Re: [PD] customizing the new Pd GUI, some examples

[Ichabod]

2009/8/31 Hans-Christoph Steiner 

> ...
> [screenshots]
>

Is the font being changed, or is it just one Pd already uses on a different
system than mine?

--Stefán
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Re: [PD] customizing the new Pd GUI, some examples

[Jonathan Wilkes]

Trippy.  Even the xlets disappear!Are segmented patch cords also a possibility now?-Jonathan--- On Tue, 9/1/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner  wrote:From: Hans-Christoph Steiner Subject: Re: [PD] customizing the new Pd GUI, some examplesTo: "András Murányi" Cc: pd-list@iem.atDate: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 5:06 AMI just made a commit to make this possible.  Check how "hide_cords.tcl" and "editmode_look.tcl" in pd-gui-rewrite.  They are both in pd/startup/disabled, so you'll need to move them to pd/startup to make them load.  They are both triggered by edit
 mode..hcOn Aug 28, 2009, at 3:48 PM, András Murányi wrote:I wish to hide connections... oh my!I would be happy with a single global option to hide'em in performance mode (ctrl-e).Does it make sense?-- Muranyi Andras ___Pd-list@iem.at mailing listUNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Using ReBirth is like trying to play an 808 with a long stick.    -David Zicarelli -Inline Attachment Follows-___Pd-list@iem.at mailing listUNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list



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Re: [PD] Pd META: Author/Help Patch Authors

[Jonathan Wilkes]

--- On Tue, 9/1/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner  wrote:

> From: Hans-Christoph Steiner 
> Subject: Re: [PD] Pd META: Author/Help Patch Authors
> To: "Jonathan Wilkes" 
> Cc: pd-list@iem.at
> Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 5:00 AM
> 
> It is Pd, so I think we should at least make an effort to
> make things easy to parse in Pd.  I tried your parser
> using data that is probably closer to what we might use, and
> it didn't work at all.   If someone can get a
> Pd parser working that can handle the commas well, then I
> would be OK using commas in the meta data format.
> 
> Here's my data:
> tags - pure data, frequency modulation, synthesis

Hi Hans,
 I wouldn't expect my example to work as a general solution.  If you 
want a general solution, I'd be happy to take a stab at it, but you 
haven't said what you want Pd to do with the data example you've provided 
above.

-Jonathan


  

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Re: [PD] customizing the new Pd GUI, some examples

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

I just made a commit to make this possible.  Check how "hide_cords.tcl" and "editmode_look.tcl" in pd-gui-rewrite.  They are both in pd/startup/disabled, so you'll need to move them to pd/startup to make them load.  They are both triggered by edit mode..hcOn Aug 28, 2009, at 3:48 PM, András Murányi wrote:I wish to hide connections... oh my!I would be happy with a single global option to hide'em in performance mode (ctrl-e).Does it make sense?-- Muranyi Andras ___Pd-list@iem.at mailing listUNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Using ReBirth is like trying to play an 808 with a long stick.    -David Zicarelli ___
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Re: [PD] Pd META: Author/Help Patch Authors

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

It is Pd, so I think we should at least make an effort to make things  
easy to parse in Pd.  I tried your parser using data that is probably  
closer to what we might use, and it didn't work at all.   If someone  
can get a Pd parser working that can handle the commas well, then I  
would be OK using commas in the meta data format.


Here's my data:
tags - pure data, frequency modulation, synthesis



file.pd
Description: Binary data




.hc

On Aug 31, 2009, at 7:55 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:


Yes.

But why do you want to parse pd files with pd?  The only prototype I
saw in the PDDP docs that use this META data was written in c (or  
maybe

it was python, I can't remember).

-Jonathan


--- On Mon, 8/31/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner  wrote:


From: Hans-Christoph Steiner 
Subject: Re: [PD] Pd META: Author/Help Patch Authors
To: "Jonathan Wilkes" 
Cc: pd-list@iem.at
Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 9:20 PM

I think that in practice, the commas will cause problems,
since Pd
interprets a comma as a message separator.  In my
experience, at least.

Do you have a working example of reading from textfile and
doing
something with the text with commas in it?

.hc

On Aug 31, 2009, at 1:40 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:


[bang(
|
[list append foo, bar]
|
[$2(
|
[print]

To parse, just use [sel,]
Same for semicolon.
Also works when reading from [textfile]

-Jonathan

--- On Mon, 8/31/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner 

wrote:



From: Hans-Christoph Steiner 
Subject: Re: [PD] Pd META: Author/Help Patch

Authors

To: "Jonathan Wilkes" 
Cc: pd-list@iem.at
Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 4:16 PM

Cool, could you post an example of parsing commas

in Pd? If

its easy to parse the commas from a 'text' object,

then that

would solve the tags debate.

.hc

On Aug 28, 2009, at 1:10 PM, Jonathan Wilkes

wrote:



I'm getting close to finishing making all the

help

patches in the reference

folder conform to the PDDP template.

I need to add a keyword to pd META for the

object

author and the help patch

authors, something like:

AUTHOR Miller Puckette

HELP_PATCH_AUTHOR(S) Dave Sabine, Krzysztof

Czaja,

Jonathan Wilkes


(BTW, it's quite easy to parse commas in Pd.)

