Re: A Girl and Her Horse

[Ann Sanfedele]

Cotty wrote:

> Horsey types will go 'aahhh'...
>
> 
>
> Cheers,
>   Cotty
>

ah :)
ann

>
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Re: Ken Rockwell's review of the istDs ...

[Jamie Walling]

Wow.. Calling a guy you dont know a mindless twit
because of his opinion of an inanimate object.  Such
hostility.

I personally think his take on the istDs is great.  If
your view of a good camera is high speed flash synch
or FPS or the ability to rent lens, or any number of
specifics that the istDs does not deliver then the
istDs really is an utter piece of crap compared to the
D70.  If you need a feature and any camera does not
offer it, then discussion over.  You dont need to
actually use the camera.  So his opinions are VERY
valid.  Now I personally could care less about those
points and love the istDs so much that I am
considering switching from Canon to Pentax for my
digital SLR needs.  And you know what.. His article
has actually convinced me more that the Pentax is rite
for me because of his honesty.  I have a different
OPINION than Ken, and different needs in a camera
system so what does not work for him works for me. 
You however view your different opinion as indicating
he is a mindless twit... again .. amazing.

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> The very premise of the piece is dishonesst. He
> claims it's a test or a review, yet he hasn't even
> touched it. He's just reading the press reviews and
> regurgitating. He's a mindless twit. Get over it.
> Paul
> 
> 
> > It's amazing you call him dishonest for expressing
> his
> > opinion.  Please search his article and find one
> > factual error.  And I mean a factual error, and
> not a
> > point where you disagree with his opinion.
> > 
> > His site is opinion, it is editorial.  Get over
> it.
> > 
> > And I do read leica lists all the time because I
> love
> > Leica's but try posting anything anti-leica.
> > 
> > 
> > --- "Peter J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > Jamie Walling wrote:
> > > 
> > > >WOW.  It's amazing how defensive this list
> gets.
> > > For a
> > > >moment i almost thought I was on a Leica list.
> > > >  
> > > >
> > > You obviously don't hang out on the Leica list
> much.
> > > 
> > > >It's also amazing how much people here slam Ken
> > > >Rockwell about not including facts, and then
> they
> > > >  
> > > >
> > > We're not an authority publishing a supposedly
> hands
> > > on review.  He 
> > > reviewed a camera
> > > apparently a number of cameras authoritatively
> > > without ever having seen 
> > > them.  That's like
> > > doing anatomical drawings of an elephant after
> > > hearing rumors of such a 
> > > beast.  Totally
> > > dishonest.
> > > 
> > > >themselves do not tell the facts.  Some general
> > > info
> > > >on Ken's site and this review in general (BTW
> ... I
> > > do
> > > >not know him at all, but have read his site for
> > > years
> > > >since I used to use Nikon MF and he has one of
> the
> > > >better lens sections on the web)
> > > >  
> > > >
> > > For Nikon maybe.  If he wrote a glowing review
> of a
> > > Nikon product, would I
> > > believe that either.  Probably not.
> > > 
> > > >He wrote this review BEFORE anyone had access
> to
> > > the
> > > >istDs.  It is a preview, not a review.  He even
> > > said
> > > >his opinion might change if he uses one.
> > > >  
> > > >
> > > He slammed it in a preview.  He slammed Canon
> > > cameras in previews.  _I 
> > > don't care._
> > > The most you can do in a preview is list
> features
> > > and give a first 
> > > impression.  He went
> > > a lot farther than that and regularly does so. 
> It
> > > wasn't billed as a 
> > > preview by the way,
> > > he bills it as a test review, and I quote:
> > > 
> > > "**Pentax *ist DS *istDS Test Review"**
> > > 
> > > He should get a new headline writer.
> > > Disclaimers on another page don't cut it either.
> > > 
> > > By the way he now has a disclaimer on the main
> page
> > > for this "review" 
> > > due to the "hate" mail
> > > he's received.  It wasn't there before. 
> > > 
> > > >His site is an opinion site, and he goes out of
> his
> > > >way to make that perfectly clear.  He also
> makes it
> > > >perfectly clear what he is looking for in a
> camera
> > > and
> > > >that he is ONLY judging cameras based on what
> he is
> > > >looking for in a camera... 
> > > >  
> > > >
> > > Yes it is an opinion site.  That becomes obvious
> > > when you read it. 
> > > 
> > > >If you read his pages... based on what he is
> > > looking
> > > >for, the Pentax istDs does not cut it.
> > > >  
> > > >
> > > 
> > > That's not his recommendation.  He doesn't
> dismisses
> > > it just for 
> > > himself, he dismisses it for everyone. 
> > > Even if they are just starting out and don't
> have a
> > > large investment in 
> > > other manufactures lenses. 
> > > Even if I didn't own a bunch of Pentax lenses
> the
> > > *ist-Ds would be 
> > > viable competition for the
> > > Rebel-D and the D70 which don't really cut it by
> his
> > > criteria either.  
> > > (Ok, the Nikon cut it because
> > > it says Nikon on the prism housing, but then he
> had
> > > to ignore a lot of 
> > > other things).
> > > 
> > > >
> > > >FYI ..

