Re: [PD] raspberry pi user experience

[katja]

Hello,

Some people seem to have result with setting lower USB speed on the
Pi, but when I try this, the Pi doesn't even respond to keyboard
anymore. Checking /boot/cmdline.txt with another computer, I'm sure it
is not due to a typo. But the order of settings may be important?
Could anyone copy the full text of /boot/cmdline.txt for me, if you
have keyboard working with lowered USB speed? (I'm not talking about
good audio yet).

Thanks,
Katja


On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Thomas Grill  wrote:
> Message to self: it seems that one has to wait for updated RPi USB
> firmware/drivers to get USB 2.0 audio going.
> Obviously the "isochronous transfer mode" as used by audio interfaces is
> currently broken.
> gr~~~
>
>
> 2013/1/26 Thomas Grill 
>>
>> Hi all,
>> for my USB audio class 2.0 device "Native Instruments Komplete Audio 6" i
>> can't report such good news.
>> There is constant irregular crackling, not only with Pd but also with
>> aplay etc. It seems related to USB bandwidth, since turning on and off the
>> inputs in Pd changes crackling frequency. The dwc_otg.speed setting is not
>> usable for me, since the device is dependent on USB 2.0 operation.
>> Any experiences with USB 2.0 audio devices under ALSA/rpi?
>> thanks,
>> gr~~~
>>
>>
>> 2013/1/26 Cyrille Henry 
>>>
>>> hello,
>>>
>>> I just install raspbian release and update it. then install pd 0.44.1
>>> (without any specific optimisation flag)
>>>
>>> I made the standard optimisation :
>>> * - rtprio 99
>>> * - memlock 10
>>> in /etc/security/limits.conf
>>>
>>> and
>>> dwc_otg.speed=1
>>> in /boot/cmdline.txt
>>> as suggested by miller
>>>
>>> I use a uca222 beringher (that cost about 20 or 25€) sound card.
>>> trying the test audio and midi, there is no click with 10ms audio buffer
>>> (with adc~ enable).
>>>
>>> this is with usb keyboard / mouse combo plugged and graphical interface
>>> (for the system and for pd).
>>>
>>> without X, audiobuf can be as low as 5ms
>>>
>>> having a usb keyboard did not change anything for me.
>>>
>>> i'm very happy
>>>
>>> cheers
>>> c
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Re: [PD] RPi audio tips & tweaks

[Pierre Massat]

Hi Julian,

Yes, please, i'd be glad to help.

Cheers,

Pierre.

2013/1/26 Julian Brooks 

> Hi Pierre,
>
> Thank you for your kind offer.  I think I'm going to refocus my Pi
> experiments and accept that the patch I'm hoping to run is just a bit too
> meaty for the Pi atm.  So next will be to get one of my other regular Pd
> patches translated to the Pi (for an envisioned installation) and also wait
> for the next stream of Pi-like boards with just a bit more oomph.
>
> If you don't mind perhaps I could send you the patch for a comparison in a
> few weeks or so, if that's ok?
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Julian
>
>
>
> On 25 January 2013 16:52, Pierre Massat  wrote:
>
>> Hi, I can't tell you much because i'm only using really simple patches
>> for now.
>> I could try one of yours if you want, to see if the soundcard makes a
>> difference ?
>> I didn't slow down the USB, but I did remove pulseaudio.
>>
>> Pierre.
>>
>> 2013/1/25 Julian Brooks 
>>
>>>  Hi all,
>>>
>>> Back to messing with my RPi after the slew of positive news recently.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately I'm not really hearing/seeing such good results myself.
>>> Certainly not getting anything like Miller and Pierre's 10ms full duplex
>>> from within Pd.  In fact it's still really glitchy/unstable verging on the
>>> unusable.
>>>
>>> I'm presuming that people are getting such decent results by running Pd
>>> headless (no gui).  Because of the patches I'm wanting to run I do need to
>>> have the gui so am wondering if anyone has some tips to squeeze a little
>>> more out the pi?
>>>
>>> Have updated Raspbian to most recent, done the usb tweak to 1.1, removed
>>> pulseaudio.
>>>
>>> I'm running the pi via ssh through my laptop.  I'm also running
>>> vncserver on the pi and xvncviewer on my debian lappy.
>>>
>>> Also have an imic, so don't need anything other than usb-audio.
>>>
>>> So things like: is it worth disabling some of the audio and midi
>>> modules, that kind of stuff, well you know, anything really?
>>>
>>> Many thanks in advance,
>>>
>>> Julian
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Re: [PD] raspberry pi user experience

[Pierre Massat]

My USB 2.0 soundcard (E-MU 040) works fine in the lastest Raspbian without
any tweaks.
I'm thus not sure it has to be with USB itself.

Cheers,

Pierre.

2013/1/27 katja 

> Hello,
>
> Some people seem to have result with setting lower USB speed on the
> Pi, but when I try this, the Pi doesn't even respond to keyboard
> anymore. Checking /boot/cmdline.txt with another computer, I'm sure it
> is not due to a typo. But the order of settings may be important?
> Could anyone copy the full text of /boot/cmdline.txt for me, if you
> have keyboard working with lowered USB speed? (I'm not talking about
> good audio yet).
>
> Thanks,
> Katja
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Thomas Grill  wrote:
> > Message to self: it seems that one has to wait for updated RPi USB
> > firmware/drivers to get USB 2.0 audio going.
> > Obviously the "isochronous transfer mode" as used by audio interfaces is
> > currently broken.
> > gr~~~
> >
> >
> > 2013/1/26 Thomas Grill 
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >> for my USB audio class 2.0 device "Native Instruments Komplete Audio 6"
> i
> >> can't report such good news.
> >> There is constant irregular crackling, not only with Pd but also with
> >> aplay etc. It seems related to USB bandwidth, since turning on and off
> the
> >> inputs in Pd changes crackling frequency. The dwc_otg.speed setting is
> not
> >> usable for me, since the device is dependent on USB 2.0 operation.
> >> Any experiences with USB 2.0 audio devices under ALSA/rpi?
> >> thanks,
> >> gr~~~
> >>
> >>
> >> 2013/1/26 Cyrille Henry 
> >>>
> >>> hello,
> >>>
> >>> I just install raspbian release and update it. then install pd 0.44.1
> >>> (without any specific optimisation flag)
> >>>
> >>> I made the standard optimisation :
> >>> * - rtprio 99
> >>> * - memlock 10
> >>> in /etc/security/limits.conf
> >>>
> >>> and
> >>> dwc_otg.speed=1
> >>> in /boot/cmdline.txt
> >>> as suggested by miller
> >>>
> >>> I use a uca222 beringher (that cost about 20 or 25€) sound card.
> >>> trying the test audio and midi, there is no click with 10ms audio
> buffer
> >>> (with adc~ enable).
> >>>
> >>> this is with usb keyboard / mouse combo plugged and graphical interface
> >>> (for the system and for pd).
> >>>
> >>> without X, audiobuf can be as low as 5ms
> >>>
> >>> having a usb keyboard did not change anything for me.
> >>>
> >>> i'm very happy
> >>>
> >>> cheers
> >>> c
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Re: [PD] raspberry pi user experience

[Cyrille Henry]

i put it in front of everything :

dwc_otg.speed=1 dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=ttyAMA0,115200 
kgdboc=ttyAMA0,115200 console=tty1 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootfstype=ext4 
elevator=deadline rootwait

cheers
c

Le 27/01/2013 11:42, katja a écrit :

Hello,

Some people seem to have result with setting lower USB speed on the
Pi, but when I try this, the Pi doesn't even respond to keyboard
anymore. Checking /boot/cmdline.txt with another computer, I'm sure it
is not due to a typo. But the order of settings may be important?
Could anyone copy the full text of /boot/cmdline.txt for me, if you
have keyboard working with lowered USB speed? (I'm not talking about
good audio yet).

Thanks,
Katja


On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Thomas Grill  wrote:

Message to self: it seems that one has to wait for updated RPi USB
firmware/drivers to get USB 2.0 audio going.
Obviously the "isochronous transfer mode" as used by audio interfaces is
currently broken.
gr~~~


2013/1/26 Thomas Grill 


Hi all,
for my USB audio class 2.0 device "Native Instruments Komplete Audio 6" i
can't report such good news.
There is constant irregular crackling, not only with Pd but also with
aplay etc. It seems related to USB bandwidth, since turning on and off the
inputs in Pd changes crackling frequency. The dwc_otg.speed setting is not
usable for me, since the device is dependent on USB 2.0 operation.
Any experiences with USB 2.0 audio devices under ALSA/rpi?
thanks,
gr~~~


2013/1/26 Cyrille Henry 


hello,

I just install raspbian release and update it. then install pd 0.44.1
(without any specific optimisation flag)

I made the standard optimisation :
* - rtprio 99
* - memlock 10
in /etc/security/limits.conf

and
dwc_otg.speed=1
in /boot/cmdline.txt
as suggested by miller

I use a uca222 beringher (that cost about 20 or 25€) sound card.
trying the test audio and midi, there is no click with 10ms audio buffer
(with adc~ enable).

this is with usb keyboard / mouse combo plugged and graphical interface
(for the system and for pd).

without X, audiobuf can be as low as 5ms

having a usb keyboard did not change anything for me.

i'm very happy

cheers
c

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Re: [PD] Building pd-l2ork on arch linux 64

[Ivica Ico Bukvic]

Thanks for all your hard work! Please see comments below.

 

From: pd-list-boun...@iem.at [mailto:pd-list-boun...@iem.at] On Behalf Of
Fero Kiraly
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 8:53 AM
To: pd-list@iem.at
Subject: Re: [PD] Building pd-l2ork on arch linux 64

 

Ivica,

 

I have good message ! pd-l2ork has been completely build on arch 64 from my
new PKGBUILD.

it has this last problem:

If I want to install it to the system it complies about this:

 

 

error: failed to commit transaction (conflicting files)

pd-l2ork: /usr/bin/cyclist exists in filesystem

pd-l2ork: /usr/bin/pdreceive exists in filesystem

pd-l2ork: /usr/bin/pdsend exists in filesystem

pd-l2ork: /usr/share/man/man1/pdreceive.1.gz exists in filesystem

pd-l2ork: /usr/share/man/man1/pdsend.1.gz exists in filesystem

 

That is because both versions include these files. My understanding is that
pd-extended packages this as a separate package pd-utils. How to handle this
is not clear. For right now it is a conflict (as it should be) since both
packages provide the same binary.

 

 

all of the errors are conflicting files from pd-extended.

If I uninstall pd-extended, everything goes well and I have functional
pd-l2ork in the system.

How to resolve this ?

 

For right now exactly as you did, or install pd-l2ork using binary installer
into /usr/local. Pd-extended does not support this as far as I could tell
(it only supports install in /usr folder), so you would have to install
pd-l2ork this way.

 

next.. you have resolved problem with gem2pdp, but I have to run aclocal in
this folder separately before building process, because in your script is
only

cd gem2pdp && autoconf

something changed ?

 

Wait, are you saying that if you:

 

cd externals/

make gem2pdp

 

this fails unless you manually run aclocal?

 

and finally I have to patch the pd/src/configure.in for tcl/tk8.6, and I
think it could be added officially

here is the patch file:

 

Thanks for providing the patch. Does this mess with older versions, namely
8.5 or does this script work for both?

 

 

 

*** configure.in2013-01-23 19:46:22.0 +0100

--- configure.in.new   2013-01-23 19:54:57.476420874 +0100

***

*** 149,154 

--- 149,155 

  #exit -1

  fi

  

+ AC_CHECK_LIB(tcl8.6, main,,

  AC_CHECK_LIB(tcl85, main,,

  AC_CHECK_LIB(tcl8.5, main,,

  AC_CHECK_LIB(tcl84, main,,

***

*** 156,171 

  AC_CHECK_LIB(tcl8.3, main,,

  AC_CHECK_LIB(tcl8.2, main,,

  AC_CHECK_LIB(tcl8.0, main,,

! echo no tcl library found; exit 1)))

  

  AC_CHECK_LIB(tk85, main,,

! AC_CHECK_LIB(tk8.5, main,,

 AC_CHECK_LIB(tk84, main,,

  AC_CHECK_LIB(tk8.4, main,,

  AC_CHECK_LIB(tk8.3, main,,

  AC_CHECK_LIB(tk8.2, main,,

  AC_CHECK_LIB(tk8.0, main,,

! echo no tk library found; exit 1)))

  

  

  if test x$tk != "xno"; then

--- 157,173 

  AC_CHECK_LIB(tcl8.3, main,,

  AC_CHECK_LIB(tcl8.2, main,,

  AC_CHECK_LIB(tcl8.0, main,,

! echo no tcl library found; exit 1

  

+ AC_CHECK_LIB(tk8.6, main,,

  AC_CHECK_LIB(tk85, main,,

! AC_CHECK_LIB(tk8.5, main,,

 AC_CHECK_LIB(tk84, main,,

  AC_CHECK_LIB(tk8.4, main,,

  AC_CHECK_LIB(tk8.3, main,,

  AC_CHECK_LIB(tk8.2, main,,

  AC_CHECK_LIB(tk8.0, main,,

! echo no tk library found; exit 1

  

  

 

fk.

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Re: [PD] Building pd-l2ork on arch linux 64

[Fero Kiraly]

This patch should be good for all versions of tk/tcl. But should be tested,
I have only 8.6.

yes, I have to run aclocal in gem2pdp, otherwise it wont build.

