[PD] [PD-announce] Los Angeles Pd/Max/MSP Patching Circle This Sunday

[Theron Trowbridge]

The next meeting of the pd-la patching circle will be this Sunday,
October 23rd at 2 pm at CRASHspace (10526 Venice Blvd., Culver City,
CA 90232).

Open and free to all (donations to support CRASHspace are welcome) –
come and bring your Pure Data or Max/MSP project to work on.

The pd-la Patching Circle is an informal gathering of anyone who is
interested in patching languages (Pure Data, Max/MSP/Jitter, etc.).
Beginners and experienced patchers welcome. Open to everyone – work on
personal or professional projects, school work, or just patch quietly
to yourself, in a room full of other people patching patches and
helping other people patch.


-Theron
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[PD] RjDj - Accessing RjDj server

[tesia kosmalski]

So why is it taking a small miracle for my iPod and iPhone to hit the RjDj
servers via Safari?

All OS's, Apps, RjzServer versions are up to date...and I've tried in 3
different wireless environments.

Set up worked like a charm 6 months ago.

Thanks
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Re: [PD] Patch Contest Thread/List

[Richie Cyngler]

I like the idea of remixing/frankensteining other people's patches (like
what was happening in the compressed chip sounds thread). Maybe there could
be different categories? Or it could alternate between them month to month?

On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Tyler Leavitt wrote:

> Cool. Yeah, I don't think the app needs to do anything to grand... just
> take submissions and then randomly select one once a month and auto-post on
> the forum and list. I'll try and start a quick and dirty one tonight after
> homework is done =)
>
> Any suggestions on what to call this? It's not a huge deal but mmb made a
> good point that "contest" isn't really applicable... he suggested
> "challenge" which sounds good to me. How should we format the subject line
> for the list notification email?... would [PatchChallenge] be a suitable
> identifier?
>
> Tyler
>
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Andrew Faraday wrote:
>
>>  I'll prototype something when I get some time. It'd be a fairly
>> straightforward app, forms to submit themes. Then probably just an admin
>> view where you can take submitted themes and convert them into active ones
>> (which would then accept patches and allow people to download these and
>> comment on them.
>>
>> I'm not convinced about this app being integrated with the forum.
>> Otherwise there'd probably be no advantage over just taking submissions by
>> email and dropping them on the forum. I could also get this to send an
>> e-mail to the pd-list when a theme is activated (I don't know if there'd be
>> any problems with automated e-mails to the list?)
>>
>> As I say, stick with the forum for now. I'll post a prototype once I've
>> managed to put something together. Then you can decide if it's worth
>> developing further.
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>> --
>> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 09:29:01 -0700
>> From: thecryofl...@gmail.com
>> CC: pd-list@iem.at
>>
>> Subject: Re: [PD] Patch Contest Thread/List
>>
>> Yeah I would be fine acting as a moderator (for the forum). Andy Farraday
>> mentioned writing an app that would take theme submissions... I don't know
>> how easily this could be integrated into the forum but we'll discuss that
>> more. It appears "Maelstrom" is the main moderator of the forums, so I'll
>> contact him and see about getting it setup.
>>
>> Tyler
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 2:22 AM, hardoff goes bananas > > wrote:
>>
>> ok, will we set up a section of the forum for this?
>>
>> Tyler, as this was your suggestion, would you be able to manage/run it?
>>
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Re: [PD] OT: CSound for Live

[Jonathan Wilkes]

>
>From: Epic Jefferson 
>To: stei...@block4.com
>Cc: pd-list@iem.at
>Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 10:54 AM
>Subject: Re: [PD] OT: CSound for Live
>
>
>Marco,
>
>
>i think it's more about convincing some of the AL users to experiment with 
>these other forms of playing with sound, letting them know that it's possible 
>to go further. And building a nice bridge for them. Personally, i'm currently 
>in the process of switching completely to Pd from AL. But Max4Live was useful 
>to me for a moment. I've been wanting to get in to Csound or Supercollider or 
>Chuck (can't decide which one to pursue)

If it's realtime DSP you're after, choose Supercollider.  Unlike Csound it was 
originally built for real time processing, and unlike ChucK it has a huge 
library of whatever the Supercollider equivalent is for Pd externals.

