Re: [PD] customizing the new Pd GUI, some examples
yup, iemguts covers this, see the objects [propertybang] + [canvasargs]. Jonathan Wilkes wrote: Hm, so would the new GUI magick also make it possible for the dialogue menus to actually be Pd patches? I guess its not a lot of gain for the work in terms of existing iem-gui objects, but it would be really useful to be able to build a Properties menu for abstractions that can change the arguments of the abstraction. Or can you already do this with iem-guts? -Jonathan --- On Tue, 9/1/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Subject: Re: [PD] customizing the new Pd GUI, some examples To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: András Murányi muran...@gmail.com, pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 4:10 PM Trippy. Even the xlets disappear! There are now a set of Tk tags that can be separately controlled, you could also make things turn different colors, or disappear (i.e. turn white). cords, inlet, outlet, text, label, obj, msg, atom Are segmented patch cords also a possibility now? Someone should try to write a segmented patch cord plugin, that would be a great test of the plugin idea for the new GUI. I'd be happy to help someone thru the code, and make any reasonable changes. I suspect it'll be hard to work around the fact that the .pd file format doesn't include a place to store the segmented patch cord data points, but I think it could easily be handled in a separate, parallel file. It could be like the .pd is the HTML and this other file is the CSS. .hc On Sep 1, 2009, at 12:45 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: Trippy. Even the xlets disappear! Are segmented patch cords also a possibility now? -Jonathan --- On Tue, 9/1/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Subject: Re: [PD] customizing the new Pd GUI, some examples To: András Murányi muran...@gmail.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 5:06 AM I just made a commit to make this possible. Check how hide_cords.tcl and editmode_look.tcl in pd-gui-rewrite. They are both in pd/startup/disabled, so you'll need to move them to pd/startup to make them load. They are both triggered by edit mode. Picture 1.pngPicture 2.pngPicture 3.png .hc On Aug 28, 2009, at 3:48 PM, András Murányi wrote: I wish to hide connections... oh my! I would be happy with a single global option to hide'em in performance mode (ctrl-e). Does it make sense? -- Muranyi Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Using ReBirth is like trying to play an 808 with a long stick. -David Zicarelli -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list http://at.or.at/hans/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] customizing the new Pd GUI, some examples
On Tue, 1 Sep 2009, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: First try throwing extra ints in the #X connect messages in a .pd file, and see if that works. Then try getting those ints in Pd. this is the signature for the connect messages: g_editor.c:gensym(connect), A_FLOAT, A_FLOAT, A_FLOAT, A_FLOAT, A_NULL); this means that $1,$2,$3,$4 have to be floats, and furthermore, $5 must not exist. _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard, Montréal, Québec. téléphone: +1.514.383.3801___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] customizing the new Pd GUI, some examples
Trippy. Even the xlets disappear! There are now a set of Tk tags that can be separately controlled, you could also make things turn different colors, or disappear (i.e. turn white). cords, inlet, outlet, text, label, obj, msg, atom Are segmented patch cords also a possibility now? Someone should try to write a segmented patch cord plugin, that would be a great test of the plugin idea for the new GUI. I'd be happy to help someone thru the code, and make any reasonable changes. I suspect it'll be hard to work around the fact that the .pd file format doesn't include a place to store the segmented patch cord data points, but I think it could easily be handled in a separate, parallel file. It could be like the .pd is the HTML and this other file is the CSS. .hc On Sep 1, 2009, at 12:45 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: Trippy. Even the xlets disappear! Are segmented patch cords also a possibility now? -Jonathan --- On Tue, 9/1/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Subject: Re: [PD] customizing the new Pd GUI, some examples To: András Murányi muran...@gmail.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 5:06 AM I just made a commit to make this possible. Check how hide_cords.tcl and editmode_look.tcl in pd-gui-rewrite. They are both in pd/startup/disabled, so you'll need to move them to pd/ startup to make them load. They are both triggered by edit mode. Picture 1.pngPicture 2.pngPicture 3.png .hc On Aug 28, 2009, at 3:48 PM, András Murányi wrote: I wish to hide connections... oh my! I would be happy with a single global option to hide'em in performance mode (ctrl-e). Does it make sense? -- Muranyi Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Using ReBirth is like trying to play an 808 with a long stick.- David Zicarelli -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list http://at.or.at/hans/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] customizing the new Pd GUI, some examples
