Re: [PD] pd-extended-0.43.1 win32
On May 14, 2011, at 2:34 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Fri, 13 May 2011, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: You might want to swap in a version of the 'vanilla' lib that has been optimized for SSE3 that gives you much, much faster audio, for example. Does that exist ? AFAIR this is still only available in devel_0_39. You just pointed to where it exists. It should be quite easy to make it into a separate library. Also, there is ARM NEON optimizations for Pd out there, some of which might still be proprietary rjdj code. .hc News is what people want to keep hidden and everything else is publicity. - Bill Moyers ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-extended-0.43.1 win32
On Fri, 13 May 2011, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: You might want to swap in a version of the 'vanilla' lib that has been optimized for SSE3 that gives you much, much faster audio, for example. Does that exist ? AFAIR this is still only available in devel_0_39. ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-extended-0.43.1 win32
Thanks for posting that, patko. Those 'pd -lib' steps should happen automatically in newer builds... once they work again. .hc On May 13, 2011, at 1:25 PM, Patrice Colet wrote: if you want pd-extended working you have to follow those steps: get 2011-04-30 win32 release of pd-extended install launch cmd, the dos console cd "C:\Program Files (x86)\pd\bin" replace "Program Files (x86)" with folder where it has been installed start pd with the following command: pd -lib libdir -lib vanilla/list -lib vanilla and for saving those options go to File menu --> preferences --> audio settings and clic on Save all settings thats all so simple isn't it? - "João Pais" a écrit : this also happens on windows XP. I tried to go back the release days to see the last good one, but after too much pd-installing I quit. hello, the latest build doesn't start, some changes in 0.43.1 seems to brake everything, I have to terminate pd from task manager, this happens on windows vista, I haven't tried to build this release yet. the 2011-04-30 release is still 0.43.0 and working good. -- Friedenstr. 58 10249 Berlin (Deutschland) Tel +49 30 42020091 | Mob +49 162 6843570 Studio +49 30 69509190 jmmmp...@googlemail.com | skype: jmmmpjmmmp -- Patrice Colet ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list All mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man dies, one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better language; and every chapter must be so translated -John Donne ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-extended-0.43.1 win32
if you want pd-extended working you have to follow those steps: get 2011-04-30 win32 release of pd-extended install launch cmd, the dos console cd "C:\Program Files (x86)\pd\bin" replace "Program Files (x86)" with folder where it has been installed start pd with the following command: pd -lib libdir -lib vanilla/list -lib vanilla and for saving those options go to File menu --> preferences --> audio settings and clic on Save all settings thats all so simple isn't it? - "João Pais" a écrit : > this also happens on windows XP. I tried to go back the release days > to > see the last good one, but after too much pd-installing I quit. > > > hello, > > the latest build doesn't start, some changes in 0.43.1 seems to > brake > > everything, > > I have to terminate pd from task manager, > > this happens on windows vista, I haven't tried to build this release > yet. > > the 2011-04-30 release is still 0.43.0 and working good. > > > > > -- > Friedenstr. 58 > 10249 Berlin (Deutschland) > Tel +49 30 42020091 | Mob +49 162 6843570 > Studio +49 30 69509190 > jmmmp...@googlemail.com | skype: jmmmpjmmmp -- Patrice Colet ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-extended-0.43.1 win32
You might want to swap in a version of the 'vanilla' lib that has been optimized for SSE3 that gives you much, much faster audio, for example. Or you might want to work on a patch that needs to be compatible with 0.42 but use all the nice, new editing features. Then you could instead load 'vanilla-0.42' Yes, this is adding complexity, but by the time its ready for release, it should be transparent to everyone unless they want to know. Also, in one sense, it is making it simpler since there will be only one mechanism for loading libraries rather than built-in, 'extra', and externals. .hc On May 13, 2011, at 9:51 AM, Derek Holzer wrote: And this is because you might want to use Pd without using any of the objects? One gets the feeling things have become unnecessarily complex... D. On 5/13/11 3:15 PM, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: pd-extended removed all objects from Pd-core, so you have to load the "stdlib" explicitely (forgot it's exact name but you should find it in the list archives or wait till hans replies to this email) ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list "We have nothing to fear from love and commitment." - New York Senator Diane Savino, trying to convince the NY Senate to pass a gay marriage bill ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-extended-0.43.1 win32
On May 13, 2011, at 10:09 AM, Martin Peach wrote:
On 2011-05-13 09:15, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:
pd-extended removed all objects from Pd-core, so you have to load the
"stdlib" explicitely (forgot it's exact name but you should find it
in
the list archives or wait till hans replies to this email)
Yes it's called "vanilla" and it has to be loaded after "loaders", I
seem to remember. I had it working a few weeks back after loading
vanilla, but the last Windows version I tried didn't even show a Pd
console. There is no indication that Pd is running except through
the Task Manager (ctrl-alt-delete), which is needed to kill it.
