Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable

2010-01-30 Thread William Brent
The rewrite is looking fantastic.  I've just started to use it and
noticed that bonk~'s [minvel( setting doesn't seem to work.  Compare
the helpfile behavior in 0.43 vs 0.42-5 or previous Pd-ext builds. If
you allow the cooked output to print, then change minvel to something
enormous (say, 1), it shouldn't report any attacks. In 42-5 it
doesn't, but in 43 it goes on as if minvel were still the default
value of 7. Yet, if you send bonk~ a [print( message to show it's
internal settings, you can see that minvel has changed. Also, [thresh(
seems to behave normally.

This is on Intel Mac OS 10.5.8 with Pd 0.43.0devel-20100120.  How
about other platforms?



On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 8:51 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote:

 On Jan 20, 2010, at 12:58 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:

 I downloaded 0.43.0-devel-20100119 (windows) and found a few things:

 1) A patch like the one I attached used to have no scrollbars (all the way
 up to the dev version I downloaded on the 11th).  Now it has scrollbars.

 Hmm, will test.

 2) In the attached patch right-clicking and getting Properties or
 Help doesn't work properly.  For instance, if I right-click on [bag] in
 the upper right-hand corner and choose Help, it gives me intro-help.pd.
 If I right-click the message box with the selector clear in it and
 choose
 help, it gives me text-help.pd.

 Hmm, will test.

 3) For menu-Window: is the tree structure represented solely by
 indentation?

 Yes, only intentation, but I am open to suggestions for bettter ways.

 There was some problem I was running into with the previous build where
 selected text in a msg box sticks until you force a refresh by
 minimizing/maximizing, but it looks you fixed it.

 Phew, making some progress ;)

 .hc

 

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Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable

2010-01-20 Thread João Pais
Just downloaded today's windows version, and there's no change from the  
latest version. Am I the only one to whom this happens?


can't set ::editmode(.pdwindow): invalid command name .pdwindow.c
invalid command name .pdwindow.c
while executing
$mycanvas configure -background white
(procedure set_cords_by_editmode line 16)
invoked from within
set_cords_by_editmode ::editmode .pdwindow write
(write trace on ::editmode(.pdwindow))
invoked from within
set ::editmode($mytoplevel) $state
(procedure pdtk_canvas_editmode line 3)
invoked from within
pdtk_canvas_editmode .pdwindow 0
(procedure ::pd_menus::configure_for_pdwindow line 13)
invoked from within
::pd_menus::configure_for_pdwindow 
(procedure ::pd_bindings::window_focusin line 9)
invoked from within
::pd_bindings::window_focusin .pdwindow
(command bound to event)

João


On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 06:58:04 +0100, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com  
wrote:



I downloaded 0.43.0-devel-20100119 (windows) and found a few things:

1) A patch like the one I attached used to have no scrollbars (all the  
way

up to the dev version I downloaded on the 11th).  Now it has scrollbars.

2) In the attached patch right-clicking and getting Properties or
Help doesn't work properly.  For instance, if I right-click on [bag] in
the upper right-hand corner and choose Help, it gives me intro-help.pd.
If I right-click the message box with the selector clear in it and  
choose

help, it gives me text-help.pd.

3) For menu-Window: is the tree structure represented solely by
indentation?

There was some problem I was running into with the previous build where  
selected text in a msg box sticks until you force a refresh by

minimizing/maximizing, but it looks you fixed it.

-Jonathan





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Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable

2010-01-20 Thread João Pais

Hi,

found the problem that was causing the error message and pd to block,  
although I don't understand it: I have a main patch that gets loaded with  
pd everytime. For some reason it was causing this problem. But I can't say  
now what's causing the problem, because part of the patch is in a GOP, and  
now in pd GOPs don't open (any GOP).


2 small details:

- in the browser there's the non-existing 0.Pd folder, as well as lots of  
patches in the first column. I don't know what is the logic, probably I  
missed some message. The first element of a browser column is always  
underlined.


- the menus in path and startup are still with a very small font size,  
unreadable for someone who doesn't know them beforehand.


More I can't say for now.

João


I downloaded 0.43.0-devel-20100119 (windows) and found a few things:

1) A patch like the one I attached used to have no scrollbars (all the  
way

up to the dev version I downloaded on the 11th).  Now it has scrollbars.

2) In the attached patch right-clicking and getting Properties or
Help doesn't work properly.  For instance, if I right-click on [bag] in
the upper right-hand corner and choose Help, it gives me intro-help.pd.
If I right-click the message box with the selector clear in it and  
choose

help, it gives me text-help.pd.

3) For menu-Window: is the tree structure represented solely by
indentation?

There was some problem I was running into with the previous build where  
selected text in a msg box sticks until you force a refresh by

minimizing/maximizing, but it looks you fixed it.

-Jonathan





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Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable

2010-01-20 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner


On Jan 20, 2010, at 12:58 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:


I downloaded 0.43.0-devel-20100119 (windows) and found a few things:

1) A patch like the one I attached used to have no scrollbars (all  
the way
up to the dev version I downloaded on the 11th).  Now it has  
scrollbars.


Hmm, will test.


2) In the attached patch right-clicking and getting Properties or
Help doesn't work properly.  For instance, if I right-click on  
[bag] in
the upper right-hand corner and choose Help, it gives me intro- 
help.pd.
If I right-click the message box with the selector clear in it and  
choose

help, it gives me text-help.pd.


Hmm, will test.


3) For menu-Window: is the tree structure represented solely by
indentation?


Yes, only intentation, but I am open to suggestions for bettter ways.

There was some problem I was running into with the previous build  
where selected text in a msg box sticks until you force a refresh by

minimizing/maximizing, but it looks you fixed it.


Phew, making some progress ;)

.hc



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Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable

2010-01-19 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
 
 compute audio is easier to understand, but it then doesn't match the
 'pd dsp' message or the Media menu items.  

häh?

the media menu items in Pd =0.42 reads audio ON and audio OFF.
these do not match the pd dsp message, but kind of relate to compute
audio.

indeed in pd-gui-rewrite, the audio ON is renamed to DSP An and DSP
Aus (seems like the former is a demand for a de_AT localization :-))
but that doesn't really help the argument.

 I think overall, its easier
 if people learn that DSP means computing audio as well as other things,
 and the term DSP is used consistently throughout. 

makes sense.
otoh, most newbies (those who probably won't start using [; pd dsp 1()
will want to turn on audio rather than learn what dsp means.
on the third hand, they will probaby wonder why they have to turn on
anything, so it won't matter whether it's audio or dsp.

finally: this is surely time for a tooltip lingering over the DSP
button, explaining, that this is the button to press if you want to hear
something.

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Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable

2010-01-19 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo,

didn't test it yet, but you probably made my day. :)

Ciao
-- 
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Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:

 Indeed!  That stupid bug has been around far too long.  No more!

 http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data?view=revrevision=13040

 Keep reporting, and I'll do my best to keep fixing.

 .hc

 On Jan 18, 2010, at 9:28 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote:

 Hallo,

 probably not related to scrollbar, but to coordinates in general: Do  
 you think
 it will now be possible to fix the longstanding issue of Pd showing  
 the help
 menu far away from the mouseclick, if the coordinates of the viewport 
 and those
 of the canvas disagree (for example if you've scrolled to the bottom  
 of the
 help-intro.pd patch and try to open the help for e.g. [pointer] or if 
 you have
 moved objects into the upper right area of (0,0)? That would be cool  
 to have
 fixed after all these years. :)

 Ciao
 -- 
 Frank

 Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:

 Ok, I fixed one source of scrollbar flickering.  Its a Tk bug where  
 it
 first sends a Configure event with a window size of 1x1, then sends
 another with the actual size, hence the scrollbar flickering.

 http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data?view=revrevision=13018

 .hc

 On Jan 10, 2010, at 9:55 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:

 Hi Hans,
There's some scrollbar flickering happening on winxp (see  
 attached
 patch).

 -Jonathan

 --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote:

 From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at..or.at
 Subject: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
 To: PD list pd-list@iem.at
 Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 11:02 PM

 There has been lots of work on the 0.43 Pd GUI Rewrite, and
 it should be quite useable now.  Please try it for any
 daily patching and report any issues that you might have so
 that they can be fixed.  There is a bunch of fun new
 stuff possible with plugins, like you can bind to any key,
 for example make O give you an [osc~] and P give you a
 [pack] while Ctrl-O and Ctrl-P keep their original
 meanings.

 For a more complete ChangeLog and links to nightly builds,
 see:
 http://puredata.info/dev/PdGuiRewrite

 Also, here's the beginning of some docs on how to write GUI
 plugins.  Please add anything you know of, and ask
 questions so we can get more stuff documented:

 http://puredata.info/docs/PdGuiPluginsAPI

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Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable

2010-01-19 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner


On Jan 19, 2010, at 3:35 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:


Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:


compute audio is easier to understand, but it then doesn't match  
the

'pd dsp' message or the Media menu items.


häh?

the media menu items in Pd =0.42 reads audio ON and audio OFF.
these do not match the pd dsp message, but kind of relate to  
compute

audio.

indeed in pd-gui-rewrite, the audio ON is renamed to DSP An and  
DSP

Aus (seems like the former is a demand for a de_AT localization :-))
but that doesn't really help the argument.