Re: Nikon lens mount

[Phil McOrmond]

As a serious Nikon user (although I have many cameras including Pentax, 
Canon,Yashica, Rollei, Mamiya - I use them all and enjoy each one for its 
relative merits),  I would like to add that Nikon is far from a universal 
fit with its lens mount.
There have been several iterations of the Nikon F mount over the years. 
Originally the Nikon F was an adaption of the early Nikon rangefinders 
(1948)- but with the mirror and prism on the SLR's, the lenses were 
extensively redesigned.  Originally the Nikons (1959) had the meter in the 
prism and the lens coupled with the prism through a mechanical linkage 
(rabbit ears).  At the same time there was a flange on the lenses that 
extended towards the body through 360 degrees around the lens mount.  With 
the later models of the F2 (the F2 had several evolutionary metered prisms 
extending over its many years 1971-1980) in the 70's, a new lens design was 
developed that used a meter setting activated via a tab on the body (so 
called AI lens type).  The tab had to rotate through about 60 degrees of arc 
and needed the space that was occupied by the flange on the earlier lenses.
On the "professional Nikons" (single digit Nikons ie: F3, F4, F5 -with 
adapter and now F6) the camera body tab is able to flip out of the way so 
earlier lenses will not interfere with the body.  On later amatuer bodies 
(kind of an arbitrary term on Nikon's part but generally anything more than 
a single digit Nikon), the tab is not moveable and damage will result to the 
camera/lens if one is mounted on the body. (There are a few exceptions eg 
FM, and FE).
For the rest of the later lenses ( including AF), they will mount on the 
earlier cameras but may not meter correctly depending upon the camera - with 
the professional/expensive models being more versatile.
The best featured (in terms of lens mount) film camera is probably the F4 
which will mount and meter with virtually any Nikon lens (SLR type) right up 
to the newest types.  The F4 has the ability to shoot 6 fps, has 100% 
viewfinder, choice of matrix, spot  and center weighted metering, removable 
pentaprism, mirror lockup, viewfinder shield (internal). It has a  shutter 
speed range of  30s to1/8000 and flash sync to 1/250. It also features 
silent film advance and a choice of program modes and the ability to 
manually rewind your film if desired.  It is also the largest and heaviest 
35mm SLR (F4E version) I am aware of and rivals a Mamiya TLR Medium format 
camera in weight.
So yes, Nikon has largely kept with one lens mount over the past 45 years, 
but it is not as universally useful as the Pentax mount.  What has kept it 
from being more useful (IMHO) is the wide price range between high end 
models (typically thousands of dollars) and the lower end models 
(competative with low end Canon, Minolta and Pentax cameras) which haven't 
got the features to use all the lenses.  The result of it all is to 
"require" several bodies and several lenses to make use of all the features 
available.