-Jonathan


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Re: [PD] Patch Contest Thread/List

[Tyler Leavitt]

Cool. Yeah, I don't think the app needs to do anything to grand... just take
submissions and then randomly select one once a month and auto-post on the
forum and list. I'll try and start a quick and dirty one tonight after
homework is done =)

Any suggestions on what to call this? It's not a huge deal but mmb made a
good point that "contest" isn't really applicable... he suggested
"challenge" which sounds good to me. How should we format the subject line
for the list notification email?... would [PatchChallenge] be a suitable
identifier?

Tyler

On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Andrew Faraday wrote:

>  I'll prototype something when I get some time. It'd be a fairly
> straightforward app, forms to submit themes. Then probably just an admin
> view where you can take submitted themes and convert them into active ones
> (which would then accept patches and allow people to download these and
> comment on them.
>
> I'm not convinced about this app being integrated with the forum. Otherwise
> there'd probably be no advantage over just taking submissions by email and
> dropping them on the forum. I could also get this to send an e-mail to the
> pd-list when a theme is activated (I don't know if there'd be any problems
> with automated e-mails to the list?)
>
> As I say, stick with the forum for now. I'll post a prototype once I've
> managed to put something together. Then you can decide if it's worth
> developing further.
>
> Andrew
>
> --
> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 09:29:01 -0700
> From: thecryofl...@gmail.com
> CC: pd-list@iem.at
>
> Subject: Re: [PD] Patch Contest Thread/List
>
> Yeah I would be fine acting as a moderator (for the forum). Andy Farraday
> mentioned writing an app that would take theme submissions... I don't know
> how easily this could be integrated into the forum but we'll discuss that
> more. It appears "Maelstrom" is the main moderator of the forums, so I'll
> contact him and see about getting it setup.
>
> Tyler
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 2:22 AM, hardoff goes bananas 
> wrote:
>
> ok, will we set up a section of the forum for this?
>
> Tyler, as this was your suggestion, would you be able to manage/run it?
>
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Re: [PD] Patch Contest Thread/List

[Andrew Faraday]

I'll prototype something when I get some time. It'd be a fairly straightforward 
app, forms to submit themes. Then probably just an admin view where you can 
take submitted themes and convert them into active ones (which would then 
accept patches and allow people to download these and comment on them. 
I'm not convinced about this app being integrated with the forum. Otherwise 
there'd probably be no advantage over just taking submissions by email and 
dropping them on the forum. I could also get this to send an e-mail to the 
pd-list when a theme is activated (I don't know if there'd be any problems with 
automated e-mails to the list?)
As I say, stick with the forum for now. I'll post a prototype once I've managed 
to put something together. Then you can decide if it's worth developing 
further. 
Andrew

Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 09:29:01 -0700
From: thecryofl...@gmail.com
CC: pd-list@iem.at
Subject: Re: [PD] Patch Contest Thread/List

Yeah I would be fine acting as a moderator (for the forum). Andy Farraday 
mentioned writing an app that would take theme submissions... I don't know how 
easily this could be integrated into the forum but we'll discuss that more. It 
appears "Maelstrom" is the main moderator of the forums, so I'll contact him 
and see about getting it setup.


Tyler


On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 2:22 AM, hardoff goes bananas  
wrote:


ok, will we set up a section of the forum for this?

Tyler, as this was your suggestion, would you be able to manage/run it?  


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Re: [PD] (focus) out of gemwin

[stéfan piat]

yes, [gemmouse] does not output mousewheel (i think too)


[hid] does it but it's not cross-platform


2011/10/19 cyrille henry 

>
>
> Le 19/10/2011 20:45, IOhannes m zmoelnig a écrit :
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>> On 2011-10-19 19:16, stéfan piat wrote:
>>
>>> or maybe is there another object working on windows (and gem) to collect
>>> the
>>> mousewheel data?
>>>
>>>
>> [gemmouse]?
>>
> i think gemmouse does not output mousewheel. (only XY position and right /
> left / middle click)
>
> c
>
>
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Re: [PD] SCHEMA-D

[Mathieu Bouchard]

Le 2011-10-19 à 05:42:00, Dan Wilcox a écrit :

01. Technology and technical devices must be older than 3 years and 
chosen according to the content, as opposed to function.


