Re: [PD] pd on ipad with externals
Hi Peter, Alexander We will document it more later, but very briefly first you need root on the device, and make sure that you have the latest version of Maemo 5 10.2010.19-1, then the usual ones, tcl8.5_8.5.8-2maemo2_armel.deb, tcl8.5-dev_8.5.8-2maemo2_armel.deb, tk8.5_8.5.8-1maemo1_armel.deb, tk8.5-dev_8.5.8-1maemo1_armel.deb. And for Alsa libasound2-dev is necessary. After that you can ./configure and make pd-0.42-5. This will at least make you run Pd and for better audio, we are working on that at the moment. Koray On Aug 14, 2010, at 12:36 PM, Peter Plessas wrote: Dear Koray, any things one has to consider when compiling pd for Maemo then? thanks! P On 08/14/2010 08:08 AM, Koray Tahiroglu wrote: Hei Peter, Maemo runs Pd GUI as any linux machine runs Pd. Maemo is OS, I am not sure what Nokia thinks about its development, they might have weird decisions sometimes. At the moment, Jari Kleimola and I are working on this, currently focusing on the audio porting, and got good results immediately. Best, Koray On Aug 13, 2010, at 3:59 PM, Peter Plessas wrote: Merhaba Koray, that's exciting news! Does Maemo run Pd's GUI too? Do you know if Maemo (that's the OS, right?) will be developed further, I heard it will be merged with MeeGo? Oh, and who is 'we', the people developing it? all the best, Peter On 08/13/2010 09:41 AM, Koray Tahiroglu wrote: Maemo N900 is another option, as you can run Pd-vanilla and you can compile any external you like ( although we haven't test GEM yet) in the actual device. We are currently fixing the audio and later on we might take a look at some GUI development, but the good thing is, it is the same Pd version you use in your computers, so all your previous patches will also work in Maemo as well. Later on we will also try Pd-extended in N900. I will post the link later on when we will have time to document all these. Koray On Aug 11, 2010, at 5:47 PM, pd-list-requ...@iem.at wrote: Message: 2 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 09:31:39 -0400 From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Subject: Re: [PD] pd on ipad with externals To: Peter Plessas ples...@mur.at Cc: pd-list PD-list@iem.at Message-ID: 1281533499.2724.18.ca...@palatschinken Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Right now, Peter Brinkmann, Peter Kirn, and I are leading the effort, but there have been a number of contributors as the project was developed. We have a nice Android/libpd app design and are now working on finalizing a proper release. The source code is available, break out your Eclipse and your phone (or use the emulator) and try it out! http://gitorious.org/pdlib .hc On Wed, 2010-08-11 at 13:16 +0200, Peter Plessas wrote: Lieber Hans, Who is developing what here? Is there a name for the project? What's the status? liebe Gr?sse, Peter On 08/10/2010 06:42 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I suggest getting an Android device, we have the loading of externals working so its only a matter of time before we have Pd-extended in the Android Marketplace. That said, you can build Pd for iPhoneOS, run it from the cmd line, then load externals. Then you can use the [apple/multitouch] to get data from the touch. .hc On Aug 10, 2010, at 6:07 AM, Jo?o Pais wrote: but to make patches run, they have to be programmed in vanilla, right? and it's not possible to do reatime control like input numbers, or anything more than the touchpad control? or is it possible to use pd-ext in the iphone or ipod maxi? rjdj is on the ipad, so Pd runs on the iPad. There are two other Pd for iPhoneOS branch projects out there (iJam?), so they should be runnable. If someone wants to take on merging all these iPhoneOS branches I'll help get it into the new libpd/Android branch and vanilla too. .hc On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 22:52 +0200, Peter Plessas wrote: Dear list, Does Pd run on an iPad? Can one compile externals for it and how is the development situation for the device? Thanks for any pointers! P ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Friedenstr. 58 10249 Berlin (Deutschland) Tel +49 30 42020091 | Mob +49 162 6843570 Studio +49 30 69509190 jmmmp...@googlemail.com | skype: jmmmpjmmmp - M.Koray Tahiroğlu Media Lab, Aalto University, School of Art and Design http://mlab.taik.fi/~korayt tel: +358 45 233 6272 ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list - M.Koray
Re: [PD] pd on ipad with externals
Thank you! Great info! best, P On 08/17/2010 08:01 AM, Koray Tahiroglu wrote: Hi Peter, Alexander We will document it more later, but very briefly first you need root on the device, and make sure that you have the latest version of Maemo 5 10.2010.19-1, then the usual ones, tcl8.5_8.5.8-2maemo2_armel.deb, tcl8.5-dev_8.5.8-2maemo2_armel.deb, tk8.5_8.5.8-1maemo1_armel.deb, tk8.5-dev_8.5.8-1maemo1_armel.deb. And for Alsa libasound2-dev is necessary. After that you can ./configure and make pd-0.42-5. This will at least make you run Pd and for better audio, we are working on that at the moment. Koray On Aug 14, 2010, at 12:36 PM, Peter Plessas wrote: Dear Koray, any things one has to consider when compiling pd for Maemo then? thanks! P On 08/14/2010 08:08 AM, Koray Tahiroglu wrote: Hei Peter, Maemo runs Pd GUI as any linux machine runs Pd. Maemo is OS, I am not sure what Nokia thinks about its development, they might have weird decisions sometimes. At the moment, Jari Kleimola and I are working on this, currently focusing on the audio porting, and got good results immediately. Best, Koray On Aug 13, 2010, at 3:59 PM, Peter Plessas wrote: Merhaba Koray, that's exciting news! Does Maemo run Pd's GUI too? Do you know if Maemo (that's the OS, right?) will be developed further, I heard it will be merged with MeeGo? Oh, and who is 'we', the people developing it? all the best, Peter On 08/13/2010 09:41 AM, Koray Tahiroglu wrote: Maemo N900 is another option, as you can run Pd-vanilla and you can compile any external you like ( although we haven't test GEM yet) in the actual device. We are currently fixing the audio and later on we might take a look at some GUI development, but the good thing is, it is the same Pd version you use in your computers, so all your previous patches will also work in Maemo as well. Later on we will also try Pd-extended in N900. I will post the link later on when we will have time to document all these. Koray On Aug 11, 2010, at 5:47 PM, pd-list-requ...@iem.at wrote: Message: 2 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 09:31:39 -0400 From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Subject: Re: [PD] pd on ipad with externals To: Peter Plessas ples...