[PD] Osc phase and number of periods for subsonic touch-music

[Daniel K.]

I'm working on re-realizing a piece I wrote for subwoofer that is meant to
be felt by touching the speaker cone instead of hearing it. This is done by
using sine waves from around 15 to 26 Hz at low volume adn utilizing
difference frequencies to get lower frequency pulses. My problem is that the
way I have my synth set up, the osc~ objects end up receiving midi messages
a unpredictable times in the period which is leading to interference and
thus unintended dynamic shifts. Another problem is clicks on note-offs. I
can get around those with [line~] or a low pass filter but it would seem
more elegant if I could solve both problems by generating sine waves with
finite numbers of periods that always started with the same phase. I haven't
been able to figure out to this and I've thrown enough hours at it that I
think it's time to ask for some help. Any suggestions would be much
appreciated.

-Daniel Konar
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Re: [PD] MIDI Out Scaling Issue (controlling DAW tempo w/ PD)

[Aaron L.]

On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Paul Winchester  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I made the following circuit in PD in an attempt to control a DAW's (FL
> Studio's in this case) tempo via recorded clapping or tapping (much thanks
> to Pedro Lopes who helped me in another thread).
>
> Here's a picture of it:
> http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/9851/bpmpd.gif
>
> The only issue I'm having now is scaling the midi data/ doing the right
> math so the tempo I calculate in PD is the tempo that is received by my
> DAW.
>
> I had an 81 bpm song that was consistently being "tapped in" at 88 bpm when
> I clapped along, and I suspect this has something to do with my scale
> divisor being about 8 in my patch.  The DAW I'm working with has a scale of
> about 0-1000 bpm, so I simply divided 1000 by 127 in order to get ~7.87.
> This isn't working/isn't as accurate as it needs to be though, and I'm
> wondering why.
>
> Any suggestions?  Tips?  Better ways of approaching this?
>
> Thanks.
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Just out of curiousity, how long does it take the tempo to "correct" (quotes
are because it sounds like it's not)?

What if you already knew what tempo you were aiming for (e.g. you entered it
in when you created/saved the song) and then you'd clap to set the tempo and
there'd be some math to get the diff of the 2 tempos and determine it that
way?

-Aaron
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[PD] MIDI Out Scaling Issue (controlling DAW tempo w/ PD)

[Paul Winchester]

Hi all,

I made the following circuit in PD in an attempt to control a DAW's (FL
Studio's in this case) tempo via recorded clapping or tapping (much thanks
to Pedro Lopes who helped me in another thread).

Here's a picture of it:
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/9851/bpmpd.gif

The only issue I'm having now is scaling the midi data/ doing the right math
so the tempo I calculate in PD is the tempo that is received by my DAW.

I had an 81 bpm song that was consistently being "tapped in" at 88 bpm when
I clapped along, and I suspect this has something to do with my scale
divisor being about 8 in my patch.  The DAW I'm working with has a scale of
about 0-1000 bpm, so I simply divided 1000 by 127 in order to get ~7.87.
This isn't working/isn't as accurate as it needs to be though, and I'm
wondering why.

Any suggestions?  Tips?  Better ways of approaching this?

Thanks.

2010/12/7 András Murányi 

> Dear List,
>
> i've made some clanup in my .pdsetting and .pdextended files and removed
> the paths and libs not needed for me.
> Now i get segfault when i load my patch.
> Could it because of a missing lib (like i have deleted a line i shouldn't
> have) and if so, how come?
> How can i debug this? With -verbose, i don't get the segfault but the patch
> never loads...
>
> Andras
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Re: [PD] Segfault with less libs

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

That's odd, you'll need to provide more info, like backtrace from the
segfault, which libs, etc.

.hc

On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 01:59 +0100, András Murányi wrote:
> Dear List,
> 
> i've made some clanup in my .pdsetting and .pdextended files and
> removed the paths and libs not needed for me.
> Now i get segfault when i load my patch.
> Could it because of a missing lib (like i have deleted a line i
> shouldn't have) and if so, how come?
> How can i debug this? With -verbose, i don't get the segfault but the
> patch never loads...
> 
> Andras
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Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian

[Pagano, Patrick]

lets make a replacement patch. where shall we begin?

pp

From: pd-list-boun...@iem.at [pd-list-boun...@iem.at] On Behalf Of Derek Holzer 
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Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 4:32 PM
To: pd-list@iem.at
Subject: Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into 
Debian

Motion tracking can be done easily in GEM with a combination of
[pix-background] to create a histrogram showing only changed pixel
values, and [pix_blob] to track the center of gravity of those changed
values.

D.

On 12/7/10 6:43 PM, Jose Luis Santorcuato wrote:
> I don't quite understand why people do motion detection with squares
> like that. I use a generic motion detection that gets me the centre of
> the motion, and then when I rescale the values, it may split the
> possible results into bands or squares because of rounding (if I
> quantise them).
> Hi all!,
> what is the generic motion detector you are using Mathieu? I use pdp...
> Best Regards
> José
> 2010/12/7 Mathieu Bouchard mailto:ma...@artengine.ca>>:
>  > On Tue, 7 Dec 2010, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
>  >
>  >> pdp_mgrid
>  >
>  > I don't quite understand why people do motion detection with squares like
>  > that. I use a generic motion detection that gets me the centre of the
>  > motion, and then when I rescale the values, it may split the possible
>  > results into bands or squares because of rounding (if I quantise them).
>  >
>  > Nevertheless, if I have a picture of size (240 320 3), I can make
> groups of
>  > rows and columns, for example I [#redim (15 16 20 16 3)], which turns a
>  > picture into a 5-dimensional grid, and then if I [#transpose 1 2], I will
>  > have a 5-dimensional grid that is a 2-dimensional grid of 16x16
> icons. After
>  > that, many effects and analyses that GF can do on pictures will also
> work on
>  > such groups of pictures without any change.
>  >
>  > But more simply, if I want an average of each 16x16 icon, I don't
> need to go
>  > 5-dimensional, I can just do [#downscale_by 16 smoothly] and that's all.
>  >
>  >> pdp_cmap
>  >> pdp_ctrack
>  >> pdp_ascii
>  >> are essential
>  >
>  > I'd like to know what it takes for you to call something «essential».
> Do you
>  > mean that there is no other way to do it with Pd, or just no other
> way to do
>  > with with PDP ?
>  >
>  >> pdp_qt will be obsolete when we get either pix_film OR pix_movie or
>  >> whatever to play audio directly from a movie without extra table banging
>  >> [hopefully this exists somewhere]
>  >
>  > There's [#in~], which is rather experimental. It uses [#to~].
>  >
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Re: [PD] if not currently recieving a 1 then send 0

[Ben Carney]

I don't think I am very good at asking pure data related questions.

the 1000 milliseconds is an arbitrary number.

