Re: I have seen the istD...

2003-10-31 Thread John Francis
 
 How many Mpixel is the G1? 3.3?

Maximum resolution is 2048 x 1536 pixels of imaging area.
That's either 3 or 3.3 depending on how (and what) you count.

Pro:  It uses CF cards (and can accept microdrives)
Con:  It uses proprietary batteries (511/512).  They're the
  same batteries most Canon digitals use, but if you want
  the external charger be prepared to pay through the nose.



RE: I have seen the istD...

2003-10-31 Thread J. C. O'Connell
It doesnt come with batteries and an external charger?


   J.C. O'Connell   mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://jcoconnell.com


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From: John Francis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: I have seen the istD...



 How many Mpixel is the G1? 3.3?

Maximum resolution is 2048 x 1536 pixels of imaging area.
That's either 3 or 3.3 depending on how (and what) you count.

Pro:  It uses CF cards (and can accept microdrives)
Con:  It uses proprietary batteries (511/512).  They're the
  same batteries most Canon digitals use, but if you want
  the external charger be prepared to pay through the nose.



Re: slide exposure

2003-10-31 Thread John Francis
 Question is, why is underexposure easier to handle?  Presumably white is 
 represented by some number, say 255, and black by 0.  You'd think exposure 
 would fall off either end just as easily.  Does it have to do with an 
 exponential response curve of some sort like film has?  Sort of Tri-X like 
 in the toe and T-max like at the top...

Yes, pretty much.  Think of a CCD sensor as a device for counting photons.
If you double the exposure time (increasing exposure by one stop) you'll
get twice as many photons in the bucket.  Halve the exposure time and you
only get half as many photons.

This means that an image overexposed by one stop would have counts that
(after scaling) would range from 0 to 511.  This is clipped to the range
0 to 255, with everything above 255 ending up mapped to 255.  The visual
effect is that the bright areas of the image are all washed out to white.
An underexposed image, on the other hand, simply has values in the range
0 to 127.  You can get back to the 0 to 255 range by simply multiplying
all the values by two, although you lose one bit of precision.



Re: I have seen the istD...

2003-10-31 Thread John Francis
 
 It [the G1] doesnt come with batteries and an external charger?

Battery (one), yes.
External charger, no - you charge the battery in-camera.

I found that far too restrictive, so I purchased a second battery
(around $60) and the external charger ($160, including car adapter).
I suspect prices have come down a bit since then, but that's what
I had to pay at the time (nobody except Canon USA had the charger
in stock, so I had to pay list price, not discount street price).

Best-quality JPEG images tend to be around 1.25 - 1.5MB, so I get
180 or so on a 256MB card.  With fairly heavy use of the LCD I can
use up a battery before I fill up the card; leave the LCD off most
of the time and I can easily fill two 256MB cards on a single charge
(in each case shooting over a two to three hour period).



Re: SAFOX VIII working range

2003-10-31 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
on 30.10.03 21:30, Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I was curious - how good is the new SAFOX VIII (on *ist*istD) in low light?
 In the Phil's review, it looks dissapointing; 0,1EV with a 1.4 lens, as
 opposed to -1EV for the 10D.
I made some dirt  quick tests of SAFOX VIII last weekend, comparing it to
SAFOX VII  in MZ-S. And while in good light, *istD was able to lock faster
on very low-contrast subjects, but in poor lighting it was hunting and
getting very slow. It needed about two times more hunting that MZ-S did
and thus was two times slower. Also it seems, that it had more problems with
strongly defocused image (with long lenses), than SAFOX VII did - it spinned
first in the wrong direction, then in the right to obtain proper focus. MZ-S
had less problems with it, but a winner was... Z-20 and SAFOX II with one
wide AF sensor, which followed in the right direction even with very
defocused image from my Sigma 180/3.5 almost all the time. Otherwise, SAFOX
VIII proved to be very fast and sure, but it simply needed more light. I
hope Pentax will solve these small problems with SAFOX IX or anything to
come. Mentioned problems are not important for me, and as a matter of fact,
AF slowed down at light levels that made even iso3200 hardly useable, and
you could use in these conditions flash, which provides AF assist lamp
anyway, but people who use long telephoto lenses with AF would like probably
to have more effective SAFOX.

-- 
Best Regards
Sylwek




Re: SAFOX VIII working range

2003-10-31 Thread Alin Flaider

  Sylwester, how precise is the SAFOX VIII in the light of previous
  reports on how SAFOX IV and even VII produce slightly defocused
  results with certain lenses (notably FA 50/1.4 not achieving
  infinity). Did you feel you can improve the focus manually?

  Servus,  Alin

Sylwester wrote:

SP I made some dirt  quick tests of SAFOX VIII last weekend, comparing it to
SP SAFOX VII  in MZ-S. And while in good light, *istD was able to lock faster
SP on very low-contrast subjects, but in poor lighting it was hunting and
SP getting very slow. It needed about two times more hunting that MZ-S did
SP and thus was two times slower. Also it seems, that it had more problems with
SP strongly defocused image (with long lenses), than SAFOX VII did - it spinned
SP first in the wrong direction, then in the right to obtain proper focus. MZ-S
SP had less problems with it, but a winner was... Z-20 and SAFOX II with one
SP wide AF sensor, which followed in the right direction even with very
SP defocused image from my Sigma 180/3.5 almost all the time. Otherwise, SAFOX
SP VIII proved to be very fast and sure, but it simply needed more light. I
SP hope Pentax will solve these small problems with SAFOX IX or anything to
SP come. Mentioned problems are not important for me, and as a matter of fact,
SP AF slowed down at light levels that made even iso3200 hardly useable, and
SP you could use in these conditions flash, which provides AF assist lamp
SP anyway, but people who use long telephoto lenses with AF would like probably
SP to have more effective SAFOX.



