Re: [PD] sample based engine sound for racing game

[Varun Nair]

Andy Farnell has some interesting procedural techniques for engine 
sounds in 'Designing Sound'. I've found better results combining some of 
his techniques with actual engine recordings.


You could go the 'traditional' method and record engine sounds at 
different RPMs and varispeed (read an array at different rates) and 
cross fade between them. It will take some effort but should take you 
somewhere.


If you want to design more realistic sounds it might be worth reading up 
about the techniques used in actual game engines (especially on load and 
off load sounds).


I'd made a prototype some time ago, in Max/MSP, that was a combination 
of granular resynthesis, additive synthesis and a bit of convolution. 
Not the most efficient technique, but it sounds quite alright. 
http://bit.ly/IkV7ao


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hi list,
>>
>>  does anyone has experience or tips to patch a realistc motorsound for
>>  racing game prototyping?
>>
>>  i wants to experiment with some motorsound loops to create some real
>>  engine noise...
>>
>>  for tips i'll be very happy
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.45-0 released

[Max]

There is one little annoyance:
if you select a GUI object, right click fro the properties and then go to 
change on of the fields in the dialog, you can't hit backspace, because this 
deletes the object and closes the properties dialog. Somehow the backspace 
takes effect on the canvas instead of the numbers of say changing the values of 
a slider.

but generally: amazing, thank you miller.
:)

m.

Am 23.08.2013 um 21:00 schrieb Miller Puckette :

> Hi all,
> 
> Pd version 0.45-0 is available on http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.htm
> or via git from sourceforge:
>  git clone git://git.code.sf.net/p/pure-data/pure-data
>  cd pure-data
>  git checkout -b 0.45
> 
> As always I'm sure there will be problems here and there - you're welcome
> to report them on the Pd mailing list (pd-list@iem.at) which is always the
> fastest way to get me to see them.
> 
> cheers
> Miller
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Re: [PD] Pure Data and Korg Monotribe

[martin brinkmann]

On 08/27/2013 05:41 AM, Pagano, Patrick wrote:

> I have a metro on about 200 triggering about 9 bangs for a [random 127] and 
> the values are bopping all over the place and i would like them to move 
> smoothly from random number to random number like a knob would. Can someone 
> help me out with that?
> Is line what i want? or Vline?

'line' should do the trick: you can for example connect a [pack f 200]
to the 'random', and a 'line' to the 'pack'. though maybe it is
more interessting to randomize the 'slide time' too...

bis denn!
martin

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Re: [PD] Pure Data and Korg Monotribe

[András Murányi]

On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 5:41 AM, Pagano, Patrick
wrote:

>
> Hello
>
>  I am wondering and hoping someone else has got one of these Korg
> Monotribes.
> I have mod-ed mine with the USBtribe http://www.usbtri.be/
> I am having a little bit of fun sending random values on channel 1 CC# 1,
> 7, 11, 16, 17, 80, 81 82 and 83 effectively glitching out the Synth
> portion.
>
>  Can someone give me an example of how to produce "smooth" random values?
>
>  I have a metro on about 200 triggering about 9 bangs for a [random 127]
> and the values are bopping all over the place and i would like them to move
> smoothly from random number to random number like a knob would. Can someone
> help me out with that?
> Is line what i want? or Vline?
>
>  pp
>

I guess you just answered your own question :o)
Or, if linear ramps are not satisfying, I'd experiment with an Array set to
bezier curves and read out at a higher resolution.

András
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[PD] send message to current pd-window

[Ingo]

I'trying to use a mouse button to toggle between edit mode on off.
I'm using [hid] to get the mouse button and I can send the message to a
specified window name.

But how can I send it to the current window that I am working in?

What would I have to use instead of "windowname"?

[s pd-"windowname"]

Thanks, Ingo


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Re: [PD] Pure Data and Korg Monotribe

[Pagano, Patrick]

Can you share an example? I think bezier would be ideal

Patrick Pagano B.S,M.F.A
Asst. in Digital Art and Science
Digital Worlds Institute
University of Florida
(352) 294-2020


On Aug 27, 2013, at 6:45 AM, "András Murányi" 
mailto:muran...@gmail.com>> wrote:

On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 5:41 AM, Pagano, Patrick 
mailto:p...@digitalworlds.ufl.edu>> wrote:

Hello

I am wondering and hoping someone else has got one of these Korg Monotribes.
I have mod-ed mine with the USBtribe http://www.usbtri.be/
I am having a little bit of fun sending random values on channel 1 CC# 1, 7, 
11, 16, 17, 80, 81 82 and 83 effectively glitching out the Synth portion.

