Re: [PD] saving state of a patch
On Jul 21, 2008, at 3:46 PM, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Atte André Jensen hat gesagt: // Atte André Jensen wrote: Ok, thanks for all the advice, I'll look at sssad, then. First problem: It seems it's there, but broken (is it my that's broken?): Pd-extended is broken in that it cannot load abstractions that are in directories which have the same name as the abstraction. At least that's how I understand the problem. Users of upstream Pd like me aren't affected. Pd-extended is broken is much too broad. Saying the whole thing is broken doesn't help anyone. The problem is somewhere in the relationship of the libdir loader and Pd's logic for checking if it has already loaded a binary library. If you load a libdir called blah, you won't be able to load [blah/blah] or [blah]. .hc However google suggested that I should create [sssad/sssad], Don't believe google: the official name for [sssad] is [sssad]. But see below. and that worked. Unfortunately right-clicking-help totally freezes up my system (something that never happens). What's up with that? Is that just a single bug (so don't click here) or a symptom of something bad? Maybe it's the same issue of pd-extended that makes it fail to load [sssad]? I have no idea. Additional question: I never saw the slash in objects (like in [sssad/ssad]) before, it that some kind of namespace thing? Where can I read more on that, including pros/cons and recommended ways/ conventions? Can of worms here, you may want to read up in the archives. Basically it's like this: If your -path setting points to somedir and there is a directory test in it like somedir/test, then you can load an abstration myabs.pd in test like this: [test/myabs] This use of directory prefixes as a primitive namespace replacement is tricky, however. For one, you also have to set the -helppath to somedir, if you want to let Pd find the test/myabs-help.pd file in. This helpfile next to myabs.pd can use [myabs] directly, without prefix. But if you put the helpfile somewhere else, say into /doc/5.reference, then it won't find [myabs] without directory prefix anymore, so it has to use [test/myabs]. But if it uses [test/myabs] it won't work anymore if you copy myabs.pd and myabs-help.pd directly into your -path or into some other directory with a different name than test! Directory prefixes can make things messy, if you want to just copy abstractions around, e.g. to make self-contained packages or use project directories with everthing included. Pd-extended installs sssad.pd into extra/sssad/sssad.pd and as extra is in your pd-path, you can create [sssad/sssad] in pd-extended as well as [sssad] - or you used to until something broke. I was never fond of the additional and redundant sssad/sssad, but I'm all for freedom of choice so people may do whatever they like. But the official name as far as I'm concerned is [sssad]. As a workaround you can move the content of extra/sssad into the extra directory or another directory of your Pd-path. E.g. if you have a checkout of the Pd subversion trunk in PDSVN, you can use this in your .pdrc: -path PDSVN/trunk/abstractions/footils/sssad/ to always load the trunk version of sssad. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org__ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list I have the audacity to believe that peoples everywhere can have three meals a day for their bodies, education and culture for their minds, and dignity, equality and freedom for their spirits. - Martin Luther King, Jr. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] saving state of a patch
Phil Stone wrote: Hi Atte, Now that you're on your way with sssad, there's a nice trick you should know. If you find that loading a preset causes dropouts, consider using a ram disk to hold your presets during performance. This solved all my dropout problems, and it's easy to do (I can post a script for OS X if anyone wants it). Hi Phil yes please post the script. thanks eni ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] saving state of a patch
Luigi Rensinghoff wrote: because of prepend - list prepend ?? prepend should be deprecated, as it can be implemented in pure-pd language (with list route objects) ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] saving state of a patch
