Re: [PD] pd-pidip into Debian
+1 for including the line about military use in pd's license. That will make us all happy. And the military then has to use maxmsp. Though, I assume it means military institutions and not my own militant guerilla art. But, we could also conclude that war/military is commercial, at least in the sense that war is waged for profit, and thus GPL should do On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 5:46 PM, ydego...@gmail.com ydego...@gmail.comwrote: good!!! i'm free to do what i like now!!! yeh! sevy Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Ok, will do. I also have to remove pidip from Pd-extended based on this license. .hc On Nov 23, 2010, at 7:18 AM, ydego...@free.fr wrote: jooo, que espeso ... i told you 1 times not to package my stuff, that i'm happy with the packages of goto10... so [EOC] ciao, sevy Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Hey Lluis and Yves, I see that puredyne has packaged pidip, so it should be pretty easy to get it into Debian. The only problem is the license. If it was a straight BSD or GPL license, then it would be fine. The problem is this line: NOT FOR MILITARY OR REPRESSIVE USE !!! That isn't free according to the Debian Free Software Guidelines. .hc As we enjoy great advantages from inventions of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours; and this we should do freely and generously. - Benjamin Franklin Programs should be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute. - from Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-pidip into Debian
I agree but how could such a term ever be enforced if the military were to use it? Through litigation? IMO such a term is unenforceable ... arguably making it redundant-although I am happy to hear other's point of view? On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 10:25 PM, Martin . blindmanona...@gmail.com wrote: +1 for including the line about military use in pd's license. That will make us all happy. And the military then has to use maxmsp. Though, I assume it means military institutions and not my own militant guerilla art. But, we could also conclude that war/military is commercial, at least in the sense that war is waged for profit, and thus GPL should do On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 5:46 PM, ydego...@gmail.com ydego...@gmail.comwrote: good!!! i'm free to do what i like now!!! yeh! sevy Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Ok, will do. I also have to remove pidip from Pd-extended based on this license. .hc On Nov 23, 2010, at 7:18 AM, ydego...@free.fr wrote: jooo, que espeso ... i told you 1 times not to package my stuff, that i'm happy with the packages of goto10... so [EOC] ciao, sevy Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Hey Lluis and Yves, I see that puredyne has packaged pidip, so it should be pretty easy to get it into Debian. The only problem is the license. If it was a straight BSD or GPL license, then it would be fine. The problem is this line: NOT FOR MILITARY OR REPRESSIVE USE !!! That isn't free according to the Debian Free Software Guidelines. .hc As we enjoy great advantages from inventions of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours; and this we should do freely and generously. - Benjamin Franklin Programs should be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute. - from Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-pidip into Debian
The GPL doesn't restrict people from doing commercial business with the software (although v3 does try to restrict certain types of monkey business). -Jonathan --- On Sat, 12/11/10, Martin . blindmanona...@gmail.com wrote: From: Martin . blindmanona...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [PD] pd-pidip into Debian To: PD List pd-list@iem.at Date: Saturday, December 11, 2010, 11:25 PM +1 for including the line about military use in pd's license. That will make us all happy. And the military then has to use maxmsp. Though, I assume it means military institutions and not my own militant guerilla art. But, we could also conclude that war/military is commercial, at least in the sense that war is waged for profit, and thus GPL should do On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 5:46 PM, ydego...@gmail.com ydego...@gmail.com wrote: good!!! i'm free to do what i like now!!! yeh! sevy Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Ok, will do. I also have to remove pidip from Pd-extended based on this license. .hc On Nov 23, 2010, at 7:18 AM, ydego...@free.fr wrote: jooo, que espeso ... i told you 1 times not to package my stuff, that i'm happy with the packages of goto10... so [EOC] ciao, sevy Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Hey Lluis and Yves, I see that puredyne has packaged pidip, so it should be pretty easy to get it into Debian. The only problem is the license. If it was a straight BSD or GPL license, then it would be fine. The problem is this line: NOT FOR MILITARY OR REPRESSIVE USE !!! That isn't free according to the Debian Free Software Guidelines. .hc As we enjoy great advantages from inventions of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours; and this we should do freely and generously. - Benjamin Franklin Programs should be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute. - from Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-pidip into Debian
