Re: consensus on how to store? (was: Keeping poor shots, was: Luddite posting)
Hi, I think it depends on the type of sleeves you use. If you get archival sleeves you shouldn't have a problem. Even non-archival, but good quality, sleeves should be ok for a few years. Bob Thursday, December 11, 2003, 7:34:00 AM, you wrote: I have a question. I just recently found a decent, pro lab/photo shop that develops my film, puts the negatives in nice, Hama sleeves, and prints a contact print for me (and even scans the roll for $4 extra). However, a friend just told me that sleeves are not the best way to store negatives. So, is there any consensus on how to keep negatives? Cut and sleeve them, or keep them in complete rolls? If in rolls, how to store _those_? What does everybody do on this list? Is there a consensus on a good way? Better way? (I think we can guess that one of the worst ways is tossed in a shoebox with no lid under the bed or in the basement.) :-) Since I'm just starting over, I would really like to get a good system going before I get too far. And, hopefully, I would like to drag out those negatives from their shoeboxes and add them. ;-) Also, how about slides? Any good brands of sleeves for these? Or are boxes better. Lastly, please cc your replies to me personally at [EMAIL PROTECTED] as I'm having problems getting digests. Thank you.
Pentax Optio S4 and RAW format
Hi, I am the owner of a Pentax Optio S4 and have just seen that it is possible to take RAW bayer format images with the camera. I was wondering if anybody here knows of any tools I can use to read these files or convert them to another, more manageable loss-less format such as TIFF or PNG? For any other Optio S users I have also set up a user group: http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/myOptioS/ We are running a Winter photo competition, the prize for which is a luxury leather case for the Optio S. It's amazing what a nice letter to the manufaturer can achieve! Any help appreciated. matt
Re: ultra-wide primes
on 12/11/03 2:18 AM, Peter Smekal at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, As Stan's webbsite seems to be down I would be very gratefull for some comments on the following ultra-wide primes: K 15/3.5 or A 15/3.5 K 18/3.5 A 20/2.8 How would you assess their comparative general usefullness, optical and mechanical qualities, and handling versatility (on an LX). Thanks Not much there on ultra-wides in any case, but see the temporary site at: http://home.kc.rr.com/smhalpin/ stan
Pentax Optio S4 and 512 meg memory
Matt or anybody, Can the Optio S4 use a 512 meg memory card? Regards, Bob S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am the owner of a Pentax Optio S4 and have just seen that it is possible to take RAW bayer format images with the camera. I was wondering if anybody here knows of any tools I can use to read these files or convert them to another, more manageable loss-less format such as TIFF or PNG? For any other Optio S users I have also set up a user group: http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/myOptioS/ We are running a Winter photo competition, the prize for which is a luxury leather case for the Optio S. It's amazing what a nice letter to the manufaturer can achieve!
Re: OT: Snow fleas
Jostein wrote: Springtails with no respect for the cold. :-) http://www.fcps.k12.va.us/StratfordLandingES/Ecology/mpages/snow_flea.htm c o o l !
RE:other brands:was ditching Pentax
Len took time to scribe: I, too, would love to be able to afford to buy a 1Ds. It will come in time. Len * There's no place like 127.0.0.1 Just wondering why when people talk about jumping to another brand of DSLR,the Canon name seems to pop up more than the Nikon name. I only bought the Nikon D1 as i knew the camera and the guy who owned it.It was in good shape and i often saw his results with it.Canon was never on my mind at that point. Severasl of the list people didi not wait for Pentax to release the starkits and bought Canon.Any particular reasons folks.Cost,lens availablity,just hate Nikon:-)??? Dave (looking to upgrade his DSLR prior to the 2004 show season)Brooks
Re: OT:Weird place names-was: GFM Attendees (updated)
My Dentist's name here in the state of Georgia is Dr. Robert E. Lee DDS. Made me a little more than skittish the first few times I saw him, knowing that I'm from Michigan... Cory the joke here (for those of you not up on your American Civil War history) is that Robert E. Lee was a famous Confederate (rebel)commander and Michigan was, of course, on the side of the Union army. Still makes me smile every time Mr. Lee's birthday comes up and I get to take that day off as a state holiday. - Original Message - From: Bob Walkden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 5:05 AM Subject: Re: OT:Weird place names-was: GFM Attendees (updated) Hi, Thursday, December 11, 2003, 4:34:47 AM, you wrote: even though it's fictional, I've always liked that Dewey, Cheatum Howe bunch from CarTalk Then, of course, there were Lord Gnome's solicitors: Sue, Grabbit Runne there is a dentist (non-fictional) here in Greenwich called Mr. Payne. -- Cheers, Bobmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.548 / Virus Database: 341 - Release Date: 12/6/2003
Re: ultra-wide primes
A 15/3.5 - Big, Expensive honker that rarely leaves the house or gets out of the case. Light loss at the corners wide open... A 20/2.8 - In the camera bag with the LX and 2 Limited lenses (43 77). Smaller than it looks, and seriously wider than a 24mm (plus much smaller than the FA24/2.0). Very nice picture qualities. Here's a PUG shot I took with the A20/2.8. http://pug.komkon.org/01nov/Lsunrise.html Regards, Bob S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As Stan's webbsite seems to be down I would be very gratefull for some comments on the following ultra-wide primes: K 15/3.5 or A 15/3.5 K 18/3.5 A 20/2.8 How would you assess their comparative general usefullness, optical and mechanical qualities, and handling versatility (on an LX)
Re: HAPPY BIRTHDAY, ANN!-was: Keeping poor shots, was: Ludditeposting.
67? I think you need to buy a certain Pentax camera in honor of that event ;-) Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Snow fleas
Creepy crawlies should be banned from macro (or whatever you call those shots where you can see the hairs on their *rses)! But regarding Since they are so light, they can walk on the surface without sinking. That is really neat.. reminds me of that old superman movie.. :) Ryan Jostein wrote: Springtails with no respect for the cold. :-) http://www.fcps.k12.va.us/StratfordLandingES/Ecology/mpages/snow_flea.htm
Re: OT:Weird place names-was: GFM Attendees (updated)
Bob Walkden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thursday, December 11, 2003, 4:34:47 AM, you wrote: even though it's fictional, I've always liked that Dewey, Cheatum Howe bunch from CarTalk Then, of course, there were Lord Gnome's solicitors: Sue, Grabbit Runne there is a dentist (non-fictional) here in Greenwich called Mr. Payne. In Rochester, one could get a vasectomy from a (non-fictional) urologist named Dr. Stopp. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: Way OT:Global warming-was:GFM Attendees (updated)
frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom, I'll leave my personal beliefs and politics out of it (many of you can guess where I stand anyway g) But, Global Warming (see, I've capitalized it this time, to signify it's importance g) is not much ado about nothing. That the earth's climate has warmed up since we've been keeping records is indisputable. It's also been established that it began right after the beginning of the industrial revolution. Nah. Probably just a coincidence... :) -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: Problem with FA 50
Curiouser and Curiouser. Some far the *istD works fine with other lenses (two FA zooms)and the FA 50 1.4 works well with other cameras (MZ-s and ZX-7). Maybe I need to get a counselor.
Re: DA16-45: No aperture rings any more?