Re: OT:- Scanning for Dummies

2003-10-31 Thread Eactivist
 I've finally started to scan some of my 35mm trannies, and quickly come to
 the conclusion that I don't know what I'm doing.

 I can make scans and some of them look OK, but I have 1001 questions to
ask
 around, how to prepare the trannies, the optimum dpi, final image size,
best
 format to hold the scan files in etc.

 Is there a book or a site along the lines of Scanning 101 that will help
me
 understand the basics.

Yeah, Scanning 101 at http://www.scantips.com/

More scanning stuff than you'll ever want to know.

Marnie aka Doe   



Re: slide exposure

2003-10-31 Thread Eactivist
John Francis wrote:

This means that an image overexposed by one stop would have counts that
(after scaling) would range from 0 to 511.  This is clipped to the range
0 to 255, with everything above 255 ending up mapped to 255.  The visual
effect is that the bright areas of the image are all washed out to white.
An underexposed image, on the other hand, simply has values in the range
0 to 127.  You can get back to the 0 to 255 range by simply multiplying
all the values by two, although you lose one bit of precision.

Egad, that almost makes sense and math is not my strong suit (also still 
resting my brain from informational overload).

And it's easier to lighten (successfully) in photo editing programs than it 
is to darken (successfully). Darkening tends to gray things out.

Marnie aka Doe  Well, in my experience. And that a nontechnical answer as 
well. :-)



Re: SAFOX VIII working range

2003-10-31 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
on 31.10.03 9:10, Alin Flaider at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Sylwester, how precise is the SAFOX VIII in the light of previous
 reports on how SAFOX IV and even VII produce slightly defocused
 results with certain lenses (notably FA 50/1.4 not achieving
 infinity). Did you feel you can improve the focus manually?
 
Alin, 
I didn't make these particular tests. And althought I have some shots with
focus slightly in the front of subject, it can't be judged by that, because
they were made hanheld with very shallow DOF (180mm at f3.5 and 100mm at
f2.8), so it could be just my and/or my subject's movement. Fortunately I
have never had these problems with MZ-S and my lenses (FA 35/2, FA 24-90 and
Sigma 180/3.5 macro), so I hope the examples made with *istD were sllightly
out of focus just by my mistake.

-- 
Best Regards
Sylwek




Re: PhotoShop - memory requirements

2003-10-31 Thread Eactivist
Elements is probably good enough. I am using it and I am familiar with 
PaintShop Pro 5-7, so even though I don't know PhotoShop, I am pretty familiar with 
digital editing. Most programs of that type have tons more menu selections and 
options than the average person needs. It also means that complete digital 
editing programs can have the highest learning curve of any type of program out 
there.

So, if it was me, I'd start with the cheaper program. Elements does the 
basics and a bit more than the basics sometimes. I've found it just fine for 
scanning in, doing some basic editing, then printing. It also makes some web page 
galleries if you want to share stuff on the Net. And it is easy to pick up. Low 
learning curve.

However, I found even it a memory hog (where PaintShop Pro 7 is not). So I 
added 128 (I think it was) and now it is fine. Screen redraws took too long. I'd 
suggest trying it out first without new memory and seeing how you do.

I also added in the Kodak dust remover plug-in. Had to lie and say I had a 
Kodak camera -- you can get it free online. I really, really like it. Sorry, 
don't have the URL handy, but it's a nice plug-in.

Have fun. That's the main thing. And they even have Elements for Dummy type 
books if you get stuck.

Marnie aka Doe  HTH.



Printer resolution (was: Re: posted *istD Samples)

2003-10-31 Thread Cotty
On 31/10/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

  The 11 print was then compared to a 11 print I made from
  scanned 4X5 ektachrome 100.  The ist image has remarkable lack
  of grain/noise and looks virtually as good as the 4x5 print
  in that respect.  The resolution however is clearly not at
  the same level when examining with a loupe. This is exactly
  as I expected.

But, how many people view an 11 print through a loupe.  Most folks hang one
that size on the wall and view it from several feet away.

This raises a very interesting point. I have been re-reading Photoshop
for Photographers by Martin Evening and I came across a section on
printing resolution that I didn't recall.

In it, the author says that

'the optimum pixel resolution [of the printed image] should ideally be
the printer dpi divisible by a whole number. The following pixel
resolutions should be used [for a 1440/2880 printer] : 144, 160, 180,
240, 288, 320, 360. To make large inkjets for viewing at a greater
distance, use a low pixel resolution. For smaller sized portfolio prints
I normally use a 240 ppi resolution. I doubt very much you will notice
any improvement in print quality if you choose a resolution that is
higher than this.'

This subject has been discussed on the list before, but what with the
recent arrival of the *ist D into many eager Pentax user's hands, it may
be of interest again now.

Off the starting blocks I have always been printing at 300 dpi and always
been very happy with the results. I think I tried 200 dpi once and
noticed the difference. My image size out of the (light-tight) box is
3072 pixels by 2048 pixels with a file size in Photoshop of 18 MB (from a
large/fine jpeg).

If I change the resolution to 300 ppi (without changing the dimensions -
file size - that is without getting Photoshop to interpolate extra info
into the image) then my physical size of print will be 26cm by 17cm or
thereabouts. That's roughly 10X 6 1/2. So at 300 ppi, if I want to fill
a nice A3 print, I would normally increase the size to (say) 40cmX26cm,
also increasing the pixel count from 3072X2048 to 4724X3150, and bumping
up the file size from 18 MB to a whopping 42 MB. Photoshop interpolates
very well and the prints are really nice.