This means that you can't make your own custom devices.

If the artwork itself is considered to be a device, you can't make artwork 
either.


03. If a computer is in use it must be a laptop or a mobile device. The 
presentation of the work must be in a space within context of the 
artwork.


It's very relative to context... micro-towers with external flatscreens 
can be much smaller and lighter than what used to be called portable 
computers. Do you want to be understood if/when the definition of portable 
changes again ?


06. No superficial interaction. Instructions must not be needed; Games 
are not acceptable.


What's a game ? How do you tell whether something is one ?


07. Nothing is to be covered or hidden


A lot of stuff is hidden inside of computers, screens and other devices. 
the ALU is hidden inside of the CPU and the CPU is hidden between the 
mainboard and the heatsink, both hidden within the case. Which types of 
hiding are ok, and why ?


09. The artwork must be able to be turned on and off using a single 
action.


That's not a dogma, it's common sense for gallery installations. Artists 
who don't do this pay the price for it, sooner or later.


I sending this to you partly to promote discussion but also for the fact 
that Anika is looking for feedback as this topic has become much tricker 
then she ever imagined. It's like "nailing pudding to the wall...".


You might be surprised to learn that there are things called pudding that 
are nailable to the wall.


If you have any ideas, insights, rants, raves, links, books, quotes, etc 
you can visit her thesis site and comment on each rule (and it's 
accompanying explanation): http://anika.deadbeat.cc/schema-d/


My big question is : who would follow such a list of rules ?

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Re: [PD] (focus) out of gemwin

[cyrille henry]

Le 19/10/2011 20:45, IOhannes m zmoelnig a écrit :

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On 2011-10-19 19:16, stéfan piat wrote:

or maybe is there another object working on windows (and gem) to collect the
mousewheel data?



[gemmouse]?

i think gemmouse does not output mousewheel. (only XY position and right / left 
/ middle click)

c



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Re: [PD] menubar os x

[stéfan piat]

hello
thank you

but... using negative coordinates doesn't change the fact that menubar is
over the gemwin
[menubar 0( remove the dock, but not the menu bar (on the top...)

any clue?
(it doesn't work either on a macbook with gpu=gma950 osx=10.6.8 and
pdextended 0.42.5)


thanks for help




2011/9/19 Guido Tamino 

> this works on my macbook pro, main display.
>
> dimen 1440 900, offset 0 -50, border 0, menubar 0, cursor 0, create, 1
>
> i'm using osx 10.5.8 with GEM 0.92.3, hope it helps.
>
> best,
> guido
>
>
> Il giorno 19/set/11, alle ore 12:24, stéfan piat ha scritto:
>
> hello marian
>
> thanks for your tip
>
> but if I make the window fullscreen by setting the dimensions of my
> display, without using menubar,
> the menubar is over the window...
>  and I have only one monitor... so I can't shift my window to a monitor
> without menubar...
>
>
> best,
> *stéfan*
>
>
>
>
>
> 2011/9/19 Marian Weger 
>
>> Am 18.09.11 15:20, schrieb stéfan piat:
>>
>>
>>> I have a problem to remove the menubar when displaying the gemwin
>>> fullscreen on a specific hardware
>>>
>>>
>> try "border 0" and make the window fullscreen by setting the dimensions of
>> your display (i.e. "dimen 1280 800").
>> Do not use the "fullscreen" and "menubar" messages.
>> If you have several monitors connected, shift the window using "offset 
>> " to the desired monitor.
>> This should work on most machines.
>>
>> But always set up some hotkey for destroying the gemwin, since you won't
>> have access to your destroy button with a fullscreen gemwin.
>> I often use the right mouse button for that with [gemmouse]
>>
>>
>> marian
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Re: [PD] puredata.info proxy error

[IOhannes m zmoelnig]

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> 
> It seems that the proxy error is back, here's what I get when accessing
> puredata.info:
> 
> http://puredata.info/
> 
> Proxy Error


this was a side effect of a maintainance downtime of one of our LDAP
servers.
the LDAP server is up again, puredata.info is working again.
(this remind me that i should do a fallback ldap server)

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Re: [PD] (focus) out of gemwin

[IOhannes m zmoelnig]

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On 2011-10-19 19:16, stéfan piat wrote:
> or maybe is there another object working on windows (and gem) to collect the
> mousewheel data?
> 

[gemmouse]?

