[PD] Re : Split multichannel audio file into stereo pairs

[Ignacio Viano]

Well Jurgen, I like Audacity too. Indeed, that's the way I'm doing it now.
But I need to insert this process in a automatic chain of processes that is
made entirely in PD, that is the reason of my obstination in that specific
point.

I'll try the -batch flag. That will be useful not only for this but for the
entire process. How do I make it work? Just putting the -batch flag on
startup?

One last thing. I remember to have some synch problems while recording with
many [writesf~] (correctly triggered, of course). Any ideas about that? I
might had been doing something wrong…

Thanks
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Re: [PD] PDF of Kreidler´s "Loadbang" book

[Matthew Logan]

This page has a 10 download limit, which has been exceeded.  Please upload
it again.  Thanks!

Matt Logan

On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Caio Barros  wrote:

> Hi all.
> I´m new in Pd and the Pd-list.
> I built a PDF file of the English translation of the Johannes Kreidler´s
> book "Programming Electronic Music with Pd" also known as "Loadbang" and I
> think that this could be usefull for everybody. I maid  this only with the
> English translation because is the only language I can read so far (I`m
> brasillian). But there is one problem in the file: I had to squeeze some
> images so they can fit in the page (I used A4 because is the regular size
> here in Brazil). So I included in the zip file the .odt (OpenOffice) file
> that I used to build the PDF so I guys can maybe make some changes to
> make it look better, if you will.
>
> Anyway, here is the download link:
> http://rapidshare.com/files/245237474/kreidler_pemwpd.zip.html
>
> Best of all
> Caio G. de Barros
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Re: [PD] Re : Split multichannel audio file into stereo pairs

[Lao Yu]

I really wonder what is the point to do such a thing in Pd - there  
are different tools for different task, 'one size fits all' is an  
almost religious illusion...


audacity does changing file types better than any app that I know.  
there's to the left side of the window at the name of the file a pull  
down window that allows you to split, glue together etc exactly as  
you want to.
<>
<>


solo the tracks that you want to export as stereo, click "make left"  
the one you want to be left and "make right" you want to be right.  
than click "make stereo" and export. and then the next pair of tracks.


Best
Jurgen


On Jun 17, 2009, at 8:57 AM, Peter Plessas wrote:


IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:

dwanafite wrote:

Hi

You could use [readsf~ 12] to read your file and then several  
[writesf~ 2] to record, but i guess you want something faster...
in 0.42 you can use batchmode to do "immediate" (faster-than  
realtime) processing. in older versions you can just use  
upsampling to speed up the process.


If you are on a Linux box you can use sox:
> sox infile_multichannel.wav outfile_ch1.wav remix 1
> sox infile_multichannel.wav outfile_ch2.wav remix 2

If you are not on a Linux box, try using one instead :-)

mfg, PP

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Re: [PD] Re : Split multichannel audio file into stereo pairs

[Peter Plessas]

IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:

dwanafite wrote:

Hi

You could use [readsf~ 12] to read your file and then several 
[writesf~ 2] to record, but i guess you want something faster...


in 0.42 you can use batchmode to do "immediate" (faster-than realtime) 
processing. in older versions you can just use upsampling to speed up 
the process.


If you are on a Linux box you can use sox:
> sox infile_multichannel.wav outfile_ch1.wav remix 1
> sox infile_multichannel.wav outfile_ch2.wav remix 2

If you are not on a Linux box, try using one instead :-)

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Re: [PD] GEM objects missing

[Jack]

Hello,

Have you try to replace [pix_buffer_filmopen] with [Gem/ 
pix_buffer_filmopen] ?

++

Jack


Le 16 juin 09 à 23:52, Max a écrit :


hi list,

i am looking for [pix_buffer_filmopen] (there is a helpfile, but it  
can't be created and [pix_substract] which is referenced in the  
[pix_diff] helpfile but doesn't create eiher.