Michal Seta wrote: Hi Atte The best way to start using memento is to get a patch that works, copy and paste the guts into your own and adapt. That is, providing that memento works at all on your system. There is a guide on footils.org that should get you started with the ideas behind the system. It works fine for me (I don't have pd handy right now so I cannot offer any specific pointers). An alternative is apparently part of the pdmtl abstractions http://wiki.dataflow.ws/PdMtlAbstractions I saw a presentation on if bu have not yet tried it. It is, arguably, simpler to adopt than memento. Both seems complex, and although I appreciate RRADical's (which it seems memento is part of) paradigm, I'm still quite new to PD and would like to make a few mistakes and learn a few lessons before I just adopt someone else's approach. However, http://footils.org/cms/show/1#persistence suggests that two, more basic, options exist: state and pool. 1) State. I can instantiate it in my 0.40-3extended-20080628 (under linux), but there's no state-help.pd anywhere. Where can I read about it? The above link mentions it only saves gui, I might want to save content of table/arrays, is that not considered gui? If not, is there an obvious and therefore elegant of saving guis + tables/arrays with state? 2) Pool. I have the pool-help.pd file, but I cannot instantiate pool, isn't that part of pd-extended? I tried downloading it and compiling it myself, but failed: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/music/synth/pd/externals/pool$ bash /usr/lib/pd/doc/manuals/flext/tutorial/build.sh linux pd gcc bash: ../build.sh: No such file or directory Obviously I have no clue about using flext, could someone help me getting this working? At the end of the day, what would be the best bet, state, pool, memento or pdmtl? I should note that what I'm trying to do is work out some abstractions for live electronica, and now I need a way to save piece1.pd and another_piece.pd which contains one or more instances of one or more of my abstractions, complete with gui settings and all. If I could just press save all this, so everything I loaded in this patch is exactly the same when I open it again I'd be sooo happy :-) -- peace, love harmony Atte http://atte.dk | http://myspace.com/attejensen http://anagrammer.dk | http://modlys.dk ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] saving state of a patch
Michal Seta wrote: The best way to start using memento is to get a patch that works, copy and paste the guts into your own and adapt. That is, providing that memento works at all on your system. There is a guide on footils.org that should get you started with the ideas behind the system. It works fine for me (I don't have pd handy right now so I cannot offer any specific pointers). An alternative is apparently part of the pdmtl abstractions http://wiki.dataflow.ws/PdMtlAbstractions I saw a presentation on if bu have not yet tried it. It is, arguably, simpler to adopt than memento. Both seems complex, and although I appreciate RRADical's (which it seems memento is part of) paradigm, I'm still quite new to PD and would like to make a few mistakes and learn a few lessons before I just adopt someone else's approach. However, http://footils.org/cms/show/1#persistence suggests that two, more basic, options exist: state and pool. 1) State. I can instantiate it in my 0.40-3extended-20080628 (under linux), but there's no state-help.pd anywhere. Where can I read about it? The above link mentions it only saves gui, I might want to save content of table/arrays, is that not considered gui? If not, is there an obvious and therefore elegant of saving guis + tables/arrays with state? 2) Pool. I have the pool-help.pd file, but I cannot instantiate pool, isn't that part of pd-extended? I tried downloading it and compiling it myself, but failed: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/music/synth/pd/externals/pool$ bash /usr/lib/pd/doc/manuals/flext/tutorial/build.sh linux pd gcc bash: ../build.sh: No such file or directory Obviously I have no clue about using flext, could someone help me getting this working? At the end of the day, what would be the best bet, state, pool, memento or pdmtl? I should note that what I'm trying to do is work out some abstractions for live electronica, and now I need a way to save piece1.pd and another_piece.pd which contains one or more instances of one or more of my abstractions, complete with gui settings and all. If I could just press save all this, so everything I loaded in this patch is exactly the same when I open it again I'd be sooo happy :-) -- peace, love harmony Atte http://atte.dk | http://myspace.com/attejensen http://anagrammer.dk | http://modlys.dk ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] saving state of a patch