[paum@bookes externals]$ make gem2pdp
cd /home/paum/PK/AUR/pd-l2ork/src/pd-l2ork/externals/gem2pdp && autoconf
configure.ac:44: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_SANITY_CHECK
  If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow.
  See the Autoconf documentation.
configure.ac:46: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_MAINTAINER_MODE
configure.ac:47: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_WITH_DMALLOC
make: ***
[/home/paum/PK/AUR/pd-l2ork/src/pd-l2ork/externals/gem2pdp/configure] Error
1

Do you see ? there is:
cd /gem2pdp && autoconf.
Shouldn't it  be:
cd gem2pdp && aclocal && autoconf ?

but running aclocal separately solves this problem as I have mentioned...

its pity that I cant have in system pd-l2ork and pd-extended together,
anyway I am trying to resolve putting puradata vanilla & pd-extended to
live together. I know that on debian it is posiibile, so maybe there is
some solution for pd-l2ork ?

fk.

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Re: [PD] Building pd-l2ork on arch linux 64

[Ivica Ico Bukvic]

On 01/27/2013 09:40 AM, Fero Kiraly wrote:
This patch should be good for all versions of tk/tcl. But should be 
tested, I have only 8.6.


I tested it here on 8.5 and works ok, so it is now added to the git.


yes, I have to run aclocal in gem2pdp, otherwise it wont build.

[paum@bookes externals]$ make gem2pdp
cd /home/paum/PK/AUR/pd-l2ork/src/pd-l2ork/externals/gem2pdp && autoconf
configure.ac:44 : error: possibly undefined 
macro: AM_SANITY_CHECK
  If this token and others are legitimate, please use 
m4_pattern_allow.

  See the Autoconf documentation.
configure.ac:46 : error: possibly undefined 
macro: AM_MAINTAINER_MODE
configure.ac:47 : error: possibly undefined 
macro: AM_WITH_DMALLOC
make: *** 
[/home/paum/PK/AUR/pd-l2ork/src/pd-l2ork/externals/gem2pdp/configure] 
Error 1


Do you see ? there is:
cd /gem2pdp && autoconf.
Shouldn't it  be:
cd gem2pdp && aclocal && autoconf ?


Yep. I added this to the git as well.


but running aclocal separately solves this problem as I have mentioned...

its pity that I cant have in system pd-l2ork and pd-extended together,
anyway I am trying to resolve putting puradata vanilla & pd-extended 
to live together. I know that on debian it is posiibile, so maybe 
there is some solution for pd-l2ork ?


They *can* co-exist but pd-l2ork needs to be installed as a binary in 
the /usr/local folder. This can be done as follows:


cd l2ork_addons/
./tar_em_up.sh -Fw (or -u)
cd ../../
tar -jxf pd-l2ork--.tar.bz2
cd pd-l2ork--
sudo make install

The other way would be to uninstall pd-utils and change conflicts within 
pd-l2ork to only conflict with that package and hope that pd-extended 
does not make it mandatory. Since I have no control over the last point 
(and Hans has indicated that he intends to make it mandatory), I see no 
incentive in trying to do the former. Should that change, I'll gladly 
look into it.




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Re: [PD] GUI toolkits and custom GUIs WAS: Integra Live 1.5 released

[Bill Gribble]

[This is getting pretty OT for pd-list, let's take further discussion to
private email or linux-audio-dev] 

Thanks for the Nova link, that thesis looks very interesting.  I hadn't
heard of Nova before.  Is it still active?  Looks like at least parts of
it merged into SuperCollider but I can't see that the main project is
still going. 

I am definitely still designing as I iterate... get a bit of
functionality working, try to use it to do something different than it
could do before, see what irritates me, repeat.  Both you and HC have
made good points that make me think I still have some work to do on
scoping and on layers/subpatches/abstractions. 

Your comments about dotted namespaces stump me a bit.  I see what you
mean about DNS address resolution, but very many programming languages
share a common notation and meaning for dotted access to
objects/subobjects.  I'm trying to make things look as much like "visual
python" as I can, so I would tend to use a similar syntax, but then
again accessing scopes is not exactly like accessing object attributes.
I will have to chew on it a while. 

Thanks,
Bill Gribble 

On Sat, 2013-01-26 at 15:55 -0800, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
> - Original Message -
> 
> > From: Bill Gribble 
> > To: Jonathan Wilkes 
> > Cc: Lorenzo Sutton ; "pd-list@iem.at" 
> > 
> > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 11:01 AM
> > Subject: Re: [PD] GUI toolkits and custom GUIs WAS: Integra Live 1.5 
> > released
> > 
> > On Fri, 2013-01-25 at 19:30 -0800, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
> >>  So inside [blah] let's say I have this:
> >> 
> >>  [r foo]
> >>  |
> >>  [print I_don_t_want_bob_to_trigger_this]
> >> 
> >>  I share my [blah] abstraction with Bob, who creates a [blah] instance in 
> > the same
> >>  patch where he has
> >> 
> >>  [Click here to start my thing(
> >>  |
> >>  [s foo]
> >> 
> >>  I suppose I don't know what "lexical hygiene" means.  But I 
> > think you have to have
> >>  a way to explicitly state that "binding symbol foo applies to 
> >> this< canvas and all
> >>  of its children, but not to any parents".  Do you have a way to do 
> > that without using
> >>  the $0 kludge?
> > 
> > PD's behavior and the $0 kludge falls out of the design where there is a
> > single namespace for s/r targets.  It's a programming language where
> > there are only global variables.  This makes some things easy
> > (communicating with other patches) and some things hard (keeping things
> > private, duplicating code blocks without copies stomping on each
> > other). 
> 
> The best solution I've seen is Tim Blechmann's use of [declare] in
> Nova (though one could use a different class rather than overloading
> a current one):
> 
> http://tim.klingt.org/publications/tim_blechmann_nova.pdf
> 
> I can't remember what his default behavior was when the binding-symbol
> isn't [declare]'d, but if it defaulted to global in that case then the
> system would be backwards compatible with Pd.  It's also trivial to learn,
> as the declaration is basically a stamp on a canvas that says "this name
> doesn't communicate with my parents, but it can communicate with all my
> children-- unless of course they declare the name for themselves."  He
> also has a mechanism to explicitly declare something global.
> 
> The benefit is that when a name is declared on a canvas, the meaning is
> trivial to understand: IF stamped THEN local to me and my unstamped children.
> The drawback is that on a canvas that doesn't have a declaration on it, the
> user doesn't immediately know how far up the tree the scope goes simply
> by looking at the patch (though a mechanism could easily be added to reveal
> that).
> 
> Your system has the benefit of sane defaults-- if I understand correctly, 
> names
> in your system will default to the behavior one currently gets in Pd by 
> prepending
> a $0 to the name.  That probably covers most of the common patching cases.
> The drawback is that for uncommon cases your namespace notation is
> non-trivial to learn, even though it makes the scope of uncommon cases 
> explicit.
> 
> (To get a sense of how difficult it is for a user to _truly_ grasp scope 
> levels using the
> "." separator, look at the history of scams based on shuffling the levels of
> domain names, changing the tld, and even putting the company name as
> a subdirectory of some nondescript domain name like acctmngr.com/microsoft.)
> 
> Anyway, I suppose that's enough commentary until I can actually play around
> with your system and see how it works.  (The png showing the IDE-style
> interface looks nice, though.)
> 
> > 
> > My design started from the presumption that all variables (names) are
> > local to a scope.  Each patch has its own "global" scope (which is the
> > default for new names), and can have named scopes within it.  This
> > sort-of follows a model of "lexical scoping" that you see in languages
> > like Lisp and Scheme where you can explicitly wrap a block of code in an
> > environment where variables just local to 

Re: [PD] raspberry pi user experience

[me.grimm]

i basically just ordered ever cheapo (<30$) usb stereo soundcard there
is on amazon. ill get the uni to pay.

i was having the same issue as katja. no keyboard, wifi, etc with usb speed 1

ill let the group know if any of the usb soundcards i ordered work
with speed 2 (hopefully) or speed 1 if i can find a usb 1.0
keyboard...

cheers
m


On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 8:33 AM, Cyrille Henry  wrote:
> i put it in front of everything :
>
> dwc_otg.speed=1 dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=ttyAMA0,115200
> kgdboc=ttyAMA0,115200 console=tty1 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootfstype=ext4
> elevator=deadline rootwait
>
> cheers
> c
>
> Le 27/01/2013 11:42, katja a écrit :
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Some people seem to have result with setting lower USB speed on the
>> Pi, but when I try this, the Pi doesn't even respond to keyboard
>> anymore. Checking /boot/cmdline.txt with another computer, I'm sure it
>> is not due to a typo. But the order of settings may be important?
>> Could anyone copy the full text of /boot/cmdline.txt for me, if you
>> have keyboard working with lowered USB speed? (I'm not talking about
>> good audio yet).
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Katja
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Thomas Grill  wrote:
>>>
>>> Message to self: it seems that one has to wait for updated RPi USB
>>> firmware/drivers to get USB 2.0 audio going.
>>> Obviously the "isochronous transfer mode" as used by audio interfaces is
>>> currently broken.
>>> gr~~~
>>>
>>>
>>> 2013/1/26 Thomas Grill 


 Hi all,
 for my USB audio class 2.0 device "Native Instruments Komplete Audio 6"
 i
 can't report such good news.
 There is constant irregular crackling, not only with Pd but also with
 aplay etc. It seems related to USB bandwidth, since turning on and off
 the
 inputs in Pd changes crackling frequency. The dwc_otg.speed setting is
 not
 usable for me, since the device is dependent on USB 2.0 operation.
 Any experiences with USB 2.0 audio devices under ALSA/rpi?
 thanks,
 gr~~~


 2013/1/26 Cyrille Henry 
>
>
> hello,
>
> I just install raspbian release and update it. then install pd 0.44.1
> (without any specific optimisation flag)
>
> I made the standard optimisation :
> * - rtprio 99
> * - memlock 10
> in /etc/security/limits.conf
>
> and
> dwc_otg.speed=1
> in /boot/cmdline.txt
> as suggested by miller
>
> I use a uca222 beringher (that cost about 20 or 25€) sound card.
> trying the test audio and midi, there is no click with 10ms audio
> buffer
> (with adc~ enable).
>
> this is with usb keyboard / mouse combo plugged and graphical interface
> (for the system and for pd).
>
> without X, audiobuf can be as low as 5ms
>
> having a usb keyboard did not change anything for me.
>
> i'm very happy
>
> cheers
> c
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Re: [PD] raspberry pi user experience

[katja]

Thanks Pierre and Cyrille.

It turned out that various keyboards and mouse just kill USB (when at
1.1) on the Pi. 'Keysonic Wireless Trackball Keyboard' happens to work
well. The lower USB speed brings substantial improvement of the audio
indeed. Now a real realtime kernel, that would probably improve things
further.

Katja



On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Cyrille Henry  wrote:
> i put it in front of everything :
>
> dwc_otg.speed=1 dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=ttyAMA0,115200
> kgdboc=ttyAMA0,115200 console=tty1 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootfstype=ext4
> elevator=deadline rootwait
>
> cheers
> c
>
> Le 27/01/2013 11:42, katja a écrit :
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Some people seem to have result with setting lower USB speed on the
>> Pi, but when I try this, the Pi doesn't even respond to keyboard
>> anymore. Checking /boot/cmdline.txt with another computer, I'm sure it
>> is not due to a typo. But the order of settings may be important?
>> Could anyone copy the full text of /boot/cmdline.txt for me, if you
>> have keyboard working with lowered USB speed? (I'm not talking about
>> good audio yet).
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Katja
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Thomas Grill  wrote:
>>>
>>> Message to self: it seems that one has to wait for updated RPi USB
>>> firmware/drivers to get USB 2.0 audio going.
>>> Obviously the "isochronous transfer mode" as used by audio interfaces is
>>> currently broken.
>>> gr~~~
>>>
>>>
>>> 2013/1/26 Thomas Grill 


 Hi all,
 for my USB audio class 2.0 device "Native Instruments Komplete Audio 6"
 i
 can't report such good news.
 There is constant irregular crackling, not only with Pd but also with
 aplay etc. It seems related to USB bandwidth, since turning on and off
 the
 inputs in Pd changes crackling frequency. The dwc_otg.speed setting is
 not
 usable for me, since the device is dependent on USB 2.0 operation.
 Any experiences with USB 2.0 audio devices under ALSA/rpi?
 thanks,
 gr~~~


 2013/1/26 Cyrille Henry 
>
>
> hello,
>
> I just install raspbian release and update it. then install pd 0.44.1
> (without any specific optimisation flag)
>
> I made the standard optimisation :
> * - rtprio 99
> * - memlock 10
> in /etc/security/limits.conf
>
> and
> dwc_otg.speed=1
> in /boot/cmdline.txt
> as suggested by miller
>
> I use a uca222 beringher (that cost about 20 or 25€) sound card.
> trying the test audio and midi, there is no click with 10ms audio
> buffer
> (with adc~ enable).
>
> this is with usb keyboard / mouse combo plugged and graphical interface
> (for the system and for pd).
>
> without X, audiobuf can be as low as 5ms
>
> having a usb keyboard did not change anything for me.
>
> i'm very happy
>
> cheers
> c
>
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Re: [PD] Building pd-l2ork on arch linux 64

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On 01/27/2013 09:54 AM, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
> On 01/27/2013 09:40 AM, Fero Kiraly wrote:
>> This patch should be good for all versions of tk/tcl. But should be tested,
>> I have only 8.6.
> 
> I tested it here on 8.5 and works ok, so it is now added to the git.
>>
>> yes, I have to run aclocal in gem2pdp, otherwise it wont build.
>>
>> [paum@bookes externals]$ make gem2pdp
>> cd /home/paum/PK/AUR/pd-l2ork/src/pd-l2ork/externals/gem2pdp && autoconf
>> configure.ac:44 : error: possibly undefined macro:
>> AM_SANITY_CHECK
>>   If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow.
>>   See the Autoconf documentation.
>> configure.ac:46 : error: possibly undefined macro:
>> AM_MAINTAINER_MODE
>> configure.ac:47 : error: possibly undefined macro:
>> AM_WITH_DMALLOC
>> make: ***
>> [/home/paum/PK/AUR/pd-l2ork/src/pd-l2ork/externals/gem2pdp/configure] Error 1
>>
>> Do you see ? there is:
>> cd /gem2pdp && autoconf.
>> Shouldn't it  be:
>> cd gem2pdp && aclocal && autoconf ?
> 
> Yep. I added this to the git as well.
>>
>> but running aclocal separately solves this problem as I have mentioned...
>>
>> its pity that I cant have in system pd-l2ork and pd-extended together,
>> anyway I am trying to resolve putting puradata vanilla & pd-extended to live
>> together. I know that on debian it is posiibile, so maybe there is some
>> solution for pd-l2ork ?
> 
> They *can* co-exist but pd-l2ork needs to be installed as a binary in the
> /usr/local folder. This can be done as follows:
> 
> cd l2ork_addons/
> ./tar_em_up.sh -Fw (or -u)
> cd ../../
> tar -jxf pd-l2ork--.tar.bz2
> cd pd-l2ork--
> sudo make install
> 
> The other way would be to uninstall pd-utils and change conflicts within
> pd-l2ork to only conflict with that package and hope that pd-extended does not
> make it mandatory. Since I have no control over the last point (and Hans has
> indicated that he intends to make it mandatory), I see no incentive in trying
> to do the former. Should that change, I'll gladly look into it.

