Doskocil Case

2002-10-24 Thread Shaun Canning
Hi All,

I need some more help. I am trying to get hold of replacement foam inserts
for my large seal tight Doskocil camera case. It is nearly impossible to
find out anything about stockists in Australia. Does anybody have any info
for me? I need it to take all my gear to Queensland. The original foams are
already shaped to fit different gear to what I own now.

Cheers

Shaun Canning
PhD Student
Archaeology Department
La Trobe University, Bundoora,
Australia, 3086.

e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Phone: 0414-967 644





Re: RE: RE: Fw: Trading LX's

2002-10-24 Thread Paul Jones
Hi Shaun,

Shutter-Box 
1163 Toorak Rd Camberwell 3124   (03) 9809 4711  

There normal turn around is not the speediest, but they'll speed things up if you 
need.

Where are you bases in Vic?

Cya  

- Original Message -
From: Shaun Canning
Sent: 10/25/2002 12:53:09 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: RE: Fw: Trading LX's

> Hi Paul,
> 
> Welcome back. Where are Shutterbox located? I've never used them, but it's
> always nice to know where repairers are.
> 
> Shaun Canning
> PhD Student
> Archaeology Department
> La Trobe University, Bundoora,
> Australia, 3086.
> 
> e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Phone: 0414-967 644
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Jones [mailto:pdml@;nrg666.com]
> Sent: Friday, 25 October 2002 04:23
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: RE: Fw: Trading LX's
> 
> I think shutterbox cameras in Melbourne are actually better for LX's than CR
> Kennedy, both of the techs have worked for pentax in Japan and are factory
> trained. One of the also saw the LX production line :)
> 
> I remember some one saying a while back that Pentax had off loaded all there
> LX parts, i think this was actualy wrong, as i just had an LX serviced and
> they order quite a few parts from Pentax Japan.
> 
> Regards,
> Paul Jones
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Alan Chan
> Sent: 10/24/2002 11:49:07 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Fw: Trading LX's
> 
> > >Send it to me and I'll get C.R. Kennedy here in Australia to fix it
> > >properly
> > >for you.
> >
> > Good luck! They couldn't even fix the MX.
> >
> > regards,
> > Alan Chan
> >
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RE: RE: Fw: Trading LX's

2002-10-24 Thread Shaun Canning
Hi Paul,

Welcome back. Where are Shutterbox located? I've never used them, but it's
always nice to know where repairers are.

Shaun Canning
PhD Student
Archaeology Department
La Trobe University, Bundoora,
Australia, 3086.

e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Phone: 0414-967 644

-Original Message-
From: Paul Jones [mailto:pdml@;nrg666.com]
Sent: Friday, 25 October 2002 04:23
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: RE: Fw: Trading LX's

I think shutterbox cameras in Melbourne are actually better for LX's than CR
Kennedy, both of the techs have worked for pentax in Japan and are factory
trained. One of the also saw the LX production line :)

I remember some one saying a while back that Pentax had off loaded all there
LX parts, i think this was actualy wrong, as i just had an LX serviced and
they order quite a few parts from Pentax Japan.

Regards,
Paul Jones



- Original Message -
From: Alan Chan
Sent: 10/24/2002 11:49:07 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Fw: Trading LX's

> >Send it to me and I'll get C.R. Kennedy here in Australia to fix it
> >properly
> >for you.
>
> Good luck! They couldn't even fix the MX.
>
> regards,
> Alan Chan
>
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Re: I'm Back

2002-10-24 Thread Antti-Pekka Virjonen
At 00:18 25.10.2002 -0600, Paul wrote:
>I'm back subscribed, if any one actualy cares:) and looking through the emails i'm 
>glad i missed a lot of it!

Hi,

Welcome back!

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Re: RE: Fw: Trading LX's

2002-10-24 Thread Paul Jones
I think shutterbox cameras in Melbourne are actually better for LX's than CR Kennedy, 
both of the techs have worked for pentax in Japan and are factory trained. One of the 
also saw the LX production line :)

I remember some one saying a while back that Pentax had off loaded all there LX parts, 
i think this was actualy wrong, as i just had an LX serviced and they order quite a 
few parts from Pentax Japan.

Regards,
Paul Jones



- Original Message -
From: Alan Chan
Sent: 10/24/2002 11:49:07 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Fw: Trading LX's

> >Send it to me and I'll get C.R. Kennedy here in Australia to fix it 
> >properly
> >for you.
> 
> Good luck! They couldn't even fix the MX.
> 
> regards,
> Alan Chan
> 
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Boz's photo on eBay auction

2002-10-24 Thread Chris Brogden

Here we go again... at least they kept the copyright symbol.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1391556972


chris




I'm Back

2002-10-24 Thread Paul Jones
Hi,

I'm back subscribed, if any one actualy cares:) and looking through the emails i'm 
glad i missed a lot of it!

I've got a new email i'm using for the pdml now, as my old ones were getting spammed 
to much and the pdml doesn't like hotmail accounts.

I'll also be updating both the pdml sites i maintain in the next week or so, so for 
everyone who's sent me pictures, URLs or notifications of errors will have to wait a 
little longer.

Regards,
Paul





Re: Fw: Trading LX's

2002-10-24 Thread Bob Rapp
I have had CRK repair 2 of my Spotmatics (meters), MX, LX and K2. The only
one they screwed up on was the K2. The repaired it at no cost.

Pentax in the US would not work on the Spotmatics 10 years aga and CRK still
stocks the ASA resistors!

Melbourne is the main repair centre and all the pro-level gear goes there
for repair.

Bob
- Original Message -
From: "Shaun Canning" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 3:59 PM
Subject: RE: Fw: Trading LX's


> Jeez Alan, I think we've all been down this little road before too. C.R
> Kennedy's are excellent as far as I am concerned, and I have never had
> reason to complain. I also have had cameras they could not fix, but that
was
> because parts were no longer available. They are only an agent, not the
> manufacturer. A couple of the service technicians at CRK were shipped off
to
> Japan many moons ago to learn how to do LX's properly, so that is why I am
> happy to recommend them. I think you will find others (i.e. Rob Studdert)
> equally happy to recommend CRK for what I originally commented on.
>
> Shaun Canning
> PhD Student
> Archaeology Department
> La Trobe University, Bundoora,
> Australia, 3086.
>
> e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Phone: 0414-967 644
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Alan Chan [mailto:wlachan@;hotmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, 25 October 2002 03:49
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Fw: Trading LX's
>
> >Send it to me and I'll get C.R. Kennedy here in Australia to fix it
> >properly
> >for you.
>
> Good luck! They couldn't even fix the MX.
>
> regards,
> Alan Chan
>
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RE: Fw: Trading LX's

2002-10-24 Thread Shaun Canning
Jeez Alan, I think we've all been down this little road before too. C.R
Kennedy's are excellent as far as I am concerned, and I have never had
reason to complain. I also have had cameras they could not fix, but that was
because parts were no longer available. They are only an agent, not the
manufacturer. A couple of the service technicians at CRK were shipped off to
Japan many moons ago to learn how to do LX's properly, so that is why I am
happy to recommend them. I think you will find others (i.e. Rob Studdert)
equally happy to recommend CRK for what I originally commented on.

Shaun Canning
PhD Student
Archaeology Department
La Trobe University, Bundoora,
Australia, 3086.

e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Phone: 0414-967 644

-Original Message-
From: Alan Chan [mailto:wlachan@;hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, 25 October 2002 03:49
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Fw: Trading LX's

>Send it to me and I'll get C.R. Kennedy here in Australia to fix it
>properly
>for you.

Good luck! They couldn't even fix the MX.

regards,
Alan Chan

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Re: Travel Kit

2002-10-24 Thread Alan Chan
If there will be plenty of time to switch lenses, I'd leave the zoom at 
home. Otherwise, take the zoom and leave the 50 & 100. I would carry as few 
equipments as I could.

regards,
Alan Chan

Would you be happy with the following lenses for a
travel kit?
4 are primes and 1 is a zoom
28mm f/3.5
50mm f/1.4
105mm f/2.8 macro
200mm f/4
45-125mm f/4
Couple that with 2 bodies.
Any lens you would leave home?  Any redundancy?



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Re: Quality film scanner at an acceptable price?

2002-10-24 Thread Antti-Pekka Virjonen
The 2100 (and the older 2000P) use pigment inks which will help
the prints to survive longer (ink color fading issues due to the light and
gases like ozone). I'd recommend the 2100 to Pål if he thinks about selling his
prints. I have the 2000P with CIS (continuous ink system) and 7500 Pro inks
(which are actually the same as the 2000P original inks) and I am very happy
with the results. I use mainly the LexJet Melinex Photo media 
(from http://www.lexjet.com) which is a high gloss white film by Dupont and works
fantastic with the 2000P (and other Epson printes as well).
For MF and LF originals the flatbed will do a fine job. I get very good
results from my 6x9 and 4x5 slides with the Epson 1680 Pro scanner. For 35mm a 
dedicated film scanner is a must if you want to print 8x10 or bigger. Maybe the 
new 3600dpi flatbeds will work but I don't think they will meet the sharpness 
of a dedicated film scanner.

Antti-Pekka

At 20:51 24.10.2002 +, you wrote:
>I think the GT-9800 F will produce more than acceptable results, but a
>film scanner capable of 4000 dpi would of course be better. By the way,
>before opting for the 2100 over the 1290 or 1280, I would want to see a
>side by side comparison of prints from the same scan. The last time I
>looked, the scans from the 12 series printers were more dynamic and
>brilliant. The 2100 is perhaps more neutral and still very good, but
>some prefer the vibrancy that can be acieved with the 12 series. 
>Paul
>
>Pål Jensen wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for the replies so far. I've settled on an Epson 2100. With this printer, if 
>the advertising is to be believed, I can start producing and perhaps selling home 
>made, gallery quality fine prints. However, this leads to another question. Will a 
>scanner like the new Epson GT-9800F produce scans good enough to take advantage of 
>the 2100 printer? Or do I need a dedicated film scanner?
>> 
>> Pål

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RE: Tropics

2002-10-24 Thread Shaun Canning
ta

Shaun Canning
PhD Student
Archaeology Department
La Trobe University, Bundoora,
Australia, 3086.

e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Phone: 0414-967 644

-Original Message-
From: Bob Rapp [mailto:bobrapp1@;bigpond.com]
Sent: Friday, 25 October 2002 03:25
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Tropics

Hi Shaun,
The ones I have, I pinched from some electrical enclosures I was
commissioning in QLD. They are rather large and the colour of the silica can
be seen thru the bag.
I monitor them often and dry them in the oven about twice a year. Cook
then at 125 for about 30 minutes. Open the oven from time to time to let the
moisture escape.
I also use bulk silica that I put in old film cans. I drill several
small holes in the top so they can breathe. Until I started using Glad
Zip-locks, I was drying the silica about every 6 weeks. Now, it is on par
with the bags.
How long they last depends on how often you open the case / bag and how
long you keep it open. If you can find some air-tite freezer containers
(check the seals), they are a cheap solution.