Hi Atte, I am currently using a mix of sssad and rradical/memento in my live performance setup. sssad is a little easier to implement, and works great. For a good working example, see Chris McCormick's s-abstraction library. Also, my [polywavesynth] uses sssad for state-saving, and the help and example files show how to do this. (See: http://www.pkstonemusic.com/polyWaveSynth.html ; look at the [pd sssadStuff] subpatch in particular, and see in [polywavesynth-example] how to load and save presets). rradical/memento uses [pool] in its default configuration. Despite some very slight inconveniences associated with getting [pool]*, it's well worth it, as it's a very powerful hierarchical storage object. What it brings to rradical/memento that sssad does not have is a substate capability, which allows banks of presets, switchable by merely sending a preset number. This is very cool. Frank Barknecht states in the documentation for rradical/memento that the underlying storage object for memento could be something besides [pool], but I must say that, personally speaking, modifying memento is daunting. For instance, I would like to change the organization of the hierarchy so that it is possible to cut and paste presets, but the hierarchy is not organized that way. Luke Iannini has done a variation on memento called semento which adds some very nice functionality, including auto-mapping to controllers. All in all, state-saving on Pd is not really mature, and it would be nice if there were an overall solution so that some standardization and refinement could take place. However, I think either sssad or rradical/memento would serve your purposes quite well. Best, Phil Stone pkstonemusic.com * see this thread: http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2008-01/058382.html Atte André Jensen wrote: Michal Seta wrote: Hi Atte The best way to start using memento is to get a patch that works, copy and paste the guts into your own and adapt. That is, providing that memento works at all on your system. There is a guide on footils.org that should get you started with the ideas behind the system. It works fine for me (I don't have pd handy right now so I cannot offer any specific pointers). An alternative is apparently part of the pdmtl abstractions http://wiki.dataflow.ws/PdMtlAbstractions I saw a presentation on if bu have not yet tried it. It is, arguably, simpler to adopt than memento. Both seems complex, and although I appreciate RRADical's (which it seems memento is part of) paradigm, I'm still quite new to PD and would like to make a few mistakes and learn a few lessons before I just adopt someone else's approach. However, http://footils.org/cms/show/1#persistence suggests that two, more basic, options exist: state and pool. 1) State. I can instantiate it in my 0.40-3extended-20080628 (under linux), but there's no state-help.pd anywhere. Where can I read about it? The above link mentions it only saves gui, I might want to save content of table/arrays, is that not considered gui? If not, is there an obvious and therefore elegant of saving guis + tables/arrays with state? 2) Pool. I have the pool-help.pd file, but I cannot instantiate pool, isn't that part of pd-extended? I tried downloading it and compiling it myself, but failed: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/music/synth/pd/externals/pool$ bash /usr/lib/pd/doc/manuals/flext/tutorial/build.sh linux pd gcc bash: ../build.sh: No such file or directory Obviously I have no clue about using flext, could someone help me getting this working? At the end of the day, what would be the best bet, state, pool, memento or pdmtl? I should note that what I'm trying to do is work out some abstractions for live electronica, and now I need a way to save piece1.pd and another_piece.pd which contains one or more instances of one or more of my abstractions, complete with gui settings and all. If I could just press save all this, so everything I loaded in this patch is exactly the same when I open it again I'd be sooo happy :-) ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] saving state of a patch
Hi if you just need to save for example the initial state of the patch - and since you said you are a beginner. 1) Use number2 instead of number, like toggle it has an init/no init switch, so it saves one state. 2) You can send all the parameters you want to save to a messagebox, just with | set $1 (. With clever naming and the use of abstractions you dont have to do much wiring But be careful: Message Boxes dont save their state within subpatches so they have to be in the parent patch. And actually when PD crashes a lot it is a bit dangerous, because you may loose all your settings before you can save them. of course you can as well use textfile ore arrays, but just for saving ONE state like the initial one you can get along with that, without having to use sssad or memento. On the other hand: sooner or later you will need them ;-) So you can also dive into it from the beginning ;-) Best Luigi If you need an example patch, let me know Am 17.07.2008 um 17:46 schrieb Atte André Jensen: Hi I'm trying to build