Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
The rewrite is looking fantastic. I've just started to use it and noticed that bonk~'s [minvel( setting doesn't seem to work. Compare the helpfile behavior in 0.43 vs 0.42-5 or previous Pd-ext builds. If you allow the cooked output to print, then change minvel to something enormous (say, 1), it shouldn't report any attacks. In 42-5 it doesn't, but in 43 it goes on as if minvel were still the default value of 7. Yet, if you send bonk~ a [print( message to show it's internal settings, you can see that minvel has changed. Also, [thresh( seems to behave normally. This is on Intel Mac OS 10.5.8 with Pd 0.43.0devel-20100120. How about other platforms? On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 8:51 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: On Jan 20, 2010, at 12:58 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: I downloaded 0.43.0-devel-20100119 (windows) and found a few things: 1) A patch like the one I attached used to have no scrollbars (all the way up to the dev version I downloaded on the 11th). Now it has scrollbars. Hmm, will test. 2) In the attached patch right-clicking and getting Properties or Help doesn't work properly. For instance, if I right-click on [bag] in the upper right-hand corner and choose Help, it gives me intro-help.pd. If I right-click the message box with the selector clear in it and choose help, it gives me text-help.pd. Hmm, will test. 3) For menu-Window: is the tree structure represented solely by indentation? Yes, only intentation, but I am open to suggestions for bettter ways. There was some problem I was running into with the previous build where selected text in a msg box sticks until you force a refresh by minimizing/maximizing, but it looks you fixed it. Phew, making some progress ;) .hc Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up with a more direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in practice, it can change entire economies. - Amy Smith ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- William Brent www.williambrent.com “Great minds flock together” Conflations: conversational idiom for the 21st century www.conflations.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
Just downloaded today's windows version, and there's no change from the latest version. Am I the only one to whom this happens? can't set ::editmode(.pdwindow): invalid command name .pdwindow.c invalid command name .pdwindow.c while executing $mycanvas configure -background white (procedure set_cords_by_editmode line 16) invoked from within set_cords_by_editmode ::editmode .pdwindow write (write trace on ::editmode(.pdwindow)) invoked from within set ::editmode($mytoplevel) $state (procedure pdtk_canvas_editmode line 3) invoked from within pdtk_canvas_editmode .pdwindow 0 (procedure ::pd_menus::configure_for_pdwindow line 13) invoked from within ::pd_menus::configure_for_pdwindow (procedure ::pd_bindings::window_focusin line 9) invoked from within ::pd_bindings::window_focusin .pdwindow (command bound to event) João On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 06:58:04 +0100, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: I downloaded 0.43.0-devel-20100119 (windows) and found a few things: 1) A patch like the one I attached used to have no scrollbars (all the way up to the dev version I downloaded on the 11th). Now it has scrollbars. 2) In the attached patch right-clicking and getting Properties or Help doesn't work properly. For instance, if I right-click on [bag] in the upper right-hand corner and choose Help, it gives me intro-help.pd. If I right-click the message box with the selector clear in it and choose help, it gives me text-help.pd. 3) For menu-Window: is the tree structure represented solely by indentation? There was some problem I was running into with the previous build where selected text in a msg box sticks until you force a refresh by minimizing/maximizing, but it looks you fixed it. -Jonathan -- Friedenstr. 58 10249 Berlin (Deutschland) Tel +49 30 42020091 | Mob +49 162 6843570 Studio +49 30 69509190 jm...@gmx.net | skype: jmmmpjmmmp ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
Hi, found the problem that was causing the error message and pd to block, although I don't understand it: I have a main patch that gets loaded with pd everytime. For some reason it was causing this problem. But I can't say now what's causing the problem, because part of the patch is in a GOP, and now in pd GOPs don't open (any GOP). 2 small details: - in the browser there's the non-existing 0.Pd folder, as well as lots of patches in the first column. I don't know what is the logic, probably I missed some message. The first element of a browser column is always underlined. - the menus in path and startup are still with a very small font size, unreadable for someone who doesn't know them beforehand. More I can't say for now. João I downloaded 0.43.0-devel-20100119 (windows) and found a few things: 1) A patch like the one I attached used to have no scrollbars (all the way up to the dev version I downloaded on the 11th). Now it has scrollbars. 2) In the attached patch right-clicking and getting Properties or Help doesn't work properly. For instance, if I right-click on [bag] in the upper right-hand corner and choose Help, it gives me intro-help.pd. If I right-click the message box with the selector clear in it and choose help, it gives me text-help.pd. 3) For menu-Window: is the tree structure represented solely by indentation? There was some problem I was running into with the previous build where selected text in a msg box sticks until you force a refresh by minimizing/maximizing, but it looks you fixed it. -Jonathan -- Friedenstr. 58 10249 Berlin (Deutschland) Tel +49 30 42020091 | Mob +49 162 6843570 Studio +49 30 69509190 jm...@gmx.net | skype: jmmmpjmmmp ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
On Jan 20, 2010, at 12:58 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: I downloaded 0.43.0-devel-20100119 (windows) and found a few things: 1) A patch like the one I attached used to have no scrollbars (all the way up to the dev version I downloaded on the 11th). Now it has scrollbars. Hmm, will test. 2) In the attached patch right-clicking and getting Properties or Help doesn't work properly. For instance, if I right-click on [bag] in the upper right-hand corner and choose Help, it gives me intro- help.pd. If I right-click the message box with the selector clear in it and choose help, it gives me text-help.pd. Hmm, will test. 3) For menu-Window: is the tree structure represented solely by indentation? Yes, only intentation, but I am open to suggestions for bettter ways. There was some problem I was running into with the previous build where selected text in a msg box sticks until you force a refresh by minimizing/maximizing, but it looks you fixed it. Phew, making some progress ;) .hc Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up with a more direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in practice, it can change entire economies. - Amy Smith ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: compute audio is easier to understand, but it then doesn't match the 'pd dsp' message or the Media menu items. häh? the media menu items in Pd =0.42 reads audio ON and audio OFF. these do not match the pd dsp message, but kind of relate to compute audio. indeed in pd-gui-rewrite, the audio ON is renamed to DSP An and DSP Aus (seems like the former is a demand for a de_AT localization :-)) but that doesn't really help the argument. I think overall, its easier if people learn that DSP means computing audio as well as other things, and the term DSP is used consistently throughout. makes sense. otoh, most newbies (those who probably won't start using [; pd dsp 1() will want to turn on audio rather than learn what dsp means. on the third hand, they will probaby wonder why they have to turn on anything, so it won't matter whether it's audio or dsp. finally: this is surely time for a tooltip lingering over the DSP button, explaining, that this is the button to press if you want to hear something. mfbgasdr IOhannes smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
Hallo, didn't test it yet, but you probably made my day. :) Ciao -- Frank Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Indeed! That stupid bug has been around far too long. No more! http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data?view=revrevision=13040 Keep reporting, and I'll do my best to keep fixing. .hc On Jan 18, 2010, at 9:28 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, probably not related to scrollbar, but to coordinates in general: Do you think it will now be possible to fix the longstanding issue of Pd showing the help menu far away from the mouseclick, if the coordinates of the viewport and those of the canvas disagree (for example if you've scrolled to the bottom of the help-intro.pd patch and try to open the help for e.g. [pointer] or if you have moved objects into the upper right area of (0,0)? That would be cool to have fixed after all these years. :) Ciao -- Frank Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Ok, I fixed one source of scrollbar flickering. Its a Tk bug where it first sends a Configure event with a window size of 1x1, then sends another with the actual size, hence the scrollbar flickering. http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data?view=revrevision=13018 .hc On Jan 10, 2010, at 9:55 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: Hi Hans, There's some scrollbar flickering happening on winxp (see attached patch). -Jonathan --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at..or.at Subject: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable To: PD list pd-list@iem.at Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 11:02 PM There has been lots of work on the 0.43 Pd GUI Rewrite, and it should be quite useable now. Please try it for any daily patching and report any issues that you might have so that they can be fixed. There is a bunch of fun new stuff possible with plugins, like you can bind to any key, for example make O give you an [osc~] and P give you a [pack] while Ctrl-O and Ctrl-P keep their original meanings. For a more complete ChangeLog and links to nightly builds, see: http://puredata.info/dev/PdGuiRewrite Also, here's the beginning of some docs on how to write GUI plugins. Please add anything you know of, and ask questions so we can get more stuff documented: http://puredata.info/docs/PdGuiPluginsAPI .hc Programs should be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute. - from Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list scrollbar-flickering.pd Free software means you control what your computer does. Non-free software means someone else controls that, and to some extent controls you. - Richard M. Stallman ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Terrorism is not an enemy. It cannot be defeated. It's a tactic. It's about as sensible to say we declare war on night attacks and expect we're going to win that war. We're not going to win the war on terrorism. - retired U.S. Army general, William Odom ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
