Re: [PD] can signal inlets that aren't the main inlet have float or message methods?

[Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list]

Actually after looking deeper I have no clue.  It looks like cyclone has 
some helper functions to set a separate float method for the leftmost signal 
inlet.  If you can figure out how it works perhaps you can try doing the same 
for a secondary inlet.
-Jonathan
  

On Monday, March 28, 2016 11:59 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres 
 wrote:
 

 2016-03-28 17:35 GMT-03:00 Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list :

after skimming it I don't see any sensible way to achieve what you want.  

Just to be clear, do you mean you can't see any way, or that you may see some 
possible hacks that might be very clumsy and might not work well and be kind of 
non sensible tasks?
> it's not like the method space is the only discrepancy.
In fact, the object already sets this method via a message in the first inlet, 
and this was working already in the last release, although the documentation 
was wrong, saying it had a "buffsize" method, when it is actually "bufsize". At 
first I thought the object was bugged, but the documentation was.

So we already have that implemented and it is fine. We've been working on it 
for a great deal now, and the only discrepancy left is this feature. It'd be 
good to make it 100% compatible, and it is really convenient to use this 
feature by the way - as we always have to tweak with this parameter when using 
scope~ 
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Re: [PD] can signal inlets that aren't the main inlet have float or message methods?

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

2016-03-28 17:35 GMT-03:00 Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list :

> after skimming it I don't see any sensible way to achieve what you want.
>

Just to be clear, do you mean you can't see any way, or that you may see
some possible hacks that might be very clumsy and might not work well and
be kind of non sensible tasks?

> it's not like the method space is the only discrepancy.

In fact, the object already sets this method via a message in the first
inlet, and this was working already in the last release, although the
documentation was wrong, saying it had a "buffsize" method, when it is
actually "bufsize". At first I thought the object was bugged, but the
documentation was.

So we already have that implemented and it is fine. We've been working on
it for a great deal now, and the only discrepancy left is this feature.
It'd be good to make it 100% compatible, and it is really convenient to use
this feature by the way - as we always have to tweak with this parameter
when using scope~

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Re: [PD] garbled list digests?

[Dan Wilcox]

I think I might have found the issue: something to do with the Mac Mail.app 
Junk filter stripping MIME info -> 
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/629117?db=5 


Turning it off *may* solve the digest attachments getting screwed up. I’ll wait 
and see :)
 

Dan Wilcox
@danomatika 
danomatika.com 
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Re: [PD] garbled list digests?

[Dan Wilcox]

No offense, but I’m asking the list to see if Mailman is misconfigured or if 
there’s a setting I’m missing and not for suggestions on digest alternatives. I 
prefer to host as *few* websites and email address anyway.

Again, the digests work fine 90% of the time. The other 10% end up being hard 
to read for Mail.


Dan Wilcox
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> On Mar 28, 2016, at 9:12 PM, Max  wrote:
> 
> What about using a separate mail account for the list (you already have
> two domain names in your footer) and then making a folder in your
> mail.app where a filter automatically moves the [PD] messages into? IMHO
> much easier and cleaner than using the digest. Set the folder to
> threaded view in mail.app and it's really nice to navigate to every
> single message and completely separated from your personal mail.
> 
> 
> On 2016년 03월 28일 07:55, Dan Wilcox wrote:
>> Oh I know. I try not to by copying/pasting the subject line but
>> sometimes I forget. I prefer digests because I don’t want a flood of
>> messages … aka the point of digests.
>> 

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Re: [PD] garbled list digests?

[Max]

What about using a separate mail account for the list (you already have
two domain names in your footer) and then making a folder in your
mail.app where a filter automatically moves the [PD] messages into? IMHO
much easier and cleaner than using the digest. Set the folder to
threaded view in mail.app and it's really nice to navigate to every
single message and completely separated from your personal mail.


On 2016년 03월 28일 07:55, Dan Wilcox wrote:
> Oh I know. I try not to by copying/pasting the subject line but
> sometimes I forget. I prefer digests because I don’t want a flood of
> messages … aka the point of digests.
> 

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Re: [PD] garbled list digests?

[Derek Kwan]

Hello Dan,

I get plaintext digests and I haven't noticed any inconsistencies,
although I admit I haven't paid too close attention to the formatting.
Perhaps that's an option? Although you do miss out on the benefits of
MIME...

Derek
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Re: [PD] can signal inlets that aren't the main inlet have float or message methods?

[Derek Kwan]

Thanks, John, I'll take a look myself and yeah, I'm not super-optimistic
either. There are calls to class_addcreator for "scope~" and
"cyclone/scope~" but yeah, "Scope~" is a weird one...