something generic for performing live with pd and for the most parts, it's going really well. But I need to save the state of everything (a patch with some instances of some abstractions), so that the widgets will preserve their state between sessions. I looked into memento, but couldn't make it do anything useful, not even the manuals/memento/* stuff. Is memento broken and if not, could someone provide a brief example of how to use it. If broken, what other options are there? Thanks in advance for any response. -- peace, love harmony Atte http://atte.dk | http://myspace.com/attejensen http://anagrammer.dk | http://modlys.dk ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list --- Luigi Rensinghoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype:gigischinke ichat:gigicarlo ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] saving state of a patch
Luigi Rensinghoff wrote: But be careful: Message Boxes dont save their state within subpatches so they have to be in the parent patch. And actually when PD crashes a and then be also careful with the wording: subpatches (that's the [pd] objects!) are part of their parent patch aand therefore are saved as well when the parent patch is saved what you meant here is abstractions that will _not_ be saved when the containing patch is saved (which is good; just think of what happens when you have 2 instances of the same abstraction...) fgmasdr IOhannes ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] saving state of a patch
Atte André Jensen wrote: At the end of the day, what would be the best bet, state, pool, memento or pdmtl? I should note that what I'm trying to do is work out some abstractions for live electronica, and now I need a way to save piece1.pd and another_piece.pd which contains one or more instances of one or more of my abstractions, complete with gui settings and all. If I could just press save all this, so everything I loaded in this patch is exactly the same when I open it again I'd be sooo happy :-) sssad, bag of tricks and netpd are worth mentioning here too. i only know little about bag of tricks but its state saving approach is based on a message box per gop that allows you to save the state of the abstractions with your patch. you should have a look at netpd level 3 (in netpd/tutorials), where all parameters can be saved and loaded in a preset file. basically something like that: [symbol savename( | | [symbol loadname( || [netpd-x mypatchname] on top of that i wrote a little abstraction (pad) that handles these save-load-names for you and allows inter-patch-communication, so save-all does work. [pad mypatchname] | \ [netpd-x mypatchname] in a 2 approach there is one additional preset-manager (P-Admin) that talks to all (pads) and collects data and writes it to a single file. (instead of 1 preset per patch). the format here (unlike netpd native .pst format) is patchname parametername and-whatever-number-list-or-array-you-have-here but once you are here you think about more... - howto morph between presets - howto reuse some data from abstractions (effects, envelopes, seqs) in other instances (osc?!) - howto load presets without clicks (i.e. load data into a table or dynamically create effects) as i said, i think it's worth looking at the 3 approaches sssad, bot, netpd too hope that helps or inspires. eni ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] saving state of a patch
Frank Barknecht wrote: Then I would recommend [sssad]. It's the most simple of them all and doesn't need any externals. (Note that it's missing from pd-extended's autobuilds currently for reasons I don't understand.) Ok, thanks for all the advice, I'll look at sssad, then. First problem: It seems it's there, but broken (is it my that's broken?): /usr/lib/pd/extra/sssad /usr/lib/pd/extra/sssad/sssad.pd /usr/lib/pd/extra/sssad/sssad-help.pd /usr/lib/pd/extra/sssad/_sssad /usr/lib/pd/extra/sssad/_sssad/singleton-help.pd /usr/lib/pd/extra/sssad/_sssad/sssad-persistence.pd /usr/lib/pd/extra/sssad/_sssad/singleton.pd /usr/lib/pd/extra/sssad/_sssad/list_argument.pd /usr/lib/pd/extra/sssad/sssad-example.pd /usr/lib/pd/extra/sssad/sssad-meta.pd /usr/lib/pd/extra/sssad/sssliders.pd but creating a single [sssad] object gives: libdir_loader: added 'sssad' to the canvas-local objectclass path ... ... libdir_loader: added 'sssad' to the canvas-local objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'sssad' to the canvas-local objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'sssad' to the canvas-local objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'sssad' to the canvas-local objectclass path error: maximum object loading depth 1000 reached sssad ... couldn't create However google suggested that I should create [sssad/sssad], and