GEM: Graphics Environment for Multimedia
GEM: ver: 0.91.3 'tigital'
GEM: compiled: May 30 2009

Pd-ext 0.41.4 rc5

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[PD] GEM objects missing

[Max]

hi list,

i am looking for [pix_buffer_filmopen] (there is a helpfile, but it  
can't be created and [pix_substract] which is referenced in the  
[pix_diff] helpfile but doesn't create eiher.



GEM: Graphics Environment for Multimedia
GEM: ver: 0.91.3 'tigital'
GEM: compiled: May 30 2009

Pd-ext 0.41.4 rc5

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Re: [PD] K8061 USB interface board in PD on Mac

[Wilfred de Zoete]

Thanks for the link and if it is not too much work for you the source 
code would be great.


chau
Wilf

a. tonal schreef:

hallo,
i found this: 
http://mac.softpedia.com/get/Utilities/K8055-User-Interface.shtml.


quote:
Included is a static library that can be used for easily
developing other applications and closely replicates the Velleman
Windows

.DLL functions.
end quote


so maybe you can use this as a starting point and extend it.
i think the k8061 is a double k8055, right?

for the pd object, if i can find the source code i can post it if you 
like.

(i have to search various harddrives and usbsticks)

ciao
olli

> So the first thing I will explore now is rewriting the dll and testing
> it on my virtual windows machines (XP and Win7).
>
>
> Thanks,
>
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Re: [PD] Re : Split multichannel audio file into stereo pairs

[Roman Haefeli]

On Tue, 2009-06-16 at 09:03 +, dwanafite wrote:
> Hi
> 
> You could use [readsf~ 12] to read your file and then several [writesf~ 2] to 
> record, but i guess you want something faster... However, I don't know how 
> readsf~ behaves with 12 tracks/32-bits files (that's somewhat extreme).

this is not a bad idea, i'd say. you can put both, the [readsf~ 12]  and
the six [writesf~], into an upsampled subpatch to make it faster (using
a [block~] object). 
even if your harddrive wouldn't be able to read or write that fast, you
won't have any dropouts in the resulting files, since pd works in a
deterministic manner.

since version 0.42, there is a -batch flag, that allows you to run pd as
a sound 'renderer at maximum speed, similar to the 'bounce-to-file'
option in some DAWs. then you don't even need any [block~] trickery
anymore.

roman

 

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> Objet : [PD] Split multichannel audio file into stereo pairs
> 
> Hi everyone.
> 
> I want to split a 32-bits 12 tracks audio file (aif) into 6 stereo files 
> (consecutive pairs i.e. 1-2, 3-4, etc.).
> 
> I've already tried with [soundfiler], but there seems to be many problems 
> with large files (this one is aprox. 10 minutes lenght) and with 32-bits 
> reading (I listen a kind of quantizing error noise, a sort of dithering-less 
> noise). In fact, I'm thinking of reporting a bug on it, but I'd have to 
> explain which exactly the problem is, and I need some time for that.
> 
> Currently, I'm doing this manually with Audacity, but I need it to be 
> automatic and, if possibly, with PD. Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Ignacio
> 
> 
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Re: [PD] Techniques for atomic/controlled variable updates

[Fred Smith]

Thanks to both Jonathan and Frank for your replies.

Took me a bit, but I now understand the pack list suggestion. I still
fear I may have issues once I unpack the list (as, it will resume the
right-left propagation of those values into the rendering piece of the
patch), but this gives me a better understanding of the tools to use
for ordering messages.