I think overall, its easier
if people learn that DSP means computing audio as well as other  
things,

and the term DSP is used consistently throughout.


makes sense.
otoh, most newbies (those who probably won't start using [; pd dsp 1()
will want to turn on audio rather than learn what dsp means.
on the third hand, they will probaby wonder why they have to turn on
anything, so it won't matter whether it's audio or dsp.

finally: this is surely time for a tooltip lingering over the DSP
button, explaining, that this is the button to press if you want to  
hear

something.



I think a tooltip is a very good idea for the Pd window.

.hc



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Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable

2010-01-19 Thread András Murányi
 finally: this is surely time for a tooltip lingering over the DSP
 button, explaining, that this is the button to press if you want to hear
 something.



 I think a tooltip is a very good idea for the Pd window.

 .hc


I'm afraid there is no universal method in Tk for tooltips - is there?

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Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable

2010-01-19 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner


On Jan 19, 2010, at 12:13 PM, András Murányi wrote:



finally: this is surely time for a tooltip lingering over the DSP
button, explaining, that this is the button to press if you want to  
hear

something.


I think a tooltip is a very good idea for the Pd window.

.hc


I'm afraid there is no universal method in Tk for tooltips - is there?

Andras


There is no included method called tooltips, but you can easily make  
your own.  Here are some examples:


http://wiki.tcl.tk/3060

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Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable

2010-01-19 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner


On Jan 19, 2010, at 1:33 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:




--- On Tue, 1/19/10, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote:


From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at
Subject: Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com
Cc: PD list pd-list@iem.at
Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 5:26 AM



On Jan 18, 2010, at 7:09 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:


[Kind of picky...]

In the console, there's a checkbox with the clickable

text DSP.  I know

acronyms are normally capitalized, but in this case if

the text read

dsp, the tk label/checkbox would accurately reflect

the message one

sends to pd to turn audio on and off (with the

checkbox fulfilling the 0/1 argument).


I think someone complained recently that DSP would be

less clear to a

beginner than compute audio.  I think that's

true, so if the beginner

has to read a help file to figure out what it means,

they might as well

learn the message dsp 0 and dsp 1 at the same time

(and be reminded of

the _exact_ selector everytime they look at the

console).

compute audio is easier to understand, but it then
doesn't match the 'pd dsp' message or the Media menu
items.  I think overall, its easier if people learn
that DSP means computing audio as well as other things, and
the term DSP is used consistently throughout. I don't have a
strong feeling on upper vs lower case on DSP tho.


Well it's definitely a minor distinction-- I just think that the lower
case reflects what's going on under the hood more closely, which is a
good thing.

Something else I've been wondering about...is there any reason the
top of the console couldn't be a pd canvas or a gop?  As it is, it's  
just
two [tgl]s, two [vu]s, and maybe a [bng].  Other than the DIO button  
it's just a [dac~], [adc~], and [s pd], right?


It could be a GOP, I think all of the properties, about, etc. should  
be Pd patches.  But before doing that, I think we need better support  
for standard Tk widgets within Pd.


.hc




-Jonathan




In a similar vein: what about audiostatus instead of

DIO?


-Jonathan


I never use the DIO button and don't really know what it
is, so I left it as is ;-)  As far as I can gather its
an error light for if there are communications troubles with
the audio interface.

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Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable

2010-01-19 Thread András Murányi
2010/1/19 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at


 On Jan 19, 2010, at 12:13 PM, András Murányi wrote:


 finally: this is surely time for a tooltip lingering over the DSP
 button, explaining, that this is the button to press if you want to hear
 something.


 I think a tooltip is a very good idea for the Pd window.

 .hc


 I'm afraid there is no universal method in Tk for tooltips - is there?

 Andras


 There is no included method called tooltips, but you can easily make your
 own.  Here are some examples:

 http://wiki.tcl.tk/3060

 .hc
 Andras


Yes I did try some of those but they were not so perfect or reliable. If you
find a good one, however, you're there.
Andras
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Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable

2010-01-19 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
I downloaded 0.43.0-devel-20100119 (windows) and found a few things:

1) A patch like the one I attached used to have no scrollbars (all the way 
up to the dev version I downloaded on the 11th).  Now it has scrollbars.

2) In the attached patch right-clicking and getting Properties or  
Help doesn't work properly.  For instance, if I right-click on [bag] in 
the upper right-hand corner and choose Help, it gives me intro-help.pd.  
If I right-click the message box with the selector clear in it and choose 
help, it gives me text-help.pd.

3) For menu-Window: is the tree structure represented solely by 
indentation?

There was some problem I was running into with the previous build where 
selected text in a msg box sticks until you force a refresh by 
minimizing/maximizing, but it looks you fixed it.

-Jonathan


  #N canvas 0 0 555 619 10;
#X obj 0 595 cnv 15 550 21 empty \$0-pddp.cnv.footer empty 20 12 0
14 -228856 -66577 0;
#X obj 0 0 cnv 15 550 40 empty \$0-pddp.cnv.header bag 3 12 0 18 -204280
-1 0;
#X obj -1 287 cnv 3 550 3 empty \$0-pddp.cnv.inlets inlets 15 12 0
13 -228856 -1 0;
#N canvas 46 242 494 344 META 0;
#X text 12 65 TEMPLATE template-help.pd v0.1;
#X text 12 85 PLATFORM windows macosx gnulinux;
#X text 12 125 LIBRARY internal;
#X text 12 165 WEBSITE http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/;
#X text 12 205 RELEASE_VERSION 0.41.4;
#X text 12 185 RELEASE_DATE 2009-06-12;
#X text 12 45 LICENSE SIBSD;
#X text 12 145 AUTHOR Miller Puckette;
#X text 12 105 DATATYPE float list;
#X text 12 225 HELP_PATCH_AUTHORS Updated for Pd v0.41. Revised by
Jonathan Wilkes to conform to the PDDP template for Pd version 0.42.
;
#X text 12 5 GENRE control;
#X text 12 25 KEYWORDS storage lists;
#X restore 500 597 pd META;
#X obj -1 495 cnv 3 550 3 empty \$0-pddp.cnv.outlets outlets 15 12
0 13 -228856 -1 0;
#X obj -1 538 cnv 3 550 3 empty \$0-pddp.cnv.argument arguments 15
12 0 13 -228856 -1 0;
#X obj -1 566 cnv 3 550 3 empty \$0-pddp.cnv.more_info more_info 15
12 0 13 -228856 -1 0;
#X text 98 542 (none);
#N canvas 54 478 428 109 Related_objects 0;
#X obj 61 42 makenote;
#X obj 21 42 poly;
#X obj 122 42 list;
#X obj 1 1 cnv 15 425 20 empty \$0-pddp.cnv.header empty 3 12 0 14
-204280 -1 0;
#X text 7 1 [bag] Related Objects;
#X restore 102 598 pd Related_objects;
#X obj 78 296 cnv 17 3 125 empty \$0-pddp.cnv.let.0 0 5 9 0 16 -228856
-162280 0;
#X text 98 295 float;
#X text 98 352 list;
#X text 98 503 float;
#X obj 78 504 cnv 17 3 30 empty \$0-pddp.cnv.let.0 0 5 9 0 16 -228856
-162280 0;
#X obj 78 440 cnv 17 3 45 empty \$0-pddp.cnv.let.1 1 5 9 0 16 -228856
-162280 0;
#X text 98 439 float;
#X text 98 383 flush;
#X text 98 413 clear;
#X text 148 383 - output all values one by one \, in the order they
were received \, and clear the collection.;
#X text 148 503 - upon sending the flush message to the left inlet
\, [bag] will output each value in the order it was received.;
#X text 99 570 You can use [bag] to mimic a sustain pedal \, for example.
;
#X msg 162 88 60 64;
#X msg 213 88 60 0;
#X msg 257 88 62 64;
#X msg 304 88 62 0;
#X obj 162 215 print;
#X text 207 216 Output is in the printout window.;
#X msg 304 134 clear;
#X msg 303 111 flush;
#X obj 162 185 bag;
#X text 148 352 - a (value \, flag) pair is distributed to the two
inlets. Lists with more than two elements will be truncated.;
#X text 11 23 collection of numbers;
#X obj 493 3 bag;
#X obj 465 20 pddp/pddplink http://wiki.puredata.info/en/bag -text
pdpedia: bag;
#X text 148 413 - clear the collection.;
#X text 147 439 - a float to the right inlet sets the flag: if zero
\, values to the left inlet will not be added to the collection. If
nonzero \, values to the right inlet will be added to the collection.
;
#X text 148 295 - a float to the left inlet will be added to the collection
if the last value the right inlet received was nonzero. If the last
value the right inlet received was zero \, the float sent to the right
inlet will be removed from the collection.;
#X connect 21 0 29 0;
#X connect 22 0 29 0;
#X connect 23 0 29 0;
#X connect 24 0 29 0;
#X connect 27 0 29 0;
#X connect 28 0 29 0;
#X connect 29 0 25 0;
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Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable

2010-01-18 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo,

probably not related to scrollbar, but to coordinates in general: Do you think
it will now be possible to fix the longstanding issue of Pd showing the help
menu far away from the mouseclick, if the coordinates of the viewport and those
of the canvas disagree (for example if you've scrolled to the bottom of the
help-intro.pd patch and try to open the help for e.g. [pointer] or if you have
moved objects into the upper right area of (0,0)? That would be cool to have
fixed after all these years. :)

Ciao
-- 
Frank

Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:

 Ok, I fixed one source of scrollbar flickering.  Its a Tk bug where it  
 first sends a Configure event with a window size of 1x1, then sends  
 another with the actual size, hence the scrollbar flickering.

 http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data?view=revrevision=13018

 .hc

 On Jan 10, 2010, at 9:55 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:

 Hi Hans,
 There's some scrollbar flickering happening on winxp (see attached
 patch).

