Re: [PD] sigmund~ Vs fiddle~
On Thu, Apr 08, 2010 at 05:50:22PM -0400, Alexandre Porres wrote: simple basic question: Any special considerations of how they differ? I'm willing to do pitch tracking and also getting lists of partials and frequency in realtime. Check http://www.mail-archive.com/pd-list@iem.at/msg30524.html Btw.: I couldn't find this thread using the search engine on http://lists.puredata.info searching for fiddle sigmund or pitch tracking sinusoidal analysis or various combinations of these. What am I doing wrong? Ciao -- Frank BarknechtDo You RjDj.me? _ __footils.org__ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [sigmund~] and [fiddle~]
Hallo, Jonathan Wilkes hat gesagt: // Jonathan Wilkes wrote: --- On Mon, 12/7/09, Frank Barknecht f...@footils.org wrote: Jonathan Wilkes hat gesagt: // Jonathan Wilkes wrote: Can [sigmund~] do everything [fiddle~] can do (or do it better)? I leave the first part of the question as a task to the reader of both help files. I don't understand: Does this mean you haven't read them? That you have and it's obvious? That you have and it isn't? I'm sorry, my attempt to be funny seemed to have failed horribly. Both sigmund~ and fiddle~ do pitch tracking and sinusoidal analysis, i.e. track partials in a signal. Where fiddle~ uses a fixed set of outlets to report various pitch info, sigmund~ reconfigures its outlets according to arguments. Both fiddle~ and sigmund~ can give similar info, in fact it's almost the same. I won't repeat these here, for this indeed check the help files. sigmund~ doesn't have an explicit attack outlet, instead you use the more musical note outlet, which combines pitch and attack info. The various internal configuration settings of both objects are practically the same as well, some are reorganized a bit( i.e. amp-range is gone in sigmund~ which instead offers minpower and growth) Unless I'm overlooking something, neither help patch mentions the other object. Obviously [sigmund~] has a lot more goodies than [fiddle~], but without spending a long span of time studying each object in depth, it's unclear whether some functions of [fiddle~] were left out of [sigmund~] or subsumed under one of its new features. Obviously it's not that obvious. :) (I'm trying to be funny here again!) As I see it sigmund~ doesn't have that many new goodies (except table analysis). It seems to be more like a cosmetic rewrite to make it easier to use than fiddle~. The number of outlets has been reduced and their meaning is clearer IMO. But under the hood I think it uses a better algorithm. In my experiments it reports pitch faster and more reliable and stable than fiddle~. So if you can use sigmund~ I would recommend it over fiddle~ as a replacement. Ciao -- Frank ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [sigmund~] and [fiddle~]
But under the hood I think it uses a better algorithm. In my experiments it reports pitch faster and more reliable and stable than fiddle~. So if you can use sigmund~ I would recommend it over fiddle~ as a replacement. Back in the LAC 2008 in Cologne, I asked Miller that very question: what is the difference between fiddle~ and sigmund~. He said sigmund~ was the best pitch tracker he had programmed so far. So I guess fiddle is still alive just for compatibility reasons. alabala -- ypatios ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [sigmund~] and [fiddle~]
I only have little experience, but from what I've seen so far is that pitch detection with sigmund~ is faster than fiddle~. On the other hand I found the level setting 'minpower' not working or at least nor responsive to changes that I tried out. I do not have experimented with the corresponding settings in fiddle~. Jurgen On Dec 8, 2009, at 6:10 PM, ypatios wrote: But under the hood I think it uses a better algorithm. In my experiments it reports pitch faster and more reliable and stable than fiddle~. So if you can use sigmund~ I would recommend it over fiddle~ as a replacement. Back in the LAC 2008 in Cologne, I asked Miller that very question: what is the difference between fiddle~ and sigmund~. He said sigmund~ was the best pitch tracker he had programmed so far. So I guess fiddle is still alive just for compatibility reasons. alabala -- ypatios ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [sigmund~] and [fiddle~]
Hallo, Jonathan Wilkes hat gesagt: // Jonathan Wilkes wrote: Can [sigmund~] do everything [fiddle~] can do (or do it better)? I leave the first part of the question as a task to the reader of both help files. About the second part: In my tests, [sigmund~] indeed did it better. Ciao -- Frank ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [sigmund~] and [fiddle~]
--- On Mon, 12/7/09, Frank Barknecht f...@footils.org wrote: From: Frank Barknecht f...@footils.org Subject: Re: [PD] [sigmund~] and [fiddle~] To: pd-list@iem.at Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 10:04 AM Hallo, Jonathan Wilkes hat gesagt: // Jonathan Wilkes wrote: Can [sigmund~] do everything [fiddle~] can do (or do it better)? I leave the first part of the question as a task to the reader of both help files. I don't understand: Does this mean you haven't read them? That you have and it's obvious? That you have and it isn't? Unless I'm overlooking something, neither help patch mentions the other object. Obviously [sigmund~] has a lot more goodies than [fiddle~], but without spending a long span of time studying each object in depth, it's unclear whether some functions of [fiddle~] were left out of [sigmund~] or subsumed under one of its new features. If anyone has some experience using both objects, it would be nice to add a sentence to [sigmund~]'s help patch clarifying its relationship to [fiddle~] (and vice versa). Thanks, Jonathan ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [sigmund~] and [fiddle~]
Hello, Can [sigmund~] do everything [fiddle~] can do (or do it better)? BTW: I'm finding that to use [sigmund~] with tables, the -t flag is unnecessary-- just remove it in the example in the subpatch and you get the same results. Not sure if that's a bug or not, but it makes me wonder: what's the purpose of having the -t flag? Thanks, Jonathan ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
