message, I think I solved it by installing X11 (from your install disk, or download it). Hope this helps. cheers dafydd On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 6:23 AM, Simon Ball sballm...@googlemail.com wrote: Hello I'm having trouble getting started with PD-extended. It seems to be having trouble accessing the library, with red dots appearing around objects. I've tried re installing and am on an Intel MacBook Pro, OSX 10.4.11. Any ideas how to solve this? Thanks Simon ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- www.sideshowmedia.ca skype: chickeninthegrass ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Call for GSoC mentors! March 9th deadline!
Hi all, i added my name to two existing projects matching my competences. Just in case Georg is too busy with all the other ones he is part of. gr~~~ Am 03.03.2009 um 21:23 schrieb Georg Holzmann: Hallo again ! I added now quite some projects from last year to the WIKI page: http://puredata.info/dev/summer-of-code/GoogleSummerOfCodeIdeas2009 Please look through them and correct my bad english and/or add additional resources and ideas ! @Hans: I added you to some projects as mentor, I hope you don't mind ;) @IOhannes: same for you ;) - but you can of course join more projects (now I added you only to the gem multiwindow project, because here you are the only possible author) To all other mentors: please add you to the wiki and also add projects ! Thanks, LG Georg Georg Holzmann schrieb: Hallo! I started to put ideas together at the following WIKI page: http://puredata.info/dev/summer-of-code/GoogleSummerOfCodeIdeas2009 If you are interested joining one project as a mentor, please just add your name in the list of possible mentors ... Please also add your projects using the following template: http://puredata.info/dev/summer-of-code/ProjectTemplate (and look at the description of my already added projects) It should be as clear as possible for students how to start, where are the resources and etc. There are also still a lot of old projects from last year here: http://puredata.info/dev/summer-of-code/GoogleSummerOfCodeIdeas which should be copied (and polished) to the new WIKI page - so some help is really needed ! Thanks for any contribution, LG Georg Hans-Christoph Steiner schrieb: Hey all, The Google Summer of Code ((http://code.google.com/soc/) application is due very soon, March 9th, and we need mentors! At this point, you just need to put down your name. Then once the projects are in, we'll choose projects and who will mentor them. You will then work with a student, either locally or remotely. Every pd developer who wants to support the project but is not student anymore is invited to join as mentor, since the number of sponsored projects by google depends on the number of mentors and students. If you are a student, then you should apply as a student to get funded. Mentors get $500 and students get $4500 for working on something Pd related. .hc It is convenient to imagine a power beyond us because that means we don't have to examine our own lives., from The Idols of Environmentalism, by Curtis White ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Call for GSoC mentors! March 9th deadline!
I added my name to the VeeJay project to advise on how the low level stuff affects performance and stability. I don't know if a project can have more than one mentor though. On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 6:31 AM, Derek Holzer de...@umatic.nl wrote: Since I'm completely uninterested in touching anything C, C++, TclTk or otherwise related, I submitted two Pd patching projects which should be general enough to attract students, yet quite intensive to work on. Feedback welcome. http://puredata.info/dev/summer-of-code/Undead http://puredata.info/dev/summer-of-code/GEMVeeJay Anyone want to take up 2007's PluggoPd idea? best, D. -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista ---Oblique Strategy # 194: Steal a solution. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Call for GSoC mentors! March 9th deadline!
That's great, let's see what happens ;-) d. chris clepper wrote: I added my name to the VeeJay project to advise on how the low level stuff affects performance and stability. I don't know if a project can have more than one mentor though. On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 6:31 AM, Derek Holzer de...@umatic.nl mailto:de...@umatic.nl wrote: Since I'm completely uninterested in touching anything C, C++, TclTk or otherwise related, I submitted two Pd patching projects which should be general enough to attract students, yet quite intensive to work on. Feedback welcome. http://puredata.info/dev/summer-of-code/Undead http://puredata.info/dev/summer-of-code/GEMVeeJay Anyone want to take up 2007's PluggoPd idea? best, D. -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista ---Oblique Strategy # 194: Steal a solution. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista ---Oblique Strategy # 83: How would someone else do it? ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Call for GSoC mentors! March 9th deadline!