The way we're handling it in Debian is that pdsend and pdreceive are in a
standalone package 'puredata-utils' and cyclist is in its own package
'cyclist'.  Then 'puredata' and the next version of 'pd-extended' will
"Recommend: puredata-utils cyclist" instead of including those files.  I think
you could easily do something similar in arch.

.hc


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Re: [PD] Jack support on Windows

[Thomas Mayer]

Hello,

on Windows only Jackdmp (Jackd2) is available, but the latest version of
Pd-extended (0.43.4-extended) does not work with Jackd2, at least on
Debian Wheezy.

It may be fixed, when this patch is applied
(http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478072&aid=3582739&group_id=55736),
because Jackd2 has removed jack_client_new () from their interface.

I have found another issue with jackd2, because hardware ports are not
reported with the register_port callback, at least not with the way I am
using it in my own software (a C#/Mono replacement for QJackCTL
https://github.com/residuum/MonoMultiJack), but it probably is an issue
in my code.

Hth,
Thomas

On 16.01.2013 18:58, Esteban Viveros wrote:
> Hello list,
> 
> Excuse the hassle... But I think this very important ..
> 
> The windows version of pd-extended 0.43 don't have support to Jack..
> 
> It would be great can connect my new pd extended release to ableton live to
> play a little..
> 
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Re: [PD] Building pd-l2ork on arch linux 64

[Fero Kiraly]

thanks Hans.

yes, I think it is possibile to do it in Arch, and I will try. I am not
programmer, so it takes me a long time, but i want to finish that..
My aim is to make available on Arch all 3 packages (vanilla, extended,
lork) and give them space to live together

fk.
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Re: [PD] Raspberry Pi as rt guitar effect processor : proof of concept

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Wow, that's awesome!  I think you did a good job of illustrating the musical
potential :)

.hc

On 01/27/2013 11:00 AM, Pierre Massat wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwJNeouLqgQ&feature=youtu.be
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> It's working !!! :)
> It looks like a revolution to me. The effect in the second half is a
> sampler based on the phase-vocoder patch by Miller Puckette.
> I've set Pd to use a 16 ms buffer to get it to work without dropouts. It's
> a bit high but this is a demanding patch.
> I'll be documenting this on my blog, and i'd be glad to have feedback from
> you, about working/non-working audio interfaces for instance.
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Pierre.
> 
> 
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Re: [PD] raspberry pi user experience

[Miller Puckette]

I heard suggestions on the Pi sites (I forget exactly where) that the USB
2.0 implementation isn't compatible with a large variety of USB 2.0 devices
(including for instance the Griffin iMic).  So I don't think the issue is
the load that USB 2.0 puts on the Pi, it's simply bugs.  But I gather nobody
is in a hurry to get them fixed - the attitude in Cambridge is that it's the
devices' fault, not the Pi's.

I have beem suspecting that my keyboard is also incompatible with the Pi at
USB 1.1 speed.  I haven't tried other keyboards yet since I'm usually happy
to ssh in without any other USB devices (besides audio and ethernet)
talking to the Pi.  But this is not always true so soon enough I'll have to
try other keyboards so I can get the thing working as a standalone computer.

cheers
Miller

On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 04:50:16PM +0100, katja wrote:
> Thanks Pierre and Cyrille.
> 
> It turned out that various keyboards and mouse just kill USB (when at
> 1.1) on the Pi. 'Keysonic Wireless Trackball Keyboard' happens to work
> well. The lower USB speed brings substantial improvement of the audio
> indeed. Now a real realtime kernel, that would probably improve things
> further.
> 
> Katja
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Cyrille Henry  wrote:
> > i put it in front of everything :
> >
> > dwc_otg.speed=1 dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=ttyAMA0,115200
> > kgdboc=ttyAMA0,115200 console=tty1 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootfstype=ext4
> > elevator=deadline rootwait
> >
> > cheers
> > c
> >
> > Le 27/01/2013 11:42, katja a écrit :
> >
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> Some people seem to have result with setting lower USB speed on the
> >> Pi, but when I try this, the Pi doesn't even respond to keyboard
> >> anymore. Checking /boot/cmdline.txt with another computer, I'm sure it
> >> is not due to a typo. But the order of settings may be important?
> >> Could anyone copy the full text of /boot/cmdline.txt for me, if you
> >> have keyboard working with lowered USB speed? (I'm not talking about
> >> good audio yet).
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Katja
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Thomas Grill  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Message to self: it seems that one has to wait for updated RPi USB
> >>> firmware/drivers to get USB 2.0 audio going.
> >>> Obviously the "isochronous transfer mode" as used by audio interfaces is
> >>> currently broken.
> >>> gr~~~
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 2013/1/26 Thomas Grill 
> 
> 
>  Hi all,
>  for my USB audio class 2.0 device "Native Instruments Komplete Audio 6"
>  i
>  can't report such good news.
>  There is constant irregular crackling, not only with Pd but also with
>  aplay etc. It seems related to USB bandwidth, since turning on and off
>  the
>  inputs in Pd changes crackling frequency. The dwc_otg.speed setting is
>  not
>  usable for me, since the device is dependent on USB 2.0 operation.
>  Any experiences with USB 2.0 audio devices under ALSA/rpi?
>  thanks,
>  gr~~~
> 
> 
>  2013/1/26 Cyrille Henry 
> >
> >
> > hello,
> >
> > I just install raspbian release and update it. then install pd 0.44.1
> > (without any specific optimisation flag)
> >
> > I made the standard optimisation :
> > * - rtprio 99
> > * - memlock 10
> > in /etc/security/limits.conf
> >
> > and
> > dwc_otg.speed=1
> > in /boot/cmdline.txt
> > as suggested by miller
> >
> > I use a uca222 beringher (that cost about 20 or 25€) sound card.
> > trying the test audio and midi, there is no click with 10ms audio
> > buffer
> > (with adc~ enable).
> >
> > this is with usb keyboard / mouse combo plugged and graphical interface
> > (for the system and for pd).
> >
> > without X, audiobuf can be as low as 5ms
> >
> > having a usb keyboard did not change anything for me.
> >
> > i'm very happy
> >
> > cheers
> > c
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Re: [PD] Jack support on Windows

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On 01/27/2013 10:59 AM, Thomas Mayer wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> on Windows only Jackdmp (Jackd2) is available, but the latest version of
> Pd-extended (0.43.4-extended) does not work with Jackd2, at least on
> Debian Wheezy.

Does Pd-vanilla 0.43 or 0.44?  Or does Pd+jackd2 not work anywhere yet?

> It may be fixed, when this patch is applied
> (http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478072&aid=3582739&group_id=55736),
> because Jackd2 has removed jack_client_new () from their interface.

That patch is already included Pd-extended 0.43.4, so it won't change
Esteban's situation.

.hc

> I have found another issue with jackd2, because hardware ports are not
> reported with the register_port callback, at least not with the way I am
> using it in my own software (a C#/Mono replacement for QJackCTL
> https://github.com/residuum/MonoMultiJack), but it probably is an issue
> in my code.



> 
> Hth,
> Thomas
> 
> On 16.01.2013 18:58, Esteban Viveros wrote:
>> Hello list,
>>
>> Excuse the hassle... But I think this very important ..
>>
>> The windows version of pd-extended 0.43 don't have support to Jack..
>>
>> It would be great can connect my new pd extended release to ableton live to
>> play a little..
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [PD] Jack support on Windows

[Thomas Mayer]

On 27.01.2013 18:09, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> On 01/27/2013 10:59 AM, Thomas Mayer wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> on Windows only Jackdmp (Jackd2) is available, but the latest version of
>> Pd-extended (0.43.4-extended) does not work with Jackd2, at least on
>> Debian Wheezy.
> 
> Does Pd-vanilla 0.43 or 0.44?  Or does Pd+jackd2 not work anywhere yet?

I have not tried Pd vanilla yet, but will try so in the next days and
then report back.

Best regards,
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Re: [PD] Jack support on Windows

[Patrice Colet]

jackdmp has always worked with pd on windows because it has been using ASIO 
drivers, but with two channels only...

also I'm still using pdvst for playing with Ableton Live on windows, if not in 
debug mode, it's rather stable, and even if it's a 0.37 pd version, we can do a 
lot of thing with, like opening sockets and send MIDI or VST parameters, even 
running vocoder patches, etc ... In other words, no need for jackd, no need for 
maxmsp in Ableton Live...

Would jackd work with more than two in/out channels on windows?

Colet Patrice

- Mail original -
> De: "Thomas Mayer" 
> À: pd-list@iem.at
> Envoyé: Dimanche 27 Janvier 2013 16:59:55
> Objet: Re: [PD] Jack support on Windows
> 
> Hello,
> 
> on Windows only Jackdmp (Jackd2) is available, but the latest version
> of
> Pd-extended (0.43.4-extended) does not work with Jackd2, at least on
> Debian Wheezy.
> 
> It may be fixed, when this patch is applied
> (http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478072&aid=3582739&group_id=55736),
> because Jackd2 has removed jack_client_new () from their interface.
> 
> I have found another issue with jackd2, because hardware ports are
> not
> reported with the register_port callback, at least not with the way I
> am
> using it in my own software (a C#/Mono replacement for QJackCTL
> https://github.com/residuum/MonoMultiJack), but it probably is an
> issue
> in my code.
> 
> Hth,
> Thomas
> 
> On 16.01.2013 18:58, Esteban Viveros wrote:
> > Hello list,
> > 
> > Excuse the hassle... But I think this very important ..
> > 
> > The windows version of pd-extended 0.43 don't have support to
> > Jack..
> > 
> > It would be great can connect my new pd extended release to ableton
> > live to
> > play a little..
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Re: [PD] Jack support on Windows

[Esteban Viveros]

Perhaps... I have a FTP and in linux I only can have 2 outputs with them.
With the m-audio drivers I have 4 outputs..

Some time ago I tried to run pdvst without sucess. The matter is only put
to run pd-extended 0.43.4 with jackd in windows.. Even as I have MaxForLive
working in my windows software set... But years ago I didn't have these
softwares... And it would be great pepople with the same problems I was
have can be run pd with jackd in windows with some facilities... That can
do the people to dispend energy in learn pd and not to try put it to work...


2013/1/27 Patrice Colet 

> jackdmp has always worked with pd on windows because it has been using
> ASIO drivers, but with two channels only...
>
> also I'm still using pdvst for playing with Ableton Live on windows, if
> not in debug mode, it's rather stable, and even if it's a 0.37 pd version,
> we can do a lot of thing with, like opening sockets and send MIDI or VST
> parameters, even running vocoder patches, etc ... In other words, no need
> for jackd, no need for maxmsp in Ableton Live...
>
> Would jackd work with more than two in/out channels on windows?
>
> Colet Patrice
>
> - Mail original -
> > De: "Thomas Mayer" 
> > À: pd-list@iem.at
> > Envoyé: Dimanche 27 Janvier 2013 16:59:55
> > Objet: Re: [PD] Jack support on Windows
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > on Windows only Jackdmp (Jackd2) is available, but the latest version
> > of
> > Pd-extended (0.43.4-extended) does not work with Jackd2, at least on
> > Debian Wheezy.
> >
> > It may be fixed, when this patch is applied
> > (
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=478072&aid=3582739&group_id=55736
> ),
> > because Jackd2 has removed jack_client_new () from their interface.
> >
> > I have found another issue with jackd2, because hardware ports are
> > not
> > reported with the register_port callback, at least not with the way I
> > am
> > using it in my own software (a C#/Mono replacement for QJackCTL
> > https://github.com/residuum/MonoMultiJack), but it probably is an
> > issue
> > in my code.
> >
> > Hth,
> > Thomas
> >
> > On 16.01.2013 18:58, Esteban Viveros wrote:
> > > Hello list,
> > >
> > > Excuse the hassle... But I think this very important ..
> > >
> > > The windows version of pd-extended 0.43 don't have support to
> > > Jack..
> > >
> > > It would be great can connect my new pd extended release to ableton
> > > live to
> > > play a little..
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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[PD] comport on raspberry

[Cyrille Henry]

hello,

i try the comport object on raspberry pi.
it can send perfectly, but receiving data hang pd.
data can be seen using :
cat /dev/ttyANA0
so it's not a problem with the pi.

is there any other object to receive serial data?

thanks
Cyrille

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Re: [PD] Jack support on Windows

[Patrice Colet]

> De: "Esteban Viveros" 

> Some time ago I tried to run pdvst without sucess.

ah if you put the vststuff.dll into vstplugin directory, and the pdvst folder 
that contains vststuff.pd patches vststuff.pdv files along with the vst host 
executable (it should be 'Program' folder for Ableton Live) it should be ok.