Can someone give me an example of how to produce "smooth" random values?

I have a metro on about 200 triggering about 9 bangs for a [random 127] and the 
values are bopping all over the place and i would like them to move smoothly 
from random number to random number like a knob would. Can someone help me out 
with that?
Is line what i want? or Vline?

pp

I guess you just answered your own question :o)
Or, if linear ramps are not satisfying, I'd experiment with an Array set to 
bezier curves and read out at a higher resolution.

András
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Re: [PD] Pure Data and Korg Monotribe

[Pagano, Patrick]

Here is what i have so far, i was just playing a bit with the randomization of 
the CCs 
Is someone willing to share a patch that show MIDI values being smoothed? 
I will try to employ whatever anyone shares, so i am going to start with 
Claude's patch and see how it works. 



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On 08/27/2013 05:41 AM, Pagano, Patrick wrote:

> I have a metro on about 200 triggering about 9 bangs for a [random 127] and 
> the values are bopping all over the place and i would like them to move 
> smoothly from random number to random number like a knob would. Can someone 
> help me out with that?
> Is line what i want? or Vline?

'line' should do the trick: you can for example connect a [pack f 200]
to the 'random', and a 'line' to the 'pack'. though maybe it is
more interessting to randomize the 'slide time' too...

bis denn!
martin

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Re: [PD] send message to current pd-window

[Jonathan Wilkes]

On 08/27/2013 07:00 AM, Ingo wrote:

I'trying to use a mouse button to toggle between edit mode on off.
I'm using [hid] to get the mouse button and I can send the message to a
specified window name.

But how can I send it to the current window that I am working in?

What would I have to use instead of "windowname"?

[s pd-"windowname"]


[s pd-filename.pd]

or

[s pd-subpatchname]

To automatically figure out which window has the focus, I think
there's a cyclone object that does that.  Maybe [active] ?



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Re: [PD] Pure Data and Korg Monotribe

[András Murányi]

It was just an idea, which may or may not work. Unfortunately I don't have
patches.

András

On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 2:48 PM, Pagano, Patrick
wrote:

>  Can you share an example? I think bezier would be ideal
>
> Patrick Pagano B.S,M.F.A
> Asst. in Digital Art and Science
> Digital Worlds Institute
> University of Florida
> (352) 294-2020
>
>
> On Aug 27, 2013, at 6:45 AM, "András Murányi"  wrote:
>
>On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 5:41 AM, Pagano, Patrick <
> p...@digitalworlds.ufl.edu> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello
>>
>>  I am wondering and hoping someone else has got one of these Korg
>> Monotribes.
>> I have mod-ed mine with the USBtribe http://www.usbtri.be/
>> I am having a little bit of fun sending random values on channel 1 CC# 1,
>> 7, 11, 16, 17, 80, 81 82 and 83 effectively glitching out the Synth
>> portion.
>>
>>  Can someone give me an example of how to produce "smooth" random values?
>>
>>  I have a metro on about 200 triggering about 9 bangs for a [random 127]
>> and the values are bopping all over the place and i would like them to move
>> smoothly from random number to random number like a knob would. Can someone
>> help me out with that?
>> Is line what i want? or Vline?
>>
>>  pp
>>
>
>  I guess you just answered your own question :o)
>  Or, if linear ramps are not satisfying, I'd experiment with an Array set
> to bezier curves and read out at a higher resolution.
>
> András
>
>
>
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[PD] Upcoming pd-l2ork release teaser

[Ivica Ico Bukvic]

We are coming up on a new pd-l2ork release--one that I am particularly 
excited about. As I continue to put on the finishing touches, I wanted 
to share a small but hopefully sweet teaser screenshot with everyone :-)


Cheers!

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Director, DISIS Interactive Sound & Intermedia Studio
Director, L2Ork Linux Laptop Orchestra
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Blacksburg, VA 24061-0240
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(540) 231-5034 (fax)
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l2ork.music.vt.edu
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Re: [PD] Upcoming pd-l2ork release teaser

[IOhannes m zmölnig]

On 08/27/13 18:20, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
> to share a small but hopefully sweet teaser screenshot with everyone :-)

while it does look pretty, i hope you are not going to start teaching
people to use fan-out rather than [trigger].