William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Nick One possibility is the release of an APS film SLR to complement the digital range. It could use the DA lenses after all. Not likely, all the film manufacturers are getting out of APS film. OTOH, this could make Pentax look seriously at the concept. It would fit their marketing strategy. Hey, why not just expose an APS-sized negative on 35mm film? Just think of all the extra room you'd have for data imprinting on the film! You could have shutter speed, aperture, exposure mode compensation, metering mode, focal length, time, date, film ISO (if the DX code is overridden), latitude, longitude altitude (the camera would of course have built-in GPS), outside temperature, sign of the zodiac, birthstone... -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: 16-45/4 samples
This one time, at band camp, Alan Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.digital.pentax.co.jp/ja/35mm/ist-d/ex.html It will be selling in Japan by the end of December. Wide lenses are fine, what we need is some FAST lenses. Kind regards Kevin -- __ (_ \ _) ) | / / _ ) / _ | / ___) / _ ) | | ( (/ / ( ( | |( (___ ( (/ / |_| \) \_||_| \) \) Kevin Waterson Port Macquarie, Australia
Re: OT:Weird place names-was: GFM Attendees (updated)
Cory, Are referring to the war of Northern aggression? :-) Bill Cory the joke here (for those of you not up on your American Civil War history) is that Robert E. Lee was a famous Confederate (rebel)commander and Michigan was, of course, on the side of the Union army. Still makes me smile every time Mr. Lee's birthday comes up and I get to take that day off as a state holiday.
RE: DA16-45: No aperture rings any more?
Not to mention that you would be exposing a circular image so you could choose you orientation after the event, correct horizons without losing size and even go square if you want! I have thought about this before and it could be kinda neat, although it could be less practical with petal shaped hoods. -Original Message- From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 December 2003 13:43 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: DA16-45: No aperture rings any more? William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Nick One possibility is the release of an APS film SLR to complement the digital range. It could use the DA lenses after all. Not likely, all the film manufacturers are getting out of APS film. OTOH, this could make Pentax look seriously at the concept. It would fit their marketing strategy. Hey, why not just expose an APS-sized negative on 35mm film? Just think of all the extra room you'd have for data imprinting on the film! You could have shutter speed, aperture, exposure mode compensation, metering mode, focal length, time, date, film ISO (if the DX code is overridden), latitude, longitude altitude (the camera would of course have built-in GPS), outside temperature, sign of the zodiac, birthstone... -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: Mad Lenses on *ist D
Mark Cassino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I gave the A* 400 f2.8 and 1.7x AF adapter a whirl one day last week, shooting at the birds around my feeders. For random pot shots at birds, not even trying to get close, I'm very impressed with the image quality. Can't wait to do some serious birding with it. Some sample from the half hour I spent near the feeder: http://www.markcassino.com/temp/b001.jpg http://www.markcassino.com/temp/b002.jpg http://www.markcassino.com/temp/b003.jpg http://www.markcassino.com/temp/b004.jpg What ISO setting? I tried getting some hummingbirds last summer and found it maddening because I only had ISO 100 film on hand. It would have been nice to just instantly switch to ISO 800. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: other brands:was ditching Pentax
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Severasl of the list people didi not wait for Pentax to release the starkits and bought Canon. Any particular reasons folks. Cost,lens availablity, just hate Nikon:-)??? The selection of Image Stabilization lenses and the upgrade path to a full-frame digital body seem to be the two major reasons. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: OT:Weird place names-was: GFM Attendees (updated)
On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 08:45:04 -0500, Bill Owens wrote: Are referring to the war of Northern aggression? :-) Our Late Unpleasantness. :-) TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
RE: other brands:was ditching Pentax
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Len took time to scribe: I, too, would love to be able to afford to buy a 1Ds. It will come in time. Len * There's no place like 127.0.0.1 Just wondering why when people talk about jumping to another brand of DSLR,the Canon name seems to pop up more than the Nikon name. Because when you're still shooting film you think that full frame sensor is going to be important, and even though I couldn't justify the cost at that time (still can't), it's nice to know the option is there. Also, at the time people seemed to think Canon IS was a little more advanced, it's available in more lenses, and most of their lenses have USM. Plus they have that 24-70/2.8 which is pretty nifty. tv
Re: OT:Weird place names-was: GFM Attendees (updated)
Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the joke here (for those of you not up on your American Civil War history) is that Robert E. Lee was a famous Confederate (rebel) commander and Michigan was, of course, on the side of the Union army. Still makes me smile every time Mr. Lee's birthday comes up and I get to take that day off as a state holiday. Are referring to the war of Northern aggression? :-) What? You guys got attacked by Canada??? I had no idea! -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: OT: Snow fleas
Jostein wrote: Springtails with no respect for the cold. :-) http://www.fcps.k12.va.us/StratfordLandingES/Ecology/mpages/snow_flea.htm Now if i could only get them to hold a level rod and a plumb bob i could have my own survey crew for the winter.lol Dave
Re: other brands:was ditching Pentax
on 11.12.03 15:05, tom at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Plus they have that 24-70/2.8 which is pretty nifty. Yup, but there comes DX 17-55/2.8 - much smaller, lighter than L 24-70, and it is eqiv. of 26-80 on 35mm. For all those who don't want to carry extra bulk when they use only APS-sized CCD DSLRs this is better option than Canon's offer in this range. -- Best Regards Sylwek
Re: HAPPY BIRTHDAY, ANN
I feel your pain. g However, having birthdays is better than the alternative. May you have many happier returns of the day. Len --- * There's no place like 127.0.0.1 Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 67 today, yes today -- arrrggh _ Get holiday tips for festive fun. http://special.msn.com/network/happyholidays.armx
Re: OT: Wierd place names
I live in a place called Haugh of Urr. Prize to any correct pronunications. Scottish place-names was good entertainment on our holiday trip with the Cot's last summer. There's pretty much Nordic heritage in those pronounciations, I think... Haugh is sucspiciously like the Norwegian haug meaning small hill or large mound. Would that fit the topography of Urr's place? :-) Cheers, Jostein This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.