I've started some time ago to give a try into recompiling pdvst with a recent 
pd version, but no success yet.
It would be nice to have some patches to apply into pd-extended sources for 
having an actual pdvst version, but if I'm the only one interested into using 
this, it might not be worth the effort.

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Re: [PD] Raspberry Pi as rt guitar effect processor : proof of concept

[katja]

Congratulations Pierre! You're Guitar Extended concept is really great.

cheers,
Katja



On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Pierre Massat  wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwJNeouLqgQ&feature=youtu.be
>
> Dear all,
>
> It's working !!! :)
> It looks like a revolution to me. The effect in the second half is a sampler
> based on the phase-vocoder patch by Miller Puckette.
> I've set Pd to use a 16 ms buffer to get it to work without dropouts. It's a
> bit high but this is a demanding patch.
> I'll be documenting this on my blog, and i'd be glad to have feedback from
> you, about working/non-working audio interfaces for instance.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Pierre.
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Re: [PD] gpio on the raspberry pi from within pd ?

[Charles Goyard]

Hi,

Miller Puckette wrote:
> Since writnig that I think I found a good toolset and C api, called
> WiringPi, on:
> 
> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/

Real nice, it can use both /dev/mem and /sys/class/gpio interface. And
it comes with a command-line utility to setup the sys/class/gpio.

It really sound like the way to go.

Cheers,
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Re: [PD] raspberry pi user experience

[katja]

Both are already mentioned but I'd like to confirm that these do work
on RPi (provided the USB speed is lowered as described in this
thread): iMic and Behringer UCA202.

Katja


On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 5:51 PM, Miller Puckette  wrote:
> I heard suggestions on the Pi sites (I forget exactly where) that the USB
> 2.0 implementation isn't compatible with a large variety of USB 2.0 devices
> (including for instance the Griffin iMic).  So I don't think the issue is
> the load that USB 2.0 puts on the Pi, it's simply bugs.  But I gather nobody
> is in a hurry to get them fixed - the attitude in Cambridge is that it's the
> devices' fault, not the Pi's.
>
> I have beem suspecting that my keyboard is also incompatible with the Pi at
> USB 1.1 speed.  I haven't tried other keyboards yet since I'm usually happy
> to ssh in without any other USB devices (besides audio and ethernet)
> talking to the Pi.  But this is not always true so soon enough I'll have to
> try other keyboards so I can get the thing working as a standalone computer.
>
> cheers
> Miller
>
> On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 04:50:16PM +0100, katja wrote:
>> Thanks Pierre and Cyrille.
>>
>> It turned out that various keyboards and mouse just kill USB (when at
>> 1.1) on the Pi. 'Keysonic Wireless Trackball Keyboard' happens to work
>> well. The lower USB speed brings substantial improvement of the audio
>> indeed. Now a real realtime kernel, that would probably improve things
>> further.
>>
>> Katja
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Cyrille Henry  wrote:
>> > i put it in front of everything :
>> >
>> > dwc_otg.speed=1 dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=ttyAMA0,115200
>> > kgdboc=ttyAMA0,115200 console=tty1 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootfstype=ext4
>> > elevator=deadline rootwait
>> >
>> > cheers
>> > c
>> >
>> > Le 27/01/2013 11:42, katja a écrit :
>> >
>> >> Hello,
>> >>
>> >> Some people seem to have result with setting lower USB speed on the
>> >> Pi, but when I try this, the Pi doesn't even respond to keyboard
>> >> anymore. Checking /boot/cmdline.txt with another computer, I'm sure it
>> >> is not due to a typo. But the order of settings may be important?
>> >> Could anyone copy the full text of /boot/cmdline.txt for me, if you
>> >> have keyboard working with lowered USB speed? (I'm not talking about
>> >> good audio yet).
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> Katja
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Thomas Grill  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Message to self: it seems that one has to wait for updated RPi USB
>> >>> firmware/drivers to get USB 2.0 audio going.
>> >>> Obviously the "isochronous transfer mode" as used by audio interfaces is
>> >>> currently broken.
>> >>> gr~~~
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> 2013/1/26 Thomas Grill 
>> 
>> 
>>  Hi all,
>>  for my USB audio class 2.0 device "Native Instruments Komplete Audio 6"
>>  i
>>  can't report such good news.
>>  There is constant irregular crackling, not only with Pd but also with
>>  aplay etc. It seems related to USB bandwidth, since turning on and off
>>  the
>>  inputs in Pd changes crackling frequency. The dwc_otg.speed setting is
>>  not
>>  usable for me, since the device is dependent on USB 2.0 operation.
>>  Any experiences with USB 2.0 audio devices under ALSA/rpi?
>>  thanks,
>>  gr~~~
>> 
>> 
>>  2013/1/26 Cyrille Henry 
>> >
>> >
>> > hello,
>> >
>> > I just install raspbian release and update it. then install pd 0.44.1
>> > (without any specific optimisation flag)
>> >
>> > I made the standard optimisation :
>> > * - rtprio 99
>> > * - memlock 10
>> > in /etc/security/limits.conf
>> >
>> > and
>> > dwc_otg.speed=1
>> > in /boot/cmdline.txt
>> > as suggested by miller
>> >
>> > I use a uca222 beringher (that cost about 20 or 25€) sound card.
>> > trying the test audio and midi, there is no click with 10ms audio
>> > buffer
>> > (with adc~ enable).
>> >
>> > this is with usb keyboard / mouse combo plugged and graphical interface
>> > (for the system and for pd).
>> >
>> > without X, audiobuf can be as low as 5ms
>> >
>> > having a usb keyboard did not change anything for me.
>> >
>> > i'm very happy
>> >
>> > cheers
>> > c
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Re: [PD] GUI toolkits and custom GUIs WAS: Integra Live 1.5 released

[Jonathan Wilkes]

- Original Message -

> From: Bill Gribble 
> To: Jonathan Wilkes 
> Cc: Lorenzo Sutton ; "pd-list@iem.at" 
> 
> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [PD] GUI toolkits and custom GUIs WAS: Integra Live 1.5 released
> 
> [This is getting pretty OT for pd-list, let's take further discussion to
> private email or linux-audio-dev] 

I think it belongs here because we're talking about scope
within a Pd GUI.  It is relevant to Pd.

> 
> Thanks for the Nova link, that thesis looks very interesting.  I hadn't
> heard of Nova before.  Is it still active?  Looks like at least parts of
> it merged into SuperCollider but I can't see that the main project is
> still going. 

It's not active any longer, but I like the way it describes scope handling.

> 
> I am definitely still designing as I iterate... get a bit of
> functionality working, try to use it to do something different than it
> could do before, see what irritates me, repeat.  Both you and HC have
> made good points that make me think I still have some work to do on
> scoping and on layers/subpatches/abstractions. 
> 
> Your comments about dotted namespaces stump me a bit.  I see what you
> mean about DNS address resolution, but very many programming languages
> share a common notation and meaning for dotted access to
> objects/subobjects.

The beginners' primers for those languages usually start out with a
proposition like, "Ok, we know this stuff looks cryptic, but if you stick
with it a world of possibilities will open up  that would otherwise
be difficult or tedious to implement without this syntax." In Pd the barriers
are different-- they have to do with right-to-left ordering, hot vs cold inlets,
abstractions, depth first message-passing, and selector interpretation (i.e.,
lists with one arg often get interpreted as a float or symbol), not to mention
DSP fun.  If while learning Pd the user is confronted with dot
notation in the context of scope or namespacing, they have to learn that
concept but now without the benefit of it opening up higher-level possibilities
because the rest of the language isn't built around that syntax nor the
techniques it represents.  So it just becomes another barrier.

It's tricky because in a way [declare] and friends fit awkwardly
into the dataflow paradigm-- they sit alone outside the active chains of
objects.  I imagine this is why Max just sidesteps the issue by having
[pv] to store variables local to a canvas.  Similarly, Ivica uses [phub foo] for
presets in Pd-l2ork in a similar way to how Nova uses [declare]-- it sets
the binding symbol for that canvas and its children (including abstractions).
Still, that leaves out nonlocal signal sends, abstraction locality, data 
structure
locality, and a lot else that would benefit from a more systematic approach.
But do keep in mind that Max works alright in a lot of cases for a lot of users,
so whatever the approach is it should stay out of the way 75% of the time
and be approachable/accessible the other 25%.


> I'm trying to make things look as much like 
> "visual
> python" as I can, so I would tend to use a similar syntax, but then
> again accessing scopes is not exactly like accessing object attributes.

The dot notation can be a lot of things. Member data is usually an
ancillary inlet.  Methods are selectors of incoming messages.  Scope is
up for grabs.  GUI attributes are, too.

I think if [import] could load libraries per patch instead of globally,
and if abstractions could somehow override externals when they
precede them in the search path, namespaces would work properly.

-Jonathan


> I will have to chew on it a while. 
> 
> Thanks,
> Bill Gribble 
> 
> On Sat, 2013-01-26 at 15:55 -0800, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
>>  - Original Message -
>> 
>>  > From: Bill Gribble 
>>  > To: Jonathan Wilkes 
>>  > Cc: Lorenzo Sutton ; 
> "pd-list@iem.at" 
>>  > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 11:01 AM
>>  > Subject: Re: [PD] GUI toolkits and custom GUIs WAS: Integra Live 1.5 
> released
>>  > 
>>  > On Fri, 2013-01-25 at 19:30 -0800, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
>>  >>  So inside [blah] let's say I have this:
>>  >> 
>>  >>  [r foo]
>>  >>  |
>>  >>  [print I_don_t_want_bob_to_trigger_this]
>>  >> 
>>  >>  I share my [blah] abstraction with Bob, who creates a [blah] 
> instance in 
>>  > the same
>>  >>  patch where he has
>>  >> 
>>  >>  [Click here to start my thing(
>>  >>  |
>>  >>  [s foo]
>>  >> 
>>  >>  I suppose I don't know what "lexical hygiene" 
> means.  But I 
>>  > think you have to have
>>  >>  a way to explicitly state that "binding symbol foo applies 
> to 
>>  >> this< canvas and all
>>  >>  of its children, but not to any parents".  Do you have a way 
> to do 
>>  > that without using
>>  >>  the $0 kludge?
>>  > 
>>  > PD's behavior and the $0 kludge falls out of the design where 
> there is a
>>  > single namespace for s/r targets.  It's a programming language 
> where
>>  > there are only global variables.  This makes some things easy

Re: [PD] GUI toolkits and custom GUIs WAS: Integra Live 1.5 released

[IOhannes zmölnig]

On 01/27/2013 04:09 PM, Bill Gribble wrote:
> [This is getting pretty OT for pd-list, let's take further discussion to
> private email or linux-audio-dev]

it's OT if you consider that the subject is "GUI toolkits".
i don't think it is OT for a pd-related list, though maybe pd-dev is a 
slightly better place.


>
> Thanks for the Nova link, that thesis looks very interesting.  I hadn't
> heard of Nova before.  Is it still active?  Looks like at least parts of
> it merged into SuperCollider but I can't see that the main project is
> still going.

nova became supernova, and supernova is now an official alternative 
scsynth implementation for SC3 (it even comes with SC3, but afaik is not 
the default synth engine yet(?))



gfamdr
IOhannes

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[PD] Solution for deleting files via pd?

[Sebastian Valenzuela]

Hi list,

My Pd patch creates and saves new audio files to a designated folder on my
desktop. I would like to have Pd delete these files every time I open my
patch ([loadbang]).

I've heard the [shell] object is a possibility, but i'm not too keen on
terminal commands or how they will pertain to [shell]...

Can anyone please give me an example of a command I would send to [shell]
to delete all files within a specified folder on my desktop? If this isn't
the best way to do it, is there another possibility through Pd?

Thank you for your time,
Sebastian
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Re: [PD] Building pd-l2ork on arch linux 64

[Fero Kiraly]

ivica, thank for applying my patch.
now everything works.