2010/12/4 Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca: It's because GPL is for hippies, or something. It's the other way around. BSD is hippier: Someone in Berkley smoked marijuana and said: hey man, let's just give it away, who cares what people will do with it, let them turn this into proprietary or whatever. I don't get this BSD fondness of the PD people ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-pidip into Debian
Bernardo Barros wrote: 2010/12/4 Mathieu Bouchardma...@artengine.ca: It's because GPL is for hippies, or something. It's the other way around. BSD is hippier: Someone in Berkley smoked marijuana and said: hey man, let's just give it away, who cares what people will do with it, let them turn this into proprietary or whatever. I don't get this BSD fondness of the PD people ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list you confuse marijuana with LSD if i can intervene, it was LSD license at that time, for a joke that makes sense then you are all buried deeply in the same system that it's useless to talk, really ciao, sevy ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-pidip into Debian
_or a sexually aroused gas mask. ___ From: pd-list-boun...@iem.at [pd-list-boun...@iem.at] On Behalf Of João Pais [jmmmp...@googlemail.com] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 8:40 PM To: pd-list@iem.at; Derek Holzer Subject: Re: [PD] pd-pidip into Debian From now on I refuse to allow my code to be used in anything that sucks. so you'll never try to control a vacuum cleaner with Pd... ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-pidip into Debian
On Fri, 3 Dec 2010, Derek Holzer wrote: From now on I refuse to allow my code to be used in anything that sucks. The licensee thereby agrees to not make fan videos of Kate Ryan or Avril Lavigne or Johnny Halliday, no matter how noncommercial you may be doing it. ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-pidip into Debian
I don't get all this discussion... why not just stick with plain GPL? That's why Google Code restricted the possible licenses to choose... ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-pidip into Debian
Well, I hope they are all joking. I believe SourceForge also only allows code with free licenses, so code with such restrictions would not be allowed on SourceForge. But I could be wrong there. .hc On Dec 4, 2010, at 10:56 AM, Bernardo Barros wrote: I don't get all this discussion... why not just stick with plain GPL? That's why Google Code restricted the possible licenses to choose... ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list http://at.or.at/hans/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-pidip into Debian
I read somewhere they used the Pd test-tone patch to torture inmates at Guantanamo Bay. Doesn't that suck? We certainly wouldn't want a license which allows that kind of thing to happen, would we? D. On 12/4/10 9:25 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Well, I hope they are all joking. I believe SourceForge also only allows code with free licenses, so code with such restrictions would not be allowed on SourceForge. But I could be wrong there. .hc On Dec 4, 2010, at 10:56 AM, Bernardo Barros wrote: I don't get all this discussion... why not just stick with plain GPL? That's why Google Code restricted the possible licenses to choose... -- ::: derek holzer ::: http://macumbista.net ::: ---Oblique Strategy # 116: Make an exhaustive list of everything you might do and do the last thing on the list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-pidip into Debian
On Sat, 4 Dec 2010, Bernardo Barros wrote: I don't get all this discussion... why not just stick with plain GPL? It's because GPL is for hippies, or something. That's why Google Code restricted the possible licenses to choose... What's why ? I don't follow. Do you really know why Google did it ? And then, is it relevant ? ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-pidip into Debian
From now on I refuse to allow my code to be used in anything that sucks. D. On 12/3/10 5:51 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Fri, 3 Dec 2010, ydego...@gmail.com wrote: pidip and unauthorized are now published with a non-standard license that says : * any project that promotes : racism, nationalism, xenophobia, sexism, homophobia, religious hatred or missionarism .. ( expandable list) «Nationalism» is a broad word : if one makes an artwork related to cultural self-determination, isn't it not what you had in mind at all, and yet, don't people use the same word to mean it ? Can you make the text more precise to reflect that fact ? -- ::: derek holzer ::: http://macumbista.net ::: ---Oblique Strategy # 34: Consider different fading systems ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-pidip into Debian