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[PD] puredata.info proxy error

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

It seems that the proxy error is back, here's what I get when  
accessing puredata.info:


http://puredata.info/

Proxy Error

The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server.
The proxy server could not handle the request GET /.

Reason: Error reading from remote server

Apache/2.2.9 (Debian) DAV/2 SVN/1.5.1 PHP/4.4.4-8+etch6 mod_ssl/2.2.9  
OpenSSL/0.9.8o mod_perl/2.0.4 Perl/v5.10.0 Server at puredata.info  
Port 80


.hc




Terrorism is not an enemy.  It cannot be defeated.  It's a tactic.   
It's about as sensible to say we declare war on night attacks and  
expect we're going to win that war.  We're not going to win the war on  
terrorism.- retired U.S. Army general, William Odom




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Re: [PD] Soundspotter

[Tyler Leavitt]

Nope =). Do you have any links to tutorials or demos of what can be done
with it? I couldn't quite put together exactly what it is from the site (
http://soundspotter.org/)

Tyler

On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 3:03 AM, Rick  wrote:

> Is anyone here running soundspotter?
>
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[PD] (focus) out of gemwin

[stéfan piat]

hello,

I am working on a project using [cursor] and gem (pdextended 0.42.5)

my problem, is that when the gemwin is fullscreen (or is created)
I lost the contact with

I there a way to change the focus out of the gemwin when it is fullscreen?
(I get [cursor] back when clicking on another windows, but on fullscreen it
is not possible)

or maybe is there another object working on windows (and gem) to collect the
mousewheel data?


thank you
*
*
*stéfan*
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Re: [PD] Patch Contest Thread/List

[Tyler Leavitt]

Yeah I would be fine acting as a moderator (for the forum). Andy Farraday
mentioned writing an app that would take theme submissions... I don't know
how easily this could be integrated into the forum but we'll discuss that
more. It appears "Maelstrom" is the main moderator of the forums, so I'll
contact him and see about getting it setup.

Tyler


On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 2:22 AM, hardoff goes bananas wrote:

> ok, will we set up a section of the forum for this?
>
> Tyler, as this was your suggestion, would you be able to manage/run it?
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Re: [PD] OT: CSound for Live

[Mike Moser-Booth]

On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 4:43 AM, Marco Donnarumma  wrote:

> It would be interesting to know whether this idea was proposed by Live or
> CSound community.
> cheers,
> M

I believe it just started as Colman's final project at Berklee, and he
and Dr. B kept working on it.

.mmb

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Re: [PD] OT: CSound for Live

[Epic Jefferson]

Marco,

i think it's more about convincing some of the AL users to experiment with
these other forms of playing with sound, letting them know that it's
possible to go further. And building a nice bridge for them. Personally, i'm
currently in the process of switching completely to Pd from AL. But Max4Live
was useful to me for a moment. I've been wanting to get in to Csound or
Supercollider or Chuck (can't decide which one to pursue) to see what's up,
but right now it's exactly like when I opened a max patch for the first
time, even worse. So, i think it makes sense that these bridges are being
made with AL (since AL is already the most interesting and versatile of the
commercial DAW's, in my opinion).