I am not sure if ot is completed . this is my /usr/lib/pd-lork/extra/ :

adaptive
arraysize
bassemu~
boids
bonk~
bsaylor
choice
complex-mod~-help.pd
complex-mod~.pd
comport
controctopus
creb
cxc
cyclone
earplug~
ekext
expr~
expr~.pd_linux
expr.pd_linux
ext13
fexpr~.pd_linux
fiddle~
flatgui
freeverb~
Gem
gem2pdp-help.pd
gem2pdp.pd_linux
gem2pdp-README.txt
ggee
hcs
hexloader
hid
hilbert~-help.pd
hilbert~.pd
iem16
iem_adaptfilt
iem_ambi
iem_bin_ambi
iem_delay
iemgui
iemguts
iemlib
iemmatrix
iem_roomsim
iem_spec2
iem_tab
iemxmlrpc
jasch_lib
jmmmp
la-kitchen
libdir
list-abs
loop~
lrshift~
Makefile.am
makefile.subdir
mapping
markex
maxlib
memento
memento-p
mjlib
moocow
moonlib
motex
mrpeach
nsend
oscx
output~-help.pd
output~.pd
pan
parazit-help.pd
parazit.pd
pd~
pdcontainer
pddp
pdogg
pdp
pdp2gem-help.pd
pdp2gem.pd_linux
pd-wavelet
pique
pix_2pdp-help.pd
pix_2pdp.pd_linux
pixeltango
plugin~
pmpd
purepd
README.txt
rev1-final.pd
rev1~-help.pd
rev1~.pd
rev1-stage.pd
rev2~-help.pd
rev2~.pd
rev3~-help.pd
rev3~.pd
rradical
rtc
sfruit
sigmund~
sigpack
smlib
stdout
timestretch
tof
unauthorized
vanilla
vbap
windowing
zexy
zexy.pd


is something missing there ? I think yes  K12 or ?

fk.
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Re: [PD] Building pd-l2ork on arch linux 64

[Ivica Bukvic]

Compare it to l2ork build script l2ork_addons/tar_em_up.sh. You are missing
a number of externals, plus k12.
On Jan 27, 2013 4:39 PM, "Fero Kiraly"  wrote:

> ivica, thank for applying my patch.
> now everything works.
>
> I am not sure if ot is completed . this is my /usr/lib/pd-lork/extra/ :
>
> adaptive
> arraysize
> bassemu~
> boids
> bonk~
> bsaylor
> choice
> complex-mod~-help.pd
> complex-mod~.pd
> comport
> controctopus
> creb
> cxc
> cyclone
> earplug~
> ekext
> expr~
> expr~.pd_linux
> expr.pd_linux
> ext13
> fexpr~.pd_linux
> fiddle~
> flatgui
> freeverb~
> Gem
> gem2pdp-help.pd
> gem2pdp.pd_linux
> gem2pdp-README.txt
> ggee
> hcs
> hexloader
> hid
> hilbert~-help.pd
> hilbert~.pd
> iem16
> iem_adaptfilt
> iem_ambi
> iem_bin_ambi
> iem_delay
> iemgui
> iemguts
> iemlib
> iemmatrix
> iem_roomsim
> iem_spec2
> iem_tab
> iemxmlrpc
> jasch_lib
> jmmmp
> la-kitchen
> libdir
> list-abs
> loop~
> lrshift~
> Makefile.am
> makefile.subdir
> mapping
> markex
> maxlib
> memento
> memento-p
> mjlib
> moocow
> moonlib
> motex
> mrpeach
> nsend
> oscx
> output~-help.pd
> output~.pd
> pan
> parazit-help.pd
> parazit.pd
> pd~
> pdcontainer
> pddp
> pdogg
> pdp
> pdp2gem-help.pd
> pdp2gem.pd_linux
> pd-wavelet
> pique
> pix_2pdp-help.pd
> pix_2pdp.pd_linux
> pixeltango
> plugin~
> pmpd
> purepd
> README.txt
> rev1-final.pd
> rev1~-help.pd
> rev1~.pd
> rev1-stage.pd
> rev2~-help.pd
> rev2~.pd
> rev3~-help.pd
> rev3~.pd
> rradical
> rtc
> sfruit
> sigmund~
> sigpack
> smlib
> stdout
> timestretch
> tof
> unauthorized
> vanilla
> vbap
> windowing
> zexy
> zexy.pd
>
>
> is something missing there ? I think yes  K12 or ?
>
> fk.
>
>
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Re: [PD] Solution for deleting files via pd?

[Patrice Colet]

Hello,

in bash shell that would be something like 
[rm -rf /home/Sebastian/Desktop/folder(
|
[ggee/shell]

in ms-dos you can't specify a directory that is not relative to the patch (long 
story),
a simple way would be about making a batch script with this inside:

cd c:\Users\Sebastian\Desktop
rd %1

along with your patch

and then

[open yourBatchScript.bat folderToDelete(
|
[moonlib/popen]

or

[yourBatchScript.bat folderToDelete(
|
[motex/system]


Colet Patrice

- Mail original -
> De: "Sebastian Valenzuela" 
> À: "Pure Data Forum" 
> Envoyé: Dimanche 27 Janvier 2013 22:25:48
> Objet: [PD] Solution for deleting files via pd?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi list,
> 
> 
> My Pd patch creates and saves new audio files to a designated folder
> on my desktop. I would like to have Pd delete these files every time
> I open my patch ([loadbang]).
> 
> 
> I've heard the [shell] object is a possibility, but i'm not too keen
> on terminal commands or how they will pertain to [shell]...
> 
> 
> Can anyone please give me an example of a command I would send to
> [shell] to delete all files within a specified folder on my desktop?
> If this isn't the best way to do it, is there another possibility
> through Pd?
> 
> 
> Thank you for your time,
> Sebastian
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [PD] Building pd-l2ork on arch linux 64

[Patrice Colet]

Hello,

will pd-l2ork be available like pd-extended in https://aur.archlinux.org ?

Colet Patrice

- Mail original -
> De: "Ivica Bukvic" 
> À: "Fero Kiraly" 
> Cc: "pd-list" 
> Envoyé: Dimanche 27 Janvier 2013 22:49:28
> Objet: Re: [PD] Building pd-l2ork on arch linux 64
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Compare it to l2ork build script l2ork_addons/tar_em_up.sh. You are
> missing a number of externals, plus k12.
> On Jan 27, 2013 4:39 PM, "Fero Kiraly" < fero.kir...@gmail.com >
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> ivica, thank for applying my patch.
> now everything works.
> 
> 
> I am not sure if ot is completed . this is my /usr/lib/pd-lork/extra/
> :
> 
> 
> 
> adaptive
> arraysize
> bassemu~
> boids
> bonk~
> bsaylor
> choice
> complex-mod~-help.pd
> complex-mod~.pd
> comport
> controctopus
> creb
> cxc
> cyclone
> earplug~
> ekext
> expr~
> expr~.pd_linux
> expr.pd_linux
> ext13
> fexpr~.pd_linux
> fiddle~
> flatgui
> freeverb~
> Gem
> gem2pdp-help.pd
> gem2pdp.pd_linux
> gem2pdp-README.txt
> ggee
> hcs
> hexloader
> hid
> hilbert~-help.pd
> hilbert~.pd
> iem16
> iem_adaptfilt
> iem_ambi
> iem_bin_ambi
> iem_delay
> iemgui
> iemguts
> iemlib
> iemmatrix
> iem_roomsim
> iem_spec2
> iem_tab
> iemxmlrpc
> jasch_lib
> jmmmp
> la-kitchen
> libdir
> list-abs
> loop~
> lrshift~
> Makefile.am
> makefile.subdir
> mapping
> markex
> maxlib
> memento
> memento-p
> mjlib
> moocow
> moonlib
> motex
> mrpeach
> nsend
> oscx
> output~-help.pd
> output~.pd
> pan
> parazit-help.pd
> parazit.pd
> pd~
> pdcontainer
> pddp
> pdogg
> pdp
> pdp2gem-help.pd
> pdp2gem.pd_linux
> pd-wavelet
> pique
> pix_2pdp-help.pd
> pix_2pdp.pd_linux
> pixeltango
> plugin~
> pmpd
> purepd
> README.txt
> rev1-final.pd
> rev1~-help.pd
> rev1~.pd
> rev1-stage.pd
> rev2~-help.pd
> rev2~.pd
> rev3~-help.pd
> rev3~.pd
> rradical
> rtc
> sfruit
> sigmund~
> sigpack
> smlib
> stdout
> timestretch
> tof
> unauthorized
> vanilla
> vbap
> windowing
> zexy
> zexy.pd
> 
> 
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> is something missing there ? I think yes  K12 or ?
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Re: [PD] Building pd-l2ork on arch linux 64

[Fero Kiraly]

i added this:

disis_netreceive-help.pd
disis_netreceive.pd_linux
disis_netsend-help.pd
disis_netsend.pd_linux
disis_phasor~-help.pd
disis_phasor~.pd_linux
disis_wiimote-help.pd
disis_wiimote.pd_linux
K12
patch_name-help.pd
patch_name.pd_linux

spectdelay cant build. missing cd ../spectdelay/spectdelay~
./linux-install.sh


2013/1/27 Ivica Bukvic 

> Compare it to l2ork build script l2ork_addons/tar_em_up.sh. You are
> missing a number of externals, plus k12.
> On Jan 27, 2013 4:39 PM, "Fero Kiraly"  wrote:
>
>> ivica, thank for applying my patch.
>> now everything works.
>>
>> I am not sure if ot is completed . this is my /usr/lib/pd-lork/extra/ :
>>
>> adaptive
>> arraysize
>> bassemu~
>> boids
>> bonk~
>> bsaylor
>> choice
>> complex-mod~-help.pd
>> complex-mod~.pd
>> comport
>> controctopus
>> creb
>> cxc
>> cyclone
>> earplug~
>> ekext
>> expr~
>> expr~.pd_linux
>> expr.pd_linux
>> ext13
>> fexpr~.pd_linux
>> fiddle~
>> flatgui
>> freeverb~
>> Gem
>> gem2pdp-help.pd
>> gem2pdp.pd_linux
>> gem2pdp-README.txt
>> ggee
>> hcs
>> hexloader
>> hid
>> hilbert~-help.pd
>> hilbert~.pd
>> iem16
>> iem_adaptfilt
>> iem_ambi
>> iem_bin_ambi
>> iem_delay
>> iemgui
>> iemguts
>> iemlib
>> iemmatrix
>> iem_roomsim
>> iem_spec2
>> iem_tab
>> iemxmlrpc
>> jasch_lib
>> jmmmp
>> la-kitchen
>> libdir
>> list-abs
>> loop~
>> lrshift~
>> Makefile.am
>> makefile.subdir
>> mapping
>> markex
>> maxlib
>> memento
>> memento-p
>> mjlib
>> moocow
>> moonlib
>> motex
>> mrpeach
>> nsend
>> oscx
>> output~-help.pd
>> output~.pd
>> pan
>> parazit-help.pd
>> parazit.pd
>> pd~
>> pdcontainer
>> pddp
>> pdogg
>> pdp
>> pdp2gem-help.pd
>> pdp2gem.pd_linux
>> pd-wavelet
>> pique
>> pix_2pdp-help.pd
>> pix_2pdp.pd_linux
>> pixeltango
>> plugin~
>> pmpd
>> purepd
>> README.txt
>> rev1-final.pd
>> rev1~-help.pd
>> rev1~.pd
>> rev1-stage.pd
>> rev2~-help.pd
>> rev2~.pd
>> rev3~-help.pd
>> rev3~.pd
>> rradical
>> rtc
>> sfruit
>> sigmund~
>> sigpack
>> smlib
>> stdout
>> timestretch
>> tof
>> unauthorized
>> vanilla
>> vbap
>> windowing
>> zexy
>> zexy.pd
>>
>>
>> is something missing there ? I think yes  K12 or ?
>>
>> fk.
>>
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[PD] Scope in Pd (Was: Re: GUI toolkits and custom GUIs WAS: Integra Live 1.5 released)

[Jonathan Wilkes]

- Original Message -

> From: IOhannes zmölnig 
> To: pd-list@iem.at
> Cc: 
> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 3:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [PD] GUI toolkits and custom GUIs WAS: Integra Live 1.5 released
> 
> On 01/27/2013 04:09 PM, Bill Gribble wrote:
>>  [This is getting pretty OT for pd-list, let's take further discussion 
> to
>>  private email or linux-audio-dev]
> 
> it's OT if you consider that the subject is "GUI toolkits".

Right.