On Jan 19, 2010, at 3:35 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: compute audio is easier to understand, but it then doesn't match the 'pd dsp' message or the Media menu items. häh? the media menu items in Pd =0.42 reads audio ON and audio OFF. these do not match the pd dsp message, but kind of relate to compute audio. indeed in pd-gui-rewrite, the audio ON is renamed to DSP An and DSP Aus (seems like the former is a demand for a de_AT localization :-)) but that doesn't really help the argument. I think overall, its easier if people learn that DSP means computing audio as well as other things, and the term DSP is used consistently throughout. makes sense. otoh, most newbies (those who probably won't start using [; pd dsp 1() will want to turn on audio rather than learn what dsp means. on the third hand, they will probaby wonder why they have to turn on anything, so it won't matter whether it's audio or dsp. finally: this is surely time for a tooltip lingering over the DSP button, explaining, that this is the button to press if you want to hear something. I think a tooltip is a very good idea for the Pd window. .hc Access to computers should be unlimited and total. - the hacker ethic ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
finally: this is surely time for a tooltip lingering over the DSP button, explaining, that this is the button to press if you want to hear something. I think a tooltip is a very good idea for the Pd window. .hc I'm afraid there is no universal method in Tk for tooltips - is there? Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
On Jan 19, 2010, at 12:13 PM, András Murányi wrote: finally: this is surely time for a tooltip lingering over the DSP button, explaining, that this is the button to press if you want to hear something. I think a tooltip is a very good idea for the Pd window. .hc I'm afraid there is no universal method in Tk for tooltips - is there? Andras There is no included method called tooltips, but you can easily make your own. Here are some examples: http://wiki.tcl.tk/3060 .hc kill your television ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
On Jan 19, 2010, at 1:33 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: --- On Tue, 1/19/10, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Subject: Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: PD list pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 5:26 AM On Jan 18, 2010, at 7:09 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: [Kind of picky...] In the console, there's a checkbox with the clickable text DSP. I know acronyms are normally capitalized, but in this case if the text read dsp, the tk label/checkbox would accurately reflect the message one sends to pd to turn audio on and off (with the checkbox fulfilling the 0/1 argument). I think someone complained recently that DSP would be less clear to a beginner than compute audio. I think that's true, so if the beginner has to read a help file to figure out what it means, they might as well learn the message dsp 0 and dsp 1 at the same time (and be reminded of the _exact_ selector everytime they look at the console). compute audio is easier to understand, but it then doesn't match the 'pd dsp' message or the Media menu items. I think overall, its easier if people learn that DSP means computing audio as well as other things, and the term DSP is used consistently throughout. I don't have a strong feeling on upper vs lower case on DSP tho. Well it's definitely a minor distinction-- I just think that the lower case reflects what's going on under the hood more closely, which is a good thing. Something else I've been wondering about...is there any reason the top of the console couldn't be a pd canvas or a gop? As it is, it's just two [tgl]s, two [vu]s, and maybe a [bng]. Other than the DIO button it's just a [dac~], [adc~], and [s pd], right? It could be a GOP, I think all of the properties, about, etc. should be Pd patches. But before doing that, I think we need better support for standard Tk widgets within Pd. .hc -Jonathan In a similar vein: what about audiostatus instead of DIO? -Jonathan I never use the DIO button and don't really know what it is, so I left it as is ;-) As far as I can gather its an error light for if there are communications troubles with the audio interface. .hc We have nothing to fear from love and commitment. - New York Senator Diane Savino, trying to convince the NY Senate to pass a gay marriage bill ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
2010/1/19 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at On Jan 19, 2010, at 12:13 PM, András Murányi wrote: finally: this is surely time for a tooltip lingering over the DSP button, explaining, that this is the button to press if you want to hear something. I think a tooltip is a very good idea for the Pd window. .hc I'm afraid there is no universal method in Tk for tooltips - is there? Andras There is no included method called tooltips, but you can easily make your own. Here are some examples: http://wiki.tcl.tk/3060 .hc Andras Yes I did try some of those but they were not so perfect or reliable. If you find a good one, however, you're there. Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
I downloaded 0.43.0-devel-20100119 (windows) and found a few things: 1) A patch like the one I attached used to have no scrollbars (all the way up to the dev version I downloaded on the 11th). Now it has scrollbars. 2) In the attached patch right-clicking and getting Properties or Help doesn't work properly. For instance, if I right-click on [bag] in the upper right-hand corner and choose Help, it gives me intro-help.pd. If I right-click the message box with the selector clear in it and choose help, it gives me text-help.pd. 3) For menu-Window: is the tree structure represented solely by indentation? There was some problem I was running into with the previous build where selected text in a msg box sticks until you force a refresh by minimizing/maximizing, but it looks you fixed it. -Jonathan #N canvas 0 0 555 619 10; #X obj 0 595 cnv 15 550 21 empty \$0-pddp.cnv.footer empty 20 12 0 14 -228856 -66577 0; #X obj 0 0 cnv 15 550 40 empty \$0-pddp.cnv.header bag 3 12 0 18 -204280 -1 0; #X obj -1 287 cnv 3 550 3 empty \$0-pddp.cnv.inlets inlets 15 12 0 13 -228856 -1 0; #N canvas 46 242 494 344 META 0; #X text 12 65 TEMPLATE template-help.pd v0.1; #X text 12 85 PLATFORM windows macosx gnulinux; #X text 12 125 LIBRARY internal; #X text 12 165 WEBSITE http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/; #X text 12 205 RELEASE_VERSION 0.41.4; #X text 12 185 RELEASE_DATE 2009-06-12; #X text 12 45 LICENSE SIBSD; #X text 12 145 AUTHOR Miller Puckette; #X text 12 105 DATATYPE float list; #X text 12 225 HELP_PATCH_AUTHORS Updated for Pd v0.41. Revised by Jonathan Wilkes to conform to the PDDP template for Pd version 0.42. ; #X text 12 5 GENRE control; #X text 12 25 KEYWORDS storage lists; #X restore 500 597 pd META; #X obj -1 495 cnv 3 550 3 empty \$0-pddp.cnv.outlets outlets 15 12 0 13 -228856 -1 0; #X obj -1 538 cnv 3 550 3 empty \$0-pddp.cnv.argument arguments 15 12 0 13 -228856 -1 0; #X obj -1 566 cnv 3 550 3 empty \$0-pddp.cnv.more_info more_info 15 12 0 13 -228856 -1 0; #X text 98 542 (none); #N canvas 54 478 428 109 Related_objects 0; #X obj 61 42 makenote; #X obj 21 42 poly; #X obj 122 42 list; #X obj 1 1 cnv 15 425 20 empty \$0-pddp.cnv.header empty 3 12 0 14 -204280 -1 0; #X text 7 1 [bag] Related Objects; #X restore 102 598 pd Related_objects; #X obj 78 296 cnv 17 3 125 empty \$0-pddp.cnv.let.0 0 5 9 0 16 -228856 -162280 0; #X text 98 295 float; #X text 98 352 list; #X text 98 503 float; #X obj 78 504 cnv 17 3 30 empty \$0-pddp.cnv.let.0 0 5 9 0 16 -228856 -162280 0; #X obj 78 440 cnv 17 3 45 empty \$0-pddp.cnv.let.1 1 5 9 0 16 -228856 -162280 0; #X text 98 439 float; #X text 98 383 flush; #X text 98 413 clear; #X text 148 383 - output all values one by one \, in the order they were received \, and clear the collection.; #X text 148 503 - upon sending the flush message to the left inlet \, [bag] will output each value in the order it was received.; #X text 99 570 You can use [bag] to mimic a sustain pedal \, for example. ; #X msg 162 88 60 64; #X msg 213 88 60 0; #X msg 257 88 62 64; #X msg 304 88 62 0; #X obj 162 215 print; #X text 207 216 Output is in the printout window.; #X msg 304 134 clear; #X msg 303 111 flush; #X obj 162 185 bag; #X text 148 352 - a (value \, flag) pair is distributed to the two inlets. Lists with more than two elements will be truncated.; #X text 11 23 collection of numbers; #X obj 493 3 bag; #X obj 465 20 pddp/pddplink http://wiki.puredata.info/en/bag -text pdpedia: bag; #X text 148 413 - clear the collection.; #X text 147 439 - a float to the right inlet sets the flag: if zero \, values to the left inlet will not be added to the collection. If nonzero \, values to the right inlet will be added to the collection. ; #X text 148 295 - a float to the left inlet will be added to the collection if the last value the right inlet received was nonzero. If the last value the right inlet received was zero \, the float sent to the right inlet will be removed from the collection.; #X connect 21 0 29 0; #X connect 22 0 29 0; #X connect 23 0 29 0; #X connect 24 0 29 0; #X connect 27 0 29 0; #X connect 28 0 29 0; #X connect 29 0 25 0; ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