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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.45-0 released

[IOhannes m zmölnig]

On 08/27/13 12:30, Max wrote:
> There is one little annoyance:
> if you select a GUI object, right click fro the properties and then go to 
> change on of the fields in the dialog, you can't hit backspace, because this 
> deletes the object and closes the properties dialog. Somehow the backspace 
> takes effect on the canvas instead of the numbers of say changing the values 
> of a slider.

not on my pd-0.45.0.
this is on debian with xfce4, focus-follows-mouse policy.

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Re: [PD] Pure Data and Korg Monotribe

[Jm Jones]

drunk object?


2013/8/27 András Murányi 

> It was just an idea, which may or may not work. Unfortunately I don't have
> patches.
>
> András
>
> On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 2:48 PM, Pagano, Patrick <
> p...@digitalworlds.ufl.edu> wrote:
>
>>  Can you share an example? I think bezier would be ideal
>>
>> Patrick Pagano B.S,M.F.A
>> Asst. in Digital Art and Science
>> Digital Worlds Institute
>> University of Florida
>> (352) 294-2020
>>
>>
>> On Aug 27, 2013, at 6:45 AM, "András Murányi"  wrote:
>>
>>On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 5:41 AM, Pagano, Patrick <
>> p...@digitalworlds.ufl.edu> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hello
>>>
>>>  I am wondering and hoping someone else has got one of these Korg
>>> Monotribes.
>>> I have mod-ed mine with the USBtribe http://www.usbtri.be/
>>> I am having a little bit of fun sending random values on channel 1 CC#
>>> 1, 7, 11, 16, 17, 80, 81 82 and 83 effectively glitching out the Synth
>>> portion.
>>>
>>>  Can someone give me an example of how to produce "smooth" random
>>> values?
>>>
>>>  I have a metro on about 200 triggering about 9 bangs for a [random
>>> 127] and the values are bopping all over the place and i would like them to
>>> move smoothly from random number to random number like a knob would. Can
>>> someone help me out with that?
>>> Is line what i want? or Vline?
>>>
>>>  pp
>>>
>>
>>  I guess you just answered your own question :o)
>>  Or, if linear ramps are not satisfying, I'd experiment with an Array
>> set to bezier curves and read out at a higher resolution.
>>
>> András
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.45-0 released

[Jack]

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Le 27/08/2013 12:30, Max a écrit :
> There is one little annoyance:
> if you select a GUI object, right click fro the properties and then go
to change on of the fields in the dialog, you can't hit backspace,
because this deletes the object and closes the properties dialog.
Somehow the backspace takes effect on the canvas instead of the numbers
of say changing the values of a slider.
>
> but generally: amazing, thank you miller.
> :)
>
> m.
>
> Am 23.08.2013 um 21:00 schrieb Miller Puckette :
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Pd version 0.45-0 is available on http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.htm
>> or via git from sourceforge:
>>  git clone git://git.code.sf.net/p/pure-data/pure-data
>>  cd pure-data
>>  git checkout -b 0.45
>>
>> As always I'm sure there will be problems here and there - you're welcome
>> to report them on the Pd mailing list (pd-list@iem.at) which is
always the
>> fastest way to get me to see them.
>>
>> cheers
>> Miller
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Hello,

I had the same problem with one of my patch today : 'properties' on
canvas then backspace on a field deleted the canvas.
But I can't reproduce it.
++

Jack


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.45-0 released

[IOhannes m zmölnig]

On 08/23/13 21:00, Miller Puckette wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Pd version 0.45-0 is available on http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.htm

cool.
i started updating the Debian packages...

> As always I'm sure there will be problems here and there - you're welcome
> to report them on the Pd mailing list (pd-list@iem.at) which is always the
> fastest way to get me to see them.

two smallish notes.