Hope this helps,

Bob
- Original Message -
From: "Shaun Canning" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 3:00 PM
Subject: RE: Tropics


> Thanks Bob. I am planning on stocking up on silica bags big time. How
often
> do you need to recharge the bags in the oven (or however you dry them).
>
> Cheers
>
> Shaun Canning
> PhD Student
> Archaeology Department
> La Trobe University, Bundoora,
> Australia, 3086.
>
> e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Phone: 0414-967 644
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Bob Rapp [mailto:bobrapp1@;bigpond.com]
> Sent: Friday, 25 October 2002 02:33
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Tropics
>
> Hi Shaun,
> I live at Terrigal about 300 meters from the ocean. To eliminate
fungus
> growth, I keep my cameras and lenses (when not using them) in plastic air
> tight containers with 2 or more silica packs.
> Darwin will be 33-38 degrees and 100% humidity. With normal care, and
> keeping your equipment in sealed dry containers (Rob swears by Pelican
> equipment cases) you should have no trouble.
>
> Bob
> - Original Message -
> From: "Shaun Canning" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 2:06 PM
> Subject: RE: Tropics
>
>
> > Well Herb, Cairns is about 200 kilometres north of where I will be. As
for
> > getting things fixed, if it goes FUBAR where I will be, I probably won't
> > have time to send it off and wait for it to get back. The P&S is a good
> > idea. Hopefully I will have access to an oven or such to dry out the
> silica
> > bags. I am hoping that my LX is going to be up to the task. I did have
an
> MX
> > a while back, but I sold the thing. Nice little camera it was too
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Shaun Canning
> > PhD Student
> > Archaeology Department
> > La Trobe University, Bundoora,
> > Australia, 3086.
> >
> > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Phone: 0414-967 644
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Herb Chong [mailto:HerbChong@;compuserve.com]
> > Sent: Friday, 25 October 2002 01:27
> > To: INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Tropics
> >
> > Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > I am planning on taking my LX and a full kit of
> > lenses, in a Doskocil (same as Pelican or Domke) waterproof case and
> > Lowepro
> > Photo trekker.<
> >
> > how able are you to get out and in to replace something? i would suggest
> an
> > all manual camera like the MX as an backup. a weather proof P&S would
not
> > be a bad idea either. you will have ways of reviving dessicants as they
> get
> > saturated?
> >
> > Herb
> >
>




RE: Fw: Trading LX's

2002-10-24 Thread Alan Chan
Send it to me and I'll get C.R. Kennedy here in Australia to fix it 
properly
for you.

Good luck! They couldn't even fix the MX.

regards,
Alan Chan

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Re: OT: Re: Med format exhibit in Texas, great stuff

2002-10-24 Thread Norman Baugher
That could be cheaper than the alternative I was contemplating - 
drilling a hole in the side of the fridge to mount the new Pentax DSLR 
in order to capture a 'real' image that would hold up in criminal court 
in case I was in breach of the Kyoto accord...

Rubenstein, Bruce M (Bruce) wrote:

I could use a good place to hide, so I could check it out for you.

From: Norm Baugher [mailto:nbaugher@;earthlink.net]
I think the light in my refrigerator stays on after I shut the door.







Re: Tropics

2002-10-24 Thread Bob Rapp
Hi Shaun,
The ones I have, I pinched from some electrical enclosures I was
commissioning in QLD. They are rather large and the colour of the silica can
be seen thru the bag.
I monitor them often and dry them in the oven about twice a year. Cook
then at 125 for about 30 minutes. Open the oven from time to time to let the
moisture escape.
I also use bulk silica that I put in old film cans. I drill several
small holes in the top so they can breathe. Until I started using Glad
Zip-locks, I was drying the silica about every 6 weeks. Now, it is on par
with the bags.
How long they last depends on how often you open the case / bag and how
long you keep it open. If you can find some air-tite freezer containers
(check the seals), they are a cheap solution.

Hope this helps,

Bob
- Original Message -
From: "Shaun Canning" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 3:00 PM
Subject: RE: Tropics


> Thanks Bob. I am planning on stocking up on silica bags big time. How
often
> do you need to recharge the bags in the oven (or however you dry them).
>
> Cheers
>
> Shaun Canning
> PhD Student
> Archaeology Department
> La Trobe University, Bundoora,
> Australia, 3086.
>
> e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Phone: 0414-967 644
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Bob Rapp [mailto:bobrapp1@;bigpond.com]
> Sent: Friday, 25 October 2002 02:33
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Tropics
>
> Hi Shaun,
> I live at Terrigal about 300 meters from the ocean. To eliminate
fungus
> growth, I keep my cameras and lenses (when not using them) in plastic air
> tight containers with 2 or more silica packs.
> Darwin will be 33-38 degrees and 100% humidity. With normal care, and
> keeping your equipment in sealed dry containers (Rob swears by Pelican
> equipment cases) you should have no trouble.
>
> Bob
> - Original Message -
> From: "Shaun Canning" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 2:06 PM
> Subject: RE: Tropics
>
>
> > Well Herb, Cairns is about 200 kilometres north of where I will be. As
for
> > getting things fixed, if it goes FUBAR where I will be, I probably won't
> > have time to send it off and wait for it to get back. The P&S is a good
> > idea. Hopefully I will have access to an oven or such to dry out the
> silica
> > bags. I am hoping that my LX is going to be up to the task. I did have
an
> MX
> > a while back, but I sold the thing. Nice little camera it was too
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Shaun Canning
> > PhD Student
> > Archaeology Department
> > La Trobe University, Bundoora,
> > Australia, 3086.
> >
> > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Phone: 0414-967 644
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Herb Chong [mailto:HerbChong@;compuserve.com]
> > Sent: Friday, 25 October 2002 01:27
> > To: INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Tropics
> >
> > Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > I am planning on taking my LX and a full kit of
> > lenses, in a Doskocil (same as Pelican or Domke) waterproof case and
> > Lowepro
> > Photo trekker.<
> >
> > how able are you to get out and in to replace something? i would suggest
> an
> > all manual camera like the MX as an backup. a weather proof P&S would
not
> > be a bad idea either. you will have ways of reviving dessicants as they
> get
> > saturated?
> >
> > Herb
> >
>




RE: Tropics

2002-10-24 Thread Shaun Canning
Thanks Bob. I am planning on stocking up on silica bags big time. How often
do you need to recharge the bags in the oven (or however you dry them).

Cheers

Shaun Canning
PhD Student
Archaeology Department
La Trobe University, Bundoora,
Australia, 3086.

e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Phone: 0414-967 644

-Original Message-
From: Bob Rapp [mailto:bobrapp1@;bigpond.com]
Sent: Friday, 25 October 2002 02:33
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Tropics

Hi Shaun,
I live at Terrigal about 300 meters from the ocean. To eliminate fungus
growth, I keep my cameras and lenses (when not using them) in plastic air
tight containers with 2 or more silica packs.
Darwin will be 33-38 degrees and 100% humidity. With normal care, and
keeping your equipment in sealed dry containers (Rob swears by Pelican
equipment cases) you should have no trouble.

Bob
- Original Message -
From: "Shaun Canning" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 2:06 PM
Subject: RE: Tropics


> Well Herb, Cairns is about 200 kilometres north of where I will be. As for
> getting things fixed, if it goes FUBAR where I will be, I probably won't
> have time to send it off and wait for it to get back. The P&S is a good
> idea. Hopefully I will have access to an oven or such to dry out the
silica
> bags. I am hoping that my LX is going to be up to the task. I did have an
MX
> a while back, but I sold the thing. Nice little camera it was too
>
> Cheers
>
> Shaun Canning
> PhD Student
> Archaeology Department
> La Trobe University, Bundoora,
> Australia, 3086.
>
> e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Phone: 0414-967 644
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Herb Chong [mailto:HerbChong@;compuserve.com]
> Sent: Friday, 25 October 2002 01:27
> To: INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Tropics
>
> Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > I am planning on taking my LX and a full kit of
> lenses, in a Doskocil (same as Pelican or Domke) waterproof case and
> Lowepro
> Photo trekker.<
>
> how able are you to get out and in to replace something? i would suggest
an
> all manual camera like the MX as an backup. a weather proof P&S would not
> be a bad idea either. you will have ways of reviving dessicants as they
get
> saturated?
>
> Herb
>




Re: Metaphors (Was Re: A funny problem with digital)

2002-10-24 Thread Treena Harp
How about these?
Not the brightest crayon in the box

A few apples shy of a barrel

Not the sharpest knife in the drawer

And, here's one of my dear, departed dad's: He/She's so stupid, you could
throw'em in the creek (prounced crik) and skim stupid for three weeks.

- Original Message -
From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: Metaphors (Was Re: A funny problem with digital)


> I don't know how this part of the thread got started, but it looks like
> fun!  Can I play?  Okay:
>
> A few bricks short of a load.
>
> Elevator doesn't go all the way to the top.
>
> Not the brightest bulb in the marquis (or is that marquee?).
>
> Not playing with a full deck.
>
> Must be a Pentax user.  (Hey!  How'd that one get in there?!?)  
>
> -frank
>
>
>





RE: B & W recommendations

2002-10-24 Thread tom
> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:pnstenquist@;comcast.net]
>
>
> tom wrote:
> >
> > I thought I was the only one with any sense ;)
> >
> > Neopan 1600 (only available in 35mm)
>
> Of course we were talking about medium format.

Well, whoever was talking about Neopan 1600 wasn't...

> For which Delta 3200
> still seems to be the best choice for a 1600 film.

True.

> I don't
> like Delta
> 3200 in 35mm.

I hate it.

> I think I'll give that Neopan a try. How do
> you process it?

XTOL 1:1 75F 5.5m
DD-X 65F 6.5m

My negs are a little contrasty. You might want to cut 30 seconds off
those times.

tv





Re: B & W recommendations

2002-10-24 Thread Paul Stenquist


tom wrote:
> 
> I thought I was the only one with any sense ;)
> 
> Neopan 1600 (only available in 35mm)

Of course we were talking about medium format. For which Delta 3200
still seems to be the best choice for a 1600 film. I don't like Delta
3200 in 35mm. I think I'll give that Neopan a try. How do you process it?
Paul




Metaphors (Was Re: A funny problem with digital)

2002-10-24 Thread Doug Franklin
On Thu, 24 Oct 2002 09:59:55 -0500, Dan Scott wrote:

> On Wednesday, October 23, 2002, at 11:13 PM, William Robb wrote:

> > "Sorry Ma'am, but this ones just a few beans short of a bowl of
> > Chili"

> A few fries short of a Happy Meal...
> 
> Belt doesn't go through all the loops...
> 
> Fell out of the Stupid tree and hit every freakin' branch all the way 
> down...

