Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[Lucas Cordiviola]

@IOhannes:


>it seems that i remember dan (or was it miller) pointing to the newly

introduced zoom feature which complicates things a bit more. and dynamic

font managing. and what not. (probably check the archives)

the conclusion for me is: there *are* downsides.

The zoom feature will work with the correct doubles from pdx metrics, this are 
the actual doubles of vanilla:

set font_zoom2_metrics {
12 20
14 26
18 32
20 42
30 50
50 90
}

Does *downside* to you is having a little more white space?

Pdx font metrics wont break vanilla patches.

See:
https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/wiki/Crossplatform-font-metrics-%26-comparisons




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On 2017-07-21 04:50, Lucas Cordiviola wrote:
>
> I don't see any downside on pdx font metrics.
>

it seems that i remember dan (or was it miller) pointing to the newly
introduced zoom feature which complicates things a bit more. and dynamic
font managing. and what not. (probably check the archives)
the conclusion for me is: there *are* downsides.


On 2017-07-21 04:50, Lucas Cordiviola wrote:
> This is a major change to everybody,

certainly not.

gmasdr
IOhannes

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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[Miller Puckette]

I took them out just now :)

M

On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 11:43:54AM +0200, Dan Wilcox wrote:
> 
> > On Jul 20, 2017, at 6:43 PM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote:
> > 
> > 1) the very first time you start up Pd, there's no log level set (and 
> > therefore you don't get any errors).
> 
> This is fixed. When I added log level saving I forget to check the case where 
> it wasn't set (in older files) and that defaulted to a level of 0. Whoops.
> 
> > 3) when I create [midiin] and [sysexin] I get the error 'windows: not 
> > supported' in the console. these objectes used to always work for me. did 
> > you change something? unfortunately I don't have any MIDI equipment right 
> > now to test it.
> 
> 
> FWIW Those are simple prints only for WIN32 in x_midi.c and not the result of 
> some dependency check. If things are working, they can probably be safely 
> removed. The warning about them not working on Windows can also be removed 
> from the midi object help file.
> 
> 
> Dan Wilcox
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[Dan Wilcox]

> On Jul 20, 2017, at 6:43 PM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote:
> 
> 1) the very first time you start up Pd, there's no log level set (and 
> therefore you don't get any errors).

This is fixed. When I added log level saving I forget to check the case where 
it wasn't set (in older files) and that defaulted to a level of 0. Whoops.

> 3) when I create [midiin] and [sysexin] I get the error 'windows: not 
> supported' in the console. these objectes used to always work for me. did you 
> change something? unfortunately I don't have any MIDI equipment right now to 
> test it.


FWIW Those are simple prints only for WIN32 in x_midi.c and not the result of 
some dependency check. If things are working, they can probably be safely 
removed. The warning about them not working on Windows can also be removed from 
the midi object help file.


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[Dan Wilcox]

Testing consensus with DejaVu Sans mono is that normal weight is best across 
platforms for similar rendering. I suppose we'll find out if everyone agrees. 
You can, of course, add -font-weight bold to your startup flags for presenting 
:)

> On Jul 21, 2017, at 10:23 AM, Andy Farnell  wrote:
> 
> Yes! Readability at a distance is really important in class.
> I vote for the heaviest dejavu typeface that will work.


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[Andy Farnell]

Yes! Readability at a distance is really important in class.
I vote for the heaviest dejavu typeface that will work.

Also it only just occured to me to say this, so a feature request 
for some future release; It would be great to make a slightly 
stronger visual distinction between objects and message boxes. 
The indent on the right side of message boxes is often misread 
by students who are tired or sitting at the back.  

cheers,
Andy


On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 02:50:11AM +, Lucas Cordiviola wrote:
> Based on :
> https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/wiki/Crossplatform-font-metrics-%26-comparisons
> 
> 
> I think that dejavu is pretty Ok.
> 
> And pdx font metrics is also Ok. This is a major change to everybody, it 
> looks smaller on all Os, but has benefits, one is that patches render the 
> same on Purr-data/Pd-L2ork.
> 
> I don't see any downside on pdx font metrics.
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> From: Pd-list <pd-list-boun...@lists.iem.at> on behalf of Dan Wilcox 
> <danomat...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 6:49 AM
> To: Miller Puckette
> Cc: Pd-List
> Subject: Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released
> 
> Hah, funny that never occurred to me. I tried all sorts of rounding with the 
> font metrics discovery.
> 
> It does work, but the default Monaco rendering is too thin and the text is 
> not very readable when the font size is 10 or lower.
> 
> However, I just tried with Deja Vu Sans Mono and it looks *great*. I mean, 
> really. I brought the dejavu branch up to date and it's working with the mac 
> build. We can add Windows font support later.
> 
> On Jul 20, 2017, at 7:25 AM, Miller Puckette 
> <m...@ucsd.edu<mailto:m...@ucsd.edu>> wrote:
> 
> Ok... I think I have a workaround that will allow us to ship with
> TCL/TK 8.5 (at last.)
> 
> I've pushed a compiled Mac app and the source to my webpage and
> git-pushed.
> 
> cheers
> Miller
> 
> On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 12:38:44PM -0700, Miller Puckette wrote:
> Sure enough - with TK 8.5, font sizes are no longer integers; the
> "font metrics" command appears to return the next-higher integer
> sizes (thus throwing off box sizes and messing up selecting text within
> boxes).
> 
> I'm not sure what to do - try to adapt Pd to deal with fractional font
> sizes, or find some way to force TK 5 to use integer-sized fonts, or
> just give up and use 8.4 for another cycle...
> 
> Incidentally, 8.4 isn't yet building on my MacOS 10.6... maybe I can just
> include the system-provided one :)
> 
> M
> 
> On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 11:22:35PM +0200, Dan Wilcox wrote:
> I've added  a macOS 32bit 0.48.0-test1 build using the normal (old, included) 
> Tk 8.4 wish: http://docs.danomatika.com/pdbuilds/ 
> <http://docs.danomatika.com/pdbuilds/>
> 
> On Jul 15, 2017, at 11:02 AM, 
> pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at<mailto:pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at> 
> <mailto:pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at> wrote:
> 
> I notice it looks quite differently in Mac OS, like there is a new font, but 
> it still seems it is Monaco. But the font size is smaller and the boxes are 
> thinner and wider. A subpatch will also have an extra space to the right 
> after the text/name of the subpatch.
> 
> You are seeing the retina rendering with a newer Tk, which still has those 
> font issues as the rendered box size does not quite fit the font. I haven't 
> been able to track down a fix yet.
> 
> It's weird, though, as this shouldn't be the default yet and Pd should still 
> be using 8.4 which is pixelated on retina screens but has correct object 
> sizing.
> 
> Miller, how did you build the mac distribution app?
> 
> 
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[IOhannes m zmoelnig]

On 2017-07-21 04:50, Lucas Cordiviola wrote:
> 
> I don't see any downside on pdx font metrics.
> 

it seems that i remember dan (or was it miller) pointing to the newly
introduced zoom feature which complicates things a bit more. and dynamic
font managing. and what not. (probably check the archives)
the conclusion for me is: there *are* downsides.


On 2017-07-21 04:50, Lucas Cordiviola wrote:
> This is a major change to everybody,

certainly not.

gmasdr
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[Lucas Cordiviola]

> 3) when I create [midiin] and [sysexin] I get the error 'windows: not 
> supported' in the console. these objectes used to always work for me. did you 
> change something? unfortunately I don't have any MIDI equipment right now to 
> test it.

[midiin] is working here on 48test2 (w32). I get the “not supported” message 
but it works.



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Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 4:40 PM
To: Miller Puckette
Cc: pd-list@lists.iem.at
Subject: Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

Dear Miller,

thanks for your efforts!

> I didn't realize jack worked on windows...

but you always compiled your windows binaries with jack support ;-)
I can say that JACK + Pd vanilla always worked for me on Windows 7 and it also 
works with your test release Windows binaries!

Now here's some quick feedback from my side:

1) the very first time you start up Pd, there's no log level set (and therefore 
you don't get any errors).

2) thanks for [text insert] and the notify outlet for [text define], works 
well! I also noticed that the text window now shows the name of the text 
buffer, very nice :-)

3) when I create [midiin] and [sysexin] I get the error 'windows: not 
supported' in the console. these objectes used to always work for me. did you 
change something? unfortunately I don't have any MIDI equipment right now to 
test it.

4) [list store] looks very promising for sequencing lists in linear time! the 
appending and prepending mechanism works but the range message is broken.
I think the reason is the 't_symbol *s' in

static void list_store_range(t_list_store *x, t_symbol *s, float f1, float 
f2){...}

which doesn't fit the message prototype.

right now, the index part of the range message ends up in 's' (and gets lost), 
the length ends up in 'f1', and 'f2' (on my system) is initialized to 0. this 
explains why I always get a bang from the left inlet :-).


that's what I noticed at first glance but over the weekend I will go deeper.

Christof





> Gesendet: Montag, 17. Juli 2017 um 20:30 Uhr
> Von: "Miller Puckette" <m...@ucsd.edu>
> An: "IOhannes m zmölnig" <zmoel...@iem.at>
> Cc: pd-list@lists.iem.at
> Betreff: Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released
>
> I didn't realize jack worked on windows... I don't think I can add that to
> 0.48 safely but will try to support it later.  And/or, if anyone else wants to
> try to include it, go for it!  I think it's just compiling in the relevant 
> files
> from portaudio (which might already be in the tarball) and adding some
> compiler flags.
>
> cheers
> Miller
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 08:00:32PM +0200, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:
> > On 07/17/2017 04:24 PM, Max wrote:
> > >
> > > Great work, I really appreciate the more verbose INSTALL.txt.
> > > The autogen.sh process worked flawless, however, I could not get JACK to
> > > work, even with ./configure --enable-jack
> >
> > i'm not sure jack is supported on w32.
> >
> > gdsr
> > IOhannes
> >
>
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[Lucas Cordiviola]

Based on :
https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/wiki/Crossplatform-font-metrics-%26-comparisons


I think that dejavu is pretty Ok.

And pdx font metrics is also Ok. This is a major change to everybody, it looks 
smaller on all Os, but has benefits, one is that patches render the same on 
Purr-data/Pd-L2ork.

I don't see any downside on pdx font metrics.



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From: Pd-list <pd-list-boun...@lists.iem.at> on behalf of Dan Wilcox 
<danomat...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 6:49 AM
To: Miller Puckette
Cc: Pd-List
Subject: Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

Hah, funny that never occurred to me. I tried all sorts of rounding with the 
font metrics discovery.

It does work, but the default Monaco rendering is too thin and the text is not 
very readable when the font size is 10 or lower.

However, I just tried with Deja Vu Sans Mono and it looks *great*. I mean, 
really. I brought the dejavu branch up to date and it's working with the mac 
build. We can add Windows font support later.

On Jul 20, 2017, at 7:25 AM, Miller Puckette 
<m...@ucsd.edu<mailto:m...@ucsd.edu>> wrote:

Ok... I think I have a workaround that will allow us to ship with
TCL/TK 8.5 (at last.)

I've pushed a compiled Mac app and the source to my webpage and
git-pushed.

cheers
Miller

On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 12:38:44PM -0700, Miller Puckette wrote:
Sure enough - with TK 8.5, font sizes are no longer integers; the
"font metrics" command appears to return the next-higher integer
sizes (thus throwing off box sizes and messing up selecting text within
boxes).

I'm not sure what to do - try to adapt Pd to deal with fractional font
sizes, or find some way to force TK 5 to use integer-sized fonts, or
just give up and use 8.4 for another cycle...

Incidentally, 8.4 isn't yet building on my MacOS 10.6... maybe I can just
include the system-provided one :)

M

On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 11:22:35PM +0200, Dan Wilcox wrote:
I've added  a macOS 32bit 0.48.0-test1 build using the normal (old, included) 
Tk 8.4 wish: http://docs.danomatika.com/pdbuilds/ 
<http://docs.danomatika.com/pdbuilds/>

On Jul 15, 2017, at 11:02 AM, 
pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at<mailto:pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at> 
<mailto:pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at> wrote:

I notice it looks quite differently in Mac OS, like there is a new font, but it 
still seems it is Monaco. But the font size is smaller and the boxes are 
thinner and wider. A subpatch will also have an extra space to the right after 
the text/name of the subpatch.

You are seeing the retina rendering with a newer Tk, which still has those font 
issues as the rendered box size does not quite fit the font. I haven't been 
able to track down a fix yet.

It's weird, though, as this shouldn't be the default yet and Pd should still be 
using 8.4 which is pixelated on retina screens but has correct object sizing.

Miller, how did you build the mac distribution app?


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[Christof Ressi]

Dear Miller,

thanks for your efforts!

> I didn't realize jack worked on windows... 

but you always compiled your windows binaries with jack support ;-)
I can say that JACK + Pd vanilla always worked for me on Windows 7 and it also 
works with your test release Windows binaries!

Now here's some quick feedback from my side:

1) the very first time you start up Pd, there's no log level set (and therefore 
you don't get any errors).

2) thanks for [text insert] and the notify outlet for [text define], works 
well! I also noticed that the text window now shows the name of the text 
buffer, very nice :-)

3) when I create [midiin] and [sysexin] I get the error 'windows: not 
supported' in the console. these objectes used to always work for me. did you 
change something? unfortunately I don't have any MIDI equipment right now to 
test it.

4) [list store] looks very promising for sequencing lists in linear time! the 
appending and prepending mechanism works but the range message is broken.
I think the reason is the 't_symbol *s' in

static void list_store_range(t_list_store *x, t_symbol *s, float f1, float 
f2){...}

which doesn't fit the message prototype.

right now, the index part of the range message ends up in 's' (and gets lost), 
the length ends up in 'f1', and 'f2' (on my system) is initialized to 0. this 
explains why I always get a bang from the left inlet :-).


that's what I noticed at first glance but over the weekend I will go deeper.