#1 CFLAGS
when manually including the Debian-patch "usercflags" (that makes sure
that user-specified CFLAGS are honoured by prepending the
configure-detected flags rather than appending), a small oversight has
occured:
- on *linux*, the configure-CFLAGS are still appended. instead the
change was made for *hurd* (aka "GNU"). i think this was simply a
confusion of "GNU" and "linux".
- otoh. the *hurd* CFLAGS still include "-O6"

the attached "usercflags.patch" hopefully gets this right. it /also/
fixes the CFLAGS append/prepend order for cygwin & mingw (though i admit
that i have not tested this)

#2 BUILD FAILURES with "-Werror=format-security"
when trying to build with the above error-flag (which pays some extra
attention to argument passing), the build fails due to two problems.
a) a call of "error(buf)" withing bug() is rejected, as the
'error'-function really reads "error(const char *fmt, ...)" and 'buf' is
not a format, resp. there are no varargs. the fix is simply to call
  error("consistency check failed: %s", buf)
and not construct the "consitency-failed" string beforehand. cool, this
makes the code a little more readable!
b) more serious, the new [text] object uses 'pd_error("ouch %s", str)',
when pd_error() really needs a pointer to a pd-object...
this is a potential crasher bug, as it accesses string memory as objects.

the attached patch "fix_format-security.patch" fixes this as well.


gfmasdr
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Author: Paul Brossier 
Description: do not overwrite user cflags, add them *after* hardcoded ones
--- puredata.orig/configure.ac
+++ puredata/configure.ac
@@ -42,7 +42,7 @@
 	if test "x${ANDROID}" = "xno"; then
 	 LINUX=yes
 	 portaudio=yes
-	 CFLAGS="$CFLAGS -O3 -funroll-loops -fomit-frame-pointer"
+	 CFLAGS="-O3 -funroll-loops -fomit-frame-pointer $CFLAGS"
 	fi
 	EXTERNAL_CFLAGS="-fPIC"
 	EXTERNAL_LDFLAGS="-Wl,--export-dynamic -shared -fPIC"
@@ -50,7 +50,7 @@
 	;;
 *-*-gnu*)
 	HURD=yes
-	CFLAGS="-O6 -funroll-loops -fomit-frame-pointer $CFLAGS"
+	CFLAGS="-O3 -funroll-loops -fomit-frame-pointer $CFLAGS"
 	EXTERNAL_CFLAGS="-fPIC"
 	EXTERNAL_LDFLAGS="-Wl,--export-dynamic -shared -fPIC"
 	EXTERNAL_EXTENSION=pd_linux
@@ -62,7 +62,8 @@
 #to make the final linking phase use g++
 #		asio=yes
 	portaudio=yes
-	CFLAGS="$CFLAGS -O3 -funroll-loops -fomit-frame-pointer -DWINVER=0x0501 -D_WIN32_WINNT=0x0501"
+	CFLAGS="-O3 -funroll-loops -fomit-frame-pointer -DWINVER=0x0501
+-D_WIN32_WINNT=0x0501 $CFLAGS"
 # ASIO is a C++ library, so if its included, then use g++ to build
 	CC=g++
 	EXTERNAL_CFLAGS="-mms-bitfields"
@@ -73,7 +74,7 @@
 	WINDOWS=yes
 	CYGWIN=yes
 	portaudio=yes
-	CFLAGS="$CFLAGS -O3 -funroll-loops -fomit-frame-pointer"
+	CFLAGS="-O3 -funroll-loops -fomit-frame-pointer $CFLAGS"
 	EXTERNAL_CFLAGS=
 	EXTERNAL_LDFLAGS="-Wl,--export-dynamic -shared -lpd"
 	EXTERNAL_EXTENSION=dll
Author: IOhannes m zmölnig
Description: printf-like varargs functions must have a proper format;
  use "error('%s', str);" rather than "error(str);"
  also pd_error() requires an instance-pointer as the first argument
--- puredata.orig/src/s_print.c
+++ puredata/src/s_print.c
@@ -282,12 +282,11 @@
 va_list ap;
 t_int arg[8];
 int i;
-strcpy(buf, "consistency check failed: ");
 va_start(ap, fmt);
-vsnprintf(buf+strlen(buf), MAXPDSTRING-1, fmt, ap);
+vsnprintf(buf, MAXPDSTRING-1, fmt, ap);
 va_end(ap);
 
-error(buf);
+error("consistency check failed: %s", buf);
 }
 
 /* this isn't worked out yet. */
--- puredata.orig/src/x_text.c
+++ puredata/src/x_text.c
@@ -1174,7 +1174,7 @@
 }
 else
 {
-pd_error("text sequence: unknown flag '%s'...",
+pd_error(x, "text sequence: unknown flag '%s'...",
 argv->a_w.w_symbol->s_name);
 }
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Re: [PD] Pure Data and Korg Monotribe

[Pagano, Patrick]

Funny you said that because I did a max patch with randoms and drunk objects 
with the number and steps. Where would I find a drunk object for pd? I assume 
it will be in an external lib but I don't know where to find one yet

Patrick Pagano B.S,M.F.A
Asst. in Digital Art and Science
Digital Worlds Institute
University of Florida
(352) 294-2020


On Aug 27, 2013, at 1:05 PM, "Jm Jones" 
mailto:juan...@gmail.com>> wrote:

drunk object?