Re: Pentax Optio S4 and RAW format
On Thu, 11 Dec 2003, Matt Sephton wrote: I am the owner of a Pentax Optio S4 and have just seen that it is possible to take RAW bayer format images with the camera. I was wondering if anybody here knows of any tools I can use to read these files or convert them to another, more manageable loss-less format such as TIFF or PNG? There is a thread on dpreview.com where someone has figured out the format. http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1028message=6870475 alex
OT: Help with PageMaker
Hi, Does anybody know if (and how) PageMaker 6.5 can produce bookmarks of more than one level when the .p65 file is exported into PDF format? I tried to do that, but: 1 - If I use the table of contents option with a single publication, the bookmark are present when exporting file to pdf format, but they are all listed on a single level (under a single Contents level). 2 - If I use the book option (summing more publications/documents), each document can have its own table of contents, so I supposed to get two-level bookmarks. Unfortunately, this way all bookmarks are missing when exporting the book into pdf file. Please reply to me ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ), for not increasing too much OT messages in PDML list. Thanks. Dario Bonazza
RE: Film is not dead :-)
Or until film gets so expensive that all the film shooters are going to have to use digital in order to be sure their setup is absolutely right before they commit that frame of expensive film. Kind of like what large and medium format shooters used to do with Polaroids. Then, as digital improves, they'll just drop out of film altogether, with the exception of very well-heeled amateurs. Len --- * There's no place like 127.0.0.1 why? I cant see film dying until digital can match or exceed every film application. Large format film photography will be the last thing for digital capture to meet. Until then, LF film will be king of quality as it is now. J.C. O'Connell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://jcoconnell.com -Original Message- From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Film is not dead :-) - Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: RE: Film is not dead :-) Digital is nowhere near film in the large format arena. I'm getting close to 200 megapixels scanning 4X5 film. Once they come up with affordable sensors approaching this number, maybe THEN film will be dead. It'll happen long before that. William Robb _ Wonder if the latest virus has gotten to your computer? Find out. Run the FREE McAfee online computer scan! http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
Re: OT: Snow fleas
Hi, Jostein wrote: Quoting mike.wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ...snow fleas... And they are.? Springtails with no respect for the cold. :-) 8-)) Interesting. Never seen those before (probably due to lack of snow...) - do you get them in Norway, too? Lots of other Collembolidae here, of course. I would love to see some of those dark blue beasts photographed against snow with a *ist-D. The chromatic aura should be positively psychedelic. Excellent site, btw. We're even 8-) mike
Re: Keeping poor shots, was: Luddite posting.
On 10/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: annsan 67 today, yes today -- arrrggh HAPPY BIRTHDAY ANN. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: ultra-wide primes
A 15/3.5 - Big, Expensive honker that rarely leaves the house or gets out of the case. Light loss at the corners wide open... A 20/2.8 - In the camera bag with the LX and 2 Limited lenses (43 77). Smaller than it looks, and seriously wider than a 24mm (plus much smaller than the FA24/2.0). Very nice picture qualities. I basically only have to add an Amen to what Bob has said. The A 15/3.5 is a gorgeous (and amazingly) rectilinear ultra-wide, but doesn't travel too often (only if I know I am going to need it for a particular shot). On the other hand, the superb A 20/2.8 is almost always in the travel bag - it's easily my most-used wide-angle. Both lenses are among Pentax's finest lenses, I would say, but differ considerably in portability. Fred, K1FW
Re: OT:Weird place names-was: GFM Attendees (updated)
You guys ain't seen aggression...just try and get all uppity again, we'll burn this place down from here to the ocean anduhh...I ahhh Nevermind VBG Cory - Original Message - From: Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 8:45 AM Subject: Re: OT:Weird place names-was: GFM Attendees (updated) Cory, Are referring to the war of Northern aggression? :-) Bill Cory the joke here (for those of you not up on your American Civil War history) is that Robert E. Lee was a famous Confederate (rebel)commander and Michigan was, of course, on the side of the Union army. Still makes me smile every time Mr. Lee's birthday comes up and I get to take that day off as a state holiday. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.548 / Virus Database: 341 - Release Date: 12/6/2003
Re: horizon on *ist-D
Hi, Frits wrote: Stan's photo reminded me of this question: does the *ist D has something to help allign the horizon? I used to have a problem with this myself untill I got a grid screen for my PZ-1. Is there something like that for the *ist D? Frits, you are not getting into this digital imagery process at all. The process is snap, look, save or chuck. It even rhymes! (Whether you do that in an English (UK) way or an English (US) way is entirely up to you) Repeat ad nauseum, chimping at regular intervals when you get it right. mike
Re: horizon on *ist-D
As a last resort there's always Photoshop. Select the measure tool, drag a line along what ever you want horizontal, then; ImageRotate ImageArbitraryOK Bill - Original Message - From: mike.wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:40 AM Subject: Re: horizon on *ist-D Hi, Frits wrote: Stan's photo reminded me of this question: does the *ist D has something to help allign the horizon? I used to have a problem with this myself untill I got a grid screen for my PZ-1. Is there something like that for the *ist D? Frits, you are not getting into this digital imagery process at all. The process is snap, look, save or chuck. It even rhymes! (Whether you do that in an English (UK) way or an English (US) way is entirely up to you) Repeat ad nauseum, chimping at regular intervals when you get it right. mike
re: OT: Weird place names
Hi, Jostein wrote: Scottish place-names was good entertainment on our holiday trip with the Cot's last summer. There's pretty much Nordic heritage in those pronounciations, I think... Haugh is sucspiciously like the Norwegian haug meaning small hill or large mound. Would that fit the topography of Urr's place? :-) Not only in Scotland. In northern England, where the border only solidified in the last 300 years, heugh, haugh and various other spellings mean hill, rock, hummock, etc. Many, many words in the modern, local dialects derive from our visitors from across the North Sea. mike ganning yem
Re: Mad Lenses on *ist D
What was your working distance to the birds? Full frame shots of songbirds with ~1000mm Wow! Christian We're not worthy! We're not worthy! - Original Message - From: Mark Cassino [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 10:01 PM Subject: Re: Mad Lenses on *ist D I gave the A* 400 f2.8 and 1.7x AF adapter a whirl one day last week, shooting at the birds around my feeders. For random pot shots at birds, not even trying to get close, I'm very impressed with the image quality. Can't wait to do some serious birding with it. Some sample from the half hour I spent near the feeder: http://www.markcassino.com/temp/b001.jpg http://www.markcassino.com/temp/b002.jpg http://www.markcassino.com/temp/b003.jpg http://www.markcassino.com/temp/b004.jpg - MCC
Re: Mad Lenses on *ist D
The bokeh can actually be weird, sometimes good, sometimes bad. Hard light and lots of hard edges in the background usually make for a terrble bokeh with that lens combo - thought he 2x makes for even a worse one. But you can get a nice painterly effect going with it as well. - MCC At 12:56 PM 12/11/2003 -0500, you wrote: Some sample from the half hour I spent near the feeder: http://www.markcassino.com/temp/b001.jpg http://www.markcassino.com/temp/b002.jpg http://www.markcassino.com/temp/b003.jpg http://www.markcassino.com/temp/b004.jpg Good shots, Mark. I like the bokeh from that combination. Shalom, Fred - Mark Cassino Photography Kalamazoo, MI http://www.markcassino.com -
Re: Mad Lenses on *ist D
At 08:52 AM 12/11/2003 -0500, Mark Roberts wrote: What ISO setting? I tried getting some hummingbirds last summer and found it maddening because I only had ISO 100 film on hand. It would have been nice to just instantly switch to ISO 800. Those were all shot at ISO 200, with the AF360FGZ at -1.5 stops on a bracket (to get over the lens.) - MCC - Mark Cassino Photography Kalamazoo, MI http://www.markcassino.com -
Re: DCPDML Confab #17
If anyone needs better directions, let me know. Christian - Original Message - From: tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pdml [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 11:34 AM Subject: DCPDML Confab #17 Where: Germantown Hard Times Why: : They don't use curry. They do have pool tables. When : Tuesday 12/16, 7:30 http://www.hardtimes.com/germantown.htm RSVP privately. tv
RE: Way OT:Global warming-was:GFM Attendees (updated)
Sorry, that's what I get for relying on someone else's post references... Regards, Bob... History is not a school-mistress. She does not teach. She is a prison matron who punishes for unlearned lessons. -- Vasily Klyutchevsky, Russian historian From: Bob Walkden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, for the record, I did not say that. Cheers, Bob Thursday, December 11, 2003, 5:25:05 PM, you wrote: I understand that what you say is the current, politically correct mantra, but I believe it's false. From: Bob Walkden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] It's also been established that it began right after the beginning of the industrial revolution. Nah. Probably just a coincidence... :)
RE: Way OT:Global warming-was:GFM Attendees (updated)
Sure enough... Regards, Bob... History is not a school-mistress. She does not teach. She is a prison matron who punishes for unlearned lessons. -- Vasily Klyutchevsky, Russian historian From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Bob Blakely Subject: RE: Way OT:Global warming-was:GFM Attendees (updated) I understand that what you say is the current, politically correct mantra, but I believe it's false. http://www.clearlight.com/~mhieb/WVFossils/ice_ages.html This is EXTREMELY OT and controversial. Frankly, I view with great skepticism any source that has a vested (monetary or political) interest in promoting their position, i.e. if specific study conclusions and/or professional opinions are necessary for further funding, I'm wary. If the intent of the study is to support a politically correct belief leading to an increase in the transfer of power from citizens to the government, I'm not about to just jump on the band wagon. The entire world is full of politicians screaming that The sky is falling and that they have the answer that will save us all. They do this to rally a cause (it can be any cause) to obtain support for votes, power and recognition. It's in their nature. That humans are a major cause of global warming and that we can do anything significant about it should be questioned critically by everyone, that is to say, it's not productive to repeat what may be just the false mantras of the day. Words of wisdom for sure. Of course this theory can be applied to way more topics than just global warming.