But now if I change things slightly and select a resolution of 240ppi as
Mr Evening suggests, the size increase is much less in terms of added
Photoshop interpolation. 3072X2048 goes up to 3780X2520, and file size
jumps from 18MB to only 26MB.

I don't really have a question in starting this thread, rather just the
above observations. It's my last day off sick (I'm feeling much better
after being attacked by a flu bug) so I'll be using a bit of ink up doing
some tests.

Any thoughts / comments / pointers ? How do you do it ?




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: Ok I finally got to ask why LXen

2003-10-31 Thread Bob Walkden
Hi,

Friday, October 31, 2003, 12:35:59 AM, you wrote:

 I think I am the one who started using MXen as the plural for MX, based on 
 German usage, in response to all the English grammer critics on rec.phot.* who 
 claimed that it was improper to use MX's. I have since discovered they are full 
 of it. Using an apostrophe when making the plural of an acronym is proper usage 
 according to my style manual.

Which style manual is that?

It disagrees with the Oxford Style Manual, which says Do not use the
apostrophe when creating plurals. This includes names, abbreviations
(with or without full points), numbers and words not usually used as
nouns [a list follows]. Do not employ what is sometimes known as 'the
greengrocer's apostrophe', such as lettuce's for lettuces and cauli's
for cauliflowers..

-- 
Cheers,
 Bobmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: LXist

2003-10-31 Thread Cotty
On 31/10/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

 For the cause I will gladly let my name be known for the mentioned
 collective noun.

Umm, someone has to ask this.

Would a person buying several LXes then be doing a Cesar Metamorphosis?

And surely if it can rain cats and dogs it can hale Cesars?


Cheers,
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Re: Printer resolution (was: Re: posted *istD Samples)

2003-10-31 Thread Herb Chong
Epson printer drivers will not go above 360 dpi. send higher resolution
(i.e. 6Kx4K for a 4x6 print) and it will downsample. i suspect Canon ones
are the same with a different number, probably 300dpi since their quoted
printer resolutions are multiples of 300.

Herb...
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Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 4:33 AM
Subject: Printer resolution (was: Re: posted *istD Samples)


 Off the starting blocks I have always been printing at 300 dpi and always
 been very happy with the results. I think I tried 200 dpi once and
 noticed the difference. My image size out of the (light-tight) box is
 3072 pixels by 2048 pixels with a file size in Photoshop of 18 MB (from a
 large/fine jpeg).

 If I change the resolution to 300 ppi (without changing the dimensions -
 file size - that is without getting Photoshop to interpolate extra info
 into the image) then my physical size of print will be 26cm by 17cm or
 thereabouts. That's roughly 10X 6 1/2. So at 300 ppi, if I want to fill
 a nice A3 print, I would normally increase the size to (say) 40cmX26cm,
 also increasing the pixel count from 3072X2048 to 4724X3150, and bumping
 up the file size from 18 MB to a whopping 42 MB. Photoshop interpolates
 very well and the prints are really nice.

 But now if I change things slightly and select a resolution of 240ppi as
 Mr Evening suggests, the size increase is much less in terms of added
 Photoshop interpolation. 3072X2048 goes up to 3780X2520, and file size
 jumps from 18MB to only 26MB.




Re: Ok I finally got to ask why LXen

2003-10-31 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
Look here for more info:
http://webster.commnet.edu/grammar/plurals.htm

Check the section:
Plurals and Apostrophes



Re: Ok I finally got to ask why LXen

2003-10-31 Thread Keith Whaley


graywolf wrote:
 
[. . .]

 (For anyone who cares the Oxford American Dictionary says a's or as, the New
 Heritage Dictionary says a's)
 ---

And my Oxford Pocket Dictionary and Thesaurus, American Edition, 1997,
says the plural of an a is either As, or A's or a's.
It does not list as because that would be ambiguous, and
indistinguishable from the adverb...

keith



Wide Angle on Sexist D

2003-10-31 Thread Joseph Tainter
One thing I would miss on an APS-sized sensor is full use of my F17-28, 
with which I have taken some favorite shots. So I wonder if these 
sensors might mean that, finally, there is a use for circular fisheyes. 
Here're the numbers:

Sexist D sensor: 23.5 x 15.7 mm.
Sigma 8 mm. circular fisheye image circle: 22 mm.
So there would be a clip at the corners. It might still be useable, 
though. I look forward to a report when someone tries this.

Joe



Re: SAFOX VIII working range

2003-10-31 Thread John Francis
 
 on 30.10.03 21:30, Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I was curious - how good is the new SAFOX VIII (on *ist*istD) in low light?
  In the Phil's review, it looks dissapointing; 0,1EV with a 1.4 lens, as
  opposed to -1EV for the 10D.
 I made some dirt  quick tests of SAFOX VIII last weekend, comparing it to
 SAFOX VII  in MZ-S.  . . .  but a winner was... Z-20 and SAFOX II with one
 wide AF sensor, which followed in the right direction  ...

That (SAFOX II) is the same AF system as in the PZ-1p, right?
In that case your experience is exactly the opposite of mine.  I find that
the MZ-S almost always guesses right on how to focus, while the PZ-1p is
far more prone to guessing wrong, spinning the lens all the way to the stop,
and only achieving focus in the return directon (this is particularly true
when the lens is currently focussed a little closer than the object).