Christof





> Gesendet: Montag, 17. Juli 2017 um 20:30 Uhr
> Von: "Miller Puckette" <m...@ucsd.edu>
> An: "IOhannes m zmölnig" <zmoel...@iem.at>
> Cc: pd-list@lists.iem.at
> Betreff: Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released
>
> I didn't realize jack worked on windows... I don't think I can add that to
> 0.48 safely but will try to support it later.  And/or, if anyone else wants to
> try to include it, go for it!  I think it's just compiling in the relevant 
> files
> from portaudio (which might already be in the tarball) and adding some
> compiler flags.
> 
> cheers
> Miller
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 08:00:32PM +0200, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:
> > On 07/17/2017 04:24 PM, Max wrote:
> > > 
> > > Great work, I really appreciate the more verbose INSTALL.txt.
> > > The autogen.sh process worked flawless, however, I could not get JACK to
> > > work, even with ./configure --enable-jack
> > 
> > i'm not sure jack is supported on w32.
> > 
> > gdsr
> > IOhannes
> > 
> 
> 
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[Dan Wilcox]

Hah, funny that never occurred to me. I tried all sorts of rounding with the 
font metrics discovery.

It does work, but the default Monaco rendering is too thin and the text is not 
very readable when the font size is 10 or lower.

However, I just tried with Deja Vu Sans Mono and it looks *great*. I mean, 
really. I brought the dejavu branch up to date and it's working with the mac 
build. We can add Windows font support later.

> On Jul 20, 2017, at 7:25 AM, Miller Puckette  wrote:
> 
> Ok... I think I have a workaround that will allow us to ship with
> TCL/TK 8.5 (at last.)
> 
> I've pushed a compiled Mac app and the source to my webpage and
> git-pushed.
> 
> cheers
> Miller
> 
> On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 12:38:44PM -0700, Miller Puckette wrote:
>> Sure enough - with TK 8.5, font sizes are no longer integers; the
>> "font metrics" command appears to return the next-higher integer
>> sizes (thus throwing off box sizes and messing up selecting text within
>> boxes).
>> 
>> I'm not sure what to do - try to adapt Pd to deal with fractional font
>> sizes, or find some way to force TK 5 to use integer-sized fonts, or
>> just give up and use 8.4 for another cycle...
>> 
>> Incidentally, 8.4 isn't yet building on my MacOS 10.6... maybe I can just
>> include the system-provided one :)
>> 
>> M
>> 
>> On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 11:22:35PM +0200, Dan Wilcox wrote:
>>> I've added  a macOS 32bit 0.48.0-test1 build using the normal (old, 
>>> included) Tk 8.4 wish: http://docs.danomatika.com/pdbuilds/ 
>>> 
>>> 
> On Jul 15, 2017, at 11:02 AM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at 
>  wrote:
> 
> I notice it looks quite differently in Mac OS, like there is a new font, 
> but it still seems it is Monaco. But the font size is smaller and the 
> boxes are thinner and wider. A subpatch will also have an extra space to 
> the right after the text/name of the subpatch.
 
 You are seeing the retina rendering with a newer Tk, which still has those 
 font issues as the rendered box size does not quite fit the font. I 
 haven't been able to track down a fix yet.
 
 It's weird, though, as this shouldn't be the default yet and Pd should 
 still be using 8.4 which is pixelated on retina screens but has correct 
 object sizing.
 
 Miller, how did you build the mac distribution app?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dan Wilcox
>>> @danomatika 
>>> danomatika.com 
>>> robotcowboy.com 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[Miller Puckette]

Ok... I think I have a workaround that will allow us to ship with
TCL/TK 8.5 (at last.)

I've pushed a compiled Mac app and the source to my webpage and
git-pushed.

cheers
Miller

On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 12:38:44PM -0700, Miller Puckette wrote:
> Sure enough - with TK 8.5, font sizes are no longer integers; the
> "font metrics" command appears to return the next-higher integer
> sizes (thus throwing off box sizes and messing up selecting text within
> boxes).
> 
> I'm not sure what to do - try to adapt Pd to deal with fractional font
> sizes, or find some way to force TK 5 to use integer-sized fonts, or
> just give up and use 8.4 for another cycle...
> 
> Incidentally, 8.4 isn't yet building on my MacOS 10.6... maybe I can just
> include the system-provided one :)
> 
> M
> 
> On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 11:22:35PM +0200, Dan Wilcox wrote:
> > I've added  a macOS 32bit 0.48.0-test1 build using the normal (old, 
> > included) Tk 8.4 wish: http://docs.danomatika.com/pdbuilds/ 
> > 
> > 
> > >> On Jul 15, 2017, at 11:02 AM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at 
> > >>  wrote:
> > >> 
> > >> I notice it looks quite differently in Mac OS, like there is a new font, 
> > >> but it still seems it is Monaco. But the font size is smaller and the 
> > >> boxes are thinner and wider. A subpatch will also have an extra space to 
> > >> the right after the text/name of the subpatch.
> > > 
> > > You are seeing the retina rendering with a newer Tk, which still has 
> > > those font issues as the rendered box size does not quite fit the font. I 
> > > haven't been able to track down a fix yet.
> > > 
> > > It's weird, though, as this shouldn't be the default yet and Pd should 
> > > still be using 8.4 which is pixelated on retina screens but has correct 
> > > object sizing.
> > > 
> > > Miller, how did you build the mac distribution app?
> > 
> > 
> > Dan Wilcox
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[Roman Haefeli]

On Mit, 2017-07-19 at 00:24 +0200, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:
> On 07/18/2017 11:20 PM, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:
> > i'm currently looking for a fix for this problem.
> 
> i think i might have found one:
> 
>    https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/108
> 
> please test (the issue that gets fixed is only on X11; however,
> please
> also test on OSX to see whether this broke the menu on Darwin) and
> merge.


Looks good for me on X11 (Ubuntu 16.04 amd64). All windows keep their
position after saving/closing and re-loading and also after 'vis
0'/'vis 1'. Also, on macOS 10.11 (el capitan) there seem no window
position issue, so no regression there. 

Whether there are regression regarding the menu on macOS, I wasn't able
to spot any, but also didn't know what to specifically look for. New
preferences dialogs work fine, I was able to save and load preferences.

Thanks a lot for having again a look at this, IOhannes. This is a
valuable improvement for me.

Roman

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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[IOhannes m zmölnig]

On 07/18/2017 11:20 PM, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:
> On 07/16/2017 11:38 PM, Miller Puckette wrote:
>> So those lines were present ina "good" version, then gone in a "slightly
>> bad" one, then got reinstated and made things worse than before.  They
>> must be interacting with sonething else, but I don't know what.
> 
> i checked and it seems that the problem is the deferred instantiation of
> the pdmenus, as introduced by dan's OSX menu fixes in 0759bcf2.
> 
> i'm currently looking for a fix for this problem.


i think i might have found one:

   https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/108

please test (the issue that gets fixed is only on X11; however, please
also test on OSX to see whether this broke the menu on Darwin) and merge.

gmare
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[Dan Wilcox]

Relatedly, I saw a similar issue using the buggy Tk 8.5.9 included with macOS. 
The issue went away using either 8.4 or a newer 8.6.

In that case, it was the audio dialog opening in a slightly lower position each 
time.

> On Jul 18, 2017, at 11:21 PM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote:
> 
> From: IOhannes m zmölnig <zmoel...@iem.at <mailto:zmoel...@iem.at>>
> Subject: Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released
> Date: July 18, 2017 at 11:20:57 PM GMT+2
> To: pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at>
> 
> 
> On 07/16/2017 11:38 PM, Miller Puckette wrote:
>> So those lines were present ina "good" version, then gone in a "slightly
>> bad" one, then got reinstated and made things worse than before.  They
>> must be interacting with sonething else, but I don't know what.
> 
> i checked and it seems that the problem is the deferred instantiation of
> the pdmenus, as introduced by dan's OSX menu fixes in 0759bcf2.
> 
> i'm currently looking for a fix for this problem.
> 
> gfmasr
> IOhannes


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[IOhannes m zmölnig]

On 07/16/2017 11:38 PM, Miller Puckette wrote:
> So those lines were present ina "good" version, then gone in a "slightly
> bad" one, then got reinstated and made things worse than before.  They
> must be interacting with sonething else, but I don't know what.

i checked and it seems that the problem is the deferred instantiation of
the pdmenus, as introduced by dan's OSX menu fixes in 0759bcf2.

i'm currently looking for a fix for this problem.

gfmasr
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[Max]

On 2017년 07월 18일 18:42, Dan Wilcox wrote:
On Jul 18, 2017, at 6:20 PM, Max > wrote:

make clean

make: *** No rule to make target 'clean'.  Stop.


That means the the makefiles aren't generated. If so, you need to run to 
generate them:


./autogen.sh


ah, I see.

Judging from the stack trace, I'm not sure pd was built with debugging 
on. You can do a clean and rebuild with debugging by:


make clean
./configure --enable-debug --enable-jack
make


cd bin
./pd
Segmentation fault

./pd -nrt as IOhannes suggested
runs ok.

gdb ./pd
run -nrt
also runs ok.


If the stack trace output is the same, maybe try the above without 
--enable-jack as well.


Pd runs like that!
make clean
./configure --enable-debug
make
cd bin
./pd
API 5 not supported, reverting to 1 (ALSA)




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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[IOhannes m zmölnig]

On 07/18/2017 06:20 PM, Max wrote:
> (gdb) watchdog: signaling pd...

when running Pd in a debugger, you should always turn off realtime (that
is: run with "-nrt")

gfamrds
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[Dan Wilcox]

> On Jul 18, 2017, at 6:20 PM, Max  wrote:
> 
> On 2017년 07월 18일 17:53, Dan Wilcox wrote:
>> I would do a rebuild with debug enabled and then run it through gdb to see 
>> where the crash is happening:
>> make clean
> make: *** No rule to make target 'clean'.  Stop.

That means the the makefiles aren't generated. If so, you need to run to 
generate them:

./autogen.sh

Judging from the stack trace, I'm not sure pd was built with debugging on. You 
can do a clean and rebuild with debugging by:

make clean
./configure --enable-debug --enable-jack
make

If the stack trace output is the same, maybe try the above without 
--enable-jack as well.


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[Max]

On 2017년 07월 18일 17:53, Dan Wilcox wrote:
I would do a rebuild with debug enabled and then run it through gdb to 
see where the crash is happening:


make clean

make: *** No rule to make target 'clean'.  Stop.


./configure --enable-debug --enable-jack
make
cd bin
gdb ./pd


Starting program: /home/max/Code/pd-0.48-0test1a/bin/pd
[Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled]
Using host libthread_db library "/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libthread_db.so.1".
[New Thread 0x77f32700 (LWP 28486)]
[New Thread 0x77eb1700 (LWP 28488)]

Thread 3 "pd" received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
[Switching to Thread 0x77eb1700 (LWP 28488)]
0x778b8f96 in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libjack.so.0
(gdb) watchdog: signaling pd...


Basic instructions are here: 
http://unknownroad.com/rtfm/gdbtut/gdbsegfault.html


What we need is the stack trace to see which functions are begin called 
before the crash.


is it the above?



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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[Dan Wilcox]

> On Jul 18, 2017, at 5:14 PM, Max  wrote:
> 
> On 2017년 07월 18일 16:22, Dan Wilcox wrote:
>>> On Jul 18, 2017, at 3:56 PM, Max >> 18일 15:04, Dan Wilcox wrote:
>>> i did another make and surprise! it doesn't run any more.
>>> 
>>> ./pd
>>> Segmentation fault
>>> 
>>> do i need to do a make clean or something before a new attempt?
>> Possibly, depending on if things have changed in the configuration, etc it 
>> doesn't hurt to clean & make again.
> 
> I just deleted the whole folder and downloaded it again

No need to do that. Running "make clean" clears out the build.

> ./autogen.sh
> ./configure --enable-jack
> make
> cd bin
> ./pd
> Segmentation fault

I would do a rebuild with debug enabled and then run it through gdb to see 
where the crash is happening:

make clean
./configure --enable-debug --enable-jack
make
cd bin
gdb ./pd

Basic instructions are here: 
http://unknownroad.com/rtfm/gdbtut/gdbsegfault.html 


What we need is the stack trace to see which functions are begin called before 
the crash.


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[Max]

On 2017년 07월 18일 16:22, Dan Wilcox wrote:
On Jul 18, 2017, at 3:56 PM, Max  
https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[Dan Wilcox]

> On Jul 18, 2017, at 3:56 PM, Max  wrote:
> 
> On 2017년 07월 18일 15:04, Dan Wilcox wrote:
>> Can you re-run configure and look through the output for the relevant Jack 
>> checks? It may not be finding Jack correctly. 
> 
> checking for jack_set_xrun_callback in -ljack... yes
> checking for jack_set_error_function in -ljack... yes

That looks good. It's finding the jack library.

>> Also, what does the  final configure print out say for the Audio APIS? Is 
>> JACK listed?
> 
> configure:
> 
>audio APIs:   PortAudio JACK alsa OSS

It detected things ok.

> i did another make and surprise! it doesn't run any more.
> 
> ./pd
> Segmentation fault
> 
> do i need to do a make clean or something before a new attempt?

Possibly, depending on if things have changed in the configuration, etc it 
doesn't hurt to clean & make again.

Also, what's the output of: pkg-config --libs jack

This might be a problem IOhannes will need to help with as I don't have a Linux 
install right now.