"Dumber than a box of rocks."

"Were you born without a brain or did you have it removed later?"

[I know, I know, the last one's not really a metaphor]

TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ





Re: Fw: Trading LX's

2002-10-24 Thread William Robb

- Original Message -
From: David Brooks
Subject: Re: Fw: Trading LX's


> Just relay your Pentax Canada(Mississauga)story to him Bill:)

Which reminds me. LX #3 arrived home today. I took it out of the
box, unwrapped it, removed the body cap, cocked the shutter and
pushed the button.
One of the mechanisms went ping.
And the mirror just sat there. Didn't move at all.
After 10 seconds or so, I actuated the mirror lock and the
shutter cycle completed.
This is not looking good.

William Robb




Re: OT: Re: Med format exhibit in Texas, great stuff

2002-10-24 Thread William Robb

- Original Message -
From: frank theriault
Subject: Re: OT: Re: Med format exhibit in Texas, great stuff


> I believe that's contrary to the Kyoto Treaty...  :-)

They're smart. They didn't sign onto it.

WW

>
> Norm Baugher wrote:
>
> > I think the light in my refrigerator stays on after I shut
the door.





Re: Fw: Trading LX's

2002-10-24 Thread David Brooks
Just relay your Pentax Canada(Mississauga)story to him Bill:)

Dave

 Begin Original Message 

From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 17:57:25 -0600
To: "Pentax Discuss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: "Bob & Lil Kasper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Fw: Trading LX's


Hi, This arrived in my inbox.
If anyone can help him out, please reply to him directly, I
don't know if he is subscribed.
Thanks

William Robb
- Original Message -
 From: Bob & Lil Kasper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 2:54 PM
Subject: Trading LX's


I have the same LX "sticky mirror" function.  Can you give me an
idea of what it would cost to have Pentax Service correct the
problem?  They are reluctant to provide this information.

Bob Kasper
Keeseville, NY




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Re: Nikon 50's

2002-10-24 Thread William Robb

- Original Message -
From: tom
Subject: OT: Nikon 50's


> My sister has a N50 (I think) with some crappy zoom lens. I
want to
> get her a 50.
>
> - Do the older non-af 50's work on this camera?

It would appear not.

> - IS the AF 50/1.8 optically ok? I know it's got pretty crappy
build
> quality, but if the optics are ok and close-focusing is good
it might
> be the ticket.

Don't have a clue.

>From the Nikon USA website for the N55:

"Lenses: AF Nikkor and AI-P Nikkor lenses (except AF Nikkor for
3AF and IX-Nikkor)"

HTH

William Robb




Fw: Trading LX's

2002-10-24 Thread William Robb
Hi, This arrived in my inbox.
If anyone can help him out, please reply to him directly, I
don't know if he is subscribed.
Thanks

William Robb
- Original Message -
From: Bob & Lil Kasper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 2:54 PM
Subject: Trading LX's


I have the same LX "sticky mirror" function.  Can you give me an
idea of what it would cost to have Pentax Service correct the
problem?  They are reluctant to provide this information.

Bob Kasper
Keeseville, NY





Re: OT: Re: Med format exhibit in Texas, great stuff

2002-10-24 Thread Norm Baugher
I didn't take Daniel's comment as a "violence joke"...

Chaso DeChaso wrote:


Chaso: makes murder joke

Daniel: too, too rude of you.

Chaso: OK, gotcha

...time passes...

Daniel: makes violence joke

Chaso: OK, I see, violence jokes are OK as long as
its not murder

Various people: me no get it, me brain hurt when me
try to think.  Me make joke instead.

--- frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
 

I believe that's contrary to the Kyoto Treaty... 
:-)

Norm Baugher wrote:

I think the light in my refrigerator stays on
 

after I shut the door.
   







Re: 1 day to go: wide-angle zoom poll

2002-10-24 Thread Alan Chan
1.)
FA20-35/f4 AL
FA24-90/f3.5-4.5 IF&AL
FA*28-70/f2.8 AL

3.)
FA*18-35/2.8 AL [IF]

regards,
Alan Chan

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Re: Marketing images through the WWW

2002-10-24 Thread Rob Studdert
On 23 Oct 2002 at 17:49, Pål Jensen wrote:

> Have any of you with your own web pages had any success in selling images for
> stock use through the web? I've reading Ron Engh's "Sellphoto.com" and setting
> up my own web page seem temping as I have quite a few unique and saleable
> images.. For those who have experiences with this, have you actively marketed
> your images towards potential clients? How much work is it to make your own
> (well designed) web page for someone who has never done this sort of thing
> before?

Hi Pål,

I have this book, whilst it has a lot of good information Engh already had a 
name selling stock via conventional means. It's far more difficult to make such 
a notion work than he alludes too if you haven't had prior sales. I would 
consider such a web site more as an adjunct to your sales activities, a 
marketing tool and on-line portfolio that's a little more personal than the 
generic portfolio sites allow.

Cheers,

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html




Re[3]: Quality film scanner at an acceptable price?

2002-10-24 Thread Bruce Dayton
My experience with the 2450 (2nd one) has been much better.  I find
that the diffused light source in the lid seems to not show as much
problems (dust, scratches, etc) in the image as my Minolta Scan Dual
II film scanner.  I suspect that Rob is right about needing a film
scanner for 35mm, although it probably depends on how big you are
going to print.  Up to 8X10, it might be ok.  Of course, that is about
as big as I get conventional prints off of 35mm.

As for the color issues, I have found that different scanning software
aids/hinders certain images.  With my 2450, I use either Epson Twain,
Silverfast SE or Vuescan.  One of the three will get me a scan pretty
close that I can work with.  Usually one of them will do poorly.  This
tends to be on an image by image basis.

Pål, what I would recommend you do is purchase from someone who will
let you return it if it doesn't perform well enough for you.  That
worked well for me.  I know the next step up is a huge jump in price -
one that I wasn't willing to make.

If you would like some sample scans from the 2450 on 35mm or 67 or any
other info, feel free to ask.

HTH,


Bruce



Thursday, October 24, 2002, 3:29:13 PM, you wrote:

RB> For 35mm you need a proper film scanner.  For med fo, it should be fine
RB> - but you don't get ICE I think unless the 9800 is a major step forward.
RB> ICE is essential IMO to avoid literally hours of cleaning
RB> spots/scratches etc.  I also find that flatbeds are not so good at
RB> getting the right colouring as film scanners which can be difficult
RB> enough.  I have a couple of negs and a couple of slides which I just
RB> CANNOT get right using my Epson 1640 flatbed no matter what I try!

>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pål Jensen [mailto:paaljensen@;sensewave.com] 
>> Sent: 24 October 2002 20:49
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: Re: Re: Quality film scanner at an acceptable price?
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks for the replies so far. I've settled on an Epson 2100. 
>> With this printer, if the advertising is to be believed, I 
>> can start producing and perhaps selling home made, gallery 
>> quality fine prints. However, this leads to another question. 
>> Will a scanner like the new Epson GT-9800F produce scans good 
>> enough to take advantage of the 2100 printer? Or do I need a 
>> dedicated film scanner?
>> 
>> Pål
>> 
>> 




RE: Re: Quality film scanner at an acceptable price?

2002-10-24 Thread Rob Brigham
For 35mm you need a proper film scanner.  For med fo, it should be fine
- but you don't get ICE I think unless the 9800 is a major step forward.
ICE is essential IMO to avoid literally hours of cleaning
spots/scratches etc.  I also find that flatbeds are not so good at
getting the right colouring as film scanners which can be difficult
enough.  I have a couple of negs and a couple of slides which I just
CANNOT get right using my Epson 1640 flatbed no matter what I try!

> -Original Message-
> From: Pål Jensen [mailto:paaljensen@;sensewave.com] 
> Sent: 24 October 2002 20:49
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Re: Quality film scanner at an acceptable price?
> 
> 
> Thanks for the replies so far. I've settled on an Epson 2100. 
> With this printer, if the advertising is to be believed, I 
> can start producing and perhaps selling home made, gallery 
> quality fine prints. However, this leads to another question. 
> Will a scanner like the new Epson GT-9800F produce scans good 
> enough to take advantage of the 2100 printer? Or do I need a 
> dedicated film scanner?
> 
> Pål
> 
> 




Re: Marketing images through the WWW

2002-10-24 Thread Jostein

hi Pål,

> Have any of you with your own web pages had any success in selling images
for stock use
> through the web?

My site is a typical example of a non-promoted wepage. Sure, it's listed
with Yahoo and the Nature Photo Index, but that doesn't account for much.
Statistics say that there are about 5-10 visitors per day, and so far the
page has earned me exactly one sale. So just putting it out there has no
effect at all.

> For those who have experiences with this, have you actively marketed your
images
> towards potential clients?

I haven't. If I should do so, I'm a bit uncertain how to go about it. The
problem with referring to a website is that you are not sure they will ever
bother to actually browse it.

> How much work is it to make your own (well designed) web page for someone
who has
> never done this sort of thing before?

Depending on your scope, there are different solutions. If you just want to
set up a simple showroom with a few static pages, I'm sure you can do that
fairly easily in a WYSIWYG editor for HTML. However, if you want something
more like a webshop or database solution, I think I would have looked for
some ready-made stuff. There are many commercial solutions around, and some
ISPs even offer them as part of a package when you register a domain name
with them or buy web-hotel services.

One example of a guy who has done fairly well is
http://www.villmarksbilder.com
He's working in a camerashop also, but after all, the number of full-time
nature photographers in Norway is only a handfull and barely that.

Jostein
http://oksne.net




Re: Marketing images through the WWW

2002-10-24 Thread Herb Chong
Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Well, I don't actuallly expect that if I put up a web site people will
come rushing begging for my photograps. However, having a web site as a
marketing vehicle for selling editorial (and other) photographs must
certainly be a great strategy. In this way, potential buyers can see and
perhaps find the images they want and you don't have to send original
slides unsolicited all over the globe. 

Pål<

unfortunately, far fewer places than you would like have a properly color
managed workflow to handle digital images with reliable color. i was very
disappointed when a major regional calendar publisher was unable to accept
digital originals and unable to evaluate digital files because they could
not get consistent color. far too many photographers creating digital
originals are also unable to send their digital files in a way that a color
managed consumer can trust. slides are reference because they don't depend
on the skill of the scanner operator and the viewing operator. editorial
consumers have at least gotten used to light tables as a way to put
everyone on an even footing, color-wise.

Herb




Re: Re: Quality film scanner at an acceptable price?

2002-10-24 Thread Herb Chong
Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Thanks for the replies so far. I've settled on an Epson 2100. With this
printer, if the advertising is to be believed, I can start producing and
perhaps selling home made, gallery quality fine prints. However, this leads
to another question. Will a scanner like the new Epson GT-9800F produce
scans good enough to take advantage of the 2100 printer? Or do I need a
dedicated film scanner?