I'll probably be checking the *ist-D AF tonight at a Halloween party.



digital viewfinders

2003-10-31 Thread Steve Desjardins
A few days ago, I was looking as a friends Rollei MF camera with a waist
level finder.  Since it's parent's weekend here at the college, I have
also noticed many folks taking shots using the LCD screen and not the
viewfinder (I'm yet to see a film camera this today).  It strikes me
that it would be handy to have a digital camera with a waist level
finder and shade that consisted of a horizontal LCD screen.  The screen
on the E-10 can fold out, but it's awkward to use the camera this way. 
I'm thinking of a horizontal top-mounted LCD.  It is just me or does
this sound like something useful?


Steven Desjardins
Department of Chemistry
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450
(540) 458-8873
FAX: (540) 458-8878
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: digital viewfinders

2003-10-31 Thread alex wetmore
On Fri, 31 Oct 2003, Steve Desjardins wrote:
 A few days ago, I was looking as a friends Rollei MF camera with a waist
 level finder.  Since it's parent's weekend here at the college, I have
 also noticed many folks taking shots using the LCD screen and not the
 viewfinder (I'm yet to see a film camera this today).  It strikes me
 that it would be handy to have a digital camera with a waist level
 finder and shade that consisted of a horizontal LCD screen.  The screen
 on the E-10 can fold out, but it's awkward to use the camera this way.
 I'm thinking of a horizontal top-mounted LCD.  It is just me or does
 this sound like something useful?

It is very useful.  My digital camera before the *ist D was a
Sony DSC-F717 which has a rotating viewfinder (the whole back
of the camera rotates).  I used this all the time.

A few times that I liked it:
* tripod usage -- I can carry a shorter/lighter tripod for travelling
* macros and ground level shots -- don't have to kneel in the mud.
* discrete shooting -- people don't think that you are taking photographs
when the camera is in your lap (the nearly silent shutter helps too).

alex



Re: Ok I finally got to ask why LXen

2003-10-31 Thread Bob Walkden
Hi,

Two nations divided by a common language, I think.

I'm certainly aware of the use of the apostrophe to indicate
contractions. What we are taught is that there are 2 main uses for the
apostrophe: to indicate possession, and to replace missing letters in
contractions. There are one or 2 exceptions, and other fairly minor
uses. The Oxford Guide to Style gives OK'ing, KO'd, OD's, SOS'ing as
examples.

For the record, I don't 'insist upon concrete rules of usage', and I'm
in no way 'kind of ignorant of the multitudes of variation in such
usage'. Issues like this are a matter of degree, and to some extent of
culture. We already see the influence of text messaging on the way
people write and spell. There are people who defend -'s as a plural
using exactly your arguments who will get hot under the collar about
CUL8R etc. Nobody can be 100% consistent in this. LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENS
WHEN PEOPLE WRITE ALL IN CAPITALS. HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE BEFORE OTHERWISE
MILD-MANNERED PEOPLE GET ANNOYED AT THAT and consider also all those
people whove given up on punctuation and speling altogether and defend
themselves with the claim that hey their getting thr msg across so
fuck off dude its all about comunicatn anyway and you know what im
saying without me having to follow all your rules
whydoweevenbotherwithspacesbetweenwordsitworkedjustfinefortheromansitcanworkjustfineforussogetoffofmycase

The important thing is to know when it is and isn't suitable to use
something in different circumstances. One thing I think we can be fairly
sure about is that you cannot go wrong if you stick to 'the rules'. But you
can go wrong if you adopt the 'anything goes' approach. Imagine an
undertaker addressing a grieving widow with Yo, bitch! Where's the
stiff?. Perhaps there are some cultures where this would be
acceptable, but an undertaker would be ill-advised to use it in all
circumstances.

Bob

Friday, October 31, 2003, 3:47:04 PM, you wrote:

 Argh*, see why I started using MXen. Bob was there on 
 rec.photo.equipment.35mm back in 1992-93. :)

 The problem with that thinking, Bob, is that the apostrophe is also used when 
 leaving out letters: don't, o'clock, and MX's instead of MXes. Further the New 
 Heritage Dictionary indicates that it is proper to form plurals of acronyms by 
 adding 's to them. That makes two common usages that say MX's is proper.

 My experience with those who insist upon concrete rules of usage is that they 
 are kind of ignorant of the multitudes of variation in such usage. There are no 
 concrete rules, only generally accepted usage. The Oxford references always 
 seems to try and be too rigid in their definitions.

 I usually use Strunk and White as my style manual as I like their simplified 
 style. What I seldom use is what my school teachers taught me as I have 
 discovered that they basically didn't have a clue and thus tried to reduce 
 communications to stupid and conflicting rules.

 The only real rule in writing english is clear communication. If my readers 
 understand what I meant then my style is good, if they do not then my style is 
 bad. Since I am not a college professor nor a lawyer, impressing the reader with 
 my erudition is quite far down on my writing style list.

 * Did I get the right number of a's? Or is that as, or aes, or... Oh, never 
 mind! ;)

 (For anyone who cares the Oxford American Dictionary says a's or as, the New 
 Heritage Dictionary says a's)
 ---



FS Friday

2003-10-31 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
I have a RED Pentax PC35AF with winder and case.
Can't get it to work.
Anyone want it for a shelf collectible?
$5 + shpg.



Re: PhotoShop - memory requirements

2003-10-31 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Elements is probably good enough. I am using it and I am familiar 
with 
 PaintShop Pro 5-7, so even though I don't know PhotoShop, I am 
pretty familiar with 
 digital editing. Most programs of that type have tons more menu 
selections and 
 options than the average person needs. 

