Re: [PD] pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-11 Thread Martin .
+1 for including the line about military use in pd's license. That will make
us all happy. And the military then has to use maxmsp.

Though, I assume it means military institutions and not my own militant
guerilla art.

But, we could also conclude that war/military is commercial, at least in the
sense that war is waged for profit, and thus GPL should do



On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 5:46 PM, ydego...@gmail.com ydego...@gmail.comwrote:


 good!!! i'm free to do what i like now!!!

 yeh!

 sevy

 Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:


 Ok, will do. I also have to remove pidip from Pd-extended based on this
 license.

 .hc

 On Nov 23, 2010, at 7:18 AM, ydego...@free.fr wrote:

  jooo, que espeso ...

 i told you 1 times not to package my stuff,
 that i'm happy with the packages of goto10...

 so [EOC]


 ciao,
 sevy


 Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:


 Hey Lluis and Yves,

 I see that puredyne has packaged pidip, so it should be pretty easy to
 get it into Debian. The only problem is the license. If it was a straight
 BSD or GPL license, then it would be fine. The problem is this line:

 NOT FOR MILITARY OR REPRESSIVE USE !!!

 That isn't free according to the Debian Free Software Guidelines.

 .hc

 


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Re: [PD] pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-11 Thread ALAN BROOKER
I agree but how could such a term ever be enforced if the military were to
use it? Through litigation? IMO such a term is unenforceable
... arguably making it redundant-although I am happy to hear other's point
of view?

On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 10:25 PM, Martin . blindmanona...@gmail.com wrote:

 +1 for including the line about military use in pd's license. That will
 make us all happy. And the military then has to use maxmsp.

 Though, I assume it means military institutions and not my own militant
 guerilla art.

 But, we could also conclude that war/military is commercial, at least in
 the sense that war is waged for profit, and thus GPL should do



 On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 5:46 PM, ydego...@gmail.com ydego...@gmail.comwrote:


 good!!! i'm free to do what i like now!!!

 yeh!

 sevy

 Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:


 Ok, will do. I also have to remove pidip from Pd-extended based on this
 license.

 .hc

 On Nov 23, 2010, at 7:18 AM, ydego...@free.fr wrote:

  jooo, que espeso ...

 i told you 1 times not to package my stuff,
 that i'm happy with the packages of goto10...

 so [EOC]


 ciao,
 sevy


 Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:


 Hey Lluis and Yves,

 I see that puredyne has packaged pidip, so it should be pretty easy to
 get it into Debian. The only problem is the license. If it was a straight
 BSD or GPL license, then it would be fine. The problem is this line:

 NOT FOR MILITARY OR REPRESSIVE USE !!!

 That isn't free according to the Debian Free Software Guidelines.

 .hc

 


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 glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours; and this 
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Re: [PD] pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-11 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
The GPL doesn't restrict people from doing commercial business with the 
software (although v3 does try to restrict certain types of monkey business).

-Jonathan

--- On Sat, 12/11/10, Martin . blindmanona...@gmail.com wrote:

From: Martin . blindmanona...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PD] pd-pidip into Debian
To: PD List pd-list@iem.at
Date: Saturday, December 11, 2010, 11:25 PM

+1 for including the line about military use in pd's license. That will make us 
all happy. And the military then has to use maxmsp.
Though, I assume it means military institutions and not my own militant 
guerilla art.

But, we could also conclude that war/military is commercial, at least in the 
sense that war is waged for profit, and thus GPL should do
  

On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 5:46 PM, ydego...@gmail.com ydego...@gmail.com wrote:



good!!! i'm free to do what i like now!!!



yeh!



sevy



Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:




Ok, will do. I also have to remove pidip from Pd-extended based on this license.



.hc



On Nov 23, 2010, at 7:18 AM, ydego...@free.fr wrote:




jooo, que espeso ...



i told you 1 times not to package my stuff,

that i'm happy with the packages of goto10...



so [EOC]





ciao,

sevy





Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:




Hey Lluis and Yves,



I see that puredyne has packaged pidip, so it should be pretty easy to get it 
into Debian. The only problem is the license. If it was a straight BSD or GPL 
license, then it would be fine. The problem is this line:



NOT FOR MILITARY OR REPRESSIVE USE !!!