-Jonathan







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[PD] ReRe: pd~ for Max

[fred-ordi]

so sorry, finally build succeed attached after hacking a bit Info.plist 
from cycling exemple, just got warning "unused variable whom"

(xcode 3.0 osx 10.5.8 gcc4.0.1)
same as before :

I tryed with loading Max5 before and after loading Pd 0.42-5.
then started dsp in max5 than selecting Pd in pd~.help

If Pd loaded before got four times "pd~ version 0.2" in Max window,
and got only one Pd process loaded (since we can have many on linux)
If Pd load after, got only three time pd~ message in Max window,
and no Pd launched (grep Pd)

how can I help ?

fred



fred-ordi wrote:
So, I copyed the MaxAPIs in /Library/Frameworks/ as required in 
xcodeprojet, then got this error :


...pd~.mxo/Contents/Infoplist does not exist (build failed)

fred


Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:


It probably needs to be compiled for Max5.  Anyone with Max5 want to 
give it a shot?


.hc

On Aug 31, 2009, at 3:43 AM, fred-ordi wrote:

yes, here same with Pd-0.42-5 and Max5 on OSX 10.5.8, not yet succeed 
in:
Max window tells nothing about something wrong ("pd~ version 0.2" 
printed to Max window when instantiated) but the pd~ object in 
pd~.help patcher appears with a dark foreground colorlike if the 
external is wrong...


Cheers,
Fred

Miller Puckette wrote:

Oh... good idea (I have only Max 4; my OS is too old to upgrade to 5)
thanks
M
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 08:32:27PM +0200, Max wrote:

pd~ for max does not even launch Pd here.
DSP is on.
Is there anybody else on the Pd-list who has Max5 installed on OS 
X  who could try this out?


thx, Max

Am 28.08.2009 um 19:54 schrieb Miller Puckette:

I had the same problem for a while... for pd~ to work not only do  
you have to
start "dsp" in the help window but you also have to have audio 
going  in and

out of Max.  Otherwise Pd start up but does nothing.

cheers
M

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 04:47:11PM +0200, Max wrote:

I'm having trouble getting it to run - there is no INSTALL
instructions, but i guess
pd~.mxo lives in /Applications/Max5/Cycling\ '74/msp-externals/
and pd~.help lives in /Applications/Max5/Cycling\ '74/msp-help/
allthough the other files are called .maxhelp, not .help

i restarted Max and created a pd~ Object, it has no in or outlets 
but

i can open the Help from there, switch Audio on and Select the
Pd-0.42-5.app but nothing happens.

what am i doing wrong?

Am 28.08.2009 um 05:35 schrieb Miller Puckette:


Oops, sorry about that... I reorganized some stuff and that fell
through a crack.  It's back up on:

http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html

cheers
Miller

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 03:21:57AM +0200, Max wrote:

Hi List,

i've been asked by students where to download the starter drug 
?pd~
for Max? and i could not find it myself - i thought it is  
available?

It's neither here:
http://crca.ucsd.edu/~tapel/software.html
nor
http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html
and here neither:
http://www.maxobjects.com/?v=authors&initiale=M

max




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Re: [PD] Pd META: Author/Help Patch Authors

[Jonathan Wilkes]

Yes.

But why do you want to parse pd files with pd?  The only prototype I 
saw in the PDDP docs that use this META data was written in c (or maybe 
it was python, I can't remember).

-Jonathan


--- On Mon, 8/31/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner  wrote:

> From: Hans-Christoph Steiner 
> Subject: Re: [PD] Pd META: Author/Help Patch Authors
> To: "Jonathan Wilkes" 
> Cc: pd-list@iem.at
> Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 9:20 PM
> 
> I think that in practice, the commas will cause problems,
> since Pd  
> interprets a comma as a message separator.  In my
> experience, at least.
> 
> Do you have a working example of reading from textfile and
> doing  
> something with the text with commas in it?
> 
> .hc
> 
> On Aug 31, 2009, at 1:40 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
> 
> > [bang(
> > |
> > [list append foo, bar]
> > |
> > [$2(
> > |
> > [print]
> >
> > To parse, just use [sel,]
> > Same for semicolon.
> > Also works when reading from [textfile]
> >
> > -Jonathan
> >
> > --- On Mon, 8/31/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner 
> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Hans-Christoph Steiner 
> >> Subject: Re: [PD] Pd META: Author/Help Patch
> Authors
> >> To: "Jonathan Wilkes" 
> >> Cc: pd-list@iem.at
> >> Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 4:16 PM
> >>
> >> Cool, could you post an example of parsing commas
> in Pd? If
> >> its easy to parse the commas from a 'text' object,
> then that
> >> would solve the tags debate.
> >>
> >> .hc
> >>
> >> On Aug 28, 2009, at 1:10 PM, Jonathan Wilkes
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I'm getting close to finishing making all the
> help
> >> patches in the reference
> >>> folder conform to the PDDP template.
> >>>
> >>> I need to add a keyword to pd META for the
> object
> >> author and the help patch
> >>> authors, something like:
> >>>
> >>> AUTHOR Miller Puckette
> >>>
> >>> HELP_PATCH_AUTHOR(S) Dave Sabine, Krzysztof
> Czaja,
> >> Jonathan Wilkes
> >>>
> >>> (BTW, it's quite easy to parse commas in Pd.)
> >>>
> >>> -Jonathan
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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  #N canvas 261 110 450 300 12;
#X text 45 42 foo \, bar;
#N canvas 412 253 344 325 12;
#X obj 12 35 textfile;
#X msg 12 10 read file.pd \, rewind \, bang \, bang;
#X obj 12 60 route #X;
#X obj 12 85 route text;
#X obj 12 110 list split 2;
#X obj 58 160 list split 1;
#X obj 104 210 route \,;
#X obj 104 185 list trim;
#X obj 58 286 print before_comma;
#X obj 104 261 print after_comma;
#X obj 104 235 list;
#X obj 76 135 print altogether;
#X obj 124 60 file;
#X text 170 60 <- file to be parsed;
#X connect 0 0 2 0;
#X connect 1 0 0 0;
#X connect 2 0 3 0;
#X connect 3 0 4 0;
#X connect 4 1 5 0;
#X connect 4 1 11 0;
#X connect 5 0 8 0;
#X connect 5 1 7 0;
#X connect 6 0 10 0;
#X connect 7 0 6 0;
#X connect 10 0 9 0;
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Re: [PD] pd~ for Max

[fred-ordi]

So, I copyed the MaxAPIs in /Library/Frameworks/ as required in 
xcodeprojet, then got this error :


...pd~.mxo/Contents/Infoplist does not exist (build failed)

fred


Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:


It probably needs to be compiled for Max5.  Anyone with Max5 want to 
give it a shot?