Thanks again,
-fred


On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 11:41 PM, Frank Barknecht wrote:
> Hallo,
> Fred Smith hat gesagt: // Fred Smith wrote:
>
>> The problem I'm having is that the single input parameter is processed
>> to generate 4 control parameters for GEM - 2 indexes into the image
>> list, and 2 gain scale factors used when blending the images. The
>> issueis that when a control values enters the system, the 4 output
>> parameters are updated in an order dictated by the messaging
>> architecture of puredata - and, as the 4 output parameters are
>> updated, they are momentarily inconsistent with each other.
>>
>> 
>> |
>> |
>> 
>> |              |              |                |
>>                
>>
>> So, an input value enters the system, and the outputs are updated
>> based on the depth first traversal of the patch - out1, then out2,
>> then out3, then out4. Meanwhile, GEM is rendering the output to the
>> screen. So, suppose out1 then out2 get updated, and GEM renders a
>> screen shot. At that point in time, out1 and out2 correspond  to the
>> new input parameter, and out3 and out4 correspond to the previous
>> input parameter, and the resulting display shows artifacts of this
>> inconsistency.
>>
>> I've managed to resolve my specific project's issue by rewriting the
>> control algorithm such that the inconsistencies minimize the visual
>> artifacts, but the fundamental update order problem remains unsolved,
>> and I'm curious if others have dealt with this type of issue.
>>
>> Can anyone point me to techniques for managing this type of problem?
>
> Without any precautions,   ...  are independent from each other.
> If  ...  have to activate at the same time, you have to pack them
> into a single list. If you need a certain order, like  firing before
>  you have to use [trigger] objects to enforce that order, possibly 
> chained.
>
> Ideally you should try to make your own in- and outlets follow a right-to-left
> activation order like almost everything else in Pd.
>
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Re: [PD] pd + git

[cristiano figueiró]

exactly, well...i can acces every commit in text format, then save as
othername.pd and then open pd..anyone maintain pd patches repos in git?

On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 2:00 PM, cristiano figueiró wrote:

> exactly, well...i can acces every commit in text format, then save as
> othername.pd and then open pd..anyone maintain pd patches repos in git?
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 1:19 PM, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:
>
>> cristiano figueiró wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> A little question about work with git in patch repositorys:
>>>
>>> Can i acces directly in pd my older revisions? I'm doing in the wrong way
>>> i think, i pickup some commit id and save with another name and than open pd
>>> :p
>>>
>>
>> hmm, i'm not sure whether i fully understand your question.
>> do you mean like in svn, where you can open both mypatch.pd and
>> .svn/text-base/mypatch.pd.svn-base ?
>> i don't think this is possible with git, as it stores the meta-data in a
>> binary compressed format. (but then i don't use git)
>>
>> gmasdr
>> IOhannes
>>
>
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[PD] PDF of Kreidler´s "Loadbang" book

[Caio Barros]

Hi all.
I´m new in Pd and the Pd-list.
I built a PDF file of the English translation of the Johannes Kreidler´s
book "Programming Electronic Music with Pd" also known as "Loadbang" and I
think that this could be usefull for everybody. I maid  this only with the
English translation because is the only language I can read so far (I`m
brasillian). But there is one problem in the file: I had to squeeze some
images so they can fit in the page (I used A4 because is the regular size
here in Brazil). So I included in the zip file the .odt (OpenOffice) file
that I used to build the PDF so I guys can maybe make some changes to
make it look better, if you will.

Anyway, here is the download link:
http://rapidshare.com/files/245237474/kreidler_pemwpd.zip.html

Best of all
Caio G. de Barros
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Re: [PD] pd + git

[IOhannes m zmölnig]

cristiano figueiró wrote:

Hi everyone,

A little question about work with git in patch repositorys:

Can i acces directly in pd my older revisions? I'm doing in the wrong 
way i think, i pickup some commit id and save with another name and than 
open pd :p


hmm, i'm not sure whether i fully understand your question.
do you mean like in svn, where you can open both mypatch.pd and 
.svn/text-base/mypatch.pd.svn-base ?
i don't think this is possible with git, as it stores the meta-data in a 
binary compressed format. (but then i don't use git)


gmasdr
IOhannes

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Re: [PD] K8061 USB interface board in PD on Mac

[a. tonal]

hallo,
i found this: http://mac.softpedia.com/get/Utilities/K8055-User-Interface.shtml.
quote:
Included is a static library that can be used for easily developing other 
applications and closely replicates the Velleman Windows .DLL functions.
end quote

so maybe you can use this as a starting point and extend it.
i think the k8061 is a double k8055, right?