On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 4:27 AM, Malte Steiner  wrote:

> well, for me Csound is replacing Ableton Live for concerts as realtime
> sound engine (multitrack loop player / processor plus as synthesizer),
> communicating with Pure Data/ GEM as visualization, both works well on
> Linux:
>
> http://vimeo.com/24077632
>
> Cheers,
>
> Malte
>
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Re: [PD] CPU data to pd WAS: Patch Contest Thread/List

[Andrew Faraday]

Sorry for the multiple post there. Hotmail seems to have glitched

From: jbtur...@hotmail.com
To: ma...@artengine.ca
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 13:15:47 +0100
CC: pd-list@iem.at
Subject: [PD]   CPU data to pd WAS: Patch Contest Thread/List








I'm not finished with it yet, but basically it's about reading and parsing the 
file /proc/stat to get the load of your cpu(s) and then convert it into 
real-time data (basically the same data the 'system monitor' uses) and turn 
that into something standardised for PDers to patch on top of. So you could 
hear how your computer usage (admittedly including Pd) is affecting cpu load. 
(inspired by my recent realization that my work computer is actually running 8 
cores and this data is viewable as a file in unix).

So far I've got the beginning of a ruby parser for that file.

Does anyone know:
  which files I can poll to get the memory usage and network traffic as 
numerical figures?
  how I would detect the number of cores in the same way?
  where I can find the cpu cores' capacity (so I can express the data as a 
proportion of this)?

I suppose the ultimate aim would be an abstraction to autodetect all this and 
feed clean data to pd.

- Andrew


> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 00:59:40 -0400
> From: ma...@artengine.ca
> To: jbtur...@hotmail.com
> CC: thecryofl...@gmail.com; pd-list@iem.at
> Subject: Re: [PD] Patch Contest Thread/List
> 
> Le 2011-10-18 à 23:24:00, Andrew Faraday a écrit :
> 
> > Just I'm working on a ruby/pd patch to get a clean feed of CPU usage in 
> > linux, could be a starting point (I.E. where would people take this 
> > real-time data collection).
> 
> May you elaborate on what this is ?
> 
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[PD] CPU data to pd WAS: Patch Contest Thread/List

[Andrew Faraday]

I'm not finished with it yet, but basically it's about reading and parsing the 
file /proc/stat to get the load of your cpu(s) and then convert it into 
real-time data (basically the same data the 'system monitor' uses) and turn 
that into something standardised for PDers to patch on top of. So you could 
hear how your computer usage (admittedly including Pd) is affecting cpu load. 
(inspired by my recent realization that my work computer is actually running 8 
cores and this data is viewable as a file in unix).

So far I've got the beginning of a ruby parser for that file.

Does anyone know:
  which files I can poll to get the memory usage and network traffic as 
numerical figures?
  how I would detect the number of cores in the same way?
  where I can find the cpu cores' capacity (so I can express the data as a 
proportion of this)?

I suppose the ultimate aim would be an abstraction to autodetect all this and 
feed clean data to pd.

- Andrew


> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 00:59:40 -0400
> From: ma...@artengine.ca
> To: jbtur...@hotmail.com
> CC: thecryofl...@gmail.com; pd-list@iem.at
> Subject: Re: [PD] Patch Contest Thread/List
> 
> Le 2011-10-18 à 23:24:00, Andrew Faraday a écrit :
> 
> > Just I'm working on a ruby/pd patch to get a clean feed of CPU usage in 
> > linux, could be a starting point (I.E. where would people take this 
> > real-time data collection).
> 
> May you elaborate on what this is ?
> 
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[PD] CPU data to pd WAS: Patch Contest Thread/List

[Andrew Faraday]

I'm not finished with it yet, but basically it's about reading and parsing the 
file /proc/stat to get the load of your cpu(s) and then convert it into 
real-time data (basically the same data the 'system monitor' uses) and turn 
that into something standardised for PDers to patch on top of. So you could 
hear how your computer usage (admittedly including Pd) is affecting cpu load. 
(inspired by my recent realization that my work computer is actually running 8 
cores and this data is viewable as a file in unix).

So far I've got the beginning of a ruby parser for that file.

Does anyone know:
  which files I can poll to get the memory usage and network traffic as 
numerical figures?
  how I would detect the number of cores in the same way?
  where I can find the cpu cores' capacity (so I can express the data as a 
proportion of this)?

I suppose the ultimate aim would be an abstraction to autodetect all this and 
feed clean data to pd.