.hc

On Aug 31, 2009, at 3:43 AM, fred-ordi wrote:


yes, here same with Pd-0.42-5 and Max5 on OSX 10.5.8, not yet succeed in:
Max window tells nothing about something wrong ("pd~ version 0.2" 
printed to Max window when instantiated) but the pd~ object in 
pd~.help patcher appears with a dark foreground colorlike if the 
external is wrong...


Cheers,
Fred

Miller Puckette wrote:

Oh... good idea (I have only Max 4; my OS is too old to upgrade to 5)
thanks
M
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 08:32:27PM +0200, Max wrote:

pd~ for max does not even launch Pd here.
DSP is on.
Is there anybody else on the Pd-list who has Max5 installed on OS X  
who could try this out?


thx, Max

Am 28.08.2009 um 19:54 schrieb Miller Puckette:

I had the same problem for a while... for pd~ to work not only do  
you have to
start "dsp" in the help window but you also have to have audio 
going  in and

out of Max.  Otherwise Pd start up but does nothing.

cheers
M

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 04:47:11PM +0200, Max wrote:

I'm having trouble getting it to run - there is no INSTALL
instructions, but i guess
pd~.mxo lives in /Applications/Max5/Cycling\ '74/msp-externals/
and pd~.help lives in /Applications/Max5/Cycling\ '74/msp-help/
allthough the other files are called .maxhelp, not .help

i restarted Max and created a pd~ Object, it has no in or outlets but
i can open the Help from there, switch Audio on and Select the
Pd-0.42-5.app but nothing happens.

what am i doing wrong?

Am 28.08.2009 um 05:35 schrieb Miller Puckette:


Oops, sorry about that... I reorganized some stuff and that fell
through a crack.  It's back up on:

http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html

cheers
Miller

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 03:21:57AM +0200, Max wrote:

Hi List,

i've been asked by students where to download the starter drug ?pd~
for Max? and i could not find it myself - i thought it is  
available?

It's neither here:
http://crca.ucsd.edu/~tapel/software.html
nor
http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html
and here neither:
http://www.maxobjects.com/?v=authors&initiale=M

max




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Re: [PD] pd~ for Max

[fred-ordi]

hum, I'd like to but I never used xcodeproject (3.0 with 10.5.8)
something particular to clic on ?
(have only experience with terminals in linuxppc ;))

fred



Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:


It probably needs to be compiled for Max5.  Anyone with Max5 want to 
give it a shot?


.hc

On Aug 31, 2009, at 3:43 AM, fred-ordi wrote:


yes, here same with Pd-0.42-5 and Max5 on OSX 10.5.8, not yet succeed in:
Max window tells nothing about something wrong ("pd~ version 0.2" 
printed to Max window when instantiated) but the pd~ object in 
pd~.help patcher appears with a dark foreground colorlike if the 
external is wrong...


Cheers,
Fred

Miller Puckette wrote:

Oh... good idea (I have only Max 4; my OS is too old to upgrade to 5)
thanks
M
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 08:32:27PM +0200, Max wrote:

pd~ for max does not even launch Pd here.
DSP is on.
Is there anybody else on the Pd-list who has Max5 installed on OS X  
who could try this out?


thx, Max

Am 28.08.2009 um 19:54 schrieb Miller Puckette:

I had the same problem for a while... for pd~ to work not only do  
you have to
start "dsp" in the help window but you also have to have audio 
going  in and

out of Max.  Otherwise Pd start up but does nothing.

cheers
M

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 04:47:11PM +0200, Max wrote:

I'm having trouble getting it to run - there is no INSTALL
instructions, but i guess
pd~.mxo lives in /Applications/Max5/Cycling\ '74/msp-externals/
and pd~.help lives in /Applications/Max5/Cycling\ '74/msp-help/
allthough the other files are called .maxhelp, not .help

i restarted Max and created a pd~ Object, it has no in or outlets but
i can open the Help from there, switch Audio on and Select the
Pd-0.42-5.app but nothing happens.

what am i doing wrong?

Am 28.08.2009 um 05:35 schrieb Miller Puckette:


Oops, sorry about that... I reorganized some stuff and that fell
through a crack.  It's back up on:

http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html

cheers
Miller

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 03:21:57AM +0200, Max wrote:

Hi List,

i've been asked by students where to download the starter drug ?pd~
for Max? and i could not find it myself - i thought it is  
available?

It's neither here:
http://crca.ucsd.edu/~tapel/software.html
nor
http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html
and here neither:
http://www.maxobjects.com/?v=authors&initiale=M

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Re: [PD] ping.

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[PD] gemwindow and gemcontrol

[Andres Ferrari]

hello,

where can I to get gemwindow and gemcontrol objects for osx 10.4 ppc?

thanks a lot:
 Andrés Ferrari G. 