 -Jonathan

 --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote:

 From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at..or.at
 Subject: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
 To: PD list pd-list@iem.at
 Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 11:02 PM

 There has been lots of work on the 0.43 Pd GUI Rewrite, and
 it should be quite useable now.  Please try it for any
 daily patching and report any issues that you might have so
 that they can be fixed.  There is a bunch of fun new
 stuff possible with plugins, like you can bind to any key,
 for example make O give you an [osc~] and P give you a
 [pack] while Ctrl-O and Ctrl-P keep their original
 meanings.

 For a more complete ChangeLog and links to nightly builds,
 see:
 http://puredata.info/dev/PdGuiRewrite

 Also, here's the beginning of some docs on how to write GUI
 plugins.  Please add anything you know of, and ask
 questions so we can get more stuff documented:

 http://puredata.info/docs/PdGuiPluginsAPI

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Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable

2010-01-18 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner


Indeed!  That stupid bug has been around far too long.  No more!

http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data?view=revrevision=13040

Keep reporting, and I'll do my best to keep fixing.

.hc

On Jan 18, 2010, at 9:28 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote:


Hallo,

probably not related to scrollbar, but to coordinates in general: Do  
you think
it will now be possible to fix the longstanding issue of Pd showing  
the help
menu far away from the mouseclick, if the coordinates of the  
viewport and those
of the canvas disagree (for example if you've scrolled to the bottom  
of the
help-intro.pd patch and try to open the help for e.g. [pointer] or  
if you have
moved objects into the upper right area of (0,0)? That would be cool  
to have

fixed after all these years. :)

Ciao
--
Frank

Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:

Ok, I fixed one source of scrollbar flickering.  Its a Tk bug where  
it

first sends a Configure event with a window size of 1x1, then sends
another with the actual size, hence the scrollbar flickering.

http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data?view=revrevision=13018

.hc

On Jan 10, 2010, at 9:55 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:


Hi Hans,
   There's some scrollbar flickering happening on winxp (see  
attached

patch).

-Jonathan

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From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at..or.at
Subject: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
To: PD list pd-list@iem.at
Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 11:02 PM

There has been lots of work on the 0.43 Pd GUI Rewrite, and
it should be quite useable now.  Please try it for any
daily patching and report any issues that you might have so
that they can be fixed.  There is a bunch of fun new
stuff possible with plugins, like you can bind to any key,
for example make O give you an [osc~] and P give you a
[pack] while Ctrl-O and Ctrl-P keep their original
meanings.

For a more complete ChangeLog and links to nightly builds,
see:
http://puredata.info/dev/PdGuiRewrite

Also, here's the beginning of some docs on how to write GUI
plugins.  Please add anything you know of, and ask
questions so we can get more stuff documented:

http://puredata.info/docs/PdGuiPluginsAPI

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Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable

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On Jan 15, 2010, at 3:56 PM, András Murányi wrote:


2010/1/14 IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoel...@iem.at
András Murányi wrote:

 PS i'd be happy to give you ssh to my 64-bit box if that helps.
 Then, I'm very interested in the PPA. I have no idea how to put  
together a
 source package, i also don't know makefiles (yet). Do you think I  
could

 manage...?

hmm, i just tried to build pd-gui-rewrite on my 64bit box and it built
out-of-the box and runs out of the box.


yes it builds out of the box as always did. i experienced other  
problems with it:
- it seemed like it didn't like my 32-bit pd install any more - this  
is solved by HC: need to make before.
- it never accepted the libraries from my 64-bit pd-extended. My  
question at this moment is: is there a version/branch/whatsoever of  
the rewrite which serves as a complete pd-extended, or it still  
relying on my not-rewritten pd-extended install?



The nightly builds labeled Pd-devel are kind of like Pd-extended 0.43,  
i.e with the new GUI.  But not completely, only kind of.


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Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable

2010-01-18 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner


I think I fixed this, could you test to make sure?

.hc

On Jan 10, 2010, at 9:55 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:


Hi Hans,
There's some scrollbar flickering happening on winxp (see attached
patch).

-Jonathan

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From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at..or.at
Subject: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
To: PD list pd-list@iem.at
Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 11:02 PM

There has been lots of work on the 0.43 Pd GUI Rewrite, and
it should be quite useable now.  Please try it for any
daily patching and report any issues that you might have so
that they can be fixed.  There is a bunch of fun new
stuff possible with plugins, like you can bind to any key,
for example make O give you an [osc~] and P give you a
[pack] while Ctrl-O and Ctrl-P keep their original
meanings.

For a more complete ChangeLog and links to nightly builds,
see:
http://puredata.info/dev/PdGuiRewrite

Also, here's the beginning of some docs on how to write GUI
plugins.  Please add anything you know of, and ask
questions so we can get more stuff documented:

http://puredata.info/docs/PdGuiPluginsAPI

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Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable

2010-01-18 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
I'd be happy to test it, but my desktop with the whole mingw/cygwin 
setup is on the fritz, so I'll have to wait for the next windows nightly 
build to commence.

-Jonathan

--- On Mon, 1/18/10, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote:

 From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or..at
 Subject: Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
 To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com
 Cc: PD list pd-list@iem.at
 Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 11:55 PM
 
 I think I fixed this, could you test to make sure?
 
 .hc
 
 On Jan 10, 2010, at 9:55 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
 
  Hi Hans,
      There's some scrollbar
 flickering happening on winxp (see attached
  patch).
 
  -Jonathan
 
  --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at
 wrote:
 
  From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at..or.at
  Subject: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
  To: PD list pd-list@iem.at
  Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 11:02 PM
 
  There has been lots of work on the 0.43 Pd GUI
 Rewrite, and
  it should be quite useable now.  Please try
 it for any
  daily patching and report any issues that you
 might have so
  that they can be fixed.  There is a bunch of
 fun new
  stuff possible with plugins, like you can bind to
 any key,
  for example make O give you an [osc~] and P
 give you a
  [pack] while Ctrl-O and Ctrl-P keep their
 original
  meanings.
 
  For a more complete ChangeLog and links to nightly
 builds,
  see:
  http://puredata.info/dev/PdGuiRewrite
 
  Also, here's the beginning of some docs on how to
 write GUI
  plugins.  Please add anything you know of,
 and ask
  questions so we can get more stuff documented:
 
  http://puredata.info/docs/PdGuiPluginsAPI
 
  .hc
 
 
 
 
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Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable

2010-01-18 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
[Kind of picky...]

In the console, there's a checkbox with the clickable text DSP.  I know 
acronyms are normally capitalized, but in this case if the text read 
dsp, the tk label/checkbox would accurately reflect the message one 
sends to pd to turn audio on and off (with the checkbox fulfilling the 0/1 
argument).

I think someone complained recently that DSP would be less clear to a 
beginner than compute audio.  I think that's true, so if the beginner 
has to read a help file to figure out what it means, they might as well 
learn the message dsp 0 and dsp 1 at the same time (and be reminded of 
the _exact_ selector everytime they look at the console).

In a similar vein: what about audiostatus instead of DIO?

-Jonathan


  


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Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable

2010-01-18 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner




On Jan 18, 2010, at 7:09 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:


[Kind of picky...]

In the console, there's a checkbox with the clickable text DSP.  I  
know

acronyms are normally capitalized, but in this case if the text read
dsp, the tk label/checkbox would accurately reflect the message one
sends to pd to turn audio on and off (with the checkbox fulfilling  
the 0/1 argument).


I think someone complained recently that DSP would be less clear to a
beginner than compute audio.  I think that's true, so if the  
beginner
has to read a help file to figure out what it means, they might as  
well
learn the message dsp 0 and dsp 1 at the same time (and be  
reminded of

the _exact_ selector everytime they look at the console).


compute audio is easier to understand, but it then doesn't match the  
'pd dsp' message or the Media menu items.  I think overall, its easier  
if people learn that DSP means computing audio as well as other  
things, and the term DSP is used consistently throughout. I don't have  
a strong feeling on upper vs lower case on DSP tho.