Hi,

There's a bit of truth to what you say, although, IMO, Elements is 
lacking some important tools, such as the healing brush, the patch 
tool, curves, color balance, and channel mixer, and there's also no 
access to channels, all of which I've found a use for on more than one 
occasion and some of which are used with every photograph processed.

Frankly, there's a nice little free program called Irfan that's a joy 
to use, and while it lacks many features of PS and Elements, it's 
super for proofing work and for minor touch ups.

Kind regards,

Tyrone 



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Re: Printer resolution (was: Re: posted *istD Samples)

2003-10-31 Thread John Francis
 
 In it, the author says that
 
 'the optimum pixel resolution [of the printed image] should ideally be
 the printer dpi divisible by a whole number. The following pixel
 resolutions should be used [for a 1440/2880 printer] : 144, 160, 180,
 240, 288, 320, 360.

The reason for this is fairly simple.  The printer driver software uses
dithering to get the various shades of colour. The dithering is done for
each input pixel, which corresponds to a rectangular array of inkdot sites.

For example, a 360ppi image on that 1440/2880 printer has a 4x8 array of
possible inkdot sites.  If the printer also has two different drop sizes
this means the printer can manage something like 64 different levels of
each colour at each pixel location.

Dithering is much, *much* simpler if the number of input pixels divides
the resolution exactly.  As most printers embed the dithering in hardware
this means that source images at resolutions other than those submultiples
will usually be resampled by the printer driver software before being sent
on to the device.

It's unlikely that the resampling code in the driver will be as good as
the image resizing code in your favourite image editing application, and
you certainy won't have any control over the amount of extra sharpening
(if any) that might need to be applied after this resampling.

If you resize the image yourself, though, you retain full control over
everything except the final microdrop dithering stage; something the
printer manufacturer probably *does* implement as well as they know how.

(Incidentally, the quoted example is wrong.  While 320 is a factor of
2880, it is not a factor of 1440, and thus is not an optimal resolution).



Re: Ok I finally got to ask why LXen

2003-10-31 Thread mike wilson
Hi,

Bob Walkden wrote:
 Here's how sad I am. snip

I'm sadder than you.  I am intrigued to find fedex in that list.  Only
comes out as a company name on Google.

Quite a few Latin taxonomic terms in that list.

I work at an academic institution that boasts in print of being a VI
form College.  Not a VI_th_ form  How sad that we have so few
students - or such large classes, as we have about 26,000 of the
darlings.

mike



Re: What DSLR Improvements I'd Like To See

2003-10-31 Thread mike wilson
Hi,

Leonard Paris wrote:
 
 Movie theaters used to be a  money laundering mechanism for much of
 organized crime in the U.S.  

And just what sort of crime do you think most of the muck that comes out
of Hollywood nowadays is? 8-) (But not much of one)

mike



Re: Anybody shooting auroras?

2003-10-31 Thread mike wilson
Hi,

Stephen Moore wrote:
 
 O Pentaxians --
 
 Saw the aurora borealis last night for the first time
 in my 57-year life. Wow!
 With the recent solar flares and CMEs, have any of you
 Pentaxians had your cameras poited skyward?

It's been cloud as anything here (NE England) for the last three days,
so no joy.  Looking good for tonight, so, for sure, there will be
nothing.

mike



PUG November is open

2003-10-31 Thread Adelheid v. K.
 
Hi *,

the November PUG is ready to go.

A huge PUG this month. 


Cheers
Adelheid

URL:
http://pug.komkon.org/


--
About resizing your pics:

To make the procedure easier I am going to resize them without further
notice - but if somebody is unhappy with the result, please send me one you
like better in the proper size and I'll swap it on the server. I hope this
is a fair deal.




Re: Anybody shooting auroras?

2003-10-31 Thread David Dixon
mike wilson wrote:

It's been cloud as anything here (NE England) for the last three days,
so no joy.  Looking good for tonight, so, for sure, there will be
nothing.
mike

I hate to say this Mike, but in Durham (about 15 miles away from you?) 
we've had two fantastic nights of aurora - Wednesday night from 7pm to 
8pm had aurora over the whole Northern half of the sky, while last 
night, despite the forecasts, the cloud suddenly cleared at 10pm to give 
an utterly amazing display for over an hour, and all in the Southern 
half of the sky!  Many photos taken, but on the downside my Z-1 fatally 
malfunctioned while shooting.  I'll get the films developed tomorrow.  
As you say, tonight has been relatively clear, but no signs of a repeat 
performance (check out http://www.dcs.lancs.ac.uk/iono/aurorawatch/ for 
a good predictor for current likelihood of aurora).

David



Re: Ok I finally got to ask why LXen

2003-10-31 Thread Bob Walkden
Hi,

Friday, October 31, 2003, 5:50:23 PM, you wrote:

 I'm sadder than you.  I am intrigued to find fedex in that list.  Only
 comes out as a company name on Google.

I saw that too. It's ok because people use fedex as a verb (Fedex it
over to me for tomorrow) just as people use hoover (and google!) as a
verb. I guess that means it's not a noun, so I should've taken it out. But
of course, nominalization is my get out - What about yesterday's fedex?
Where is it?.

-- 
Cheers,
 Bobmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: slide exposure

2003-10-31 Thread Eactivist
Graywolf wrote

In both cases the limit on density is the thinest part of the image (clear 
film 
base). Now with a negative that is the shadows (clear film prints black). 
With a 
positive that is the highlights (clear film views white). If you do not have 
and 
image there you do not have an image. That make sense?