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Re: [PD] call for translations for new Pd GUI

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Aug 28, 2009, at 3:15 PM, András Murányi wrote:



2009/8/28 Jonathan Wilkes 

> Number2 exists because it comes from an external library
> that was merged into vanilla back then.
>
> Number1 still exists because Number2 isn't
> backwards-compatible with Number1 and so can't actually
> replace it. Number2 couldn't be made
> backwards-compatible anymore because it was already used by
> those who started pd with -lib iemgui.
>
> Actually, a special constructor could have been made for
> that case, similar to how [hradio] and [vradio] also exist
> as [hdl] and [vdl], but there's also a big mismatch of
> options between Number1 and Number2, such that it isn't
> really easy to merge Number1 and Number2 without making a
> more complicated whole with even more options.
>
> Thanks a lot for the explanation!
> At the end, do we need them both in the Put menu...?

All the native gui objects available in Pd Vanilla are listed in the  
Put
menu, so it would seem odd to remove just one of them.  Plus, you  
can't

create a number atom by typing a name into an object box.  It's only
created through the Put menu, or by its shortcut  (well,  
dynamic
patching too).  Removing it from the Put menu makes it an obscure  
object.


You could advocate moving Number2 up in the list and giving it the
 shortcut, but it currently has some annoying features like:
* the number turns red when you scroll
* its too wide (almost twice as wide as number atom at width = 5)
* label size will change the size of the number
* its hard to put the output range back to default once you've  
changed it


Given those drawbacks, I prefer just using "Number" instead of  
"Number2."


Oooo-kay! From the perspective of a translator, this is kind of  
embarassing, from the perspective of the systematic mind ("the  
Programmer"!) still a little bit embarassing, but from a personal  
point a view, just makes me love her more!! ;o)
Thanks for the details. Would be nice to wikify this kind of wisdom  
- maybe our grandsons will do that? ;o)




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Re: [PD] Pd at a livecoding event on the BBC

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Aug 31, 2009, at 5:18 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:


On Mon, 31 Aug 2009, Derek Holzer wrote:

It's been clear for quite some time that we need more natural  
predators in the boring techno ecosystem.


Maybe, but last time it happened, it only resulted in the  
proliferation of a more resistant strain of boring techno, so, watch  
out!


Well, if its fun to watch, then it isn't boring, no?  :-D

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Re: [PD] Pd at a livecoding event on the BBC

[Mathieu Bouchard]

On Mon, 31 Aug 2009, Derek Holzer wrote:

It's been clear for quite some time that we need more natural predators in 
the boring techno ecosystem.


Maybe, but last time it happened, it only resulted in the proliferation of 
a more resistant strain of boring techno, so, watch out!


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Re: [PD] customizing the new Pd GUI, some examples

[András Murányi]

I wish to hide connections... oh my!
I would be happy with a single global option to hide'em in performance mode
(ctrl-e).

Does it make sense?

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Re: [PD] Pd META: Author/Help Patch Authors

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

I think that in practice, the commas will cause problems, since Pd  
interprets a comma as a message separator.  In my experience, at least.


Do you have a working example of reading from textfile and doing  
something with the text with commas in it?


.hc

On Aug 31, 2009, at 1:40 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:


[bang(
|
[list append foo, bar]
|
[$2(
|
[print]

To parse, just use [sel,]
Same for semicolon.
Also works when reading from [textfile]

-Jonathan

--- On Mon, 8/31/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner  wrote:


From: Hans-Christoph Steiner 
Subject: Re: [PD] Pd META: Author/Help Patch Authors
To: "Jonathan Wilkes" 
Cc: pd-list@iem.at
Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 4:16 PM

Cool, could you post an example of parsing commas in Pd? If
its easy to parse the commas from a 'text' object, then that
would solve the tags debate.

.hc

On Aug 28, 2009, at 1:10 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:


I'm getting close to finishing making all the help

patches in the reference

folder conform to the PDDP template.

I need to add a keyword to pd META for the object

author and the help patch

authors, something like:

AUTHOR Miller Puckette

HELP_PATCH_AUTHOR(S) Dave Sabine, Krzysztof Czaja,

Jonathan Wilkes


(BTW, it's quite easy to parse commas in Pd.)

-Jonathan





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Re: [PD] can't view list of an array

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Hey Ariane,

Its a known bug in that version of Pd-extended.  Pd-vanilla does not  
have it.  Its fixed in Pd-extended 0.42.5, but that build is still  
pretty rough.  You can edit the pd.tk file in your Pd-extended.app,  
its a simple, one line fix.


Basically, right-click on Pd-extended.app, chose Show Package  
Contents.  In there, navigate to:
Contents -> Resources -> bin  and then open "pd.tk" in your favorite  
text editor.  Then on line 3556, you'll see the text on the left of  
the web page below, you want to change it to the text on the right.


http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data/branches/pd-extended/0.42/pd/src/u_main.tk?r1=11861&r2=11860&pathrev=11861

.hc

On Aug 28, 2009, at 9:01 PM, Ariane stolfi wrote:


Hi,
I'm trying to view the list of an array
and I'm gettin this error
_
wrong # args: should be "array_viewlist id"
wrong # args: should be "array_viewlist id"
   while executing
"array_viewlist .gfxstub7e0270 table10 0"
   invoked from within
".gfxstub7e0270.listview invoke"
   ("uplevel" body line 1)
   invoked from within
"uplevel #0 [list $w invoke]"
   (procedure "tk::ButtonUp" line 23)
   invoked from within
"tk::ButtonUp .gfxstub7e0270.listview"
   (command bound to event)
_

I had tried the same in other arrays and always got the same error

I'm using
Pd version 0.41.4-extended
in a intel mac OSX (leopard)

Is there some fix for this?

thanks
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[PD] can't view list of an array

[Ariane stolfi]