- Andrew


> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 00:59:40 -0400
> From: ma...@artengine.ca
> To: jbtur...@hotmail.com
> CC: thecryofl...@gmail.com; pd-list@iem.at
> Subject: Re: [PD] Patch Contest Thread/List
> 
> Le 2011-10-18 à 23:24:00, Andrew Faraday a écrit :
> 
> > Just I'm working on a ruby/pd patch to get a clean feed of CPU usage in 
> > linux, could be a starting point (I.E. where would people take this 
> > real-time data collection).
> 
> May you elaborate on what this is ?
> 
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[PD] Soundspotter

[Rick]

Is anyone here running soundspotter?

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Re: [PD] Patch Contest Thread/List

[hardoff goes bananas]

ok, will we set up a section of the forum for this?

Tyler, as this was your suggestion, would you be able to manage/run it?
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Re: [PD] OT: CSound for Live

[Malte Steiner]

well, for me Csound is replacing Ableton Live for concerts as realtime 
sound engine (multitrack loop player / processor plus as synthesizer), 
communicating with Pure Data/ GEM as visualization, both works well on 
Linux:


http://vimeo.com/24077632

Cheers,

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Re: [PD] OT: CSound for Live

[Marco Donnarumma]

Good to hear your thoughts folks.
I also have some doubts about this kind of initiatives.

I used to work in Live in a previous windowz existence, and what appear to
me as a dubious paradox is the attempt to extend a software which is
purposely limited by design into the wilder field of audio programming.
Obviously it's easy to argue for the added capabilities and potential that
Live users could benefit from, but I wonder how many of those users actually
demand such potential. As it has always been said here, those who really
need programming tools, will rather use them in a complete environment, than
a sketched hybrid.
It would be interesting to know whether this idea was proposed by Live or
CSound community.

cheers,
M





> Yeah, Csound4Live basically wraps Csound instruments and such in
> Max4Live using [csound~]. If [pd~] for Max gets going, you could then
> use Pd in Live. Though, if you already have Max, it might not seem as
> attractive.
>
> .mmb
>
> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 4:33 AM, Lorenzo Sutton  wrote:
> > On 17/10/2011 21:42, Jeppi Jeppi wrote:
> >>
> >> Looks as a nice combination, Csound for great unique sound designs and
> >> Live for quick realtime sketches. Yep, you can do the same with Pd, even
> >> with bare C...but Csound is Csound...respect ;)
> >>
> >> I really don't use Live at all...Csound for Pd is even cooler IMHO.
> >
> > And I *think* it's using Csound for max.. so it's kinda live + max +
> Csound.
> >
> > Lorenzo.
> >
> >>
> >> Josep M
> >>
> >> 
> >> From: h...@at.or.at
> >> To: de...@thesaddj.com
> >> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 12:58:48 -0400
> >> CC: pd-list@iem.at
> >> Subject: Re: [PD] OT: CSound for Live
> >>
> >>
> >> Csound will never die.
> >>
> >> .hc
> >>
> >> On Oct 16, 2011, at 12:16 PM, Marco Donnarumma wrote:
> >>
> >> ? ?any thought about this?
> >>
> >>
> >> ?
> http://createdigitalmusic.com/2011/10/csound-for-live-the-power-of-csound-in-ableton-with-or-without-any-coding/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ? ?--
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 19:38:04 +0200
> From: Charles Goyard 
> Subject: Re: [PD] help browser resize + guiplugins organization
> To: pd-list@iem.at
> Message-ID: <20111018173804.GA1536@tip>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> > >I'm also working on this:
> > ># TODO enter and up/down/left/right arrow key bindings for nav
> >
> > Any luck with the key bindings for the Help Browser?
>
> After a few unsuccessful attempts, I dropped the task. TCL is a strange
> language...
>
> see you,
> Charlot
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 14:12:57 -0400
> From: Hans-Christoph Steiner 
> Subject: Re: [PD] Patch Contest Thread/List
> To: Mike Moser-Booth 
> Cc: pd-list , hardoff goes bananas
>
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>
> Sounds great, I say do it!
>
> .hc
>
> On Oct 18, 2011, at 1:23 PM, Mike Moser-Booth wrote:
>
> > +1. I think the forum is a good place for it, too. Newbies seem to
> > gravitate toward (or at least parti

Re: [PD] That Old No Sound Problem...