@mur.at Cc: pd-list PD-list@iem.at Message-ID: 1281533499.2724.18.ca...@palatschinken Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Right now, Peter Brinkmann, Peter Kirn, and I are leading the effort, but there have been a number of contributors as the project was developed. We have a nice Android/libpd app design and are now working on finalizing a proper release. The source code is available, break out your Eclipse and your phone (or use the emulator) and try it out! http://gitorious.org/pdlib .hc On Wed, 2010-08-11 at 13:16 +0200, Peter Plessas wrote: Lieber Hans, Who is developing what here? Is there a name for the project? What's the status? liebe Gr?sse, Peter On 08/10/2010 06:42 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I suggest getting an Android device, we have the loading of externals working so its only a matter of time before we have Pd-extended in the Android Marketplace. That said, you can build Pd for iPhoneOS, run it from the cmd line, then load externals. Then you can use the [apple/multitouch] to get data from the touch. .hc On Aug 10, 2010, at 6:07 AM, Jo?o Pais wrote: but to make patches run, they have to be programmed in vanilla, right? and it's not possible to do reatime control like input numbers, or anything more than the touchpad control? or is it possible to use pd-ext in the iphone or ipod maxi? rjdj is on the ipad, so Pd runs on the iPad. There are two other Pd for iPhoneOS branch projects out there (iJam?), so they should be runnable. If someone wants to take on merging all these iPhoneOS branches I'll help get it into the new libpd/Android branch and vanilla too. .hc On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 22:52 +0200, Peter Plessas wrote: Dear list, Does Pd run on an iPad? Can one compile externals for it and how is the development situation for the device? Thanks for any pointers! P ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Friedenstr. 58 10249 Berlin (Deutschland) Tel +49 30 42020091 | Mob +49 162 6843570 Studio +49 30 69509190 jmmmp...@googlemail.com | skype: jmmmpjmmmp - M.Koray Tahiroğlu Media Lab, Aalto University, School of Art and Design http://mlab.taik.fi/~korayt tel: +358 45 233 6272 ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd on ipad with externals
Hei Peter, Maemo runs Pd GUI as any linux machine runs Pd. Maemo is OS, I am not sure what Nokia thinks about its development, they might have weird decisions sometimes. At the moment, Jari Kleimola and I are working on this, currently focusing on the audio porting, and got good results immediately. Best, Koray On Aug 13, 2010, at 3:59 PM, Peter Plessas wrote: Merhaba Koray, that's exciting news! Does Maemo run Pd's GUI too? Do you know if Maemo (that's the OS, right?) will be developed further, I heard it will be merged with MeeGo? Oh, and who is 'we', the people developing it? all the best, Peter On 08/13/2010 09:41 AM, Koray Tahiroglu wrote: Maemo N900 is another option, as you can run Pd-vanilla and you can compile any external you like ( although we haven't test GEM yet) in the actual device. We are currently fixing the audio and later on we might take a look at some GUI development, but the good thing is, it is the same Pd version you use in your computers, so all your previous patches will also work in Maemo as well. Later on we will also try Pd-extended in N900. I will post the link later on when we will have time to document all these. Koray On Aug 11, 2010, at 5:47 PM, pd-list-requ...@iem.at wrote: Message: 2 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 09:31:39 -0400 From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Subject: Re: [PD] pd on ipad with externals To: Peter Plessas ples...@mur.at Cc: pd-list PD-list@iem.at Message-ID: 1281533499.2724.18.ca...@palatschinken Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Right now, Peter Brinkmann, Peter Kirn, and I are leading the effort, but there have been a number of contributors as the project was developed. We have a nice Android/libpd app design and are now working on finalizing a proper release. The source code is available, break out your Eclipse and your phone (or use the emulator) and try it out! http://gitorious.org/pdlib .hc On Wed, 2010-08-11 at 13:16 +0200, Peter Plessas wrote: Lieber Hans, Who is developing what here? Is there a name for the project? What's the status? liebe Gr?sse, Peter On 08/10/2010 06:42 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I suggest getting an Android device, we have the loading of externals working so its only a matter of time before we have Pd-extended in the Android Marketplace. That said, you can build Pd for iPhoneOS, run it from the cmd line, then load externals. Then you can use the [apple/multitouch] to get data from the touch. .hc On Aug 10, 2010, at 6:07 AM, Jo?o Pais wrote: but to make patches run, they have to be programmed in vanilla, right? and it's not possible to do reatime control like input numbers, or anything more than the touchpad control? or is it possible to use pd-ext in the iphone or ipod maxi? rjdj is on the ipad, so Pd runs on the iPad. There are two other Pd for iPhoneOS branch projects out there (iJam?), so they should be runnable. If someone wants to take on merging all these iPhoneOS branches I'll help get it into the new libpd/Android branch and vanilla too. .hc On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 22:52 +0200, Peter Plessas wrote: Dear list, Does Pd run on an iPad? Can one compile externals for it and how is the development situation for the device? Thanks for any pointers! P ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Friedenstr. 58 10249 Berlin (Deutschland) Tel +49 30 42020091 | Mob +49 162 6843570 Studio +49 30 69509190 jmmmp...@googlemail.com | skype: jmmmpjmmmp - M.Koray Tahiroğlu Media Lab, Aalto University, School of Art and Design http://mlab.taik.fi/~korayt tel: +358 45 233 6272 ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list - M.Koray Tahiroğlu Media Lab, Aalto University, School of Art and Design http://mlab.taik.fi/~korayt tel: +358 45 233 6272 ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd on ipad with externals