Pål<

unless you shoot medium format, that scanner will be barely adequate at
best.

Herb




Re: OT: Re: Med format exhibit in Texas, great stuff

2002-10-24 Thread Chaso DeChaso
No problem - and very nice response.  As it happens,
my brain also rather hurts at the moment - I think I
may have inadvertently tried to use it earlier - so
I'm off for a while...

[cheers heard 'round the pdml]


--- Chaso DeChaso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Chaso: makes murder joke
> 
> Daniel: too, too rude of you.
> 
> Chaso: OK, gotcha
> 
> ...time passes...
> 
> Daniel: makes violence joke
> 
> Chaso: OK, I see, violence jokes are OK as long as
> it’s not murder
> 
> Various people: me no get it, me brain hurt when me
> try to think.  Me make joke instead.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > I believe that's contrary to the Kyoto Treaty... 
> > :-)
> > 
> > Norm Baugher wrote:
> > 
> > > I think the light in my refrigerator stays on
> > after I shut the door.
> > >
> > 
> > --
> > "The optimist thinks this is the best of all
> > possible worlds. The
> > pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert
> > Oppenheimer
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> =
> Chaso DeChaso
> 
> 
> "Less is more cheap" - Osvaldo Valdes, Architect
> 
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=
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Re: Re: Quality film scanner at an acceptable price?

2002-10-24 Thread Pål Jensen
Thanks for the replies so far. I've settled on an Epson 2100. With this printer, if 
the advertising is to be believed, I can start producing and perhaps selling home 
made, gallery quality fine prints. However, this leads to another question. Will a 
scanner like the new Epson GT-9800F produce scans good enough to take advantage of the 
2100 printer? Or do I need a dedicated film scanner?

Pål




Re: Marketing images through the WWW

2002-10-24 Thread Pål Jensen
Jens wrote:

> I don't believe in selling photographs through your own web site. If you
> want to, you must make sure your site is easy to find from any major
> search-engine (yahoo, altavista, google etc.) Try contacting a marketing
> consultant.


Well, I don't actuallly expect that if I put up a web site people will come rushing 
begging for my photograps. However, having a web site as a marketing vehicle for 
selling editorial (and other) photographs must certainly be a great strategy. In this 
way, potential buyers can see and perhaps find the images they want and you don't have 
to send original slides unsolicited all over the globe. 

Pål





pdml problems again

2002-10-24 Thread Robert Soames Wetmore
The pdml digest is unreliable again and messages are spotty.  This seems a 
regular occurrence.  Digests have never been reliable.  The website archive 
is continually failing or out of date.  Does anyone have this much trouble 
on other groups?  Does anyone have any suggestions for a better system than 
we currently have?  I know we all adore and worship Doug, but is everyone 
satisfied with how the list is going?  I know, I'm a terrible person for 
asking any such questions or mentioning any discontentment.





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Re: OT: Re: Med format exhibit in Texas, great stuff

2002-10-24 Thread frank theriault
Hi, Chaso,

You're right, I obviously didn't get it.

You're also right, my brain ~does~ hurt when I think.  Also when I don't
think.  It pretty much hurts all the time, but maybe that's because I've
been fighting a cold all week long, I dunno.

On the up side, however, thanks for recognizing my comment as the joke
that I intended it to be.  All is not lost...

regards,
knarf

Chaso DeChaso wrote:

> Chaso: makes murder joke
>
> Daniel: too, too rude of you.
>
> Chaso: OK, gotcha
>
> ...time passes...
>
> Daniel: makes violence joke
>
> Chaso: OK, I see, violence jokes are OK as long as
> it’s not murder
>
> Various people: me no get it, me brain hurt when me
> try to think.  Me make joke instead.
>
> --- frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > I believe that's contrary to the Kyoto Treaty...
> > :-)

--
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The
pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert
Oppenheimer





SV: Inexpensive flash recommendation

2002-10-24 Thread arkibladt
The FTZ500 is brilliant! Best qualitity and (award winning) design, I've
ever seen.
Wait for it. You'll love it!
Why do you need spot beam - shooting a lot in the dark?
Metz and mabybe others have a SCA-adapter (Pentax dedicated) with a
spotbeam - but it's more than 50USD. Try to check out second hand stuff!
regards
Jens

-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:awrobinson@;cox.net]
Sendt: 24. oktober 2002 21:37
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: Inexpensive flash recommendation


I'm looking for flash with these characteristics to use with my ZX-L:

1. TTL
2. Autofocus assist (the red spot beam from another thread)
3. Under $50 US

I thought I had found such a flash with the Vivitar 728. However, when it
arrived from B&H, the manual noted that the autofocus assist works only with
Canon and Nikon cameras. I tested the flash and found the auto focus assist
does not completely not work with my Pentax, but the results were close
enough to make the manual correct. (How's that for a terrible sentence.)

The reason I'm looking for a cheap flash is that I've put a real flash, the
Pentax AF 500 FTZ, on my Christmas wish list. Right now, I'm debating with
myself on returning the Vivitar. I could probably justify its cost as a
relatively light weight fill-flash for outdoor events like Mardi Gras.
However, if I could find a flash that met ALL my criteria, I would return
the Vivitar and buy the other one.

I've looked around on the web, but haven't found anything. On eBay, someone
is selling a lot of Sakar flashes that claim to have TTL and auto focus
assist capbilities. I have never heard of Sakar before, so I'm suspicious
even at those prices.

Does anyone know any flash models that would meet my criteria?

Thanks!

Andrew Robinson





Re: OT: Re: Med format exhibit in Texas, great stuff

2002-10-24 Thread Chaso DeChaso
Chaso: makes murder joke

Daniel: too, too rude of you.

Chaso: OK, gotcha

...time passes...

Daniel: makes violence joke

Chaso: OK, I see, violence jokes are OK as long as
it’s not murder

Various people: me no get it, me brain hurt when me
try to think.  Me make joke instead.




--- frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> I believe that's contrary to the Kyoto Treaty... 
> :-)
> 
> Norm Baugher wrote:
> 
> > I think the light in my refrigerator stays on
> after I shut the door.
> >
> 
> --
> "The optimist thinks this is the best of all
> possible worlds. The
> pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert
> Oppenheimer
> 
> 


=
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Re: Travel Kit

2002-10-24 Thread Bob Rapp
No problem at all... Although, I would leave the zoom behind. I have one and
like it, but it is too long to fit "my" travel kit.

Bob
- Original Message -
From: "Francis Alviar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Travel Kit


> Would you be happy with the following lenses for a
> travel kit?
>
> 4 are primes and 1 is a zoom
>
> 28mm f/3.5
> 50mm f/1.4
> 105mm f/2.8 macro
> 200mm f/4
>
> 45-125mm f/4
>
> Couple that with 2 bodies.
>
> Any lens you would leave home?  Any redundancy?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Francis M. Alviar
>
>
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Re: B & W recommendations

2002-10-24 Thread Bob Rapp
I found HC110 too grainy for my tastes and used D76 1:1 for normal work and
Acufine 1:1 for speed enhancements. The Tri-X Acufine gave me some of the
sharpest negatives from Tri-X than any other developer combination -
although there was some grain clumping.

For speed, I found the agitation method and rate more important than the
developer. 1 minute and 1 inversion dampened the highlights and enhanced the
shadow areas.

Bob

- Original Message -
From: "gfen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Bob,
>
> Do you mean to not use HC110 at all? I actually started out with Sprint
> Developer (which they claim is the same as D76 1:1), and moved over to
> HC110 because I figured it was more of a "standard" than some little
> company's clone-D76.
>
> I came to this conclusion when realizing that the Sprint times for pushing
> film were way out of line with what other people were recommending (ie, to
> push Tmax 400 to 1600, I think they recommended like 40 minutes of
> development time!).
>
>
>




Re: OT: Re: Med format exhibit in Texas, great stuff

2002-10-24 Thread frank theriault
I believe that's contrary to the Kyoto Treaty...  :-)

Norm Baugher wrote:

> I think the light in my refrigerator stays on after I shut the door.
>

--
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The
pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert
Oppenheimer





Re: law and image

2002-10-24 Thread frank theriault
Well, thank you, Dan!  :-)

Every so often, shadows of my past life are drawn out of dark quarters of my
mind by memory triggers.  I guess this thread is one of those triggers...

BTW, my comments related to criminal trials, but the same rules of evidence
regarding exhibits would apply to civil trials as well (just in case anyone
was wondering).

My work is done here;  I'm off to another thread to see what havoc I can
wreak.

regards,
frank

"Daniel J. Matyola" wrote:

> I agree with you completely, Frank.
>
> frank theriault wrote:
>
> > Well, I haven't done a trial in many years, but I think that what many
> > here (obviously not you, Dan) don't realize, is that the vast majority
> > of photographs submitted as exhibits in a trial are ~not~
> > controversial.  They depict crime scenes - where the "body" was found, a
> > smashed window where entry to a premises was gained - that sort of
> > thing.  It saves the trier of fact (meaning the jury, or if there's no
> > jury, the judge) from having to go to the crime scene to get an idea of
> > the physical lay of the land, so to speak.
> >
> > In my experience, the only photos of a crime scene taken by police
> > officers that didn't make it as exhibits, are ones that everyone agreeed
> > were accurate depictions - they were the autopsy photos of the victim of
> > an axe murder.  They were so gory that they would have had a prejudicial
> > effect on the jury, and both the prosecutors and defence agreed that
> > they shouldn't go in.
> >
> > Once the guy who took the picture (usually a police officer) says under
> > oath that he took it, that it accurately represents what he saw at the
> > time, and then establishes the chain of possession up to the trial date,
> > it's made an exhibit.  Period.
> >
> > I shouldn't see that it makes any difference if the image is digital or
> > from a negative.
> >
> > Once it's made an exhibit, it's up to the trier of fact to decide how
> > much "weight" to put on that exhibit, just as any other piece of
> > evidence.  Of course, the defence lawyer always has an opportunity to
> > cross-examine the witness who seeks to have the photo made an exhibit,
> > and at that time may (if the image is contentious) ask questions about
> > framing, cropping, manipulation of any kind, etc.  That goes for any
> > image, no matter how produced.  The effectiveness of that
> > cross-examination may or may not affect the trier of fact in deciding
> > how much weight the exhibit has.
> >
> > Just because an image was obtained digitally won't affect it's weight
> > ~in and of itself~, imho.  The amount of manipulation and the context in
> > which it was taken will - and that type of evidence will be drawn out by
> > cross-examination.
> >
> > Mind you, I'm applying my now fading memory of the law of evidence,
> > which was admittedly acquired prior to the advent of the digital era...