2013/8/27 András Murányi mailto:muran...@gmail.com>>
It was just an idea, which may or may not work. Unfortunately I don't have 
patches.

András

On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 2:48 PM, Pagano, Patrick 
mailto:p...@digitalworlds.ufl.edu>> wrote:
Can you share an example? I think bezier would be ideal

Patrick Pagano B.S,M.F.A
Asst. in Digital Art and Science
Digital Worlds Institute
University of Florida
(352) 294-2020


On Aug 27, 2013, at 6:45 AM, "András Murányi" 
mailto:muran...@gmail.com>> wrote:

On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 5:41 AM, Pagano, Patrick 
mailto:p...@digitalworlds.ufl.edu>> wrote:

Hello

I am wondering and hoping someone else has got one of these Korg Monotribes.
I have mod-ed mine with the USBtribe http://www.usbtri.be/
I am having a little bit of fun sending random values on channel 1 CC# 1, 7, 
11, 16, 17, 80, 81 82 and 83 effectively glitching out the Synth portion.

Can someone give me an example of how to produce "smooth" random values?

I have a metro on about 200 triggering about 9 bangs for a [random 127] and the 
values are bopping all over the place and i would like them to move smoothly 
from random number to random number like a knob would. Can someone help me out 
with that?
Is line what i want? or Vline?

pp

I guess you just answered your own question :o)
Or, if linear ramps are not satisfying, I'd experiment with an Array set to 
bezier curves and read out at a higher resolution.

András


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Re: [PD] Pure Data and Korg Monotribe

[András Murányi]

On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 7:20 PM, Pagano, Patrick
wrote:

>  Funny you said that because I did a max patch with randoms and drunk
> objects with the number and steps. Where would I find a drunk object for
> pd? I assume it will be in an external lib but I don't know where to find
> one yet
>
>
>
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or miXed
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Re: [PD] Pure Data and Korg Monotribe

[Jm Jones]

ja, oh, good question, is not in pd ? :) i use pd and max and my brain is
mixed. i realli like (drunk)


2013/8/27 Pagano, Patrick 

>  Funny you said that because I did a max patch with randoms and drunk
> objects with the number and steps. Where would I find a drunk object for
> pd? I assume it will be in an external lib but I don't know where to find
> one yet
>
>
> Patrick Pagano B.S,M.F.A
> Asst. in Digital Art and Science
> Digital Worlds Institute
> University of Florida
> (352) 294-2020
>
>
> On Aug 27, 2013, at 1:05 PM, "Jm Jones"  wrote:
>
>   drunk object?
>
>
> 2013/8/27 András Murányi 
>
>> It was just an idea, which may or may not work. Unfortunately I don't
>> have patches.
>>
>>  András
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 2:48 PM, Pagano, Patrick <
>> p...@digitalworlds.ufl.edu> wrote:
>>
>>>  Can you share an example? I think bezier would be ideal
>>>
>>> Patrick Pagano B.S,M.F.A
>>> Asst. in Digital Art and Science
>>> Digital Worlds Institute
>>> University of Florida
>>> (352) 294-2020
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 27, 2013, at 6:45 AM, "András Murányi" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 5:41 AM, Pagano, Patrick <
>>> p...@digitalworlds.ufl.edu> wrote:
>>>

 Hello

  I am wondering and hoping someone else has got one of these Korg
 Monotribes.
 I have mod-ed mine with the USBtribe http://www.usbtri.be/
 I am having a little bit of fun sending random values on channel 1 CC#
 1, 7, 11, 16, 17, 80, 81 82 and 83 effectively glitching out the Synth
 portion.

  Can someone give me an example of how to produce "smooth" random
 values?

  I have a metro on about 200 triggering about 9 bangs for a [random
 127] and the values are bopping all over the place and i would like them to
 move smoothly from random number to random number like a knob would. Can
 someone help me out with that?
 Is line what i want? or Vline?

  pp

>>>
>>>  I guess you just answered your own question :o)
>>>  Or, if linear ramps are not satisfying, I'd experiment with an Array
>>> set to bezier curves and read out at a higher resolution.
>>>
>>> András
>>>
>>>
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[PD] Migrate away from Sourceforge?