Hallo, probably not related to scrollbar, but to coordinates in general: Do you think it will now be possible to fix the longstanding issue of Pd showing the help menu far away from the mouseclick, if the coordinates of the viewport and those of the canvas disagree (for example if you've scrolled to the bottom of the help-intro.pd patch and try to open the help for e.g. [pointer] or if you have moved objects into the upper right area of (0,0)? That would be cool to have fixed after all these years. :) Ciao -- Frank Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Ok, I fixed one source of scrollbar flickering. Its a Tk bug where it first sends a Configure event with a window size of 1x1, then sends another with the actual size, hence the scrollbar flickering. http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data?view=revrevision=13018 .hc On Jan 10, 2010, at 9:55 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: Hi Hans, There's some scrollbar flickering happening on winxp (see attached patch). -Jonathan --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at..or.at Subject: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable To: PD list pd-list@iem.at Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 11:02 PM There has been lots of work on the 0.43 Pd GUI Rewrite, and it should be quite useable now. Please try it for any daily patching and report any issues that you might have so that they can be fixed. There is a bunch of fun new stuff possible with plugins, like you can bind to any key, for example make O give you an [osc~] and P give you a [pack] while Ctrl-O and Ctrl-P keep their original meanings. For a more complete ChangeLog and links to nightly builds, see: http://puredata.info/dev/PdGuiRewrite Also, here's the beginning of some docs on how to write GUI plugins. Please add anything you know of, and ask questions so we can get more stuff documented: http://puredata.info/docs/PdGuiPluginsAPI .hc Programs should be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute. - from Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list scrollbar-flickering.pd Free software means you control what your computer does. Non-free software means someone else controls that, and to some extent controls you. - Richard M. Stallman ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
Indeed! That stupid bug has been around far too long. No more! http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data?view=revrevision=13040 Keep reporting, and I'll do my best to keep fixing. .hc On Jan 18, 2010, at 9:28 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, probably not related to scrollbar, but to coordinates in general: Do you think it will now be possible to fix the longstanding issue of Pd showing the help menu far away from the mouseclick, if the coordinates of the viewport and those of the canvas disagree (for example if you've scrolled to the bottom of the help-intro.pd patch and try to open the help for e.g. [pointer] or if you have moved objects into the upper right area of (0,0)? That would be cool to have fixed after all these years. :) Ciao -- Frank Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Ok, I fixed one source of scrollbar flickering. Its a Tk bug where it first sends a Configure event with a window size of 1x1, then sends another with the actual size, hence the scrollbar flickering. http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data?view=revrevision=13018 .hc On Jan 10, 2010, at 9:55 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: Hi Hans, There's some scrollbar flickering happening on winxp (see attached patch). -Jonathan --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at..or.at Subject: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable To: PD list pd-list@iem.at Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 11:02 PM There has been lots of work on the 0.43 Pd GUI Rewrite, and it should be quite useable now. Please try it for any daily patching and report any issues that you might have so that they can be fixed. There is a bunch of fun new stuff possible with plugins, like you can bind to any key, for example make O give you an [osc~] and P give you a [pack] while Ctrl-O and Ctrl-P keep their original meanings. For a more complete ChangeLog and links to nightly builds, see: http://puredata.info/dev/PdGuiRewrite Also, here's the beginning of some docs on how to write GUI plugins. Please add anything you know of, and ask questions so we can get more stuff documented: http://puredata.info/docs/PdGuiPluginsAPI .hc Programs should be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute. - from Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list scrollbar-flickering.pd Free software means you control what your computer does. Non-free software means someone else controls that, and to some extent controls you. - Richard M. Stallman ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Terrorism is not an enemy. It cannot be defeated. It's a tactic. It's about as sensible to say we declare war on night attacks and expect we're going to win that war. We're not going to win the war on terrorism.- retired U.S. Army general, William Odom ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
On Jan 15, 2010, at 3:56 PM, András Murányi wrote: 2010/1/14 IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoel...@iem.at András Murányi wrote: PS i'd be happy to give you ssh to my 64-bit box if that helps. Then, I'm very interested in the PPA. I have no idea how to put together a source package, i also don't know makefiles (yet). Do you think I could manage...? hmm, i just tried to build pd-gui-rewrite on my 64bit box and it built out-of-the box and runs out of the box. yes it builds out of the box as always did. i experienced other problems with it: - it seemed like it didn't like my 32-bit pd install any more - this is solved by HC: need to make before. - it never accepted the libraries from my 64-bit pd-extended. My question at this moment is: is there a version/branch/whatsoever of the rewrite which serves as a complete pd-extended, or it still relying on my not-rewritten pd-extended install? The nightly builds labeled Pd-devel are kind of like Pd-extended 0.43, i.e with the new GUI. But not completely, only kind of. .hc Free software means you control what your computer does. Non-free software means someone else controls that, and to some extent controls you. - Richard M. Stallman ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
I think I fixed this, could you test to make sure? .hc On Jan 10, 2010, at 9:55 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: Hi Hans, There's some scrollbar flickering happening on winxp (see attached patch). -Jonathan --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at..or.at Subject: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable To: PD list pd-list@iem.at Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 11:02 PM There has been lots of work on the 0.43 Pd GUI Rewrite, and it should be quite useable now. Please try it for any daily patching and report any issues that you might have so that they can be fixed. There is a bunch of fun new stuff possible with plugins, like you can bind to any key, for example make O give you an [osc~] and P give you a [pack] while Ctrl-O and Ctrl-P keep their original meanings. For a more complete ChangeLog and links to nightly builds, see: http://puredata.info/dev/PdGuiRewrite Also, here's the beginning of some docs on how to write GUI plugins. Please add anything you know of, and ask questions so we can get more stuff documented: http://puredata.info/docs/PdGuiPluginsAPI .hc Programs should be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute. - from Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list scrollbar-flickering.pd Programs should be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute. - from Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
I'd be happy to test it, but my desktop with the whole mingw/cygwin setup is on the fritz, so I'll have to wait for the next windows nightly build to commence. -Jonathan --- On Mon, 1/18/10, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or..at Subject: Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: PD list pd-list@iem.at Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 11:55 PM I think I fixed this, could you test to make sure? .hc On Jan 10, 2010, at 9:55 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: Hi Hans, There's some scrollbar flickering happening on winxp (see attached patch). -Jonathan --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at..or.at Subject: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable To: PD list pd-list@iem.at Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 11:02 PM There has been lots of work on the 0.43 Pd GUI Rewrite, and it should be quite useable now. Please try it for any daily patching and report any issues that you might have so that they can be fixed. There is a bunch of fun new stuff possible with plugins, like you can bind to any key, for example make O give you an [osc~] and P give you a [pack] while Ctrl-O and Ctrl-P keep their original meanings. For a more complete ChangeLog and links to nightly builds, see: http://puredata.info/dev/PdGuiRewrite Also, here's the beginning of some docs on how to write GUI plugins. Please add anything you know of, and ask questions so we can get more stuff documented: http://puredata.info/docs/PdGuiPluginsAPI .hc Programs should be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute. - from Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list scrollbar-flickering.pd Programs should be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute. - from Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
[Kind of picky...] In the console, there's a checkbox with the clickable text DSP. I know acronyms are normally capitalized, but in this case if the text read dsp, the tk label/checkbox would accurately reflect the message one sends to pd to turn audio on and off (with the checkbox fulfilling the 0/1 argument). I think someone complained recently that DSP would be less clear to a beginner than compute audio. I think that's true, so if the beginner has to read a help file to figure out what it means, they might as well learn the message dsp 0 and dsp 1 at the same time (and be reminded of the _exact_ selector everytime they look at the console). In a similar vein: what about audiostatus instead of DIO? -Jonathan ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
On Jan 18, 2010, at 7:09 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: [Kind of picky...] In the console, there's a checkbox with the clickable text DSP. I know acronyms are normally capitalized, but in this case if the text read dsp, the tk label/checkbox would accurately reflect the message one sends to pd to turn audio on and off (with the checkbox fulfilling the 0/1 argument). I think someone complained recently that DSP would be less clear to a beginner than compute audio. I think that's true, so if the beginner has to read a help file to figure out what it means, they might as well learn the message dsp 0 and dsp 1 at the same time (and be reminded of the _exact_ selector everytime they look at the console). compute audio is easier to understand, but it then doesn't match the 'pd dsp' message or the Media menu items. I think overall, its easier if people learn that DSP means computing audio as well as other things, and the term DSP is used consistently throughout. I don't have a strong feeling on upper vs lower case on DSP tho. In a similar vein: what about audiostatus instead of DIO? -Jonathan I never use the DIO button and don't really know what it is, so I left it as is ;-) As far as I can gather its an error light for if there are communications troubles with the audio interface. .hc Terrorism is not an enemy. It cannot be defeated. It's a tactic. It's about as sensible to say we declare war on night attacks and expect we're going to win that war. We're not going to win the war on terrorism.- retired U.S. Army general, William Odom ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