My own suggestion for a GEM project would be to create a tutorial and accompanying manual that covers the basic operation. The other idea involves making the more advanced features like GLSL and framebuffer rendering easier to use. These are mainly documentation projects, but also have some Pd, and possible C++ coding as well. On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Derek Holzer de...@umatic.nl wrote: That's great, let's see what happens ;-) d. chris clepper wrote: I added my name to the VeeJay project to advise on how the low level stuff affects performance and stability. I don't know if a project can have more than one mentor though. On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 6:31 AM, Derek Holzer de...@umatic.nl mailto: de...@umatic.nl wrote: Since I'm completely uninterested in touching anything C, C++, TclTk or otherwise related, I submitted two Pd patching projects which should be general enough to attract students, yet quite intensive to work on. Feedback welcome. http://puredata.info/dev/summer-of-code/Undead http://puredata.info/dev/summer-of-code/GEMVeeJay Anyone want to take up 2007's PluggoPd idea? best, D. -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista ---Oblique Strategy # 194: Steal a solution. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista ---Oblique Strategy # 83: How would someone else do it? ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Call for GSoC mentors! March 9th deadline!
I already asked, and GSoC doesn't cover documentation, or else I would have pitched the Pd FLOSS Manual in there as well. But go for it with the GLSL/framebuffer coding stuff! d. chris clepper wrote: My own suggestion for a GEM project would be to create a tutorial and accompanying manual that covers the basic operation. The other idea involves making the more advanced features like GLSL and framebuffer rendering easier to use. These are mainly documentation projects, but also have some Pd, and possible C++ coding as well. On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Derek Holzer de...@umatic.nl mailto:de...@umatic.nl wrote: That's great, let's see what happens ;-) d. chris clepper wrote: I added my name to the VeeJay project to advise on how the low level stuff affects performance and stability. I don't know if a project can have more than one mentor though. On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 6:31 AM, Derek Holzer de...@umatic.nl mailto:de...@umatic.nl mailto:de...@umatic.nl mailto:de...@umatic.nl wrote: Since I'm completely uninterested in touching anything C, C++, TclTk or otherwise related, I submitted two Pd patching projects which should be general enough to attract students, yet quite intensive to work on. Feedback welcome. http://puredata.info/dev/summer-of-code/Undead http://puredata.info/dev/summer-of-code/GEMVeeJay Anyone want to take up 2007's PluggoPd idea? best, D. -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista ---Oblique Strategy # 194: Steal a solution. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista ---Oblique Strategy # 83: How would someone else do it? -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista ---Oblique Strategy # 64: Don't stress one thing more than another ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Call for GSoC mentors! March 9th deadline!
On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Derek Holzer de...@umatic.nl wrote: I already asked, and GSoC doesn't cover documentation, or else I would have pitched the Pd FLOSS Manual in there as well. But go for it with the GLSL/framebuffer coding stuff! That is really a shame since most open source projects need way more documentation done than coding. Maybe they will have a Winter of Docs? chris clepper wrote: My own suggestion for a GEM project would be to create a tutorial and accompanying manual that covers the basic operation. The other idea involves making the more advanced features like GLSL and framebuffer rendering easier to use. These are mainly documentation projects, but also have some Pd, and possible C++ coding as well. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Call for GSoC mentors! March 9th deadline!