I ran the build from the cmd.exe using "pd -noprefs -verbose -stderr -
d 3 -noaudio" and got this. This is strange, I don't quite get it, it
just stops:
http://pastebin.com/5Xjk4fA5
C:\msys\1.0\home\pd\auto-build\pd-extended\packages\win32_inno\build
\bin>pd -noprefs -verbose -stderr -d 3 -noaudio
set pd_whichmidiapi 3
Pd-0.43.1 ("extended-20110513") compiled 03:33:55 May 13 2011
port 5401
Waiting for connection request...
... connected
set ::tmp_path {}
set ::sys_searchpath $::tmp_path
set ::tmp_path {}
lappend ::tmp_path {C:/Program Files/Common Files/Pd}
lappend ::tmp_path {C:/Documents and Settings/pd/Application Data/Pd}
lappend ::tmp_path {C:/msys/1.0/home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/
packages/win32_inno/bu
ild/extra}
set ::sys_staticpath $::tmp_path
set ::startup_flags {}
set ::startup_libraries {}
pdtk_pd_startup 0 43 1 {extended-20110513} { {"standard (MMIO)" 3}
{"ASIO (via portau
dio)" 4} } {} {DejaVu Sans Mono} normal
set pd_whichmidiapi 3
input channels = 0, output channels = 0
.hc
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Re: [PD] pd-extended-0.43.1 win32
On May 13, 2011, at 9:20 AM, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/13/2011 10:21 AM, Patrice Colet wrote: 2° why using -DMSW flag while _WIN32 definition works without adding it in CFLAGS? because it has been like that forever, it was unclear at some point that there are indeed automatic defines on w32 (esp. on M$VC) and because "win" suggests superiority where there is none. MSW has been replaced in some places by _WIN32, but since MSW get's (manually) defined for building on w32 anyhow, there is no real advantage in using one over the other, There is definitely a real advantage to using the automatic ones. It means that the source files are not dependent on a particular build system. When porting Pd to Android, which then led to the libpd effort, we had to spend a lot of time dealing with the places where automatic defines were not used. Every time someone uses libpd embedded in a new environment, like Xcode, Eclipse, ant, etc., they have to revisit that pain. Please stop using MSW and NT. .hc You can't steal a gift. Bird gave the world his music, and if you can hear it, you can have it. - Dizzy Gillespie ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-extended-0.43.1 win32
On May 13, 2011, at 5:28 AM, Charles Goyard wrote: Patrice Colet wrote: why using -DMSW flag while _WIN32 definition works without adding it in CFLAGS? Maybe for 64 bits platforms or a future change ? Just an thought, I don't have windows. The funny thing is that 64-bit Windows platforms also respect/define _WIN32 for backwards compatibility, _WIN64 is 64-bit only: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa384137(v=vs.85).aspx http://jpassing.com/2011/05/02/ifdef-_win32/ .hc All mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man dies, one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better language; and every chapter must be so translated -John Donne ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-extended-0.43.1 win32
On May 13, 2011, at 4:21 AM, Patrice Colet wrote: ok, thank you for paying attention, I'm trying now to build trunk on mingw, and I have some questions to ask about that: 1° how pd-extended is built on win32? Here's the setup: http://puredata.info/docs/developer/WindowsMinGW Here's the process: http://puredata.info/docs/developer/AutoBuildProcess 2° why using -DMSW flag while _WIN32 definition works without adding it in CFLAGS? _WIN32 is defined by the compiler. MinGW gcc, MSVC, Borland, etc define it. Just like __linux__ and __APPLE__ on those platforms. Cygwin gcc does not define _WIN32 because Cygwin is not a Win32 platform, but much closer to GNU/Linux. All of the MSW and NT macros should be replaced by _WIN32. .hc I'm replacing all lines #define MSW with #define _WIN32 in all files from pd/src - "João Pais" a écrit : this also happens on windows XP. I tried to go back the release days to see the last good one, but after too much pd-installing I quit. hello, the latest build doesn't start, some changes in 0.43.1 seems to brake everything, I have to terminate pd from task manager, this happens on windows vista, I haven't tried to build this release yet. the 2011-04-30 release is still 0.43.0 and working good. -- Friedenstr. 58 10249 Berlin (Deutschland) Tel +49 30 42020091 | Mob +49 162 6843570 Studio +49 30 69509190 jmmmp...@googlemail.com | skype: jmmmpjmmmp -- Patrice Colet Computer science is no more related to the computer than astronomy is related to the telescope. -Edsger Dykstra ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-extended-0.43.1 win32