Hi,
I'm trying to view the list of an array
and I'm gettin this error
_
wrong # args: should be "array_viewlist id"
wrong # args: should be "array_viewlist id"
while executing
"array_viewlist .gfxstub7e0270 table10 0"
invoked from within
".gfxstub7e0270.listview invoke"
("uplevel" body line 1)
invoked from within
"uplevel #0 [list $w invoke]"
(procedure "tk::ButtonUp" line 23)
invoked from within
"tk::ButtonUp .gfxstub7e0270.listview"
(command bound to event)
_

I had tried the same in other arrays and always got the same error

I'm using
Pd version 0.41.4-extended
in a intel mac OSX (leopard)

Is there some fix for this?

thanks
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Re: [PD] Pd META: Author/Help Patch Authors

[Jonathan Wilkes]

[bang(
|
[list append foo, bar]
|
[$2(
|
[print]

To parse, just use [sel,]
Same for semicolon.
Also works when reading from [textfile]

-Jonathan

--- On Mon, 8/31/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner  wrote:

> From: Hans-Christoph Steiner 
> Subject: Re: [PD] Pd META: Author/Help Patch Authors
> To: "Jonathan Wilkes" 
> Cc: pd-list@iem.at
> Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 4:16 PM
> 
> Cool, could you post an example of parsing commas in Pd? If
> its easy to parse the commas from a 'text' object, then that
> would solve the tags debate.
> 
> .hc
> 
> On Aug 28, 2009, at 1:10 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
> 
> > I'm getting close to finishing making all the help
> patches in the reference
> > folder conform to the PDDP template.
> > 
> > I need to add a keyword to pd META for the object
> author and the help patch
> > authors, something like:
> > 
> > AUTHOR Miller Puckette
> > 
> > HELP_PATCH_AUTHOR(S) Dave Sabine, Krzysztof Czaja,
> Jonathan Wilkes
> > 
> > (BTW, it's quite easy to parse commas in Pd.)
> > 
> > -Jonathan
> > 
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Re: [PD] Pd at a livecoding event on the BBC

[Derek Holzer]

It's been clear for quite some time that we need more natural predators 
in the boring techno ecosystem.


D.

Daniel Wilcox wrote:

"Making boring techno music is really easy with modern tools," he says, 
"but with live coding, boring techno is much harder."



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Re: [PD] pd~ for Max

[Kyle Klipowicz]

Or more likely, a ton of headaches!

~Kyle

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:

>
> Now with Csound for Pd and Max for Live, you could have Csound for Pd for
> Max for Live!
>
> .hc
>
>
> On Aug 27, 2009, at 11:51 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
>
>  Hi Miller,
>>  Will [pd~] ever be available for windows machines?  Or is it just not
>> possible to implement (I remember reading about some technical hurdle
>> but I can't remember what it is at the moment)?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jonathan
>>
>> --- On Fri, 8/28/09, Miller Puckette  wrote:
>>
>>  From: Miller Puckette 
>>> Subject: Re: [PD] pd~ for Max
>>> To: "Max" 
>>> Cc: pd-list@iem.at
>>> Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 5:35 AM
>>> Oops, sorry about that... I
>>> reorganized some stuff and that fell
>>> through a crack.  It's back up on:
>>>
>>> http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html
>>>
>>> cheers
>>> Miller
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 03:21:57AM +0200, Max wrote:
>>>
 Hi List,

 i've been asked by students where to download the

>>> starter drug ?pd~
>>>
 for Max? and i could not find it myself - i thought it

>>> is available?
>>>
 It's neither here:
 http://crca.ucsd.edu/~tapel/software.html
 nor
 http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html
 and here neither:
 http://www.maxobjects.com/?v=authors&initiale=M

 max

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Re: [PD] configuring rme multiface on jaunty

[Yu Lao]

I found that the driver is part of the standard ALSA installation. Did you
check if the card is present? In a terminal window, type

cat /proc/asound/cards

If the card is there, the next command would initialize the card

dmesg | grep -i hdsp

On the multiface, does the red control light stop blinking? If it does, it
means the firmware etc is present and the box is - basically - working.

I noticed that the mixer by default mutes the output, I solve that by just
opening the mixer and close it again. The mixer is an application that I
found as well already installed. I do not know about particularities of
Ubuntu, I switched recently from Fodora to AVLinux (Debian based) and I'm
more than happy.
Another difference, I swapped to a new machine and bought the pci express
card - but I wouldn't think that it makes a difference compared with the
older pcmcia bus.

I hope this helps
Jurgen

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> Hi,
>
> can someone give me some pointers on how to install and configure my hdsp
> card (pcmcia) + multiface on jaunty, or show me a link where is information
> that can be understood? When I put the card in nothing happens.
>
> My specs are:
> - thinkpad laptop 32b
> - jaunty
> - hdsp+multiface
>
> And that's pretty much it.
>
> Thanks,
>
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[PD] configuring rme multiface on jaunty

[João Pais]

Hi,

can someone give me some pointers on how to install and configure my hdsp  
card (pcmcia) + multiface on jaunty, or show me a link where is  
information that can be understood? When I put the card in nothing happens.


My specs are:
- thinkpad laptop 32b
- jaunty
- hdsp+multiface

And that's pretty much it.

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Re: [PD] Pd at a livecoding event on the BBC

[Frank Barknecht]

Hallo,
Mathieu Bouchard hat gesagt: // Mathieu Bouchard wrote:

> On Mon, 31 Aug 2009, Daniel Wilcox wrote:
>> "Making boring techno music is really easy with modern tools," he says, 
>> "but with live coding, boring techno is much harder."
>
> Sounds like the bottom-up counterpart to some slogan I coined a long time 
> ago:
>
> Readymade Solutions Require Readymade Problems;
> For Everything Else There Is PureData.