I am just trying to deduce that  a 1 is not being sent or received. for any
amount of time.

so the example I gave was everything that wasn't a 1 in that second would be
spat out as a zero.

is that a bit more clear?

I am doing this as I am receiving data from someone else's processing sketch
that is sending 1s if a certain condition is met. However, In this
processing sketch there are no zeros being sent if this condition is no
longer met, so It is up to me to decipher if whether or not this condition
is true any longer.

It confuses me quite a bit too, which is why i came to the list.


hope I am clear here, and thanks a bunch for taking the time to take a look
at my problem!

On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 9:00 PM, Mathieu Bouchard  wrote:

> On Tue, 7 Dec 2010, Ben Carney wrote:
>
>  lets say I have a metro that sends a bang every one second, for the rest
>> of the 999 miliseconds, could I somehow deduce a zero message?
>> it doesn't need to be that granular(I don't need 999 0s for every 1)
>>
>
> Even though the base unit of [metro]'s time is the millisecond, it doesn't
> mean that a millisecond is somehow any kind of building block of pd's
> concept of time. You can have fractional delays of your choice, within the
> limits of the float32 format and of the manner of writing it (not too many
> decimals...).
>
> Well, actually, [metro] has an artificial lower limit at 1.00, but if
> you imitate [metro] using [delay] connected to itself, you don't have that
> limitation.
>
> In the light of this, the question doesn't make much practical sense. But
> suppose you still want it. You have to put a [delay 1] so that at the same
> time you set the "1", you set a clock that will set the "0" after 1 ms of
> time.
>
> Alternately, you can have a [metro 1] connected to a counter that loops at
> 1000.
>
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Re: [PD] if not currently recieving a 1 then send 0

[Mathieu Bouchard]

On Tue, 7 Dec 2010, Ben Carney wrote:

lets say I have a metro that sends a bang every one second, for the rest 
of the 999 miliseconds, could I somehow deduce a zero message?

it doesn't need to be that granular(I don't need 999 0s for every 1)


Even though the base unit of [metro]'s time is the millisecond, it doesn't 
mean that a millisecond is somehow any kind of building block of pd's 
concept of time. You can have fractional delays of your choice, within the 
limits of the float32 format and of the manner of writing it (not too many 
decimals...).


Well, actually, [metro] has an artificial lower limit at 1.00, but if 
you imitate [metro] using [delay] connected to itself, you don't have that 
limitation.


In the light of this, the question doesn't make much practical sense. But 
suppose you still want it. You have to put a [delay 1] so that at the same 
time you set the "1", you set a clock that will set the "0" after 1 ms of 
time.


Alternately, you can have a [metro 1] connected to a counter that loops 
at 1000.


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[PD] if not currently recieving a 1 then send 0

[Ben Carney]

hey list,

lets say I have a metro that sends a bang every one second, for the rest of
the 999 miliseconds, could I somehow deduce a zero message?

it doesn't need to be that granular(I don't need 999 0s for every 1)


something like

[metro 1000]
|
|
[1 \
|
|
[if not currently a 1 then zero]




the above pseudo patch is just not how pd works, I realize, but is there a
way to do this otherwise?
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[PD] Segfault with less libs

[András Murányi]

Dear List,

i've made some clanup in my .pdsetting and .pdextended files and removed the
paths and libs not needed for me.
Now i get segfault when i load my patch.
Could it because of a missing lib (like i have deleted a line i shouldn't
have) and if so, how come?
How can i debug this? With -verbose, i don't get the segfault but the patch
never loads...

Andras
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Re: [PD] Pd-extended 0.42.5 (stable + nightly) tiny fonts?

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Start here for debugging it:
http://puredata.info/docs/faq/on-gnu-linux-the-fonts-are-strange-and-or-too-big-or-small

.hc

On Tue, 2010-12-07 at 15:22 -0800, B. Bogart wrote:
> Hi Hans and all,
> 
> After reading too many books and not doing much PD, I'm back.
> 
> I'm now running on an ubuntu64 lucid installation, and using the
> corresponding pd-extended package. I also tried yesterdays nightly build.
> 
> Both versions show object and console text in a super small font. It
> looks like 8 or 9 point. I thought it may be the dpi setting (since
> nvidia cards seems to mess with that a bit) but changing the dpi setting
> in xfce font settings appears to make no difference.
> 
> Also the object boxes are bigger than needed for the text size. I've
> attached a screenshot.
> 
> Thanks,
> B. Bogart
> 
> On 10-06-14 06:25 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> > 
> > On Jun 13, 2010, at 6:56 AM, João Pais wrote:
> > 
> >> from testing 5m with windows (in a hurry):
> >>
> >> - path and other menus are now in normal size again.
> >> - properties menu for the guis/gop is still with small font size
> > 
> > Should be fixed.
> > 
> >> - if you have a canvas with dynamic label inside a GOP, the label will
> >> appear in a differente place in the main patch (I have a patch that
> >> does this, but can't put it in now, it's too complicated)
> > 
> > Sounds like this is worth a bug report with an example patch, I don't
> > really understand it from this description.
> > 
> > .hc
> > 
> >>
> >> João
> >>
> >>> Of course we missed somethings, so now we have 0.42.5-rc2!  Fixed
> >>> since 0.42.5-rc1:
> >>>
> >>>  * 64-bit builds on Ubuntu
> >>>  * 64-bit build on Mac OS X 10.6/Snow Leopard, minus Gem, hid, and
> >>> pidip (Carbon)
> >>>  * fixed [plugin~] crashes, now also builds on Mac OS X and Windows
> >>>  * Pd-extended shows in the GNOME menus again
> >>>
> >>> There are of course many bug fixes and additions since 0.41.4, here
> >>> are some highlights:
> >>>
> >>>  * fixing Graph-On-Parent GUI bugs
> >>>  * complete 64-bit support for GNU/Linux
> >>>  * full support for Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard (32-bit)
> >>>  * a brand new Help Browser that shows all installed libraries
> >>>
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> >>> http://puredata.info/dev/NextRelease
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: [PD] motion tracking in GEM (WAS) new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Also check in Gem examples, Help -> Browser ->

Gem -> examples -> 04.video -> 06.frame_diff_tracking and
07.bg_subtract_tracking, 

Manuals -> 2.Image -> 17.tracking

.hc

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On Tue, 07 Dec 2010 23:34 +0200, "Derek Holzer"  wrote:
> See attached path by Ben Bogart.
> 
> D.
> 
> On 12/7/10 11:32 PM, Derek Holzer wrote:
> > Motion tracking can be done easily in GEM with a combination of
> > [pix-background] to create a histrogram showing only changed pixel
> > values, and [pix_blob] to track the center of gravity of those changed
> > values.
> 
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[PD] motion tracking in GEM (WAS) new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian

[Derek Holzer]

See attached path by Ben Bogart.