Re: ultra-wide primes
Thanks so far, what about the K 18/3.5? Is it the dark horse in the trio? Peter Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A 15/3.5 - Big, Expensive honker that rarely leaves the house or gets out of the case. Light loss at the corners wide open... A 20/2.8 - In the camera bag with the LX and 2 Limited lenses (43 77). Smaller than it looks, and seriously wider than a 24mm (plus much smaller than the FA24/2.0). Very nice picture qualities. I basically only have to add an Amen to what Bob has said. The A 15/3.5 is a gorgeous (and amazingly) rectilinear ultra-wide, but doesn't travel too often (only if I know I am going to need it for a particular shot). On the other hand, the superb A 20/2.8 is almost always in the travel bag - it's easily my most-used wide-angle. Both lenses are among Pentax's finest lenses, I would say, but differ considerably in portability. I'll second what Fred says except that I seem to carry my K15/3.5 around a lot more often. I'll often take the 15 plus the FA*24/2.0 and the FA*80-200/2.8 as a three lens kit. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: OT:Weird names
I first saw it on the Three Stooges but it was not likely original in their productions. Collin From: Raimo Korhonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dewey, Cheatem Howe is from Leisure Suit Larry III. Remember those? All the best! Raimo
Re: Way OT:Global warming
Bob Blakely wrote: I understand that what you say is the current, politically correct mantra, but I believe it's false. http://www.clearlight.com/~mhieb/WVFossils/ice_ages.html This is EXTREMELY OT and controversial. great page Bob - if only the sheep could think with their own brains rather than be so brainwashed by the push pull of popular media. ... they wouldn't call it Freon if it wasn't meant to be free! Bill - Bill D. Casselberry ; Photography on the Oregon Coast http://www.orednet.org/~bcasselb [EMAIL PROTECTED] -
Re: Way OT:Global warming-was:GFM Attendees (updated)
På 11. des. 2003 kl. 18.58 skrev William Robb: - Original Message - From: Bob Blakely Subject: RE: Way OT:Global warming-was:GFM Attendees (updated) I understand that what you say is the current, politically correct mantra, but I believe it's false. http://www.clearlight.com/~mhieb/WVFossils/ice_ages.html This is EXTREMELY OT and controversial. Frankly, I view with great skepticism any source that has a vested (monetary or political) interest in promoting their position, i.e. if specific study conclusions and/or professional opinions are necessary for further funding, I'm wary. If the intent of the study is to support a politically correct belief leading to an increase in the transfer of power from citizens to the government, I'm not about to just jump on the band wagon. The entire world is full of politicians screaming that The sky is falling and that they have the answer that will save us all. They do this to rally a cause (it can be any cause) to obtain support for votes, power and recognition. It's in their nature. That humans are a major cause of global warming and that we can do anything significant about it should be questioned critically by everyone, that is to say, it's not productive to repeat what may be just the false mantras of the day. Words of wisdom for sure. Of course this theory can be applied to way more topics than just global warming. Sure. I think of it the other way around. Should we be surprised if dumping a lot of some compound into the environment affects it? We are so many now that it´s obvious to me that we will change the environment in some way. Probably, we should be careful with too much of anything because it is more than likely that some of it will affect our world, and we may not notice it before it is too late. It´s like smoking. Why shouldn´t drawing a lot of smoke through our breathing organs cause some bad changes? DagT :-)
Re: horizon on *ist-D
- Original Message - From: Bill Owens Subject: Re: horizon on *ist-D And everyone here gets it right the first time. Hell no, or at least I don't. However, the fix it in Photoshop menatility is a really good way to get really bad photographs. William Robb
Re: OT:Weird names
True story: My mom worked for a law firm in Rochester, MN which, when the names are arranged just so you get: Dewey, Suk, Dingle and Howe (not the official name of the firm but the real names of the partners). Christian PS: a disgruntled ex-employee of the firm submitted this as a joke to Playboy in the mid-eighties and it was published. - Original Message - From: Collin Brendemuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 1:41 PM Subject: Re: OT:Weird names I first saw it on the Three Stooges but it was not likely original in their productions. Collin From: Raimo Korhonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dewey, Cheatem Howe is from Leisure Suit Larry III. Remember those? All the best! Raimo
Re: ultra-wide primes
what about the K 18/3.5? Is it the dark horse in the trio? I've heard previously (here on the PDML, I guess) that it is a good lens, Peter, but I have no experience with it myself. Fred
Re: pentax-discuss-d Digest V03 #1645
I thought attachments were stripped off at the list server? That's how it used to be, anyway... I don't think it's the List. If it was, many of us would have noticed. Looks like a spoofer to me... Jostein - Pictures at: http://oksne.net - - Original Message - From: Jon Glass [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 9:10 PM Subject: Re: pentax-discuss-d Digest V03 #1645 I just today realized why I'm missing emails... Every day I get several emails just like the one I've quoted entirely below... It appears that somebody posting on the list has a virus. Unfortunately, I never get the digest, only the warning, so I have no idea who. But worse, I'm missing tons of messages--the vast majority, in fact. It's enough for me to bail out if it doesn't get corrected soon... So, I implore all Windows-using members to check and see if you have a virus. :-) on 12/10/03 5:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Virus Warning Message (on the network) Security warning Exceed_Decompression_Layer in file email-body The uncleanable file is deleted. A virus was found either in the body of this message or in the message attachment. If the infected file could be cleaned, the clean file was inserted back into this message. If the infected file could not be cleaned, it was removed from this message. To stop further spreading of this virus, please immediately notify the sender that the file was infected and needs to be cleaned before being sent again. - -- Virus Warning Message (on the network) email-body is removed from here because it contains a virus. - -- -Jon Glass Krakow, Poland [EMAIL PROTECTED] Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. --John Adams
Re: OT: I's Back
Course done, final taken, I's back. I was only gone about two weeks, so no need to acknowledge this post or fall all over me or anything. Sheesh, maybe I can also find some free time now to take pix. Marnie aka Doe ;-)
re: Monterey CA Pentax dealers?