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fears it is true." -J. Robert
Oppenheimer





Re: Matjaz & Roman PDML-ers

2002-10-24 Thread Matjaz Osojnik

> > Well, nice atmosphere, interesting conversation
> > in English and Spanish, roman foodstuffs, sicilian wine, spirits
> > from several European lands. which seemed to lower our self-control,
> > as we eventually indulged ourselves in experiencing odd couplings,
> > like this: http://space.tin.it/arte/flamin/mzs_tak.jpg ! Ciao
> >
> > Fabio
> >
> 
> Jeez, put some underpants on that thing.
> 
> Dan Scott
> 

But Dan, it's gorgeous. You should see MZ-S + pancake 40/2.8 combo. 
That one really looks strange. :)

Matjaz





Re: Matjaz & Roman PDML-ers

2002-10-24 Thread Matjaz Osojnik
It was a lovely evening indeed. Great hosts, great food, variety of wine, even 
first LX I had in my hands. We even invented new language. Espano-
english was a real fun to talk. Enjoyable time. Thanks, guys and gals.

Matjaz

> The PDML Roman bunch met fellow Matjaz from Slovenia during his brief
> staying here in the Eternal City. The quorum was very high: 75 %, i.e.
> three out of four, as Michele was out of Rome. Not just a round table
> about Pentax gear, rather a dining table.
> http://space.tin.it/arte/flamin/cena2.jpg (from left: Fabio, Laura,
> Matjaz, Flavio). Well, nice atmosphere, interesting conversation in
> English and Spanish, roman foodstuffs, sicilian wine, spirits from
> several European lands. which seemed to lower our self-control, as we
> eventually indulged ourselves in experiencing odd couplings, like
> this: http://space.tin.it/arte/flamin/mzs_tak.jpg ! Ciao
> 
> Fabio
> 
> 
> 





Re: OT: Re: Med format exhibit in Texas, great stuff

2002-10-24 Thread Chaso DeChaso
Was Daniel or someone else talking about refrigerator
lights earlier?


--- Norm Baugher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think the light in my refrigerator stays on after
> I shut the door.
> 
> Chaso DeChaso wrote:
> 
> >Physical violence is not a rude topic unless it
> >definitely results in murder.
> >
> >--- "Daniel J. Matyola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>I would never hurt YOU, but...
> >>
> >>Steve Desjardins wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>I'm really sorry if we offended you - please
> don't hurt me . . . .
> >>>  
> >>>
> 
> 
> 


=
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Re: OT: Re: Med format exhibit in Texas, great stuff

2002-10-24 Thread Norm Baugher
I think the light in my refrigerator stays on after I shut the door.

Chaso DeChaso wrote:


Physical violence is not a rude topic unless it
definitely results in murder.

--- "Daniel J. Matyola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 

I would never hurt YOU, but...

Steve Desjardins wrote:
   

I'm really sorry if we offended you - please don't hurt me . . . .
 







Re: OT - Introducing PoorMan'sIce for Photoshop; PDML testers wanted

2002-10-24 Thread Herb Chong
Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>I think I remember a couple people on the list have mentioned owning 
Nikon scanners, and one or two with the Minoltas that support ICE--but 
I'm drawing a blank on names right now.
<

i have a Coolscan 4000ED. you can send me the action to try. i use
Photoshop 7.

Herb




Re: OT: Re: Med format exhibit in Texas, great stuff

2002-10-24 Thread Chaso DeChaso
Physical violence is not a rude topic unless it
definitely results in murder.


--- "Daniel J. Matyola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I would never hurt YOU, but...
> 
> Steve Desjardins wrote:
> 
> > I'm really sorry if we offended you - please don't
> hurt me . . . .
> 


=
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Re: Which Photo quality printer?

2002-10-24 Thread Lon Williamson
gfen wrote:
> 
snip
> The other thing I'm having difficulty getting my head around is WHERE and
> HOW I should size images and do the workflow.. I've been doing my best to
> research it out on photo.net
snip

I too, have researched photo.net, and I don't think it's the best resource.
Two places that can get you going towards your own workflow are
Andrew Rodney's Digital Dog and Luminous Landscape.  Search for these
with Google; both have several good articles.

-Lon




Re: OT - Introducing PoorMan'sIce for Photoshop; PDML testers wanted

2002-10-24 Thread Dan Scott

On Thursday, October 24, 2002, at 10:04 AM, Lon Williamson wrote:


Folks, I believe I've stumbled upon a useful thing.
I have created a Photoshop Action that, on a reasonable
percentage of scans thrown at it, reduced spotting time
considerably.  The action can remove most spots from
negative scans semi-automatically without - repeat:
WITHOUT - affecting sharpness or contrast.  It is
particularly handy when thrown at negative film developed
at ham-handed 1 hour labs.  As written, it will NOT
effectively spot chromes, where dust manifests as dark
abberations.  I may work on a chrome version later.

By semiautomatically, I mean that there are user-intervention
steps (adjusting levels, applying blur, and choosing values
for a few dust&scratch filters).  There are currently 78 steps
in the action and user intervention is required on 7 steps.
Only two of these steps require you to do some careful
tweaking which may take 30 seconds or so, the other 5 steps
take me less than 5 seconds each.

I have found myself spending typically 30 minutes to over
an hour retouching by hand using the classic history-brush-and-
scratch-filter and even more classic clone tool approach on
the 50MB 8-bit TIF files my scanner cranks out.  It does not
have FARE or ICE.  With PMI (PoorMan'sIce), my spotting time
can be as little as 10 minutes to as much as 30 minutes.  PMI
spotting typically holds up well against 8x10 enlargements
printed on a modern inkjet photo-printer.

PMI works well on an eTower 333Mz machine with 256MB
RAM.  It's considerably slower on a Fujitsu 400MHz laptop
with 192MB.  It's probably workable, with 50MB TIFs, on
a machine with 128MB, and would no doubt fly on a machine
with 512 or more MB and a processor in the Gigahertz speed
range.

I intend to release it as freeware soon, but want testers
and feedback before so doing.  I hope that my testers
will come ONLY from PDML; and your names will be listed
in the final documentation.

I will email all interested testers the action and preliminary
documentation in ZIP format - should be around a megabyet.
The action was developed in PhotoShop 5 (my latest version),
and I tested a very early PIM version against Photoshop 6 which
did NOT fare well (Photoshop 6 does not, curiously enough,
support all actions that Photoshop 5 does).  I may have found
a work around, but have not tested the current PMI against
Photoshop 6 or 7.

So to be safe, if you want to examine PMI, you should - at least
for now - have Photoshop 5 laying around somewhere.  I am confident
that I can create a final version that supports everything from
Photoshop 4 to Photoshop 7, probably with a distinct action for
each version of Photoshop.

Anyone interested please respond to me via email
with title "PMI Tester"

- Lon Williamson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



Sounds great. If you want a tester for Photoshop 6 and 7, let me know.

Dan Scott




Catax or Pensio ?

2002-10-24 Thread Michel Carrère-Gée
Casio presents the QV-R3 and QV-R43 and 4 Mp equipped of zooms 3x PENTAX !!

After technical card reading, all is there the same, 11Mb internal 
memory , watch calendar understood the zoom to the different formats of 
files.

Two differences however:
- the wheel at the rear of the case instead of the over
- more important, the type of memory card:
	 at Pentax = Compact Flash and
	 at Casio = SD
Then, copy, subcontract, collaboration with Pentax photo part and Casio 
electronic ???

Michel




Re: Which Photo quality printer?

2002-10-24 Thread Lon Williamson
TI has a new 6 or 7 ink printer out:  The 5550, I believe.
As I recall, it does 6x4 borderless, and will print up to
8x10.  About $150, and supposedly in the Epson/Canon quality
class.  And I don't believe the carts are chipped.

-Lon




1 day to go: wide-angle zoom poll

2002-10-24 Thread Arnold Stark
Yes, 1 day to go. So far, I have collected 14 replies. These polls will
end tomorrow, so please send your votes now

1.) Imagine that you urgently need a zoom which covers the wide-angle
range for your k-mount camera. Imagine further, that you have more than
enough money to spend on such a zoom. Now imagine, that you enter a shop
which has plenty of new and used Pentax glass. What SMC Pentax zoom
would pick to cover the wide-angle range?

F17-28/3.5-4.5 Fish-Eye
FA20-35/f4 AL
M24-35-/f3.5
M24-50/f4
A24-50/f4
F24-50/f4
FA24-90/f3.5-4.5 IF&AL
K28-50/f3.5-4.5
M28-50/f3.5-4.5
FA*28-70/f2.8 AL
FA28-70/f4 AL
A28-80/f3.5-4.5
F28-80/f3.5-4.5
FA28-80/f3.5-4.7
FA28-80/f3.5-5.6 AL
FA28-105/f3.2-4.5 IF&AL
FA28-105/f4-5.6
FA28-105/f4-5.6 IF
A28-135/f4
FA28-200/f3.8-5.6 AL&IF

Please name up to 3 choices (1st, 2nd, and 3rd)  among the listed
lenses.

2.) What 3rd party zoom lenses covering the wide-angle range would you
consider  good alternatives? Please name up to 3 3rd party zooms.

So far the following 3rd party lenses have been voted for:

Sigma 15-30/3.5-4.5
Sigma EX 17-35 2.8
Sigma EX 17-35 2.8-4.0
Tamron SP 24-48
Vivitar Series 1 24-48/f3.8
Tokina RMC 4/25-50

3.) If you were dreaming, what would be your ideal (but realistic) SMC
Pentax Zoom lens for k-mount, covering the wide-angle range? So far the
following lenses have been suggested:

12-24mm F4 (or even better F2.8) rectiliear.
15-30/f4 IF&AL
17-35 recilinear
FA*17-51/f4 AL
FA18-45/f3.5-4.0
FA*18-100/f4.0 IF&AL
A*20-35/f2
FA20-35/f2.8 AL
24-90/f2.8
FA24-105/3.5-4.5

Enjoy these polls, and thanks in advance for contributing!

Arnold






Re: Which Photo quality printer?

2002-10-24 Thread Lon Williamson


gfen wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 24 Oct 2002, Dan Scott wrote:
> > to add a tiny smidgen of unsharp masking to get the smaller rez image
> 
> What exactly does unsharp mask accomplish?

the name is unfortunate and is derived from true darkroom lingo dealing
with a negative sandwich.  Unsharp mask increases contrast on edges by
lightening the light side and darkening the dark side.  Most people use
it to increase apparent image sharpness.  It's drawback is that it sharpens
noise and grain as well as edges.  PMI (PoorMan'sIce) will include a few
intelligent edge sharpening actions borrowed from the ideas of others.
For selective sharpening, Andrew Rodney and a few of the contributors
to Lumninous Landscape have a few actions that work well in some cases.

-Lon




Re[2]: Which Photo quality printer?

2002-10-24 Thread Bruce Dayton
gfen,

The Agfa DLabs print at 400 DPI.