D.

On 12/7/10 11:32 PM, Derek Holzer wrote:

Motion tracking can be done easily in GEM with a combination of
[pix-background] to create a histrogram showing only changed pixel
values, and [pix_blob] to track the center of gravity of those changed
values.


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\, place a camera on a static scene like a blank wall and hit 'reset'.
then set the range control to cover any variance in the background.
when a new object enters the scene it will be the only thing draw against
a black background. use pix_chroma_key or pix_compare to add in images
in place of the black.;
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#X text 610 392 Inlet 2: float: range ( ==   );
#X text 609 341 Inlet 2: list: range \; in RGBA mode this is <+-red>
<+-green> <+-blue> \; in YUV-mode this is <+-luma> <+-Cb> <+-Cr> \;
in Gray-mode only the first value is important <+-gray>;
#X text 612 211 Description: separate an object from background;
#X text 215 80 motion tracking;
#X text 216 88 ---;
#X text 34 167 ;
#X text 440 171 threshold;
#X text 605 446 [pix_blob] will calculate the "center-of-gravity" of
a certain (combination of) channel(s).;
#X text 604 434 --;
#X text 607 476 You can choose the combination of channels used for
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Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian

[Derek Holzer]

Motion tracking can be done easily in GEM with a combination of 
[pix-background] to create a histrogram showing only changed pixel 
values, and [pix_blob] to track the center of gravity of those changed 
values.


D.

On 12/7/10 6:43 PM, Jose Luis Santorcuato wrote:

I don't quite understand why people do motion detection with squares
like that. I use a generic motion detection that gets me the centre of
the motion, and then when I rescale the values, it may split the
possible results into bands or squares because of rounding (if I
quantise them).
Hi all!,
what is the generic motion detector you are using Mathieu? I use pdp...
Best Regards
José
2010/12/7 Mathieu Bouchard mailto:ma...@artengine.ca>>:
 > On Tue, 7 Dec 2010, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
 >
 >> pdp_mgrid
 >
 > I don't quite understand why people do motion detection with squares like
 > that. I use a generic motion detection that gets me the centre of the
 > motion, and then when I rescale the values, it may split the possible
 > results into bands or squares because of rounding (if I quantise them).
 >
 > Nevertheless, if I have a picture of size (240 320 3), I can make
groups of
 > rows and columns, for example I [#redim (15 16 20 16 3)], which turns a
 > picture into a 5-dimensional grid, and then if I [#transpose 1 2], I will
 > have a 5-dimensional grid that is a 2-dimensional grid of 16x16
icons. After
 > that, many effects and analyses that GF can do on pictures will also
work on
 > such groups of pictures without any change.
 >
 > But more simply, if I want an average of each 16x16 icon, I don't
need to go
 > 5-dimensional, I can just do [#downscale_by 16 smoothly] and that's all.
 >
 >> pdp_cmap
 >> pdp_ctrack
 >> pdp_ascii
 >> are essential
 >
 > I'd like to know what it takes for you to call something «essential».
Do you
 > mean that there is no other way to do it with Pd, or just no other
way to do
 > with with PDP ?
 >
 >> pdp_qt will be obsolete when we get either pix_film OR pix_movie or
 >> whatever to play audio directly from a movie without extra table banging
 >> [hopefully this exists somewhere]
 >
 > There's [#in~], which is rather experimental. It uses [#to~].
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Re: [PD] gEM scREEN Question

[Derek Holzer]

Use the "offset" message to send the gemwin to the second screen. You 
just have to know where the second screen is in relation to the first 
(to the right, above, below, etc) and offset the dimensions of the first 
screen.


D.

On 12/7/10 10:33 PM, Jose Luis Santorcuato wrote:

Hi list, I am more active than usual, a question: when we use the dimen
message can determine the dimensions of our GEM screen, when using
border 0 is possible to eliminate the edge or tab GEM, but we can not
move that window, for example, we cant move to a projector ... it is
possible?


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[PD] gEM scREEN Question

[Jose Luis Santorcuato]

Hi list, I am more active than usual, a question: when we use the dimen
message can determine the dimensions of our GEM screen, when using border 0
is possible to eliminate the edge or tab GEM, but we can not move that
window, for example, we cant move to a projector ... it is possible?


Best regards


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Re: [PD] Fwd: Fullscreen plugin

[András Murányi]

On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Lorenzo Sutton  wrote:

> András Murányi wrote:
>
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: Santa Claus mailto:sa...@santaclaus.com>>
>> Date: 2010/12/6
>> Subject: Fullscreen plugin
>> To: muran...@gmail.com 
>>
>> here is a little Pd 0.43 plugin that makes your patches go fullscreen with
>> the  button.
>> hope you'll like it :)
>>
> Very nice idea (couldn't get it to work because Pd seems to use tcl 8.4
> even though I have 8.5 installed). Good for focusing on both patching and
> "performance",
>
>
Did you try 'sudo update-alternatives --config wish'?

Andras
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Re: [PD] [OT] join my at LinkedIn

[David]

They were fake, they were directed towards some other web site. I
didn't keep the email so I can't remember where, but they weren't
goingto Linkedin. I didn't click on them, I just hovered the mouse
over the link to see where it went, so I don't know what would happen
if you clicked on one of them. But the email looked legitimate,
someone less paranoid than myself could easily have clicked on it. I
happen to have an account on Linkedin, but I didn't recognize the name
in the email so I was a little suspicious.

On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Mathieu Bouchard  wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Dec 2010, David wrote:
>
>> Like I said, Linkedin has been the victim of hacker attacks recently.
>> I received a bogus email supposedly from Linkedin, asking me to click
>> on some link in the email. I forwarded it to the admin at Linkedin,
>> and he said it wasn't from Linkedln.
>
> But were the links in the bogus email all going to linkedin.com, or were
> there any «fake» links ?
>
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Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian

[Jose Luis Santorcuato]

I don't quite understand why people do motion detection with squares like
that. I use a generic motion detection that gets me the centre of the
motion, and then when I rescale the values, it may split the possible
results into bands or squares because of rounding (if I quantise them).