I recall in the past I was looking for the hood for the Tokina 17/3.5 (not available in the UK, I kid you not) and came across Samy's, http://www.samys.com/ anybody know them? Reputable dealer on the lines of BH. A photographer I used to work with used them and liked them. Butch Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself. Hermann Hesse (Demian)
Re: Re: ultra-wide primes
Peter, If had the opportunity to purchase a K 18/3.5, I would jump on it. Every review I have read on this lens states it performs brilliantly. I believe it would also handle much better than a A 15/3.5. Regards, Jose R. Rodriguez From: Peter Smekal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/12/11 Thu PM 12:34:36 CST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ultra-wide primes Thanks so far, what about the K 18/3.5? Is it the dark horse in the trio? Peter Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A 15/3.5 - Big, Expensive honker that rarely leaves the house or gets out of the case. Light loss at the corners wide open... A 20/2.8 - In the camera bag with the LX and 2 Limited lenses (43 77). Smaller than it looks, and seriously wider than a 24mm (plus much smaller than the FA24/2.0). Very nice picture qualities. I basically only have to add an Amen to what Bob has said. The A 15/3.5 is a gorgeous (and amazingly) rectilinear ultra-wide, but doesn't travel too often (only if I know I am going to need it for a particular shot). On the other hand, the superb A 20/2.8 is almost always in the travel bag - it's easily my most-used wide-angle. Both lenses are among Pentax's finest lenses, I would say, but differ considerably in portability. I'll second what Fred says except that I seem to carry my K15/3.5 around a lot more often. I'll often take the 15 plus the FA*24/2.0 and the FA*80-200/2.8 as a three lens kit. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: OT: Weird place names
Sadly Haugh means a low boggy place. I live in a swamp by the River!!! g - Original Message - From: mike.wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 3:56 PM Subject: re: OT: Weird place names Hi, Jostein wrote: Scottish place-names was good entertainment on our holiday trip with the Cot's last summer. There's pretty much Nordic heritage in those pronounciations, I think... Haugh is sucspiciously like the Norwegian haug meaning small hill or large mound. Would that fit the topography of Urr's place? :-) Not only in Scotland. In northern England, where the border only solidified in the last 300 years, heugh, haugh and various other spellings mean hill, rock, hummock, etc. Many, many words in the modern, local dialects derive from our visitors from across the North Sea. mike ganning yem
RE: Way OT:Global warming
From: Bill D. Casselberry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ... they wouldn't call it Freon if it wasn't meant to be free! HAR! (picking my arss back up off the floor...) Regards, Bob... History is not a school-mistress. She does not teach. She is a prison matron who punishes for unlearned lessons. -- Vasily Klyutchevsky, Russian historian
Re: horizon on *ist-D
Nor do I. Shooting landscapes in the Blue Ridge Mountains can drive you crazy trying to get the horizon level. There is no flat horizon. Bill - Original Message - From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 2:00 PM Subject: Re: horizon on *ist-D - Original Message - From: Bill Owens Subject: Re: horizon on *ist-D And everyone here gets it right the first time. Hell no, or at least I don't. However, the fix it in Photoshop menatility is a really good way to get really bad photographs. William Robb
Re: pentax-discuss-d Digest V03 #1645
- Original Message - From: Jostein Subject: Re: pentax-discuss-d Digest V03 #1645 I thought attachments were stripped off at the list server? That's how it used to be, anyway... I don't think it's the List. If it was, many of us would have noticed. Looks like a spoofer to me... I accidentally sent an HTML email to the list the other day, and it bounced. If the list server bounces html, I can't see it allowing any other script through either. William Robb
Re: pentax-discuss-d Digest V03 #1645
From time to time I forget to change the email format from HTML to plain, and every time I get the email returned by the listsoftware. I can't imagine it would let attachments through, and then only to you, no one else. On Thu, 2003-12-11 at 20:14, Jostein wrote: I thought attachments were stripped off at the list server? That's how it used to be, anyway... I don't think it's the List. If it was, many of us would have noticed. Looks like a spoofer to me... Jostein - Pictures at: http://oksne.net - - Original Message - From: Jon Glass [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 9:10 PM Subject: Re: pentax-discuss-d Digest V03 #1645 I just today realized why I'm missing emails... Every day I get several emails just like the one I've quoted entirely below... It appears that somebody posting on the list has a virus. Unfortunately, I never get the digest, only the warning, so I have no idea who. But worse, I'm missing tons of messages--the vast majority, in fact. It's enough for me to bail out if it doesn't get corrected soon... So, I implore all Windows-using members to check and see if you have a virus. :-) on 12/10/03 5:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Virus Warning Message (on the network) Security warning Exceed_Decompression_Layer in file email-body The uncleanable file is deleted. A virus was found either in the body of this message or in the message attachment. If the infected file could be cleaned, the clean file was inserted back into this message. If the infected file could not be cleaned, it was removed from this message. To stop further spreading of this virus, please immediately notify the sender that the file was infected and needs to be cleaned before being sent again. - -- Virus Warning Message (on the network) email-body is removed from here because it contains a virus. - -- -Jon Glass Krakow, Poland [EMAIL PROTECTED] Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. --John Adams -- Frits Wüthrich [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: horizon on *ist-D
Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shooting landscapes in the Blue Ridge Mountains can drive you crazy trying to get the horizon level. There is no flat horizon. Lots of places are like that. Many times I've leveled a horizon in Photoshop only to find out later that I had the camera level when I took the shot; it was the *horizon* that wasn't level. Which brings up a philosophical question: Do you try to get the horizon so that it *looks* right or the way you really know *is* right (but looks funny in the final print)? -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: Re 2: Bizarre eBay offering
Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2969470695category=4702 Drat...no aperture ring. Well lenses without aperture rings have advantages and disadvantages. Kind of a double-edged sword... -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: Re: OT:Weird place names-was: GFM Attendees (updated)