[Thomas Mayer]

Hello,

Sourceforge's new owner tries to persuade top projects to use a closed
source installer that includes spyware / adware:

http://www.gluster.org/2013/08/how-far-the-once-mighty-sourceforge-has-fallen/

IMHO this in not a good place to host a true free software project any
more. Any thoughts on this?

Thanks,
Thomas
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politeness."
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.45-0 released

[Max]

Am 27.08.2013 um 18:57 schrieb IOhannes m zmölnig :
> On 08/27/13 12:30, Max wrote:
>> There is one little annoyance:
>> if you select a GUI object, right click fro the properties and then go to 
>> change on of the fields in the dialog, you can't hit backspace, because this 
>> deletes the object and closes the properties dialog. Somehow the backspace 
>> takes effect on the canvas instead of the numbers of say changing the values 
>> of a slider.
> 
> not on my pd-0.45.0.
> this is on debian with xfce4, focus-follows-mouse policy.

Are you sure the object is selected? the error is occurring for me on OS X 
10.8, haven't tried other platforms.
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Re: [PD] Upcoming pd-l2ork release teaser

[Jonathan Wilkes]

On 08/27/2013 12:20 PM, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
We are coming up on a new pd-l2ork release--one that I am particularly 
excited about. As I continue to put on the finishing touches, I wanted 
to share a small but hopefully sweet teaser screenshot with everyone :-)


Very cool.  Is this using tkpath?

-Jonathan



Cheers!



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Re: [PD] Upcoming pd-l2ork release teaser

[Jonathan Wilkes]

On 08/27/2013 12:56 PM, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:

On 08/27/13 18:20, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:

to share a small but hopefully sweet teaser screenshot with everyone :-)

while it does look pretty, i hope you are not going to start teaching
people to use fan-out rather than [trigger].


Fanout(1) = the order in which child chains are computed does not matter 
and doesn't need to be explicit
Trigger(1) = the order in which child chains are computed does matter 
and is explicit
Trigger(2) = the order in which child chains are computed doesn't matter 
but for aesthetic reasons is made explicit


Fanout(2) = the order in which child chains are computed does matter and 
is ambiguous.


When reading a patch, one may confuse Trigger(2) for Trigger(1), but 
that's no big deal because ordering

is explicit either way.

When reading a patch, one may confuse Fanout(2) for Fanout(1), and that 
could cause a run time error.


Therefore, the user should never use Fanout(2).

In the png the chain stops at the fanned out number boxes, so the 
ordering cannot matter.


Therefore, the png must be an example of Fanout(1).

As such, the png cannot be an example of teaching people to use fanout 
instead of trigger _unless_

you mean Trigger(2) should _always_ be preferred to Fanout(1).

If Trigger(2) is always preferred to Fanout(1), then there is no way to 
visually signify when ordering

doesn't matter.

Therefore, in cases where crossed wires or other ambiguities are not an 
issue, Fanout(1) is preferable

to Trigger(2).

Conclusion: teach Fanout(1) and Trigger(2) for situations where ordering 
doesn't matter, and Trigger(1) for

situations where it does.  The end.

-Jonathan



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[PD] Reading txt file inside folder

[Ronni Montoya]

Hi , i have a folder with my pd patch and another folder that stores
txt files ( my data).

How can i read my txt files from that folder using relative path?
I need to be able to change the location of my folder and not having
the necessity of rewriting the path.



any idea?


R.

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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.45-0 released

[Miller Puckette]

Aha - I can make this malfunction... don't know what's causing it yet.  It's
quite n abupt surprise when it happens :)

On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 08:37:25PM +0200, Max wrote:
> Am 27.08.2013 um 18:57 schrieb IOhannes m zmölnig :
> > On 08/27/13 12:30, Max wrote:
> >> There is one little annoyance:
> >> if you select a GUI object, right click fro the properties and then go to 
> >> change on of the fields in the dialog, you can't hit backspace, because 
> >> this deletes the object and closes the properties dialog. Somehow the 
> >> backspace takes effect on the canvas instead of the numbers of say 
> >> changing the values of a slider.
> > 
> > not on my pd-0.45.0.
> > this is on debian with xfce4, focus-follows-mouse policy.
> 
> Are you sure the object is selected? the error is occurring for me on OS X 
> 10.8, haven't tried other platforms.
> m.
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Re: [PD] Upcoming pd-l2ork release teaser

[Simon Wise]

On 28/08/13 04:34, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:

On 08/27/2013 12:56 PM, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:

On 08/27/13 18:20, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:

to share a small but hopefully sweet teaser screenshot with everyone :-)

while it does look pretty, i hope you are not going to start teaching
people to use fan-out rather than [trigger].