On Sep 1, 2009, at 1:44 AM, Ichabod wrote: 2009/8/31 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at ... [screenshots] Is the font being changed, or is it just one Pd already uses on a different system than mine? On Mac OS X, the default font is now Monaco, since its included with the OS, and is the standard default font for fixed width things like code editors. On GNU/Linux and Windows, its still Courier, though it should be a bit easier to use different fonts now. .hc All mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man dies, one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better language; and every chapter must be so translated -John Donne ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] customizing the new Pd GUI, some examples
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Someone should try to write a segmented patch cord plugin, that would be a great test of the plugin idea for the new GUI. I'd be happy to help someone thru the code, and make any reasonable changes. I suspect it'll be hard to work around the fact that the .pd file format doesn't include a place to store the segmented patch cord data points, but I think it could easily be handled in a separate, parallel file. It could be like the .pd is the HTML and this other file is the CSS. i have wondered on few occasions if segmented data could be stored after the 'connect' message, is there something hardcoded that only accept a connect selector with a list with 4 floats? would adding more floats break the file format? ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] customizing the new Pd GUI, some examples
On Sep 1, 2009, at 10:48 AM, dmotd wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Someone should try to write a segmented patch cord plugin, that would be a great test of the plugin idea for the new GUI. I'd be happy to help someone thru the code, and make any reasonable changes. I suspect it'll be hard to work around the fact that the .pd file format doesn't include a place to store the segmented patch cord data points, but I think it could easily be handled in a separate, parallel file. It could be like the .pd is the HTML and this other file is the CSS. i have wondered on few occasions if segmented data could be stored after the 'connect' message, is there something hardcoded that only accept a connect selector with a list with 4 floats? would adding more floats break the file format? You could try it for yourself pretty easily. Here's an easy way to find here the #X connect message is implemented: h...@palatschinken:src grep 'connect' *.c g_editor.c:gensym(#X), gensym(connect), g_editor.c:connect); g_editor.c:gensym(#X), gensym(connect), g_editor.c:binbuf_addv(b, ss;, gensym(#X), gensym(connect), g_editor.c:gensym(connect), A_FLOAT, A_FLOAT, A_FLOAT, A_FLOAT, A_NULL); g_readwrite.c:binbuf_addv(b, ss;, gensym(#X), gensym(connect), m_binbuf.c:else if (!strcmp(second, connect)|| m_binbuf.c:gensym(#X), gensym(connect), m_binbuf.c:else if (!strcmp(second, connect)) m_binbuf.c:gensym(#P), gensym(connect), u_pdsend.c:sockerror(connect); u_pdsend.c:sockerror(connect); x_net.c:gensym(connect), A_SYMBOL, A_FLOAT, 0); Basically, these two lines are saying that the connect message is expected to be in 'ss' format. s = symbol, i = integer. So basically, two symbols (#X connect) and four integers (0 1 0 0) g_editor.c:binbuf_addv(b, ss;, gensym(#X), gensym(connect), g_readwrite.c:binbuf_addv(b, ss;, gensym(#X), gensym(connect), First try throwing extra ints in the #X connect messages in a .pd file, and see if that works. Then try getting those ints in Pd. .hc I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. - General Smedley Butler ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] customizing the new Pd GUI, some examples
Hm, so would the new GUI magick also make it possible for the dialogue menus to actually be Pd patches? I guess its not a lot of gain for the work in terms of existing iem-gui objects, but it would be really useful to be able to build a Properties menu for abstractions that can change the arguments of the abstraction. Or can you already do this with iem-guts? -Jonathan --- On Tue, 9/1/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Subject: Re: [PD] customizing the new Pd GUI, some examples To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: András Murányi muran...@gmail.com, pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 4:10 PM Trippy. Even the xlets disappear! There are now a set of Tk tags that can be separately controlled, you could also make things turn different colors, or disappear (i.e. turn white). cords, inlet, outlet, text, label, obj, msg, atom Are segmented patch cords also a possibility now? Someone should try to write a segmented patch cord plugin, that would be a great test of the plugin idea for the new GUI. I'd be happy to help someone thru the code, and make any reasonable changes. I suspect it'll be hard to work around the fact that the .pd file format doesn't include a place to store the segmented patch cord data points, but I think it could easily be handled in a separate, parallel file. It could be like the .pd is the HTML and this other file is the CSS. .hc On Sep 1, 2009, at 12:45 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: Trippy. Even the xlets disappear! Are segmented patch cords also a possibility now? -Jonathan --- On Tue, 9/1/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Subject: Re: [PD] customizing the new Pd GUI, some examples To: András Murányi muran...