Agreed in full, my wish too d. chris clepper wrote: On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Derek Holzer de...@umatic.nl mailto:de...@umatic.nl wrote: I already asked, and GSoC doesn't cover documentation, or else I would have pitched the Pd FLOSS Manual in there as well. But go for it with the GLSL/framebuffer coding stuff! That is really a shame since most open source projects need way more documentation done than coding. Maybe they will have a Winter of Docs? chris clepper wrote: My own suggestion for a GEM project would be to create a tutorial and accompanying manual that covers the basic operation. The other idea involves making the more advanced features like GLSL and framebuffer rendering easier to use. These are mainly documentation projects, but also have some Pd, and possible C++ coding as well. -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista ---Oblique Strategy # 88: Imagine the music as a set of disconnected events ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd/GEM and camera for tracking
hey all, Jaime Oliver schrieb: mmh, I don't really know about lengths. I think there is a limit to how long your firewire cable should be. I usually work with analog cameras in linux where cables can be long ad I capture with a pci card. I think a cheap option that I've seen working well with macs is the unibrain fire-i: http://www.unibrain.com/Products/VisionImg/Fire_i_DC.htm you can buy lenses and chain them, not more than 30fps though, J lengths between firewire 400 devices is usually 4.5m, but you can daisy chain them up to 16 times giving you 72 metres. it's not very recommendable to make long chains, as every plug may be a weak point in your chain. firewire 800 can have longer cables, but i don't know... Jack schrieb: Thanx for the reply. The models are too big for me. I need a smaller camera (something like a cube) because the installation must be discreet. Have you something else to suggest ? Chris : what do you think about Sony driver ? I can't use a PCI card because i will work with a macmini. ++ as manufacturer of small firewire cameras there's also point grey. I don't know exactly about cost, and didn't try them on my own but they often were recommended by people doing tracking, also being said they were affordable, especially the firefly mv which delivers 60...@640x480 and even higher frame rates at lower resolutions. that's what they say about macintosh (seems to work): http://www.ptgrey.com/support/kb/index.asp?a=4q=173 i also made tests with usb webcams (only on linux and windows), some with usable results but most of them are crap. to be usable they should support real usb2.0 for high frame rates at full sensor resolution (usually 640x480), without compression and have ccd sensors for better quality and light sensitivity. (finding out usb version and other technical stuff can be real pain from manufacruerer sites, usually you'll have to try them). image quality was always worse than cheap video cameras - but as an advantage they were not interlaced like usual consumer video cameras. cable lengths can be extended by usb hubs or repeater cables several times, but that's also the many-connectors - many errors thing @Jack: what exactly will your tracking method be based on? natural features? colors? markers? with some luck a cheap usb webcam could be good enough and also really small. (yeah, i'm a fan of using cheap consumer producs and having trouble with them - be warned) cheers, Martin ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] list issue
--- Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca schrieb am Fr, 6.3.2009: Unless you happen to be listening to Carter, Cowell, Ferneyhough, Johnston, Nancarrow, or anyone who has ever happened to use a quintuplet (Chopin, Elvin Jones, maybe Al Pacino in Heat) I didn't say that quintuplets don't happen! I'd be glad to get references to specific pieces that contain a lot of quintuplets. Of the five composers you named, I only heard Nancarrow, I only heard of Nancarrow, and then, I don't recall any quintuplets in it, but I didn't see the score and perhaps I couldn't grasp the rhythm of it just by ear (?). 'the arabian dance' from the nut cracker ballet by tchaikovsky happens to have quintuplets. you can hear the piece here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rx8cCLumV10 listen to the lead melody. sometimes it plays some kind of a slow trill (quickly changing between two close notes), which happen to be quintuplets. i admit, that they sound like a duplet followed by a triplet, but i have the scores of the piece and they are written as quintuplets on 32nd's. roman It reminds me, I once applied in music composition at UQÀM, but when they sent me a letter telling me they wanted to test my piano skills with sheet music, I didn't reply, because I don't have any piano skills and can't read sheet music in realtime. The only instrument I was really ever proficient with was ScreamTracker, and boy did I abuse that thing. I made pieces in 21/8 time and whatnot. I found that notation much easier to deal with than classical notation... except for making quintuplets, that is. _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801, Montréal, Québec -Integrierter Anhang folgt- ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Installing PD...