for the pd object, if i can find the source code i can post it if you like.
(i have to search various harddrives and usbsticks)

ciao
olli

> So the first thing I will explore now is rewriting the dll and testing 
> it on my virtual windows machines (XP and Win7).
> 
> 
> Thanks,
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[PD] pd + git

[cristiano figueiró]

Hi everyone,

A little question about work with git in patch repositorys:

Can i acces directly in pd my older revisions? I'm doing in the wrong way i
think, i pickup some commit id and save with another name and than open pd
:p

thanks
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Re: [PD] K8061 USB interface board in PD on Mac

[Martin Peach]

Wilfred de Zoete wrote:



Martin Peach schreef:
I found this googling "K8061 protocol", it seems to be source code for 
a linux driver for the K8061:

http://doip.laupro.nl/browser/doip/k8061/trunk/k8061.c?rev=109
Maybe it could be ported to Mac?
I saw that one too and was thinking about setting up a Linux distro in 
Virtualbox to try it. The key question for me would remain if that app 
can communicate real time with PD to use the K8061 as controller.

Anyhow, it's not just a serial interface like Arduino uses.
Correct, it's a bit more advanced and has nice features that in 
potential can be very powerful... If one can program :P
the dll does all the communication with the card. the pd object, or 
whatever program, uses commands provided by the dll.
I have read the instructions and the codes of the K8061. Since your 
external is just a dll if I am right, I will try to explore the 
possibilities to rewrite it for the 8061.


Well Pd externals for Windows are all dlls. The dll shipped with the 
8061 is closed source but at least there is a development kit with a 
header file:

http://www.vellemanusa.com/downloads/files/downloads/k8061_vistapack_2007v1.zip

I have no knowledge about writing dlls but am a fast learner so I'll 
take up that challenge.


It should be not too hard to adapt an example program from the sdk to be 
a Pd external.

http://pdstatic.iem.at/externals-HOWTO/
is the standard reference for Pd externals.

i further think, that when using a virtual os like virtual box or 
wine, the communication with hardware is handled by the host os. 
correct me if i'm wrong.

The OS on virtualbox can communicate directly with the installed USB bus.
my humble suggestion, if asked for, was: why not use an arduino? or 
modify some joystick to your needs and use 'hid'?
I started out with Joysticks and HID in conjunction with USB Overdrive 
and such but I just want more ins AND outs, analog AND digital. Arduino 
seems okay but limited as well.




There is now a bigger Arduino:
http://arduino.cc/en/Main/ArduinoBoardMega

Martin



So the first thing I will explore now is rewriting the dll and testing 
it on my virtual windows machines (XP and Win7).



Thanks,

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Re: [PD] Re : Split multichannel audio file into stereo pairs

[IOhannes m zmölnig]

dwanafite wrote:

Hi

You could use [readsf~ 12] to read your file and then several [writesf~ 2] to 
record, but i guess you want something faster...


in 0.42 you can use batchmode to do "immediate" (faster-than realtime) 
processing. in older versions you can just use upsampling to speed up 
the process.




However, I don't know how readsf~ behaves with 12 tracks/32-bits files (that's 
somewhat extreme).


not to my knowledge. i have played back 24-channels files as well.

mfdasrt
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Re: [PD] K8061 USB interface board in PD on Mac

[Wilfred de Zoete]

Martin Peach schreef:
I found this googling "K8061 protocol", it seems to be source code for 
a linux driver for the K8061:

http://doip.laupro.nl/browser/doip/k8061/trunk/k8061.c?rev=109
Maybe it could be ported to Mac?
I saw that one too and was thinking about setting up a Linux distro in 
Virtualbox to try it. The key question for me would remain if that app 
can communicate real time with PD to use the K8061 as controller.