@gmail.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 5:06 AM I just made a commit to make this possible. Check how hide_cords.tcl and editmode_look.tcl in pd-gui-rewrite. They are both in pd/startup/disabled, so you'll need to move them to pd/startup to make them load. They are both triggered by edit mode. Picture 1.pngPicture 2.pngPicture 3.png .hc On Aug 28, 2009, at 3:48 PM, András Murányi wrote: I wish to hide connections... oh my! I would be happy with a single global option to hide'em in performance mode (ctrl-e). Does it make sense? -- Muranyi Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Using ReBirth is like trying to play an 808 with a long stick. -David Zicarelli -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list http://at.or.at/hans/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] customizing the new Pd GUI, some examples
Dialog menus aren't pd patches yet, lots of work needs to be done for that to happen. But you can to abstraction properties thing with iemguts, I hear. .hc On Sep 1, 2009, at 5:53 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: Hm, so would the new GUI magick also make it possible for the dialogue menus to actually be Pd patches? I guess its not a lot of gain for the work in terms of existing iem-gui objects, but it would be really useful to be able to build a Properties menu for abstractions that can change the arguments of the abstraction. Or can you already do this with iem-guts? -Jonathan --- On Tue, 9/1/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Subject: Re: [PD] customizing the new Pd GUI, some examples To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: András Murányi muran...@gmail.com, pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 4:10 PM Trippy. Even the xlets disappear! There are now a set of Tk tags that can be separately controlled, you could also make things turn different colors, or disappear (i.e. turn white). cords, inlet, outlet, text, label, obj, msg, atom Are segmented patch cords also a possibility now? Someone should try to write a segmented patch cord plugin, that would be a great test of the plugin idea for the new GUI. I'd be happy to help someone thru the code, and make any reasonable changes. I suspect it'll be hard to work around the fact that the .pd file format doesn't include a place to store the segmented patch cord data points, but I think it could easily be handled in a separate, parallel file. It could be like the .pd is the HTML and this other file is the CSS. .hc On Sep 1, 2009, at 12:45 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: Trippy. Even the xlets disappear! Are segmented patch cords also a possibility now? -Jonathan --- On Tue, 9/1/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Subject: Re: [PD] customizing the new Pd GUI, some examples To: András Murányi muran...@gmail.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 5:06 AM I just made a commit to make this possible. Check how hide_cords.tcl and editmode_look.tcl in pd-gui-rewrite. They are both in pd/startup/disabled, so you'll need to move them to pd/startup to make them load. They are both triggered by edit mode. Picture 1.pngPicture 2.pngPicture 3.png .hc On Aug 28, 2009, at 3:48 PM, András Murányi wrote: I wish to hide connections... oh my! I would be happy with a single global option to hide'em in performance mode (ctrl-e). Does it make sense? -- Muranyi Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Using ReBirth is like trying to play an 808 with a long stick.-David Zicarelli -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list http://at.or.at/hans/ News is what people want to keep hidden and everything else is publicity. - Bill Moyers ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] customizing the new Pd GUI, some examples
Sounds marvelous! Unfortunately i'm having all kinds of problems here... it's Hardy amd64 but my main pd install (libraries etc) are 32bit. So they dont load plus there are some things not working: the Preferences dialog, and seemingly startup plugins. Andras On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 6:45 AM, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: Trippy. Even the xlets disappear! Are segmented patch cords also a possibility now? -Jonathan --- On *Tue, 9/1/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at* wrote: From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Subject: Re: [PD] customizing the new Pd GUI, some examples To: András Murányi muran...@gmail.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 5:06 AM I just made a commit to make this possible. Check how hide_cords.tcl and editmode_look.tcl in pd-gui-rewrite. They are both in pd/startup/disabled, so you'll need to move them to pd/startup to make them load. They are both triggered by edit mode. .hc On Aug 28, 2009, at 3:48 PM, András Murányi wrote: I wish to hide connections... oh my! I would be happy with a single global option to hide'em in performance mode (ctrl-e). Does it make sense? -- Muranyi Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at http://mc/compose?to=pd-l...@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Picture 2.pngPicture 3.pngPicture 1.png___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] customizing the new Pd GUI, some examples