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[Max]

On 2017년 07월 18일 15:04, Dan Wilcox wrote:
Can you re-run configure and look through the output for the relevant 
Jack checks? It may not be finding Jack correctly. 


checking for jack_set_xrun_callback in -ljack... yes
checking for jack_set_error_function in -ljack... yes


Also, what does the  final configure print out say for the Audio APIS? Is JACK 
listed?



configure:

pd 0.48.0 is now configured

Platform: Linux
Debug build:  no
Universal build:  no
Localizations:yes
Source directory: .
Installation prefix:  /usr/local

Compiler: gcc
CFLAGS:   -g -O2 -ffast-math -funroll-loops 
-fomit-frame-pointer

LDFLAGS:
INCLUDES:
LIBS: -lpthread -ldl  -lrt

External extension:   pd_linux
External CFLAGS:  -fPIC
External LDFLAGS: -Wl,--export-dynamic -fPIC

fftw: no
wish(tcl/tk): wish
audio APIs:   PortAudio JACK alsa OSS
midi APIs:alsa OSS

i did another make and surprise! it doesn't run any more.

./pd
Segmentation fault

do i need to do a make clean or something before a new attempt?



On Jul 18, 2017, at 12:00 PM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at 
<mailto:pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at> wrote:


*From:*Max <abonneme...@revolwear.com <mailto:abonneme...@revolwear.com>>
*Subject:**Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released*
*Date:*July 18, 2017 at 10:41:37 AM GMT+2
*To:*IOhannes m zmölnig <zmoel...@iem.at 
<mailto:zmoel...@iem.at>>,pd-list@lists.iem.at 
<mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at>



On 2017년 07월 17일 20:00, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:

On 07/17/2017 04:24 PM, Max wrote:


Great work, I really appreciate the more verbose INSTALL.txt.
The autogen.sh process worked flawless, however, I could not get JACK to
work, even with ./configure --enable-jack

i'm not sure jack is supported on w32.


I assume that's IOhannes way of saying that I need to specify the 
platform I'm on to receive better answers on the list, but feel 
slightly violated that he suggests that I'm using windows...


Linux Mint Cinnamon 18.2 64bit kernel 4.11.11 lowlatency

Jack2 works fine on this machine and does so on Pd 0.47.1, but not 
with 0.48-Otest1



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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[Max]

On 2017년 07월 18일 15:20, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:

On 2017-07-18 10:41, Max wrote:

On 2017년 07월 17일 20:00, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:

On 07/17/2017 04:24 PM, Max wrote:


Great work, I really appreciate the more verbose INSTALL.txt.
The autogen.sh process worked flawless, however, I could not get JACK to
work, even with ./configure --enable-jack


i'm not sure jack is supported on w32.


I assume that's IOhannes way of saying that I need to specify the
platform I'm on to receive better answers on the list, but feel slightly
violated that he suggests that I'm using windows...

Linux Mint Cinnamon 18.2 64bit kernel 4.11.11 lowlatency


thanks.



Jack2 works fine on this machine and does so on Pd 0.47.1, but not with
0.48-Otest1


when you run configure, what does it say in the summary at the end about
the enabled "audio APIs"?



./configure --enable-jack

audio APIs:   PortAudio JACK alsa OSS

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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[IOhannes m zmoelnig]

On 2017-07-18 10:41, Max wrote:
> On 2017년 07월 17일 20:00, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:
>> On 07/17/2017 04:24 PM, Max wrote:
>>>
>>> Great work, I really appreciate the more verbose INSTALL.txt.
>>> The autogen.sh process worked flawless, however, I could not get JACK to
>>> work, even with ./configure --enable-jack
>>
>> i'm not sure jack is supported on w32.
> 
> I assume that's IOhannes way of saying that I need to specify the
> platform I'm on to receive better answers on the list, but feel slightly
> violated that he suggests that I'm using windows...
> 
> Linux Mint Cinnamon 18.2 64bit kernel 4.11.11 lowlatency

thanks.

> 
> Jack2 works fine on this machine and does so on Pd 0.47.1, but not with
> 0.48-Otest1

when you run configure, what does it say in the summary at the end about
the enabled "audio APIs"?

gfmasdr
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[Dan Wilcox]

Can you re-run configure and look through the output for the relevant Jack 
checks? It may not be finding Jack correctly. Also, what does the final 
configure print out say for the Audio APIS? Is JACK listed?

> On Jul 18, 2017, at 12:00 PM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote:
> 
> From: Max <abonneme...@revolwear.com <mailto:abonneme...@revolwear.com>>
> Subject: Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released
> Date: July 18, 2017 at 10:41:37 AM GMT+2
> To: IOhannes m zmölnig <zmoel...@iem.at <mailto:zmoel...@iem.at>>, 
> pd-list@lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at>
> 
> 
> On 2017년 07월 17일 20:00, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:
>> On 07/17/2017 04:24 PM, Max wrote:
>>> 
>>> Great work, I really appreciate the more verbose INSTALL.txt.
>>> The autogen.sh process worked flawless, however, I could not get JACK to
>>> work, even with ./configure --enable-jack
>> i'm not sure jack is supported on w32.
> 
> I assume that's IOhannes way of saying that I need to specify the platform 
> I'm on to receive better answers on the list, but feel slightly violated that 
> he suggests that I'm using windows...
> 
> Linux Mint Cinnamon 18.2 64bit kernel 4.11.11 lowlatency
> 
> Jack2 works fine on this machine and does so on Pd 0.47.1, but not with 
> 0.48-Otest1


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[Miller Puckette]

I didn't realize jack worked on windows... I don't think I can add that to
0.48 safely but will try to support it later.  And/or, if anyone else wants to
try to include it, go for it!  I think it's just compiling in the relevant files
from portaudio (which might already be in the tarball) and adding some
compiler flags.

cheers
Miller


On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 08:00:32PM +0200, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:
> On 07/17/2017 04:24 PM, Max wrote:
> > 
> > Great work, I really appreciate the more verbose INSTALL.txt.
> > The autogen.sh process worked flawless, however, I could not get JACK to
> > work, even with ./configure --enable-jack
> 
> i'm not sure jack is supported on w32.
> 
> gdsr
> IOhannes
> 




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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[IOhannes m zmölnig]

On 07/17/2017 04:24 PM, Max wrote:
> 
> Great work, I really appreciate the more verbose INSTALL.txt.
> The autogen.sh process worked flawless, however, I could not get JACK to
> work, even with ./configure --enable-jack

i'm not sure jack is supported on w32.

gdsr
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[Max]

Hi Miller, Dan et al.

Great work, I really appreciate the more verbose INSTALL.txt.
The autogen.sh process worked flawless, however, I could not get JACK to 
work, even with ./configure --enable-jack


I'm getting: ./pd
API 5 not supported, reverting to 1 (ALSA)


On 2017년 07월 15일 01:34, Miller Puckette wrote:

To Pd-announce:

The first test version of Pd 0.48 (source, adn compiled versions for
MacOS and Windows) is available at:

http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm

or (source code only) via github:

https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data

cheers
Miller

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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[me.grimm]

nice!

and thanks for all the hard work!

cheers
m

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 5:52 AM, Dan Wilcox  wrote:

>
> On Jul 16, 2017, at 2:49 AM, me.grimm  wrote:
>
> >> mac/README.txt which now supersede it. Can you check that all the
> information is covered?
>
> yeah this is very articulate writeup of the process though i think the
> missing element is a specific git example which, i assume, should be the
> preferred method since the method documented results in a broken Wish.app.
>
>
> It shouldn't be the preferred method as, in general, we'd want to stick to
> tested release versions. It's really only our bad luck that, right now, the
> latest release versions crash on 10.12. As the vast majority of Pd users
> will not be building Wish themselves, I think we can safely wait for the
> next Tk release. Those that do run into problems can then try the git
> versions, as now suggested.
>
> So something like:
>
> $ mac/osx-app.sh --wish Wish-8.6.6-git.app 0.48.0-test1
>
> or where you have it right in the helpfile with:
>
> $ tcltk-wish.sh --git master-git
>
> so maybe just the git instruction is necessary?
>
>
> How's this: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/107/files
>
> Also, I updated the Wiki page to point to the relevant source docs:
> https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/wiki/Building-
> Pd-%26-the-various-WIP-branches
> 
>
>
> 
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>
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[Dan Wilcox]

> On Jul 16, 2017, at 2:49 AM, me.grimm  wrote:
> 
> >> mac/README.txt which now supersede it. Can you check that all the 
> >> information is covered?
> 
> yeah this is very articulate writeup of the process though i think the 
> missing element is a specific git example which, i assume, should be the 
> preferred method since the method documented results in a broken Wish.app.

It shouldn't be the preferred method as, in general, we'd want to stick to 
tested release versions. It's really only our bad luck that, right now, the 
latest release versions crash on 10.12. As the vast majority of Pd users will 
not be building Wish themselves, I think we can safely wait for the next Tk 
release. Those that do run into problems can then try the git versions, as now 
suggested.

> So something like:
> 
> $ mac/osx-app.sh --wish Wish-8.6.6-git.app 0.48.0-test1
> 
> or where you have it right in the helpfile with:
> 
> $ tcltk-wish.sh --git master-git
> 
> so maybe just the git instruction is necessary?

How's this: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/107/files 


Also, I updated the Wiki page to point to the relevant source docs: 
https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/wiki/Building-Pd-%26-the-various-WIP-branches
 


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[Miller Puckette]

I'm baffled so far.  I notice that your patch misbehaves in commit
82adaf15f0ff2928c26e261b76d1d5ed809d5788 - the subpatch creeps up one
pixel each time.  Then after the next commit, 
dfbfc754b30e26da2d105fa85cb73152ce9e40b5, the patch jumps down about
the height of the menu bar each time.  The difference is the addition
of these lines:

+ 
+ # on X11 measure the size of the window decoration, so we can open windows
+ if {$::windowingsystem eq "x11"} {
+ regexp -- {([0-9]+)x([0-9]+)\+([0-9]+)\+([0-9]+)} [wm geometry .pdwind
+ _ _ _left _top
+ set ::windowframex [expr {[winfo rootx .pdwindow] - $_left}]
+ set ::windowframey [expr {[winfo rooty .pdwindow] - $_top}]
+ }
... but those are teh same lines that were added in commit f0703a40810,
and sometime between f0703a40810 and 82adaf15f0f (feb 16 and June 22) they
got taken out again.

So those lines were present ina "good" version, then gone in a "slightly
bad" one, then got reinstated and made things worse than before.  They
must be interacting with sonething else, but I don't know what.

M

> Hey all
> 
> I'm experiencing window position troubles on X11 (Ubuntu 16.04,
> fluxbox). When loading patches in Pd 0.48 that were last saved with Pd
> 0.47, the windows appear at the correct positions. But when saving and
> reloading them on 0.48, they move upwards and slightly to the left on
> each cycle. Furthermore, when opening and closing subpatches, their
> windows move downwards by ~30 pixels on each cycle. This is a
> regression since the last Pd release.
> 
> IOhannes addressed window positioning on X11 with commit f0703a40810,
> which fixed almost all window positioning troubles know to me,  but its
> effect got lost soon after. I have troubles finding out what exactly
> broke it, but it might be a commit or merge that happened after Feb
> 2017. 
> 
> Attached is a patch that illustrates the canvas movement.
> 
> Roman
> 
> https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/commit/f0703a408103fff236f5b
> 
> 
> On Fre, 2017-07-14 at 16:34 -0700, Miller Puckette wrote:
> > To Pd-announce:
> > 
> > The first test version of Pd 0.48 (source, adn compiled versions for
> > MacOS and Windows) is available at:
> > 
> > http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm
> > 
> > or (source code only) via github:
> > 
> > https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data
> > 
> > cheers
> > Miller
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[Miller Puckette]

Cool, that seems to be working... 

I think I'll have to confront fractional font sizes pretty soon - more and
more stuff is going to start breaking in TK 8.4.

cheers
Miller

P.S. I hope fatherhood and germany-moving-in are going well - thanks for
being so present on the list while all that's going on!

On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 10:34:30PM +0200, Dan Wilcox wrote:
> 
> > On Jul 16, 2017, at 9:38 PM, Miller Puckette  wrote:
> > 
> > Sure enough - with TK 8.5, font sizes are no longer integers; the
> > "font metrics" command appears to return the next-higher integer
> > sizes (thus throwing off box sizes and messing up selecting text within
> > boxes).
> > 
> > I'm not sure what to do - try to adapt Pd to deal with fractional font
> > sizes, or find some way to force TK 5 to use integer-sized fonts, or
> > just give up and use 8.4 for another cycle...
> 
> I'd say keep using the included Wish in mac/stuff. It's Tk 8.4 and still 
> works fine. Then we can work out the kinks in the sizing for the next release 
> and bring in Deja Vu Sans Mono cross platform. I was hesitant to push that 
> for this release as it obviously still needs some attention and testing. I've 
> tried a few fixes now and then, but nothing stuck so far. Frankly, there were 
> many other things that came up first.
> 
> > Incidentally, 8.4 isn't yet building on my MacOS 10.6... maybe I can just
> > include the system-provided one :)
> 
> Any mac TK 8.4 Wish will work, I think. The included one in mac/stuff or the 
> one bundled with macOS. The default behavior for "make app" is to use the 
> traditional, included one to match your previous releases. The system one can 
> be had with:
> 
> mac/osc-app.sh -s 8.4 0.48.0
> 
> 
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[Dan Wilcox]

> On Jul 16, 2017, at 9:38 PM, Miller Puckette  wrote:
> 
> Sure enough - with TK 8.5, font sizes are no longer integers; the
> "font metrics" command appears to return the next-higher integer
> sizes (thus throwing off box sizes and messing up selecting text within
> boxes).
> 
> I'm not sure what to do - try to adapt Pd to deal with fractional font
> sizes, or find some way to force TK 5 to use integer-sized fonts, or
> just give up and use 8.4 for another cycle...