It's stupid -- you press it to find out what timing errors have occurred recently, in an unreadable format. The whole thing needs to be rethought :) thanks M On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 11:26:33PM -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Jan 18, 2010, at 7:09 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: [Kind of picky...] In the console, there's a checkbox with the clickable text DSP. I know acronyms are normally capitalized, but in this case if the text read dsp, the tk label/checkbox would accurately reflect the message one sends to pd to turn audio on and off (with the checkbox fulfilling the 0/1 argument). I think someone complained recently that DSP would be less clear to a beginner than compute audio. I think that's true, so if the beginner has to read a help file to figure out what it means, they might as well learn the message dsp 0 and dsp 1 at the same time (and be reminded of the _exact_ selector everytime they look at the console). compute audio is easier to understand, but it then doesn't match the 'pd dsp' message or the Media menu items. I think overall, its easier if people learn that DSP means computing audio as well as other things, and the term DSP is used consistently throughout. I don't have a strong feeling on upper vs lower case on DSP tho. In a similar vein: what about audiostatus instead of DIO? -Jonathan I never use the DIO button and don't really know what it is, so I left it as is ;-) As far as I can gather its an error light for if there are communications troubles with the audio interface. .hc Terrorism is not an enemy. It cannot be defeated. It's a tactic. It's about as sensible to say we declare war on night attacks and expect we're going to win that war. We're not going to win the war on terrorism.- retired U.S. Army general, William Odom ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
--- On Tue, 1/19/10, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Subject: Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: PD list pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 5:26 AM On Jan 18, 2010, at 7:09 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: [Kind of picky...] In the console, there's a checkbox with the clickable text DSP. I know acronyms are normally capitalized, but in this case if the text read dsp, the tk label/checkbox would accurately reflect the message one sends to pd to turn audio on and off (with the checkbox fulfilling the 0/1 argument). I think someone complained recently that DSP would be less clear to a beginner than compute audio. I think that's true, so if the beginner has to read a help file to figure out what it means, they might as well learn the message dsp 0 and dsp 1 at the same time (and be reminded of the _exact_ selector everytime they look at the console). compute audio is easier to understand, but it then doesn't match the 'pd dsp' message or the Media menu items. I think overall, its easier if people learn that DSP means computing audio as well as other things, and the term DSP is used consistently throughout. I don't have a strong feeling on upper vs lower case on DSP tho. Well it's definitely a minor distinction-- I just think that the lower case reflects what's going on under the hood more closely, which is a good thing. Something else I've been wondering about...is there any reason the top of the console couldn't be a pd canvas or a gop? As it is, it's just two [tgl]s, two [vu]s, and maybe a [bng]. Other than the DIO button it's just a [dac~], [adc~], and [s pd], right? -Jonathan In a similar vein: what about audiostatus instead of DIO? -Jonathan I never use the DIO button and don't really know what it is, so I left it as is ;-) As far as I can gather its an error light for if there are communications troubles with the audio interface. .hc ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
András Murányi wrote: 2010/1/14 IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoel...@iem.at András Murányi wrote: PS i'd be happy to give you ssh to my 64-bit box if that helps. Then, I'm very interested in the PPA. I have no idea how to put together a source package, i also don't know makefiles (yet). Do you think I could manage...? hmm, i just tried to build pd-gui-rewrite on my 64bit box and it built out-of-the box and runs out of the box. yes it builds out of the box as always did. i experienced other problems with it: - it seemed like it didn't like my 32-bit pd install any more - this is solved by HC: need to make before. - it never accepted the libraries from my 64-bit pd-extended. My question at this has been fixed recently: library loading used to not work and does now. fgmasdr IOhannes signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
Ok, I fixed one source of scrollbar flickering. Its a Tk bug where it first sends a Configure event with a window size of 1x1, then sends another with the actual size, hence the scrollbar flickering. http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data?view=revrevision=13018 .hc On Jan 10, 2010, at 9:55 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: Hi Hans, There's some scrollbar flickering happening on winxp (see attached patch). -Jonathan --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at..or.at Subject: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable To: PD list pd-list@iem.at Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 11:02 PM There has been lots of work on the 0.43 Pd GUI Rewrite, and it should be quite useable now. Please try it for any daily patching and report any issues that you might have so that they can be fixed. There is a bunch of fun new stuff possible with plugins, like you can bind to any key, for example make O give you an [osc~] and P give you a [pack] while Ctrl-O and Ctrl-P keep their original meanings. For a more complete ChangeLog and links to nightly builds, see: http://puredata.info/dev/PdGuiRewrite Also, here's the beginning of some docs on how to write GUI plugins. Please add anything you know of, and ask questions so we can get more stuff documented: http://puredata.info/docs/PdGuiPluginsAPI .hc Programs should be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute. - from Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list scrollbar-flickering.pd Free software means you control what your computer does. Non-free software means someone else controls that, and to some extent controls you. - Richard M. Stallman ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
2010/1/14 IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoel...@iem.at András Murányi wrote: PS i'd be happy to give you ssh to my 64-bit box if that helps. Then, I'm very interested in the PPA. I have no idea how to put together a source package, i also don't know makefiles (yet). Do you think I could manage...? hmm, i just tried to build pd-gui-rewrite on my 64bit box and it built out-of-the box and runs out of the box. yes it builds out of the box as always did. i experienced other problems with it: - it seemed like it didn't like my 32-bit pd install any more - this is solved by HC: need to make before. - it never accepted the libraries from my 64-bit pd-extended. My question at this moment is: is there a version/branch/whatsoever of the rewrite which serves as a complete pd-extended, or it still relying on my not-rewritten pd-extended install? Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: There has been lots of work on the 0.43 Pd GUI Rewrite, and it should be quite useable now. Please try it for any daily patching and report any issues that you might have so that they can be fixed. There is a bunch of fun new stuff possible with plugins, like you can bind to any key, for example make O give you an [osc~] and P give you a [pack] while Ctrl-O and Ctrl-P keep their original meanings. sounds cool. but how does this help me with my ordinary patching problems? e.g. Ctrl-1 to create a print object Ctrl-2 to create a numberbox try to connect the numberbox with the print object...the circle indicating a found outlet appears, but i cannot draw a chord; instead the number changes. if i try to do this with a msgbox, the msgbox is clicked. i tried to unwind all recent changes (until beginning of the year), but still no luck. i removed all the startup plugins, but still no luck. tried with 8.4 and 8.5 on debian squeeze/sid. ah ja: and i create an object (e.g. [f]) i cannot click besides the object anymore to instantiate it; the only way to do that is to either leave edit-mode (Ctrl-E) or create another thing (e.g. Ctrl-1) i cannot select anything anymore. what happened? fmgasdr IOhannes smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
András Murányi wrote: PS i'd be happy to give you ssh to my 64-bit box if that helps. Then, I'm very interested in the PPA. I have no idea how to put together a source package, i also don't know makefiles (yet). Do you think I could manage...? hmm, i just tried to build pd-gui-rewrite on my 64bit box and it built out-of-the box and runs out of the box. fm,gasdr IOhannes smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: what happened? doesn't happen with my 64bit build; so it seems to be a problem with my setup... fg,asdr IOhannes smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: András Murányi wrote: PS i'd be happy to give you ssh to my 64-bit box if that helps. Then, I'm very interested in the PPA. I have no idea how to put together a source package, i also don't know makefiles (yet). Do you think I could manage...? hmm, i just tried to build pd-gui-rewrite on my 64bit box and it built out-of-the box and runs out of the box. and while some commit yesterday broke library loading yet another time, it's now fixed again. fgmasdr IOhannes smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
On Jan 14, 2010, at 9:26 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: András Murányi wrote: PS i'd be happy to give you ssh to my 64-bit box if that helps. Then, I'm very interested in the PPA. I have no idea how to put together a source package, i also don't know makefiles (yet). Do you think I could manage...? hmm, i just tried to build pd-gui-rewrite on my 64bit box and it built out-of-the box and runs out of the box. and while some commit yesterday broke library loading yet another time, it's now fixed again. fgmasdr IOhannes I said usable, but I didn't say bug free ;). We just did get a bunch of bugs fixed, I'll fix some more today .hc I hate it when they say, He gave his life for his country. Nobody gives their life for anything. We steal the lives of these kids. - Admiral Gene LeRocque ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