I wish to hide connections... oh my! I would be happy with a single global option to hide'em in performance mode (ctrl-e). Does it make sense? -- Muranyi Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] customizing the new Pd GUI, some examples
I just made a commit to make this possible. Check how "hide_cords.tcl" and "editmode_look.tcl" in pd-gui-rewrite. They are both in pd/startup/disabled, so you'll need to move them to pd/startup to make them load. They are both triggered by edit mode..hcOn Aug 28, 2009, at 3:48 PM, András Murányi wrote:I wish to hide connections... oh my!I would be happy with a single global option to hide'em in performance mode (ctrl-e).Does it make sense?-- Muranyi Andras ___Pd-list@iem.at mailing listUNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Using ReBirth is like trying to play an 808 with a long stick. -David Zicarelli ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] customizing the new Pd GUI, some examples
Trippy. Even the xlets disappear!Are segmented patch cords also a possibility now?-Jonathan--- On Tue, 9/1/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote:From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.atSubject: Re: [PD] customizing the new Pd GUI, some examplesTo: "András Murányi" muran...@gmail.comCc: pd-list@iem.atDate: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 5:06 AMI just made a commit to make this possible. Check how "hide_cords.tcl" and "editmode_look.tcl" in pd-gui-rewrite. They are both in pd/startup/disabled, so you'll need to move them to pd/startup to make them load. They are both triggered by edit mode..hcOn Aug 28, 2009, at 3:48 PM, András Murányi wrote:I wish to hide connections... oh my!I would be happy with a single global option to hide'em in performance mode (ctrl-e).Does it make sense?-- Muranyi Andras ___Pd-list@iem.at mailing listUNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Using ReBirth is like trying to play an 808 with a long stick. -David Zicarelli -Inline Attachment Follows-___Pd-list@iem.at mailing listUNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] customizing the new Pd GUI, some examples
2009/8/31 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at ... [screenshots] Is the font being changed, or is it just one Pd already uses on a different system than mine? --Stefán ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] customizing the new Pd GUI, some examples
Hey Jeff, What would this do that a screenshot wouldn't give you? I guess you are thinking automation? You can already 'Print' a patch to a .ps postscript document, it comes out kind of weird though. It would probably be possible as a plugin, but I haven't honestly looked. Triggering the 'print' function programmatically wouldn't be hard. Basically, now is the time to try ideas for plugins, because we can still easily change the GUI code to make it easier to do things that people want to do. .hc On Aug 27, 2009, at 8:42 PM, Jeff Sandys wrote: Feature request for new GUI It would be nice to graphically render a patch and save it as a png or other graphic object without starting PD audio or GUI. This would be useful for documentation and web graphics. Could this be done as a customization that Hans mentioned or would it need to be in the main body GUI code? $ pd_render patch.pd patch.png Thanks, Jeff Sandys Top Healthcare Degrees Boost your health care career today with an online degree. Free info! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/c?cp=b4u1WseE71QP-kFSb99uEAAAJz1WzGy7UZn3AOaBKMmb5n6RAAQFAE5iED4AAGQiAA== ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list As we enjoy great advantages from inventions of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours; and this we should do freely and generously. - Benjamin Franklin ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] customizing the new Pd GUI, some examples
One of the most important features in the new GUI, IMHO, is the ease of making little Tcl scriptlets to extend the GUI. mescalinum had the idea for making a object browser on the popup menu: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/89643/pdcreateobjmenu.mpg So I just took that as an example and recoded the popup menu stuff so it should be a lot easier to customize. I made addtopopup.tcl, insertintopopup.tcl, cloneintopopup.tcl as examples of what's possible with a few lines of code. You can see the code here, and example images below: http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data/branches/pd-devel/0.41.4/startup inline: cloneintopopup.gifinline: insertintopopup.gif .hc http://at.or.at/hans/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