I'd say keep using the included Wish in mac/stuff. It's Tk 8.4 and still works 
fine. Then we can work out the kinks in the sizing for the next release and 
bring in Deja Vu Sans Mono cross platform. I was hesitant to push that for this 
release as it obviously still needs some attention and testing. I've tried a 
few fixes now and then, but nothing stuck so far. Frankly, there were many 
other things that came up first.

> Incidentally, 8.4 isn't yet building on my MacOS 10.6... maybe I can just
> include the system-provided one :)

Any mac TK 8.4 Wish will work, I think. The included one in mac/stuff or the 
one bundled with macOS. The default behavior for "make app" is to use the 
traditional, included one to match your previous releases. The system one can 
be had with:

mac/osc-app.sh -s 8.4 0.48.0


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[Roman Haefeli]

Hey all

I'm experiencing window position troubles on X11 (Ubuntu 16.04,
fluxbox). When loading patches in Pd 0.48 that were last saved with Pd
0.47, the windows appear at the correct positions. But when saving and
reloading them on 0.48, they move upwards and slightly to the left on
each cycle. Furthermore, when opening and closing subpatches, their
windows move downwards by ~30 pixels on each cycle. This is a
regression since the last Pd release.

IOhannes addressed window positioning on X11 with commit f0703a40810,
which fixed almost all window positioning troubles know to me,  but its
effect got lost soon after. I have troubles finding out what exactly
broke it, but it might be a commit or merge that happened after Feb
2017. 

Attached is a patch that illustrates the canvas movement.

Roman

https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/commit/f0703a408103fff236f5b


On Fre, 2017-07-14 at 16:34 -0700, Miller Puckette wrote:
> To Pd-announce:
> 
> The first test version of Pd 0.48 (source, adn compiled versions for
> MacOS and Windows) is available at:
> 
> http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm
> 
> or (source code only) via github:
> 
> https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data
> 
> cheers
> Miller
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[Miller Puckette]

Sure enough - with TK 8.5, font sizes are no longer integers; the
"font metrics" command appears to return the next-higher integer
sizes (thus throwing off box sizes and messing up selecting text within
boxes).

I'm not sure what to do - try to adapt Pd to deal with fractional font
sizes, or find some way to force TK 5 to use integer-sized fonts, or
just give up and use 8.4 for another cycle...

Incidentally, 8.4 isn't yet building on my MacOS 10.6... maybe I can just
include the system-provided one :)

M

On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 11:22:35PM +0200, Dan Wilcox wrote:
> I've added  a macOS 32bit 0.48.0-test1 build using the normal (old, included) 
> Tk 8.4 wish: http://docs.danomatika.com/pdbuilds/ 
> 
> 
> >> On Jul 15, 2017, at 11:02 AM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at 
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >> I notice it looks quite differently in Mac OS, like there is a new font, 
> >> but it still seems it is Monaco. But the font size is smaller and the 
> >> boxes are thinner and wider. A subpatch will also have an extra space to 
> >> the right after the text/name of the subpatch.
> > 
> > You are seeing the retina rendering with a newer Tk, which still has those 
> > font issues as the rendered box size does not quite fit the font. I haven't 
> > been able to track down a fix yet.
> > 
> > It's weird, though, as this shouldn't be the default yet and Pd should 
> > still be using 8.4 which is pixelated on retina screens but has correct 
> > object sizing.
> > 
> > Miller, how did you build the mac distribution app?
> 
> 
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list]

> The "bad" behavior is that, fro instance, 0 in gives 1 out.  That happened 
on everyone's machine except mine (so I was blissfully unaware that anything 
was wrong).  I'm running fedora linux.  Even debian linux machines gave the 
wrong answer while my machine kept giving me the right one.  Im not going 
to try to figure out what the #$&^ was going on :)

If someone can point clearly to the source of undefined behavior in that 
seemingly simple code then it would seem appropriate to just fix the bug 
and move on.

Otherwise it appears to be deterministic bug (excepting one unexplained 
edge case) that almost certainly has resulted in patches out in the wild 
behaving 
and/or sounding one way and not another. A compatibility case seems warranted 
for this.
-Jonathan

> M



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> > That's just the question - is it worth keeping an old bug available for 
> compatibility?  In this case, perhaps yes - although you'd have to 
> explicitly set a compatibility flag in Pd to get eh old behavior.
> 
> > (incidentally teh old behavior was machine-dependent - this complicates it 
> even further :)
> I didn't notice that it's machine-dependent-- it just appears as the wrong 
> algorithm 
> to me.
> 
> Is there undefined behavior there?
> -Jonathan

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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[Miller Puckette]

The "bad" behavior is that, fro instance, 0 in gives 1 out.  That happened
on everyone's machine except mine (so I was blissfully unaware that anything
was wrong).  I'm running fedora linux.  Even debian linux machines gave the
wrong answer while my machine kept giving me the right one.  Im not going
to try to figure out what the #$&^ was going on :)

M

On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 06:51:03PM +, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list wrote:
> > That's just the question - is it worth keeping an old bug available for 
> compatibility?  In this case, perhaps yes - although you'd have to 
> explicitly set a compatibility flag in Pd to get eh old behavior.
> 
> > (incidentally teh old behavior was machine-dependent - this complicates it 
> even further :)
> I didn't notice that it's machine-dependent-- it just appears as the wrong 
> algorithm 
> to me.
> 
> Is there undefined behavior there?
> -Jonathan

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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list]

> That's just the question - is it worth keeping an old bug available for 
compatibility?  In this case, perhaps yes - although you'd have to 
explicitly set a compatibility flag in Pd to get eh old behavior.

> (incidentally teh old behavior was machine-dependent - this complicates it 
even further :)
I didn't notice that it's machine-dependent-- it just appears as the wrong 
algorithm 
to me.

Is there undefined behavior there?
-Jonathan
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[Miller Puckette]

That's just the question - is it worth keeping an old bug available for
compatibility?   In this case, perhaps yes - although you'd have to
explicitly set a compatibility flag in Pd to get eh old behavior.

(incidentally teh old behavior was machine-dependent - this complicates it
even further :)

On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 01:41:22PM -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
> 2017-07-16 13:03 GMT-03:00 Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list  >:
> 
> > Hi Miller,
> >
> > Should there be a compatibility path for the following bugfix:
> >
> > https://sourceforge.net/p/pure-data/pure-data/ci/
> > fc1dd9b0d93e9b039719103155b5772f20762c7e/
> >
> > Looks like the old behavior was there for awhile.
> >
> 
> hmm, more than a "behaviour", seems to me like a wrong mathematical output,
> a bug.

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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

2017-07-16 13:03 GMT-03:00 Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list :

> Hi Miller,
>
> Should there be a compatibility path for the following bugfix:
>
> https://sourceforge.net/p/pure-data/pure-data/ci/
> fc1dd9b0d93e9b039719103155b5772f20762c7e/
>
> Looks like the old behavior was there for awhile.
>

hmm, more than a "behaviour", seems to me like a wrong mathematical output,
a bug.
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[Miller Puckette]

Yeah, been trying to decide if this rises to the level of needing a
compatibility path.  I'll try to get to that later today.

On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 04:03:38PM +, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list wrote:
> Hi Miller,
> Should there be a compatibility path for the following bugfix:
> 
> https://sourceforge.net/p/pure-data/pure-data/ci/fc1dd9b0d93e9b039719103155b5772f20762c7e/
> Looks like the old behavior was there for awhile.
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list]

Hi Miller,
Should there be a compatibility path for the following bugfix:

https://sourceforge.net/p/pure-data/pure-data/ci/fc1dd9b0d93e9b039719103155b5772f20762c7e/
Looks like the old behavior was there for awhile.
-Jonathan
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[cyrille henry]

thanks,
it works now : I just compile it and start a complex patch : everything look 
like working.
i'll do more test later.

cheers
c


Le 16/07/2017 à 04:18, Miller Puckette a écrit :

Duh, may bad - I've updated the source tarball to be the actual git sources
(I had been using a script I wrote many years before Git appeared.)  It should
work now to download the new source (msp.ucsd.edu) and compile.

thanks
Miller

On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 11:09:14PM +0200, Dan Wilcox wrote:

Simple answer: looks like the mac folder is missing in the source distribution 
tarball.


On Jul 15, 2017, at 11:02 AM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote:

autogen fail on ubuntu linux 16.04 for me :

chnry@hnry:~/pd/pd$ ./autogen.sh
autoreconf: Entering directory `.'
autoreconf: configure.ac: not using Gettext
autoreconf: running: aclocal --force -I m4/generated -I m4
autoreconf: configure.ac: tracing
autoreconf: running: libtoolize --copy --force
libtoolize: putting auxiliary files in AC_CONFIG_AUX_DIR, 'm4/config'.
libtoolize: copying file 'm4/config/ltmain.sh'
libtoolize: putting macros in AC_CONFIG_MACRO_DIRS, 'm4/generated'.
libtoolize: copying file 'm4/generated/libtool.m4'
libtoolize: copying file 'm4/generated/ltoptions.m4'
libtoolize: copying file 'm4/generated/ltsugar.m4'
libtoolize: copying file 'm4/generated/ltversion.m4'
libtoolize: copying file 'm4/generated/lt~obsolete.m4'
autoreconf: running: /usr/bin/autoconf --force
autoreconf: configure.ac: not using Autoheader
autoreconf: running: automake --add-missing --copy --force-missing
configure.ac:164: installing 'm4/config/compile'
configure.ac:9: installing 'm4/config/missing'
configure.ac:492: error: required file 'mac/Makefile.in' not found
Makefile.am:45: error: required directory ./mac does not exist
Makefile.am:48: error: required directory ./mac does not exist
asio/Makefile.am: installing 'm4/config/depcomp'
autoreconf: automake failed with exit status: 1


cheers
c



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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[Miller Puckette]

Duh, may bad - I've updated the source tarball to be the actual git sources
(I had been using a script I wrote many years before Git appeared.)  It should
work now to download the new source (msp.ucsd.edu) and compile.

thanks
Miller

On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 11:09:14PM +0200, Dan Wilcox wrote:
> Simple answer: looks like the mac folder is missing in the source 
> distribution tarball.
> 
> > On Jul 15, 2017, at 11:02 AM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote:
> > 
> > autogen fail on ubuntu linux 16.04 for me :
> > 
> > chnry@hnry:~/pd/pd$ ./autogen.sh
> > autoreconf: Entering directory `.'
> > autoreconf: configure.ac: not using Gettext
> > autoreconf: running: aclocal --force -I m4/generated -I m4
> > autoreconf: configure.ac: tracing
> > autoreconf: running: libtoolize --copy --force
> > libtoolize: putting auxiliary files in AC_CONFIG_AUX_DIR, 'm4/config'.
> > libtoolize: copying file 'm4/config/ltmain.sh'
> > libtoolize: putting macros in AC_CONFIG_MACRO_DIRS, 'm4/generated'.
> > libtoolize: copying file 'm4/generated/libtool.m4'
> > libtoolize: copying file 'm4/generated/ltoptions.m4'
> > libtoolize: copying file 'm4/generated/ltsugar.m4'
> > libtoolize: copying file 'm4/generated/ltversion.m4'
> > libtoolize: copying file 'm4/generated/lt~obsolete.m4'
> > autoreconf: running: /usr/bin/autoconf --force
> > autoreconf: configure.ac: not using Autoheader
> > autoreconf: running: automake --add-missing --copy --force-missing
> > configure.ac:164: installing 'm4/config/compile'
> > configure.ac:9: installing 'm4/config/missing'
> > configure.ac:492: error: required file 'mac/Makefile.in' not found
> > Makefile.am:45: error: required directory ./mac does not exist
> > Makefile.am:48: error: required directory ./mac does not exist
> > asio/Makefile.am: installing 'm4/config/depcomp'
> > autoreconf: automake failed with exit status: 1
> > 
> > 
> > cheers
> > c
> 
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[Lucas Cordiviola]

Alles klar,

we are not rushing, we have time.



Mensaje telepatico asistido por maquinas.



From: Dan Wilcox <danomat...@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

I guess what I'm really saying is that it's late here, I've been working almost 
nonstop on Pd for the last two weeks, and I'm sorry y'alls documentation 
doesn't render exactly the same because we didn't get to this issue yet. I've 
not reviewed the PR and the information that was put together in a while, so 
maybe tomorrow.

On Jul 16, 2017, at 2:04 AM, Lucas Cordiviola 
<lucard...@hotmail.com<mailto:lucard...@hotmail.com>> wrote:


>is probably related to issue with object sizes being off on macOS retina 
>screens

I can't test that, but we tested windows & linux with pdx font metrics and we 
are Ok.
Does this mean that uniform patch rendering is valid only for linux & windows?
With either vanilla or pdx metrics?


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[me.grimm]

>> mac/README.txt which now supersede it. Can you check that all the
information is covered?

yeah this is very articulate writeup of the process though i think the
missing element is a specific git example which, i assume, should be the
preferred method since the method documented results in a broken Wish.app.
So something like:

$ mac/osx-app.sh --wish Wish-8.6.6-git.app 0.48.0-test1

or where you have it right in the helpfile with:

$ tcltk-wish.sh --git master-git

so maybe just the git instruction is necessary?