In a similar vein: what about audiostatus instead of DIO?

-Jonathan


I never use the DIO button and don't really know what it is, so I left  
it as is ;-)  As far as I can gather its an error light for if there  
are communications troubles with the audio interface.


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Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable

2010-01-18 Thread Miller Puckette
It's stupid -- you press it to find out what timing errors have occurred
recently, in an unreadable format.  The whole thing needs to be
rethought :)

thanks
M

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 11:26:33PM -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
 
 
 
 On Jan 18, 2010, at 7:09 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
 
 [Kind of picky...]
 
 In the console, there's a checkbox with the clickable text DSP.  I  
 know
 acronyms are normally capitalized, but in this case if the text read
 dsp, the tk label/checkbox would accurately reflect the message one
 sends to pd to turn audio on and off (with the checkbox fulfilling  
 the 0/1 argument).
 
 I think someone complained recently that DSP would be less clear to a
 beginner than compute audio.  I think that's true, so if the  
 beginner
 has to read a help file to figure out what it means, they might as  
 well
 learn the message dsp 0 and dsp 1 at the same time (and be  
 reminded of
 the _exact_ selector everytime they look at the console).
 
 compute audio is easier to understand, but it then doesn't match the  
 'pd dsp' message or the Media menu items.  I think overall, its easier  
 if people learn that DSP means computing audio as well as other  
 things, and the term DSP is used consistently throughout. I don't have  
 a strong feeling on upper vs lower case on DSP tho.
 
 In a similar vein: what about audiostatus instead of DIO?
 
 -Jonathan
 
 I never use the DIO button and don't really know what it is, so I left  
 it as is ;-)  As far as I can gather its an error light for if there  
 are communications troubles with the audio interface.
 
 .hc
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable

2010-01-18 Thread Jonathan Wilkes


--- On Tue, 1/19/10, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote:

 From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at
 Subject: Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
 To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com
 Cc: PD list pd-list@iem.at
 Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 5:26 AM
 
 
 
 On Jan 18, 2010, at 7:09 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
 
  [Kind of picky...]
  
  In the console, there's a checkbox with the clickable
 text DSP.  I know
  acronyms are normally capitalized, but in this case if
 the text read
  dsp, the tk label/checkbox would accurately reflect
 the message one
  sends to pd to turn audio on and off (with the
 checkbox fulfilling the 0/1 argument).
  
  I think someone complained recently that DSP would be
 less clear to a
  beginner than compute audio.  I think that's
 true, so if the beginner
  has to read a help file to figure out what it means,
 they might as well
  learn the message dsp 0 and dsp 1 at the same time
 (and be reminded of
  the _exact_ selector everytime they look at the
 console).
 
 compute audio is easier to understand, but it then
 doesn't match the 'pd dsp' message or the Media menu
 items.  I think overall, its easier if people learn
 that DSP means computing audio as well as other things, and
 the term DSP is used consistently throughout. I don't have a
 strong feeling on upper vs lower case on DSP tho.

Well it's definitely a minor distinction-- I just think that the lower 
case reflects what's going on under the hood more closely, which is a 
good thing.

Something else I've been wondering about...is there any reason the 
top of the console couldn't be a pd canvas or a gop?  As it is, it's just 
two [tgl]s, two [vu]s, and maybe a [bng].  Other than the DIO button it's just 
a [dac~], [adc~], and [s pd], right?

-Jonathan

 
  In a similar vein: what about audiostatus instead of
 DIO?
  
  -Jonathan
 
 I never use the DIO button and don't really know what it
 is, so I left it as is ;-)  As far as I can gather its
 an error light for if there are communications troubles with
 the audio interface.
 
 .hc 


  


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Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable

2010-01-16 Thread IOhannes zmölnig
András Murányi wrote:
 2010/1/14 IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoel...@iem.at
 
 András Murányi wrote:
 PS i'd be happy to give you ssh to my 64-bit box if that helps.
 Then, I'm very interested in the PPA. I have no idea how to put together
 a
 source package, i also don't know makefiles (yet). Do you think I could
 manage...?
 hmm, i just tried to build pd-gui-rewrite on my 64bit box and it built
 out-of-the box and runs out of the box.


 yes it builds out of the box as always did. i experienced other problems
 with it:
 - it seemed like it didn't like my 32-bit pd install any more - this is
 solved by HC: need to make before.
 - it never accepted the libraries from my 64-bit pd-extended. My question at

this has been fixed recently: library loading used to not work and does now.

fgmasdr
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Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable

2010-01-16 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner


Ok, I fixed one source of scrollbar flickering.  Its a Tk bug where it  
first sends a Configure event with a window size of 1x1, then sends  
another with the actual size, hence the scrollbar flickering.


http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data?view=revrevision=13018

.hc

On Jan 10, 2010, at 9:55 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:


Hi Hans,
There's some scrollbar flickering happening on winxp (see attached
patch).

-Jonathan

--- On Sun, 1/10/10, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote:


From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at..or.at
Subject: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
To: PD list pd-list@iem.at
Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 11:02 PM

There has been lots of work on the 0.43 Pd GUI Rewrite, and
it should be quite useable now.  Please try it for any
daily patching and report any issues that you might have so
that they can be fixed.  There is a bunch of fun new
stuff possible with plugins, like you can bind to any key,
for example make O give you an [osc~] and P give you a
[pack] while Ctrl-O and Ctrl-P keep their original
meanings.

For a more complete ChangeLog and links to nightly builds,
see:
http://puredata.info/dev/PdGuiRewrite

Also, here's the beginning of some docs on how to write GUI
plugins.  Please add anything you know of, and ask
questions so we can get more stuff documented:

http://puredata.info/docs/PdGuiPluginsAPI

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Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable

2010-01-15 Thread András Murányi
2010/1/14 IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoel...@iem.at

 András Murányi wrote:
 
  PS i'd be happy to give you ssh to my 64-bit box if that helps.
  Then, I'm very interested in the PPA. I have no idea how to put together
 a
  source package, i also don't know makefiles (yet). Do you think I could
  manage...?

 hmm, i just tried to build pd-gui-rewrite on my 64bit box and it built
 out-of-the box and runs out of the box.


yes it builds out of the box as always did. i experienced other problems
with it:
- it seemed like it didn't like my 32-bit pd install any more - this is
solved by HC: need to make before.
- it never accepted the libraries from my 64-bit pd-extended. My question at
this moment is: is there a version/branch/whatsoever of the rewrite which
serves as a complete pd-extended, or it still relying on my not-rewritten
pd-extended install?

Andras
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Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable

2010-01-14 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
 
 There has been lots of work on the 0.43 Pd GUI Rewrite, and it should be
 quite useable now.  Please try it for any daily patching and report any
 issues that you might have so that they can be fixed.  There is a bunch
 of fun new stuff possible with plugins, like you can bind to any key,
 for example make O give you an [osc~] and P give you a [pack] while
 Ctrl-O and Ctrl-P keep their original meanings.


sounds cool.
but how does this help me with my ordinary patching problems?

e.g.
Ctrl-1 to create a print object
Ctrl-2 to create a numberbox
try to connect the numberbox with the print object...the circle
indicating a found outlet appears, but i cannot draw a chord; instead
the number changes.
if i try to do this with a msgbox, the msgbox is clicked.

i tried to unwind all recent changes (until beginning of the year), but
still no luck.
i removed all the startup plugins, but still no luck.

tried with 8.4 and 8.5 on debian squeeze/sid.


ah ja: and i create an object (e.g. [f]) i cannot click besides the
object anymore to instantiate it; the only way to do that is to either
leave edit-mode (Ctrl-E) or create another thing (e.g. Ctrl-1)

i cannot select anything anymore.

what happened?

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2010-01-14 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
András Murányi wrote:
 
 PS i'd be happy to give you ssh to my 64-bit box if that helps.
 Then, I'm very interested in the PPA. I have no idea how to put together a
 source package, i also don't know makefiles (yet). Do you think I could
 manage...?

hmm, i just tried to build pd-gui-rewrite on my 64bit box and it built
out-of-the box and runs out of the box.

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2010-01-14 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
 
 what happened?


doesn't happen with my 64bit build; so it seems to be a problem with my
setup...

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Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable

2010-01-14 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
 András Murányi wrote:
 PS i'd be happy to give you ssh to my 64-bit box if that helps.
 Then, I'm very interested in the PPA. I have no idea how to put together a
 source package, i also don't know makefiles (yet). Do you think I could
 manage...?
 
 hmm, i just tried to build pd-gui-rewrite on my 64bit box and it built
 out-of-the box and runs out of the box.
 

and while some commit yesterday broke library loading yet another time,
it's now fixed again.