From now on I refuse to allow my code to be used in anything that sucks. so you'll never try to control a vacuum cleaner with Pd... ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-pidip into Debian
The processor running Pd must not be inside the vacuum cleaner, so we can still use his precious code :) as long as the processor blows its OK i guess... On 4 December 2010 02:40, João Pais jmmmp...@googlemail.com wrote: From now on I refuse to allow my code to be used in anything that sucks. so you'll never try to control a vacuum cleaner with Pd... ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-pidip into Debian
good!!! i'm free to do what i like now!!! yeh! sevy Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Ok, will do. I also have to remove pidip from Pd-extended based on this license. .hc On Nov 23, 2010, at 7:18 AM, ydego...@free.fr wrote: jooo, que espeso ... i told you 1 times not to package my stuff, that i'm happy with the packages of goto10... so [EOC] ciao, sevy Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Hey Lluis and Yves, I see that puredyne has packaged pidip, so it should be pretty easy to get it into Debian. The only problem is the license. If it was a straight BSD or GPL license, then it would be fine. The problem is this line: NOT FOR MILITARY OR REPRESSIVE USE !!! That isn't free according to the Debian Free Software Guidelines. .hc As we enjoy great advantages from inventions of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours; and this we should do freely and generously. - Benjamin Franklin Programs should be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute. - from Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-pidip into Debian
Yves: It's your code so you get to choose. From my standpoint as an educator, removal of PiDiP from pd-extended is very unfortunate. I hope at some point you reconsider your position. -John On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 10:46 AM, ydego...@gmail.com ydego...@gmail.comwrote: good!!! i'm free to do what i like now!!! yeh! sevy Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Ok, will do. I also have to remove pidip from Pd-extended based on this license. .hc On Nov 23, 2010, at 7:18 AM, ydego...@free.fr wrote: jooo, que espeso ... i told you 1 times not to package my stuff, that i'm happy with the packages of goto10... so [EOC] ciao, sevy Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Hey Lluis and Yves, I see that puredyne has packaged pidip, so it should be pretty easy to get it into Debian. The only problem is the license. If it was a straight BSD or GPL license, then it would be fine. The problem is this line: NOT FOR MILITARY OR REPRESSIVE USE !!! That isn't free according to the Debian Free Software Guidelines. .hc As we enjoy great advantages from inventions of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours; and this we should do freely and generously. - Benjamin Franklin Programs should be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute. - from Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-pidip into Debian
removing pdp/pidip is a bad idea On 11/23/2010 11:58 AM, John Harrison wrote: Yves: It's your code so you get to choose. From my standpoint as an educator, removal of PiDiP from pd-extended is very unfortunate. I hope at some point you reconsider your position. -John On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 10:46 AM, ydego...@gmail.com mailto:ydego...@gmail.com ydego...@gmail.com mailto:ydego...@gmail.com wrote: good!!! i'm free to do what i like now!!! yeh! sevy Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Ok, will do. I also have to remove pidip from Pd-extended based on this license. .hc On Nov 23, 2010, at 7:18 AM, ydego...@free.fr mailto:ydego...@free.fr wrote: jooo, que espeso ... i told you 1 times not to package my stuff, that i'm happy with the packages of goto10... so [EOC] ciao, sevy Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Hey Lluis and Yves, I see that puredyne has packaged pidip, so it should be pretty easy to get it into Debian. The only problem is the license. If it was a straight BSD or GPL license, then it would be fine. The problem is this line: NOT FOR MILITARY OR REPRESSIVE USE !!! That isn't free according to the Debian Free Software Guidelines. .hc As we enjoy great advantages from inventions of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours; and this we should do freely and generously. - Benjamin Franklin Programs should be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute. - from Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-pidip into Debian