that's why N900 comes with Stylus Pen, you can do your patching smoothly, screen is not that small, no worries, but it can have some additional GUI features for N900 as well. Koray On Aug 14, 2010, at 2:02 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Tcl/Tk should run fine on the N900 since it runs on the N810. Can't say that Pd's GUI is going to be useful on a tiny screen with fat fingers :) .hc On Fri, 2010-08-13 at 14:59 +0200, Peter Plessas wrote: Merhaba Koray, that's exciting news! Does Maemo run Pd's GUI too? Do you know if Maemo (that's the OS, right?) will be developed further, I heard it will be merged with MeeGo? Oh, and who is 'we', the people developing it? all the best, Peter On 08/13/2010 09:41 AM, Koray Tahiroglu wrote: Maemo N900 is another option, as you can run Pd-vanilla and you can compile any external you like ( although we haven't test GEM yet) in the actual device. We are currently fixing the audio and later on we might take a look at some GUI development, but the good thing is, it is the same Pd version you use in your computers, so all your previous patches will also work in Maemo as well. Later on we will also try Pd-extended in N900. I will post the link later on when we will have time to document all these. Koray On Aug 11, 2010, at 5:47 PM, pd-list-requ...@iem.at wrote: Message: 2 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 09:31:39 -0400 From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Subject: Re: [PD] pd on ipad with externals To: Peter Plessas ples...@mur.at Cc: pd-list PD-list@iem.at Message-ID: 1281533499.2724.18.ca...@palatschinken Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Right now, Peter Brinkmann, Peter Kirn, and I are leading the effort, but there have been a number of contributors as the project was developed. We have a nice Android/libpd app design and are now working on finalizing a proper release. The source code is available, break out your Eclipse and your phone (or use the emulator) and try it out! http://gitorious.org/pdlib .hc On Wed, 2010-08-11 at 13:16 +0200, Peter Plessas wrote: Lieber Hans, Who is developing what here? Is there a name for the project? What's the status? liebe Gr?sse, Peter On 08/10/2010 06:42 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I suggest getting an Android device, we have the loading of externals working so its only a matter of time before we have Pd-extended in the Android Marketplace. That said, you can build Pd for iPhoneOS, run it from the cmd line, then load externals. Then you can use the [apple/multitouch] to get data from the touch. .hc On Aug 10, 2010, at 6:07 AM, Jo?o Pais wrote: but to make patches run, they have to be programmed in vanilla, right? and it's not possible to do reatime control like input numbers, or anything more than the touchpad control? or is it possible to use pd-ext in the iphone or ipod maxi? rjdj is on the ipad, so Pd runs on the iPad. There are two other Pd for iPhoneOS branch projects out there (iJam?), so they should be runnable. If someone wants to take on merging all these iPhoneOS branches I'll help get it into the new libpd/Android branch and vanilla too. .hc On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 22:52 +0200, Peter Plessas wrote: Dear list, Does Pd run on an iPad? Can one compile externals for it and how is the development situation for the device? Thanks for any pointers! P ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Friedenstr. 58 10249 Berlin (Deutschland) Tel +49 30 42020091 | Mob +49 162 6843570 Studio +49 30 69509190 jmmmp...@googlemail.com | skype: jmmmpjmmmp - M.Koray Tahiroğlu Media Lab, Aalto University, School of Art and Design http://mlab.taik.fi/~korayt tel: +358 45 233 6272 ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list - M.Koray Tahiroğlu Media Lab, Aalto University, School of Art and Design http://mlab.taik.fi/~korayt tel: +358 45 233 6272 ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd on ipad with externals
Dear Koray, any things one has to consider when compiling pd for Maemo then? thanks! P On 08/14/2010 08:08 AM, Koray Tahiroglu wrote: Hei Peter, Maemo runs Pd GUI as any linux machine runs Pd. Maemo is OS, I am not sure what Nokia thinks about its development, they might have weird decisions sometimes. At the moment, Jari Kleimola and I are working on this, currently focusing on the audio porting, and got good results immediately. Best, Koray On Aug 13, 2010, at 3:59 PM, Peter Plessas wrote: Merhaba Koray, that's exciting news! Does Maemo run Pd's GUI too? Do you know if Maemo (that's the OS, right?) will be developed further, I heard it will be merged with MeeGo? Oh, and who is 'we', the people developing it? all the best, Peter On 08/13/2010 09:41 AM, Koray Tahiroglu wrote: Maemo N900 is another option, as you can run Pd-vanilla and you can compile any external you like ( although we haven't test GEM yet) in the actual device. We are currently fixing the audio and later on we might take a look at some GUI development, but the good thing is, it is the same Pd version you use in your computers, so all your previous patches will also work in Maemo as well. Later on we will also try Pd-extended in N900. I will post the link later on when we will have time to document all these. Koray On Aug 11, 2010, at 5:47 PM, pd-list-requ...@iem.at wrote: Message: 2 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 09:31:39 -0400 From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Subject: Re: [PD] pd on ipad with externals To: Peter Plessas ples...@mur.at Cc: pd-list PD-list@iem.at Message-ID: 1281533499.2724.18.ca...@palatschinken Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Right now, Peter Brinkmann, Peter Kirn, and I are leading the effort, but there have been a number of contributors as the project was developed. We have a nice Android/libpd app design and are now working on finalizing a proper release. The source code is available, break out your Eclipse and your phone (or use the emulator) and try it out! http://gitorious.org/pdlib .hc On Wed, 2010-08-11 at 13:16 +0200, Peter Plessas wrote: Lieber Hans, Who is developing what here? Is there a name for the project? What's the status? liebe Gr?sse, Peter On 08/10/2010 06:42 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I suggest getting an Android device, we have the loading of externals working so its only a matter of time before we have Pd-extended in the Android Marketplace. That said, you can build Pd for iPhoneOS, run it from the cmd line, then load externals. Then you can use the [apple/multitouch] to get data from the touch. .hc On Aug 10, 2010, at 6:07 AM, Jo?o Pais wrote: but to make patches run, they have to be programmed in vanilla, right? and it's not possible to do reatime control like input numbers, or anything more than the touchpad control? or is it possible to use pd-ext in the iphone or ipod maxi? rjdj is on the ipad, so Pd runs on the iPad. There are two other Pd for iPhoneOS branch projects out there (iJam?), so they should be runnable. If someone wants to take on merging all these iPhoneOS branches I'll help get it into the new libpd/Android branch and vanilla too. .hc On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 22:52 +0200, Peter Plessas wrote: Dear list, Does Pd run on an iPad? Can one compile externals for it and how is the development situation for the device? Thanks for any pointers! P ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Friedenstr. 