On 2011-05-13 09:15, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: pd-extended removed all objects from Pd-core, so you have to load the "stdlib" explicitely (forgot it's exact name but you should find it in the list archives or wait till hans replies to this email) Yes it's called "vanilla" and it has to be loaded after "loaders", I seem to remember. I had it working a few weeks back after loading vanilla, but the last Windows version I tried didn't even show a Pd console. There is no indication that Pd is running except through the Task Manager (ctrl-alt-delete), which is needed to kill it. Martin ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-extended-0.43.1 win32
And this is because you might want to use Pd without using any of the objects? One gets the feeling things have become unnecessarily complex... D. On 5/13/11 3:15 PM, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: pd-extended removed all objects from Pd-core, so you have to load the "stdlib" explicitely (forgot it's exact name but you should find it in the list archives or wait till hans replies to this email) ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-extended-0.43.1 win32
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/13/2011 08:54 AM, Patrice Colet wrote: > > >> >> oopse, all iem gui are broken in 0.43.0 release. >> > > dac~ > ... couldn't create > > anyone has tried 0.43 on windows?^^ > pd-extended removed all objects from Pd-core, so you have to load the "stdlib" explicitely (forgot it's exact name but you should find it in the list archives or wait till hans replies to this email) fgmasdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk3NLwUACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvShUACgnylQVPItWkhmCucHVFM7FW6g 1VcAoI3q6fKflrLN/+pg5uLbtRFT1GrZ =K4KN -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-extended-0.43.1 win32
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/13/2011 10:21 AM, Patrice Colet wrote: > 2° why using -DMSW flag while _WIN32 definition works without adding it in > CFLAGS? because it has been like that forever, it was unclear at some point that there are indeed automatic defines on w32 (esp. on M$VC) and because "win" suggests superiority where there is none. MSW has been replaced in some places by _WIN32, but since MSW get's (manually) defined for building on w32 anyhow, there is no real advantage in using one over the other, fgmasrd IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk3NMCcACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvSSQQCg2+JzmbgkqWlAj/I392Ho47+v UIMAn0hGTEdGgNfcpfuS2irYw5ISol3T =QF4Y -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-extended-0.43.1 win32
Patrice Colet wrote: > why using -DMSW flag while _WIN32 definition works without adding it in > CFLAGS? Maybe for 64 bits platforms or a future change ? Just an thought, I don't have windows. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-extended-0.43.1 win32
ok, thank you for paying attention, I'm trying now to build trunk on mingw, and I have some questions to ask about that: 1° how pd-extended is built on win32? 2° why using -DMSW flag while _WIN32 definition works without adding it in CFLAGS? I'm replacing all lines #define MSW with #define _WIN32 in all files from pd/src - "João Pais" a écrit : > this also happens on windows XP. I tried to go back the release days > to > see the last good one, but after too much pd-installing I quit. > > > hello, > > the latest build doesn't start, some changes in 0.43.1 seems to > brake > > everything, > > I have to terminate pd from task manager, > > this happens on windows vista, I haven't tried to build this release > yet. > > the 2011-04-30 release is still 0.43.0 and working good. > > > > > -- > Friedenstr. 58 > 10249 Berlin (Deutschland) > Tel +49 30 42020091 | Mob +49 162 6843570 > Studio +49 30 69509190 > jmmmp...@googlemail.com | skype: jmmmpjmmmp -- Patrice Colet ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-extended-0.43.1 win32
this also happens on windows XP. I tried to go back the release days to see the last good one, but after too much pd-installing I quit. hello, the latest build doesn't start, some changes in 0.43.1 seems to brake everything, I have to terminate pd from task manager, this happens on windows vista, I haven't tried to build this release yet. the 2011-04-30 release is still 0.43.0 and working good. -- Friedenstr. 58 10249 Berlin (Deutschland) Tel +49 30 42020091 | Mob +49 162 6843570 Studio +49 30 69509190 jmmmp...@googlemail.com | skype: jmmmpjmmmp ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-extended-0.43.1 win32
> > oopse, all iem gui are broken in 0.43.0 release. > dac~ ... couldn't create anyone has tried 0.43 on windows?^^ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-extended-0.43.1 win32
- "Patrice Colet" a écrit : > the 2011-04-30 release is still 0.43.0 and working good. > oopse, all iem gui are broken in 0.43.0 release. -- Patrice Colet ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