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Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable

2010-01-14 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner


On Jan 14, 2010, at 9:26 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:


IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:

András Murányi wrote:

PS i'd be happy to give you ssh to my 64-bit box if that helps.
Then, I'm very interested in the PPA. I have no idea how to put  
together a
source package, i also don't know makefiles (yet). Do you think I  
could

manage...?


hmm, i just tried to build pd-gui-rewrite on my 64bit box and it  
built

out-of-the box and runs out of the box.



and while some commit yesterday broke library loading yet another  
time,

it's now fixed again.

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Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable

2010-01-13 Thread cyrille henry

hello,

yes, it is now compiling.
but i've got this message in pd log : 


WARNING: Font family 'Courier' not found, using default (courier)

and :


/home/nusmuk/pd/Gem/src/Gem.pd_linux: /home/nusmuk/pd/Gem/src/Gem.pd_linux: 
undefined symbol: s_symbol
/home/nusmuk/pd/Gem/src/Gem: can't load library

is there somthnig specific to 0.43 so that i have to recompile gem?

cheers
C


Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :


Ok, a friend just built a fresh Karmic system, and it had the same 
problem.  WTF, why can't autotools/gcc find libm on Ubuntu Karmic?  
Anyway, I think I found a workaround, I committed it, so please try 
again :-)


.hc

On Jan 10, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:



On your one machine while working on the other...  if anyone else can 
reproduce this build error, I'll gladly take a look again.  :-) But I 
cannot reproduce it.


.hc

On Jan 10, 2010, at 5:13 PM, cyrille henry wrote:


not compiling...
c


Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :
There has been lots of work on the 0.43 Pd GUI Rewrite, and it 
should be quite useable now.  Please try it for any daily patching 
and report any issues that you might have so that they can be 
fixed.  There is a bunch of fun new stuff possible with plugins, 
like you can bind to any key, for example make O give you an 
[osc~] and P give you a [pack] while Ctrl-O and Ctrl-P keep their 
original meanings.

For a more complete ChangeLog and links to nightly builds, see:
http://puredata.info/dev/PdGuiRewrite
Also, here's the beginning of some docs on how to write GUI 
plugins.  Please add anything you know of, and ask questions so we 
can get more stuff documented:

http://puredata.info/docs/PdGuiPluginsAPI
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Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable

2010-01-13 Thread Roman Haefeli
Am 13.01.10 10:26 schrieb cyrille henry unter c...@chnry.net:

 hello,
 
 yes, it is now compiling.
 but i've got this message in pd log :
 
 WARNING: Font family 'Courier' not found, using default (courier)

got the same also on Ubuntu 9.10 (I was still using tcl/tk8.4, probably this
would go away with 8.5?)
 
 and :
 
 
 /home/nusmuk/pd/Gem/src/Gem.pd_linux: /home/nusmuk/pd/Gem/src/Gem.pd_linux:
 undefined symbol: s_symbol
 /home/nusmuk/pd/Gem/src/Gem: can't load library

got the same with maxlib/netclient:
/usr/local/lib/pd/extra/maxlib/netclient.pd_linux:
undefined symbol: s_float
can't load library

I haven't tried recompiling maxlib against pd-gui-rewrite yet. Would this be
supposed to solve the problem?

Sorry for repeating myself, but the new window-hierarchy menu is _really_
great, since it eases navigation in patches so much! Thanks for your work,
Hans!

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Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable

2010-01-13 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
cyrille henry wrote:
 hello,
 
 yes, it is now compiling.
 but i've got this message in pd log :
 WARNING: Font family 'Courier' not found, using default (courier)

the default font for Pd is Courier (with captial C), which does not
exist on your system (and mine).
you can change that by adding -font-face courier to the startup-flags.

i'm not sure about the implications of changing the default font to
courier (s_main.c:68)
since it only has an effect on linux and w32 (actually on non-OSX), and
i guess that w32 doesn't care about cases, i guess it would be a good
idea to change it to courier.

 
 and :
 
 
 /home/nusmuk/pd/Gem/src/Gem.pd_linux:
 /home/nusmuk/pd/Gem/src/Gem.pd_linux: undefined symbol: s_symbol
 /home/nusmuk/pd/Gem/src/Gem: can't load library
 
 is there somthnig specific to 0.43 so that i have to recompile gem?


no. this is a bug in the pd-gui-rewrite build system.
i think i have fixed it (rev12974).
you have to rerun the entire build-chain (./autogen.sh  ./configure 
make)

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Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable

2010-01-13 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
cyrille henry wrote:
 hello,
 
 yes, you did fix the Gem loading error.
 (i had to make clean before autogen etc)

ah yes (you should have been able to make clean after autblah as well)

 so i gess i can now test 0.43
 
 1st, i've got a stupid question : here is a snapshot of both 0.43 an 0.42.
 do i have a problem somewhere, or is 0.43 really suppose to look better
 than 0.42?

this is how 0.43 currently looks.
i take your look better for slight sarcasm here, though i don't think
it looks that bad (apart from the non-bold font)
there is definitely a bug in the linespacing (\n are inserted at will)

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Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable

2010-01-13 Thread cyrille henry



IOhannes m zmoelnig a écrit :


this is how 0.43 currently looks.

ok

i take your look better for slight sarcasm here, though i don't think
it looks that bad (apart from the non-bold font)

are the sometimes color changing line a feature

why did clear printout disappear?

do you think DSP is more clear than compute audio?


there is definitely a bug in the linespacing (\n are inserted at will)

yep, also.

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Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable

2010-01-13 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
cyrille henry wrote:
 
 
 IOhannes m zmoelnig a écrit :
 
 this is how 0.43 currently looks.
 ok
 i take your look better for slight sarcasm here, though i don't think
 it looks that bad (apart from the non-bold font)
 are the sometimes color changing line a feature

i think they are meant to be (to improve readability)

 
 why did clear printout disappear?

CtrlShiftL

 
 do you think DSP is more clear than compute audio?

well, personally i don't care about the exact phrasing here.
however, in theory it's localized, it's just that whoever did the french
translation chose to use DSP rather than calcule de son.

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Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable

2010-01-13 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner


On Jan 13, 2010, at 4:45 AM, Roman Haefeli wrote:


Am 13.01.10 10:26 schrieb cyrille henry unter c...@chnry.net:


hello,

yes, it is now compiling.
but i've got this message in pd log :

WARNING: Font family 'Courier' not found, using default (courier)


got the same also on Ubuntu 9.10 (I was still using tcl/tk8.4,  
probably this

would go away with 8.5?)


Try it and report back please :).  Definitely use Tcl/Tk 8.5, it is a  
big improvement.



and :


/home/nusmuk/pd/Gem/src/Gem.pd_linux: /home/nusmuk/pd/Gem/src/ 
Gem.pd_linux:

undefined symbol: s_symbol
/home/nusmuk/pd/Gem/src/Gem: can't load library


got the same with maxlib/netclient:
/usr/local/lib/pd/extra/maxlib/netclient.pd_linux:
undefined symbol: s_float
can't load library

I haven't tried recompiling maxlib against pd-gui-rewrite yet. Would  
this be

supposed to solve the problem?


I haven't tested this, I don't know what an 0.42 binary wouldn't work  
with 0.43.  I know Miller has added some code to 0.43, but I don't  
remember the details.


Sorry for repeating myself, but the new window-hierarchy menu is  
_really_
great, since it eases navigation in patches so much! Thanks for your  
work,

Hans!



Glad you like it!  Hopefully, it also means that 'pd' is doing less  
work building that menu than the previous menu while 'pd-gui' is  
handling the rest.


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Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable

2010-01-13 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner


On Jan 13, 2010, at 11:39 AM, cyrille henry wrote:


IOhannes m zmoelnig a écrit :


this is how 0.43 currently looks.

ok


The look of the font is largely based on what fonts you have installed  
and what fonts Tcl/Tk finds and assigns to courier.  That is a flaky  
process, and something that has changed in Tcl/Tk 8.5.  I highly  
recommend installing the font Inconsolata, its in Debian, Ubuntu,  
Fedora, etc.  It makes Pd look really nice, and pd-gui-rewrite will  
use it automatically if it can find it.



but i've got this message in pd log :
WARNING: Font family 'Courier' not found, using default (courier)


This means that Tk could not find a font called Courier on your  
system and is using the Tk automagic font called 'courier'.  Tk has  
three of these automagic fonts called Courier, Times, and Helvetica.   
How they are handled has changed in 8.5.  They used to show up in  
[font families], now they don't IIRC.  These three automagic fonts are  
guaranteed to exist, but they are automagically mapped to some font on  
the system, and those fonts they are mapped to are not guaranteed to  
be the same font as the name used for the automagic font.  This is a  
source of lots of font troubles in GNU/Linux, that's why there is some  
font detection logic included in 0.43.  So it'll detect and use good  
fonts like Inconsolata.


If you think you can make the font handling work better on GNU/Linux,  
I encourage you to do it.  Federico and I have done what we can.