that worked. Unfortunately right-clicking-help totally freezes up my system (something that never happens). What's up with that? Is that just a single bug (so don't click here) or a symptom of something bad? Should I try to rescue what's there (and if so, what to do) or abandon it and install just sssad anew (and if so how/from where). Additional question: I never saw the slash in objects (like in [sssad/ssad]) before, it that some kind of namespace thing? Where can I read more on that, including pros/cons and recommended ways/conventions? -- peace, love harmony Atte http://atte.dk | http://myspace.com/attejensen http://anagrammer.dk | http://modlys.dk ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] saving state of a patch
Am 21.07.2008 um 20:16 schrieb Atte André Jensen: Frank Barknecht wrote: Then I would recommend [sssad]. It's the most simple of them all and doesn't need any externals. (Note that it's missing from pd- extended's autobuilds currently for reasons I don't understand.) Ok, thanks for all the advice, I'll look at sssad, then. First problem: It seems it's there, but broken (is it my that's broken?): /usr/lib/pd/extra/sssad /usr/lib/pd/extra/sssad/sssad.pd /usr/lib/pd/extra/sssad/sssad-help.pd /usr/lib/pd/extra/sssad/_sssad /usr/lib/pd/extra/sssad/_sssad/singleton-help.pd /usr/lib/pd/extra/sssad/_sssad/sssad-persistence.pd /usr/lib/pd/extra/sssad/_sssad/singleton.pd /usr/lib/pd/extra/sssad/_sssad/list_argument.pd /usr/lib/pd/extra/sssad/sssad-example.pd /usr/lib/pd/extra/sssad/sssad-meta.pd /usr/lib/pd/extra/sssad/sssliders.pd but creating a single [sssad] object gives: libdir_loader: added 'sssad' to the canvas-local objectclass path ... ... libdir_loader: added 'sssad' to the canvas-local objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'sssad' to the canvas-local objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'sssad' to the canvas-local objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'sssad' to the canvas-local objectclass path error: maximum object loading depth 1000 reached sssad ... couldn't create However google suggested that I should create [sssad/sssad], and that worked. Unfortunately right-clicking-help totally freezes up my system (something that never happens). What's up with that? Is that just a single bug (so don't click here) or a symptom of something bad? Did i have tat onc, too ?? because of prepend - list prepend ?? I am not sure Should I try to rescue what's there (and if so, what to do) or abandon it and install just sssad anew (and if so how/from where). Additional question: I never saw the slash in objects (like in [sssad/ssad]) before, it that some kind of namespace thing? Where can I read more on that, including pros/cons and recommended ways/ conventions? Its all in the mailing list archives ;-) One favourite subject, i guess... -- peace, love harmony Atte http://atte.dk | http://myspace.com/attejensen http://anagrammer.dk | http://modlys.dk ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list --- Luigi Rensinghoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype:gigischinke ichat:gigicarlo ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] saving state of a patch
Luigi Rensinghoff wrote: Am 21.07.2008 um 20:16 schrieb Atte André Jensen: Unfortunately right-clicking-help totally freezes up my system (something that never happens). What's up with that? Is that just a single bug (so don't click here) or a symptom of something bad? Did i have tat onc, too ?? because of prepend - list prepend ?? I am not sure I don't think I understand... Should I try to rescue what's there (and if so, what to do) or abandon it and install just sssad anew (and if so how/from where). Additional question: I never saw the slash in objects (like in [sssad/ssad]) before, it that some kind of namespace thing? Where can I read more on that, including pros/cons and recommended ways/conventions? Its all in the mailing list archives ;-) One favourite subject, i guess... I'll see if I can dig some pieces out. I was more thinking of the big picture in one sentence... -- peace, love harmony Atte http://atte.dk | http://myspace.com/attejensen http://anagrammer.dk | http://modlys.dk ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] saving state of a patch