PDP has a regular GPL license, so its staying in. .hc On Nov 23, 2010, at 3:27 PM, Patrick Pagano wrote: removing pdp/pidip is a bad idea On 11/23/2010 11:58 AM, John Harrison wrote: Yves: It's your code so you get to choose. From my standpoint as an educator, removal of PiDiP from pd-extended is very unfortunate. I hope at some point you reconsider your position. -John On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 10:46 AM, ydego...@gmail.com ydego...@gmail.com wrote: good!!! i'm free to do what i like now!!! yeh! sevy Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Ok, will do. I also have to remove pidip from Pd-extended based on this license. .hc On Nov 23, 2010, at 7:18 AM, ydego...@free.fr wrote: jooo, que espeso ... i told you 1 times not to package my stuff, that i'm happy with the packages of goto10... so [EOC] ciao, sevy Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Hey Lluis and Yves, I see that puredyne has packaged pidip, so it should be pretty easy to get it into Debian. The only problem is the license. If it was a straight BSD or GPL license, then it would be fine. The problem is this line: NOT FOR MILITARY OR REPRESSIVE USE !!! That isn't free according to the Debian Free Software Guidelines. .hc As we enjoy great advantages from inventions of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours; and this we should do freely and generously. - Benjamin Franklin Programs should be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute. - from Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone. --Bjarne Stroustrup (creator of C++) ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-pidip into Debian
On Tue, 23 Nov 2010, Patrick Pagano wrote: removing pdp/pidip is a bad idea it's also a bad idea to cause the simple things that cause people to want to remove pidip. if the military decides to use pidip for military use, chances it will be classified information, and no-one of us will ever know, so, it doesn't matter much. if this sentence is to be kept, it can be moved to any other file than license, making sure that it doesn't look like an addendum to the license. the only people being penalised by this sentence, is the puredata community. there a lot more significant places where one can protest against war. ___ | Mathieu Bouchard - Aix-en-Provence ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-pidip into Debian
thank you officer you'll stay in too, you made your good job of tracking deviants, a song for you : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nULKw8s061E ciao, sevy Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: PDP has a regular GPL license, so its staying in. .hc On Nov 23, 2010, at 3:27 PM, Patrick Pagano wrote: removing pdp/pidip is a bad idea On 11/23/2010 11:58 AM, John Harrison wrote: Yves: It's your code so you get to choose. From my standpoint as an educator, removal of PiDiP from pd-extended is very unfortunate. I hope at some point you reconsider your position. -John On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 10:46 AM, ydego...@gmail.com mailto:ydego...@gmail.com ydego...@gmail.com mailto:ydego...@gmail.com wrote: good!!! i'm free to do what i like now!!! yeh! sevy Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Ok, will do. I also have to remove pidip from Pd-extended based on this license. .hc On Nov 23, 2010, at 7:18 AM, ydego...@free.fr mailto:ydego...@free.fr wrote: jooo, que espeso ... i told you 1 times not to package my stuff, that i'm happy with the packages of goto10... so [EOC] ciao, sevy Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Hey Lluis and Yves, I see that puredyne has packaged pidip, so it should be pretty easy to get it into Debian. The only problem is the license. If it was a straight BSD or GPL license, then it would be fine. The problem is this line: NOT FOR MILITARY OR REPRESSIVE USE !!! That isn't free according to the Debian Free Software Guidelines. .hc As we enjoy great advantages from inventions of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours; and this we should do freely and generously. - Benjamin Franklin Programs should be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute. - from Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone. --Bjarne Stroustrup (creator of C++) ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-pidip into Debian
i want to like this reply, but i can't find the facebook 'like' button On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 05:46:22PM +0100, ydego...@gmail.com wrote: good!!! i'm free to do what i like now!!! yeh! sevy Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Ok, will do. I also have to remove pidip from Pd-extended based on this license. .hc On Nov 23, 2010, at 7:18 AM, ydego...@free.fr wrote: jooo, que espeso ... i told you 1 times not to package my stuff, that i'm happy with the packages of goto10... so [EOC] ciao, sevy Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Hey Lluis and Yves, I see that puredyne has packaged pidip, so it should be pretty easy to get it into Debian. The only problem is the license. If it was a straight BSD or GPL license, then it would be fine. The problem is this line: NOT FOR MILITARY OR REPRESSIVE USE !!! That isn't free according to the Debian Free Software Guidelines. .hc As we enjoy great advantages from inventions of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours; and this we should do freely and generously. - Benjamin Franklin Programs should be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute. - from Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