on 12/11/03 4:57 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In Rochester, one could get a vasectomy from a (non-fictional) urologist named Dr. Stopp. The doctor who sewed me up after my car accident (when I was 6) was named Dr. Cutty... :-) -- -Jon Glass Krakow, Poland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide. --John Adams
RE: Way OT:Global warming-was:GFM Attendees (updated)
From: Dag T [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Why? Politicians are the only folks around who regularly lie to us as though it were a requirement of their profession! Should we be surprised if dumping a lot of some compound into the environment affects it? We are so many now that it´s obvious to me that we will change the environment in some way. Really? What's a lot? Who told you it was a lot? Of the 186 billion tons of CO2 that enter earth's atmosphere each year from all sources, only 6 billion tons are from human activity. That would be about 3.2%. Approximately 90 billion tons come from biologic activity in earth's oceans and another 90 billion tons from such sources as volcanoes and decaying land plants. Probably, we should be careful with too much of anything because it is more than likely that some of it will affect our world, and we may not notice it before it is too late. Really, how much is too much? At 368 parts per million CO2 is a minor constituent of earth's atmosphere-- less than 4/100ths of 1% of all gases present. Compared to former geologic times, earth's current atmosphere is CO2- impoverished. It´s like smoking. Why shouldn´t drawing a lot of smoke through our breathing organs cause some bad changes? It's not like smoking. A smoker draws into his/her lungs many orders of magnitude more pollutants than is in the natural air surrounding him. With CO2, we are talking orders of magnitude less. Water vapor is a much more efficient greenhouse gas and is two orders of magnitude more plentiful than CO2 in our atmosphere. (Perhaps we should rethink those fuel cell cars!) If we are in a global warming crisis today, even the most aggressive and costly proposals for limiting industrial carbon dioxide emissions would have a negligible effect on global climate! Don't be one of the sheeple. Just because someone spits out some number that seems alarmingly large to you in comparison to your daily references doesn't mean it's significant. Ninety three million miles seems like a large number - until you compare it with the distance to Sol's nearest neighbor. Regards, Bob... History is not a school-mistress. She does not teach. She is a prison matron who punishes for unlearned lessons. -- Vasily Klyutchevsky, Russian historian
Re: ultra-wide primes
Jose R. Rodriguez schrieb: Peter, If had the opportunity to purchase a K 18/3.5, I would jump on it. Not cheap, but there is one at the very moment at ebay Germany! True! Great condtion, from Mr. Bukovina's collection. Every review I have read on this lens states it performs brilliantly. I believe it would also handle much better than a A 15/3.5. But remember, that's a _vast_ difference, between an 18mm and 15mm lens ;-) Thomas Regards, Jose R. Rodriguez From: Peter Smekal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/12/11 Thu PM 12:34:36 CST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ultra-wide primes Thanks so far, what about the K 18/3.5? Is it the dark horse in the trio? Peter Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A 15/3.5 - Big, Expensive honker that rarely leaves the house or gets out of the case. Light loss at the corners wide open... A 20/2.8 - In the camera bag with the LX and 2 Limited lenses (43 77). Smaller than it looks, and seriously wider than a 24mm (plus much smaller than the FA24/2.0). Very nice picture qualities. I basically only have to add an Amen to what Bob has said. The A 15/3.5 is a gorgeous (and amazingly) rectilinear ultra-wide, but doesn't travel too often (only if I know I am going to need it for a particular shot). On the other hand, the superb A 20/2.8 is almost always in the travel bag - it's easily my most-used wide-angle. Both lenses are among Pentax's finest lenses, I would say, but differ considerably in portability. I'll second what Fred says except that I seem to carry my K15/3.5 around a lot more often. I'll often take the 15 plus the FA*24/2.0 and the FA*80-200/2.8 as a three lens kit. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
I'm far from being a Mark Cassino, but...
While playing with my 500mm today, this little guy stopped by our deck to say Hi. Granted it's a bit soft. but he was only about 10 feet away. http://groups.msn.com/BillOwensPhotos/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhotoPhotoID=51 Bill
Re: I'm far from being a Mark Cassino, but...
While playing with my 500mm today, this little guy stopped by our deck to say Hi. Granted it's a bit soft. but he was only about 10 feet away. http://groups.msn.com/BillOwensPhotos/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhotoPhotoID=51 Bill Your right,Mark would have used a pine boardvbg Nice one Bill Dave
Autoreply: Re: Re: OT:Weird place names-was: GFM Attendees (updated)
Re: I'm far from being a Mark Cassino, but...
Nice shot! Marnie aka Doe :-) And no one's Mark, but Mark. So that's a Bill pix.
My good Christmas deed
Had a few emails from some one i know casually from horse shows(even bought some pictures :-))and she found an old K1000 with 50mm lens,that had been shelved for many years.Her new to her 80-200 smc a came to day and we have had fun emailing back and forth with instructions and photo tips etc.IE: I keep pulling on the lens but it wont come off,I put the film in the camera and close the back but it does not load,type of things. Finally i contibute instead of annoy.:-) Dave Brooks
Re: I'm far from being a Mark Cassino, but...
On Thu, 11 Dec 2003, Bill Owens wrote: While playing with my 500mm today, this little guy stopped by our deck to say Hi. Granted it's a bit soft. but he was only about 10 feet away. http://groups.msn.com/BillOwensPhotos/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhotoPhotoID=51 Nice birdie Bill. It doesn't matter this photo is a bit soft - it is very good anyway. -- Regards Sylwek
Re: I'm far from being a Mark Cassino, but...
cute. Christian - Original Message - From: Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PDML [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 3:01 PM Subject: I'm far from being a Mark Cassino, but... While playing with my 500mm today, this little guy stopped by our deck to say Hi. Granted it's a bit soft. but he was only about 10 feet away. http://groups.msn.com/BillOwensPhotos/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhotoPhotoID=51 Bill
Re: I'm far from being a Mark Cassino, but...
Thanks, Marnie and Dave. I wish I'd had the Tamron 70-300 on instead of the 500 mirror. The mirror lens is soft anytime, and even more so when focused close. Bill - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 3:17 PM Subject: Re: I'm far from being a Mark Cassino, but... Nice shot! Marnie aka Doe :-) And no one's Mark, but Mark. So that's a Bill pix.
Vs: OT:Weird names
Dewey, Cheatem Howe is from Leisure Suit Larry III. Remember those? All the best! Raimo Actually Dewey, Cheatem Howe was used in a 3 Stooges short back in the 30's or 40's Butch Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself. Hermann Hesse (Demian)
Re: DA16-45: No aperture rings any more?