You need to install X11 off your OSX Install Disc Simon Ball sballm...@googlemail.com wrote: Hello I'm having trouble getting started with PD-extended. It seems to be having trouble accessing the library, with red dots appearing around objects. I've tried re installing and am on an Intel MacBook Pro, OSX 10.4.11. Any ideas how to solve this? Thanks Simon -- Patrick Pagano Sound and Light Technologist School of Theatre and Dance University of Florida ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] list issue
Unless you happen to be listening to Carter, Cowell, Ferneyhough, Johnston, Nancarrow, or anyone who has ever happened to use a quintuplet (Chopin, Elvin Jones, maybe Al Pacino in Heat) -Jonathan Or Beethoven, Schubert, Brahms, Tchaikovsky Wagner, Mahler, Strauss, Bartok, Schoenberg, Berg, Stravinsky, Prokofiev, Ravel, Debussy, etc., not to mention the more temporally advanced folks you mentioned. Plenty of jazz, and decent metal splits beats into fives, and you can't play in a drum corps without perfect subdivision chops... sometimes quintuplets are called 20th notes. But if you want pieces that make heavy use of quintuplets, you would want to check out Carter (start with the string quartets, for instance). Tuplets are often used to allow several people to play music in different tempi while each attending to a master pulse. I just played a recorder motet where the the low voice was in 3/2, the middle voice in 2/2, and the upper voice in the equivalent of 5/10 time. Or, in Carter, often the old quintuplet becomes the new 16th note and the music proceeds at a faster tempo. There are plenty of composers who do the same simply using time signatures. I've conducted pieces which go fluidly from one meter to the next -- 3/4 5/6 2/4 3/8 31/32 5/4 19/10 etc. It's not that hard once you get the hang of it, but it is hard to get the hang of. I believe that most competent musicians should be able to handle rhythmic notation at least up to subdivisions of 6. Not that they can usually; but I believe it should be the case -- one can practice rhythm anywhere. In addition you can check out Stockhausen, Babbitt, Boulez, Wuorinen, or most anyone who structures rhythm parametrically. (pun) Or, for an extremely rich but different orientation, check out Carnatic (South Indian) classical music -- look up Korvai for instance. Matt ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [PD-announce] New netlabel GOSUB10 announces the Substrate release!
Sorry for autotune, please Spawn Pfunc -- NEW MUSIC COMPILATION, NEW NETLABEL Various Artists - Substrate (GOSUB10-001) -- The new netlabel GOSUB10 today launches Substrate, its inaugural release. A 12-track compilation of music from across the electronic music genre, it features friends and family of the GOTO10 collective, illustrating the strong networks by which the label will grow and providing insight into future directions. /Substrate/ features tracks by: Earweego, krgn, vacca, 0xA, Bazterrak, Frank Barknecht, Yee-King, Soudo, Julian Brook, Martin Howse, Rob Canning and Ultrageranium. Dedicated to innovative music and audio/visuals, the GOSUB10 label will feature an eclectic group of musicians drawn together by their shared use of Free/Libre/Open Source Software (FLOSS). Freely distributed by stream, download and special DVD releases, and made available through an open license, GOSUB10 is run by the GOTO10 collective, an international group of artists, musicians and programmers, dedicated to FLOSS and digital arts. Brought to life in a intensive three day work sprint, the GOSUB10 netlabel is a natural extension of GOTO10's activities supporting and promoting digital art alongside FLOSS tools through workshops, festivals, exhibitions, writing, and more. http://gosub10.org http://goto10.org -- We would like to thank the Institute of Network Cultures (http://networkcultures.org) for hosting us during this sprint and we also want to thank the GISS team (http://giss.tv) who is providing the streaming infrastucture of the GOSUB10 radio. -- :* PS: If you like it, send stroopwafels!!! ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd/GEM and camera for tracking
Hello Martin and thanx for your reply, In fact, i need a camera to track people in a space (indoor). The camera will be on the ceiling. There is 5 meters between the ceiling and the floor. With the coordinates of people, i will turn on/off differents lamps on a statue placed in the center of the space. So i need a camera working on a MacMini with MacOSX.5 and Pd and GEM. The last MacMini has a FireWire 800 and 5 USB 2.0. I saw the point grey website, but i can't find price on it. However, they talk about 10 meters cable for FireWire 800. Do you know a model and its price ? Today, I tried a Unibrain Fire-i™ Digital Board Camera and it seems good (FireWire 400 : 89 euros + 19 euros with lens) But i never tried it in installation. ++ Jack Le 6 mars 09 à 18:06, Martin Schied a écrit : hey all, Jaime Oliver schrieb: mmh, I don't really know about lengths. I think there is a limit to how long your firewire cable should be. I usually work with analog cameras in linux where cables can be long ad I capture with a pci card. I think a cheap option that I've seen working well with macs is the unibrain fire-i: http://www.unibrain.com/Products/VisionImg/Fire_i_DC.htm you can buy lenses and chain them, not more than 30fps though, J lengths between firewire 400 devices is usually 4.5m, but you can daisy chain them up to 16 times giving you 72 metres. it's not very recommendable to make long chains, as every plug may be a weak point in your chain. firewire 800 can have longer cables, but i don't know... Jack schrieb: Thanx for the reply. The models are too big for me. I need a smaller camera (something like a cube) because the installation must be discreet. Have you something else to suggest ? Chris : what do you think about Sony driver ? I can't use a PCI card because i will work with a macmini. ++ as manufacturer of small firewire cameras there's also point grey. I don't know exactly about cost, and didn't try them on my own but they often were recommended by people doing tracking, also being said they were affordable, especially the firefly mv which delivers 60...