58 10249 Berlin (Deutschland) Tel +49 30 42020091 | Mob +49 162 6843570 Studio +49 30 69509190 jmmmp...@googlemail.com | skype: jmmmpjmmmp - M.Koray Tahiroğlu Media Lab, Aalto University, School of Art and Design http://mlab.taik.fi/~korayt tel: +358 45 233 6272 ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list - M.Koray Tahiroğlu Media Lab, Aalto University, School of Art and Design http://mlab.taik.fi/~korayt tel: +358 45 233 6272 ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd on ipad with externals
Maemo N900 is another option, as you can run Pd-vanilla and you can compile any external you like ( although we haven't test GEM yet) in the actual device. We are currently fixing the audio and later on we might take a look at some GUI development, but the good thing is, it is the same Pd version you use in your computers, so all your previous patches will also work in Maemo as well. Later on we will also try Pd-extended in N900. I will post the link later on when we will have time to document all these. Koray On Aug 11, 2010, at 5:47 PM, pd-list-requ...@iem.at wrote: Message: 2 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 09:31:39 -0400 From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Subject: Re: [PD] pd on ipad with externals To: Peter Plessas ples...@mur.at Cc: pd-list PD-list@iem.at Message-ID: 1281533499.2724.18.ca...@palatschinken Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Right now, Peter Brinkmann, Peter Kirn, and I are leading the effort, but there have been a number of contributors as the project was developed. We have a nice Android/libpd app design and are now working on finalizing a proper release. The source code is available, break out your Eclipse and your phone (or use the emulator) and try it out! http://gitorious.org/pdlib .hc On Wed, 2010-08-11 at 13:16 +0200, Peter Plessas wrote: Lieber Hans, Who is developing what here? Is there a name for the project? What's the status? liebe Gr?sse, Peter On 08/10/2010 06:42 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I suggest getting an Android device, we have the loading of externals working so its only a matter of time before we have Pd-extended in the Android Marketplace. That said, you can build Pd for iPhoneOS, run it from the cmd line, then load externals. Then you can use the [apple/multitouch] to get data from the touch. .hc On Aug 10, 2010, at 6:07 AM, Jo?o Pais wrote: but to make patches run, they have to be programmed in vanilla, right? and it's not possible to do reatime control like input numbers, or anything more than the touchpad control? or is it possible to use pd-ext in the iphone or ipod maxi? rjdj is on the ipad, so Pd runs on the iPad. There are two other Pd for iPhoneOS branch projects out there (iJam?), so they should be runnable. If someone wants to take on merging all these iPhoneOS branches I'll help get it into the new libpd/Android branch and vanilla too. .hc On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 22:52 +0200, Peter Plessas wrote: Dear list, Does Pd run on an iPad? Can one compile externals for it and how is the development situation for the device? Thanks for any pointers! P ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Friedenstr. 58 10249 Berlin (Deutschland) Tel +49 30 42020091 | Mob +49 162 6843570 Studio +49 30 69509190 jmmmp...@googlemail.com | skype: jmmmpjmmmp - M.Koray Tahiroğlu Media Lab, Aalto University, School of Art and Design http://mlab.taik.fi/~korayt tel: +358 45 233 6272 ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd on ipad with externals
Merhaba Koray, that's exciting news! Does Maemo run Pd's GUI too? Do you know if Maemo (that's the OS, right?) will be developed further, I heard it will be merged with MeeGo? Oh, and who is 'we', the people developing it? all the best, Peter On 08/13/2010 09:41 AM, Koray Tahiroglu wrote: Maemo N900 is another option, as you can run Pd-vanilla and you can compile any external you like ( although we haven't test GEM yet) in the actual device. We are currently fixing the audio and later on we might take a look at some GUI development, but the good thing is, it is the same Pd version you use in your computers, so all your previous patches will also work in Maemo as well. Later on we will also try Pd-extended in N900. I will post the link later on when we will have time to document all these. Koray On Aug 11, 2010, at 5:47 PM, pd-list-requ...@iem.at wrote: Message: 2 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 09:31:39 -0400 From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Subject: Re: [PD] pd on ipad with externals To: Peter Plessas ples...@mur.at Cc: pd-list PD-list@iem.at Message-ID: 1281533499.2724.18.ca...@palatschinken Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Right now, Peter Brinkmann, Peter Kirn, and I are leading the effort, but there have been a number of contributors as the project was developed. We have a nice Android/libpd app design and are now working on finalizing a proper release. The source code is available, break out your Eclipse and your phone (or use the emulator) and try it out! http://gitorious.org/pdlib .hc On Wed, 2010-08-11 at 13:16 +0200, Peter Plessas wrote: Lieber Hans, Who is developing what here? Is there a name for the project? What's the status? liebe Gr?sse, Peter On 08/10/2010 06:42 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I suggest getting an Android device, we have the loading of externals working so its only a matter of time before we have Pd-extended in the Android Marketplace. That said, you can build Pd for iPhoneOS, run it from the cmd line, then load externals. Then you can use the [apple/multitouch] to get data from the touch. .hc On Aug 10, 2010, at 6:07 AM, Jo?o Pais wrote: but to make patches run, they have to be programmed in vanilla, right? and it's not possible to do reatime control like input numbers, or anything more than the touchpad control? or is it possible to use pd-ext in the iphone or ipod maxi? rjdj is on the ipad, so Pd runs on the iPad. There are two other Pd for iPhoneOS branch projects out there (iJam?), so they should be runnable. If someone wants to take on merging all these iPhoneOS branches I'll help get it into the new libpd/Android branch and vanilla too. .hc On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 22:52 +0200, Peter Plessas wrote: Dear list, Does Pd run on an iPad? Can one compile externals for it and how is the development situation for the device? Thanks for any pointers! P ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Friedenstr. 