hello, yes, it is now compiling. but i've got this message in pd log : WARNING: Font family 'Courier' not found, using default (courier) and : /home/nusmuk/pd/Gem/src/Gem.pd_linux: /home/nusmuk/pd/Gem/src/Gem.pd_linux: undefined symbol: s_symbol /home/nusmuk/pd/Gem/src/Gem: can't load library is there somthnig specific to 0.43 so that i have to recompile gem? cheers C Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit : Ok, a friend just built a fresh Karmic system, and it had the same problem. WTF, why can't autotools/gcc find libm on Ubuntu Karmic? Anyway, I think I found a workaround, I committed it, so please try again :-) .hc On Jan 10, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On your one machine while working on the other... if anyone else can reproduce this build error, I'll gladly take a look again. :-) But I cannot reproduce it. .hc On Jan 10, 2010, at 5:13 PM, cyrille henry wrote: not compiling... c Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit : There has been lots of work on the 0.43 Pd GUI Rewrite, and it should be quite useable now. Please try it for any daily patching and report any issues that you might have so that they can be fixed. There is a bunch of fun new stuff possible with plugins, like you can bind to any key, for example make O give you an [osc~] and P give you a [pack] while Ctrl-O and Ctrl-P keep their original meanings. For a more complete ChangeLog and links to nightly builds, see: http://puredata.info/dev/PdGuiRewrite Also, here's the beginning of some docs on how to write GUI plugins. Please add anything you know of, and ask questions so we can get more stuff documented: http://puredata.info/docs/PdGuiPluginsAPI .hc Programs should be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute. - from Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Mistrust authority - promote decentralization. - the hacker ethic http://at.or.at/hans/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
Am 13.01.10 10:26 schrieb cyrille henry unter c...@chnry.net: hello, yes, it is now compiling. but i've got this message in pd log : WARNING: Font family 'Courier' not found, using default (courier) got the same also on Ubuntu 9.10 (I was still using tcl/tk8.4, probably this would go away with 8.5?) and : /home/nusmuk/pd/Gem/src/Gem.pd_linux: /home/nusmuk/pd/Gem/src/Gem.pd_linux: undefined symbol: s_symbol /home/nusmuk/pd/Gem/src/Gem: can't load library got the same with maxlib/netclient: /usr/local/lib/pd/extra/maxlib/netclient.pd_linux: undefined symbol: s_float can't load library I haven't tried recompiling maxlib against pd-gui-rewrite yet. Would this be supposed to solve the problem? Sorry for repeating myself, but the new window-hierarchy menu is _really_ great, since it eases navigation in patches so much! Thanks for your work, Hans! Roman ___ Der frühe Vogel fängt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
cyrille henry wrote: hello, yes, it is now compiling. but i've got this message in pd log : WARNING: Font family 'Courier' not found, using default (courier) the default font for Pd is Courier (with captial C), which does not exist on your system (and mine). you can change that by adding -font-face courier to the startup-flags. i'm not sure about the implications of changing the default font to courier (s_main.c:68) since it only has an effect on linux and w32 (actually on non-OSX), and i guess that w32 doesn't care about cases, i guess it would be a good idea to change it to courier. and : /home/nusmuk/pd/Gem/src/Gem.pd_linux: /home/nusmuk/pd/Gem/src/Gem.pd_linux: undefined symbol: s_symbol /home/nusmuk/pd/Gem/src/Gem: can't load library is there somthnig specific to 0.43 so that i have to recompile gem? no. this is a bug in the pd-gui-rewrite build system. i think i have fixed it (rev12974). you have to rerun the entire build-chain (./autogen.sh ./configure make) fgmasdr IOhannes smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
cyrille henry wrote: hello, yes, you did fix the Gem loading error. (i had to make clean before autogen etc) ah yes (you should have been able to make clean after autblah as well) so i gess i can now test 0.43 1st, i've got a stupid question : here is a snapshot of both 0.43 an 0.42. do i have a problem somewhere, or is 0.43 really suppose to look better than 0.42? this is how 0.43 currently looks. i take your look better for slight sarcasm here, though i don't think it looks that bad (apart from the non-bold font) there is definitely a bug in the linespacing (\n are inserted at will) fgmadsr IOhannes smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
IOhannes m zmoelnig a écrit : this is how 0.43 currently looks. ok i take your look better for slight sarcasm here, though i don't think it looks that bad (apart from the non-bold font) are the sometimes color changing line a feature why did clear printout disappear? do you think DSP is more clear than compute audio? there is definitely a bug in the linespacing (\n are inserted at will) yep, also. c fgmadsr IOhannes ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
cyrille henry wrote: IOhannes m zmoelnig a écrit : this is how 0.43 currently looks. ok i take your look better for slight sarcasm here, though i don't think it looks that bad (apart from the non-bold font) are the sometimes color changing line a feature i think they are meant to be (to improve readability) why did clear printout disappear? CtrlShiftL do you think DSP is more clear than compute audio? well, personally i don't care about the exact phrasing here. however, in theory it's localized, it's just that whoever did the french translation chose to use DSP rather than calcule de son. fgmasdr IOhannes smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
On Jan 13, 2010, at 4:45 AM, Roman Haefeli wrote: Am 13.01.10 10:26 schrieb cyrille henry unter c...@chnry.net: hello, yes, it is now compiling. but i've got this message in pd log : WARNING: Font family 'Courier' not found, using default (courier) got the same also on Ubuntu 9.10 (I was still using tcl/tk8.4, probably this would go away with 8.5?) Try it and report back please :). Definitely use Tcl/Tk 8.5, it is a big improvement. and : /home/nusmuk/pd/Gem/src/Gem.pd_linux: /home/nusmuk/pd/Gem/src/ Gem.pd_linux: undefined symbol: s_symbol /home/nusmuk/pd/Gem/src/Gem: can't load library got the same with maxlib/netclient: /usr/local/lib/pd/extra/maxlib/netclient.pd_linux: undefined symbol: s_float can't load library I haven't tried recompiling maxlib against pd-gui-rewrite yet. Would this be supposed to solve the problem? I haven't tested this, I don't know what an 0.42 binary wouldn't work with 0.43. I know Miller has added some code to 0.43, but I don't remember the details. Sorry for repeating myself, but the new window-hierarchy menu is _really_ great, since it eases navigation in patches so much! Thanks for your work, Hans! Glad you like it! Hopefully, it also means that 'pd' is doing less work building that menu than the previous menu while 'pd-gui' is handling the rest. .hc Free software means you control what your computer does. Non-free software means someone else controls that, and to some extent controls you. - Richard M. Stallman ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
On Jan 13, 2010, at 11:39 AM, cyrille henry wrote:
IOhannes m zmoelnig a écrit :
this is how 0.43 currently looks.
ok
The look of the font is largely based on what fonts you have installed
and what fonts Tcl/Tk finds and assigns to courier. That is a flaky
process, and something that has changed in Tcl/Tk 8.5. I highly
recommend installing the font Inconsolata, its in Debian, Ubuntu,
Fedora, etc. It makes Pd look really nice, and pd-gui-rewrite will
use it automatically if it can find it.
but i've got this message in pd log :
WARNING: Font family 'Courier' not found, using default (courier)
This means that Tk could not find a font called Courier on your
system and is using the Tk automagic font called 'courier'. Tk has
three of these automagic fonts called Courier, Times, and Helvetica.
How they are handled has changed in 8.5. They used to show up in
[font families], now they don't IIRC. These three automagic fonts are
guaranteed to exist, but they are automagically mapped to some font on
the system, and those fonts they are mapped to are not guaranteed to
be the same font as the name used for the automagic font. This is a
source of lots of font troubles in GNU/Linux, that's why there is some
font detection logic included in 0.43. So it'll detect and use good
fonts like Inconsolata.
If you think you can make the font handling work better on GNU/Linux,
I encourage you to do it. Federico and I have done what we can.
FYI: I switched back this branch to default to bold fonts (shudder...)
in preparation for the merge into vanilla.
i take your look better for slight sarcasm here, though i don't
think
it looks that bad (apart from the non-bold font)
are the sometimes color changing line a feature
I think its a feature, but it should be more subtle. It needs to be
tweaked, its not done yet.
why did clear printout disappear?
Edit-Clear Console and Ctrl-Shift-L
do you think DSP is more clear than compute audio?
What if you are not working with audio but doing other kinds of
digital signal processing? The message is called 'pd dsp 1'. Having
the same thing named three different ways makes no sense (Pd window
checkbox compute audio, Media menu audio on/off, pd message pd
dsp 1). So now its called DSP all three places.
If you don't like the new Pd window, take the file pdwindow.tcl,
rename it to pdwindow-plugin.tcl and put it in your Pd path. Then
make your own custom Pd window. Here's the steps:
- rename the namespace from 'pdwindow' to something else
- delete these public procs: ::pdwindow::create_window, pdtk_post,
pdtk_pd_dsp, pdtk_pd_meters, pdtk_pd_dio, using rename pdtk_post {}
- implement those above procs with those names
I'd like to see if this is possible. Let me know if you have
troubles, and I'll see what I can fix in the 0.43 code to make it
easier to do this kind of thing.
.hc
there is definitely a bug in the linespacing (\n are inserted at
will)
yep, also.
c
fgmadsr
IOhannes
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Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :
On Jan 13, 2010, at 11:39 AM, cyrille henry wrote:
IOhannes m zmoelnig a écrit :
this is how 0.43 currently looks.
ok
The look of the font is largely based on what fonts you have installed
and what fonts Tcl/Tk finds and assigns to courier. That is a flaky
process, and something that has changed in Tcl/Tk 8.5. I highly
recommend installing the font Inconsolata, its in Debian, Ubuntu,
Fedora, etc. It makes Pd look really nice, and pd-gui-rewrite will use
it automatically if it can find it.
i install ttf-inconsolata, and still have the same error and same look.