> i don't think it is OT for a pd-related list, though maybe pd-dev is a 
> slightly better place.
> 
>> 
>>  Thanks for the Nova link, that thesis looks very interesting.  I hadn't
>>  heard of Nova before.  Is it still active?  Looks like at least parts of
>>  it merged into SuperCollider but I can't see that the main project is
>>  still going.
> 
> nova became supernova, and supernova is now an official alternative scsynth 
> implementation for SC3 (it even comes with SC3, but afaik is not the default 
> synth engine yet(?))
> 
> 
> gfamdr
> IOhannes
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Re: [PD] Building pd-l2ork on arch linux 64

[Ivica Bukvic]

Are you sure? spectdelay builds here perfectly fine. Did you try/copy l2ork
build script?
On Jan 27, 2013 5:32 PM, "Fero Kiraly"  wrote:

> i added this:
>
> disis_netreceive-help.pd
> disis_netreceive.pd_linux
> disis_netsend-help.pd
> disis_netsend.pd_linux
> disis_phasor~-help.pd
> disis_phasor~.pd_linux
> disis_wiimote-help.pd
> disis_wiimote.pd_linux
> K12
> patch_name-help.pd
> patch_name.pd_linux
>
> spectdelay cant build. missing cd ../spectdelay/spectdelay~
>  ./linux-install.sh
>
>
> 2013/1/27 Ivica Bukvic 
>
>> Compare it to l2ork build script l2ork_addons/tar_em_up.sh. You are
>> missing a number of externals, plus k12.
>> On Jan 27, 2013 4:39 PM, "Fero Kiraly"  wrote:
>>
>>> ivica, thank for applying my patch.
>>> now everything works.
>>>
>>> I am not sure if ot is completed . this is my /usr/lib/pd-lork/extra/ :
>>>
>>> adaptive
>>> arraysize
>>> bassemu~
>>> boids
>>> bonk~
>>> bsaylor
>>> choice
>>> complex-mod~-help.pd
>>> complex-mod~.pd
>>> comport
>>> controctopus
>>> creb
>>> cxc
>>> cyclone
>>> earplug~
>>> ekext
>>> expr~
>>> expr~.pd_linux
>>> expr.pd_linux
>>> ext13
>>> fexpr~.pd_linux
>>> fiddle~
>>> flatgui
>>> freeverb~
>>> Gem
>>> gem2pdp-help.pd
>>> gem2pdp.pd_linux
>>> gem2pdp-README.txt
>>> ggee
>>> hcs
>>> hexloader
>>> hid
>>> hilbert~-help.pd
>>> hilbert~.pd
>>> iem16
>>> iem_adaptfilt
>>> iem_ambi
>>> iem_bin_ambi
>>> iem_delay
>>> iemgui
>>> iemguts
>>> iemlib
>>> iemmatrix
>>> iem_roomsim
>>> iem_spec2
>>> iem_tab
>>> iemxmlrpc
>>> jasch_lib
>>> jmmmp
>>> la-kitchen
>>> libdir
>>> list-abs
>>> loop~
>>> lrshift~
>>> Makefile.am
>>> makefile.subdir
>>> mapping
>>> markex
>>> maxlib
>>> memento
>>> memento-p
>>> mjlib
>>> moocow
>>> moonlib
>>> motex
>>> mrpeach
>>> nsend
>>> oscx
>>> output~-help.pd
>>> output~.pd
>>> pan
>>> parazit-help.pd
>>> parazit.pd
>>> pd~
>>> pdcontainer
>>> pddp
>>> pdogg
>>> pdp
>>> pdp2gem-help.pd
>>> pdp2gem.pd_linux
>>> pd-wavelet
>>> pique
>>> pix_2pdp-help.pd
>>> pix_2pdp.pd_linux
>>> pixeltango
>>> plugin~
>>> pmpd
>>> purepd
>>> README.txt
>>> rev1-final.pd
>>> rev1~-help.pd
>>> rev1~.pd
>>> rev1-stage.pd
>>> rev2~-help.pd
>>> rev2~.pd
>>> rev3~-help.pd
>>> rev3~.pd
>>> rradical
>>> rtc
>>> sfruit
>>> sigmund~
>>> sigpack
>>> smlib
>>> stdout
>>> timestretch
>>> tof
>>> unauthorized
>>> vanilla
>>> vbap
>>> windowing
>>> zexy
>>> zexy.pd
>>>
>>>
>>> is something missing there ? I think yes  K12 or ?
>>>
>>> fk.
>>>
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Re: [PD] Building pd-l2ork on arch linux 64

[Fero Kiraly]

in tar_em_up.sh you have:
cd ../spectdelay/spectdelay~
./linux-install.sh


but there is no spectdelay/spectdelay~ folder ???


2013/1/27 Ivica Bukvic 

> Are you sure? spectdelay builds here perfectly fine. Did you try/copy
> l2ork build script?
> On Jan 27, 2013 5:32 PM, "Fero Kiraly"  wrote:
>
>> i added this:
>>
>> disis_netreceive-help.pd
>> disis_netreceive.pd_linux
>> disis_netsend-help.pd
>> disis_netsend.pd_linux
>> disis_phasor~-help.pd
>> disis_phasor~.pd_linux
>> disis_wiimote-help.pd
>> disis_wiimote.pd_linux
>> K12
>> patch_name-help.pd
>> patch_name.pd_linux
>>
>> spectdelay cant build. missing cd ../spectdelay/spectdelay~
>>  ./linux-install.sh
>>
>>
>> 2013/1/27 Ivica Bukvic 
>>
>>> Compare it to l2ork build script l2ork_addons/tar_em_up.sh. You are
>>> missing a number of externals, plus k12.
>>> On Jan 27, 2013 4:39 PM, "Fero Kiraly"  wrote:
>>>
 ivica, thank for applying my patch.
 now everything works.

 I am not sure if ot is completed . this is my /usr/lib/pd-lork/extra/ :

 adaptive
 arraysize
 bassemu~
 boids
 bonk~
 bsaylor
 choice
 complex-mod~-help.pd
 complex-mod~.pd
 comport
 controctopus
 creb
 cxc
 cyclone
 earplug~
 ekext
 expr~
 expr~.pd_linux
 expr.pd_linux
 ext13
 fexpr~.pd_linux
 fiddle~
 flatgui
 freeverb~
 Gem
 gem2pdp-help.pd
 gem2pdp.pd_linux
 gem2pdp-README.txt
 ggee
 hcs
 hexloader
 hid
 hilbert~-help.pd
 hilbert~.pd
 iem16
 iem_adaptfilt
 iem_ambi
 iem_bin_ambi
 iem_delay
 iemgui
 iemguts
 iemlib
 iemmatrix
 iem_roomsim
 iem_spec2
 iem_tab
 iemxmlrpc
 jasch_lib
 jmmmp
 la-kitchen
 libdir
 list-abs
 loop~
 lrshift~
 Makefile.am
 makefile.subdir
 mapping
 markex
 maxlib
 memento
 memento-p
 mjlib
 moocow
 moonlib
 motex
 mrpeach
 nsend
 oscx
 output~-help.pd
 output~.pd
 pan
 parazit-help.pd
 parazit.pd
 pd~
 pdcontainer
 pddp
 pdogg
 pdp
 pdp2gem-help.pd
 pdp2gem.pd_linux
 pd-wavelet
 pique
 pix_2pdp-help.pd
 pix_2pdp.pd_linux
 pixeltango
 plugin~
 pmpd
 purepd
 README.txt
 rev1-final.pd
 rev1~-help.pd
 rev1~.pd
 rev1-stage.pd
 rev2~-help.pd
 rev2~.pd
 rev3~-help.pd
 rev3~.pd
 rradical
 rtc
 sfruit
 sigmund~
 sigpack
 smlib
 stdout
 timestretch
 tof
 unauthorized
 vanilla
 vbap
 windowing
 zexy
 zexy.pd


 is something missing there ? I think yes  K12 or ?

 fk.


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Re: [PD] Solution for deleting files via pd?

[Martin Peach]

On 2013-01-27 16:25, Sebastian Valenzuela wrote:

Hi list,

My Pd patch creates and saves new audio files to a designated folder on
my desktop. I would like to have Pd delete these files every time I open
my patch ([loadbang]).

I've heard the [shell] object is a possibility, but i'm not too keen on
terminal commands or how they will pertain to [shell]...

Can anyone please give me an example of a command I would send to
[shell] to delete all files within a specified folder on my desktop? If
this isn't the best way to do it, is there another possibility through Pd?



You can use pdlua for this kind of thing.
See the attached patch. Right-click inside the [deletefile] object to 
open deletefile.pdlua in an editor.


Martin

#N canvas 398 519 752 300 10;
#X obj 153 109 deletefile;
#X msg 153 64 delete /home/martin/pd_patches/test.xxx;
#X obj 153 143 tgl 15 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -262144 -1 -1 1
1;
#X text 175 142 outputs 1 on success;
#X connect 0 0 2 0;
#X connect 1 0 0 0;
--[[ 

--deletefile
--  Symbol input is name of file to delete
-- Martin Peach 20130127
--]]

-- Pd class

local deletefile = pd.Class:new():register("deletefile")

function deletefile:initialize(name, atoms)
  self.inlets = 1
  self.outlets = 1
  return true
end

function deletefile:in_1_delete(atom)
  pd.post(type(atom[1]))
  if type(atom[1])=="string" then
--self:outlet(1, "symbol", {atom[1]})
f = io.open(atom[1], "r")
if (f == nil) then
  pd.post("can't open " .. atom[1])
else
  pd.post("deleting " .. atom[1])
  result = os.remove(atom[1])
  if (result) then q = 1
  else
q = 0
  end
  self:outlet(1, "float", {q})
end
  else
pd.post("need a file name")
  end
end
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Re: [PD] Building pd-l2ork on arch linux 64

[Fero Kiraly]

yes, in one - two days.
I am finishing it now.

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Re: [PD] Building pd-l2ork on arch linux 64

[Ivica Bukvic]

It is relative, when you look previous calls, you will notice you are
already in the l2ork_addons/ folder at that point, so check inside that
folder.
On Jan 27, 2013 6:18 PM, "Fero Kiraly"  wrote:

>
>
> in tar_em_up.sh you have:
> cd ../spectdelay/spectdelay~
> ./linux-install.sh
>
>
> but there is no spectdelay/spectdelay~ folder ???
>
>
> 2013/1/27 Ivica Bukvic 
>
>> Are you sure? spectdelay builds here perfectly fine. Did you try/copy
>> l2ork build script?
>>  On Jan 27, 2013 5:32 PM, "Fero Kiraly"  wrote:
>>
>>> i added this:
>>>
>>> disis_netreceive-help.pd
>>> disis_netreceive.pd_linux
>>> disis_netsend-help.pd
>>> disis_netsend.pd_linux
>>> disis_phasor~-help.pd
>>> disis_phasor~.pd_linux
>>> disis_wiimote-help.pd
>>> disis_wiimote.pd_linux
>>> K12
>>> patch_name-help.pd
>>> patch_name.pd_linux
>>>
>>> spectdelay cant build. missing cd ../spectdelay/spectdelay~
>>>  ./linux-install.sh
>>>
>>>
>>> 2013/1/27 Ivica Bukvic 
>>>
 Compare it to l2ork build script l2ork_addons/tar_em_up.sh. You are
 missing a number of externals, plus k12.
 On Jan 27, 2013 4:39 PM, "Fero Kiraly"  wrote:

> ivica, thank for applying my patch.
> now everything works.
>
> I am not sure if ot is completed . this is my /usr/lib/pd-lork/extra/ :
>
> adaptive
> arraysize
> bassemu~
> boids
> bonk~
> bsaylor
> choice
> complex-mod~-help.pd
> complex-mod~.pd
> comport
> controctopus
> creb
> cxc
> cyclone
> earplug~
> ekext
> expr~
> expr~.pd_linux
> expr.pd_linux
> ext13
> fexpr~.pd_linux
> fiddle~
> flatgui
> freeverb~
> Gem
> gem2pdp-help.pd
> gem2pdp.pd_linux
> gem2pdp-README.txt
> ggee
> hcs
> hexloader
> hid
> hilbert~-help.pd
> hilbert~.pd
> iem16
> iem_adaptfilt
> iem_ambi
> iem_bin_ambi
> iem_delay
> iemgui
> iemguts
> iemlib
> iemmatrix
> iem_roomsim
> iem_spec2
> iem_tab
> iemxmlrpc
> jasch_lib
> jmmmp
> la-kitchen
> libdir
> list-abs
> loop~
> lrshift~
> Makefile.am
> makefile.subdir
> mapping
> markex
> maxlib
> memento
> memento-p
> mjlib
> moocow
> moonlib
> motex
> mrpeach
> nsend
> oscx
> output~-help.pd
> output~.pd
> pan
> parazit-help.pd
> parazit.pd
> pd~
> pdcontainer
> pddp
> pdogg
> pdp
> pdp2gem-help.pd
> pdp2gem.pd_linux
> pd-wavelet
> pique
> pix_2pdp-help.pd
> pix_2pdp.pd_linux
> pixeltango
> plugin~
> pmpd
> purepd
> README.txt
> rev1-final.pd
> rev1~-help.pd
> rev1~.pd
> rev1-stage.pd
> rev2~-help.pd
> rev2~.pd
> rev3~-help.pd
> rev3~.pd
> rradical
> rtc
> sfruit
> sigmund~
> sigpack
> smlib
> stdout
> timestretch
> tof
> unauthorized
> vanilla
> vbap
> windowing
> zexy
> zexy.pd
>
>
> is something missing there ? I think yes  K12 or ?
>
> fk.
>
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Re: [PD] Building pd-l2ork on arch linux 64

[Fero Kiraly]

ok. I am doing something wrong,
i can see this folder here
https://github.com/pd-l2ork/pd/tree/master/l2ork_addons/spectdelay

but when downloadig using this commad:
git clone git://github.com/pd-l2ork/pd.git

i dont have folder spectdelay~..
everything else seems be dowloaded, only this folder is missing...

I dont know what is wrong.