That isn't free according to the Debian Free Software Guidelines.



.hc



 



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Re: [PD] pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-10 Thread Bernardo Barros
2010/12/4 Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca:
 It's because GPL is for hippies, or something.

It's the other way around. BSD is hippier:
Someone in Berkley smoked marijuana and said:
hey man, let's just give it away, who cares what people will do with it,
let them turn this into proprietary or whatever.

I don't get this BSD fondness of the PD people

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Re: [PD] pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-10 Thread ydego...@gmail.com

Bernardo Barros wrote:

2010/12/4 Mathieu Bouchardma...@artengine.ca:
   

It's because GPL is for hippies, or something.
 

It's the other way around. BSD is hippier:
Someone in Berkley smoked marijuana and said:
hey man, let's just give it away, who cares what people will do with it,
let them turn this into proprietary or whatever.

I don't get this BSD fondness of the PD people

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you confuse marijuana with LSD if i can intervene,
it was LSD license at that time,
for a joke that makes sense

then you are all buried deeply in the same system
that it's useless to talk, really

ciao,
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Re: [PD] pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-04 Thread Pagano, Patrick

_or a sexually aroused gas mask.

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  From now on I refuse to allow my code to be used in anything that sucks.

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Re: [PD] pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-04 Thread Mathieu Bouchard

On Fri, 3 Dec 2010, Derek Holzer wrote:


From now on I refuse to allow my code to be used in anything that sucks.


The licensee thereby agrees to not make fan videos of Kate Ryan or Avril 
Lavigne or Johnny Halliday, no matter how noncommercial you may be doing 
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Re: [PD] pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-04 Thread Bernardo Barros
I don't get all this discussion... why not just stick with plain GPL?

That's why Google Code restricted the possible licenses to choose...

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Re: [PD] pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-04 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner


Well, I hope they are all joking.  I believe SourceForge also only  
allows code with free licenses, so code with such restrictions would  
not be allowed on SourceForge.  But I could be wrong there.


.hc

On Dec 4, 2010, at 10:56 AM, Bernardo Barros wrote:


I don't get all this discussion... why not just stick with plain GPL?

That's why Google Code restricted the possible licenses to choose...

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Re: [PD] pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-04 Thread Derek Holzer
I read somewhere they used the Pd test-tone patch to torture inmates at 
Guantanamo Bay.


Doesn't that suck?

We certainly wouldn't want a license which allows that kind of thing to 
happen, would we?


D.

On 12/4/10 9:25 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:


Well, I hope they are all joking. I believe SourceForge also only allows
code with free licenses, so code with such restrictions would not be
allowed on SourceForge. But I could be wrong there.

.hc

On Dec 4, 2010, at 10:56 AM, Bernardo Barros wrote:


I don't get all this discussion... why not just stick with plain GPL?

That's why Google Code restricted the possible licenses to choose...



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Re: [PD] pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-04 Thread Mathieu Bouchard

On Sat, 4 Dec 2010, Bernardo Barros wrote:


I don't get all this discussion... why not just stick with plain GPL?


It's because GPL is for hippies, or something.


That's why Google Code restricted the possible licenses to choose...


What's why ? I don't follow. Do you really know why Google did it ? And 
then, is it relevant ?


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Re: [PD] pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-03 Thread Derek Holzer

From now on I refuse to allow my code to be used in anything that sucks.

D.

On 12/3/10 5:51 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:

On Fri, 3 Dec 2010, ydego...@gmail.com wrote:


pidip and unauthorized are now published with a non-standard license
that says : * any project that promotes : racism, nationalism,
xenophobia, sexism, homophobia, religious hatred or missionarism .. (
expandable list)


«Nationalism» is a broad word : if one makes an artwork related to
cultural self-determination, isn't it not what you had in mind at all,
and yet, don't people use the same word to mean it ? Can you make the
text more precise to reflect that fact ?



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Re: [PD] pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-03 Thread João Pais

 From now on I refuse to allow my code to be used in anything that sucks.


so you'll never try to control a vacuum cleaner with Pd...

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Re: [PD] pd-pidip into Debian

2010-12-03 Thread Ludwig Maes
The processor running Pd must not be inside the vacuum cleaner, so we
can still use his precious code :) as long as the processor blows its
OK i guess...