Bruce



Thursday, October 24, 2002, 7:12:50 AM, you wrote:

g> On Thu, 24 Oct 2002, gfen wrote:
>> I did, and I was given the answer of 300 DPI, which to me just seems so
>> very low.. Then again, despite being a raging computer geek (reformed), I

g> I should've mentioned that I confirmed this number, however, in multiple
g> places.. the Frontier systems do in fact print at 300dpi.

g> Evidently, teh Frontier will just re-sample images at higher dpi down to
g> 300. Still not sure if its better to give them a 1200 dpi image, or resize
g> myself.. -shrug- Also, evidently, a Light Jet will also print out at 300
g> dpi.




Re: Which Photo quality printer?

2002-10-24 Thread Herb Chong
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>I should've mentioned that I confirmed this number, however, in multiple
places.. the Frontier systems do in fact print at 300dpi.

Evidently, teh Frontier will just re-sample images at higher dpi down to
300. Still not sure if its better to give them a 1200 dpi image, or resize
myself.. -shrug- Also, evidently, a Light Jet will also print out at 300
dpi.<

it should be fine since each of the 300 dots is a full range of colors,
unlike inkjet printers that have much high resolution but a fixed range of
colors at each dot.

Herb




RE: Travel Kit

2002-10-24 Thread tom
> -Original Message-
> From: Francis Alviar [mailto:alviar629030@;yahoo.com]
>
>
> Would you be happy with the following lenses for a
> travel kit?
>
> 4 are primes and 1 is a zoom
>
> 28mm f/3.5
> 50mm f/1.4
> 105mm f/2.8 macro
> 200mm f/4
>
> 45-125mm f/4
>
> Couple that with 2 bodies.
>
> Any lens you would leave home?  Any redundancy?

Um, this completely depends on what and how you like to shoot, and
what you're comfortable carrying. You'll have a better idea of what
you like once you've done it a couple of times.

Could *you* leave any of these at home? Will you be travelling alone?
Is the primary purpose photography, or travel?

My travel kit consists of the 20-35/4 and 77/1.8 right now. I might
substitute the 100/3.5 macro for the 77 if I think I'll be doing some
landscape stuff. The 43 might make it in there if it's an urban trip.

I think a camera would be nice to bring as well.

tv





RE: Travel Kit

2002-10-24 Thread Łukasz Kacperczyk
I'd leave the zoom at home (too heavy, not so useful focal range, and
despite the fact that it's said to be very good lens, it's a zoom and you've
got all the focal lenghts you really need in the primes you list), and would
put the 50mm on one body and the 105mm on the other. Hope this sentence is
lear :)

Regards,
Lukasz

-Original Message-
From: Francis Alviar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 6:23 PM
To: Pentax Discuss List
Subject: Travel Kit


Would you be happy with the following lenses for a
travel kit?

4 are primes and 1 is a zoom

28mm f/3.5
50mm f/1.4
105mm f/2.8 macro
200mm f/4

45-125mm f/4

Couple that with 2 bodies.

Any lens you would leave home?  Any redundancy?

Thanks.



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Travel Kit

2002-10-24 Thread Francis Alviar
Would you be happy with the following lenses for a
travel kit?

4 are primes and 1 is a zoom

28mm f/3.5
50mm f/1.4
105mm f/2.8 macro
200mm f/4

45-125mm f/4

Couple that with 2 bodies.

Any lens you would leave home?  Any redundancy?

Thanks.



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what's wrong with the list?

2002-10-24 Thread Francis Alviar
The list archive is not updated.  I only get digests
but it seems that the contents are all from a Chaso
deChaso.

Weird.

Is the list broken again?



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Re: A funny problem with digital

2002-10-24 Thread Peter Alling
Unless the sender made the original with a web-capable only camera with 640 
by 400
resolution, (or a more capable camera set to 640 by 400), simply downloaded 
and sent
it.  Then there is no full res file or more properly the file the customer 
has is the
full res file.


At 11:59 PM 10/24/2002 +1000, you wrote:
On 24 Oct 2002 at 7:43, William Robb wrote:

> This doesn't help with the original problem, which is a point
> and shoot customer base that wants to treat digital photography
> the same way as regular photography.

Well not entirely, from recollection your customer brought in a digital image
that had been received via email. Presumably it was shot by someone with a
digital camera and enough knowledge to download/resize/email your client a 
cute
little resized web pic.

Problem is that your customer wanted the cute little web pic turned into a
"real" photo, and the originator of the shot didn't send instructions to the
recipient stating that if the recipient wanted to make a "real" print that 
the
originator would send a suitable file.

Quite a few points of failure in that particular case, I wouldn't guess that
it'd be too common an event?

A full res file from most any digital camera would have produced a 10x8 print
that you could pretty well assume that the customer would have been happy 
with?

Cheers,

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Re: law and image

2002-10-24 Thread Cotty
>> Well if you've seen any images out of Bali in the last ten days of so
>> the teams of evidence gathering personel all seem to have digicams in
>> hand, I haven't seen a film camera yet.
>
>Not to disagree or anything but... if you are as addicted to 'crime' TV
>programmes such as CSI, Silent Witness, Dalziel & Pascoe, etc as my
>flipping family seem to be then all you tend to see is film cameras being
>used by forensics/pathologists.
>
>Of course they're all fiction, but it is my understanding as of this
>moment that in a UK court of law film is preferred. Cotty, care to comment
>from the (digital) TV news point of view??

I'll ask someone who will know and get back...

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Re: Travel Kit

2002-10-24 Thread Dan Scott

On Thursday, October 24, 2002, at 11:23 AM, Francis Alviar wrote:


Would you be happy with the following lenses for a
travel kit?

4 are primes and 1 is a zoom

28mm f/3.5
50mm f/1.4
105mm f/2.8 macro
200mm f/4

45-125mm f/4

Couple that with 2 bodies.

Any lens you would leave home?  Any redundancy?

Thanks.



Francis M. Alviar


Francis,

Where are you going, what are you planning on shooting?

Are you planning to spend a lot of time exploring a few places, but in 
great detail--or do you like to travel light and adapt what you have to 
suit the situation you find yourself in?

If I'm going sight seeing in a new city and have no idea of what will 
capture my interest, I'd take a  wide angle and a short telephoto. But 
if I knew I was going spend most of my time at the zoo photographing 
animals, I'd take a short and long telephoto. If I'm going to visit a 
friend and plan to make short forays from that base, I'd take everything 
that could conceivably be of use and pick from that assortment those 
lenses which would best support my itinerary .


Dan scott



Re: Let's go back to September 25,2002  (WAS Re: Stuff Re: Deletion fixes all)

2002-10-24 Thread David Brooks
Give it a rest please:(


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2CR5

2002-10-24 Thread Jeff
A couple of years ago I purchased a deal from Henry's, for 10 2CR5's over a
five years period.
At that time I owned a Z-1p & a Pro70. Both cameras were sold since, but I'm
still gettng these batteries regularly.
I have now 2 of them and 2 more to come, but no cameras for them.

If anyone in the GTA is interested in a deal, please contact me privately.

Jeff




Re: law and image

2002-10-24 Thread Dr E D F Williams
Holy shit!

Dr E D F Williams

http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams
Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery
Updated: March 30, 2002


- Original Message - 
From: "Chaso DeChaso" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: law and image


> I've attemped to establish film as a medium having a
> faithful connection to reality, the negative being not
> unlike for example a person's shadow, which has a
> sensical connection to the real, in contrast to
> digital imaging, wherein there is a separation from
> reality which occurs when the vestiges of the real are
> transformed into anonymous data.  The argument keeps
> cropping up that since a photo can be altered it is
> fiction anyway and nothing more to do with the real
> than digital is.  I am here arguing that if you use
> the methodology that something can be altered and
> therefore is nothing more than fiction than to be
> consistent one must apply this method to seeing
> itself: since optical illusions are possible and
> distortions are always present in seeing, then seeing
> must be regarded as a fiction (which is in a sense
> technically true, but indeed only technically so,
> since no one lives life disbelieving whatever he sees
> as a matter of course.)  Rules of evidence, if they
> are to equate film and digital by this methodology
> must therefore also equate seeing as pure fiction. 
> Since no one would argue this is so (no one would
> disregard all sightings of a crime as possible
> hallucination), I have undermined the methodology of
> simply saying that film is as fictional as digital
> because it can be altered.
> 
> Chaso
> 
> --- Dr E D F Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Chaos,
> > 
> > What on earth are you talking about?
> > 
> > Don
> > 
> > Dr E D F Williams
> > 
> > http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams
> > Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery
> > Updated: March 30, 2002
> > 
> > 
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Chaso DeChaso" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 5:29 PM
> > Subject: Re: law and image
> > 
> > 
> > > Right, they are all fiction.  It's as simple as
> > that. 
> > > Also there are optical illusions, distortions,
> > > uncertainties etc. in seeing so seeing is fiction
> > so I
> > > wonder why having seen something occur is
> > evidence?
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Of course they're all fiction, but it is my
> > > 
> > > 
> > > =
> > > Chaso DeChaso
> > > 
> > > 
> > > "Less is more cheap" - Osvaldo Valdes, Architect
> > > 
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> > > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> 
> =
> Chaso DeChaso
> 
> 
> "Less is more cheap" - Osvaldo Valdes, Architect
> 
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The circle is complete :)

2002-10-24 Thread David Brooks
Hi all.Thought i'd post a photography related subject.
Developing clas #5 went great,for me anyway,last night.Finally did 
the "full circle".
Shot a roll of Delta 3200 and 6400 of my friends band Oct 3 
2002,developed it in Tmax for 12 min.,made a contact sheet,and had 2-
3 nice shots to choice from.Picked on close up of the guitar 
player,did my test strips in record time (two tries)and did 2 
prints.The better of the 2 was were i did not change the fstop from 
the other person using the enlarger,and it worked out the 
best.Basically a black photo,with face,hands and partial guitar lit.
(shot under low beer tent light:))
May not be a big deal to most but this is the first time in 35+ 
years i/v done this.Its a fun and exciting as i hoped(and everyone 
has said)and the instructor has liked most of what he has seen of my 
B&W neg's.
We are already wondering if it would be cheaper to sign up for the 
winter course,than going to a rental darkroom facility??

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SV: Marketing images through the WWW

2002-10-24 Thread arkibladt
Very interesting subject
I actually brought this subject up on the list last year. Very few answers
form the list...


I found stock-photo agencies who wnated 50 or more original slides - I
wouldn't have any chance to make sure they wouldn't use them without paying
me one cent!

But - if you are good (not just at photographing, but you must know what the
market and demand is - which photographs sells, which motivs and which
"styles") and willing to take some risks - you can sell photographs. Some
people do, for a living.

I don't believe in selling photographs through your own web site. If you
want to, you must make sure your site is easy to find from any major
search-engine (yahoo, altavista, google etc.) Try contacting a marketing
consultant.