@640x480 and even higher frame rates at lower resolutions. that's what they say about macintosh (seems to work): http://www.ptgrey.com/support/kb/index.asp?a=4q=173 i also made tests with usb webcams (only on linux and windows), some with usable results but most of them are crap. to be usable they should support real usb2.0 for high frame rates at full sensor resolution (usually 640x480), without compression and have ccd sensors for better quality and light sensitivity. (finding out usb version and other technical stuff can be real pain from manufacruerer sites, usually you'll have to try them). image quality was always worse than cheap video cameras - but as an advantage they were not interlaced like usual consumer video cameras. cable lengths can be extended by usb hubs or repeater cables several times, but that's also the many-connectors - many errors thing @Jack: what exactly will your tracking method be based on? natural features? colors? markers? with some luck a cheap usb webcam could be good enough and also really small. (yeah, i'm a fan of using cheap consumer producs and having trouble with them - be warned) cheers, Martin ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] music made with Pd
I liked it too, it has a nice energetic progression. I like the decaying melody notes in the beginning that drop in pitch and fade away at the same time. I also liked the site, just signed up :) rich On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 8:35 AM, Ichabod icha...@gmail.com wrote: Excellent! I like how it has a minimal feel but still sounds quite complete. --Stefan On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Phil Stone pkst...@ucdavis.edu wrote: Hi, I'm trying out this website called soundcloud.com, which seems to be a fairly decent way of sharing music without much nonsense. Anyway, I uploaded a recent piece I made (completely with Pd, naturally!): http://soundcloud.com/putahslim/intrinsic Phil ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd/GEM and camera for tracking
hi Jack, it's about $200 for the firefly mv. They somehow don't want their prices in public... I had a lower price in mind - maybe I mixed that up with the unibrain. I think for that application it's not necessary using higher frame rates. I tried simple movement detection and tracking in gem, using a low resolution 30fps picture and it was nice to play with, yet at low light. Martin Hello Martin and thanx for your reply, In fact, i need a camera to track people in a space (indoor). The camera will be on the ceiling. There is 5 meters between the ceiling and the floor. With the coordinates of people, i will turn on/off differents lamps on a statue placed in the center of the space. So i need a camera working on a MacMini with MacOSX.5 and Pd and GEM. The last MacMini has a FireWire 800 and 5 USB 2.0. I saw the point grey website, but i can't find price on it. However, they talk about 10 meters cable for FireWire 800. Do you know a model and its price ? Today, I tried a Unibrain Fire-i™ Digital Board Camera and it seems good (FireWire 400 : 89 euros + 19 euros with lens) But i never tried it in installation. ++ Jack ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd/GEM and camera for tracking
Ok, thanx a lot Martin. Now, i will think about which model is the most appropriate for my installation. ++ Jack Le 6 mars 09 à 23:48, Martin Schied a écrit : hi Jack, it's about $200 for the firefly mv. They somehow don't want their prices in public... I had a lower price in mind - maybe I mixed that up with the unibrain. I think for that application it's not necessary using higher frame rates. I tried simple movement detection and tracking in gem, using a low resolution 30fps picture and it was nice to play with, yet at low light. Martin Hello Martin and thanx for your reply, In fact, i need a camera to track people in a space (indoor). The camera will be on the ceiling. There is 5 meters between the ceiling and the floor. With the coordinates of people, i will turn on/off differents lamps on a statue placed in the center of the space. So i need a camera working on a MacMini with MacOSX.5 and Pd and GEM. The last MacMini has a FireWire 800 and 5 USB 2.0. I saw the point grey website, but i can't find price on it. However, they talk about 10 meters cable for FireWire 800. Do you know a model and its price ? Today, I tried a Unibrain Fire-i™ Digital Board Camera and it seems good (FireWire 400 : 89 euros + 19 euros with lens) But i never tried it in installation. ++ Jack ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Call for GSoC mentors! March 9th deadline!