58 10249 Berlin (Deutschland) Tel +49 30 42020091 | Mob +49 162 6843570 Studio +49 30 69509190 jmmmp...@googlemail.com | skype: jmmmpjmmmp - M.Koray Tahiroğlu Media Lab, Aalto University, School of Art and Design http://mlab.taik.fi/~korayt tel: +358 45 233 6272 ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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Tcl/Tk should run fine on the N900 since it runs on the N810. Can't say that Pd's GUI is going to be useful on a tiny screen with fat fingers :) .hc On Fri, 2010-08-13 at 14:59 +0200, Peter Plessas wrote: Merhaba Koray, that's exciting news! Does Maemo run Pd's GUI too? Do you know if Maemo (that's the OS, right?) will be developed further, I heard it will be merged with MeeGo? Oh, and who is 'we', the people developing it? all the best, Peter On 08/13/2010 09:41 AM, Koray Tahiroglu wrote: Maemo N900 is another option, as you can run Pd-vanilla and you can compile any external you like ( although we haven't test GEM yet) in the actual device. We are currently fixing the audio and later on we might take a look at some GUI development, but the good thing is, it is the same Pd version you use in your computers, so all your previous patches will also work in Maemo as well. Later on we will also try Pd-extended in N900. I will post the link later on when we will have time to document all these. Koray On Aug 11, 2010, at 5:47 PM, pd-list-requ...@iem.at wrote: Message: 2 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 09:31:39 -0400 From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Subject: Re: [PD] pd on ipad with externals To: Peter Plessas ples...@mur.at Cc: pd-list PD-list@iem.at Message-ID: 1281533499.2724.18.ca...@palatschinken Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Right now, Peter Brinkmann, Peter Kirn, and I are leading the effort, but there have been a number of contributors as the project was developed. We have a nice Android/libpd app design and are now working on finalizing a proper release. The source code is available, break out your Eclipse and your phone (or use the emulator) and try it out! http://gitorious.org/pdlib .hc On Wed, 2010-08-11 at 13:16 +0200, Peter Plessas wrote: Lieber Hans, Who is developing what here? Is there a name for the project? What's the status? liebe Gr?sse, Peter On 08/10/2010 06:42 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I suggest getting an Android device, we have the loading of externals working so its only a matter of time before we have Pd-extended in the Android Marketplace. That said, you can build Pd for iPhoneOS, run it from the cmd line, then load externals. Then you can use the [apple/multitouch] to get data from the touch. .hc On Aug 10, 2010, at 6:07 AM, Jo?o Pais wrote: but to make patches run, they have to be programmed in vanilla, right? and it's not possible to do reatime control like input numbers, or anything more than the touchpad control? or is it possible to use pd-ext in the iphone or ipod maxi? rjdj is on the ipad, so Pd runs on the iPad. There are two other Pd for iPhoneOS branch projects out there (iJam?), so they should be runnable. If someone wants to take on merging all these iPhoneOS branches I'll help get it into the new libpd/Android branch and vanilla too. .hc On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 22:52 +0200, Peter Plessas wrote: Dear list, Does Pd run on an iPad? Can one compile externals for it and how is the development situation for the device? Thanks for any pointers! P ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Friedenstr. 58 10249 Berlin (Deutschland) Tel +49 30 42020091 | Mob +49 162 6843570 Studio +49 30 69509190 jmmmp...@googlemail.com | skype: jmmmpjmmmp - M.Koray Tahiroğlu Media Lab, Aalto University, School of Art and Design http://mlab.taik.fi/~korayt tel: +358 45 233 6272 ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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Dream of drama and tragedy Jack, you old fool :) The Last Man will dribble kill me into his iLife machine with what's left of his mind. It says permission denied. a. On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 00:02:49 +0200 Jack j...@rybn.org wrote: This is the end Beautiful friend This is the end My only friend, the end ... ++ Jack Le mercredi 11 août 2010 à 20:51 +0100, Andy Farnell a écrit : My mistake, not _only_ GPL, there is a mix of licenses you are right. And you've been uncommonly dilligent in compiling the library, which motivated me to defend those who _did_ opt for GPL (within RjDj in general) All the same, this Apple business is making me uncomfortable. They have become the antithesis of everything they once held themselves to be. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYecfV3ubP8 You become what you hate. Now it's Steve Jobs that needs smashing in the face with a hammer. On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 09:51:02 +0200 Frank Barknecht f...@footils.org wrote: No, Andy, that's not true. I took great care to never include anything licensed as GPL from anywhere outside Reality Jockey. rj in fact is dual -- Andy Farnell padawa...