Anyhow, it's not just a serial interface like Arduino uses.
Correct, it's a bit more advanced and has nice features that in 
potential can be very powerful... If one can program :P
the dll does all the communication with the card. the pd object, or 
whatever program, uses commands provided by the dll.
I have read the instructions and the codes of the K8061. Since your 
external is just a dll if I am right, I will try to explore the 
possibilities to rewrite it for the 8061.
I have no knowledge about writing dlls but am a fast learner so I'll 
take up that challenge.
i further think, that when using a virtual os like virtual box or 
wine, the communication with hardware is handled by the host os. 
correct me if i'm wrong.

The OS on virtualbox can communicate directly with the installed USB bus.
my humble suggestion, if asked for, was: why not use an arduino? or 
modify some joystick to your needs and use 'hid'?
I started out with Joysticks and HID in conjunction with USB Overdrive 
and such but I just want more ins AND outs, analog AND digital. Arduino 
seems okay but limited as well.



So the first thing I will explore now is rewriting the dll and testing 
it on my virtual windows machines (XP and Win7).



Thanks,

Wilfred

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[PD] PureData Bootcamp, Cardiff UK- Sept

[simon kilshaw]

Please excuse the cross posting:
PureData Bootcamp

Tuesday 1 September - Saturday 5 September

The Royal Welsh College of Music and Drama is proud to offer an intensive 5
day PureData workshop. PureData is a free and open source real-time
graphical programming environment used by artists to create a range of
visual arts, theatre, dance, audio, installation, performance and media art
works.

This intensive boot-camp is designed for artists working in different media
to explore the capabilities of PureData to create interactive environments,
real-time sound design, physical modeling, manipulation of live visuals and
interface authoring.

The course will culminate in a performance/ installation/ concert of the
work realised during the week.

Participants are welcome to bring their own laptops, but full resources are
provided.

To apply for this course, please download the registration form here or
contact the Events Team to receive a registration form via email or post

Cost: £200 + VAT

***Early Bird Offer***
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Only Until August 1st

How to Book
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payment details, to: Events Team, Royal Welsh College of Music & Drama,
Castle Grounds, Cathays Park, Cardiff CF10 3ER

For a hard copy of the booking form contact the Events Team on 029 2039 1391
or email: shortcour...@rwcmd.ac.uk

Although there is no application deadline, places are limited so early
booking is recommended

Additional Information
If you have a disability please provide sufficient information at the time
of booking so we can consider any special arrangements necessary

The restaurant at the College will be open at lunchtime for the purchase of
hot and cold meals

Accommodation can be arranged through the College at Severn Point, the
privately owned RWCMD Halls of Residence, at a cost of £20 per night. Severn
Point offers indiviudal en-suite rooms which are arranged in flats of 6
bedrooms around a communal living and kitchen space. The Halls are
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To book a place in the Halls of Residence please fill out the booking form
and return to the Events Team 3 weeks before the start of your course.

If you require more information about any aspect of the accommodation please
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[PD] Re : Split multichannel audio file into stereo pairs

[dwanafite]

Hi

You could use [readsf~ 12] to read your file and then several [writesf~ 2] to 
record, but i guess you want something faster... However, I don't know how 
readsf~ behaves with 12 tracks/32-bits files (that's somewhat extreme).

Baptiste

De : Ignacio Viano 
À : pd-list@iem.at
Envoyé le : Mardi, 16 Juin 2009, 4h01mn 58s
Objet : [PD] Split multichannel audio file into stereo pairs

Hi everyone.

I want to split a 32-bits 12 tracks audio file (aif) into 6 stereo files 
(consecutive pairs i.e. 1-2, 3-4, etc.).

I've already tried with [soundfiler], but there seems to be many problems with 
large files (this one is aprox. 10 minutes lenght) and with 32-bits reading (I 
listen a kind of quantizing error noise, a sort of dithering-less noise). In 
fact, I'm thinking of reporting a bug on it, but I'd have to explain which 
exactly the problem is, and I need some time for that.

Currently, I'm doing this manually with Audacity, but I need it to be automatic 
and, if possibly, with PD. Any ideas?

Thanks

Ignacio


  

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