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Re: [PD] pd-pidip into Debian

2010-11-23 Thread ydego...@gmail.com


good!!! i'm free to do what i like now!!!

yeh!

sevy

Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:


Ok, will do. I also have to remove pidip from Pd-extended based on 
this license.


.hc

On Nov 23, 2010, at 7:18 AM, ydego...@free.fr wrote:


jooo, que espeso ...

i told you 1 times not to package my stuff,
that i'm happy with the packages of goto10...

so [EOC]


ciao,
sevy


Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:


Hey Lluis and Yves,

I see that puredyne has packaged pidip, so it should be pretty easy 
to get it into Debian. The only problem is the license. If it was a 
straight BSD or GPL license, then it would be fine. The problem is 
this line:


NOT FOR MILITARY OR REPRESSIVE USE !!!

That isn't free according to the Debian Free Software Guidelines.

.hc

 



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glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours; and 
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Re: [PD] pd-pidip into Debian

2010-11-23 Thread John Harrison
Yves:

It's your code so you get to choose. From my standpoint as an educator,
removal of PiDiP from pd-extended is very unfortunate. I hope at some point
you reconsider your position.

-John

On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 10:46 AM, ydego...@gmail.com ydego...@gmail.comwrote:


 good!!! i'm free to do what i like now!!!

 yeh!

 sevy

 Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:


 Ok, will do. I also have to remove pidip from Pd-extended based on this
 license.

 .hc

 On Nov 23, 2010, at 7:18 AM, ydego...@free.fr wrote:

  jooo, que espeso ...

 i told you 1 times not to package my stuff,
 that i'm happy with the packages of goto10...

 so [EOC]


 ciao,
 sevy


 Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:


 Hey Lluis and Yves,

 I see that puredyne has packaged pidip, so it should be pretty easy to
 get it into Debian. The only problem is the license. If it was a straight
 BSD or GPL license, then it would be fine. The problem is this line:

 NOT FOR MILITARY OR REPRESSIVE USE !!!

 That isn't free according to the Debian Free Software Guidelines.

 .hc

 


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Re: [PD] pd-pidip into Debian

2010-11-23 Thread Patrick Pagano

removing pdp/pidip is a bad idea

On 11/23/2010 11:58 AM, John Harrison wrote:

Yves:

It's your code so you get to choose. From my standpoint as an 
educator, removal of PiDiP from pd-extended is very unfortunate. I 
hope at some point you reconsider your position.


-John

On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 10:46 AM, ydego...@gmail.com 
mailto:ydego...@gmail.com ydego...@gmail.com 
mailto:ydego...@gmail.com wrote:



good!!! i'm free to do what i like now!!!

yeh!

sevy

Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:


Ok, will do. I also have to remove pidip from Pd-extended
based on this license.

.hc

On Nov 23, 2010, at 7:18 AM, ydego...@free.fr
mailto:ydego...@free.fr wrote:

jooo, que espeso ...

i told you 1 times not to package my stuff,
that i'm happy with the packages of goto10...

so [EOC]


ciao,
sevy


Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:


Hey Lluis and Yves,

I see that puredyne has packaged pidip, so it should
be pretty easy to get it into Debian. The only problem
is the license. If it was a straight BSD or GPL
license, then it would be fine. The problem is this line:

NOT FOR MILITARY OR REPRESSIVE USE !!!

That isn't free according to the Debian Free Software
Guidelines.

.hc





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Re: [PD] pd-pidip into Debian

2010-11-23 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner


PDP has a regular GPL license, so its staying in.

.hc

On Nov 23, 2010, at 3:27 PM, Patrick Pagano wrote:


removing pdp/pidip is a bad idea

On 11/23/2010 11:58 AM, John Harrison wrote:


Yves:

It's your code so you get to choose. From my standpoint as an  
educator, removal of PiDiP from pd-extended is very unfortunate. I  
hope at some point you reconsider your position.


-John

On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 10:46 AM, ydego...@gmail.com ydego...@gmail.com 
 wrote:


good!!! i'm free to do what i like now!!!

yeh!

sevy

Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:

Ok, will do. I also have to remove pidip from Pd-extended based on  
this license.