@obiwannabe.co.uk ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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On Thu, 12 Aug 2010, Andy Farnell wrote: Dream of drama and tragedy Jack, you old fool :) The Last Man will dribble kill me into his iLife machine with what's left of his mind. It says permission denied. Or you don't exist. go away. http://stason.org/TULARC/os/linux-faq/156-You-don-t-exist-Go-away.html http://www.cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/1998-05/msg00522.html http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6531556 _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard, Montréal, Québec. téléphone: +1.514.383.3801___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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Hi, On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 12:42:52PM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: That said, you can build Pd for iPhoneOS, run it from the cmd line, then load externals. Then you can use the [apple/multitouch] to get data from the touch. Just to make it clear: RjDj supports multitouch as well, so does the ScenePlayer for Android, Peter wrote. Both use special send/receive instead of an external, though. Ciao -- Frank ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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Hi, On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 06:44:09PM +0100, Andy Farnell wrote: I wasn't aware that Apple are doing this. This is interesting and important to me. Frank and I are two of the principle authors of rjlib (in fact there are many others including Chris McCormick and many Pd artists who have allowed their work to be incorporated into the collection, all as GPL) Every patch carries a prominent GPL notice. No, Andy, that's not true. I took great care to never include anything licensed as GPL from anywhere outside Reality Jockey. rj in fact is dual licensed: The BSD parts like adapted help files all carry a BSD notice, *only* the parts written by RJ contractors include the GPL notice. For the rj library, the license issue is not such an issue, as it is possible to use the library and also the full scenes outside of the Apple jail, for example on Peter Brinkmann's ScenePlayer for Android. (I'm working with Peter polishing this.) The rj abstractions are not shipped via the AppStore, or at least not only there, you can also install them through the website without the DRM issue. Ciao -- Frank ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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Right now, Peter Brinkmann, Peter Kirn, and I are leading the effort, but there have been a number of contributors as the project was developed. We have a nice Android/libpd app design and are now working on finalizing a proper release. The source code is available, break out your Eclipse and your phone (or use the emulator) and try it out! http://gitorious.org/pdlib .hc On Wed, 2010-08-11 at 13:16 +0200, Peter Plessas wrote: Lieber Hans, Who is developing what here? Is there a name for the project? What's the status? liebe Grüsse, Peter On 08/10/2010 06:42 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I suggest getting an Android device, we have the loading of externals working so its only a matter of time before we have Pd-extended in the Android Marketplace. That said, you can build Pd for iPhoneOS, run it from the cmd line, then load externals. Then you can use the [apple/multitouch] to get data from the touch. .hc On Aug 10, 2010, at 6:07 AM, João Pais wrote: but to make patches run, they have to be programmed in vanilla, right? and it's not possible to do reatime control like input numbers, or anything more than the touchpad control? or is it possible to use pd-ext in the iphone or ipod maxi? rjdj is on the ipad, so Pd runs on the iPad. There are two other Pd for iPhoneOS branch projects out there (iJam?), so they should be runnable. If someone wants to take on merging all these iPhoneOS branches I'll help get it into the new libpd/Android branch and vanilla too. .hc On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 22:52 +0200, Peter Plessas wrote: Dear list, Does Pd run on an iPad? Can one compile externals for it and how is the development situation for the device? Thanks for any pointers! P ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Friedenstr. 58 10249 Berlin (Deutschland) Tel +49 30 42020091 | Mob +49 162 6843570 Studio +49 30 69509190 jmmmp...@googlemail.com | skype: jmmmpjmmmp kill your television ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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My mistake, not _only_ GPL, there is a mix of licenses you are right. And you've been uncommonly dilligent in compiling the library, which motivated me to defend those who _did_ opt for GPL (within RjDj in general) All the same, this Apple business is making me uncomfortable. They have become the antithesis of everything they once held themselves to be. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYecfV3ubP8 You become what you hate. Now it's Steve Jobs that needs smashing in the face with a hammer. On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 09:51:02 +0200 Frank Barknecht f...@footils.org wrote: No, Andy, that's not true. I took great care to never include anything licensed as GPL from anywhere outside Reality Jockey. rj in fact is dual -- Andy Farnell padawa...@obiwannabe.co.uk ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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Yeah, while it may be possible to be officially free software on the iPhoneOS, it is less and less possible to actually have free software. .hc On Wed, 2010-08-11 at 20:51 +0100, Andy Farnell wrote: My mistake, not _only_ GPL, there is a mix of licenses you are right. And you've been uncommonly dilligent in compiling the library, which motivated me to defend those who _did_ opt for GPL (within RjDj in general) All the same, this Apple business is making me uncomfortable. They have become the antithesis of everything they once held themselves to be. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYecfV3ubP8 You become what you hate. Now it's Steve Jobs that needs smashing in the face with a hammer. On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 09:51:02 +0200 Frank Barknecht f...@footils.org wrote: No, Andy, that's not true. I took great care to never include anything licensed as GPL from anywhere outside Reality Jockey. rj in fact is dual ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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This is the end Beautiful friend This is the end My only friend, the end ... ++ Jack Le mercredi 11 août 2010 à 20:51 +0100, Andy Farnell a écrit : My mistake, not _only_ GPL, there is a mix of licenses you are right. And you've been uncommonly dilligent in compiling the library, which motivated me to defend those who _did_ opt for GPL (within RjDj in general) All the same, this Apple business is making me uncomfortable. They have become the antithesis of everything they once held themselves to be. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYecfV3ubP8 You become what you hate. Now it's Steve Jobs that needs smashing in the face with a hammer. On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 09:51:02 +0200 Frank Barknecht f...