(?)
but i've got this message in pd log :
WARNING: Font family 'Courier' not found, using default (courier)
This means that Tk could not find a font called Courier on your system
and is using the Tk automagic font called 'courier'. Tk has three of
these automagic fonts called Courier, Times, and Helvetica. How they
are handled has changed in 8.5. They used to show up in [font
families], now they don't IIRC. These three automagic fonts are
guaranteed to exist, but they are automagically mapped to some font on
the system, and those fonts they are mapped to are not guaranteed to be
the same font as the name used for the automagic font. This is a source
of lots of font troubles in GNU/Linux, that's why there is some font
detection logic included in 0.43. So it'll detect and use good fonts
like Inconsolata.
If you think you can make the font handling work better on GNU/Linux, I
encourage you to do it. Federico and I have done what we can.
FYI: I switched back this branch to default to bold fonts (shudder...)
in preparation for the merge into vanilla.
cool
i take your look better for slight sarcasm here, though i don't think
it looks that bad (apart from the non-bold font)
are the sometimes color changing line a feature
I think its a feature, but it should be more subtle. It needs to be
tweaked, its not done yet.
ok
why did clear printout disappear?
Edit-Clear Console and Ctrl-Shift-L
do you think DSP is more clear than compute audio?
What if you are not working with audio but doing other kinds of digital
signal processing? The message is called 'pd dsp 1'. Having the same
thing named three different ways makes no sense (Pd window checkbox
compute audio, Media menu audio on/off, pd message pd dsp 1). So
now its called DSP all three places.
If you don't like the new Pd window, take the file pdwindow.tcl,
rename it to pdwindow-plugin.tcl and put it in your Pd path. Then
make your own custom Pd window. Here's the steps:
- rename the namespace from 'pdwindow' to something else
- delete these public procs: ::pdwindow::create_window, pdtk_post,
pdtk_pd_dsp, pdtk_pd_meters, pdtk_pd_dio, using rename pdtk_post {}
- implement those above procs with those names
well, i also don't really read this text, so i do not fell the need to change
it on my computer. but i think some peoples who use pd to make sound does not
know what is a dsp.
c
I'd like to see if this is possible. Let me know if you have troubles,
and I'll see what I can fix in the 0.43 code to make it easier to do
this kind of thing.
.hc
there is definitely a bug in the linespacing (\n are inserted at will)
yep, also.
c
fgmadsr
IOhannes
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Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:32 +0100, cyrille henry c...@chnry.net wrote:
Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :
On Jan 13, 2010, at 11:39 AM, cyrille henry wrote:
IOhannes m zmoelnig a écrit :
this is how 0.43 currently looks.
ok
The look of the font is largely based on what fonts you have installed
and what fonts Tcl/Tk finds and assigns to courier. That is a flaky
process, and something that has changed in Tcl/Tk 8.5. I highly
recommend installing the font Inconsolata, its in Debian, Ubuntu,
Fedora, etc. It makes Pd look really nice, and pd-gui-rewrite will use
it automatically if it can find it.
i install ttf-inconsolata, and still have the same error and same look.
(?)
Are you sure it doesn't look like this, this is what I get and then
Inconsolata works:
WARNING: Font family 'Courier' not found, using default (Inconsolata)
Otherwise, try this:
http://puredata.info/docs/faq/on-gnu-linux-the-fonts-are-strange-and-or-too-big-or-small
.hc
but i've got this message in pd log :
WARNING: Font family 'Courier' not found, using default (courier)
This means that Tk could not find a font called Courier on your system
and is using the Tk automagic font called 'courier'. Tk has three of
these automagic fonts called Courier, Times, and Helvetica. How they
are handled has changed in 8.5. They used to show up in [font
families], now they don't IIRC. These three automagic fonts are
guaranteed to exist, but they are automagically mapped to some font on
the system, and those fonts they are mapped to are not guaranteed to be
the same font as the name used for the automagic font. This is a source
of lots of font troubles in GNU/Linux, that's why there is some font
detection logic included in 0.43. So it'll detect and use good fonts
like Inconsolata.
If you think you can make the font handling work better on GNU/Linux, I
encourage you to do it. Federico and I have done what we can.
FYI: I switched back this branch to default to bold fonts (shudder...)
in preparation for the merge into vanilla.
cool
i take your look better for slight sarcasm here, though i don't think
it looks that bad (apart from the non-bold font)
are the sometimes color changing line a feature
I think its a feature, but it should be more subtle. It needs to be
tweaked, its not done yet.
ok
why did clear printout disappear?
Edit-Clear Console and Ctrl-Shift-L
do you think DSP is more clear than compute audio?
What if you are not working with audio but doing other kinds of digital
signal processing? The message is called 'pd dsp 1'. Having the same
thing named three different ways makes no sense (Pd window checkbox
compute audio, Media menu audio on/off, pd message pd dsp 1). So
now its called DSP all three places.
If you don't like the new Pd window, take the file pdwindow.tcl,
rename it to pdwindow-plugin.tcl and put it in your Pd path. Then
make your own custom Pd window. Here's the steps:
- rename the namespace from 'pdwindow' to something else
- delete these public procs: ::pdwindow::create_window, pdtk_post,
pdtk_pd_dsp, pdtk_pd_meters, pdtk_pd_dio, using rename pdtk_post {}
- implement those above procs with those names
well, i also don't really read this text, so i do not fell the need to
change it on my computer. but i think some peoples who use pd to make
sound does not know what is a dsp.
c
I'd like to see if this is possible. Let me know if you have troubles,
and I'll see what I can fix in the 0.43 code to make it easier to do
this kind of thing.
.hc
there is definitely a bug in the linespacing (\n are inserted at will)
yep, also.
c
fgmadsr
IOhannes
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Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
I haven't had that happen, but I am on a 2 year old machine, which is pretty fast. It sounds like it shouldn't happen tho. Does it happen with other patches, or just help-intro.pd? .hc On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:21 -0800, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: When I open help-intro.pd and try to close it, it either hangs or takes forever to close (winxp). Anyone else experience this? My computer isn't real fast, so if you have a mean machine try select all - copy and paste and see if you can reproduce this. I've never had this problem until now.. -Jonathan ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:53 +0100, András Murányi muran...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 11:02 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.atwrote: There has been lots of work on the 0.43 Pd GUI Rewrite, and it should be quite useable now. Please try it for any daily patching and report any issues that you might have so that they can be fixed. There is a bunch of fun new stuff possible with plugins, like you can bind to any key, for example make O give you an [osc~] and P give you a [pack] while Ctrl-O and Ctrl-P keep their original meanings. For a more complete ChangeLog and links to nightly builds, see: http://puredata.info/dev/PdGuiRewrite Then it may be time to examine why on my AMD64 system neither my own-built pd, neither others' 64-bit pd binaries are willing to cooperate with the rewrite. I have tried all 64-bit builds i could get my hands on but the rewrite refused to load the libs from any of them. Anyone who successfully used pd with pd-gui-rewrite on 64-bit? Andras The code is pretty simple, so it should work, but I don't have a 64-bit system to work on. I'd really like to get everything building on 64-bit, so please do post problems/errors. .hc ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
It happens with help-intro.pd, and it also happens sometimes when I open about 18 of the help patches at a time from the reference folder. Sometimes if I try to close one of the patches, part of that patch goes blank but it doesn't finish closing, and I have to kill pd. I tried to make a really lengthy patch to see if that was the problem, and it wasn't. But I found a different problem: if I open the attached patch, select all, and just hold down shift-down-arrow for awhile (30 secs), I get the following error: (Tcl) UNHANDLED ERROR: wrong # args: should be . option ?arg arg ...? while executing . (uplevel body line 471) invoked from within uplevel #0 $cmd_from_pd (Tcl) INVALID COMMAND NAME: invalid command name xa5c6e8.c while executing xa5c6e8.c coords .xa5c6e8.ta3b0f8R 151 3582 183 3582 183 3601 151 3601 151 3582 (uplevel body line 1) invoked from within uplevel #0 $cmd_from_pd Then some of the text inside object boxes get screwy looking until I minimize the patch, then it looks fine. -Jonathan --- On Thu, 1/14/10, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Subject: Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com, PD list pd-list@iem.at, András Murányi muran...