Derek

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Re: [PD] know if audio is in patch?

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

well, found a way

2016-03-28 20:27 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Torres Porres :

> subject should have been "know if audio is on/off in patch?"
>
> :P
>
> 2016-03-28 20:25 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Torres Porres :
>
>> hi, how can you know when you load a patch if the audio is on or off in
>> vanilla? can you do it in extended via some external?
>>
>> thanks
>>
>
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Re: [PD] know if audio is in patch?

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

subject should have been "know if audio is on/off in patch?"

:P

2016-03-28 20:25 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Torres Porres :

> hi, how can you know when you load a patch if the audio is on or off in
> vanilla? can you do it in extended via some external?
>
> thanks
>
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[PD] know if audio is in patch?

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

hi, how can you know when you load a patch if the audio is on or off in
vanilla? can you do it in extended via some external?

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Re: [PD] can signal inlets that aren't the main inlet have float or message methods?

[Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list]

Hi Derek,Have a look at the inlet_new code in m_obj.c. But after skimming it I 
don't see 
any sensible way to achieve what you want.  I'd suggest just using the 
left-most 
inlet with a sensible method name.
"Scope~" already has a capital "S" in the name for no _good_ reason, so it's 
not like the method space is the only discrepancy.

-Jonathan



On Monday, March 28, 2016 3:06 PM, IOhannes m zmölnig  
wrote:
 

 On 03/28/2016 01:27 AM, Derek Kwan wrote:
>> Are you really sure you want that? These days most Pd-users expect an 
>> implicit float-to-signal conversion. This might lead to unexpected (though 
>> well-defined) behaviour of your objects.
>> My advice is to not try hard to break the expectancy of your users.
> 
> Hello,
> 
> In normal circumstances, I'd be in 100% agreement with you, the user
> experience should be consistent throughout the entirety of PD. But in
> this situation I'm doing work for cyclone, [...]

yes, sorry.

i only realized that this was about a max/msp compat object after i sent
the email (and being virtually offline with only a mobile phone to type
emails, i decided to not amend my post)

mfdsar
IOhannes

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Re: [PD] where's extended?

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

2016-03-28 16:04 GMT-03:00 IOhannes m zmölnig :

> On 03/28/2016 05:29 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
> > well, it's not here anymore: http://puredata.info/downloads
> >
> > I know it's a dead project, but why not keep the link to it? Lots of
> people
> > still use it.
>
> it is all still there.
> it is just not "featured" any more.
>

I see now that if you "Show all 16 projects in this category…
" you can find
extended in distributions, so yeah...  it is still there

but anyway, while we're at it, seems like a good idea to edit

http://puredata.info/downloads/pd-extended

and say it is unmaintained

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[PD] utf-8 symbols in OS X

[Roman Haefeli]

Hey all

I was trying out a patch on OS X 10.10 with Pd 0.46-7. The patch
contains some cnv objects with labels containing utf-8 geometric shapes
(namely ▶ and ●). The symbols are displayed correctly on Windows and
Linux, but not on OS X. Instead, they show a crossed box (like [X]). 

The same symbols are displayed in OS X' Terminal app or TextEdit app.
Maybe it's an issue with the font in Pd? The problem not only appears in
Pd canvases, but also in the Pd console which uses a different font. The
decoration of the zexy greeter also shows those boxes instead of white
hearts (♡).

Roman

 






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Re: [PD] where's extended?

[IOhannes m zmölnig]

On 03/28/2016 05:29 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
> well, it's not here anymore: http://puredata.info/downloads
> 
> I know it's a dead project, but why not keep the link to it? Lots of people
> still use it.

it is all still there.
it is just not "featured" any more.

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Re: [PD] can signal inlets that aren't the main inlet have float or message methods?

[IOhannes m zmölnig]

On 03/28/2016 01:27 AM, Derek Kwan wrote:
>> Are you really sure you want that? These days most Pd-users expect an 
>> implicit float-to-signal conversion. This might lead to unexpected (though 
>> well-defined) behaviour of your objects.
>> My advice is to not try hard to break the expectancy of your users.
> 
> Hello,
> 
> In normal circumstances, I'd be in 100% agreement with you, the user
> experience should be consistent throughout the entirety of PD. But in
> this situation I'm doing work for cyclone, [...]

yes, sorry.

i only realized that this was about a max/msp compat object after i sent
the email (and being virtually offline with only a mobile phone to type
emails, i decided to not amend my post)

mfdsar
IOhannes



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Re: [PD] where's extended?