"Max and Pd allow almost anyone to synthesize uninteresting timbres almost 
instantly."

 Max Mathews in http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/techniques/latest/book-html/node5.html

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Re: [PD] Pd at a livecoding event on the BBC

[Chris McCormick]

On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 10:43:36AM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>
> On Aug 31, 2009, at 9:44 AM, Daniel Wilcox wrote:
>
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2009, at 12:00 PM, pd-list-requ...@iem.at wrote:
>>
>>> Hi *,
>>>
>>> This is pretty funny. Some people from the BBC came along to a live- 
>>> coding
>>> event in London:
>>> 
>>> I was using Pd, which you can see in some of the shots. It was my  
>>> first time
>>> live-coding and it sounded awful like 8-bit alley cats on LSD  
>>> singing Bob
>>> Dylan.
>>
>> Oh man :
>>
>> "Making boring techno music is really easy with modern tools," he  
>> says, "but with live coding, boring techno is much harder."
>>
>> Nice.
>
>
> Indeed.  I think I might have to add that to my sig quotes.  Chris, mind 
> if I do?

Of course not, I'm flattered!

Chris.

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Re: [PD] [pix_video] with v4l

[Mathieu Bouchard]

On Sat, 29 Aug 2009, Miha Tomi wrote:

Is there a way to instruct [pix_video] to use different colorspace (BGR 
instead of RGB)? If not what is the cheapest way to convert from one 
colorspace to the other. How can I get any additional information from 
pix_video (framerate, resolution ...)?


use [pix_colorMatrix] with

0 0 1
0 1 0
1 0 0

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Re: [PD] Pd at a livecoding event on the BBC

[Mathieu Bouchard]

On Tue, 1 Sep 2009, dmotd wrote:


Oh man :
"Making boring techno music is really easy with modern tools," he says,
"but with live coding, boring techno is much harder."

that's superb, it could be the makings of a manifesto! obfuscated techno
competition anyone?


oh man, a giant patch in the shape of a smiley, in which any attempt to 
figure out anything ends up on staring at a strange combination of 
[rzero~] [rpole~] and [vd~], yet the whole patch happens to be sequencing 
and synthesising technotris?


  technotris:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L51E9ZQpU7Q
  smiley:   http://www.tcamb1.com/Smiley.jpg

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Re: [PD] call for translations for new Pd GUI

[András Murányi]

2009/8/28 Jonathan Wilkes 

>
> > Number2 exists because it comes from an external library
> > that was merged into vanilla back then.
> >
> > Number1 still exists because Number2 isn't
> > backwards-compatible with Number1 and so can't actually
> > replace it. Number2 couldn't be made
> > backwards-compatible anymore because it was already used by
> > those who started pd with -lib iemgui.
> >
> > Actually, a special constructor could have been made for
> > that case, similar to how [hradio] and [vradio] also exist
> > as [hdl] and [vdl], but there's also a big mismatch of
> > options between Number1 and Number2, such that it isn't
> > really easy to merge Number1 and Number2 without making a
> > more complicated whole with even more options.
> >
> > Thanks a lot for the explanation!
> > At the end, do we need them both in the Put menu...?
>
> All the native gui objects available in Pd Vanilla are listed in the Put
> menu, so it would seem odd to remove just one of them.  Plus, you can't
> create a number atom by typing a name into an object box.  It's only
> created through the Put menu, or by its shortcut  (well, dynamic
> patching too).  Removing it from the Put menu makes it an obscure object.
>
> You could advocate moving Number2 up in the list and giving it the
>  shortcut, but it currently has some annoying features like:
> * the number turns red when you scroll
> * its too wide (almost twice as wide as number atom at width = 5)
> * label size will change the size of the number
> * its hard to put the output range back to default once you've changed it
>
> Given those drawbacks, I prefer just using "Number" instead of "Number2."


Oooo-kay! From the perspective of a translator, this is kind of embarassing,
from the perspective of the systematic mind ("the Programmer"!) still a
little bit embarassing, but from a personal point a view, just makes me love
her more!! ;o)
Thanks for the details. Would be nice to wikify this kind of wisdom - maybe
our grandsons will do that? ;o)

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Re: [PD] Pd at a livecoding event on the BBC

[Mathieu Bouchard]

On Mon, 31 Aug 2009, Daniel Wilcox wrote:
"Making boring techno music is really easy with modern tools," he says, "but 
with live coding, boring techno is much harder."


Sounds like the bottom-up counterpart to some slogan I coined a long time 
ago:


Readymade Solutions Require Readymade Problems;
For Everything Else There Is PureData.

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Re: [PD] Pd at a livecoding event on the BBC

[dmotd]

Daniel Wilcox wrote:
>
> On Aug 31, 2009, at 12:00 PM, pd-list-requ...@iem.at wrote:
>
>> Hi *,
>>
>> This is pretty funny. Some people from the BBC came along to a live- 
>> coding
>> event in London:
>> 
>> I was using Pd, which you can see in some of the shots. It was my  
>> first time
>> live-coding and it sounded awful like 8-bit alley cats on LSD singing 
>> Bob
>> Dylan.
>
> Oh man :
>
> "Making boring techno music is really easy with modern tools," he says, 
> "but with live coding, boring techno is much harder."
>
> Nice.

that's superb, it could be the makings of a manifesto! obfuscated techno 
competition anyone?

cheers chris ;)

dmotd

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Re: [PD] Pd at a livecoding event on the BBC

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Aug 31, 2009, at 9:44 AM, Daniel Wilcox wrote:



On Aug 31, 2009, at 12:00 PM, pd-list-requ...@iem.at wrote:


Hi *,

This is pretty funny. Some people from the BBC came along to a live- 
coding

event in London:

I was using Pd, which you can see in some of the shots. It was my  
first time
live-coding and it sounded awful like 8-bit alley cats on LSD  
singing Bob

Dylan.