Regards
Jens

-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Pål Jensen [mailto:paaljensen@;sensewave.com]
Sendt: 23. oktober 2002 17:49
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: Marketing images through the WWW


Have any of you with your own web pages had any success in selling images
for stock use through the web? I've reading Ron Engh's "Sellphoto.com" and
setting up my own web page seem temping as I have quite a few unique and
saleable images..
For those who have experiences with this, have you actively marketed your
images towards potential clients? How much work is it to make your own (well
designed) web page for someone who has never done this sort of thing before?

Pål




RE: Which Photo quality printer?

2002-10-24 Thread Leonard Paris
The knowledge necessary to do it is still a requirement.  Have you actually 
seen the chip itself? It may have no numbers on it at all.  And, then, you 
may not be able to buy a programmer. Perhaps it would be easier to seek a 
way to bypass it.

Len
---


From: Herb Chong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Which Photo quality printer?
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 14:22:51 -0400

Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>The "chip reprogrammers", EPROM burners, aren't enough to get the job 
done

by themselves.  You need to know how to modify the program that is in the
EPROM, and that takes a certain amount of knowledge before you attempt it.
Nothing is as simple as it might seem.
<

these are not generic chip programmers. they are specifically designed to
reprogram Epson 1270 printer ink cartridges to report that they are full.

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Re: Re: Which Photo quality printer?

2002-10-24 Thread David Brooks
Pal.
I have the Canon BJC8200 and its successor the S800.They
both produce nice 8x10's(max size)The 800 is at 1200x2400
were the 8200 is 1200x1200.
They both take 6 cartridges and are about $20.00 Can each with life 
of about 45=48 pictures per tank.
I have yet to see a demo of the 9000 but may upgrade to that or an 
Epson 1280 next year.

Good luck in your quest.

Dave
 Begin Original Message 

Canon's new S9000 is also highly recommended, but I have no 
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Re: RE: A funny problem with digital

2002-10-24 Thread David Brooks
Ha.Goos one WW.
Its like when i email a proof from the D1(horse shows)to some one,i 
set it up to be as crappy a resolution as possible.I usually get an 
email a bit later saying they cannot print a good copy from there 
computer,must be a bad file.I tell them no its a good file,you want 
a print ,send me the cash:)

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Re: RE: The circle is complete :)

2002-10-24 Thread David Brooks
Actually i do have a room,wife wants it for something else.Humm may 
be if i send her on that cruise she always wanted for a week or so:)
My Dads old Vivitar enlarger,trays etc are still at his house.I do 
plan to get them and set up one day.
Thanks for the advice though Tom.

Dave
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From: "tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Do you have a room or a closet you could clean out?



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RE: The circle is complete :)

2002-10-24 Thread gfen
On Thu, 24 Oct 2002, tom wrote:
> You could probably put a decent darkroom together for $300. Hell,
> Collin B. could probably set you up for $50. ;)

Wit a second, is Colin selling a darkroom? :)




Re: Re: The circle is complete :)

2002-10-24 Thread David Brooks
D'oh.Pushed to 6400.
Thanks,its still here ready to mail.:)

Dave
 Begin Original Message 

From: "Brad Dobo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  I did not know Delta 6400 existed, or
did you just push the 3200 to 6400?

(Btw, the money order is in the mail, you should have it by now or 
soon)

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Re: law and image

2002-10-24 Thread Norm Baugher
LMAO...
Norm

Dr E D F Williams wrote:


Chaos,

I can do better than this with one of those Auto-Haiku programs that were in
vogue in the MS DOS days and may still be around for all I know. But you're
plonked - I'm sorry.

Don

Dr E D F Williams

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Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery
Updated: March 30, 2002


- Original Message -
From: "Chaso DeChaso" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: law and image


 

I've attemped to establish film as a medium having a
faithful connection to reality, the negative being not
unlike for example a person's shadow, which has a
sensical connection to the real, in contrast to
digital imaging, wherein there is a separation from
reality which occurs when the vestiges of the real are
transformed into anonymous data.  The argument keeps
cropping up that since a photo can be altered it is
fiction anyway and nothing more to do with the real
than digital is.  I am here arguing that if you use
the methodology that something can be altered and
therefore is nothing more than fiction than to be
consistent one must apply this method to seeing
itself: since optical illusions are possible and
distortions are always present in seeing, then seeing
must be regarded as a fiction (which is in a sense
technically true, but indeed only technically so,
since no one lives life disbelieving whatever he sees
as a matter of course.)  Rules of evidence, if they
are to equate film and digital by this methodology
must therefore also equate seeing as pure fiction.
Since no one would argue this is so (no one would
disregard all sightings of a crime as possible
hallucination), I have undermined the methodology of
simply saying that film is as fictional as digital
because it can be altered.

Chaso

--- Dr E D F Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
   

Chaos,

What on earth are you talking about?

Don

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- Original Message -
From: "Chaso DeChaso" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: law and image


 

Right, they are all fiction.  It's as simple as
   

that.
 

Also there are optical illusions, distortions,
uncertainties etc. in seeing so seeing is fiction
   

so I
 

wonder why having seen something occur is
   

evidence?
 

Of course they're all fiction, but it is my
 

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Re: OT - Introducing PoorMan'sIce for Photoshop; PDML testers wanted

2002-10-24 Thread Lon Williamson
Dan,

I might send you the initial release just to see if it breaks on
pShop 6.  Would that be ok?

Also, do you know anyone with an ICE- or FARE-enabled scanner?
I'd like to know how PMI stacks up.  I doubt if it's as good,
but I'm curious.  I've used ONE scanner and ONE printer in
my digital excursions so far.

Thanks.

-Lon

Dan Scott wrote:
> 
> On Thursday, October 24, 2002, at 10:04 AM, Lon Williamson wrote:
> 
> > Folks, I believe I've stumbled upon a useful thing.
> > I have created a Photoshop Action that ... blah blah blah.
> 
> Sounds great. If you want a tester for Photoshop 6 and 7, let me know.
> 
> Dan Scott




Re: The circle is complete :)

2002-10-24 Thread Norm Baugher
Great Dave, keep at it. Go for your own darkroom, you'll appreciate the 
flexibility it offers.
Norm

David Brooks wrote:










Re: Re: The circle is complete :)

2002-10-24 Thread David Brooks
I'm sure i will Norm.The whole class gets into it 100%.

Dave
 Begin Original Message 

From: Norm Baugher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 12:14:54 -0700
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: The circle is complete :)


Great Dave, keep at it. Go for your own darkroom, you'll appreciate 
the 
flexibility it offers.
Norm

David Brooks wrote:

>
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Re: Re: Quality film scanner at an acceptable price?

2002-10-24 Thread David Brooks
James.I beleive the list was around $675-699 Can for quite a 
while.Jeff 
reported seeing them at a computer store in the GTA last month for 
around $500 or less.If they are coming out with a 3200,i would 
assume the price will dip to sellof the 2450 stocks.

Dave

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From: James Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 10:59:29 -0700
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Quality film scanner at an acceptable price?


Bruce,
What sort of price can one expect to pay for an Epson 2450? I'm in 
Canada of
course, and mainly use 35mm.
James

- Original Message -
 From: "Bruce Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Pål Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: Quality film scanner at an acceptable price?


> Pål,
>
> I had the same needs as you.  A while back, I bought the Epson 2450
> hoping that it would do the job scanning my MF stuff.  The price 
was
> reasonable compared to the regular MF film scanners.  My experience
> with it was a bit mixed.  I wasn't getting the kind of quality out 
of
> the scans that I thought I should.  I ended up returning it.
>
> Later JCO got the same scanner and was having much better luck 
with it
> than I did.  I did some reading on the web and found that there had
> been some QC issues and some units were working well and some were
> behaving more like mine.
>
> I recently decided to give it another try and ordered another one
> (Epson 2450).  I have been using the supplied software (Epson Twain
> and Silverfast SE) instead of the Vuescan that I normally use.  I 
can
> say that I am having satisfactory results this time and have been 
able
> to scan and print as I had hoped.  I suspect that this is the only
> game in town at a reasonable price point.
>
> HTH,
>
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
> Wednesday, October 23, 2002, 8:45:33 AM, you wrote:
>
> PJ> Well, I'm considering a film scanner as well. Something that 
can scan
medium format in addition to 35mm slides. A Nikon 8000 is out of the 
question
due to its price. I understand there are some
> PJ> flatbed scanners that do an acceptable job. There's an Epson 
something (is
it called 2450?) that's generally recommended. However, I've read 
somewhere that
this model is about to be replaced with
> PJ> a model that scans at higher resolution. Any information and 
experiences
with sort of things?
>
> PJ> Pål
>




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Re: Marketing images through the WWW

2002-10-24 Thread Pål Jensen
Herb wrote:

> stock use usually requires a huge number of your photos to make it worth
> their while to talk to you. do you have a large number of photos? does the
> place that you were reading say how many photos from an individual are
> considered the minimum? reason i ask is that the places i have been reading
> say that they want a portfolio of a couple of hundred photos and some sign
> of you being able to produce a couple hundred a year of similar quality.
> have things changed that much in the 2 or 3 years since the books i have
> been reading have been written?

I wasn't thinking of selling images to a stock agency but sell images from stock for 
editorial use. The internet is potential powerful presentation and marketing tool.

Pål





RE: The circle is complete :)

2002-10-24 Thread tom
> -Original Message-
> From: gfen [mailto:gfen@;infotainment.org]
> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 2:59 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: The circle is complete :)
>
>
> On Thu, 24 Oct 2002, tom wrote:
> > You could probably put a decent darkroom together for $300. Hell,
> > Collin B. could probably set you up for $50. ;)
>
> Wit a second, is Colin selling a darkroom? :)

Not that I know of, but he's always finding stuff like that. He seems
to be the PDML deal-meister

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Re: Marketing images through the WWW

2002-10-24 Thread David Brooks
Not for stock photos ,Pal, but to try and sell my horse pictures to 
riders i cannot get in touch with.I have a small personal page with 
somewere around 50-70 images on it.Every once in a while i post 
something on some equine BB's and i get some sales from it.
Not enough to retire just yet

Dave
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From: Pål Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 17:49:04 +0200
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Marketing images through the WWW


Have any of you with your own web pages had any success in selling 
images for stock use through the web? I've reading Ron 
Engh's "Sellphoto.com" and setting up my own web page seem temping 
as I have quite a few unique and saleable images.. 
For those who have experiences with this, have you actively marketed 
your images towards potential clients? How much work is it to make 
your own (well designed) web page for someone who has never done 
this sort of thing before?

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Re: 2CR5

2002-10-24 Thread Ryan K. Brooks
Jeff wrote:


A couple of years ago I purchased a deal from Henry's, for 10 2CR5's over a
five years period.
At that time I owned a Z-1p & a Pro70. Both cameras were sold since, but I'm
still gettng these batteries regularly.
I have now 2 of them and 2 more to come, but no cameras for them.