[William Huston]

I would also argue leaving it, but labeled something stronger than
"unmaintained".

I struggled getting -extend running on a Raspberry Pi, tons of weird
stability problems. All were resolved with the latest vanilla.

I presume there are many bug fixes and performance enhancements in the
years since the last -extended release.

Still, I think that release is good as a nice collection of externals.


On Monday, March 28, 2016, Christof Ressi  wrote:
> The link can be still found in "Distributions".
http://puredata.info/downloads/by-category/distribution
> I think one could even add the word "unmaintained" to the caption, to
make it 100% clear.
>
> Also, I found that some (or all?) content in "Distributions" is not up to
date, e.g. "libpd" will lead you to an alpha release from 2010 and a dead
project page.
>
>
>
>
>
> Gesendet: Montag, 28. März 2016 um 17:40 Uhr
> Von: "Matt Barber" 
> An: "Alexandre Torres Porres" 
> Cc: "pd-list@lists.iem.at" 
> Betreff: Re: [PD] where's extended?
> Yeah, there's been a minor freakout on the facebook group. Can the link
be added back with a caveat that it's dead, obsolete, never coming back,
and against all that is good and pure (data) to use?
>
> On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 11:29 AM, Alexandre Torres Porres <
por...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> well, it's not here anymore: http://puredata.info/downloads
>>
>> I know it's a dead project, but why not keep the link to it? Lots of
people still use it.
>>
>> cheers
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Re: [PD] where's extended?

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

can also be found on http://puredata.info/

*Pd is free software* and can be downloaded in different versions. The two
principal distributions of Pd
 are:

   - Pd vanilla  (or simply Pd):
   the core of Pure Data, mainly written by Miller Puckette, focusing on audio
   signal and MIDI processing.
   - Pd extended : a version


2016-03-28 15:24 GMT-03:00 Christof Ressi :

> The link can be still found in "Distributions".
> http://puredata.info/downloads/by-category/distribution
> I think one could even add the word "unmaintained" to the caption, to make
> it 100% clear.
>
> Also, I found that some (or all?) content in "Distributions" is not up to
> date, e.g. "libpd" will lead you to an alpha release from 2010 and a dead
> project page.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Gesendet:* Montag, 28. März 2016 um 17:40 Uhr
> *Von:* "Matt Barber" 
> *An:* "Alexandre Torres Porres" 
> *Cc:* "pd-list@lists.iem.at" 
> *Betreff:* Re: [PD] where's extended?
> Yeah, there's been a minor freakout on the facebook group. Can the link be
> added back with a caveat that it's dead, obsolete, never coming back, and
> against all that is good and pure (data) to use?
>
> On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 11:29 AM, Alexandre Torres Porres <
> por...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> well, it's not here anymore: http://puredata.info/downloads
>>
>> I know it's a dead project, but why not keep the link to it? Lots of
>> people still use it.
>>
>> cheers
>>
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Re: [PD] where's extended?

[Christof Ressi]

The link can be still found in "Distributions". http://puredata.info/downloads/by-category/distribution

I think one could even add the word "unmaintained" to the caption, to make it 100% clear.

 

Also, I found that some (or all?) content in "Distributions" is not up to date, e.g. "libpd" will lead you to an alpha release from 2010 and a dead project page.

 

 

 

 

 

Gesendet: Montag, 28. März 2016 um 17:40 Uhr
Von: "Matt Barber" 
An: "Alexandre Torres Porres" 
Cc: "pd-list@lists.iem.at" 
Betreff: Re: [PD] where's extended?



Yeah, there's been a minor freakout on the facebook group. Can the link be added back with a caveat that it's dead, obsolete, never coming back, and against all that is good and pure (data) to use?


 
On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 11:29 AM, Alexandre Torres Porres  wrote:



well, it's not here anymore: http://puredata.info/downloads

 
I know it's a dead project, but why not keep the link to it? Lots of people still use it.
 
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Re: [PD] where's extended?

[Matt Barber]

Yeah, there's been a minor freakout on the facebook group. Can the link be
added back with a caveat that it's dead, obsolete, never coming back, and
against all that is good and pure (data) to use?

On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 11:29 AM, Alexandre Torres Porres 
wrote:

> well, it's not here anymore: http://puredata.info/downloads
>
> I know it's a dead project, but why not keep the link to it? Lots of
> people still use it.
>
> cheers
>
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[PD] where's extended?

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

well, it's not here anymore: http://puredata.info/downloads

I know it's a dead project, but why not keep the link to it? Lots of people
still use it.

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