FYI: I switched back this branch to default to bold fonts (shudder...)  
in preparation for the merge into vanilla.


i take your look better for slight sarcasm here, though i don't  
think

it looks that bad (apart from the non-bold font)

are the sometimes color changing line a feature


I think its a feature, but it should be more subtle.  It needs to be  
tweaked, its not done yet.



why did clear printout disappear?


Edit-Clear Console and Ctrl-Shift-L


do you think DSP is more clear than compute audio?


What if you are not working with audio but doing other kinds of  
digital signal processing?  The message is called 'pd dsp 1'.  Having  
the same thing named three different ways makes no sense (Pd window  
checkbox compute audio, Media menu audio on/off, pd message pd  
dsp 1).  So now its called DSP all three places.


If you don't like the new Pd window, take the file pdwindow.tcl,  
rename it to pdwindow-plugin.tcl and put it in your Pd path.  Then  
make your own custom Pd window.  Here's the steps:


- rename the namespace from 'pdwindow' to something else
- delete these public procs: ::pdwindow::create_window, pdtk_post,  
pdtk_pd_dsp, pdtk_pd_meters, pdtk_pd_dio, using rename pdtk_post {}

- implement those above procs with those names

I'd like to see if this is possible.  Let me know if you have  
troubles, and I'll see what I can fix in the 0.43 code to make it  
easier to do this kind of thing.


.hc

there is definitely a bug in the linespacing (\n are inserted at  
will)

yep, also.

c


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Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable

2010-01-13 Thread cyrille henry



Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :


On Jan 13, 2010, at 11:39 AM, cyrille henry wrote:


IOhannes m zmoelnig a écrit :


this is how 0.43 currently looks.

ok


The look of the font is largely based on what fonts you have installed 
and what fonts Tcl/Tk finds and assigns to courier.  That is a flaky 
process, and something that has changed in Tcl/Tk 8.5.  I highly 
recommend installing the font Inconsolata, its in Debian, Ubuntu, 
Fedora, etc.  It makes Pd look really nice, and pd-gui-rewrite will use 
it automatically if it can find it.

i install ttf-inconsolata, and still have the same error and same look.
(?)




but i've got this message in pd log :
WARNING: Font family 'Courier' not found, using default (courier)


This means that Tk could not find a font called Courier on your system 
and is using the Tk automagic font called 'courier'.  Tk has three of 
these automagic fonts called Courier, Times, and Helvetica.  How they 
are handled has changed in 8.5.  They used to show up in [font 
families], now they don't IIRC.  These three automagic fonts are 
guaranteed to exist, but they are automagically mapped to some font on 
the system, and those fonts they are mapped to are not guaranteed to be 
the same font as the name used for the automagic font.  This is a source 
of lots of font troubles in GNU/Linux, that's why there is some font 
detection logic included in 0.43.  So it'll detect and use good fonts 
like Inconsolata.


If you think you can make the font handling work better on GNU/Linux, I 
encourage you to do it.  Federico and I have done what we can.


FYI: I switched back this branch to default to bold fonts (shudder...) 
in preparation for the merge into vanilla.

cool




i take your look better for slight sarcasm here, though i don't think
it looks that bad (apart from the non-bold font)

are the sometimes color changing line a feature


I think its a feature, but it should be more subtle.  It needs to be 
tweaked, its not done yet.

ok




why did clear printout disappear?


Edit-Clear Console and Ctrl-Shift-L


do you think DSP is more clear than compute audio?


What if you are not working with audio but doing other kinds of digital 
signal processing?  The message is called 'pd dsp 1'.  Having the same 
thing named three different ways makes no sense (Pd window checkbox 
compute audio, Media menu audio on/off, pd message pd dsp 1).  So 
now its called DSP all three places.


If you don't like the new Pd window, take the file pdwindow.tcl, 
rename it to pdwindow-plugin.tcl and put it in your Pd path.  Then 
make your own custom Pd window.  Here's the steps:


- rename the namespace from 'pdwindow' to something else
- delete these public procs: ::pdwindow::create_window, pdtk_post, 
pdtk_pd_dsp, pdtk_pd_meters, pdtk_pd_dio, using rename pdtk_post {}

- implement those above procs with those names


well, i also don't really read this text, so i do not fell the need to change 
it on my computer. but i think some peoples who use pd to make sound does not 
know what is a dsp.

c




I'd like to see if this is possible.  Let me know if you have troubles, 
and I'll see what I can fix in the 0.43 code to make it easier to do 
this kind of thing.


.hc


there is definitely a bug in the linespacing (\n are inserted at will)

yep, also.

c


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Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable

2010-01-13 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner

On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:32 +0100, cyrille henry c...@chnry.net wrote:
 
 
 Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :
  
  On Jan 13, 2010, at 11:39 AM, cyrille henry wrote:
  
  IOhannes m zmoelnig a écrit :
 
  this is how 0.43 currently looks.
  ok
  
  The look of the font is largely based on what fonts you have installed 
  and what fonts Tcl/Tk finds and assigns to courier.  That is a flaky 
  process, and something that has changed in Tcl/Tk 8.5.  I highly 
  recommend installing the font Inconsolata, its in Debian, Ubuntu, 
  Fedora, etc.  It makes Pd look really nice, and pd-gui-rewrite will use 
  it automatically if it can find it.
 i install ttf-inconsolata, and still have the same error and same look.
 (?)

Are you sure it doesn't look like this, this is what I get and then
Inconsolata works:
WARNING: Font family 'Courier' not found, using default (Inconsolata)

Otherwise, try this:
http://puredata.info/docs/faq/on-gnu-linux-the-fonts-are-strange-and-or-too-big-or-small

.hc

  but i've got this message in pd log :
  WARNING: Font family 'Courier' not found, using default (courier)
  
  This means that Tk could not find a font called Courier on your system 
  and is using the Tk automagic font called 'courier'.  Tk has three of 
  these automagic fonts called Courier, Times, and Helvetica.  How they 
  are handled has changed in 8.5.  They used to show up in [font 
  families], now they don't IIRC.  These three automagic fonts are 
  guaranteed to exist, but they are automagically mapped to some font on 
  the system, and those fonts they are mapped to are not guaranteed to be 
  the same font as the name used for the automagic font.  This is a source 
  of lots of font troubles in GNU/Linux, that's why there is some font 
  detection logic included in 0.43.  So it'll detect and use good fonts 
  like Inconsolata.
  
  If you think you can make the font handling work better on GNU/Linux, I 
  encourage you to do it.  Federico and I have done what we can.
  
  FYI: I switched back this branch to default to bold fonts (shudder...) 
  in preparation for the merge into vanilla.
 cool
 
  
  i take your look better for slight sarcasm here, though i don't think
  it looks that bad (apart from the non-bold font)
  are the sometimes color changing line a feature
  
  I think its a feature, but it should be more subtle.  It needs to be 
  tweaked, its not done yet.
 ok
 
  
  why did clear printout disappear?
  
  Edit-Clear Console and Ctrl-Shift-L
  
  do you think DSP is more clear than compute audio?
  
  What if you are not working with audio but doing other kinds of digital 
  signal processing?  The message is called 'pd dsp 1'.  Having the same 
  thing named three different ways makes no sense (Pd window checkbox 
  compute audio, Media menu audio on/off, pd message pd dsp 1).  So 
  now its called DSP all three places.
  
  If you don't like the new Pd window, take the file pdwindow.tcl, 
  rename it to pdwindow-plugin.tcl and put it in your Pd path.  Then 
  make your own custom Pd window.  Here's the steps:
  
  - rename the namespace from 'pdwindow' to something else
  - delete these public procs: ::pdwindow::create_window, pdtk_post, 
  pdtk_pd_dsp, pdtk_pd_meters, pdtk_pd_dio, using rename pdtk_post {}
  - implement those above procs with those names
 
 well, i also don't really read this text, so i do not fell the need to
 change it on my computer. but i think some peoples who use pd to make
 sound does not know what is a dsp.
 
 c
 
 
  
  I'd like to see if this is possible.  Let me know if you have troubles, 
  and I'll see what I can fix in the 0.43 code to make it easier to do 
  this kind of thing.
  
  .hc
  
  there is definitely a bug in the linespacing (\n are inserted at will)
  yep, also.
 
  c
 
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Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable

2010-01-13 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner

I haven't had that happen, but I am on a 2 year old machine, which is
pretty fast. It sounds like it shouldn't happen tho.  Does it happen
with other patches, or just help-intro.pd?

.hc


On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:21 -0800, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com
wrote:
 When I open help-intro.pd and try to close it, it either hangs or takes 
 forever to close (winxp).  Anyone else experience this?  My computer
 isn't 
 real fast, so if you have a mean machine try select all - copy and paste
 and see if you can reproduce this.  I've never had this problem until
 now..
 