Therefore, in cases where crossed wires or other ambiguities are not an issue,
Fanout(1) is preferable
to Trigger(2).

Conclusion: teach Fanout(1) and Trigger(2) for situations where ordering doesn't
matter, and Trigger(1) for
situations where it does. The end.


also, in a potential future with some kinds of parallelism in pd, taking Fanout 
(rather than Trigger) as an explicit statement that the branches are not 
dependent on order of execution is quite interesting, and very consistent with 
the ideal that Fanout order is undefined. But that is a dream-space a long way 
off for pd as it is now.


Simon


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.45-0 released

[J Oliver]

it happens consistently in os x 10.7.5.

1) create a number box.

2a) If it is selected and I try to delete the "5" in "width" it deletes the 
number box.

2b) If it is not selected, it won't even delete the "5" in "width".

J

On Aug 27, 2013, at 10:53 PM, Miller Puckette wrote:

> Aha - I can make this malfunction... don't know what's causing it yet.  It's
> quite n abupt surprise when it happens :)
> 
> On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 08:37:25PM +0200, Max wrote:
>> Am 27.08.2013 um 18:57 schrieb IOhannes m zmölnig :
>>> On 08/27/13 12:30, Max wrote:
 There is one little annoyance:
 if you select a GUI object, right click fro the properties and then go to 
 change on of the fields in the dialog, you can't hit backspace, because 
 this deletes the object and closes the properties dialog. Somehow the 
 backspace takes effect on the canvas instead of the numbers of say 
 changing the values of a slider.
>>> 
>>> not on my pd-0.45.0.
>>> this is on debian with xfce4, focus-follows-mouse policy.
>> 
>> Are you sure the object is selected? the error is occurring for me on OS X 
>> 10.8, haven't tried other platforms.
>> m.
>> 
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Re: [PD] Upcoming pd-l2ork release teaser

[Simon Wise]

On 28/08/13 11:36, Simon Wise wrote:


also, in a potential future with some kinds of parallelism in pd, taking Fanout
(rather than Trigger) as an explicit statement that the branches are not
dependent on order of execution is quite interesting, and very consistent with
the ideal that Fanout order is undefined. But that is a dream-space a long way
off for pd as it is now.


Of course interpreting Fanout as allowing asynchronous execution of the branches 
is somewhat stronger than taking Fanout to mean what it currently does, which is 
that the branches can be completed in any arbitrary sequence.


Simon

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Re: [PD] send message to current pd-window

[Ingo]

Thanks for the suggestion!

[active] can only tell if the current window has the focus or not.

[active] together with [window_name] can actually send the current window
name as soon as it gets activated but that would require placing an
abstraction in every single patch and subpatch. I have a huge amount of
abstractions and subpatches so that is kind of out of the question.

Somehow Pd has to keep track of which window is currently opened and active.
Isn't there a way to get that window / sub patch name without sending it
from the actual subpatch itself?

Alternatively - is there a way to send letters or ASCII characters from
within Pd to Pd? Like CTRL + E for edit mode or anything else that can be
done by QWERTY key commands?

Ingo


> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: pd-list-boun...@iem.at [mailto:pd-list-boun...@iem.at] Im Auftrag von
> Jonathan Wilkes
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. August 2013 17:44
> An: pd-list@iem.at
> Betreff: Re: [PD] send message to current pd-window
> 
> On 08/27/2013 07:00 AM, Ingo wrote:
> > I'trying to use a mouse button to toggle between edit mode on off.
> > I'm using [hid] to get the mouse button and I can send the message to a
> > specified window name.
> >
> > But how can I send it to the current window that I am working in?
> >
> > What would I have to use instead of "windowname"?
> >
> > [s pd-"windowname"]
> 
> [s pd-filename.pd]
> 
> or
> 
> [s pd-subpatchname]
> 
> To automatically figure out which window has the focus, I think
> there's a cyclone object that does that.  Maybe [active] ?
> 
> >
> > Thanks, Ingo
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