Oh man :

"Making boring techno music is really easy with modern tools," he  
says, "but with live coding, boring techno is much harder."


Nice.



Indeed.  I think I might have to add that to my sig quotes.  Chris,  
mind if I do?


.hc




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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] SmsPlayer (smspd / pysms) demo videos online

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Wow, that's some really nice stuff!  What's that window that has the  
FFT bins in it?


.hc

On Aug 31, 2009, at 9:38 AM, Rich E wrote:


Hi all,

In support of my soon-to-be-finished thesis and the dafx conference  
I will attend next week, I have put some demo videos online of the  
real-time synth I designed using software related to libsms, in Pd  
and python.  You can find the videos here: http://mtg.upf.edu/people/eakin?p=Examples


I haven't had time yet to make sure all the links work, so would  
anyone tell me if anything is broken?  Or, any other comments/ 
suggestions are welcome too.


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Re: [PD] pd~ for Max

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

It probably needs to be compiled for Max5.  Anyone with Max5 want to  
give it a shot?


.hc

On Aug 31, 2009, at 3:43 AM, fred-ordi wrote:

yes, here same with Pd-0.42-5 and Max5 on OSX 10.5.8, not yet  
succeed in:
Max window tells nothing about something wrong ("pd~ version 0.2"  
printed to Max window when instantiated) but the pd~ object in  
pd~.help patcher appears with a dark foreground colorlike if the  
external is wrong...


Cheers,
Fred

Miller Puckette wrote:

Oh... good idea (I have only Max 4; my OS is too old to upgrade to 5)
thanks
M
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 08:32:27PM +0200, Max wrote:

pd~ for max does not even launch Pd here.
DSP is on.
Is there anybody else on the Pd-list who has Max5 installed on OS  
X  who could try this out?


thx, Max

Am 28.08.2009 um 19:54 schrieb Miller Puckette:

I had the same problem for a while... for pd~ to work not only  
do  you have to
start "dsp" in the help window but you also have to have audio  
going  in and

out of Max.  Otherwise Pd start up but does nothing.

cheers
M

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 04:47:11PM +0200, Max wrote:

I'm having trouble getting it to run - there is no INSTALL
instructions, but i guess
pd~.mxo lives in /Applications/Max5/Cycling\ '74/msp-externals/
and pd~.help lives in /Applications/Max5/Cycling\ '74/msp-help/
allthough the other files are called .maxhelp, not .help

i restarted Max and created a pd~ Object, it has no in or  
outlets but

i can open the Help from there, switch Audio on and Select the
Pd-0.42-5.app but nothing happens.

what am i doing wrong?

Am 28.08.2009 um 05:35 schrieb Miller Puckette:


Oops, sorry about that... I reorganized some stuff and that fell
through a crack.  It's back up on:

http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html

cheers
Miller

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 03:21:57AM +0200, Max wrote:

Hi List,

i've been asked by students where to download the starter  
drug ?pd~
for Max? and i could not find it myself - i thought it is   
available?

It's neither here:
http://crca.ucsd.edu/~tapel/software.html
nor
http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html
and here neither:
http://www.maxobjects.com/?v=authors&initiale=M

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Re: [PD] Pd META: Author/Help Patch Authors

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Cool, could you post an example of parsing commas in Pd? If its easy  
to parse the commas from a 'text' object, then that would solve the  
tags debate.


.hc

On Aug 28, 2009, at 1:10 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:

I'm getting close to finishing making all the help patches in the  
reference

folder conform to the PDDP template.

I need to add a keyword to pd META for the object author and the  
help patch

authors, something like:

AUTHOR Miller Puckette

HELP_PATCH_AUTHOR(S) Dave Sabine, Krzysztof Czaja, Jonathan Wilkes

(BTW, it's quite easy to parse commas in Pd.)

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Re: [PD] Pd at a livecoding event on the BBC

[Daniel Wilcox]

On Aug 31, 2009, at 12:00 PM, pd-list-requ...@iem.at wrote:


Hi *,

This is pretty funny. Some people from the BBC came along to a live- 
coding

event in London:

I was using Pd, which you can see in some of the shots. It was my  
first time
live-coding and it sounded awful like 8-bit alley cats on LSD  
singing Bob

Dylan.


Oh man :

"Making boring techno music is really easy with modern tools," he  
says, "but with live coding, boring techno is much harder."


Nice.



Dan Wilcox
danomatika.com
robotcowboy.com



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[PD] [PD-announce] SmsPlayer (smspd / pysms) demo videos online

[Rich E]

Hi all,

In support of my soon-to-be-finished thesis and the dafx conference I will
attend next week, I have put some demo videos online of the real-time synth
I designed using software related to libsms, in Pd and python.  You can find
the videos here: http://mtg.upf.edu/people/eakin?p=Examples

I haven't had time yet to make sure all the links work, so would anyone tell
me if anything is broken?  Or, any other comments/suggestions are welcome
too.