Hi all!,

what is the generic motion detector you are using Mathieu? I use pdp...

Best Regards

José

2010/12/7 Mathieu Bouchard :
> On Tue, 7 Dec 2010, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
>
>> pdp_mgrid
>
> I don't quite understand why people do motion detection with squares like
> that. I use a generic motion detection that gets me the centre of the
> motion, and then when I rescale the values, it may split the possible
> results into bands or squares because of rounding (if I quantise them).
>
> Nevertheless, if I have a picture of size (240 320 3), I can make groups
of
> rows and columns, for example I [#redim (15 16 20 16 3)], which turns a
> picture into a 5-dimensional grid, and then if I [#transpose 1 2], I will
> have a 5-dimensional grid that is a 2-dimensional grid of 16x16 icons.
After
> that, many effects and analyses that GF can do on pictures will also work
on
> such groups of pictures without any change.
>
> But more simply, if I want an average of each 16x16 icon, I don't need to
go
> 5-dimensional, I can just do [#downscale_by 16 smoothly] and that's all.
>
>> pdp_cmap
>> pdp_ctrack
>> pdp_ascii
>> are essential
>
> I'd like to know what it takes for you to call something «essential». Do
you
> mean that there is no other way to do it with Pd, or just no other way to
do
> with with PDP ?
>
>> pdp_qt will be obsolete when we get either pix_film OR pix_movie or
>> whatever to play audio directly from a movie without extra table banging
>> [hopefully this exists somewhere]
>
> There's [#in~], which is rather experimental. It uses [#to~].
>
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Re: [PD] How to avoid "choppy" midi outputs sounds using multi-user DIY music controllers ? (newbie question)

[Robb Mitchell]

Thanks very much Lorenzo, 


This sounds good, but I am not sure how to assign a midi input to an input 
which 
is not a midi instrument. 

Apologies for not being clear.  My musical controllers are not really 
instruments by themselves - they are only simple movement sensors. I have PD 
receiving bytes from the sensors over wireless via a single comport object.  

But can PD be "cheated" to think that a message which is not a midi input, is a 
midi input?  (and if so how? I see only outlets on the Midi-in object... )

cheers,

Robb



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From: Lorenzo Sutton 
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Sent: Tue, 7 December, 2010 16:27:56
Subject: Re: [PD] How to avoid "choppy" midi outputs sounds using multi-user 
DIY 
music controllers ? (newbie question)

Hi,

Robb Mitchell wrote:
> Hi
>
> I am trying to make a musical instrument for two or three people to play at 
>once
> (fuller details below).  Each person will have a controller, and I am 
>outputting
> to a software synthesizier.
> It works fine (some very fun responses!) with one controller, but input from 
>the
> second sensor cuts short the notes played by the first (and vice versa).
> Is there some way to make a MIDI note play for its full duration regardless or
> whether another "overlapping" note is being played ?
> (and if not, other suggested workarounds most welcome)
> I thought maybe Noteout channel numbers was the way, but I maybe
> misunderstanding how these work...
Indeed you'de probaly need to go for 1 midi channel per instrument (midi 
input).
Additionally you need a "polyphony" of at least 3 notes in this case, 
that is the synthesiser must be able to output at least 3 notes 
all-together.

Hope this helps.
Lorenzo
> Many thanks
>
> Robb
>
>
>
>
> Fuller Details:
>
> I am working towards a remake and electronic update of an earlier, fairly
> popular "dance floor" sculpture:
> http://www.chateau.eclipse.co.uk/robb/socialwhirl.htm
> but hoping to transform people's movements on the rotating discs into sound
> (though not expecting to wire up as many as 28 rotating discs for some time!
> Two or three is enough for now)
>
> So the basic set up is:
> Gyroscope sensor in each disc/controller
>> Arduino
>> xbee
>> serial read in via a receiving Arduino (using Comport)
>> Pure Data  (happy to share my patch if you like)>  FM8 (currently just able 
to
>> use the Demo mode, so very open to alternative synthesiser suggestions!)
>
>
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Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian

[Mathieu Bouchard]

On Tue, 7 Dec 2010, Pagano, Patrick wrote:


pdp_mgrid


I don't quite understand why people do motion detection with squares like 
that. I use a generic motion detection that gets me the centre of the 
motion, and then when I rescale the values, it may split the possible 
results into bands or squares because of rounding (if I quantise them).


Nevertheless, if I have a picture of size (240 320 3), I can make groups 
of rows and columns, for example I [#redim (15 16 20 16 3)], which turns a 
picture into a 5-dimensional grid, and then if I [#transpose 1 2], I will 
have a 5-dimensional grid that is a 2-dimensional grid of 16x16 icons. 
After that, many effects and analyses that GF can do on pictures will also 
work on such groups of pictures without any change.


But more simply, if I want an average of each 16x16 icon, I don't need to 
go 5-dimensional, I can just do [#downscale_by 16 smoothly] and that's 
all.



pdp_cmap
pdp_ctrack
pdp_ascii
are essential


I'd like to know what it takes for you to call something «essential». Do 
you mean that there is no other way to do it with Pd, or just no other way 
to do with with PDP ?


pdp_qt will be obsolete when we get either pix_film OR pix_movie or 
whatever to play audio directly from a movie without extra table banging 
[hopefully this exists somewhere]


There's [#in~], which is rather experimental. It uses [#to~].

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Re: [PD] How to avoid "choppy" midi outputs sounds using multi-user DIY music controllers ? (newbie question)

[Lorenzo Sutton]

Hi,

Robb Mitchell wrote:

Hi

I am trying to make a musical instrument for two or three people to play at once
(fuller details below).  Each person will have a controller, and I am outputting
to a software synthesizier.
It works fine (some very fun responses!) with one controller, but input from the
second sensor cuts short the notes played by the first (and vice versa).
Is there some way to make a MIDI note play for its full duration regardless or
whether another "overlapping" note is being played ?
(and if not, other suggested workarounds most welcome)
I thought maybe Noteout channel numbers was the way, but I maybe
misunderstanding how these work...
Indeed you'de probaly need to go for 1 midi channel per instrument (midi 
input).
Additionally you need a "polyphony" of at least 3 notes in this case, 
that is the synthesiser must be able to output at least 3 notes 
all-together.