>> I forgot about that wiki page

ha... yeah i went to that before the readme or using mac/tcltk-wish.sh
--help because thats where google immediately brought me when i asked it :)

On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 8:10 PM, Dan Wilcox  wrote:

>
> On Jul 16, 2017, at 1:59 AM, me.grimm  wrote:
>
> maybe we note in "Building Pd & the various WIP branches" wiki something
> like "mac/tcltk-wish.sh --arch i386 8.6.5" is not working?
>
>
> I forgot about that wiki page and essentially rewrote it in mac/README.txt
> which now supersede it. Can you check that all the information is covered?
>
> also maybe cool to pull https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/56 ??
>  i was liking the updated icon from this
>
>
> That is still up for discussion. It was only an update for Mac and not for
> any of the other platforms. Further, there are sizing issues IMO. I
> definitely want to update the icon but it should be for all platforms and
> agreed upon by more than a couple people on macOS. You can see a relevant
> thread on pd-dev.
>
> 
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[Dan Wilcox]

I guess what I'm really saying is that it's late here, I've been working almost 
nonstop on Pd for the last two weeks, and I'm sorry y'alls documentation 
doesn't render exactly the same because we didn't get to this issue yet. I've 
not reviewed the PR and the information that was put together in a while, so 
maybe tomorrow.

> On Jul 16, 2017, at 2:04 AM, Lucas Cordiviola  wrote:
> 
> >is probably related to issue with object sizes being off on macOS retina 
> >screens 
> 
> I can't test that, but we tested windows & linux with pdx font metrics and we 
> are Ok.
> Does this mean that uniform patch rendering is valid only for linux & windows?
> With either vanilla or pdx metrics?


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[Dan Wilcox]

> On Jul 16, 2017, at 1:59 AM, me.grimm  wrote:
> 
> maybe we note in "Building Pd & the various WIP branches" wiki something like 
> "mac/tcltk-wish.sh --arch i386 8.6.5" is not working?

I forgot about that wiki page and essentially rewrote it in mac/README.txt 
which now supersede it. Can you check that all the information is covered?

> also maybe cool to pull https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/56 
>  ??  i was liking the updated 
> icon from this

That is still up for discussion. It was only an update for Mac and not for any 
of the other platforms. Further, there are sizing issues IMO. I definitely want 
to update the icon but it should be for all platforms and agreed upon by more 
than a couple people on macOS. You can see a relevant thread on pd-dev.


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[Lucas Cordiviola]

>is probably related to issue with object sizes being off on macOS retina 
>screens

I can't test that, but we tested windows & linux with pdx font metrics and we 
are Ok.
Does this mean that uniform patch rendering is valid only for linux & windows?
With either vanilla or pdx metrics?



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To: Lucas Cordiviola
Cc: Alexandre Torres Porres; Pd-List
Subject: Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

It's not that simple. When the canvas zooming was added, font metrics are now 
computed at startup and no longer hard coded. This makes the numbers slightly 
different. It also means you can't just copy over the old values per the font 
sizes as easily. It's no impossible, but it also needs to work and is probably 
related to issue with object sizes being off on macOS retina screens.

On Jul 15, 2017, at 11:49 PM, Lucas Cordiviola 
<lucard...@hotmail.com<mailto:lucard...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

The windows thing will be surely resolved one way or the other 
(loading/installing dejavu) but I think that the key issue Alex was pointing is 
the pdx fonts metrics on pd-gui.tcl. This will make patches render uniformly 
also with Purr-data.


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[me.grimm]

yeah got it and all is working with:

$ mac/tcltk-wish.sh --git 8.6.6-git -b master
$ mac/osx-app.sh --wish Wish-8.6.6-git.app 0.48.0-test1

maybe we note in "Building Pd & the various WIP branches" wiki something
like "mac/tcltk-wish.sh --arch i386 8.6.5" is not working?

also maybe cool to pull https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/56 ??
 i was liking the updated icon from this

On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 7:44 PM, Dan Wilcox <danomat...@gmail.com> wrote:

> BTW, "so build Tk from git" means use the tcltk-wish.sh --git option :)
>
> On Jul 16, 2017, at 12:54 AM, me.grimm <megr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> current TK downloads crash on start on macOS 10.12, so build Tk from
> git.
>
> ah... yeah i was getting crashing right away with just "
> mac/tcltk-wish.sh"... will try tk from git.
>
> On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 4:38 PM, Dan Wilcox <danomat...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I already has been.
>>
>> Retina changes are dependent on using a newer Tk. See mac/README.txt for
>> how to build Pd with a newer Tk Wish. Note: The current TK downloads crash
>> on start on macOS 10.12, so build Tk from git.
>>
>> On Jul 15, 2017, at 8:18 PM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote:
>>
>> *From: *"me.grimm" <megr...@gmail.com>
>> *Subject: **Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released*
>> *Date: *July 15, 2017 at 7:28:34 PM GMT+2
>> *To: *Miller Puckette <m...@ucsd.edu>
>> *Cc: *pd_list Listserve <pd-l...@iem.at>
>>
>>
>> >> dans retina changes
>>
>> ah i see now there is a specific branch for this. can the 
>> osx-retina-support
>> branch be merged with master?
>>
>> thanks!
>> m
>>
>>
>> 
>> Dan Wilcox
>> @danomatika <http://twitter.com/danomatika>
>> danomatika.com
>> robotcowboy.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[Dan Wilcox]

BTW, "so build Tk from git" means use the tcltk-wish.sh --git option :)

> On Jul 16, 2017, at 12:54 AM, me.grimm <megr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >> current TK downloads crash on start on macOS 10.12, so build Tk from git.
> 
> ah... yeah i was getting crashing right away with just "mac/tcltk-wish.sh"... 
> will try tk from git.
> 
> On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 4:38 PM, Dan Wilcox <danomat...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:danomat...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> I already has been.
> 
> Retina changes are dependent on using a newer Tk. See mac/README.txt for how 
> to build Pd with a newer Tk Wish. Note: The current TK downloads crash on 
> start on macOS 10.12, so build Tk from git. 
> 
>> On Jul 15, 2017, at 8:18 PM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at 
>> <mailto:pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at> wrote:
>> 
>> From: "me.grimm" <megr...@gmail.com <mailto:megr...@gmail.com>>
>> Subject: Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released
>> Date: July 15, 2017 at 7:28:34 PM GMT+2
>> To: Miller Puckette <m...@ucsd.edu <mailto:m...@ucsd.edu>>
>> Cc: pd_list Listserve <pd-l...@iem.at <mailto:pd-l...@iem.at>>
>> 
>> 
>> >> dans retina changes
>> 
>> ah i see now there is a specific branch for this. can the 
>> osx-retina-support branch be merged with master?
>> 
>> thanks!
>> m
> 
> 
> Dan Wilcox
> @danomatika <http://twitter.com/danomatika>
> danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com/>
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[Dan Wilcox]

It's not that simple. When the canvas zooming was added, font metrics are now 
computed at startup and no longer hard coded. This makes the numbers slightly 
different. It also means you can't just copy over the old values per the font 
sizes as easily. It's no impossible, but it also needs to work and is probably 
related to issue with object sizes being off on macOS retina screens.

> On Jul 15, 2017, at 11:49 PM, Lucas Cordiviola  wrote:
> 
> The windows thing will be surely resolved one way or the other 
> (loading/installing dejavu) but I think that the key issue Alex was pointing 
> is the pdx fonts metrics on pd-gui.tcl. This will make patches render 
> uniformly also with Purr-data.


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[me.grimm]

>> current TK downloads crash on start on macOS 10.12, so build Tk from git.

ah... yeah i was getting crashing right away with just "
mac/tcltk-wish.sh"... will try tk from git.

On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 4:38 PM, Dan Wilcox <danomat...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I already has been.
>
> Retina changes are dependent on using a newer Tk. See mac/README.txt for
> how to build Pd with a newer Tk Wish. Note: The current TK downloads crash
> on start on macOS 10.12, so build Tk from git.
>
> On Jul 15, 2017, at 8:18 PM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote:
>
> *From: *"me.grimm" <megr...@gmail.com>
> *Subject: **Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released*
> *Date: *July 15, 2017 at 7:28:34 PM GMT+2
> *To: *Miller Puckette <m...@ucsd.edu>
> *Cc: *pd_list Listserve <pd-l...@iem.at>
>
>
> >> dans retina changes
>
> ah i see now there is a specific branch for this. can the 
> osx-retina-support
> branch be merged with master?
>
> thanks!
> m
>
>
> 
> Dan Wilcox
> @danomatika <http://twitter.com/danomatika>
> danomatika.com
> robotcowboy.com
>
>
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>


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[Lucas Cordiviola]

>>I know there's a Pull Request where we're discussing a cross platform 
>>consistency for Pd (DejaVu Sans Mono as default font crossplatform), but it 
>>hasn't been merged yet, right?


>No. There's still the issue of making it work on Windows which has not been 
>resolved yet. I am aware of the TWAPI extension but that is not ideal as Pd 
>shouldn't rely on too many dependencies, especially for only loading a font on 
>one platform. I may be able to get to that in a few weeks.

The windows thing will be surely resolved one way or the other 
(loading/installing dejavu) but I think that the key issue Alex was pointing is 
the pdx fonts metrics on pd-gui.tcl. This will make patches render uniformly 
also with Purr-data.



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On Jul 15, 2017, at 11:02 AM, 
pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at<mailto:pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at> wrote:

I notice it looks quite differently in Mac OS, like there is a new font, but it 
still seems it is Monaco. But the font size is smaller and the boxes are 
thinner and wider. A subpatch will also have an extra space to the right after 
the text/name of the subpatch.

You are seeing the retina rendering with a newer Tk, which still has those font 
issues as the rendered box size does not quite fit the font. I haven't been 
able to track down a fix yet.

It's weird, though, as this shouldn't be the default yet and Pd should still be 
using 8.4 which is pixelated on retina screens but has correct object sizing.

Miller, how did you build the mac distribution app?

I know there's a Pull Request where we're discussing a cross platform 
consistency for Pd (DejaVu Sans Mono as default font crossplatform), but it 
hasn't been merged yet, right?

No. There's still the issue of making it work on Windows which has not been 
resolved yet. I am aware of the TWAPI extension but that is not ideal as Pd 
shouldn't rely on too many dependencies, especially for only loading a font on 
one platform. I may be able to get to that in a few weeks.`


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[Dan Wilcox]

Also, I'm still trying to track down a fix for 
https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/issues/103 
. This should hopefully be 
ready for test2 :)


> On Jul 15, 2017, at 11:38 PM, Dan Wilcox  wrote:
> 
> For now, yeah. I've been testing builds using the included Tk Wish in the 
> mac/stuff folder ala "make app." This is still the safest & most compatible 
> version so far.
> 
> The object box sizing needs to be fixed in 8.5 / 8.6. Maybe it's as simple as 
> tweaking the font metrics only for macOS & Tk > 8.4?
> 
>> On Jul 15, 2017, at 11:35 PM, Miller Puckette > > wrote:
>> 
>> Aha... I built it with 8.5 - should I be still using 8.4?
>> 
>> cheers
>> M
>> 
>> On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 11:07:30PM +0200, Dan Wilcox wrote:
>>> 
 On Jul 15, 2017, at 11:02 AM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at 
  wrote:
 
 I notice it looks quite differently in Mac OS, like there is a new font, 
 but it still seems it is Monaco. But the font size is smaller and the 
 boxes are thinner and wider. A subpatch will also have an extra space to 
 the right after the text/name of the subpatch.
>>> 
>>> You are seeing the retina rendering with a newer Tk, which still has those 
>>> font issues as the rendered box size does not quite fit the font. I haven't 
>>> been able to track down a fix yet.
>>> 
>>> It's weird, though, as this shouldn't be the default yet and Pd should 
>>> still be using 8.4 which is pixelated on retina screens but has correct 
>>> object sizing.
>>> 
>>> Miller, how did you build the mac distribution app?
>>> 
 I know there's a Pull Request where we're discussing a cross platform 
 consistency for Pd (DejaVu Sans Mono as default font crossplatform), but 
 it hasn't been merged yet, right?
>>> 
>>> No. There's still the issue of making it work on Windows which has not been 
>>> resolved yet. I am aware of the TWAPI extension but that is not ideal as Pd 
>>> shouldn't rely on too many dependencies, especially for only loading a font 
>>> on one platform. I may be able to get to that in a few weeks.`
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> @danomatika >
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[Dan Wilcox]

For now, yeah. I've been testing builds using the included Tk Wish in the 
mac/stuff folder ala "make app." This is still the safest & most compatible 
version so far.

The object box sizing needs to be fixed in 8.5 / 8.6. Maybe it's as simple as 
tweaking the font metrics only for macOS & Tk > 8.4?