William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not likely, all the film manufacturers are getting out of APS film. OTOH, this could make Pentax look seriously at the concept. It would fit their marketing strategy. Are you stating they do have a marketing strategy? Weird... :-) Gianfranco = To read is to travel without all the hassles of luggage. ---Emilio Salgari (1863-1911) __ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/
Re: other brands:was ditching Pentax
But then Nikon has, or will have (not quite sure which, but it is in BH's catalog), a 17-55mm f2.8. -- tom wrote: Plus they have that 24-70/2.8 which is pretty nifty. -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
*istD cheaper again
Now only 1299$ at buydig.com - very reputable seller. Who bets 1199$ just before Christmas? ;-) -- Best regards Sylwek
Re: *istD cheaper again
On Thursday, Dec 11, 2003, at 15:54 America/New_York, Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: Now only 1299$ at buydig.com - very reputable seller. Who bets 1199$ just before Christmas? ;-) Could be Pentax's strategy of competing in the under-$1000 DSLR market. Instead of coming out with a cheaper model, just gradually lower the price of the current model. :-) --jc
RE: other brands:was ditching Pentax
Yeah, I saw that. Told a Nikon shooting buddy about it. He's annoyed since he recently dropped a load on the 17-35/2.8. I personally wouldn't by a DX-style lens as I still plan to go full-frame at some point. tv -Original Message- From: graywolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 3:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: other brands:was ditching Pentax But then Nikon has, or will have (not quite sure which, but it is in BH's catalog), a 17-55mm f2.8. -- tom wrote: Plus they have that 24-70/2.8 which is pretty nifty. -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
Re: Way OT:Global warming-was:GFM Attendees (updated)
There has been a warming trend since 1865 when they started recording temperatures. Geologically that that tells you nothing. No one knows when it began. Probably about 50,000 years ago. But there also short term ups and downs. One volcano is capable of throwing more junk in the air in one eruption than man has done since the beginning of time. In fact there is evidence that one in the Indian Ocean caused a world wide temperature drop of 10-15 degrees back about 1100. Greenhouse effect? Yes, that was what was supposed to have caused Venus to have such a high temperature. Right? Go look up current theory on that. But then many look at this stuff religiously, rather than scientifically. -- Mark Roberts wrote: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom, I'll leave my personal beliefs and politics out of it (many of you can guess where I stand anyway g) But, Global Warming (see, I've capitalized it this time, to signify it's importance g) is not much ado about nothing. That the earth's climate has warmed up since we've been keeping records is indisputable. It's also been established that it began right after the beginning of the industrial revolution. Nah. Probably just a coincidence... :) -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
Re: Way OT:Global warming-was:GFM Attendees (updated)
Ah, that puts things into proper perspective. Thank you, Bob. -- Bob Walkden wrote: I blame the Maasai. One theory has it that the methane emitted from the rearmost parts of the world's cattle is a major contributory factor. According to Maasai tradition they own all the cattle in the world. So it's their fault. n.b. Funny book title: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0385606745/qid%3D1071159121/202-6069445-1903860 -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
Re: OT: Wierd place names
On 11/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: Lets stick to England for the moment. Mousehole? [pronounced as muzzle?] stan Mow-zull Mow as in chow. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
RE:other brands:was ditching Pentax
On 11/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: Len took time to scribe: I, too, would love to be able to afford to buy a 1Ds. It will come in time. Len * There's no place like 127.0.0.1 Just wondering why when people talk about jumping to another brand of DSLR,the Canon name seems to pop up more than the Nikon name. I only bought the Nikon D1 as i knew the camera and the guy who owned it.It was in good shape and i often saw his results with it.Canon was never on my mind at that point. Severasl of the list people didi not wait for Pentax to release the starkits and bought Canon.Any particular reasons folks.Cost,lens availablity,just hate Nikon:-)??? Dave (looking to upgrade his DSLR prior to the 2004 show season)Brooks Interesting. Here in the UK, Nikon is much more prevalent amongst PJs and news snappers than Canon. I always go for the underdog so chose Canon! Actually there was a much better reason - I decided I wanted CMOS rather than CCD (yes I know the 1D has a CCD). Why? Better battery life (allegedly) and there was already the D30 on the streets, so there were incumbents about, so to speak. The D100 was still imminent when I chose the D60. I have no regrets, even after having seen the *ist D now, although I think that it is a very cool camera. I have found something that suits me. I can't see myself returning to Pentax now, nor for the forseeable future. The Pentax I know and love exists in equipment that was made over 20 years ago. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: Way OT:Global warming-was:GFM Attendees (updated)
On 11 Dec 2003 at 16:15, graywolf wrote: Greenhouse effect? Yes, that was what was supposed to have caused Venus to have such a high temperature. Right? Go look up current theory on that. But then many look at this stuff religiously, rather than scientifically. And some don't: http://www.greenhouse.gov.au/science/guide/index.html Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: Way OT:Global warming-was:GFM Attendees (updated)
Anything you say. Bob. As if CO2 is the only harmful substance out there. Dream on. Jostein - Pictures at: http://oksne.net - - Original Message - From: Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 8:50 PM Subject: RE: Way OT:Global warming-was:GFM Attendees (updated) From: Dag T [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Why? Politicians are the only folks around who regularly lie to us as though it were a requirement of their profession! Should we be surprised if dumping a lot of some compound into the environment affects it? We are so many now that it´s obvious to me that we will change the environment in some way. Really? What's a lot? Who told you it was a lot? Of the 186 billion tons of CO2 that enter earth's atmosphere each year from all sources, only 6 billion tons are from human activity. That would be about 3.2%. Approximately 90 billion tons come from biologic activity in earth's oceans and another 90 billion tons from such sources as volcanoes and decaying land plants. Probably, we should be careful with too much of anything because it is more than likely that some of it will affect our world, and we may not notice it before it is too late. Really, how much is too much? At 368 parts per million CO2 is a minor constituent of earth's atmosphere-- less than 4/100ths of 1% of all gases present. Compared to former geologic times, earth's current atmosphere is CO2- impoverished. It´s like smoking. Why shouldn´t drawing a lot of smoke through our breathing organs cause some bad changes? It's not like smoking. A smoker draws into his/her lungs many orders of magnitude more pollutants than is in the natural air surrounding him. With CO2, we are talking orders of magnitude less. Water vapor is a much more efficient greenhouse gas and is two orders of magnitude more plentiful than CO2 in our atmosphere. (Perhaps we should rethink those fuel cell cars!) If we are in a global warming crisis today, even the most aggressive and costly proposals for limiting industrial carbon dioxide emissions would have a negligible effect on global climate! Don't be one of the sheeple. Just because someone spits out some number that seems alarmingly large to you in comparison to your daily references doesn't mean it's significant. Ninety three million miles seems like a large number - until you compare it with the distance to Sol's nearest neighbor. Regards, Bob... History is not a school-mistress. She does not teach. She is a prison matron who punishes for unlearned lessons. -- Vasily Klyutchevsky, Russian historian
Re: OT: Wierd place names
On 11/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: Lets stick to England for the moment. Mousehole? [pronounced as muzzle?] stan Mow-zull Mow as in chow. Not to mention that casually dismissing Cornwall as part of England might get you into trouble with some people.
James Nachtway
Did anyone else see the Press Release that Photographer James Nachtway was injured by a hand grenade in Iraq today? He and a reporter were both hurt, one seriously, but the article I read did not indicate which one that was. Let's hope he comes out OK, he has such a talent.
Re: OT:Weird place names-was: GFM Attendees (updated)
One more, and this is my last one, promise. I really should have mentioned this one the other day, when this silly thread started. Along the Trans Canada Highway in Quebec, Canada, not far from the New Brunswick border, is the town of: Saint Louis de Ha! Ha! There are several stories about how the name came about, but it seems that it's some sort of a bastardization of a native word or phrase (the French added the St. Louis part). Another weird thing is that the road signs mentioning one's approach to the town spell it several ways: St. Louis de Ha! Ha!, St. Louis de Ha-Ha and St. Louis de ha-ha. And those are all Provincial Government road signs - I guess they couldn't decide which was right, so used all three on various approach signs. cheers, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Chris Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have family in Biggar Sask. The town slogan is: New York is big, but this is Biggar or something like that. - Chris From Surrey, BC, which is accross the fraser River from New Westminster. -- Chris Murray /\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN http://apeman.org/ XAGAINST HTML MAIL Cell: 604.861.8307 / \/ Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcommpgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca
Re: OT:Weird place names-was: GFM Attendees (updated)
frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We don't attack. We lull our victims into a state of false security, then infiltrate. Our operatives are hockey players, comedians, newscasters. Hey, you left out musicians! I'm just burning a CD from an LP-to-DAT transfer of an album by a long-gone (as far as I know) Canadian band called FM. Heard of them? -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
RE: WTB
I know what it is, Feroze, and have sen some around for sale. Try BH, they still carry quite a bit of new/old equipment, and I think I recall seeing some of these flash acccessory items there. -Original Message- From: Feroze Kistan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: December 11, 2003 10:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:WTB Pentax Clamp (Cat No. 30389) for hot shoe grip (not the 400T one, but it might be the same part, I'm just not sure) I can only pay by bidpay, CC or TT Yes I have checked ebay and there isn't one available, at least not by anyone willing to send to South Africa. TIA Feroze
Re: Coming to terms with *ist D lens mag factor?