@footils.org wrote: No, Andy, that's not true. I took great care to never include anything licensed as GPL from anywhere outside Reality Jockey. rj in fact is dual ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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but to make patches run, they have to be programmed in vanilla, right? and it's not possible to do reatime control like input numbers, or anything more than the touchpad control? or is it possible to use pd-ext in the iphone or ipod maxi? rjdj is on the ipad, so Pd runs on the iPad. There are two other Pd for iPhoneOS branch projects out there (iJam?), so they should be runnable. If someone wants to take on merging all these iPhoneOS branches I'll help get it into the new libpd/Android branch and vanilla too. .hc On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 22:52 +0200, Peter Plessas wrote: Dear list, Does Pd run on an iPad? Can one compile externals for it and how is the development situation for the device? Thanks for any pointers! P ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Friedenstr. 58 10249 Berlin (Deutschland) Tel +49 30 42020091 | Mob +49 162 6843570 Studio +49 30 69509190 jmmmp...@googlemail.com | skype: jmmmpjmmmp ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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i think apple does use a licence that is not compatible with pdX gpl licence, but it is compatible with pd bsd licence. so the problem comes from apple licence. it's not technical, but politics and commercial. c Le 10/08/2010 12:07, João Pais a écrit : but to make patches run, they have to be programmed in vanilla, right? and it's not possible to do reatime control like input numbers, or anything more than the touchpad control? or is it possible to use pd-ext in the iphone or ipod maxi? rjdj is on the ipad, so Pd runs on the iPad. There are two other Pd for iPhoneOS branch projects out there (iJam?), so they should be runnable. If someone wants to take on merging all these iPhoneOS branches I'll help get it into the new libpd/Android branch and vanilla too. .hc On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 22:52 +0200, Peter Plessas wrote: Dear list, Does Pd run on an iPad? Can one compile externals for it and how is the development situation for the device? Thanks for any pointers! P ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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On 08/10/2010 12:07 PM, João Pais wrote: but to make patches run, they have to be programmed in vanilla, right? and it's not possible to do reatime control like input numbers, or anything more than the touchpad control? I'd suppose everything that a mouse pointer can do, or is there a way to access the keyboard from any application? mfg, P ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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Hi, On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 11:07:55AM +0100, João Pais wrote: but to make patches run, they have to be programmed in vanilla, right? and it's not possible to do reatime control like input numbers, or anything more than the touchpad control? or is it possible to use pd-ext in the iphone or ipod maxi? As Cyrille wrote, it's mostly a political issue: AppStore apps are tied to the device and officially only available through the AppStore. This is some kind of DRM and many people don't consider it compatible with the GPL, at least not with the latest version. To play it safe, the Pd in RjDj only contains the BSD parts of Pd, no [expr] etc. Some GPL stuff is included, like the rj library, but that's all written by Reality Jockey. You cannot load your own externals because Apple disabled dynamic loading on a OS level. Nevertheless it's possible to do amazing things just with vanilla, expr-less Pd, as far as sound is concerned. The rj library has been designed to offer many ready-made vanilla solutions to common musical needs. It's possible to do kick-ass music just with vanilla, as all the recordings on rjdj.me prove, or just watch this video by Osaka techno act RYUKYUDISKO having fun with the Rj Voyager (which offers an auto-generated GUI for Pd patches): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bx9cXwhog8 (Yes, it *is* Pd vanilla making that sound.) Ciao -- Frank ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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--- On Tue, 8/10/10, Frank Barknecht f...@footils.org wrote: From: Frank Barknecht f...@footils.org Subject: Re: [PD] pd on ipad with externals To: pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, August 10, 2010, 12:53 PM Hi, On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 11:07:55AM +0100, João Pais wrote: but to make patches run, they have to be programmed in vanilla, right? and it's not possible to do reatime control like input numbers, or anything more than the touchpad control? or is it possible to use pd-ext in the iphone or ipod maxi? As Cyrille wrote, it's mostly a political issue: AppStore apps are tied to the device and officially only available through the AppStore. This is some kind of DRM and many people don't consider it compatible with the GPL, at least not with the latest version. More specifically, the FSF considers the GPL incompatible with the ToS for the Itunes and App store: http://www.fsf.org/news/blogs/licensing/more-about-the-app-store-gpl-enforcement To play it safe, the Pd in RjDj only contains the BSD parts of Pd, no [expr] etc. Some GPL stuff is included, like the rj library, but that's all written by Reality Jockey. What does authorship have to do with whether the Appstore ToS conflicts with the GPL? -Jonathan ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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I suggest getting an Android device, we have the loading of externals working so its only a matter of time before we have Pd-extended in the Android Marketplace. That said, you can build Pd for iPhoneOS, run it from the cmd line, then load externals. Then you can use the [apple/multitouch] to get data from the touch. .hc On Aug 10, 2010, at 6:07 AM, João Pais wrote: but to make patches run, they have to be programmed in vanilla, right? and it's not possible to do reatime control like input numbers, or anything more than the touchpad control? or is it possible to use pd-ext in the iphone or ipod maxi? rjdj is on the ipad, so Pd runs on the iPad. There are two other Pd for iPhoneOS branch projects out there (iJam?), so they should be runnable. If someone wants to take on merging all these iPhoneOS branches I'll help get it into the new libpd/Android branch and vanilla too. .hc On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 22:52 +0200, Peter Plessas wrote: Dear list, Does Pd run on an iPad? Can one compile externals for it and how is the development situation for the device? Thanks for any pointers! P ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Friedenstr. 58 10249 Berlin (Deutschland) Tel +49 30 42020091 | Mob +49 162 6843570 Studio +49 30 69509190 jmmmp...@googlemail.com | skype: jmmmpjmmmp kill your television ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd on ipad with externals