Hallo, Atte André Jensen hat gesagt: // Atte André Jensen wrote: Ok, thanks for all the advice, I'll look at sssad, then. First problem: It seems it's there, but broken (is it my that's broken?): Pd-extended is broken in that it cannot load abstractions that are in directories which have the same name as the abstraction. At least that's how I understand the problem. Users of upstream Pd like me aren't affected. However google suggested that I should create [sssad/sssad], Don't believe google: the official name for [sssad] is [sssad]. But see below. and that worked. Unfortunately right-clicking-help totally freezes up my system (something that never happens). What's up with that? Is that just a single bug (so don't click here) or a symptom of something bad? Maybe it's the same issue of pd-extended that makes it fail to load [sssad]? I have no idea. Additional question: I never saw the slash in objects (like in [sssad/ssad]) before, it that some kind of namespace thing? Where can I read more on that, including pros/cons and recommended ways/conventions? Can of worms here, you may want to read up in the archives. Basically it's like this: If your -path setting points to somedir and there is a directory test in it like somedir/test, then you can load an abstration myabs.pd in test like this: [test/myabs] This use of directory prefixes as a primitive namespace replacement is tricky, however. For one, you also have to set the -helppath to somedir, if you want to let Pd find the test/myabs-help.pd file in. This helpfile next to myabs.pd can use [myabs] directly, without prefix. But if you put the helpfile somewhere else, say into /doc/5.reference, then it won't find [myabs] without directory prefix anymore, so it has to use [test/myabs]. But if it uses [test/myabs] it won't work anymore if you copy myabs.pd and myabs-help.pd directly into your -path or into some other directory with a different name than test! Directory prefixes can make things messy, if you want to just copy abstractions around, e.g. to make self-contained packages or use project directories with everthing included. Pd-extended installs sssad.pd into extra/sssad/sssad.pd and as extra is in your pd-path, you can create [sssad/sssad] in pd-extended as well as [sssad] - or you used to until something broke. I was never fond of the additional and redundant sssad/sssad, but I'm all for freedom of choice so people may do whatever they like. But the official name as far as I'm concerned is [sssad]. As a workaround you can move the content of extra/sssad into the extra directory or another directory of your Pd-path. E.g. if you have a checkout of the Pd subversion trunk in PDSVN, you can use this in your .pdrc: -path PDSVN/trunk/abstractions/footils/sssad/ to always load the trunk version of sssad. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org__ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] saving state of a patch
Frank Barknecht wrote: Pd-extended is broken in that it cannot load abstractions that are in directories which have the same name as the abstraction. At least that's how I understand the problem. Users of upstream Pd like me aren't affected. I see. I found this has been has been discussed very recently, and I read the thread, and feel somewhat enlightend. Maybe it's the same issue of pd-extended that makes it fail to load [sssad]? I have no idea. After moving sssad* to extra (see below) sssad-help.pd also works. Seems to be related... Additional question: I never saw the slash in objects (like in [sssad/ssad]) before, it that some kind of namespace thing? Where can I read more on that, including pros/cons and recommended ways/conventions? Can of worms here, you may want to read up in the archives. Thanks for the heads up! As a workaround you can move the content of extra/sssad into the extra directory or another directory of your Pd-path. Ok, that seems to work. I can even make sssad-example.pd load/restore form file. That's great, now I have something working and play with that and see where it takes me. -- peace, love harmony Atte http://atte.dk | http://myspace.com/attejensen http://anagrammer.dk | http://modlys.dk ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] saving state of a patch
Hi Atte, Now that you're on your way with sssad, there's a nice trick you should know. If you find that loading a preset causes dropouts, consider using a ram disk to hold your presets during performance. This solved all my dropout problems, and it's easy to do (I can post a script for OS X if anyone wants it). Phil Atte André Jensen wrote: Frank Barknecht wrote: Pd-extended is broken in that it cannot load abstractions that are in directories which have the same name as the abstraction. At least that's how I understand the problem. Users of upstream Pd like me aren't affected. I see. I found this has been has been discussed very recently, and I read the thread, and feel somewhat enlightend. Maybe it's the same issue of pd-extended that makes it fail to load [sssad]? I have no idea. After moving sssad* to extra (see below) sssad-help.pd also works. Seems to be related... Additional question: I never saw the slash in objects (like in [sssad/ssad]) before, it that some kind of namespace thing? Where can I read more on that, including pros/cons and recommended ways/conventions? Can of worms here, you may want to read up in the archives. Thanks for the heads up! As a workaround you can move the content of extra/sssad into the extra directory or another directory of your Pd-path. Ok, that seems to work. I can even make sssad-example.pd load/restore form file. That's great, now I have something working and play with that and see where it takes me. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] saving state of a patch