Yes, lots. 

So actually both cases are exactly the same: No Density, No Detail. 
However 
they are usually expressed in terms of the media. Negatives: Expose for the 
Shadows. Positives: Expose for the Highlights.

But you will always get it right if you remember, No Density, No Detail.

Interesting. So a sensor, since it is using numbers, because it is digital, 
has no density in the highlights? (Like what John said before about the numbers 
above a certain number going to white -- I'll have to go back and reread 
that.)

Cool. Good explanation.

Marnie aka Doe  I've just noticed that darker changes existing colors more 
than lighter does. I.E. Late day shooting. And shadows that have more than 
black, all kinds of colors get darker and more complex in lengthening shadows. 
While areas hit directly by the sun just tend to get lighter, not more complex in 
color range. But maybe that's me.



Re: PUG November is open

2003-10-31 Thread mike wilson
And absolutely spiffing it is, too.  Thanks, Adelheid.

m

Adelheid v. K. wrote:
 
 
 Hi *,
 
 the November PUG is ready to go.
 
 A huge PUG this month.
 
 Cheers
 Adelheid
 
 URL:
 http://pug.komkon.org/
 
 --
 About resizing your pics:
 
 To make the procedure easier I am going to resize them without further
 notice - but if somebody is unhappy with the result, please send me one you
 like better in the proper size and I'll swap it on the server. I hope this
 is a fair deal.



Re: Anybody shooting auroras?

2003-10-31 Thread mike wilson
Hi,

David Dixon wrote:
 I hate to say this Mike, but in Durham (about 15 miles away from you?)
 we've had two fantastic nights of aurora - Wednesday night from 7pm to
 8pm had aurora over the whole Northern half of the sky, while last
 night, despite the forecasts, the cloud suddenly cleared at 10pm to give
 an utterly amazing display for over an hour, and all in the Southern
 half of the sky!  Many photos taken, but on the downside my Z-1 fatally
 malfunctioned while shooting.  I'll get the films developed tomorrow.
 As you say, tonight has been relatively clear, but no signs of a repeat
 performance (check out http://www.dcs.lancs.ac.uk/iono/aurorawatch/ for
 a good predictor for current likelihood of aurora).

Argh!  More like five miles in a straight line.  The joys of
living near the coast...  It was cloudy up to about 9.30 when I last
looked and, as it looked like staying and I had to be up early, I didn't
look again.

Now to stay up all night 8-)

Sorry to hear about your camera.

mike



Re: Contract for rights to use images

2003-10-31 Thread Paul Stenquist
The magazine or book publisher usually provides the contract and they're
pretty standard. You can tell them that you only wish to sell first rights
and retain your copyright. They probably will do that and should have the
correct paperwork.
Paul

Leon Altoff wrote:

 I know this has been talked about here before, but I'm too lazy to look
 through the archives.  Does anyone have any sample contracts for
 selling images for use in books and magazines?  I have the chance to
 get a picture published in a book but want to ensure that I don't give
 away too many rights when I let them use it.

 Any and all suggestions will be appreciated.

  Leon

 http://www.bluering.org.au
 http://www.bluering.org.au/leon



RE: Ok I finally got to ask why LXen

2003-10-31 Thread Bob Blakely
Paraphrased (plagiarized) from another source...

Rare plural forms like oxen are left over from that period, with -en used
for a very few words that fought off the encroachment of -s. The only other
common plural in -en that survives in our modern language is brethren. This
came from an older spelling of brother as brether, and lost the middle e.
For a while both brothers and brethren meant the same thing, but the latter
gradually shifted sense to refer to a spiritual relationship. At one time it
was also used for professional relationships, and survives, for example, in
Masonic usage.

Photographers who love their LXen are brethren, both professionally and at
heart.

Regards,
Bob...

 From: Collin Brendemuehl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Look here for more info:
 http://webster.commnet.edu/grammar/plurals.htm

 Check the section:
 Plurals and Apostrophes



Re: digital viewfinders

2003-10-31 Thread Jim Apilado
Don't one of the newer Optios have a swivel mounted LCD screen that can do
what you describe?  I have a 35mm Yashica T4 that has the waist level Super
Scope that has helped me make some photos at a lower level.

Jim A.

 From: Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:00:14 -0500
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: digital viewfinders
 Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:00:32 -0500
 
 A few days ago, I was looking as a friends Rollei MF camera with a waist
 level finder.  Since it's parent's weekend here at the college, I have
 also noticed many folks taking shots using the LCD screen and not the
 viewfinder (I'm yet to see a film camera this today).  It strikes me
 that it would be handy to have a digital camera with a waist level
 finder and shade that consisted of a horizontal LCD screen.  The screen
 on the E-10 can fold out, but it's awkward to use the camera this way.
 I'm thinking of a horizontal top-mounted LCD.  It is just me or does
 this sound like something useful?
 
 
 Steven Desjardins
 Department of Chemistry
 Washington and Lee University
 Lexington, VA 24450
 (540) 458-8873
 FAX: (540) 458-8878
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 



Re: digital viewfinders

2003-10-31 Thread Leonard Paris
How about the Canon G1, G2, G3, and G5.  As well as some of the Nikon 
CoolPix models.

Len
---
* There's room for all of God's creatures.  Right next to the mashed 
potatoes.