> On Jul 15, 2017, at 11:35 PM, Miller Puckette  wrote:
> 
> Aha... I built it with 8.5 - should I be still using 8.4?
> 
> cheers
> M
> 
> On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 11:07:30PM +0200, Dan Wilcox wrote:
>> 
>>> On Jul 15, 2017, at 11:02 AM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote:
>>> 
>>> I notice it looks quite differently in Mac OS, like there is a new font, 
>>> but it still seems it is Monaco. But the font size is smaller and the boxes 
>>> are thinner and wider. A subpatch will also have an extra space to the 
>>> right after the text/name of the subpatch.
>> 
>> You are seeing the retina rendering with a newer Tk, which still has those 
>> font issues as the rendered box size does not quite fit the font. I haven't 
>> been able to track down a fix yet.
>> 
>> It's weird, though, as this shouldn't be the default yet and Pd should still 
>> be using 8.4 which is pixelated on retina screens but has correct object 
>> sizing.
>> 
>> Miller, how did you build the mac distribution app?
>> 
>>> I know there's a Pull Request where we're discussing a cross platform 
>>> consistency for Pd (DejaVu Sans Mono as default font crossplatform), but it 
>>> hasn't been merged yet, right?
>> 
>> No. There's still the issue of making it work on Windows which has not been 
>> resolved yet. I am aware of the TWAPI extension but that is not ideal as Pd 
>> shouldn't rely on too many dependencies, especially for only loading a font 
>> on one platform. I may be able to get to that in a few weeks.`
>> 
>> 
>> Dan Wilcox
>> @danomatika >
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>> robotcowboy.com  > >
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[Miller Puckette]

Aha... I built it with 8.5 - should I be still using 8.4?

cheers
M

On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 11:07:30PM +0200, Dan Wilcox wrote:
> 
> > On Jul 15, 2017, at 11:02 AM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote:
> > 
> > I notice it looks quite differently in Mac OS, like there is a new font, 
> > but it still seems it is Monaco. But the font size is smaller and the boxes 
> > are thinner and wider. A subpatch will also have an extra space to the 
> > right after the text/name of the subpatch.
> 
> You are seeing the retina rendering with a newer Tk, which still has those 
> font issues as the rendered box size does not quite fit the font. I haven't 
> been able to track down a fix yet.
> 
> It's weird, though, as this shouldn't be the default yet and Pd should still 
> be using 8.4 which is pixelated on retina screens but has correct object 
> sizing.
> 
> Miller, how did you build the mac distribution app?
> 
> > I know there's a Pull Request where we're discussing a cross platform 
> > consistency for Pd (DejaVu Sans Mono as default font crossplatform), but it 
> > hasn't been merged yet, right?
> 
> No. There's still the issue of making it work on Windows which has not been 
> resolved yet. I am aware of the TWAPI extension but that is not ideal as Pd 
> shouldn't rely on too many dependencies, especially for only loading a font 
> on one platform. I may be able to get to that in a few weeks.`
> 
> 
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[Dan Wilcox]

I've added  a macOS 32bit 0.48.0-test1 build using the normal (old, included) 
Tk 8.4 wish: http://docs.danomatika.com/pdbuilds/ 


>> On Jul 15, 2017, at 11:02 AM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I notice it looks quite differently in Mac OS, like there is a new font, but 
>> it still seems it is Monaco. But the font size is smaller and the boxes are 
>> thinner and wider. A subpatch will also have an extra space to the right 
>> after the text/name of the subpatch.
> 
> You are seeing the retina rendering with a newer Tk, which still has those 
> font issues as the rendered box size does not quite fit the font. I haven't 
> been able to track down a fix yet.
> 
> It's weird, though, as this shouldn't be the default yet and Pd should still 
> be using 8.4 which is pixelated on retina screens but has correct object 
> sizing.
> 
> Miller, how did you build the mac distribution app?


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[Dan Wilcox]

Simple answer: looks like the mac folder is missing in the source distribution 
tarball.

> On Jul 15, 2017, at 11:02 AM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote:
> 
> autogen fail on ubuntu linux 16.04 for me :
> 
> chnry@hnry:~/pd/pd$ ./autogen.sh
> autoreconf: Entering directory `.'
> autoreconf: configure.ac: not using Gettext
> autoreconf: running: aclocal --force -I m4/generated -I m4
> autoreconf: configure.ac: tracing
> autoreconf: running: libtoolize --copy --force
> libtoolize: putting auxiliary files in AC_CONFIG_AUX_DIR, 'm4/config'.
> libtoolize: copying file 'm4/config/ltmain.sh'
> libtoolize: putting macros in AC_CONFIG_MACRO_DIRS, 'm4/generated'.
> libtoolize: copying file 'm4/generated/libtool.m4'
> libtoolize: copying file 'm4/generated/ltoptions.m4'
> libtoolize: copying file 'm4/generated/ltsugar.m4'
> libtoolize: copying file 'm4/generated/ltversion.m4'
> libtoolize: copying file 'm4/generated/lt~obsolete.m4'
> autoreconf: running: /usr/bin/autoconf --force
> autoreconf: configure.ac: not using Autoheader
> autoreconf: running: automake --add-missing --copy --force-missing
> configure.ac:164: installing 'm4/config/compile'
> configure.ac:9: installing 'm4/config/missing'
> configure.ac:492: error: required file 'mac/Makefile.in' not found
> Makefile.am:45: error: required directory ./mac does not exist
> Makefile.am:48: error: required directory ./mac does not exist
> asio/Makefile.am: installing 'm4/config/depcomp'
> autoreconf: automake failed with exit status: 1
> 
> 
> cheers
> c


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[Dan Wilcox]

> On Jul 15, 2017, at 11:02 AM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote:
> 
> I notice it looks quite differently in Mac OS, like there is a new font, but 
> it still seems it is Monaco. But the font size is smaller and the boxes are 
> thinner and wider. A subpatch will also have an extra space to the right 
> after the text/name of the subpatch.

You are seeing the retina rendering with a newer Tk, which still has those font 
issues as the rendered box size does not quite fit the font. I haven't been 
able to track down a fix yet.

It's weird, though, as this shouldn't be the default yet and Pd should still be 
using 8.4 which is pixelated on retina screens but has correct object sizing.

Miller, how did you build the mac distribution app?

> I know there's a Pull Request where we're discussing a cross platform 
> consistency for Pd (DejaVu Sans Mono as default font crossplatform), but it 
> hasn't been merged yet, right?

No. There's still the issue of making it work on Windows which has not been 
resolved yet. I am aware of the TWAPI extension but that is not ideal as Pd 
shouldn't rely on too many dependencies, especially for only loading a font on 
one platform. I may be able to get to that in a few weeks.`


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[Dan Wilcox]

You can also print the plist contents in Terminal with:

# pd
defaults read org.puredata.pd.plist

&

# pd gui
defaults read org.puredata.pd-gui.plist

> On Jul 15, 2017, at 7:19 PM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote:
> 
> From: "me.grimm" <megr...@gmail.com <mailto:megr...@gmail.com>>
> Subject: Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released
> Date: July 15, 2017 at 7:19:39 PM GMT+2
> To: Miller Puckette <m...@ucsd.edu <mailto:m...@ucsd.edu>>
> Cc: pd_list Listserve <pd-l...@iem.at <mailto:pd-l...@iem.at>>
> 
> 
> yeah sure. old plist:
> 
> // !!! BINARY PROPERTY LIST WARNING !!!
> //
> // The pretty-printed property list below has been created
> // from a binary version on disk and should not be saved as
> // the ASCII format is a subset of the binary representation!
> //
> { audioapi = "4";
>   audiobuf = "5";
>   "audioindev1" = "0 2";
>   "audioindevname1" = "Built-in Microph";
>   "audiooutdev1" = "0 2";
>   "audiooutdevname1" = "Built-in Output";
>   blocksize = "64";
>   callback = "0";
>   defeatrt = "0";
>   flags = "";
>   "loadlib1" = "Gem";
>   nloadlib = "1";
>   noaudioin = "False";
>   noaudioout = "False";
>   nomidiin = "True";
>   nomidiout = "True";
>   npath = "1";
>   "path1" = "/Users/megrimm/Library/Pd/Gem";
>   rate = "44100";
>   standardpath = "1";
>   verbose = "0";
>   zoom = "1";
> }


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[Dan Wilcox]

I already has been.

Retina changes are dependent on using a newer Tk. See mac/README.txt for how to 
build Pd with a newer Tk Wish. Note: The current TK downloads crash on start on 
macOS 10.12, so build Tk from git. 

> On Jul 15, 2017, at 8:18 PM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote:
> 
> From: "me.grimm" <megr...@gmail.com <mailto:megr...@gmail.com>>
> Subject: Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released
> Date: July 15, 2017 at 7:28:34 PM GMT+2
> To: Miller Puckette <m...@ucsd.edu <mailto:m...@ucsd.edu>>
> Cc: pd_list Listserve <pd-l...@iem.at <mailto:pd-l...@iem.at>>
> 
> 
> >> dans retina changes
> 
> ah i see now there is a specific branch for this. can the 
> osx-retina-support branch be merged with master?
> 
> thanks!
> m


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released / windows souncard name

[Lucas Cordiviola]

Hi Miller,

The new pref file is super!, we can load on the fly & get our new paths.

I'm on my girlfriend's win7 machine:

I’m having trouble with the characters on soundcard name (both in the GUI, 
stderr or preffile):



- - - - - - -
0.48:


pd\bin>pd -listdev -stderr
ˆò(ˆò(.audio input devices:
0. .
audio output devices:
0.
API number 3

no midi input devices found
MIDI output devices:
1. Microsoft MIDI Mapper
2. Microsoft GS Wavetable Synth
#űi#ø##űi#ø###

- - - - - - - - -
0.47.1:


pd\bin>pd -listdev -stderr
audio input devices:
0. Microphone (High Definition Aud
audio output devices:
0. Speakers (High Definition Audio
API number 3

no midi input devices found
MIDI output devices:
1. Microsoft MIDI Mapper
2. Microsoft GS Wavetable Synth


- - - - - -
my pref file on 0.48:

audioapi: 3
noaudioin: False
audioindev1: 0 2
audioindevname1: ,
noaudioout: False
audiooutdev1: 0 2
audiooutdevname1: ?
audiobuf: 80
rate: 44100
callback: 0
blocksize: 64
midiapi: 0
nomidiin: True
nomidiout: True
npath: 0
standardpath: 1
verbose: 0
nloadlib: 0
defeatrt: 0
flags:
zoom: 1




Mensaje telepatico asistido por maquinas.



From: Pd-list <pd-list-boun...@lists.iem.at> on behalf of Miller Puckette 
<m...@ucsd.edu>
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 11:34 PM
To: pd-annou...@iem.at
Subject: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

To Pd-announce:

The first test version of Pd 0.48 (source, adn compiled versions for
MacOS and Windows) is available at:

http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm


or (source code only) via github:

https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data


cheers
Miller

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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[JTG III]

I also got rid of the plots, which also solved my problem, I may have
deleted mine, though.I'll check when I get back home in an hour or so, but
off the top of my head, there would have been Gem and iemlib, and really I
think that's about it, so maybe it's Gem?

On Jul 15, 2017 1:30 PM, "me.grimm"  wrote:

> >> dans retina changes
>
> ah i see now there is a specific branch for this. can the 
> osx-retina-support
> branch be merged with master?
>
> thanks!
> m
>
> On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 1:23 PM, me.grimm  wrote:
>
>> also i wonder if its possible to compile with dans retina changes. i can
>> not remember off tip of head but i "think" this was using tc/tcl 8.6? I
>> attached image. bottom is old 0.47.1 compile and top is recent compile. i
>> did not see anything specific to this in pull requests.
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 1:19 PM, me.grimm  wrote:
>>
>>> yeah sure. old plist:
>>>
>>> // !!! BINARY PROPERTY LIST WARNING !!!
>>> //
>>> // The pretty-printed property list below has been created
>>> // from a binary version on disk and should not be saved as
>>> // the ASCII format is a subset of the binary representation!
>>> //
>>> { audioapi = "4";
>>> audiobuf = "5";
>>> "audioindev1" = "0 2";
>>> "audioindevname1" = "Built-in Microph";
>>> "audiooutdev1" = "0 2";
>>> "audiooutdevname1" = "Built-in Output";
>>> blocksize = "64";
>>> callback = "0";
>>> defeatrt = "0";
>>> flags = "";
>>> "loadlib1" = "Gem";
>>> nloadlib = "1";
>>> noaudioin = "False";
>>> noaudioout = "False";
>>> nomidiin = "True";
>>> nomidiout = "True";
>>> npath = "1";
>>> "path1" = "/Users/megrimm/Library/Pd/Gem";
>>> rate = "44100";
>>> standardpath = "1";
>>> verbose = "0";
>>> zoom = "1";
>>> }
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 1:12 PM, Miller Puckette  wrote:
>>>
 OK, so my guess is that Pd is crashing when it tries to load
 preferences.
 You didn't by any chance keep a copy of the old "plist" files did you?