Unfortunately, the TIFF is that size only because it is 16 bit. I need a 35 meg 8 bit file - or ~11 x 14 at 300 dpi. - MCC At 12:22 AM 12/11/2003 -0500, you wrote: On Thursday, Dec 11, 2003, at 00:02 America/New_York, Mark Cassino wrote: The stock agency I work with wants 35 meg files minimum, so I anticipate that I will shoot film in tandem with the *ist D, just to keep them happy. You're almost there. A TIFF file converted from an *ist-D RAW file is 34.6 meg. Upsizing it a little might just do it. --jc - Mark Cassino Photography Kalamazoo, MI http://www.markcassino.com -
Re: Coming to terms with *ist D lens mag factor?
At 01:01 AM 12/11/2003 -0500, you wrote: If you use rather more of the 3040 x 2024 sensor than the 3008 x 2008 image area you can get to that 35MB boundary. Is that possible? _ MCC - Mark Cassino Photography Kalamazoo, MI http://www.markcassino.com -
Re: OT: Snow fleas
At 08:40 AM 12/11/2003 +, mike.wilson wrote: ...snow fleas... And they are.? Little critters that live in the snow... :-) Nice DOF on the bird shots. What speed/shutter combi was that? The cardinal was at f 6.7 / 1/80th of a sec, the others were at 150/sec f 8 - f 11... Since the the 1.7x adapter translates the aperture info to reflect the impact of the Teleconverter, I think the recorded apertures have also been adjusted. So the lens was set at f 4 for the f6.7 shot, etc. With the relatively show X-Synch speed and fast minimum ISO, I can see needing a neutral density filter on the lens when birding. I'd like to shoot at f 6.7 - f8 for everything, but the flash and bright light and ISO 200, may require stopping down more (or trying the flash in high speed mode.) - MCC - Mark Cassino Photography Kalamazoo, MI http://www.markcassino.com -
Re: I'm far from being a Mark Cassino, but...
Looks nice to me - what kind of bird is it? (I only get cardinals, blue jays, and English Sparrows at the feeder...) - MCC At 03:01 PM 12/11/2003 -0500, you wrote: While playing with my 500mm today, this little guy stopped by our deck to say Hi. Granted it's a bit soft. but he was only about 10 feet away. http://groups.msn.com/BillOwensPhotos/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhotoPhotoID=51 Bill - Mark Cassino Photography Kalamazoo, MI http://www.markcassino.com -
Re: OT: I's Back
I don't care what you say. Welcome back, anyway. vbg cheers, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: I's Back Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 14:15:12 EST Course done, final taken, I's back. I was only gone about two weeks, so no need to acknowledge this post or fall all over me or anything. Sheesh, maybe I can also find some free time now to take pix. Marnie aka Doe ;-) _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/viruspgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca
Re: Film is not dead :-)
suppose a sheet of 4x5 Provia 100F cost $10 instead of $2 like it costs not. how many do you think JCO would shoot? Herb... - Original Message - From: Leonard Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:52 AM Subject: RE: Film is not dead :-) Or until film gets so expensive that all the film shooters are going to have to use digital in order to be sure their setup is absolutely right before they commit that frame of expensive film. Kind of like what large and medium format shooters used to do with Polaroids. Then, as digital improves, they'll just drop out of film altogether, with the exception of very well-heeled amateurs.
Re: OT:Weird place names-was: GFM Attendees (updated)
FM. FM. FM... Racking my brains over that one, Mark. I have this vague feeling that I should know them, or that I knew of them in a past life, but it's just not clicking right now. I remember there was a movie in the 70's called FM (wasn't there?) that no one went to see, but it had a really good soundtrack, with the title song by Steely Dan. But that's something else altogether. FM. Could they be a sort of prog rock band out of Toronto in the 70's? That's the best I can do right now. cheers, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey, you left out musicians! I'm just burning a CD from an LP-to-DAT transfer of an album by a long-gone (as far as I know) Canadian band called FM. Heard of them? -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/photospgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca
Snow!
It got cold today and snow has been dusting around, so I set up the *ist D and my regular snowflake rig to see how it would do. I have to say - this camera is great! I used the M-50 f4 macro reverse mounted on a generic K mount bellows mounted on a set of Vivitar extension tubes. I used the AF360FGZ in TTL mode as the mian light, with a manual slave flash for highlights. For some reason I could not get the AF360FGZ to work in P-TTL mode, as it does with this setup and the Mz-S. Magnification was about 4x on the sensor, effective 6x given the crop factor. The snow was not great - lots of air bubbles in the flakes and light frosty stuff on them, no really clean flakes. But good enough for a test. Here's one, adjusted in photoshop: http://www.markcassino.com/temp/IMGP1447_tu1.jpg The dark spot below the flake is apparently a smudge on the either the glass or the diffuser under it. Actual pixels, touched up: http://www.markcassino.com/temp/IMGP1447_cr01.jpg And the full frame shot as recorded by the camera: http://www.markcassino.com/temp/IMGP1447_raw.jpg That's pretty much comparable to what I get with film, and then have to adjust. I'd like to get it sharper - the diffraction with all the extension really takes the edge off - but these results certainly rival what I get from film. ANd I cam away with 25 keeper shots - I would have shot ~3 rolls of film, between bracketing and screw ups - to do that. So the price is right as well. - MCC - Mark Cassino Photography Kalamazoo, MI http://www.markcassino.com -
Re: unsubscribe
But, when I was a kid, I thought that the Winnigeg Blue Bombers was the coolest name for a football team ever. -frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] He's from Manitoba. They can't even field a half decent football team. HAR! WW _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/photospgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca
Re: OT:Weird place names-was: GFM Attendees (updated)
frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FM. Could they be a sort of prog rock band out of Toronto in the 70's? That's the best I can do right now. That's them :-) Three-piece band; drummer, keyboard/bassist and electric mandolin violin. Amazing musicians. Saw 'em live several times. they kept going until the mid 1980s. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: James Nachtway
Hi, Thursday, December 11, 2003, 11:47:10 PM, you wrote: Did anyone else see the Press Release that Photographer James Nachtway was injured by a hand grenade in Iraq today? He and a reporter were both hurt, one seriously, but the article I read did not indicate which one that was. Let's hope he comes out OK, he has such a talent. I saw the press release. I've had a look around the web for more details, but unsuccessfully. -- Cheers, Bobmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Pentax 135/1.8
For those who have been following Pentax second hand prices. How much would a Pentax 135 1.8 be expected to fetch? Lasse