True that! I would be way more useful writing documentation than code. If
there was an opportunity like GSoC for that, I'd jump on it.
~Kyle
On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:04 AM, chris clepper cgclep...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Derek Holzer de...@umatic.nl wrote:
I already asked, and GSoC doesn't cover documentation, or else I would
have pitched the Pd FLOSS Manual in there as well. But go for it with the
GLSL/framebuffer coding stuff!
That is really a shame since most open source projects need way more
documentation done than coding. Maybe they will have a Winter of Docs?
chris clepper wrote:
My own suggestion for a GEM project would be to create a tutorial and
accompanying manual that covers the basic operation. The other idea
involves making the more advanced features like GLSL and framebuffer
rendering easier to use. These are mainly documentation projects, but also
have some Pd, and possible C++ coding as well.
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Re: [PD] Pd/GEM and camera for tracking
Hi Jack, I've done a fair bit of this sort of thing before. The most useful setup i've found is: 1) Analogue monochrome CCTV camera. (Preferably with around 700 horizontal lines or so, very low lux, and self syncing) I use these. http://www.allthings.com.au/Catalogue/CCS/monochrome%20low%20light%20cctv%20dsp%20video%20camera.html You can then buy a C or CS lens that is the right angle for your situation. For roof mounted stuff I use an ultra-wide angle varifocal set to just before it noticably fisheyes. 2) Cat 5 balun connected to CCTV camera's analogue video output and power input. This allows signal to be sent, and power to be recieved via a single cheap UTP Cat 5 lead (i've gone 30 metres with no noticable image quality loss, supposedly you can go much further). Removes the need to run a mains power lead or coax lead to the camera so setup is quick and easy, and reduces time spent dangling from ladders. You can get sets of cat 5 baluns really cheap on ebay. 3) Second cat 5 balun, on the other end of the cat 5 lead, placed next to computer. Connect to a suitable power supply for your video camera, and connect signal to a near zero latency industrial firewire capture device such as a DFG/1394-1e. http://www.theimagingsource.com/en_US/products/converters/dfg13941e/ This allows you to hook up to a to a desktop or laptop, including a mac mini. Then you're done. Just set Pd to listen to the DFG/1394-1e. Image will be clean and roughly equivalent to 720x576 res. This setup can also be modified to work with near infra-red light instead of visible light if you want to avoid detecting lighting changes as movement. Just tape three squares of primary red and congo blue gel in front of the camera lens. Set up a few PAR56s to flood the space with light. Add the same gel to the 56's as you did to the camera and it will block almost all visible light. People will glow bright white when viewed through the camera, but most other stuff in the space will be close to invisible. Alternately, if you want to use a firewire board camera, you can get something like a Lindy CAT5 FireWire Extender. They aren't cheap but they extend the maximum length of a firewire run from around 5m to 70m without quality loss. Regards, David Kirkpatrick _ Looking to change your car this year? Find car news, reviews and more http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai%5F859641_t=762955845_r=tig_OCT07_m=EXT___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