Regards,
Phil
Who sometimes can't decide what camera to use when he wakes up and doesn't 
take a particulary good picture with any of them.  But I keep trying!

Re: Experience with Super A/Program?

[Cesar]

Don,
The Super Program is my introduction to 35mm and Pentax photography.  I 
still have the camera - over 20 years - though I must admit to not using 
it in quite a while.  I mainly reach for an LX.

The Super Program has seen a lot of action. It has been through wind, 
sand, rain, and snow storms.  I even had a finger go through the shutter 
in Yosemite - popped it back in place that night.  It finally had to go 
in for a CLA after much use and abuse.  It has had a tough life.  I will 
have to go back to see just when I needed to send it in.
People who have seen it comment on its used look.  It has plenty of rust 
and corrosion showing - yet it still keeps on working.

I did get another Super Program at one point, but ended up selling it to 
a friend who wanted to get into 35mm photography.  I was sidetracked 
with LXen along the way so I only have the one Super Program - with five 
LXen ;-)

I would not hesitate to rely on a Super Program,
César
Panama City, Florida
Don Sanderson wrote:
Who's had a fair amount of experience with the 
Super A/Program, has it proven trustworthy and
fairly consistent in it's performance?

I've once again got myself to the point that I have 20+
Pentax bodies and a number of lenses that need to
get sold one way or the other.
I've got 2 very nice Super A's and need a little help
deciding whether they go or stay.
I like the camera and it's features but have trouble
'trusting' it because of the electronics and rather
jarring mirror return.
These 2 are pretty enough that I don't want to put
them in my kit and start scuffing them up just
to find out later they aren't very reliable.
TIA
Don
 

Re: GFM?

[Cesar]

frank theriault wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:07:42 -0500, cbwaters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 

From the web-site:
"As of January 24,   120 of 165 seats are full."
It doesn't look good for PDML West this year.  There's a wedding and I need
also to go home to MI for a while.  I'll be asking the Treasury Secretary
this week but, even if she says yes, there's no way I'll make the cut for
the contest.
CW
   

Too bad, Cory.  'T'would have been nice to see you again.
Krikies, only 45 seats left?  Wow, they're going fast, eh?
I'm thinking I go, even if I don't get an O-fish-all GFM pass.  Just
hang out at PDML Central and give the seminars a miss - not that I'd
want to do that, but being there just to camp and chat is better than
nothing.
I guess I'd better get going on registering.  Maybe next pay...  
cheers,
frank
 

Frank,
Don't sweat the registration.  I will probably will not get in either - 
I am too busy with the Mardi Gras celebration this weekend to get to it.
I am sure we can keep ourselves entertained while people are at the 
talks and such.  There were almost too many people there last year to 
spend quality time with each one.  This has forced me to consider PDML 
trips to get more one-on-one time :-)

How quickly the event approaches,
César
Panama City, Florida

Re: GFM?

[Cesar]

No!
I was hoping to sweet talk accompanying you once again this year.
Don't worry about the contest - I will cover your entry onto the 
mountain.  I was even getting the Fuji blimp ready for display once again!
I can send my resumé to the Treasury Secretary if you wish to let her 
know you will be in good hands :-)

Don't leave me to the Carolina cops on my own,
César
Panama City, Florida
cbwaters wrote:
From the web-site:
"As of January 24,   120 of 165 seats are full."
It doesn't look good for PDML West this year.  There's a wedding and I 
need also to go home to MI for a while.  I'll be asking the Treasury 
Secretary this week but, even if she says yes, there's no way I'll 
make the cut for the contest.
CW

Re: GFM?

[Cesar]

Hey there Bill,
I am planning on the trip.  I have not had the time to actually get to 
sending in my money.  The seminars and such are not worth more than the 
comaraderie and such that is the PDML.  Last year I actually skipped a 
couple of the talks to hang out with the 'list'.