From: Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: digital viewfinders
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:00:14 -0500
A few days ago, I was looking as a friends Rollei MF camera with a waist
level finder.  Since it's parent's weekend here at the college, I have
also noticed many folks taking shots using the LCD screen and not the
viewfinder (I'm yet to see a film camera this today).  It strikes me
that it would be handy to have a digital camera with a waist level
finder and shade that consisted of a horizontal LCD screen.  The screen
on the E-10 can fold out, but it's awkward to use the camera this way.
I'm thinking of a horizontal top-mounted LCD.  It is just me or does
this sound like something useful?
Steven Desjardins
Department of Chemistry
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450
(540) 458-8873
FAX: (540) 458-8878
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Lens Tripod Mount?

2003-10-31 Thread Eactivist
Been eyeing used Sigma 170-500mm APOs. For wildlife, not sports, though a bit 
slow for wildlife. 

They come with tripod mounts. How does this work, BTW? I haven't bought a 
tripod yet, so wondering.

You mount the lens directly on the tripod, not the camera? Is anything else, 
part-wise, needed? Like a tripod addition or something? Is there something one 
should look for in a tripod if one is going to do a fair amount lens mounting?

Discovered I have still quite a few newbie questions still in me.

TIA, Marnie aka Doe ;-)



Re: Ok I finally got to ask why LXen

2003-10-31 Thread Kristian Walsh
Bob W said:
[...] So I made a
list of words from some web dictionaries, stripped out everything
except the nouns, took out compounds like 'tuckerbox', leaving 'box', 
and
removed those which I know to be already plural (gateaux etc.). 
Although
it's far from complete as a list of words it does seem to suggest that
ox/oxen is unique.

http://www.web-options.com/x-nouns.html

Now let's have a discussion about more than one 'fellatrix'.
Fellatrices for the latin inclined; alternatively, something that 
doesn't belong in a family list like this ;-)

In a similar anatomical area, it's good to see that well-known term of 
endearment bollix on the list, but banjax doesn't belong: it's a 
verb.

Okay, maybe I should go back to talking about camerae now ;-)
--
Kristian


Re: Scratches on film

2003-10-31 Thread Eactivist
 Should I blame the camera or the lab? I have not had problems with
 Ilfords before, it has to be said, but I have not developed that many
 BWs.

Kostas;

I had some BW prints developed at local camera shop. Came back with 
scratches. Instead of going back and complaining I ended up going to a lab (not a 
camera shop). Shop was more expensive anyway.

I looked at the negatives and couldn't find scratches. Never had this happen 
with color film or slides. Made me think BW developing uses another system. 
And their other system needed an overhaul. Or their technician needed to cut 
her fingernails.

Run another roll of film through the camera too. Well, everyone's responded 
to you already and probably told you that already. Didn't need my post, but 
feeling chatty.

Marnie aka Doe



Re: Lens Tripod Mount?

2003-10-31 Thread mike wilson
Hi,

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 

 You mount the lens directly on the tripod, not the camera? Is anything else,
 part-wise, needed? Like a tripod addition or something? Is there something one
 should look for in a tripod if one is going to do a fair amount lens mounting?

Yes (or, at least, on the head of your choice); no; no; no more than you
would normally look for in a tripod.

 Discovered I have still quite a few newbie questions still in me.

newbie mode
me too
/newbie mode

mike



Re: Lens Tripod Mount?

2003-10-31 Thread Christian Skofteland
Yes, the lens is mounted directly to the tripod head and the camera just
sort of hangs on the end.  Depending on the tripod head that you have (or
are looking at) you may need a quick-release plate for the lens that matches
the head.

The 170-500 is probably a big lens.  you want a sturdy tripod with a sturdy
head.

Christian Skofteland
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 2:42 PM
Subject: Lens Tripod Mount?


 Been eyeing used Sigma 170-500mm APOs. For wildlife, not sports, though a
bit
 slow for wildlife.

 They come with tripod mounts. How does this work, BTW? I haven't bought a
 tripod yet, so wondering.

 You mount the lens directly on the tripod, not the camera? Is anything
else,
 part-wise, needed? Like a tripod addition or something? Is there something
one
 should look for in a tripod if one is going to do a fair amount lens
mounting?

 Discovered I have still quite a few newbie questions still in me.

 TIA, Marnie aka Doe ;-)




Re: Ok I finally got to ask why LXen

2003-10-31 Thread Bob Walkden
Hi,

Friday, October 31, 2003, 7:18:44 PM, you wrote:

 Paraphrased (plagiarized) from another source...

 Rare plural forms like oxen are left over from that period, with -en used
 for a very few words that fought off the encroachment of -s. The only other
 common plural in -en that survives in our modern language is brethren. This
 came from an older spelling of brother as brether, and lost the middle e.
 For a while both brothers and brethren meant the same thing, but the latter
 gradually shifted sense to refer to a spiritual relationship. At one time it
 was also used for professional relationships, and survives, for example, in
 Masonic usage.

 Photographers who love their LXen are brethren, both professionally and at
 heart.

or possibly children...g

-- 
Cheers,
 Bobmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: LXist

2003-10-31 Thread Larry Levy
Joe asked:
A flock of LXs?
A herd of LXs?
A gaggle of LXs?
An exaltation of LXs?

Grammarians on the list, please help.

From my being a member of this list for only a relatively short time, the
answer is evident:

A pride of LXes

Larry



Re: PhotoShop - memory requirements

2003-10-31 Thread brooksdj

 Frankly, there's a nice little free program called Irfan that's a joy 
 to use, and while it lacks many features of PS and Elements, it's 
 super for proofing work and for minor touch ups.
 