 -Jonathan
 
 
   
 
 
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Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable

2010-01-13 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner

On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:53 +0100, András Murányi muran...@gmail.com
wrote:
 On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 11:02 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner
 h...@at.or.atwrote:
 
 
  There has been lots of work on the 0.43 Pd GUI Rewrite, and it should be
  quite useable now.  Please try it for any daily patching and report any
  issues that you might have so that they can be fixed.  There is a bunch of
  fun new stuff possible with plugins, like you can bind to any key, for
  example make O give you an [osc~] and P give you a [pack] while Ctrl-O
  and Ctrl-P keep their original meanings.
 
  For a more complete ChangeLog and links to nightly builds, see:
  http://puredata.info/dev/PdGuiRewrite
 
 
 Then it may be time to examine why on my AMD64 system neither my
 own-built
 pd, neither others' 64-bit pd binaries are willing to cooperate with the
 rewrite. I have tried all 64-bit builds i could get my hands on but the
 rewrite refused to load the libs from any of them.
 
 Anyone who successfully used pd with pd-gui-rewrite on 64-bit?
 
 Andras

The code is pretty simple, so it should work, but I don't have a 64-bit
system to work on.  I'd really like to get everything building on
64-bit, so please do post problems/errors.

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Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable

2010-01-13 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
It happens with help-intro.pd, and it also happens sometimes when I 
open about 18 of the help patches at a time from the reference folder.  
Sometimes if I try to close one of the patches, part of that patch 
goes blank but it doesn't finish closing, and I have to kill pd.

I tried to make a really lengthy patch to see if that was the problem, 
and it wasn't.  But I found a different problem: if I open the 
attached patch, select all, and just hold down shift-down-arrow for 
awhile (30 secs), I get the following error:

(Tcl) UNHANDLED ERROR: wrong # args: should be . option ?arg arg ...?
while executing
.
(uplevel body line 471)
invoked from within
uplevel #0 $cmd_from_pd
(Tcl) INVALID COMMAND NAME: invalid command name xa5c6e8.c
while executing
xa5c6e8.c coords .xa5c6e8.ta3b0f8R 151 3582 183 3582 183 3601 151 3601 151 
3582
(uplevel body line 1)
invoked from within
uplevel #0 $cmd_from_pd

Then some of the text inside object boxes get screwy looking until I 
minimize the patch, then it looks fine.

-Jonathan

--- On Thu, 1/14/10, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote:

 From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at
 Subject: Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
 To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com, PD list pd-list@iem.at, 
 András Murányi muran...@gmail.com
 Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010, 12:50 AM
 
 I haven't had that happen, but I am on a 2 year old
 machine, which is
 pretty fast. It sounds like it shouldn't happen tho. 
 Does it happen
 with other patches, or just help-intro.pd?
 
 .hc
 
 
 On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:21 -0800, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
  When I open help-intro.pd and try to close it, it
 either hangs or takes 
  forever to close (winxp).  Anyone else experience
 this?  My computer
  isn't 
  real fast, so if you have a mean machine try select
 all - copy and paste
  and see if you can reproduce this.  I've never
 had this problem until
  now..
  
  -Jonathan
  
  
        
  
  
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Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable

2010-01-13 Thread András Murányi
   There has been lots of work on the 0.43 Pd GUI Rewrite, and it should
 be
   quite useable now.  Please try it for any daily patching and report any
   issues that you might have so that they can be fixed.  There is a bunch
 of
   fun new stuff possible with plugins, like you can bind to any key, for
   example make O give you an [osc~] and P give you a [pack] while
 Ctrl-O
   and Ctrl-P keep their original meanings.
  
   For a more complete ChangeLog and links to nightly builds, see:
   http://puredata.info/dev/PdGuiRewrite
  
 
  Then it may be time to examine why on my AMD64 system neither my
  own-built
  pd, neither others' 64-bit pd binaries are willing to cooperate with the
  rewrite. I have tried all 64-bit builds i could get my hands on but the
  rewrite refused to load the libs from any of them.
 
  Anyone who successfully used pd with pd-gui-rewrite on 64-bit?
 
  Andras

 The code is pretty simple, so it should work, but I don't have a 64-bit
 system to work on.  I'd really like to get everything building on
 64-bit, so please do post problems/errors.


Well, now I'm back to an i386 pd-extended. The newest gui-rewrite says
ERROR: 'pd' never showed up, 'pd-gui' quitting!. Is this normal? (Earlier
versions started up alrite, just didn't load the libs.)

Andras

PS i'd be happy to give you ssh to my 64-bit box if that helps.
Then, I'm very interested in the PPA. I have no idea how to put together a
source package, i also don't know makefiles (yet). Do you think I could
manage...?
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Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable

2010-01-13 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 04:31 +0100, András Murányi muran...@gmail.com
wrote:
There has been lots of work on the 0.43 Pd GUI Rewrite, and it should
  be
quite useable now.  Please try it for any daily patching and report any
issues that you might have so that they can be fixed.  There is a bunch
  of
fun new stuff possible with plugins, like you can bind to any key, for
example make O give you an [osc~] and P give you a [pack] while
  Ctrl-O
and Ctrl-P keep their original meanings.
   
For a more complete ChangeLog and links to nightly builds, see:
http://puredata.info/dev/PdGuiRewrite
   
  
   Then it may be time to examine why on my AMD64 system neither my
   own-built
   pd, neither others' 64-bit pd binaries are willing to cooperate with the
   rewrite. I have tried all 64-bit builds i could get my hands on but the
   rewrite refused to load the libs from any of them.
  
   Anyone who successfully used pd with pd-gui-rewrite on 64-bit?
  
   Andras
 
  The code is pretty simple, so it should work, but I don't have a 64-bit
  system to work on.  I'd really like to get everything building on
  64-bit, so please do post problems/errors.
 
 
 Well, now I'm back to an i386 pd-extended. The newest gui-rewrite says
 ERROR: 'pd' never showed up, 'pd-gui' quitting!. Is this normal?
 (Earlier
 versions started up alrite, just didn't load the libs.)

If you haven't run make install then you have to run it like this:

cd 0.43
./autogen.sh  ./configure  make
cd src
./pd

 
 Andras
 
 PS i'd be happy to give you ssh to my 64-bit box if that helps.

Yes, I could do that.  I'll send you my ssh key in a PGP signed email.


 Then, I'm very interested in the PPA. I have no idea how to put together
 a
 source package, i also don't know makefiles (yet). Do you think I could
 manage...?

That's a good idea.  I was just working on getting pd-gui-rewrite branch
to build with 'debbuild'.  Once I get that, I'll try submitting it to
launchpad.

.hc

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Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable

2010-01-12 Thread João Pais
just downloaded the latest build for xp. as soon as I click on the pd  
window, this appears:



can't set ::editmode(.pdwindow): invalid command name .pdwindow.c
invalid command name .pdwindow.c
while executing
$mycanvas configure -background white
(procedure set_cords_by_editmode line 16)
invoked from within
set_cords_by_editmode ::editmode .pdwindow write
(write trace on ::editmode(.pdwindow))
invoked from within
set ::editmode($mytoplevel) $state
(procedure pdtk_canvas_editmode line 3)
invoked from within
pdtk_canvas_editmode .pdwindow 0
(procedure ::pd_menus::configure_for_pdwindow line 13)
invoked from within
::pd_menus::configure_for_pdwindow 
(procedure ::pd_bindings::window_focusin line 9)
invoked from within
::pd_bindings::window_focusin .pdwindow
(command bound to event)


and that's it, not possible even to go to the pd window. pd has to be  
force shut.


João




There has been lots of work on the 0.43 Pd GUI Rewrite, and it should be  
quite useable now.  Please try it for any daily patching and report any  
issues that you might have so that they can be fixed.  There is a bunch  
of fun new stuff possible with plugins, like you can bind to any key,  
for example make O give you an [osc~] and P give you a [pack] while  
Ctrl-O and Ctrl-P keep their original meanings.


For a more complete ChangeLog and links to nightly builds, see:
http://puredata.info/dev/PdGuiRewrite

Also, here's the beginning of some docs on how to write GUI plugins.   
Please add anything you know of, and ask questions so we can get more  
stuff documented:


http://puredata.info/docs/PdGuiPluginsAPI

.hc



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Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable

2010-01-12 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
João Pais wrote:
 just downloaded the latest build for xp. as soon as I click on the pd
 window, this appears:
 
 
 can't set ::editmode(.pdwindow): invalid command name .pdwindow.c
 invalid command name .pdwindow.c
 while executing
 $mycanvas configure -background white
 (procedure set_cords_by_editmode line 16)
 invoked from within
 set_cords_by_editmode ::editmode .pdwindow write
 (write trace on ::editmode(.pdwindow))
 invoked from within
 set ::editmode($mytoplevel) $state
 (procedure pdtk_canvas_editmode line 3)
 invoked from within
 pdtk_canvas_editmode .pdwindow 0
 (procedure ::pd_menus::configure_for_pdwindow line 13)
 invoked from within
 ::pd_menus::configure_for_pdwindow 
 (procedure ::pd_bindings::window_focusin line 9)
 invoked from within
 ::pd_bindings::window_focusin .pdwindow
 (command bound to event)


try deleting all the startup-plugins in the startup/; i think one of
them is buggy.

fgmasdr
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Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable

2010-01-12 Thread João Pais

try deleting all the startup-plugins in the startup/; i think one of
them is buggy.


sorry, where is that? I'm not following the discussion, in case that was  
explained somewhere.