If anyone in the GTA is interested in a deal, please contact me privately.

Jeff

 

Speaking of which, are there any similar deals these days (in the 
States)?   My local stores charge quite a bit for CR2s and CR123s and I 
always seem to leave the 67ii on and drain the batts.

-R





Inexpensive flash recommendation

2002-10-24 Thread awrobinson
I'm looking for flash with these characteristics to use with my ZX-L:

1. TTL
2. Autofocus assist (the red spot beam from another thread)
3. Under $50 US

I thought I had found such a flash with the Vivitar 728. However, when it arrived from 
B&H, the manual noted that the autofocus assist works only with Canon and Nikon 
cameras. I tested the flash and found the auto focus assist does not completely not 
work with my Pentax, but the results were close enough to make the manual correct. 
(How's that for a terrible sentence.) 

The reason I'm looking for a cheap flash is that I've put a real flash, the Pentax AF 
500 FTZ, on my Christmas wish list. Right now, I'm debating with myself on returning 
the Vivitar. I could probably justify its cost as a relatively light weight fill-flash 
for outdoor events like Mardi Gras. However, if I could find a flash that met ALL my 
criteria, I would return the Vivitar and buy the other one. 

I've looked around on the web, but haven't found anything. On eBay, someone is selling 
a lot of Sakar flashes that claim to have TTL and auto focus assist capbilities. I 
have never heard of Sakar before, so I'm suspicious even at those prices. 

Does anyone know any flash models that would meet my criteria?

Thanks!

Andrew Robinson 




RE: The circle is complete :)

2002-10-24 Thread gfen
On Thu, 24 Oct 2002, tom wrote:
> Not that I know of, but he's always finding stuff like that. He seems
> to be the PDML deal-meister

I've already told him we need to setup a hotline so he can just directly
access my funds..




Re: Quality film scanner at an acceptable price?

2002-10-24 Thread Jan van Wijk
Hi David,

On Thu, 24 Oct 2002 20:52:00 +1300, David A. Mann wrote:

>P†l Jensen wrote:
>
>> Well, I'm considering a film scanner as well. Something that can scan
>> medium format in addition to 35mm slides. A Nikon 8000 is out of the
>> question due to its price.
>
>The guys at my local camera shop have told me that the Nikon 8000 had a 
>few problems.  At least all the ones they sold did.

What kind of problems did they encounter ?

Curious because I just got my 8000 ED this week, and the first few
scans of 6x7 negatives (Fuji Reala 100) are great ...

(And litteraly great tool, well over 200 Mb each :-)

Regards, JvW
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OT: Nikon 50's

2002-10-24 Thread tom
My sister has a N50 (I think) with some crappy zoom lens. I want to
get her a 50.

- Do the older non-af 50's work on this camera?
- IS the AF 50/1.8 optically ok? I know it's got pretty crappy build
quality, but if the optics are ok and close-focusing is good it might
be the ticket.

I know this isn't exactly the place for this post, but I know some of
you have experience with Nikon, and I didn't want to have to subscribe
to that crappy Nikon list.

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RE: Which Photo quality printer?

2002-10-24 Thread Herb Chong
they hold the ink cartridge and touch the contacts on the cartridge and
don't remove or access the chip at all. i don't see how more specific you
can get.

Herb...




Re: Marketing images through the WWW

2002-10-24 Thread Herb Chong
Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>I wasn't thinking of selling images to a stock agency but sell images from
stock for editorial use. The internet is potential powerful presentation
and marketing tool.

Pål<

having just done it myself, i have to offer that you will get very few hits
on your web site by editors and writers, if any, looking for stuff. you
will have to have the site there to refer people that you contact via other
means. IOW, you have to have enough people see your traditional pictures
first that may know someone that could use a picture of yours. i have close
to 2000 pictures of outdoors and hiking in the Lower Hudson Valley on my
web site. it's the largest such collection on the Internet by close to an
order of magnitude. all of my editorial contacts for photos of mine have
been through friends who work in organizations that are contacted because
they are familiar with the area and with my photos. even with all that,
most of my photos i have sold are directly to friends or friends of friends
looking for gifts. the reasons why editors and writers won't search the
Internet at large is because they don't know anything about people they may
contact with respect to licensing, technical competence, availability, and
so on. traditional means of contact are still the way you get sales.

Herb




Re: Digital and film (WAS:The flagship is coming! The flagship is coming!)

2002-10-24 Thread Frits Wüthrich
On Thursday 24 October 2002 13:41, Rubenstein, Bruce M (Bruce) wrote:
> That would be for voltage. Light is power, so 10 log.
>
> BR
Yup, nothing to ad.
-- 
Frits Wüthrich




test

2002-10-24 Thread Clint Allen
test




yet more testing

2002-10-24 Thread Doug Brewer
wheee




more testing

2002-10-24 Thread Doug Brewer
grumble




Re: OT: Nikon 50's

2002-10-24 Thread Albano Garcia
Hi, Tom
No, the old is not going to work. The lens must be
kept with the diafragm "closed and locked" (a position
Nikon's lenses have that is a rough equivalent to
Pentax's A position), since aperture is controlled
from body in that very basic model.
The 50mm 1.8 is very good optically, bokeh a bit harsh
a la Nikon, construction is a POS, but it's a bargain
for the money.
Regards

Albano

--- tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My sister has a N50 (I think) with some crappy zoom
> lens. I want to
> get her a 50.
> 
> - Do the older non-af 50's work on this camera?
> - IS the AF 50/1.8 optically ok? I know it's got
> pretty crappy build
> quality, but if the optics are ok and close-focusing
> is good it might
> be the ticket.
> 
> I know this isn't exactly the place for this post,
> but I know some of
> you have experience with Nikon, and I didn't want to
> have to subscribe
> to that crappy Nikon list.
> 
> tv
> 
> 
> 


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Re: Let's go back to September 25,2002 (WAS Re: Stuff Re: Deletion fixes all)

2002-10-24 Thread Dr E D F Williams
Poor Brad,

Don't be silly. I never once said I objected to bad language. You got it
wrong then and still have it wrong. You'd better dig some more, amongst your
12693 messages, and find out what really happened. But even if we were all
to start swearing like troopers the FAQ allows for this. It tells us that
this is an adult list and more. However, some weeks ago our attention was
drawn to the fact that there are some youngsters reading the posts. Since
then no one has used strong language.

Some of us find many of your endless stream of posts tiresome and have said
as much. If you insist on posting rubbish people are bound to object; some
gently as I have done up to now. But I eventually realised that irony
escapes you and my efforts had been in vain. So I became more forthright.
But that has only hurt your feelings. You also need funny faces to help you
along. Too bad.

I had a filter for you, but when the list got in a mess it stopped working.
I'll fix it now. If you need to discuss this message you'll have to contact
me off list. But I have to warn you I might not be so gentle.

Don

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- Original Message -
From: "Brad Dobo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 9:12 PM
Subject: Let's go back to September 25,2002 (WAS Re: Stuff Re: Deletion
fixes all)


> Doctor,
>
> Talk about useless junk mail!  You swore a couple times in there I see.
If
> I remember correctly, you got all hot and bothered with a questionable
email
> I had written, told the group what you thought, and left us for a while,
> funny thing, the list members noticed that while you slammed me about
> language, you made the mistake yourself when responding.
>
> It's interesting that when you came back, you found yourself in the middle
> of an argument right away.  I did not dig enough to see when you started
> posting again, but it seems to me you came back just to argue.
>
> From September 25, 2002 (there is another such email, but I didn't want to
> spend much time dealing with inflated heads)
> -Begin Message-
> Can't handle 300+ messages a day; don't wish to handle messages where
people
> call each other 'Pl d**k' or 'S**t for Brains' and write 'f**k you!';
or
> where they insult beloved public figures and deride the values of others.
>
> Can't handle this puerile s**t - so bye-bye for a while.
>
> D
>
> Dr E D F Williams
> -End Message-
>
> Of course I removed some letters for posting here, but you at the time did
> not.  At least your language this time was toned down, yet to many people,
> it is still swearing.  Moreover, you behaved rather foolishly and
> insultingly while telling me not to?
>
> Seems like the Dr. title has gone to your head.
> Time for filter #2
>
> Brad Dobo
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Dr E D F Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 6:06 AM
> Subject: OT: Stuff Re: Deletion fixes all
>
>
> > My Dear Brad,
> >
> > The first message about the Texas exhibition was about 400 messages down
> and
> > I simply couldn't be bothered to sort them out before deleting. It was
my
> > way of saying I'd had enough and a superfluous message to those not
taking
> > part. The thread had degenerated and was/is about to go bad. But you too
> > spend quite a lot of time posting stuff that is designed to let us know
> how
> > clever you are. Strings of silly pseudo-philosophical crap don't do it.
> > Especially when they are laced with meaningless, out of place,
> abstractions.
> >
> > Here are some more useless observations:
> >
> > In every room where there is a group of people exceeding some number
that
> > I've forgotten, there will be two who were born on the same day; one in
20
> > will be a leader; there will be a couple of bullies and a drunk; at
least
> > one smart alec and a bigot. I forget the rest now - its simple
statistics.
> >
> > Below is something useful:
> >
> > One thing we should all learn from being part of a sizable list like
this
> is
> > that there is always someone who knows more than you do about the
subject
> at
> > hand. If you resent this you are a fool.  If you exploit this fact to
> > improve your own knowledge or understanding, then you have much to gain.
> >
> > Simple plain English with no smiling face crap.
> >
> > Don
> >
> > Dr E D F Williams
> >
> > http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams
> > Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery
> > Updated: March 30, 2002
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Brad Dobo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 10:53 AM
> > Subject: Re: Deletion fixes all
> >
> >
> > > Don,
> > >
> > > Ummmjust a curious question, why did you tell us this?
> > >
> > > You don't have to answer this if you find it invasive, but how did 400
> old
> > > messages of that

test3

2002-10-24 Thread Clint Allen
test3




test4

2002-10-24 Thread Clint Allen
test4




Re: A funny problem with digital

2002-10-24 Thread William Robb

- Original Message -
From: Dr E D F Williams

Subject: Re: A funny problem with digital


> Scott,
>
> Okay. According to all I've read this afternoon on the web
about Genuine
> Fractals it seems to be able to do what I thought - resize
without messing
> things too badly. One author writes this about resizing images
upwards with
> the Photoshop Plug-in:

I used Genuine Fractals to boost the size of a very small
digital camera image (I think I had about 160x200 pixels to work
with) so I could run an 8x10 print.
It worked, sort of. I still had to do a bunch of smoothing work,
but it was way better than I expected.

This doesn't help with the original problem, which is a point
and shoot customer base that wants to treat digital photography
the same way as regular photography.
They don't want a computer program, they want Aunt Martha in the
back row to be in focus.
And it has to be point and shoot, with no real thought going
into it.
If they can't get that, they will go back to film.

William Robb




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