@gmail.com Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010, 12:50 AM I haven't had that happen, but I am on a 2 year old machine, which is pretty fast. It sounds like it shouldn't happen tho. Does it happen with other patches, or just help-intro.pd? .hc On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:21 -0800, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: When I open help-intro.pd and try to close it, it either hangs or takes forever to close (winxp). Anyone else experience this? My computer isn't real fast, so if you have a mean machine try select all - copy and paste and see if you can reproduce this. I've never had this problem until now.. -Jonathan ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list #N canvas 0 0 466 300 12; #X obj 151 22 osc~; #X obj 151 52 osc~; #X obj 151 82 osc~; #X obj 151 112 osc~; #X obj 151 142 osc~; #X obj 151 172 osc~; #X obj 151 202 osc~; #X obj 151 232 osc~; #X obj 151 262 osc~; #X obj 151 292 osc~; #X obj 151 322 osc~; #X obj 151 352 osc~; #X obj 151 382 osc~; #X obj 151 412 osc~; #X obj 151 442 osc~; #X obj 151 472 osc~; #X obj 151 502 osc~; #X obj 151 532 osc~; #X obj 151 562 osc~; #X obj 151 592 osc~; #X obj 151 622 osc~; #X obj 151 652 osc~; #X obj 151 682 osc~; #X obj 151 712 osc~; #X obj 151 742 osc~; #X obj 151 772 osc~; #X obj 151 802 osc~; #X obj 151 832 osc~; #X obj 151 862 osc~; #X obj 151 892 osc~; #X obj 151 922 osc~; #X obj 151 952 osc~; #X obj 151 982 osc~; #X obj 151 1012 osc~; #X obj 151 1042 osc~; #X obj 151 1072 osc~; #X obj 151 1102 osc~; #X obj 151 1132 osc~; #X obj 151 1162 osc~; #X obj 151 1192 osc~; #X obj 151 1222 osc~; #X obj 151 1252 osc~; #X obj 151 1282 osc~; #X obj 151 1312 osc~; #X obj 151 1342 osc~; #X obj 151 1372 osc~; #X obj 151 1402 osc~; #X obj 151 1432 osc~; #X obj 151 1462 osc~; #X obj 151 1492 osc~; #X obj 151 1522 osc~; #X obj 151 1552 osc~; #X obj 151 1582 osc~; #X obj 151 1612 osc~; #X obj 151 1642 osc~; #X obj 151 1672 osc~; #X obj 151 1702 osc~; #X obj 151 1732 osc~; #X obj 151 1762 osc~; #X obj 151 1792 osc~; #X obj 151 1822 osc~; #X obj 151 1852 osc~; #X obj 151 1882 osc~; #X obj 151 1912 osc~; #X obj 151 1942 osc~; #X obj 151 1972 osc~; #X obj 151 2002 osc~; #X obj 151 2032 osc~; #X obj 151 2062 osc~; #X obj 151 2092 osc~; #X obj 151 2122 osc~; #X obj 151 2152 osc~; #X obj 151 2182 osc~; #X obj 151 2212 osc~; #X obj 151 2242 osc~; #X obj 151 2272 osc~; #X obj 151 2302 osc~; #X obj 151 2332 osc~; #X obj 151 2362 osc~; #X obj 151 2392 osc~; #X obj 151 2422 osc~; #X obj 151 2452 osc~; #X obj 151 2482 osc~; #X obj 151 2512 osc~; #X obj 151 2542 osc~; #X obj 151 2572 osc~; #X obj 151 2602 osc~; #X obj 151 2632 osc~; #X obj 151 2662 osc~; #X obj 151 2692 osc~; #X obj 151 2722 osc~; #X obj 151 2752 osc~; #X obj 151 2782 osc~; #X obj 151 2812 osc~; #X obj 151 2842 osc~; #X obj 151 2872 osc~; #X obj 151 2962 osc~; #X obj 151 2992 osc~; #X obj 151 3022 osc~; #X obj 151 3052 osc~; #X obj 151 3082 osc~; #X obj 151 3112 osc~; #X obj 151 3142 osc~; #X obj 151 3172 osc~; #X obj 151 3202 osc~; #X obj 151 3232 osc~; #X obj 151 3262 osc~; #X obj 151 3292 osc~; #X obj 151 3322 osc~; #X obj 151 3352 osc~; #X obj 151 3382 osc~; #X obj 151 3412 osc~; #X obj 151 3442 osc~; #X obj 151 3472 osc~; #X obj 151 3502 osc~; #X obj 151 3532 osc~; #X obj 151 3562 osc~; #X obj 151 3592 osc~; #X obj 151 3622 osc~; #X obj 151 3652 osc~; #X obj 151 3682 osc~; #X obj 151 3712 osc~; #X obj 151 3742 osc~; #X obj 151 3772 osc~; #X obj 151 3802 osc~; #X obj 151 3832 osc~; #X obj 151 3862 osc~; #X obj 151 3892 osc~; #X obj 151 3922 osc~; #X obj
Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
There has been lots of work on the 0.43 Pd GUI Rewrite, and it should be quite useable now. Please try it for any daily patching and report any issues that you might have so that they can be fixed. There is a bunch of fun new stuff possible with plugins, like you can bind to any key, for example make O give you an [osc~] and P give you a [pack] while Ctrl-O and Ctrl-P keep their original meanings. For a more complete ChangeLog and links to nightly builds, see: http://puredata.info/dev/PdGuiRewrite Then it may be time to examine why on my AMD64 system neither my own-built pd, neither others' 64-bit pd binaries are willing to cooperate with the rewrite. I have tried all 64-bit builds i could get my hands on but the rewrite refused to load the libs from any of them. Anyone who successfully used pd with pd-gui-rewrite on 64-bit? Andras The code is pretty simple, so it should work, but I don't have a 64-bit system to work on. I'd really like to get everything building on 64-bit, so please do post problems/errors. Well, now I'm back to an i386 pd-extended. The newest gui-rewrite says ERROR: 'pd' never showed up, 'pd-gui' quitting!. Is this normal? (Earlier versions started up alrite, just didn't load the libs.) Andras PS i'd be happy to give you ssh to my 64-bit box if that helps. Then, I'm very interested in the PPA. I have no idea how to put together a source package, i also don't know makefiles (yet). Do you think I could manage...? ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 04:31 +0100, András Murányi muran...@gmail.com wrote: There has been lots of work on the 0.43 Pd GUI Rewrite, and it should be quite useable now. Please try it for any daily patching and report any issues that you might have so that they can be fixed. There is a bunch of fun new stuff possible with plugins, like you can bind to any key, for example make O give you an [osc~] and P give you a [pack] while Ctrl-O and Ctrl-P keep their original meanings. For a more complete ChangeLog and links to nightly builds, see: http://puredata.info/dev/PdGuiRewrite Then it may be time to examine why on my AMD64 system neither my own-built pd, neither others' 64-bit pd binaries are willing to cooperate with the rewrite. I have tried all 64-bit builds i could get my hands on but the rewrite refused to load the libs from any of them. Anyone who successfully used pd with pd-gui-rewrite on 64-bit? Andras The code is pretty simple, so it should work, but I don't have a 64-bit system to work on. I'd really like to get everything building on 64-bit, so please do post problems/errors. Well, now I'm back to an i386 pd-extended. The newest gui-rewrite says ERROR: 'pd' never showed up, 'pd-gui' quitting!. Is this normal? (Earlier versions started up alrite, just didn't load the libs.) If you haven't run make install then you have to run it like this: cd 0.43 ./autogen.sh ./configure make cd src ./pd Andras PS i'd be happy to give you ssh to my 64-bit box if that helps. Yes, I could do that. I'll send you my ssh key in a PGP signed email. Then, I'm very interested in the PPA. I have no idea how to put together a source package, i also don't know makefiles (yet). Do you think I could manage...? That's a good idea. I was just working on getting pd-gui-rewrite branch to build with 'debbuild'. Once I get that, I'll try submitting it to launchpad. .hc ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
just downloaded the latest build for xp. as soon as I click on the pd window, this appears: can't set ::editmode(.pdwindow): invalid command name .pdwindow.c invalid command name .pdwindow.c while executing $mycanvas configure -background white (procedure set_cords_by_editmode line 16) invoked from within set_cords_by_editmode ::editmode .pdwindow write (write trace on ::editmode(.pdwindow)) invoked from within set ::editmode($mytoplevel) $state (procedure pdtk_canvas_editmode line 3) invoked from within pdtk_canvas_editmode .pdwindow 0 (procedure ::pd_menus::configure_for_pdwindow line 13) invoked from within ::pd_menus::configure_for_pdwindow (procedure ::pd_bindings::window_focusin line 9) invoked from within ::pd_bindings::window_focusin .pdwindow (command bound to event) and that's it, not possible even to go to the pd window. pd has to be force shut. João There has been lots of work on the 0.43 Pd GUI Rewrite, and it should be quite useable now. Please try it for any daily patching and report any issues that you might have so that they can be fixed. There is a bunch of fun new stuff possible with plugins, like you can bind to any key, for example make O give you an [osc~] and P give you a [pack] while Ctrl-O and Ctrl-P keep their original meanings. For a more complete ChangeLog and links to nightly builds, see: http://puredata.info/dev/PdGuiRewrite Also, here's the beginning of some docs on how to write GUI plugins. Please add anything you know of, and ask questions so we can get more stuff documented: http://puredata.info/docs/PdGuiPluginsAPI .hc Programs should be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute. - from Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Friedenstr. 58 10249 Berlin (Deutschland) Tel +49 30 42020091 | Mob +49 162 6843570 Studio +49 30 69509190 jm...@gmx.net | skype: jmmmpjmmmp ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
João Pais wrote: just downloaded the latest build for xp. as soon as I click on the pd window, this appears: can't set ::editmode(.pdwindow): invalid command name .pdwindow.c invalid command name .pdwindow.c while executing $mycanvas configure -background white (procedure set_cords_by_editmode line 16) invoked from within set_cords_by_editmode ::editmode .pdwindow write (write trace on ::editmode(.pdwindow)) invoked from within set ::editmode($mytoplevel) $state (procedure pdtk_canvas_editmode line 3) invoked from within pdtk_canvas_editmode .pdwindow 0 (procedure ::pd_menus::configure_for_pdwindow line 13) invoked from within ::pd_menus::configure_for_pdwindow (procedure ::pd_bindings::window_focusin line 9) invoked from within ::pd_bindings::window_focusin .pdwindow (command bound to event) try deleting all the startup-plugins in the startup/; i think one of them is buggy. fgmasdr IOhannes smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
try deleting all the startup-plugins in the startup/; i think one of them is buggy. sorry, where is that? I'm not following the discussion, in case that was explained somewhere. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