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Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable

2010-01-12 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner


On Jan 12, 2010, at 1:52 PM, João Pais wrote:

try deleting all the startup-plugins in the startup/; i think one  
of

them is buggy.


sorry, where is that? I'm not following the discussion, in case that  
was explained somewhere.



path/to/pd/startup, or you might have installed a plugin in previous  
attempts.  The plugin files are called *-plugin.tcl and they can be  
loaded from anywhere in your Pd path (i.e. set in the preferences, - 
path on the command line, etc.)


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Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable

2010-01-12 Thread João Pais

try deleting all the startup-plugins in the startup/; i think one of
them is buggy.


sorry, where is that? I'm not following the discussion, in case that  
was explained somewhere.



path/to/pd/startup, or you might have installed a plugin in previous  
attempts.  The plugin files are called *-plugin.tcl and they can be  
loaded from anywhere in your Pd path (i.e. set in the preferences, -path  
on the command line, etc.)


something funny here. I don't see that file/folder(?). also, there aren't  
any *-plugin.tcl files in my pd-ext. I also never installed any tcl  
plugins.


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Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable

2010-01-12 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner


On Jan 12, 2010, at 2:20 PM, João Pais wrote:

try deleting all the startup-plugins in the startup/; i think  
one of

them is buggy.


sorry, where is that? I'm not following the discussion, in case  
that was explained somewhere.



path/to/pd/startup, or you might have installed a plugin in  
previous attempts.  The plugin files are called *-plugin.tcl and  
they can be loaded from anywhere in your Pd path (i.e. set in the  
preferences, -path on the command line, etc.)


something funny here. I don't see that file/folder(?). also, there  
aren't any *-plugin.tcl files in my pd-ext. I also never installed  
any tcl plugins.



I am guessing you have an old version of editmode_look-plugin.tcl or  
hide_cords-plugin.tcl in your pd/startup folder, or maybe /Program  
Files/Common Files/Pd.


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Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable

2010-01-12 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner


Ok, a friend just built a fresh Karmic system, and it had the same  
problem.  WTF, why can't autotools/gcc find libm on Ubuntu Karmic?   
Anyway, I think I found a workaround, I committed it, so please try  
again :-)


.hc

On Jan 10, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:



On your one machine while working on the other...  if anyone else  
can reproduce this build error, I'll gladly take a look again.  :-)  
But I cannot reproduce it.


.hc

On Jan 10, 2010, at 5:13 PM, cyrille henry wrote:


not compiling...
c


Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :
There has been lots of work on the 0.43 Pd GUI Rewrite, and it  
should be quite useable now.  Please try it for any daily patching  
and report any issues that you might have so that they can be  
fixed.  There is a bunch of fun new stuff possible with plugins,  
like you can bind to any key, for example make O give you an  
[osc~] and P give you a [pack] while Ctrl-O and Ctrl-P keep  
their original meanings.

For a more complete ChangeLog and links to nightly builds, see:
http://puredata.info/dev/PdGuiRewrite
Also, here's the beginning of some docs on how to write GUI  
plugins.  Please add anything you know of, and ask questions so we  
can get more stuff documented:

http://puredata.info/docs/PdGuiPluginsAPI
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Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable

2010-01-11 Thread András Murányi
On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 11:02 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.atwrote:


 There has been lots of work on the 0.43 Pd GUI Rewrite, and it should be
 quite useable now.  Please try it for any daily patching and report any
 issues that you might have so that they can be fixed.  There is a bunch of
 fun new stuff possible with plugins, like you can bind to any key, for
 example make O give you an [osc~] and P give you a [pack] while Ctrl-O
 and Ctrl-P keep their original meanings.

 For a more complete ChangeLog and links to nightly builds, see:
 http://puredata.info/dev/PdGuiRewrite


Then it may be time to examine why on my AMD64 system neither my own-built
pd, neither others' 64-bit pd binaries are willing to cooperate with the
rewrite. I have tried all 64-bit builds i could get my hands on but the
rewrite refused to load the libs from any of them.

Anyone who successfully used pd with pd-gui-rewrite on 64-bit?

Andras
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Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable

2010-01-11 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
When I open help-intro.pd and try to close it, it either hangs or takes 
forever to close (winxp).  Anyone else experience this?  My computer isn't 
real fast, so if you have a mean machine try select all - copy and paste and 
see if you can reproduce this.  I've never had this problem until now..

-Jonathan


  


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[PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable

2010-01-10 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner


There has been lots of work on the 0.43 Pd GUI Rewrite, and it should  
be quite useable now.  Please try it for any daily patching and report  
any issues that you might have so that they can be fixed.  There is a  
bunch of fun new stuff possible with plugins, like you can bind to any  
key, for example make O give you an [osc~] and P give you a [pack]  
while Ctrl-O and Ctrl-P keep their original meanings.


For a more complete ChangeLog and links to nightly builds, see:
http://puredata.info/dev/PdGuiRewrite

Also, here's the beginning of some docs on how to write GUI plugins.   
Please add anything you know of, and ask questions so we can get more  
stuff documented:


http://puredata.info/docs/PdGuiPluginsAPI

.hc



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Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable

2010-01-10 Thread cyrille henry

not compiling...
c


Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :


There has been lots of work on the 0.43 Pd GUI Rewrite, and it should be 
quite useable now.  Please try it for any daily patching and report any 
issues that you might have so that they can be fixed.  There is a bunch 
of fun new stuff possible with plugins, like you can bind to any key, 
for example make O give you an [osc~] and P give you a [pack] while 
Ctrl-O and Ctrl-P keep their original meanings.


For a more complete ChangeLog and links to nightly builds, see:
http://puredata.info/dev/PdGuiRewrite

Also, here's the beginning of some docs on how to write GUI plugins.  
Please add anything you know of, and ask questions so we can get more 
stuff documented:


http://puredata.info/docs/PdGuiPluginsAPI

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Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable

2010-01-10 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner


On your one machine while working on the other...  if anyone else can  
reproduce this build error, I'll gladly take a look again.  :-) But I  
cannot reproduce it.


.hc

On Jan 10, 2010, at 5:13 PM, cyrille henry wrote:


not compiling...
c


Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :
There has been lots of work on the 0.43 Pd GUI Rewrite, and it  
should be quite useable now.  Please try it for any daily patching  
and report any issues that you might have so that they can be  
fixed.  There is a bunch of fun new stuff possible with plugins,  
like you can bind to any key, for example make O give you an  
[osc~] and P give you a [pack] while Ctrl-O and Ctrl-P keep their  
original meanings.

For a more complete ChangeLog and links to nightly builds, see:
http://puredata.info/dev/PdGuiRewrite
Also, here's the beginning of some docs on how to write GUI  
plugins.  Please add anything you know of, and ask questions so we  
can get more stuff documented:

http://puredata.info/docs/PdGuiPluginsAPI
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Re: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable

2010-01-10 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
Hi Hans,
 There's some scrollbar flickering happening on winxp (see attached 
patch).

-Jonathan

--- On Sun, 1/10/10, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote:

 From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at..or.at
 Subject: [PD] Pd-GUI-Rewrite 0.43 status: usable
 To: PD list pd-list@iem.at
 Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 11:02 PM
 
 There has been lots of work on the 0.43 Pd GUI Rewrite, and
 it should be quite useable now.  Please try it for any
 daily patching and report any issues that you might have so
 that they can be fixed.  There is a bunch of fun new
 stuff possible with plugins, like you can bind to any key,
 for example make O give you an [osc~] and P give you a
 [pack] while Ctrl-O and Ctrl-P keep their original
 meanings.
 
 For a more complete ChangeLog and links to nightly builds,
 see:
 http://puredata.info/dev/PdGuiRewrite
 
 Also, here's the beginning of some docs on how to write GUI
 plugins.  Please add anything you know of, and ask
 questions so we can get more stuff documented:
 
 http://puredata.info/docs/PdGuiPluginsAPI
 
 .hc
 
 
 
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 incidentally for machines to execute.
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  #N canvas 227 181 450 300 12;
#N canvas 428 306 277 188 example1 0;
#X text 32 13 scroll bars flicker when;
#X text 32 27 patch is opened;
#X text 24 65 (only happens when subpatch;
#X text 30 84 isn't empty);
#X restore 182 58 pd example1;
#N canvas 469 242 167 218 example2 0;
#X obj 20 43 cnv 15 150 60 empty empty empty 20 12 0 14 -233017 -66577
0;
#X text 11 6 bottom scroll bar;
#X text 11 21 flickers when you;
#X text 6 42 create an object \,;
#X text 8 58 message \, comment;
#X text 10 81 or move mouse across;
#X text 10 98 window border;
#X restore 182 98 pd example2;
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