2013/1/28 Ivica Bukvic 

> It is relative, when you look previous calls, you will notice you are
> already in the l2ork_addons/ folder at that point, so check inside that
> folder.
> On Jan 27, 2013 6:18 PM, "Fero Kiraly"  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> in tar_em_up.sh you have:
>> cd ../spectdelay/spectdelay~
>> ./linux-install.sh
>>
>>
>> but there is no spectdelay/spectdelay~ folder ???
>>
>>
>> 2013/1/27 Ivica Bukvic 
>>
>>> Are you sure? spectdelay builds here perfectly fine. Did you try/copy
>>> l2ork build script?
>>>  On Jan 27, 2013 5:32 PM, "Fero Kiraly"  wrote:
>>>
 i added this:

 disis_netreceive-help.pd
 disis_netreceive.pd_linux
 disis_netsend-help.pd
 disis_netsend.pd_linux
 disis_phasor~-help.pd
 disis_phasor~.pd_linux
 disis_wiimote-help.pd
 disis_wiimote.pd_linux
 K12
 patch_name-help.pd
 patch_name.pd_linux

 spectdelay cant build. missing cd ../spectdelay/spectdelay~
  ./linux-install.sh


 2013/1/27 Ivica Bukvic 

> Compare it to l2ork build script l2ork_addons/tar_em_up.sh. You are
> missing a number of externals, plus k12.
> On Jan 27, 2013 4:39 PM, "Fero Kiraly"  wrote:
>
>> ivica, thank for applying my patch.
>> now everything works.
>>
>> I am not sure if ot is completed . this is my /usr/lib/pd-lork/extra/
>> :
>>
>> adaptive
>> arraysize
>> bassemu~
>> boids
>> bonk~
>> bsaylor
>> choice
>> complex-mod~-help.pd
>> complex-mod~.pd
>> comport
>> controctopus
>> creb
>> cxc
>> cyclone
>> earplug~
>> ekext
>> expr~
>> expr~.pd_linux
>> expr.pd_linux
>> ext13
>> fexpr~.pd_linux
>> fiddle~
>> flatgui
>> freeverb~
>> Gem
>> gem2pdp-help.pd
>> gem2pdp.pd_linux
>> gem2pdp-README.txt
>> ggee
>> hcs
>> hexloader
>> hid
>> hilbert~-help.pd
>> hilbert~.pd
>> iem16
>> iem_adaptfilt
>> iem_ambi
>> iem_bin_ambi
>> iem_delay
>> iemgui
>> iemguts
>> iemlib
>> iemmatrix
>> iem_roomsim
>> iem_spec2
>> iem_tab
>> iemxmlrpc
>> jasch_lib
>> jmmmp
>> la-kitchen
>> libdir
>> list-abs
>> loop~
>> lrshift~
>> Makefile.am
>> makefile.subdir
>> mapping
>> markex
>> maxlib
>> memento
>> memento-p
>> mjlib
>> moocow
>> moonlib
>> motex
>> mrpeach
>> nsend
>> oscx
>> output~-help.pd
>> output~.pd
>> pan
>> parazit-help.pd
>> parazit.pd
>> pd~
>> pdcontainer
>> pddp
>> pdogg
>> pdp
>> pdp2gem-help.pd
>> pdp2gem.pd_linux
>> pd-wavelet
>> pique
>> pix_2pdp-help.pd
>> pix_2pdp.pd_linux
>> pixeltango
>> plugin~
>> pmpd
>> purepd
>> README.txt
>> rev1-final.pd
>> rev1~-help.pd
>> rev1~.pd
>> rev1-stage.pd
>> rev2~-help.pd
>> rev2~.pd
>> rev3~-help.pd
>> rev3~.pd
>> rradical
>> rtc
>> sfruit
>> sigmund~
>> sigpack
>> smlib
>> stdout
>> timestretch
>> tof
>> unauthorized
>> vanilla
>> vbap
>> windowing
>> zexy
>> zexy.pd
>>
>>
>> is something missing there ? I think yes  K12 or ?
>>
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[PD] remote desktop on the Pi and other questions about it

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

Hello Pi people, I just got one of these to mess with, getting it to run
the OS was very simple, need help with other stuff.

What do you recommend for remote desktopping (controlling the Pi via a
laptop, by having the laptop's keyboard/trackpad as input and getting the
screen to show what's going on).

I know there's something called VNC around, but it seems to come in
different softwares, which one(s) have you been using. Or, better put, just
about anyone works?

I got a macbook air I'd like to use that way, by the way, so I need to run
from a MAC OS system.

To see if I got this straight, all the hardware you need to plug them
together is a crossover ethernet cable, right?

That way, can the Pi also feed from the internet I'm getting into my
macbook air vi wi-fi while it's being remotely controlled by the same
laptop via the same cable?

I guess that's it for now.

I hope we can have sometime soon a nice page with several info on how to
run Pd in the Pi in many ways. I could help on writting this kind of
tutorial

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Re: [PD] Building pd-l2ork on arch linux 64

[Ivica Bukvic]

Don't know what to tell you other than it works here and that is not much
help. spectdelay~ folder is inside l2ork_addons/spectdelay/
On Jan 27, 2013 7:20 PM, "Fero Kiraly"  wrote:

> ok. I am doing something wrong,
> i can see this folder here
> https://github.com/pd-l2ork/pd/tree/master/l2ork_addons/spectdelay
>
> but when downloadig using this commad:
> git clone git://github.com/pd-l2ork/pd.git
>
> i dont have folder spectdelay~..
> everything else seems be dowloaded, only this folder is missing...
>
> I dont know what is wrong.
>
>
>
>
> 2013/1/28 Ivica Bukvic 
>
>> It is relative, when you look previous calls, you will notice you are
>> already in the l2ork_addons/ folder at that point, so check inside that
>> folder.
>> On Jan 27, 2013 6:18 PM, "Fero Kiraly"  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> in tar_em_up.sh you have:
>>> cd ../spectdelay/spectdelay~
>>> ./linux-install.sh
>>>
>>>
>>> but there is no spectdelay/spectdelay~ folder ???
>>>
>>>
>>> 2013/1/27 Ivica Bukvic 
>>>
 Are you sure? spectdelay builds here perfectly fine. Did you try/copy
 l2ork build script?
  On Jan 27, 2013 5:32 PM, "Fero Kiraly"  wrote:

> i added this:
>
> disis_netreceive-help.pd
> disis_netreceive.pd_linux
> disis_netsend-help.pd
> disis_netsend.pd_linux
> disis_phasor~-help.pd
> disis_phasor~.pd_linux
> disis_wiimote-help.pd
> disis_wiimote.pd_linux
> K12
> patch_name-help.pd
> patch_name.pd_linux
>
> spectdelay cant build. missing cd ../spectdelay/spectdelay~
>  ./linux-install.sh
>
>
> 2013/1/27 Ivica Bukvic 
>
>> Compare it to l2ork build script l2ork_addons/tar_em_up.sh. You are
>> missing a number of externals, plus k12.
>> On Jan 27, 2013 4:39 PM, "Fero Kiraly"  wrote:
>>
>>> ivica, thank for applying my patch.
>>> now everything works.
>>>
>>> I am not sure if ot is completed . this is my
>>> /usr/lib/pd-lork/extra/ :
>>>
>>> adaptive
>>> arraysize
>>> bassemu~
>>> boids
>>> bonk~
>>> bsaylor
>>> choice
>>> complex-mod~-help.pd
>>> complex-mod~.pd
>>> comport
>>> controctopus
>>> creb
>>> cxc
>>> cyclone
>>> earplug~
>>> ekext
>>> expr~
>>> expr~.pd_linux
>>> expr.pd_linux
>>> ext13
>>> fexpr~.pd_linux
>>> fiddle~
>>> flatgui
>>> freeverb~
>>> Gem
>>> gem2pdp-help.pd
>>> gem2pdp.pd_linux
>>> gem2pdp-README.txt
>>> ggee
>>> hcs
>>> hexloader
>>> hid
>>> hilbert~-help.pd
>>> hilbert~.pd
>>> iem16
>>> iem_adaptfilt
>>> iem_ambi
>>> iem_bin_ambi
>>> iem_delay
>>> iemgui
>>> iemguts
>>> iemlib
>>> iemmatrix
>>> iem_roomsim
>>> iem_spec2
>>> iem_tab
>>> iemxmlrpc
>>> jasch_lib
>>> jmmmp
>>> la-kitchen
>>> libdir
>>> list-abs
>>> loop~
>>> lrshift~
>>> Makefile.am
>>> makefile.subdir
>>> mapping
>>> markex
>>> maxlib
>>> memento
>>> memento-p
>>> mjlib
>>> moocow
>>> moonlib
>>> motex
>>> mrpeach
>>> nsend
>>> oscx
>>> output~-help.pd
>>> output~.pd
>>> pan
>>> parazit-help.pd
>>> parazit.pd
>>> pd~
>>> pdcontainer
>>> pddp
>>> pdogg
>>> pdp
>>> pdp2gem-help.pd
>>> pdp2gem.pd_linux
>>> pd-wavelet
>>> pique
>>> pix_2pdp-help.pd
>>> pix_2pdp.pd_linux
>>> pixeltango
>>> plugin~
>>> pmpd
>>> purepd
>>> README.txt
>>> rev1-final.pd
>>> rev1~-help.pd
>>> rev1~.pd
>>> rev1-stage.pd
>>> rev2~-help.pd
>>> rev2~.pd
>>> rev3~-help.pd
>>> rev3~.pd
>>> rradical
>>> rtc
>>> sfruit
>>> sigmund~
>>> sigpack
>>> smlib
>>> stdout
>>> timestretch
>>> tof
>>> unauthorized
>>> vanilla
>>> vbap
>>> windowing
>>> zexy
>>> zexy.pd
>>>
>>>
>>> is something missing there ? I think yes  K12 or ?
>>>
>>> fk.
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Re: [PD] comport on raspberry

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

[comport] is quite thoroughly tested so I would be surprised if it is the
problem. Wini Ritsch, IOhannes, Martin Peach, and I (maybe others) have all
worked on it quite a bit.  It might be the question of what format the data is
in.  what is /dev/ttyANA0?  Usually [comport] is used with /dev/ttyS and
/dev/ttyUSB.

.hc

On 01/27/2013 01:16 PM, Cyrille Henry wrote:
> hello,
> 
> i try the comport object on raspberry pi.
> it can send perfectly, but receiving data hang pd.
> data can be seen using :
> cat /dev/ttyANA0
> so it's not a problem with the pi.
> 
> is there any other object to receive serial data?
> 
> thanks
> Cyrille
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Re: [PD] remote desktop on the Pi and other questions about it

[me.grimm]

I'm away from my computer so I could probably tell you more tomorrow.

I'm using tightvnc

http://elinux.org/RPi_VNC_Server

You can set it up so you can use "screen sharing" on Mac to have your rip 
desktop on your Mac.

That's what I do. It's different than what millers doing with x-forwarding.

Also with this you can get the rpi to show up in your finder side bar.

Hope that helps!
M


On Jan 27, 2013, at 7:40 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres  wrote:

> Hello Pi people, I just got one of these to mess with, getting it to run the 
> OS was very simple, need help with other stuff.
> 
> What do you recommend for remote desktopping (controlling the Pi via a 
> laptop, by having the laptop's keyboard/trackpad as input and getting the 
> screen to show what's going on).
> 
> I know there's something called VNC around, but it seems to come in different 
> softwares, which one(s) have you been using. Or, better put, just about 
> anyone works?
> 
> I got a macbook air I'd like to use that way, by the way, so I need to run 
> from a MAC OS system.
> 
> To see if I got this straight, all the hardware you need to plug them 
> together is a crossover ethernet cable, right?
> 
> That way, can the Pi also feed from the internet I'm getting into my macbook 
> air vi wi-fi while it's being remotely controlled by the same laptop via the 
> same cable?
> 
> I guess that's it for now.
> 
> I hope we can have sometime soon a nice page with several info on how to run 
> Pd in the Pi in many ways. I could help on writting this kind of tutorial
> 
> Cheers
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Re: [PD] Jack support on Windows

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On 01/27/2013 01:49 PM, Patrice Colet wrote:
> 
> 
>> De: "Esteban Viveros" 
> 
>> Some time ago I tried to run pdvst without sucess.
> 
> ah if you put the vststuff.dll into vstplugin directory, and the pdvst folder 
> that contains vststuff.pd patches vststuff.pdv files along with the vst host 
> executable (it should be 'Program' folder for Ableton Live) it should be ok.
> 
> I've started some time ago to give a try into recompiling pdvst with a recent 
> pd version, but no success yet.
> It would be nice to have some patches to apply into pd-extended sources for 
> having an actual pdvst version, but if I'm the only one interested into using 
> this, it might not be worth the effort.

I've never looked at those patches because I've never really used VSTs.  But
post them here and I'll look at them.  If its possible to include them, I'm up
for it.  I think I remember that pdvst has a custom scheduler.  The best thing
then would be to port it to the new pluggable scheduler stuff used by pd~

.hc

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Re: [PD] Solution for deleting files via pd?

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

If you're using Pd-extended 0.43.4, there is the 'tclfile' library, which
provides a bunch of objects for file operations:

http://puredata.info/downloads/tclfile/releases/0

Just drop the 'tclfile' folder into user library folder:
http://puredata.info/docs/faq/how-do-i-install-externals-and-help-files


.hc

On 01/27/2013 04:25 PM, Sebastian Valenzuela wrote:
> Hi list,
> 
> My Pd patch creates and saves new audio files to a designated folder on my
> desktop. I would like to have Pd delete these files every time I open my
> patch ([loadbang]).
> 
> I've heard the [shell] object is a possibility, but i'm not too keen on
> terminal commands or how they will pertain to [shell]...
> 
> Can anyone please give me an example of a command I would send to [shell]
> to delete all files within a specified folder on my desktop? If this isn't
> the best way to do it, is there another possibility through Pd?
> 
> Thank you for your time,
> Sebastian
> 
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Re: [PD] remote desktop on the Pi and other questions about it

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

nice, that's one of the things that came uo, and apparently there's a nica
guide on it:
http://4dc5.com/2012/06/12/setting-up-vnc-on-raspberry-pi-for-mac-access/

that should do, right? If the link above is very helpful, we could
reference it in the Pd site. This was very helpful too to install it
http://lifehacker.com/5976912/a-beginners-guide-to-diying-with-the-raspberry-pi

I have the pi, but no way to plug it in with monitors, ethernet, mouse and
keyboard yet, tomorrow I'll properly try it out.

Now, what about still being able to use the internet on the Pi while
connected to the laptop? Can it feed through the same cable, or do I need
to have some wi-fi receptor in the USB?