I wasn't aware that Apple are doing this. This is interesting and important to me. Frank and I are two of the principle authors of rjlib (in fact there are many others including Chris McCormick and many Pd artists who have allowed their work to be incorporated into the collection, all as GPL) Every patch carries a prominent GPL notice. On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 09:25:55 -0700 (PDT) Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Tue, 8/10/10, Frank Barknecht f...@footils.org wrote: From: Frank Barknecht f...@footils.org Subject: Re: [PD] pd on ipad with externals To: pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, August 10, 2010, 12:53 PM Hi, On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 11:07:55AM +0100, João Pais wrote: but to make patches run, they have to be programmed in vanilla, right? and it's not possible to do reatime control like input numbers, or anything more than the touchpad control? or is it possible to use pd-ext in the iphone or ipod maxi? As Cyrille wrote, it's mostly a political issue: AppStore apps are tied to the device and officially only available through the AppStore. This is some kind of DRM and many people don't consider it compatible with the GPL, at least not with the latest version. More specifically, the FSF considers the GPL incompatible with the ToS for the Itunes and App store: http://www.fsf.org/news/blogs/licensing/more-about-the-app-store-gpl-enforcement To play it safe, the Pd in RjDj only contains the BSD parts of Pd, no [expr] etc. Some GPL stuff is included, like the rj library, but that's all written by Reality Jockey. What does authorship have to do with whether the Appstore ToS conflicts with the GPL? -Jonathan ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Andy Farnell padawa...@obiwannabe.co.uk ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd on ipad with externals
see : http://www.fsf.org/news/2010-05-app-store-compliance/ anyway, if artiste allow there work to be included in apple store, they agree to distribute it under a double licence : gpl and apple. i'm not a legal expert, and not sure apple allow a double licensing. cyrille Le 10/08/2010 19:44, Andy Farnell a écrit : I wasn't aware that Apple are doing this. This is interesting and important to me. Frank and I are two of the principle authors of rjlib (in fact there are many others including Chris McCormick and many Pd artists who have allowed their work to be incorporated into the collection, all as GPL) Every patch carries a prominent GPL notice. On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 09:25:55 -0700 (PDT) Jonathan Wilkesjancs...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Tue, 8/10/10, Frank Barknechtf...@footils.org wrote: From: Frank Barknechtf...@footils.org Subject: Re: [PD] pd on ipad with externals To: pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, August 10, 2010, 12:53 PM Hi, On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 11:07:55AM +0100, João Pais wrote: but to make patches run, they have to be programmed in vanilla, right? and it's not possible to do reatime control like input numbers, or anything more than the touchpad control? or is it possible to use pd-ext in the iphone or ipod maxi? As Cyrille wrote, it's mostly a political issue: AppStore apps are tied to the device and officially only available through the AppStore. This is some kind of DRM and many people don't consider it compatible with the GPL, at least not with the latest version. More specifically, the FSF considers the GPL incompatible with the ToS for the Itunes and App store: http://www.fsf.org/news/blogs/licensing/more-about-the-app-store-gpl-enforcement To play it safe, the Pd in RjDj only contains the BSD parts of Pd, no [expr] etc. Some GPL stuff is included, like the rj library, but that's all written by Reality Jockey. What does authorship have to do with whether the Appstore ToS conflicts with the GPL? -Jonathan ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd on ipad with externals
I suggest getting an Android device, we have the loading of externals working so its only a matter of time before we have Pd-extended in the Android Marketplace. for myself, I will get an android as soon as I can afford it. That said, you can build Pd for iPhoneOS, run it from the cmd line, then load externals. Then you can use the [apple/multitouch] to get data from the touch. I'll look into this when I can. I assume that it's the same with an ipad, will it work with and ipod touch as well? ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd on ipad with externals
On Tue, 2010-08-10 at 21:54 +0100, João Pais wrote: I suggest getting an Android device, we have the loading of externals working so its only a matter of time before we have Pd-extended in the Android Marketplace. for myself, I will get an android as soon as I can afford it. That said, you can build Pd for iPhoneOS, run it from the cmd line, then load externals. Then you can use the [apple/multitouch] to get data from the touch. I'll look into this when I can. I assume that it's the same with an ipad, will it work with and ipod touch as well? I've only tested on a jailbroken iPod Touch 2G ssh'ing to it and running Pd from the command line. .hc ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] pd on ipad with externals
Dear list, Does Pd run on an iPad? Can one compile externals for it and how is the development situation for the device? Thanks for any pointers! P ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd on ipad with externals
rjdj is on the ipad, so Pd runs on the iPad. There are two other Pd for iPhoneOS branch projects out there (iJam?), so they should be runnable. If someone wants to take on merging all these iPhoneOS branches I'll help get it into the new libpd/Android branch and vanilla too. .hc On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 22:52 +0200, Peter Plessas wrote: Dear list, Does Pd run on an iPad? Can one compile externals for it and how is the development situation for the device? Thanks for any pointers! P ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