.hc

On Nov 23, 2010, at 7:18 AM, ydego...@free.fr wrote:

jooo, que espeso ...

i told you 1 times not to package my stuff,
that i'm happy with the packages of goto10...

so [EOC]


ciao,
sevy


Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:

Hey Lluis and Yves,

I see that puredyne has packaged pidip, so it should be pretty easy  
to get it into Debian. The only problem is the license. If it was a  
straight BSD or GPL license, then it would be fine. The problem is  
this line:


NOT FOR MILITARY OR REPRESSIVE USE !!!

That isn't free according to the Debian Free Software Guidelines.

.hc



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Re: [PD] pd-pidip into Debian

2010-11-23 Thread Mathieu Bouchard

On Tue, 23 Nov 2010, Patrick Pagano wrote:


removing pdp/pidip is a bad idea


it's also a bad idea to cause the simple things that cause people to want 
to remove pidip.


if the military decides to use pidip for military use, chances it will be 
classified information, and no-one of us will ever know, so, it doesn't 
matter much.


if this sentence is to be kept, it can be moved to any other file than 
license, making sure that it doesn't look like an addendum to the license.


the only people being penalised by this sentence, is the puredata 
community. there a lot more significant places where one can protest 
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Re: [PD] pd-pidip into Debian

2010-11-23 Thread ydego...@gmail.com

thank you officer

you'll stay in too,
you made your good job of tracking deviants,
a song for you :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nULKw8s061E

ciao,
sevy

Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:


PDP has a regular GPL license, so its staying in.

.hc

On Nov 23, 2010, at 3:27 PM, Patrick Pagano wrote:


removing pdp/pidip is a bad idea

On 11/23/2010 11:58 AM, John Harrison wrote:

Yves:

It's your code so you get to choose. From my standpoint as an 
educator, removal of PiDiP from pd-extended is very unfortunate. I 
hope at some point you reconsider your position.


-John

On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 10:46 AM, ydego...@gmail.com 
mailto:ydego...@gmail.com ydego...@gmail.com 
mailto:ydego...@gmail.com wrote:



good!!! i'm free to do what i like now!!!

yeh!

sevy

Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:


Ok, will do. I also have to remove pidip from Pd-extended
based on this license.

.hc

On Nov 23, 2010, at 7:18 AM, ydego...@free.fr
mailto:ydego...@free.fr wrote:

jooo, que espeso ...

i told you 1 times not to package my stuff,
that i'm happy with the packages of goto10...

so [EOC]


ciao,
sevy


Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:


Hey Lluis and Yves,

I see that puredyne has packaged pidip, so it should
be pretty easy to get it into Debian. The only
problem is the license. If it was a straight BSD or
GPL license, then it would be fine. The problem is
this line:

NOT FOR MILITARY OR REPRESSIVE USE !!!

That isn't free according to the Debian Free
Software Guidelines.

.hc





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Re: [PD] pd-pidip into Debian

2010-11-23 Thread Chris McCormick
i want to like this reply, but i can't find the facebook 'like' button

On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 05:46:22PM +0100, ydego...@gmail.com wrote:

 good!!! i'm free to do what i like now!!!

 yeh!

 sevy

 Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:

 Ok, will do. I also have to remove pidip from Pd-extended based on  
 this license.

 .hc

 On Nov 23, 2010, at 7:18 AM, ydego...@free.fr wrote:

 jooo, que espeso ...

 i told you 1 times not to package my stuff,
 that i'm happy with the packages of goto10...

 so [EOC]


 ciao,
 sevy


 Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:

 Hey Lluis and Yves,

 I see that puredyne has packaged pidip, so it should be pretty easy 
 to get it into Debian. The only problem is the license. If it was a 
 straight BSD or GPL license, then it would be fine. The problem is  
 this line:

 NOT FOR MILITARY OR REPRESSIVE USE !!!

 That isn't free according to the Debian Free Software Guidelines.

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 As we enjoy great advantages from inventions of others, we should 
 be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours; 
 and this we should do freely and generously. - Benjamin Franklin










 
  
 


 Programs should be written for people to read, and only incidentally  
 for machines to execute.
 - from Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs




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