How do you do it Mark?

Cheers
Alex

2013/1/27 me.grimm 

> I'm away from my computer so I could probably tell you more tomorrow.
>
> I'm using tightvnc
>
> http://elinux.org/RPi_VNC_Server
>
> You can set it up so you can use "screen sharing" on Mac to have your rip
> desktop on your Mac.
>
> That's what I do. It's different than what millers doing with x-forwarding.
>
> Also with this you can get the rpi to show up in your finder side bar.
>
> Hope that helps!
> M
>
>
> On Jan 27, 2013, at 7:40 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres 
> wrote:
>
> Hello Pi people, I just got one of these to mess with, getting it to run
> the OS was very simple, need help with other stuff.
>
> What do you recommend for remote desktopping (controlling the Pi via a
> laptop, by having the laptop's keyboard/trackpad as input and getting the
> screen to show what's going on).
>
> I know there's something called VNC around, but it seems to come in
> different softwares, which one(s) have you been using. Or, better put, just
> about anyone works?
>
> I got a macbook air I'd like to use that way, by the way, so I need to run
> from a MAC OS system.
>
> To see if I got this straight, all the hardware you need to plug them
> together is a crossover ethernet cable, right?
>
> That way, can the Pi also feed from the internet I'm getting into my
> macbook air vi wi-fi while it's being remotely controlled by the same
> laptop via the same cable?
>
> I guess that's it for now.
>
> I hope we can have sometime soon a nice page with several info on how to
> run Pd in the Pi in many ways. I could help on writting this kind of
> tutorial
>
> Cheers
>
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Re: [PD] remote desktop on the Pi and other questions about it

[Miller Puckette]

... and to fill out the other possibility, it's also possible to install
the "X windows app" on Macintosh, get a terminal running inside X, then
ssh over to the pi (ssh -X ) - in which case the windows you open on
the pi should appear back on the Mac.  This might be the lowest-tech way.

cheers
Miller

On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 01:16:43AM -0200, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
> nice, that's one of the things that came uo, and apparently there's a nica
> guide on it:
> http://4dc5.com/2012/06/12/setting-up-vnc-on-raspberry-pi-for-mac-access/
> 
> that should do, right? If the link above is very helpful, we could
> reference it in the Pd site. This was very helpful too to install it
> http://lifehacker.com/5976912/a-beginners-guide-to-diying-with-the-raspberry-pi
> 
> I have the pi, but no way to plug it in with monitors, ethernet, mouse and
> keyboard yet, tomorrow I'll properly try it out.
> 
> Now, what about still being able to use the internet on the Pi while
> connected to the laptop? Can it feed through the same cable, or do I need
> to have some wi-fi receptor in the USB?
> 
> How do you do it Mark?
> 
> Cheers
> Alex
> 
> 2013/1/27 me.grimm 
> 
> > I'm away from my computer so I could probably tell you more tomorrow.
> >
> > I'm using tightvnc
> >
> > http://elinux.org/RPi_VNC_Server
> >
> > You can set it up so you can use "screen sharing" on Mac to have your rip
> > desktop on your Mac.
> >
> > That's what I do. It's different than what millers doing with x-forwarding.
> >
> > Also with this you can get the rpi to show up in your finder side bar.
> >
> > Hope that helps!
> > M
> >
> >
> > On Jan 27, 2013, at 7:40 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres 
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hello Pi people, I just got one of these to mess with, getting it to run
> > the OS was very simple, need help with other stuff.
> >
> > What do you recommend for remote desktopping (controlling the Pi via a
> > laptop, by having the laptop's keyboard/trackpad as input and getting the
> > screen to show what's going on).
> >
> > I know there's something called VNC around, but it seems to come in
> > different softwares, which one(s) have you been using. Or, better put, just
> > about anyone works?
> >
> > I got a macbook air I'd like to use that way, by the way, so I need to run
> > from a MAC OS system.
> >
> > To see if I got this straight, all the hardware you need to plug them
> > together is a crossover ethernet cable, right?
> >
> > That way, can the Pi also feed from the internet I'm getting into my
> > macbook air vi wi-fi while it's being remotely controlled by the same
> > laptop via the same cable?
> >
> > I guess that's it for now.
> >
> > I hope we can have sometime soon a nice page with several info on how to
> > run Pd in the Pi in many ways. I could help on writting this kind of
> > tutorial
> >
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Re: [PD] remote desktop on the Pi and other questions about it

[me.grimm]

Off the top of my head

System prefs -> sharing

I think it's Internet sharing

Share your Macs wifi -> Ethernet

That should work for cable connect.

I've been using this mini edimax wifi dongle and having it auto connect on boot 
to my local network. Then doing the "share screen" vnc thing...

Have fun!!

m


On Jan 27, 2013, at 10:16 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres  wrote:

> nice, that's one of the things that came uo, and apparently there's a nica 
> guide on it: 
> http://4dc5.com/2012/06/12/setting-up-vnc-on-raspberry-pi-for-mac-access/ 
> 
> that should do, right? If the link above is very helpful, we could reference 
> it in the Pd site. This was very helpful too to install it 
> http://lifehacker.com/5976912/a-beginners-guide-to-diying-with-the-raspberry-pi
> 
> I have the pi, but no way to plug it in with monitors, ethernet, mouse and 
> keyboard yet, tomorrow I'll properly try it out.
> 
> Now, what about still being able to use the internet on the Pi while 
> connected to the laptop? Can it feed through the same cable, or do I need to 
> have some wi-fi receptor in the USB?
> 
> How do you do it Mark?
> 
> Cheers
> Alex
> 
> 2013/1/27 me.grimm 
>> I'm away from my computer so I could probably tell you more tomorrow.
>> 
>> I'm using tightvnc
>> 
>> http://elinux.org/RPi_VNC_Server
>> 
>> You can set it up so you can use "screen sharing" on Mac to have your rip 
>> desktop on your Mac.
>> 
>> That's what I do. It's different than what millers doing with x-forwarding.
>> 
>> Also with this you can get the rpi to show up in your finder side bar.
>> 
>> Hope that helps!
>> M
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 27, 2013, at 7:40 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Pi people, I just got one of these to mess with, getting it to run 
>>> the OS was very simple, need help with other stuff.
>>> 
>>> What do you recommend for remote desktopping (controlling the Pi via a 
>>> laptop, by having the laptop's keyboard/trackpad as input and getting the 
>>> screen to show what's going on).
>>> 
>>> I know there's something called VNC around, but it seems to come in 
>>> different softwares, which one(s) have you been using. Or, better put, just 
>>> about anyone works?
>>> 
>>> I got a macbook air I'd like to use that way, by the way, so I need to run 
>>> from a MAC OS system.
>>> 
>>> To see if I got this straight, all the hardware you need to plug them 
>>> together is a crossover ethernet cable, right?
>>> 
>>> That way, can the Pi also feed from the internet I'm getting into my 
>>> macbook air vi wi-fi while it's being remotely controlled by the same 
>>> laptop via the same cable?
>>> 
>>> I guess that's it for now.
>>> 
>>> I hope we can have sometime soon a nice page with several info on how to 
>>> run Pd in the Pi in many ways. I could help on writting this kind of 
>>> tutorial
>>> 
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Re: [PD] remote desktop on the Pi and other questions about it

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

Nice, I figure it should work too... I didn't bother to get me a wi-fi
dongle and I don't want to anyway ;) I feel compelled to buy a battery for
it though, not that I need it at all so far.

Next step, I guess we could do a round up regarding USB audio, and also
post that on the Pd site.

cheers

2013/1/28 me.grimm 

> Off the top of my head
>
> System prefs -> sharing
>
> I think it's Internet sharing
>
> Share your Macs wifi -> Ethernet
>
> That should work for cable connect.
>
> I've been using this mini edimax wifi dongle and having it auto connect on
> boot to my local network. Then doing the "share screen" vnc thing...
>
> Have fun!!
>
> m
>
>
> On Jan 27, 2013, at 10:16 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres 
> wrote:
>
> nice, that's one of the things that came uo, and apparently there's a nica
> guide on it:
> http://4dc5.com/2012/06/12/setting-up-vnc-on-raspberry-pi-for-mac-access/
>
> that should do, right? If the link above is very helpful, we could
> reference it in the Pd site. This was very helpful too to install it
> http://lifehacker.com/5976912/a-beginners-guide-to-diying-with-the-raspberry-pi
>
> I have the pi, but no way to plug it in with monitors, ethernet, mouse and
> keyboard yet, tomorrow I'll properly try it out.
>
> Now, what about still being able to use the internet on the Pi while
> connected to the laptop? Can it feed through the same cable, or do I need
> to have some wi-fi receptor in the USB?
>
> How do you do it Mark?
>
> Cheers
> Alex
>
> 2013/1/27 me.grimm 
>
>> I'm away from my computer so I could probably tell you more tomorrow.
>>
>> I'm using tightvnc
>>
>> http://elinux.org/RPi_VNC_Server
>>
>> You can set it up so you can use "screen sharing" on Mac to have your rip
>> desktop on your Mac.
>>
>> That's what I do. It's different than what millers doing with
>> x-forwarding.
>>
>> Also with this you can get the rpi to show up in your finder side bar.
>>
>> Hope that helps!
>> M
>>
>>
>> On Jan 27, 2013, at 7:40 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Pi people, I just got one of these to mess with, getting it to run
>> the OS was very simple, need help with other stuff.
>>
>> What do you recommend for remote desktopping (controlling the Pi via a
>> laptop, by having the laptop's keyboard/trackpad as input and getting the
>> screen to show what's going on).
>>
>> I know there's something called VNC around, but it seems to come in
>> different softwares, which one(s) have you been using. Or, better put, just
>> about anyone works?
>>
>> I got a macbook air I'd like to use that way, by the way, so I need to
>> run from a MAC OS system.
>>
>> To see if I got this straight, all the hardware you need to plug them
>> together is a crossover ethernet cable, right?
>>
>> That way, can the Pi also feed from the internet I'm getting into my
>> macbook air vi wi-fi while it's being remotely controlled by the same
>> laptop via the same cable?
>>
>> I guess that's it for now.
>>
>> I hope we can have sometime soon a nice page with several info on how to
>> run Pd in the Pi in many ways. I could help on writting this kind of
>> tutorial
>>
>> Cheers
>>
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[PD] weird error when installing pd

[Pagano, Patrick]

Installing pd on linux from the website directions i get 

Install these packages without verification [y/N]? y
(Reading database ... 166579 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking pd-extended (from 
.../pd-extended_0.43.1~20120926-1~quantal1_i386.deb) ...
dpkg: error processing 
/var/cache/apt/archives/pd-extended_0.43.1~20120926-1~quantal1_i386.deb 
(--unpack):
 trying to overwrite '/usr/bin/cyclist', which is also in package cyclist 
0.1~alpha55-6
dpkg-deb: error: subprocess paste was killed by signal (Broken pipe)
Errors were encountered while processing:
 /var/cache/apt/archives/pd-extended_0.43.1~20120926-1~quantal1_i386.deb
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
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[PD] Patch that creates messages with multiple elements?

[Sebastian Valenzuela]

Hi,

How would I go about building something that takes a number, and creates a
message with THAT many consecutive numbers in it, starting with "1"?

For example: When I receive the number "7", my machine creates a message
that looks like [1 2 3 4 5 6 7(... or when I get "3" it creates [1 2 3(

I would appreciate any thoughts on this.

Thank you,
Sebastian
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Re: [PD] Patch that creates messages with multiple elements?

[Jonathan Wilkes]

>
> From: Sebastian Valenzuela 
>To: Pure Data Forum  
>Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 11:55 PM
>Subject: [PD] Patch that creates messages with multiple elements?
> 
>
>Hi,
>
>
>How would I go about building something that takes a number, and creates a 
>message with THAT many consecutive numbers in it, starting with "1"?
>
>
>For example: When I receive the number "7", my machine creates a message that 
>looks like [1 2 3 4 5 6 7(... or when I get "3" it creates [1 2 3(
>
>
>I would appreciate any thoughts on this.


[4(
|
[until]
|
[f 1]x[+ 1]

|
[add2 $1(
|
[( <--- empty message box

Of course you need to add something if you want it to start
from zero each time.


-Jonathan


>
>
>Thank you,
>Sebastian
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Re: [PD] weird error when installing pd

[IOhannes m zmölnig]

On 01/28/2013 05:43, Pagano, Patrick wrote:

Installing pd on linux from the website directions i get

Install these packages without verification [y/N]? y
(Reading database ... 166579 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking pd-extended (from 
.../pd-extended_0.43.1~20120926-1~quantal1_i386.deb) ...
dpkg: error processing 
/var/cache/apt/archives/pd-extended_0.43.1~20120926-1~quantal1_i386.deb 
(--unpack):
  trying to overwrite '/usr/bin/cyclist', which is also in package cyclist 
0.1~alpha55-6
dpkg-deb: error: subprocess paste was killed by signal (Broken pipe)
Errors were encountered while processing:
  /var/cache/apt/archives/pd-extended_0.43.1~20120926-1~quantal1_i386.deb
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)


there's an implicit package conflict (both "pd-extended" and "cyclist" 
try to install the same file and you try to install both packages at the 
same time).
usually, this is handled by marking the two packages to conflict with 
each other (make them mutually exclusive), or rather: mark one of the 
packages conflict with the other.


it seems that the pdx package does not have such a conflicts line, which 
i guess is a bug.


in the meantime, you can simply manually remove the "cyclist" package 
and install pdx only after that.


fgmasdr
IOhannes

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