 Perhaps it's an attempt to load external libraries that are no longer
 compatible for some reason.  I need to find a way to get Pd to survive
 when "bad" binaries get oaded into it :)

 M

 On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 01:05:51PM -0400, me.grimm wrote:
 > hmmm bot seem to start fine now (after I removed
 org.puredata.pd.plist
 > and org.puredata.pd.pd-gui.plist)... although cli output is
 different with
 > error from 64bit:
 >
 > megrimm-mbp:Desktop megrimm$ Pd-0.48-0test1.app/Contents/Re
 sources/bin/pd
 >
 > Pt_Start() called
 >
 > pdsend errorname: >>error writing "sock6": broken pipe<<
 >
 > megrimm-mbp:Desktop megrimm$
 > Pd-0.48-0test1-32bit.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd
 >
 > Pt_Start() called
 >
 > ^CPd: signal 2
 >
 > gui socket 4 - closing audio...
 >
 > closing MIDI...
 >
 > ... done.
 >
 > On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 1:00 PM, Miller Puckette 
 wrote:
 >
 > > Hmm...  CAn either or both of you try it from a terminal window and
 show me
 > > what error messages you're getting?  To do that, open a "terminal"
 window
 > > and type a command like:
 > >
 > > /Users/msp/build/Pd-0.48-0test1.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd
 > >
 > > (substituting your local path to Pd for the one I used above)
 > >
 > > You should see some complaints you can paste into an e-mail :)
 > >
 > > M
 > >
 > > On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 12:47:08PM -0400, me.grimm wrote:
 > > > >> The 32 but Mac version just keeps crashing as it opens for me.
 The
 > > > 64bits version seems to work fine.
 > > >
 > > > i think its the opposite (at least for me). 64bit crashes and
 32bit
 > > > opens on OSX 10.12
 > > >
 > > > m
 > > >
 > > > On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 6:04 AM, JTG III
  > com>
 > > > wrote:
 > > >
 > > > > The 32 but Mac version just keeps crashing as it opens for me.
 The
 > > 64bits
 > > > > version seems to work fine.
 > > > >
 > > > > I'll try it out on a windows machine in a little while.
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[me.grimm]

>> dans retina changes

ah i see now there is a specific branch for this. can the
osx-retina-support
branch be merged with master?

thanks!
m

On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 1:23 PM, me.grimm  wrote:

> also i wonder if its possible to compile with dans retina changes. i can
> not remember off tip of head but i "think" this was using tc/tcl 8.6? I
> attached image. bottom is old 0.47.1 compile and top is recent compile. i
> did not see anything specific to this in pull requests.
>
> On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 1:19 PM, me.grimm  wrote:
>
>> yeah sure. old plist:
>>
>> // !!! BINARY PROPERTY LIST WARNING !!!
>> //
>> // The pretty-printed property list below has been created
>> // from a binary version on disk and should not be saved as
>> // the ASCII format is a subset of the binary representation!
>> //
>> { audioapi = "4";
>> audiobuf = "5";
>> "audioindev1" = "0 2";
>> "audioindevname1" = "Built-in Microph";
>> "audiooutdev1" = "0 2";
>> "audiooutdevname1" = "Built-in Output";
>> blocksize = "64";
>> callback = "0";
>> defeatrt = "0";
>> flags = "";
>> "loadlib1" = "Gem";
>> nloadlib = "1";
>> noaudioin = "False";
>> noaudioout = "False";
>> nomidiin = "True";
>> nomidiout = "True";
>> npath = "1";
>> "path1" = "/Users/megrimm/Library/Pd/Gem";
>> rate = "44100";
>> standardpath = "1";
>> verbose = "0";
>> zoom = "1";
>> }
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 1:12 PM, Miller Puckette  wrote:
>>
>>> OK, so my guess is that Pd is crashing when it tries to load preferences.
>>> You didn't by any chance keep a copy of the old "plist" files did you?
>>>
>>> Perhaps it's an attempt to load external libraries that are no longer
>>> compatible for some reason.  I need to find a way to get Pd to survive
>>> when "bad" binaries get oaded into it :)
>>>
>>> M
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 01:05:51PM -0400, me.grimm wrote:
>>> > hmmm bot seem to start fine now (after I removed
>>> org.puredata.pd.plist
>>> > and org.puredata.pd.pd-gui.plist)... although cli output is different
>>> with
>>> > error from 64bit:
>>> >
>>> > megrimm-mbp:Desktop megrimm$ Pd-0.48-0test1.app/Contents/Re
>>> sources/bin/pd
>>> >
>>> > Pt_Start() called
>>> >
>>> > pdsend errorname: >>error writing "sock6": broken pipe<<
>>> >
>>> > megrimm-mbp:Desktop megrimm$
>>> > Pd-0.48-0test1-32bit.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd
>>> >
>>> > Pt_Start() called
>>> >
>>> > ^CPd: signal 2
>>> >
>>> > gui socket 4 - closing audio...
>>> >
>>> > closing MIDI...
>>> >
>>> > ... done.
>>> >
>>> > On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 1:00 PM, Miller Puckette  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Hmm...  CAn either or both of you try it from a terminal window and
>>> show me
>>> > > what error messages you're getting?  To do that, open a "terminal"
>>> window
>>> > > and type a command like:
>>> > >
>>> > > /Users/msp/build/Pd-0.48-0test1.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd
>>> > >
>>> > > (substituting your local path to Pd for the one I used above)
>>> > >
>>> > > You should see some complaints you can paste into an e-mail :)
>>> > >
>>> > > M
>>> > >
>>> > > On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 12:47:08PM -0400, me.grimm wrote:
>>> > > > >> The 32 but Mac version just keeps crashing as it opens for me.
>>> The
>>> > > > 64bits version seems to work fine.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > i think its the opposite (at least for me). 64bit crashes and 32bit
>>> > > > opens on OSX 10.12
>>> > > >
>>> > > > m
>>> > > >
>>> > > > On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 6:04 AM, JTG III
>>> >> > > com>
>>> > > > wrote:
>>> > > >
>>> > > > > The 32 but Mac version just keeps crashing as it opens for me.
>>> The
>>> > > 64bits
>>> > > > > version seems to work fine.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > I'll try it out on a windows machine in a little while.
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[me.grimm]

yeah sure. old plist:

// !!! BINARY PROPERTY LIST WARNING !!!
//
// The pretty-printed property list below has been created
// from a binary version on disk and should not be saved as
// the ASCII format is a subset of the binary representation!
//
{ audioapi = "4";
audiobuf = "5";
"audioindev1" = "0 2";
"audioindevname1" = "Built-in Microph";
"audiooutdev1" = "0 2";
"audiooutdevname1" = "Built-in Output";
blocksize = "64";
callback = "0";
defeatrt = "0";
flags = "";
"loadlib1" = "Gem";
nloadlib = "1";
noaudioin = "False";
noaudioout = "False";
nomidiin = "True";
nomidiout = "True";
npath = "1";
"path1" = "/Users/megrimm/Library/Pd/Gem";
rate = "44100";
standardpath = "1";
verbose = "0";
zoom = "1";
}

On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 1:12 PM, Miller Puckette  wrote:

> OK, so my guess is that Pd is crashing when it tries to load preferences.
> You didn't by any chance keep a copy of the old "plist" files did you?
>
> Perhaps it's an attempt to load external libraries that are no longer
> compatible for some reason.  I need to find a way to get Pd to survive
> when "bad" binaries get oaded into it :)
>
> M
>
> On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 01:05:51PM -0400, me.grimm wrote:
> > hmmm bot seem to start fine now (after I removed
> org.puredata.pd.plist
> > and org.puredata.pd.pd-gui.plist)... although cli output is different
> with
> > error from 64bit:
> >
> > megrimm-mbp:Desktop megrimm$ Pd-0.48-0test1.app/Contents/
> Resources/bin/pd
> >
> > Pt_Start() called
> >
> > pdsend errorname: >>error writing "sock6": broken pipe<<
> >
> > megrimm-mbp:Desktop megrimm$
> > Pd-0.48-0test1-32bit.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd
> >
> > Pt_Start() called
> >
> > ^CPd: signal 2
> >
> > gui socket 4 - closing audio...
> >
> > closing MIDI...
> >
> > ... done.
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 1:00 PM, Miller Puckette  wrote:
> >
> > > Hmm...  CAn either or both of you try it from a terminal window and
> show me
> > > what error messages you're getting?  To do that, open a "terminal"
> window
> > > and type a command like:
> > >
> > > /Users/msp/build/Pd-0.48-0test1.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd
> > >
> > > (substituting your local path to Pd for the one I used above)
> > >
> > > You should see some complaints you can paste into an e-mail :)
> > >
> > > M
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 12:47:08PM -0400, me.grimm wrote:
> > > > >> The 32 but Mac version just keeps crashing as it opens for me. The
> > > > 64bits version seems to work fine.
> > > >
> > > > i think its the opposite (at least for me). 64bit crashes and 32bit
> > > > opens on OSX 10.12
> > > >
> > > > m
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 6:04 AM, JTG III
>  > > com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The 32 but Mac version just keeps crashing as it opens for me. The
> > > 64bits
> > > > > version seems to work fine.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'll try it out on a windows machine in a little while.
> > > > >
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[Miller Puckette]

OK, so my guess is that Pd is crashing when it tries to load preferences.
You didn't by any chance keep a copy of the old "plist" files did you?

Perhaps it's an attempt to load external libraries that are no longer
compatible for some reason.  I need to find a way to get Pd to survive
when "bad" binaries get oaded into it :)

M

On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 01:05:51PM -0400, me.grimm wrote:
> hmmm bot seem to start fine now (after I removed org.puredata.pd.plist
> and org.puredata.pd.pd-gui.plist)... although cli output is different with
> error from 64bit:
> 
> megrimm-mbp:Desktop megrimm$ Pd-0.48-0test1.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd
> 
> Pt_Start() called
> 
> pdsend errorname: >>error writing "sock6": broken pipe<<
> 
> megrimm-mbp:Desktop megrimm$
> Pd-0.48-0test1-32bit.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd
> 
> Pt_Start() called
> 
> ^CPd: signal 2
> 
> gui socket 4 - closing audio...
> 
> closing MIDI...
> 
> ... done.
> 
> On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 1:00 PM, Miller Puckette  wrote:
> 
> > Hmm...  CAn either or both of you try it from a terminal window and show me
> > what error messages you're getting?  To do that, open a "terminal" window
> > and type a command like:
> >
> > /Users/msp/build/Pd-0.48-0test1.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd
> >
> > (substituting your local path to Pd for the one I used above)
> >
> > You should see some complaints you can paste into an e-mail :)
> >
> > M
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 12:47:08PM -0400, me.grimm wrote:
> > > >> The 32 but Mac version just keeps crashing as it opens for me. The
> > > 64bits version seems to work fine.
> > >
> > > i think its the opposite (at least for me). 64bit crashes and 32bit
> > > opens on OSX 10.12
> > >
> > > m
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 6:04 AM, JTG III  > com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > The 32 but Mac version just keeps crashing as it opens for me. The
> > 64bits
> > > > version seems to work fine.
> > > >
> > > > I'll try it out on a windows machine in a little while.
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[me.grimm]

i realized 64bit version possibly crashing due to trying to load Gem
because after delete pref file pd opens and when i try to load it does not.
Gem was compiled agains 0.47.1 so I assume it was some where in there the
prob lies. thus with Gem lib:

megrimm-mbp:Desktop megrimm$ Pd-0.48-0test1.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd

Pt_Start() called

Pd: signal 4

gui socket 4 - closing audio...

closing MIDI...

... done.

On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 1:05 PM, me.grimm  wrote:

> hmmm bot seem to start fine now (after I removed org.puredata.pd.plist
> and org.puredata.pd.pd-gui.plist)... although cli output is different
> with error from 64bit:
>
> megrimm-mbp:Desktop megrimm$ Pd-0.48-0test1.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd
>
> Pt_Start() called
>
> pdsend errorname: >>error writing "sock6": broken pipe<<
>
> megrimm-mbp:Desktop megrimm$ Pd-0.48-0test1-32bit.app/
> Contents/Resources/bin/pd
>
> Pt_Start() called
>
> ^CPd: signal 2
>
> gui socket 4 - closing audio...
>
> closing MIDI...
>
> ... done.
>
> On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 1:00 PM, Miller Puckette  wrote:
>
>> Hmm...  CAn either or both of you try it from a terminal window and show
>> me
>> what error messages you're getting?  To do that, open a "terminal" window
>> and type a command like:
>>
>> /Users/msp/build/Pd-0.48-0test1.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd
>>
>> (substituting your local path to Pd for the one I used above)
>>
>> You should see some complaints you can paste into an e-mail :)
>>
>> M
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 12:47:08PM -0400, me.grimm wrote:
>> > >> The 32 but Mac version just keeps crashing as it opens for me. The
>> > 64bits version seems to work fine.
>> >
>> > i think its the opposite (at least for me). 64bit crashes and 32bit
>> > opens on OSX 10.12
>> >
>> > m
>> >
>> > On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 6:04 AM, JTG III > com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > The 32 but Mac version just keeps crashing as it opens for me. The
>> 64bits
>> > > version seems to work fine.
>> > >
>> > > I'll try it out on a windows machine in a little while.
>> > >
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[me.grimm]

hmmm bot seem to start fine now (after I removed org.puredata.pd.plist
and org.puredata.pd.pd-gui.plist)... although cli output is different with
error from 64bit:

megrimm-mbp:Desktop megrimm$ Pd-0.48-0test1.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd

Pt_Start() called

pdsend errorname: >>error writing "sock6": broken pipe<<

megrimm-mbp:Desktop megrimm$
Pd-0.48-0test1-32bit.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd

Pt_Start() called

^CPd: signal 2

gui socket 4 - closing audio...

closing MIDI...

... done.

On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 1:00 PM, Miller Puckette  wrote:

> Hmm...  CAn either or both of you try it from a terminal window and show me
> what error messages you're getting?  To do that, open a "terminal" window
> and type a command like:
>
> /Users/msp/build/Pd-0.48-0test1.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd
>
> (substituting your local path to Pd for the one I used above)
>
> You should see some complaints you can paste into an e-mail :)
>
> M
>
> On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 12:47:08PM -0400, me.grimm wrote:
> > >> The 32 but Mac version just keeps crashing as it opens for me. The
> > 64bits version seems to work fine.
> >
> > i think its the opposite (at least for me). 64bit crashes and 32bit
> > opens on OSX 10.12
> >
> > m
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 6:04 AM, JTG III  com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > The 32 but Mac version just keeps crashing as it opens for me. The
> 64bits
> > > version seems to work fine.
> > >
> > > I'll try it out on a windows machine in a little while.
> > >
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[Miller Puckette]

I've had some confusion trying to save search paths in windows before - I'll
see if I can reproduce that here.