[Lorenzo Sutton]

On 19/10/2011 09:45, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:

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Pd version 0.42-6 with


i figure this is pd-vanilla (afaik, there is no 0.42-6 for Pd-extended);
in debian there is also a 0.43 version of Pd available, which has a
number of improvements regarding jack support (don't know about mint though)



"JACK Audio Connection Kit - Qt GUI Interface
Version: 0.3.6"


wow, that's old. my jack is 1.9.7 (which is actually jack2; the jack1 i
could install on my system is 0.121.0)


I think he is referring to the version of qjackctl which in fact on 
squeeze is 0.3.6.


Forrest: to see the version of jack (not the QJackControl gui) try the 
following command in a terminal:


jackd --version




[and yes, it is in fact running. Works just fine with ChucK.]


well, so let's get to the real problem.

your error log seems to indicate, that jack is not running when you
start Pd.
please make sure that jack does run, before you start Pd.
make sure that you don't have any "opposing" settings (e.g. use
"-noprefs" when starting Pd)
make sure to tell Pd how many channels to allocate for Pd (e.g. use
"-jack -channels 8" when starting Pd)
this works fine on my debian/sid machine.


You can also do this within Pd itself, by making sure you select Media 
-> Jack Here you can also set the input and output channels, maybe start 
with something like 2 to begin with.

As IOhannes suggested do make sure jack is running *before* you start pd.

Lorenzo.




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Re: [PD] Patch Contest Thread/List

[Marco Donnarumma]

This sounds quite good indeed! +1
I'll offer also some modest "pr" around.

M





> +1. I think the forum is a good place for it, too. Newbies seem to
> gravitate toward (or at least participate more) to the forum. I think
> this would be a great way to help new users develop some chops.
>
> .mmb
>
>
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ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing)
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Re: [PD] That Old No Sound Problem...

[IOhannes m zmoelnig]

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> On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 11:57 PM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
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>> On 2011-10-17 23:26, forrest curo wrote:
>>> So please, somebody-- What's up with this? And what to do about it?
>> (!)
>>
>> how about giving us some clues about the system you use?
>> like operating system, jack version, pd version?
>>
> 
> Pd version 0.42-6 with

i figure this is pd-vanilla (afaik, there is no 0.42-6 for Pd-extended);
in debian there is also a 0.43 version of Pd available, which has a
number of improvements regarding jack support (don't know about mint though)


> "JACK Audio Connection Kit - Qt GUI Interface
> Version: 0.3.6"

wow, that's old. my jack is 1.9.7 (which is actually jack2; the jack1 i
could install on my system is 0.121.0)

> [and yes, it is in fact running. Works just fine with ChucK.]

well, so let's get to the real problem.

your error log seems to indicate, that jack is not running when you
start Pd.
please make sure that jack does run, before you start Pd.
make sure that you don't have any "opposing" settings (e.g. use
"-noprefs" when starting Pd)
make sure to tell Pd how many channels to allocate for Pd (e.g. use
"-jack -channels 8" when starting Pd)
this works fine on my debian/sid machine.


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Re: [PD] Analyzing subharmonic frequencies accurately

[katja]

On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 2:50 AM, Mathieu Bouchard  wrote:

> Why would the filtering be done by FFT ? Isn't a single [lop~] good enough ?


A single [lop~] is a mild filter, probably 6 dB per octave. FIR
filters are normally used to make sure the potentially aliasing
frequencies are really filtered out before up/downsampling, some 20
coefficients per octave up/down if I remember well. For 32 octaves
down, FIR would be expensive, so it could instead be done as a
convolution in frequency domain.

In frequency domain it is possible to almost brickwall-filter, it's
very effective and cheap. I've documented experiments with it:

http://www.katjaas.nl/FFTwindow/FFTwindow&filtering.html

That said, it is of course dependent on the input signal whether
radical filtering is really important before downsampling. I don't
know what is the case of the original poster, so maybe this is
theoretical digression.

Katja

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