Phil Stone wrote: Now that you're on your way with sssad, there's a nice trick you should know. If you find that loading a preset causes dropouts, consider using a ram disk to hold your presets during performance. This solved all my dropout problems, and it's easy to do (I can post a script for OS X if anyone wants it). Thanks for the tip, sounds like something I would have to struggle with at some point. I think I can figure out how to set it up with a ram disk, but we'll see about that :-) -- peace, love harmony Atte http://atte.dk | http://myspace.com/attejensen http://anagrammer.dk | http://modlys.dk ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] saving state of a patch
Sorry to chime in a bit late: On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 10:11:23PM +0200, Atte André Jensen wrote: As a workaround you can move the content of extra/sssad into the extra directory or another directory of your Pd-path. Ok, that seems to work. I can even make sssad-example.pd load/restore form file. That's great, now I have something working and play with that and see where it takes me. Contrary to Frank, I like to keep sssad in a directory so I can have a bunch of helper abstractions such as [sssad/auto] and [sssad/datastore]. The latter allows you to store all presets in-patch so you don't have to load and save from files, which is how i roll. Here's a helper post on how I use sssad like this: http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2006-12/045289.html Also, someone commented that there is no way to store 'banks' of different presets with sssad. That is actually not true, and if you look through the archives you can see an example patch where Frank has done this. Infact, maybe it wasn't Frank, I think this could be the post: http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2007-04/049452.html? Thanks again to Frank for making the sssad so happy! Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] saving state of a patch
Hi I'm trying to build something generic for performing live with pd and for the most parts, it's going really well. But I need to save the state of everything (a patch with some instances of some abstractions), so that the widgets will preserve their state between sessions. I looked into memento, but couldn't make it do anything useful, not even the manuals/memento/* stuff. Is memento broken and if not, could someone provide a brief example of how to use it. If broken, what other options are there? Thanks in advance for any response. -- peace, love harmony Atte http://atte.dk | http://myspace.com/attejensen http://anagrammer.dk | http://modlys.dk ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] saving state of a patch
Hi Atte The best way to start using memento is to get a patch that works, copy and paste the guts into your own and adapt. That is, providing that memento works at all on your system. There is a guide on footils.org that should get you started with the ideas behind the system. It works fine for me (I don't have pd handy right now so I cannot offer any specific pointers). An alternative is apparently part of the pdmtl abstractions http://wiki.dataflow.ws/PdMtlAbstractions I saw a presentation on if bu have not yet tried it. It is, arguably, simpler to adopt than memento. On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Atte André Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I'm trying to build something generic for performing live with pd and for the most parts, it's going really well. But I need to save the state of everything (a patch with some instances of some abstractions), so that the widgets will preserve their state between sessions. I looked into memento, but couldn't make it do anything useful, not even the manuals/memento/* stuff. Is memento broken and if not, could someone provide a brief example of how to use it. If broken, what other options are there? Thanks in advance for any response. -- peace, love harmony Atte http://atte.dk | http://myspace.com/attejensen http://anagrammer.dk | http://modlys.dk ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- ./MiS 514-344-0726 http://www.creazone.ca ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