Hope this helps.
Lorenzo

Many thanks

Robb




Fuller Details:

I am working towards a remake and electronic update of an earlier, fairly
popular "dance floor" sculpture:
http://www.chateau.eclipse.co.uk/robb/socialwhirl.htm
but hoping to transform people's movements on the rotating discs into sound
(though not expecting to wire up as many as 28 rotating discs for some time!
Two or three is enough for now)

So the basic set up is:
Gyroscope sensor in each disc/controller

Arduino
xbee
serial read in via a receiving Arduino (using Comport)
Pure Data  (happy to share my patch if you like)>  FM8 (currently just able to
use the Demo mode, so very open to alternative synthesiser suggestions!)




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Re: [PD] pix_film crash with .avi files

[F. Medeiros]

On Tue, 2010-12-07 at 10:49 +0100, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
> 
> i don't know which decoding library your build of Gem uses, but chances
> are that you have either lqt and/or gmerlin.
> you can see which decoding libs you have when you create the first
> [pix_film] object. you should get something like:
> 
> pix_film:: quicktime support
> pix_film:: libmpeg3 support
> pix_film:: libaviplay support
> 
> on your pd-console.
> ...

I also don't know, I use pdextended from the Nightly Auto-Builds

when I create the first pix_film I get:

pix_film:: quicktime support
pix_film:: libmpeg3 support


> if you have "quicktime support" (meaning "lqt"), you should try to play
> the video with "lqtplay" (which is part of quicktime-x11utils on debian).
> if this crashes as well, your libquicktime is broken (read: it's nothing
> Gem can do anything about)
> 

I think you are right, lqtplay crashes with the same error, I wonder if
I can fix this.


On Tue, 2010-12-07 at 10:50 +0100, tim vets wrote: 
> ...
> 
> Here's what I do to any video I want to use in pd:
> 
> 
> mencoder $1 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mjpeg:vpass=1 -oac pcm -o
> $1_pd.avi
> ffmpeg -i $1_pd.avi -ar 44100 $1_pd.wav
> 
> the second line extracts the audio into a separate wav file.
> has always worked for me so far...

This works very good. thank you!

Looks like I will have to convert all my videos now.

Thank you all for the help.

Have a nice day.




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[PD] How to avoid "choppy" midi outputs sounds using multi-user DIY music controllers ? (newbie question)

[Robb Mitchell]

Hi

I am trying to make a musical instrument for two or three people to play at 
once 
(fuller details below).  Each person will have a controller, and I am 
outputting 
to a software synthesizier. 
It works fine (some very fun responses!) with one controller, but input from 
the 
second sensor cuts short the notes played by the first (and vice versa). 
Is there some way to make a MIDI note play for its full duration regardless or 
whether another "overlapping" note is being played ? 
(and if not, other suggested workarounds most welcome)
I thought maybe Noteout channel numbers was the way, but I maybe 
misunderstanding how these work...

Many thanks

Robb




Fuller Details:

I am working towards a remake and electronic update of an earlier, fairly 
popular "dance floor" sculpture:
http://www.chateau.eclipse.co.uk/robb/socialwhirl.htm
but hoping to transform people's movements on the rotating discs into sound
(though not expecting to wire up as many as 28 rotating discs for some time!  
Two or three is enough for now)

So the basic set up is: 
Gyroscope sensor in each disc/controller
> Arduino 
> xbee 
> serial read in via a receiving Arduino (using Comport) 
> Pure Data  (happy to share my patch if you like) > FM8 (currently just able 
> to 
>use the Demo mode, so very open to alternative synthesiser suggestions!) 


  

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Re: [PD] [OT] join my at LinkedIn

[Mathieu Bouchard]

On Tue, 7 Dec 2010, David wrote:


Like I said, Linkedin has been the victim of hacker attacks recently.
I received a bogus email supposedly from Linkedin, asking me to click
on some link in the email. I forwarded it to the admin at Linkedin,
and he said it wasn't from Linkedln.


But were the links in the bogus email all going to linkedin.com, or were 
there any «fake» links ?


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Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian

[Pagano, Patrick]

yes, all of the effectTV filters
if we can get pix_effectTV half of it would be obsolete

but also
pdp_mgrid
pdp_cmap
pdp_ctrack
pdp_ascii
are essential

pdp_qt will be obsolete when we get either pix_film OR pix_movie or whatever to 
play audio directly from a movie without extra table banging [hopefully this 
exists somewhere]
pdp_frei0r is ESSENTIAL now as is pdp_freeframe

also from unauthorized, playlist~ a graphical playlist external and an updated 
version of cooled~




From: pd-list-boun...@iem.at [pd-list-boun...@iem.at] On Behalf Of Derek Holzer 
[de...@umatic.nl]
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 5:36 AM
To: pd-list@iem.at
Subject: Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into 
Debian

What is there exactly in PiDiP that people need so badly? The (IMHO
ugly) video filters from EffecTV? Or the streaming part?

In either case, the solution seems simple to me. PDP itself isn't really
being maintained AFAIK, and isn't completely cross-platform anyways, so
why not just implement what is needed from PiDiP in GEM?

If there is a (willfully) stubborn stone in the river, just fork and
move around it! And one less reason to put up with a certain person's
temper-tantrums later...

D.

On 12/7/10 1:56 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:

> Currently pidip is in a state where the two licenses conflict
> irreconcilably. So if you use pidip under Yves' license, you could be
> sued by the EffecTV copyright holder. Or if you use it under the GPL
> from EffecTV, you could be sued by the PiDiP copyright holder.

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Re: [PD] py/pyext: building on Ubuntu Lucid with Python 2.6 (and python in pd)

[Husk 00]

On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Lorenzo Sutton  wrote:
> Hi Husk,
>
> Husk 00 wrote:
>>
>> Hey Lorenzo,
>> I know I'm not answering exactly to your question but from Thomas
>> grill's site you can find a py.pd_linux binary build with python 2.6:
>> http://g.org/ext/beta/linux/pd/py.pd_linux
>
> Thanks for the suggestion... I had downloaded that very file before trying
> to compile, but I think it's using Python 2.5 because in Pd it gives an
> error:
>
> libpython2.5.so.1.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or
> directory

Are you sure is this the file you downloaded? It was upgraded some
months ago and I tested just now and it works with python 2.6
(py.pd_linux revision 265: 79063, apr 16 2010) I use it in all my
project and I'm also using a lucid machine.
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Re: [PD] [OT] join my at LinkedIn

[David]

It might be worth talking to them, though. Maybe they can block any
emails going to the list from their end. Nobody should be sending
invitations to a mailing list, anyway.