Cheers,
Rich Eakin
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[PD] Pdcon09 edited video

[Jose Luis Santorcuato]

Hi friends... i uploaded a long video of the pdcon09...the vide have the day
and night adventures, performances and humor...
34 minutes of pd con... the size of complete video is 900 mb... help me for
upload totally for your personal edition.

 i send the html code


http://blip.tv/scripts/pokkariPlayer.js?ver=2009070701";>
http://blip.tv/syndication/write_player?skin=js&posts_id=2549637&source=3&autoplay=true&file_type=flv&player_width=&player_height=
">
http://blip.tv/file/get/JoseSantorcuato-PureDataWorldCoventionVideo2009AmateurVideoOfPdconBras180.mov";
onclick="play_blip_movie_2549637(); return false;">http://blip.tv/file/get/JoseSantorcuato-PureDataWorldCoventionVideo2009AmateurVideoOfPdconBras180.mov.jpg";
border="0" title="Click To Play" />
http://blip.tv/file/get/JoseSantorcuato-PureDataWorldCoventionVideo2009AmateurVideoOfPdconBras180.mov";
onclick="play_blip_movie_2549637(); return false;">Click To Play


You can erase the object center

Also you can see the video in my blog:

http://arselectronicachile.blogspot.com



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[PD] Pd at a livecoding event on the BBC

[Chris McCormick]

Hi *,

This is pretty funny. Some people from the BBC came along to a live-coding
event in London:

I was using Pd, which you can see in some of the shots. It was my first time
live-coding and it sounded awful like 8-bit alley cats on LSD singing Bob
Dylan.

Enjoy!

Chris.

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Re: [PD] pd~ for Max

[fred-ordi]

yes, here same with Pd-0.42-5 and Max5 on OSX 10.5.8, not yet succeed in:
Max window tells nothing about something wrong ("pd~ version 0.2" 
printed to Max window when instantiated) but the pd~ object in pd~.help 
patcher appears with a dark foreground colorlike if the external is wrong...


Cheers,
Fred

Miller Puckette wrote:

Oh... good idea (I have only Max 4; my OS is too old to upgrade to 5)

thanks
M

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 08:32:27PM +0200, Max wrote:

pd~ for max does not even launch Pd here.
DSP is on.
Is there anybody else on the Pd-list who has Max5 installed on OS X  
who could try this out?


thx, Max

Am 28.08.2009 um 19:54 schrieb Miller Puckette:

I had the same problem for a while... for pd~ to work not only do  
you have to
start "dsp" in the help window but you also have to have audio going  
in and

out of Max.  Otherwise Pd start up but does nothing.

cheers
M

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 04:47:11PM +0200, Max wrote:

I'm having trouble getting it to run - there is no INSTALL
instructions, but i guess
pd~.mxo lives in /Applications/Max5/Cycling\ '74/msp-externals/
and pd~.help lives in /Applications/Max5/Cycling\ '74/msp-help/
allthough the other files are called .maxhelp, not .help

i restarted Max and created a pd~ Object, it has no in or outlets but
i can open the Help from there, switch Audio on and Select the
Pd-0.42-5.app but nothing happens.

what am i doing wrong?

Am 28.08.2009 um 05:35 schrieb Miller Puckette:


Oops, sorry about that... I reorganized some stuff and that fell
through a crack.  It's back up on:

http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html

cheers
Miller

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 03:21:57AM +0200, Max wrote:

Hi List,

i've been asked by students where to download the starter drug ?pd~
for Max? and i could not find it myself - i thought it is  
available?

It's neither here:
http://crca.ucsd.edu/~tapel/software.html
nor
http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html
and here neither:
http://www.maxobjects.com/?v=authors&initiale=M

max




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[PD] pix_ps3eye object written with flext

[Jean-Yves Gratius]

Hi list
pix_ps3eye is an external (I wrote it using flext) for using Sony Ps3Eye 
camera in pure data - GEM  (windows only), whithout need of direct show 
driver.

Cam specs : 320x240, 120fps /  640x480, 75fps

you can download source and dll here : 
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[PD] [PD-announce] Last Call: PURE LAB Pure Data workshop @ EMITTER19 Berlin 5/6. september 09

[C Limbach]

PURE LAB 

PureData experimental sound processing WORKSHOP by Jay Barros

5th and 6th of september 2009 @ Emitter19  Kiefholzstrasse 19 Berlin
/// start~10am

Pure data is an open source multiplatform graphical oriented programing
language used to create innovative sound and video installations. In
this intensive workshop you will learn how to develop your first patch,
work with HIDS (human interface devices) and how to modulate and push
your sounds to a higher level

more info and registration : emitter19 ät gmail dot com

$$ Price: circa 20€ for the costs 

bring Laptops with an installed pure data version (we can also help you
with that) and Equipment / instruments / toys / anything you want..

see you there...

kris




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[PD] pdcon 09 videos

[Jose Luis Santorcuato]

Hi friends... i uploaded a long video of the pdcon09...the vide have the day
and night adventures, performances and humor...
34 minutes of pd con... the size of complete video is 900 mb... help me for
upload totally for your personal edition.

 i send the html code


http://blip.tv/scripts/pokkariPlayer.js?ver=2009070701";>
http://blip.tv/syndication/write_player?skin=js&posts_id=2549637&source=3&autoplay=true&file_type=flv&player_width=&player_height=";>
http://blip.tv/file/get/JoseSantorcuato-PureDataWorldCoventionVideo2009AmateurVideoOfPdconBras180.mov";
onclick="play_blip_movie_2549637(); return false;">http://blip.tv/file/get/JoseSantorcuato-PureDataWorldCoventionVideo2009AmateurVideoOfPdconBras180.mov.jpg";
border="0" title="Click To Play" />
http://blip.tv/file/get/JoseSantorcuato-PureDataWorldCoventionVideo2009AmateurVideoOfPdconBras180.mov";
onclick="play_blip_movie_2549637(); return false;">Click To Play


You can erase the object center

Also you can see the video in my blog:

http://arselectronicachile.blogspot.com


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http://arselectronicachile.blogspot.com
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