On Jan 12, 2010, at 1:52 PM, João Pais wrote: try deleting all the startup-plugins in the startup/; i think one of them is buggy. sorry, where is that? I'm not following the discussion, in case that was explained somewhere. path/to/pd/startup, or you might have installed a plugin in previous attempts. The plugin files are called *-plugin.tcl and they can be loaded from anywhere in your Pd path (i.e. set in the preferences, - path on the command line, etc.) .hc Using ReBirth is like trying to play an 808 with a long stick.- David Zicarelli ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
try deleting all the startup-plugins in the startup/; i think one of them is buggy. sorry, where is that? I'm not following the discussion, in case that was explained somewhere. path/to/pd/startup, or you might have installed a plugin in previous attempts. The plugin files are called *-plugin.tcl and they can be loaded from anywhere in your Pd path (i.e. set in the preferences, -path on the command line, etc.) something funny here. I don't see that file/folder(?). also, there aren't any *-plugin.tcl files in my pd-ext. I also never installed any tcl plugins. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
On Jan 12, 2010, at 2:20 PM, João Pais wrote: try deleting all the startup-plugins in the startup/; i think one of them is buggy. sorry, where is that? I'm not following the discussion, in case that was explained somewhere. path/to/pd/startup, or you might have installed a plugin in previous attempts. The plugin files are called *-plugin.tcl and they can be loaded from anywhere in your Pd path (i.e. set in the preferences, -path on the command line, etc.) something funny here. I don't see that file/folder(?). also, there aren't any *-plugin.tcl files in my pd-ext. I also never installed any tcl plugins. I am guessing you have an old version of editmode_look-plugin.tcl or hide_cords-plugin.tcl in your pd/startup folder, or maybe /Program Files/Common Files/Pd. .hc Information wants to be free.-Stewart Brand ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
Ok, a friend just built a fresh Karmic system, and it had the same problem. WTF, why can't autotools/gcc find libm on Ubuntu Karmic? Anyway, I think I found a workaround, I committed it, so please try again :-) .hc On Jan 10, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On your one machine while working on the other... if anyone else can reproduce this build error, I'll gladly take a look again. :-) But I cannot reproduce it. .hc On Jan 10, 2010, at 5:13 PM, cyrille henry wrote: not compiling... c Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit : There has been lots of work on the 0.43 Pd GUI Rewrite, and it should be quite useable now. Please try it for any daily patching and report any issues that you might have so that they can be fixed. There is a bunch of fun new stuff possible with plugins, like you can bind to any key, for example make O give you an [osc~] and P give you a [pack] while Ctrl-O and Ctrl-P keep their original meanings. For a more complete ChangeLog and links to nightly builds, see: http://puredata.info/dev/PdGuiRewrite Also, here's the beginning of some docs on how to write GUI plugins. Please add anything you know of, and ask questions so we can get more stuff documented: http://puredata.info/docs/PdGuiPluginsAPI .hc Programs should be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute. - from Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Mistrust authority - promote decentralization. - the hacker ethic http://at.or.at/hans/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 11:02 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.atwrote: There has been lots of work on the 0.43 Pd GUI Rewrite, and it should be quite useable now. Please try it for any daily patching and report any issues that you might have so that they can be fixed. There is a bunch of fun new stuff possible with plugins, like you can bind to any key, for example make O give you an [osc~] and P give you a [pack] while Ctrl-O and Ctrl-P keep their original meanings. For a more complete ChangeLog and links to nightly builds, see: http://puredata.info/dev/PdGuiRewrite Then it may be time to examine why on my AMD64 system neither my own-built pd, neither others' 64-bit pd binaries are willing to cooperate with the rewrite. I have tried all 64-bit builds i could get my hands on but the rewrite refused to load the libs from any of them. Anyone who successfully used pd with pd-gui-rewrite on 64-bit? Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
When I open help-intro.pd and try to close it, it either hangs or takes forever to close (winxp). Anyone else experience this? My computer isn't real fast, so if you have a mean machine try select all - copy and paste and see if you can reproduce this. I've never had this problem until now.. -Jonathan ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
There has been lots of work on the 0.43 Pd GUI Rewrite, and it should be quite useable now. Please try it for any daily patching and report any issues that you might have so that they can be fixed. There is a bunch of fun new stuff possible with plugins, like you can bind to any key, for example make O give you an [osc~] and P give you a [pack] while Ctrl-O and Ctrl-P keep their original meanings. For a more complete ChangeLog and links to nightly builds, see: http://puredata.info/dev/PdGuiRewrite Also, here's the beginning of some docs on how to write GUI plugins. Please add anything you know of, and ask questions so we can get more stuff documented: http://puredata.info/docs/PdGuiPluginsAPI .hc Programs should be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute. - from Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
not compiling... c Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit : There has been lots of work on the 0.43 Pd GUI Rewrite, and it should be quite useable now. Please try it for any daily patching and report any issues that you might have so that they can be fixed. There is a bunch of fun new stuff possible with plugins, like you can bind to any key, for example make O give you an [osc~] and P give you a [pack] while Ctrl-O and Ctrl-P keep their original meanings. For a more complete ChangeLog and links to nightly builds, see: http://puredata.info/dev/PdGuiRewrite Also, here's the beginning of some docs on how to write GUI plugins. Please add anything you know of, and ask questions so we can get more stuff documented: http://puredata.info/docs/PdGuiPluginsAPI .hc Programs should be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute. - from Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
On your one machine while working on the other... if anyone else can reproduce this build error, I'll gladly take a look again. :-) But I cannot reproduce it. .hc On Jan 10, 2010, at 5:13 PM, cyrille henry wrote: not compiling... c Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit : There has been lots of work on the 0.43 Pd GUI Rewrite, and it should be quite useable now. Please try it for any daily patching and report any issues that you might have so that they can be fixed. There is a bunch of fun new stuff possible with plugins, like you can bind to any key, for example make O give you an [osc~] and P give you a [pack] while Ctrl-O and Ctrl-P keep their original meanings. For a more complete ChangeLog and links to nightly builds, see: http://puredata.info/dev/PdGuiRewrite Also, here's the beginning of some docs on how to write GUI plugins. Please add anything you know of, and ask questions so we can get more stuff documented: http://puredata.info/docs/PdGuiPluginsAPI .hc Programs should be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute. - from Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Mistrust authority - promote decentralization. - the hacker ethic ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
Hi Hans, There's some scrollbar flickering happening on winxp (see attached patch). -Jonathan --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at..or.at Subject: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable To: PD list pd-list@iem.at Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 11:02 PM There has been lots of work on the 0.43 Pd GUI Rewrite, and it should be quite useable now. Please try it for any daily patching and report any issues that you might have so that they can be fixed. There is a bunch of fun new stuff possible with plugins, like you can bind to any key, for example make O give you an [osc~] and P give you a [pack] while Ctrl-O and Ctrl-P keep their original meanings. For a more complete ChangeLog and links to nightly builds, see: http://puredata.info/dev/PdGuiRewrite Also, here's the beginning of some docs on how to write GUI plugins. Please add anything you know of, and ask questions so we can get more stuff documented: http://puredata.info/docs/PdGuiPluginsAPI .hc Programs should be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute. - from Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list #N canvas 227 181 450 300 12; #N canvas 428 306 277 188 example1 0; #X text 32 13 scroll bars flicker when; #X text 32 27 patch is opened; #X text 24 65 (only happens when subpatch; #X text 30 84 isn't empty); #X restore 182 58 pd example1; #N canvas 469 242 167 218 example2 0; #X obj 20 43 cnv 15 150 60 empty empty empty 20 12 0 14 -233017 -66577 0; #X text 11 6 bottom scroll bar; #X text 11 21 flickers when you; #X text 6 42 create an object \,; #X text 8 58 message \, comment; #X text 10 81 or move mouse across; #X text 10 98 window border; #X restore 182 98 pd example2; ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