David.

On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 7:51 AM, David  wrote:
> Like I said, Linkedin has been the victim of hacker attacks recently.
> I received a bogus email supposedly from Linkedin, asking me to click
> on some link in the email. I forwarded it to the admin at Linkedin,
> and he said it wasn't from Linkedln. So I wouldn't blame it on them if
> some of their customers are careless. It probably has nothing to do
> with them.
>
> David.
>
> On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 7:23 AM, Jose Luis Santorcuato
>  wrote:
>> Thanks Mathieu, it happens that linkedin invite your mail contacts,
>> not segmented by digital behavior, simply import the contacts from
>> gmail, as in the tradigital marketing and becomes invasive, especially
>> if you use it for the first time and do not understand how it works.
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>> José
>>
>> 2010/12/7 Mathieu Bouchard :
>>> On Tue, 7 Dec 2010, Jose Luis Santorcuato wrote:
>>>
 Yes,  the system send a non custom inviteautomatically send... clearly
 invasive... excuse me friends...we are friends beyond linkedin.
>>>
>>> How automatic was it ? Can you describe how it happened ? LinkedIn is the
>>> only «social network» site I'm registered on, so naturally I'd like to know
>>> what kind of people they are. Plus, it's been happening several times
>>> recently on pd-list, so, it's of interest to pd-list, I suppose.
>>>
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Re: [PD] [OT] join my at LinkedIn

[David]

Like I said, Linkedin has been the victim of hacker attacks recently.
I received a bogus email supposedly from Linkedin, asking me to click
on some link in the email. I forwarded it to the admin at Linkedin,
and he said it wasn't from Linkedln. So I wouldn't blame it on them if
some of their customers are careless. It probably has nothing to do
with them.

David.

On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 7:23 AM, Jose Luis Santorcuato
 wrote:
> Thanks Mathieu, it happens that linkedin invite your mail contacts,
> not segmented by digital behavior, simply import the contacts from
> gmail, as in the tradigital marketing and becomes invasive, especially
> if you use it for the first time and do not understand how it works.
>
> Best regards
>
> José
>
> 2010/12/7 Mathieu Bouchard :
>> On Tue, 7 Dec 2010, Jose Luis Santorcuato wrote:
>>
>>> Yes,  the system send a non custom inviteautomatically send... clearly
>>> invasive... excuse me friends...we are friends beyond linkedin.
>>
>> How automatic was it ? Can you describe how it happened ? LinkedIn is the
>> only «social network» site I'm registered on, so naturally I'd like to know
>> what kind of people they are. Plus, it's been happening several times
>> recently on pd-list, so, it's of interest to pd-list, I suppose.
>>
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Re: [PD] [OT] join my at LinkedIn

[Jose Luis Santorcuato]

Thanks Mathieu, it happens that linkedin invite your mail contacts,
not segmented by digital behavior, simply import the contacts from
gmail, as in the tradigital marketing and becomes invasive, especially
if you use it for the first time and do not understand how it works.

Best regards

José

2010/12/7 Mathieu Bouchard :
> On Tue, 7 Dec 2010, Jose Luis Santorcuato wrote:
>
>> Yes,  the system send a non custom inviteautomatically send... clearly
>> invasive... excuse me friends...we are friends beyond linkedin.
>
> How automatic was it ? Can you describe how it happened ? LinkedIn is the
> only «social network» site I'm registered on, so naturally I'd like to know
> what kind of people they are. Plus, it's been happening several times
> recently on pd-list, so, it's of interest to pd-list, I suppose.
>
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Re: [PD] [OT] join my at LinkedIn

[Mathieu Bouchard]

On Tue, 7 Dec 2010, Jose Luis Santorcuato wrote:


Yes,  the system send a non custom inviteautomatically send... clearly
invasive... excuse me friends...we are friends beyond linkedin.


How automatic was it ? Can you describe how it happened ? LinkedIn is the 
only «social network» site I'm registered on, so naturally I'd like to 
know what kind of people they are. Plus, it's been happening several times 
recently on pd-list, so, it's of interest to pd-list, I suppose.


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Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian

[Jose Luis Santorcuato]

Hi list!, PiDiP In my humble opinion is a great tool for video work, a
complement to or Gem or Gridflow and actually doing would be a shame
to stay out of pd extended.

I like the possibilities of interaction and partnership with OpenCV
... is a penalty if it is not in pd, but is also addressing the
problem of licenses.

Best regards

José


2010/12/7 Derek Holzer :
> What is there exactly in PiDiP that people need so badly? The (IMHO ugly)
> video filters from EffecTV? Or the streaming part?
>
> In either case, the solution seems simple to me. PDP itself isn't really
> being maintained AFAIK, and isn't completely cross-platform anyways, so why
> not just implement what is needed from PiDiP in GEM?
>
> If there is a (willfully) stubborn stone in the river, just fork and move
> around it! And one less reason to put up with a certain person's
> temper-tantrums later...
>
> D.
>
> On 12/7/10 1:56 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>
>> Currently pidip is in a state where the two licenses conflict
>> irreconcilably. So if you use pidip under Yves' license, you could be
>> sued by the EffecTV copyright holder. Or if you use it under the GPL
>> from EffecTV, you could be sued by the PiDiP copyright holder.
>
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Re: [PD] [OT] join my at LinkedIn

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Yes,  the system send a non custom inviteautomatically send... clearly
invasive... excuse me friends...we are friends beyond linkedin.

Best regards

José

2010/11/30 David :
> Recently, LinkedIn has been targeted by spammers or phishers. I've
> received emails with hot links to a web site purportedly run by
> LinkedIn, but when I forwarded the email to the LinkedIn
> administrators, they told me it was a fake. So I wouldn't assume that
> these invitations are really coming from the people they are
> supposedly coming from.
>
> If possible, these invitations should just be filtered out
> automatically, like any other junk mail or spam. If they are
> legitimate, they should be sent to the invitee, not the list.
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Re: [PD] py/pyext: building on Ubuntu Lucid with Python 2.6 (and python in pd)

[Lorenzo Sutton]

IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:

On 2010-12-07 11:14, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:

Has anyone managed to do it successfully?