You can simply save all your preferences to a file - this will be a text file
that you can look at and edit.  And/or you can load preferences from a file.
This is so that, if you want to customize preferences on a patch-by-patch
basis, you can at least load them manually.  On startup, if you start
Pd "directly" (pd.exe, and not from the wish shell), you can add teh argument,
"-prefsfile  to cause Pd to open preferences from a file instead of
the system ("registry") preferences.

cheers
Miller

On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 09:02:21AM +, Liam Goodacre wrote:
> In Windows 10, I'm finding that the search paths won't save. However, there 
> are also some new saving options for preferences which I don't understand. 
> Could you go over what has changed here?
> 
> 
> 
> From: Pd-list <pd-list-boun...@lists.iem.at> on behalf of Miller Puckette 
> <m...@ucsd.edu>
> Sent: 15 July 2017 00:34
> To: pd-annou...@iem.at
> Subject: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released
> 
> To Pd-announce:
> 
> The first test version of Pd 0.48 (source, adn compiled versions for
> MacOS and Windows) is available at:
> 
> http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm
> Software by Miller Puckette<http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm>
> msp.ucsd.edu
> Software by Miller Puckette. See also http://puredata.info/ for a 
> community-maintained website with pointers to many related resources: 
> add-ons, extensions, other ...
> 
> 
> 
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> or (source code only) via github:
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[Miller Puckette]

Hmm...  CAn either or both of you try it from a terminal window and show me
what error messages you're getting?  To do that, open a "terminal" window
and type a command like:

/Users/msp/build/Pd-0.48-0test1.app/Contents/Resources/bin/pd

(substituting your local path to Pd for the one I used above)

You should see some complaints you can paste into an e-mail :)

M

On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 12:47:08PM -0400, me.grimm wrote:
> >> The 32 but Mac version just keeps crashing as it opens for me. The
> 64bits version seems to work fine.
> 
> i think its the opposite (at least for me). 64bit crashes and 32bit
> opens on OSX 10.12
> 
> m
> 
> On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 6:04 AM, JTG III 
> wrote:
> 
> > The 32 but Mac version just keeps crashing as it opens for me. The 64bits
> > version seems to work fine.
> >
> > I'll try it out on a windows machine in a little while.
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[Miller Puckette]

... if Pd is then starting up OK you can ignore these messages, although
you migth get better real-time behavior if you configure the OS to allow
the memory locking.  On my machine at least, this is done in
/etc/security/limits.conf.  I've added these lines:

* - rtprio 99
* - memlock 10

I think the first one is no longer needed on most systems since
any emmber of group 'audio' seems to get "rtprio" permission already.
But perhaps the second line is still worth putting in.

(About the ./mac problems other are reporting: I can't immediately figure
out what's wrong - the autogen scene is past my understanding - I hope the
experts will chime in :)

cheers
Miller


On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 01:38:47PM +0200, ub@xdv wrote:
> #55dab3f builds for me on ubuntu 16.04 but on start says:
> 
> Cannot lock down 1186 byte memory area (Operation not permitted)
> Cannot lock down 82274202 byte memory area (Operation not permitted)
> Cannot lock down 422 byte memory area (Operation not permitted)
> 
> cheers,
> u
> 
> On 15.07.2017 09:49, cyrille henry wrote:
> > autogen fail on ubuntu linux 16.04 for me :
> > 
> > chnry@hnry:~/pd/pd$ ./autogen.sh
> > autoreconf: Entering directory `.'
> > autoreconf: configure.ac: not using Gettext
> > autoreconf: running: aclocal --force -I m4/generated -I m4
> > autoreconf: configure.ac: tracing
> > autoreconf: running: libtoolize --copy --force
> > libtoolize: putting auxiliary files in AC_CONFIG_AUX_DIR, 'm4/config'.
> > libtoolize: copying file 'm4/config/ltmain.sh'
> > libtoolize: putting macros in AC_CONFIG_MACRO_DIRS, 'm4/generated'.
> > libtoolize: copying file 'm4/generated/libtool.m4'
> > libtoolize: copying file 'm4/generated/ltoptions.m4'
> > libtoolize: copying file 'm4/generated/ltsugar.m4'
> > libtoolize: copying file 'm4/generated/ltversion.m4'
> > libtoolize: copying file 'm4/generated/lt~obsolete.m4'
> > autoreconf: running: /usr/bin/autoconf --force
> > autoreconf: configure.ac: not using Autoheader
> > autoreconf: running: automake --add-missing --copy --force-missing
> > configure.ac:164: installing 'm4/config/compile'
> > configure.ac:9: installing 'm4/config/missing'
> > configure.ac:492: error: required file 'mac/Makefile.in' not found
> > Makefile.am:45: error: required directory ./mac does not exist
> > Makefile.am:48: error: required directory ./mac does not exist
> > asio/Makefile.am: installing 'm4/config/depcomp'
> > autoreconf: automake failed with exit status: 1
> > 
> > 
> > cheers
> > c
> > 
> > Le 15/07/2017 à 01:34, Miller Puckette a écrit :
> >> To Pd-announce:
> >>
> >> The first test version of Pd 0.48 (source, adn compiled versions for
> >> MacOS and Windows) is available at:
> >>
> >> http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm
> >>
> >> or (source code only) via github:
> >>
> >> https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data
> >>
> >> cheers
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[me.grimm]

>> The 32 but Mac version just keeps crashing as it opens for me. The
64bits version seems to work fine.

i think its the opposite (at least for me). 64bit crashes and 32bit
opens on OSX 10.12

m

On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 6:04 AM, JTG III 
wrote:

> The 32 but Mac version just keeps crashing as it opens for me. The 64bits
> version seems to work fine.
>
> I'll try it out on a windows machine in a little while.
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[Miller Puckette]

I had to do it by hand for some reason.. can you check and see if I missed
something?  In s_stuff.h we now have this:

EXTERN t_namelist *namelist_append_files(t_namelist *listwas, const char *s);

cheers
M

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> Hi Miller,
> 
> do you think it's possible to merge this
> https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/94 before releasing ?
> this PR just export `namelist_append_file` and this let 3rd party library
> to add folder to their search path (ie for example and help files)
> 
> thanks,
> 
> Antoine
> 
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> 
> 2017-07-15 12:04 GMT+02:00 JTG III :
> 
> > The 32 but Mac version just keeps crashing as it opens for me. The 64bits
> > version seems to work fine.
> >
> > I'll try it out on a windows machine in a little while.
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[ub@xdv]

#55dab3f builds for me on ubuntu 16.04 but on start says:

Cannot lock down 1186 byte memory area (Operation not permitted)
Cannot lock down 82274202 byte memory area (Operation not permitted)
Cannot lock down 422 byte memory area (Operation not permitted)

cheers,
u

On 15.07.2017 09:49, cyrille henry wrote:
> autogen fail on ubuntu linux 16.04 for me :
> 
> chnry@hnry:~/pd/pd$ ./autogen.sh
> autoreconf: Entering directory `.'
> autoreconf: configure.ac: not using Gettext
> autoreconf: running: aclocal --force -I m4/generated -I m4
> autoreconf: configure.ac: tracing
> autoreconf: running: libtoolize --copy --force
> libtoolize: putting auxiliary files in AC_CONFIG_AUX_DIR, 'm4/config'.
> libtoolize: copying file 'm4/config/ltmain.sh'
> libtoolize: putting macros in AC_CONFIG_MACRO_DIRS, 'm4/generated'.
> libtoolize: copying file 'm4/generated/libtool.m4'
> libtoolize: copying file 'm4/generated/ltoptions.m4'
> libtoolize: copying file 'm4/generated/ltsugar.m4'
> libtoolize: copying file 'm4/generated/ltversion.m4'
> libtoolize: copying file 'm4/generated/lt~obsolete.m4'
> autoreconf: running: /usr/bin/autoconf --force
> autoreconf: configure.ac: not using Autoheader
> autoreconf: running: automake --add-missing --copy --force-missing
> configure.ac:164: installing 'm4/config/compile'
> configure.ac:9: installing 'm4/config/missing'
> configure.ac:492: error: required file 'mac/Makefile.in' not found
> Makefile.am:45: error: required directory ./mac does not exist
> Makefile.am:48: error: required directory ./mac does not exist
> asio/Makefile.am: installing 'm4/config/depcomp'
> autoreconf: automake failed with exit status: 1
> 
> 
> cheers
> c
> 
> Le 15/07/2017 à 01:34, Miller Puckette a écrit :
>> To Pd-announce:
>>
>> The first test version of Pd 0.48 (source, adn compiled versions for
>> MacOS and Windows) is available at:
>>
>> http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm
>>
>> or (source code only) via github:
>>
>> https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data
>>
>> cheers
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[Antoine Villeret]

Hi Miller,

do you think it's possible to merge this
https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/94 before releasing ?
this PR just export `namelist_append_file` and this let 3rd party library
to add folder to their search path (ie for example and help files)

thanks,

Antoine

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2017-07-15 12:04 GMT+02:00 JTG III :

> The 32 but Mac version just keeps crashing as it opens for me. The 64bits
> version seems to work fine.
>
> I'll try it out on a windows machine in a little while.
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[JTG III]

The 32 but Mac version just keeps crashing as it opens for me. The 64bits
version seems to work fine.

I'll try it out on a windows machine in a little while.
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[Liam Goodacre]

In Windows 10, I'm finding that the search paths won't save. However, there are 
also some new saving options for preferences which I don't understand. Could 
you go over what has changed here?



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Subject: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

To Pd-announce:

The first test version of Pd 0.48 (source, adn compiled versions for
MacOS and Windows) is available at:

http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[baptiste chatel]

same as Cyrille with ubuntu 17.04 64

2017-07-15 9:49 GMT+02:00 cyrille henry :

> autogen fail on ubuntu linux 16.04 for me :
>
> chnry@hnry:~/pd/pd$ ./autogen.sh
> autoreconf: Entering directory `.'
> autoreconf: configure.ac: not using Gettext
> autoreconf: running: aclocal --force -I m4/generated -I m4
> autoreconf: configure.ac: tracing
> autoreconf: running: libtoolize --copy --force
> libtoolize: putting auxiliary files in AC_CONFIG_AUX_DIR, 'm4/config'.
> libtoolize: copying file 'm4/config/ltmain.sh'
> libtoolize: putting macros in AC_CONFIG_MACRO_DIRS, 'm4/generated'.
> libtoolize: copying file 'm4/generated/libtool.m4'
> libtoolize: copying file 'm4/generated/ltoptions.m4'
> libtoolize: copying file 'm4/generated/ltsugar.m4'
> libtoolize: copying file 'm4/generated/ltversion.m4'
> libtoolize: copying file 'm4/generated/lt~obsolete.m4'
> autoreconf: running: /usr/bin/autoconf --force
> autoreconf: configure.ac: not using Autoheader
> autoreconf: running: automake --add-missing --copy --force-missing
> configure.ac:164: installing 'm4/config/compile'
> configure.ac:9: installing 'm4/config/missing'
> configure.ac:492: error: required file 'mac/Makefile.in' not found
> Makefile.am:45: error: required directory ./mac does not exist
> Makefile.am:48: error: required directory ./mac does not exist
> asio/Makefile.am: installing 'm4/config/depcomp'
> autoreconf: automake failed with exit status: 1
>
>
> cheers
> c
>
>
> Le 15/07/2017 à 01:34, Miller Puckette a écrit :
>
>> To Pd-announce:
>>
>> The first test version of Pd 0.48 (source, adn compiled versions for
>> MacOS and Windows) is available at:
>>
>> http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm
>>
>> or (source code only) via github:
>>
>> https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data
>>
>> cheers
>> Miller
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[cyrille henry]

autogen fail on ubuntu linux 16.04 for me :

chnry@hnry:~/pd/pd$ ./autogen.sh
autoreconf: Entering directory `.'
autoreconf: configure.ac: not using Gettext
autoreconf: running: aclocal --force -I m4/generated -I m4
autoreconf: configure.ac: tracing
autoreconf: running: libtoolize --copy --force
libtoolize: putting auxiliary files in AC_CONFIG_AUX_DIR, 'm4/config'.
libtoolize: copying file 'm4/config/ltmain.sh'
libtoolize: putting macros in AC_CONFIG_MACRO_DIRS, 'm4/generated'.
libtoolize: copying file 'm4/generated/libtool.m4'
libtoolize: copying file 'm4/generated/ltoptions.m4'
libtoolize: copying file 'm4/generated/ltsugar.m4'
libtoolize: copying file 'm4/generated/ltversion.m4'
libtoolize: copying file 'm4/generated/lt~obsolete.m4'
autoreconf: running: /usr/bin/autoconf --force
autoreconf: configure.ac: not using Autoheader
autoreconf: running: automake --add-missing --copy --force-missing
configure.ac:164: installing 'm4/config/compile'
configure.ac:9: installing 'm4/config/missing'
configure.ac:492: error: required file 'mac/Makefile.in' not found
Makefile.am:45: error: required directory ./mac does not exist
Makefile.am:48: error: required directory ./mac does not exist
asio/Makefile.am: installing 'm4/config/depcomp'
autoreconf: automake failed with exit status: 1


cheers
c

Le 15/07/2017 à 01:34, Miller Puckette a écrit :

To Pd-announce:

The first test version of Pd 0.48 (source, adn compiled versions for
MacOS and Windows) is available at:

http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm

or (source code only) via github:

https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data

cheers
Miller

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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

Awesome!

I notice it looks quite differently in Mac OS, like there is a new font,
but it still seems it is Monaco. But the font size is smaller and the boxes
are thinner and wider. A subpatch will also have an extra space to the
right after the text/name of the subpatch.

I know there's a Pull Request where we're discussing a cross platform
consistency for Pd (DejaVu Sans Mono as default font crossplatform), but it
hasn't been merged yet, right?

cheers



2017-07-14 20:34 GMT-03:00 Miller Puckette :

> To Pd-announce:
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> The first test version of Pd 0.48 (source, adn compiled versions for
> MacOS and Windows) is available at:
>
> http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm
>
> or (source code only) via github:
>
> https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data
>
> cheers
> Miller
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[PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.48-0test1 released

[Miller Puckette]

To Pd-announce:

The first test version of Pd 0.48 (source, adn compiled versions for
MacOS and Windows) is available at:

http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm

or (source code only) via github:

https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data

cheers
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