 Kind regards,
 
 Tyrone 

I have used Ifran View in the past and recently downloaded the newest version. I have
found
it good enough for me to do batch resizing and copy righted test additions for adding
pictures to my 
website.Pretty fast on the XP machine too.

Dave





Re: PUG November is open

2003-10-31 Thread Ramesh Kumar
My favourites are
http://pug.komkon.org/03nov/dreamypug.html
http://pug.komkon.org/03nov/kikipug.html
http://pug.komkon.org/03nov/d4.html
http://pug.komkon.org/03nov/bug_600.html
http://pug.komkon.org/03nov/nupsstad.html
http://pug.komkon.org/03nov/stairpug.html
http://pug.komkon.org/03nov/e0002pug.html
http://pug.komkon.org/03nov/father.html


Thanks
Ramesh
--- mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 And absolutely spiffing it is, too.  Thanks,
 Adelheid.
 
 m
 
 Adelheid v. K. wrote:
  
  
  Hi *,
  
  the November PUG is ready to go.
  
  A huge PUG this month.
  
  Cheers
  Adelheid
  
  URL:
  http://pug.komkon.org/
  
  --
  About resizing your pics:
  
  To make the procedure easier I am going to resize
 them without further
  notice - but if somebody is unhappy with the
 result, please send me one you
  like better in the proper size and I'll swap it on
 the server. I hope this
  is a fair deal.
 


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Re: digital viewfinders

2003-10-31 Thread Cotty
On 31/10/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

A few days ago, I was looking as a friends Rollei MF camera with a waist
level finder.  Since it's parent's weekend here at the college, I have
also noticed many folks taking shots using the LCD screen and not the
viewfinder (I'm yet to see a film camera this today).  It strikes me
that it would be handy to have a digital camera with a waist level
finder and shade that consisted of a horizontal LCD screen.  The screen
on the E-10 can fold out, but it's awkward to use the camera this way. 
I'm thinking of a horizontal top-mounted LCD.  It is just me or does
this sound like something useful?

Sounds great. You'd have to have the image horizontally reversed though,
or all the MF boys buying it would get really confused




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: Anybody shooting auroras?

2003-10-31 Thread Cotty
On 31/10/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

 O Pentaxians --
 
 Saw the aurora borealis last night for the first time
 in my 57-year life. Wow!
 With the recent solar flares and CMEs, have any of you
 Pentaxians had your cameras poited skyward?

It's been cloud as anything here (NE England) for the last three days,
so no joy.  Looking good for tonight, so, for sure, there will be
nothing.

My sister and her bloke live on the Isle of Coll in the Inner Hebrides
(islands of western Scotland) and he tells me that the aurora is AMAZING.
I'm green with envy.

He's a snapper too:

http://www.colldigital.co.uk/




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: PUG November is open

2003-10-31 Thread Cotty
On 31/10/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

And absolutely spiffing it is, too.  Thanks, Adelheid.

Nice shot of Elin there Mike. She looks like she's just about to open the
batting - good game was it? ;-)


Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: Photo plus show

2003-10-31 Thread Juey Chong Ong
On Friday, Oct 31, 2003, at 21:34 America/New_York, tom wrote:

-Original Message-
From: Butch Black [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
The person I spoke to listed a half dozen other cameras that would get
it first, and doubted that Pentax would have enough market share to 
make
it worthwhile for them.
That sucks. C1 rocks.
That's true, but they're probably also thinking that at $495, not many 
*ist-D owners would buy it.

Now if we all marched on their booth tomorrow and put down our payment 
in cash, maybe they'd support it. :-)

--jc



Re: Lens Tripod Mount?

2003-10-31 Thread Eactivist
if you intend to get that lens, you will need a good sturdy tripod. figure
that into the cost. i got the Sigma 50-500 and then had to upgrade my
tripod.

Herb

Kind of what I thought. Heavy tripod.

Since Cameron thinks the 170-500mm stinks, what do you think of the 50-500mm?

Marnie aka Doe 



Re: Photo plus show

2003-10-31 Thread Jim Apilado
Really?  Those that can afford $1699 for the *istD shouldn't have to
complain about that small amount of $495.

Jim A.

 From: Juey Chong Ong [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 22:08:42 -0500
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Photo plus show
 Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 22:09:17 -0500
 
 
 On Friday, Oct 31, 2003, at 21:34 America/New_York, tom wrote:
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Butch Black [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 The person I spoke to listed a half dozen other cameras that would get
 it first, and doubted that Pentax would have enough market share to
 make
 it worthwhile for them.
 
 That sucks. C1 rocks.
 
 That's true, but they're probably also thinking that at $495, not many
 *ist-D owners would buy it.
 
 Now if we all marched on their booth tomorrow and put down our payment
 in cash, maybe they'd support it. :-)
 
 --jc
 



Re: Lens Tripod Mount?

2003-10-31 Thread Eactivist
if you intend to get that lens, you will need a good sturdy tripod. figure
that into the cost. i got the Sigma 50-500 and then had to upgrade my
tripod.

Herb

Nevermind. Out of my price range.

Marnie



Re: Anybody shooting auroras?

2003-10-31 Thread Leon Altoff
On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:09:15 -0500, Stephen Moore wrote:

O Pentaxians --

Saw the aurora borealis last night for the first time
in my 57-year life. Wow!

...

With the recent solar flares and CMEs, have any of you
Pentaxians had your cameras poited skyward?

I'm in Australia, but they hae reported seeing the Aurora Australis 700
kilometers north of where I am.  Of course it's been cloudy here since
it started so I haven't seen a thing!!!


 Leon

http://www.bluering.org.au
http://www.bluering.org.au/leon