I managed to build flext, but when I call the ../flext/build.sh script
from within the pyext source dir it fails with the first error being to
the fact m_pd.h is not found.
I have pd-extended installed and thus m_pd.h lives in
/usr/include/pdextended/ and this seems some trivial path problem, but I


try something like adding

INCPATH+=/usr/include/pdextended

to your config.txt
I tried, and I actually also spotted in file called 
buildsys/config-lnx-pd-gcc.txt under the flext directory


PDPATH=/usr/local/src/pd


which I changed to


PDPATH=/usr/include/pdextended


the build still complains about m_pd.h missing. :/

Lorenzo


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Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian

[Derek Holzer]

What is there exactly in PiDiP that people need so badly? The (IMHO 
ugly) video filters from EffecTV? Or the streaming part?


In either case, the solution seems simple to me. PDP itself isn't really 
being maintained AFAIK, and isn't completely cross-platform anyways, so 
why not just implement what is needed from PiDiP in GEM?


If there is a (willfully) stubborn stone in the river, just fork and 
move around it! And one less reason to put up with a certain person's 
temper-tantrums later...


D.

On 12/7/10 1:56 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:


Currently pidip is in a state where the two licenses conflict
irreconcilably. So if you use pidip under Yves' license, you could be
sued by the EffecTV copyright holder. Or if you use it under the GPL
from EffecTV, you could be sued by the PiDiP copyright holder.


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Re: [PD] py/pyext: building on Ubuntu Lucid with Python 2.6 (and python in pd)

[Husk 00]

Hey Lorenzo,
I know I'm not answering exactly to your question but from Thomas
grill's site you can find a py.pd_linux binary build with python 2.6:
http://g.org/ext/beta/linux/pd/py.pd_linux

I hope it helps you
husk

On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Lorenzo Sutton  wrote:
> Has anyone managed to do it successfully?
>
> I managed to build flext, but when I call the ../flext/build.sh script from
> within the pyext source dir it fails with the first error being to the fact
> m_pd.h is not found.
> I have pd-extended installed and thus m_pd.h lives in
> /usr/include/pdextended/ and this seems some trivial path problem, but I
> really can't seem to find a simple way to add that dir to the build process
> (build.sh seems to call another script but I can't figure out how everything
> works out).
>
> Somewhat related to this, would it be possible to make py/pyext somewhat
> more "python-minor-version-agnostic"? Sorry if the question seems naive, I
> guess the build process actually links to the exact Python in the user's
> system.
> In general IMHO it would *really* be nice to be able to have an easy way to
> hack up externals in python (I could do with even message-only ones) 'by
> default' with a Pd-extended.
>
> Thanks,
> Lorenzo.
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Re: [PD] py/pyext: building on Ubuntu Lucid with Python 2.6 (and python in pd)

[IOhannes m zmoelnig]

On 2010-12-07 11:14, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
> Has anyone managed to do it successfully?
> 
> I managed to build flext, but when I call the ../flext/build.sh script
> from within the pyext source dir it fails with the first error being to
> the fact m_pd.h is not found.
> I have pd-extended installed and thus m_pd.h lives in
> /usr/include/pdextended/ and this seems some trivial path problem, but I


try something like adding

INCPATH+=/usr/include/pdextended

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[PD] py/pyext: building on Ubuntu Lucid with Python 2.6 (and python in pd)

[Lorenzo Sutton]

Has anyone managed to do it successfully?

I managed to build flext, but when I call the ../flext/build.sh script 
from within the pyext source dir it fails with the first error being to 
the fact m_pd.h is not found.
I have pd-extended installed and thus m_pd.h lives in 
/usr/include/pdextended/ and this seems some trivial path problem, but I 
really can't seem to find a simple way to add that dir to the build 
process (build.sh seems to call another script but I can't figure out 
how everything works out).


Somewhat related to this, would it be possible to make py/pyext somewhat 
more "python-minor-version-agnostic"? Sorry if the question seems naive, 
I guess the build process actually links to the exact Python in the 
user's system.
In general IMHO it would *really* be nice to be able to have an easy way 
to hack up externals in python (I could do with even message-only ones) 
'by default' with a Pd-extended.


Thanks,
Lorenzo.

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Re: [PD] Pyode external

[Frank Barknecht]

Hi Ed,

I've put the old package back where it belongs: 
http://footils.org/pkg/pyode-montreal.tgz

Ciao
-- 
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On Mon, Dec 06, 2010 at 01:04:21PM +, Ed Kelly wrote:
> I've been looking for the pyode external you showed in Montreal, and can't 
> find 
> it. Do you think you could post a tarball?
> 
> Ed
> 
>  Metastudio 4 for Pure Data - coming soon!
> Metastudio 3 still available at http://sharktracks.co.uk/puredata
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: [PD] Fwd: Fullscreen plugin

[Lorenzo Sutton]

András Murányi wrote:

-- Forwarded message --
From: Santa Claus mailto:sa...@santaclaus.com>>
Date: 2010/12/6
Subject: Fullscreen plugin
To: muran...@gmail.com 

here is a little Pd 0.43 plugin that makes your patches go fullscreen 
with the  button.

hope you'll like it :)
Very nice idea (couldn't get it to work because Pd seems to use tcl 8.4 
even though I have 8.5 installed). Good for focusing on both patching 
and "performance",


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Re: [PD] pix_film crash with .avi files

[tim vets]

Hi,

Here's what I do to any video I want to use in pd:

mencoder $1 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mjpeg:vpass=1 -oac pcm -o $1_pd.avi
ffmpeg -i $1_pd.avi -ar 44100 $1_pd.wav

the second line extracts the audio into a separate wav file.
has always worked for me so far...

gr,
Tim


2010/12/7 F. Medeiros 

> Actually it is not just .avi files that make pd crash, maybe it is the
> mjpeg codec?
>
> This is an example of a file that crashes pd
>
> http://www.archive.org/download/ANALOG_RECYCLING_VJ_LOOPS/AR_ARROW_3.mov
>
> I just tried on Pd version 0.42-5extended-20101206
>
> Anny ideas?
>
> I miss playing videos with pd.
>
>
> On Fri, 2010-12-03 at 14:08 +, F. Medeiros wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > pix_film crashes pdextended every time I try to open an .avi file , I
> > think with whichever coded.
> >
> > It works on .mpeg files tho.
> >
> > When it crashes I get this:
> >
> > swScaler: Exactly one scaler algorithm must be chosen
> > Segmentation fault
> >
> > This is on Ubuntu Lucid and maverick with Pd version 0.42.5-extended-rc6
> > I got the deb from the Nightly Auto-Builds.
> >
> > I am sure this was working before but I don't know what I did, if it was
> > with a different version of pd or some coded I installed.
> >
> > Can someone help please?
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: [PD] pix_film crash with .avi files

[IOhannes m zmoelnig]

On 2010-12-07 10:28, F. Medeiros wrote:
> Actually it is not just .avi files that make pd crash, maybe it is the
> mjpeg codec?
> 
> This is an example of a file that crashes pd
> 
> http://www.archive.org/download/ANALOG_RECYCLING_VJ_LOOPS/AR_ARROW_3.mov
> 
> I just tried on Pd version 0.42-5extended-20101206
> 
> Anny ideas?
> 
> I miss playing videos with pd.
> 

works fine here.

i don't know which decoding library your build of Gem uses, but chances
are that you have either lqt and/or gmerlin.
you can see which decoding libs you have when you create the first
[pix_film] object. you should get something like:

pix_film:: quicktime support
pix_film:: libmpeg3 support
pix_film:: libaviplay support

on your pd-console.

if you have "quicktime support" (meaning "lqt"), you should try to play
the video with "lqtplay" (which is part of quicktime-x11utils on debian).
if this crashes as well, your libquicktime is broken (read: it's nothing
Gem can do anything about)

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Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian

[Jonathan Wilkes]

--- On Tue, 12/7/10, Andy Farnell  wrote:

> From: Andy Farnell 
> Subject: Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into 
> Debian
> To: pd-list@iem.at
> Date: Tuesday, December 7, 2010, 9:50 AM
> You could be forgiven. The effort to
> forge this confusion is 
> one of the defining propaganda campaigns of the 21st
> Century.
> There are lawyers out there who don't know the difference.

The difference between what and what?

-Jonathan

> 
> On Mon, 6 Dec 2010 20:54:19 -0500 (EST)
> Mathieu Bouchard 
> wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 6 Dec 2010, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> > 
> > > Its not "illegal" because its a not about laws,
> but rather copyright 
> > > licenses, which is more like contracts, i.e.
> agreements between private 
> > > parties.
> > 
> > Right. I used the wrong word. I'm sorry.
> > 
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Re: [PD] pix_film crash with .avi files

[F. Medeiros]

Actually it is not just .avi files that make pd crash, maybe it is the
mjpeg codec?

This is an example of a file that crashes pd

http://www.archive.org/download/ANALOG_RECYCLING_VJ_LOOPS/AR_ARROW_3.mov

I just tried on Pd version 0.42-5extended-20101206

Anny ideas?

I miss playing videos with pd.


On Fri, 2010-12-03 at 14:08 +, F. Medeiros wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> pix_film crashes pdextended every time I try to open an .avi file , I
> think with whichever coded.
> 
> It works on .mpeg files tho.
> 
> When it crashes I get this:
> 
> swScaler: Exactly one scaler algorithm must be chosen
> Segmentation fault
> 
> This is on Ubuntu Lucid and maverick with Pd version 0.42.5-extended-rc6
> I got the deb from the Nightly Auto-Builds.
> 
> I am sure this was working before but I don't know what I did, if it was
> with a different version of pd or some coded I installed.
> 
> Can someone help please? 
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> 



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Re: [PD] Pd+pachube+python

[Jamie Bullock]

On 6 Dec 2010, at 01:26, FernandoG  wrote:

> Hi 
> I am trying to comunicate pd with data coming from pachube (www.pachube.com) 
> using a python script. The script ask for data from pachube web and convert 
> the data to OSC protocol. Then the OSC mesagge is sent to pd. Pd recibe the 
> OSC mesagge but something is wrong when unpack and route the data. 

It looks like someone is solving the same problem in Max. Maybe worth a look...

http://www.frankmacdonald.co.uk/digital-economy-news/parsing-pachube-xml-data-directly-into-maxmsp-updated-version.html

Jamie


> Data can not get in a number box object, this error mesagge is diplayed in 
> console:   error: gatom: no method for '1'
> 
> The python script
> 
> # to receive data
> import urllib2
> # to send on with OpenSoundControl, OSC
> from simpleOSC import *
> import time
> 
> 
> initOSCClient('127.0.0.1', 57110)
> while 1:
>   
> data=urllib2.urlopen('http://api.pachube.com/v2/feeds/2791.csv?key=hereyourcode')
>   for l in data: 
> d = l.strip().split(",", 2)
> print d
> sendOSCMsg('/test/num',d[0])  
> sendOSCMsg('/test/val',d[2]) 
> time.sleep(5) # wait here some secs
> 
> 
> the patch
> 
> #N canvas 599 0 450 476 10;
> #X declare -lib mrpeach;
> #X obj -217 25 import mrpeach;
> #X obj -220 112 unpackOSC;
> #X floatatom -219 277 5 0 0 0 - - -;
> #X obj -214 148 routeOSC /test;
> #X obj -191 348 print;
> #X floatatom -150 281 5 0 0 0 - - -;
> #X obj -219 66 udpreceive 57110;
> #X floatatom -92 290 5 0 0 0 - - -;
> #X obj -204 205 routeOSC /val /num;
> #X connect 1 0 3 0;
> #X connect 3 0 8 0;
> #X connect 6 0 1 0;
> #X connect 8 0 2 0;
> #X connect 8 1 5 0;
> #X connect 8 1 4 0;
> #X connect 8 2 7 0;
> 
> 
> any idea?
> 
> thanks
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Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian

[Andy Farnell]

You could be forgiven. The effort to forge this confusion is 
one of the defining propaganda campaigns of the 21st Century.
There are lawyers out there who don't know the difference.

On Mon, 6 Dec 2010 20:54:19 -0500 (EST)
Mathieu Bouchard  wrote:

> On Mon, 6 Dec 2010, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> 
> > Its not "illegal" because its a not about laws, but rather copyright 
> > licenses, which is more like contracts, i.e. agreements between private 
> > parties.
> 
> Right. I used the wrong word. I'm sorry.
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Re: [PD] problem loading externals??

[IOhannes m zmoelnig]

On 2010-12-06 21:53, Richie Cyngler wrote:
> Thanks IOhannes,
> 
> I'm pretty sure it's the right download for my system. I've been looking for
> externals just to try a different one to see if I get the same result or a
> different one, but I'm having a hard time finding something that isn't
> already in pd extended.

so what is the _tested_ (with the test i sent in my last email)
architecture of the files you downloaded?

> 
> I've attached a pic of my externals directory. Maybe I've got that part
> wrong?
> 

unfortunately, this doesn't tell anything at all, apart from the fact
that you have a "gridflow.pd_darwin", which is what you need and which
is already found by Pd and, as the error you are getting is telling us.

again: please check the architecture of gridflow.pd_darwin


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