I will probably do the same as last year - stay overnight with my 
friends in the Atlanta area and then head up to the mountain.

César
Panama City, Florida
Bill Owens wrote:
How many of you folks are planning on attending this year?
Bill

Re: MUST SEE: A dream come true (Definitely ON topic!)

[Peter J. Alling]

But does it feel as lovely as it looks?
Andy Chang wrote:
Yesterday Jan 28th 2005
Something extra-ordinary happened...
I saw something I dreamt of for ages...
I touched it... I hold it... I played with it...
I could hardly sleep last night...
This may be once in a life time!
But I hope I can see more of it soon...
Please click the link below to see what
http://www.flickr.com/photos/yschang/sets/98438/
Enjoy!
Andy


 


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During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke

Re: Ken Rockwell's review of the istDs ...

[Peter J. Alling]

His site shows up in search engines as test reviews.  That's dishonest. 
I'm expressing my opinion. His site is 90% crap.  Get over it.

Jamie Walling wrote:
It's amazing you call him dishonest for expressing his
opinion.  Please search his article and find one
factual error.  And I mean a factual error, and not a
point where you disagree with his opinion.
His site is opinion, it is editorial.  Get over it.
And I do read leica lists all the time because I love
Leica's but try posting anything anti-leica.
--- "Peter J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
 

Jamie Walling wrote:
   

WOW.  It's amazing how defensive this list gets.
 

For a
   

moment i almost thought I was on a Leica list.
 

You obviously don't hang out on the Leica list much.
   

It's also amazing how much people here slam Ken
Rockwell about not including facts, and then they
 

We're not an authority publishing a supposedly hands
on review.  He 
reviewed a camera
apparently a number of cameras authoritatively
without ever having seen 
them.  That's like
doing anatomical drawings of an elephant after
hearing rumors of such a 
beast.  Totally
dishonest.

   

themselves do not tell the facts.  Some general
 

info
   

on Ken's site and this review in general (BTW ... I
 

do
   

not know him at all, but have read his site for
 

years
   

since I used to use Nikon MF and he has one of the
better lens sections on the web)
 

For Nikon maybe.  If he wrote a glowing review of a
Nikon product, would I
believe that either.  Probably not.
   

He wrote this review BEFORE anyone had access to
 

the
   

istDs.  It is a preview, not a review.  He even
 

said
   

his opinion might change if he uses one.
 

He slammed it in a preview.  He slammed Canon
cameras in previews.  _I 
don't care._
The most you can do in a preview is list features
and give a first 
impression.  He went
a lot farther than that and regularly does so.  It
wasn't billed as a 
preview by the way,
he bills it as a test review, and I quote:

"**Pentax *ist DS *istDS Test Review"**
He should get a new headline writer.
Disclaimers on another page don't cut it either.
By the way he now has a disclaimer on the main page
for this "review" 
due to the "hate" mail
he's received.  It wasn't there before. 

   

His site is an opinion site, and he goes out of his
way to make that perfectly clear.  He also makes it
perfectly clear what he is looking for in a camera
 

and
   

that he is ONLY judging cameras based on what he is
looking for in a camera... 

 

Yes it is an opinion site.  That becomes obvious
when you read it. 

   

If you read his pages... based on what he is
 

looking
   

for, the Pentax istDs does not cut it.
 

That's not his recommendation.  He doesn't dismisses
it just for 
himself, he dismisses it for everyone. 
Even if they are just starting out and don't have a
large investment in 
other manufactures lenses. 
Even if I didn't own a bunch of Pentax lenses the
*ist-Ds would be 
viable competition for the
Rebel-D and the D70 which don't really cut it by his
criteria either.  
(Ok, the Nikon cut it because
it says Nikon on the prism housing, but then he had
to ignore a lot of 
other things).

   

FYI .. he gave the istD a favorable review when it
 

was
   

introduced, and personally uses Pentax spot meters.
 

Hard to say he is anti pentax.
 

I don't think anyone said he was anti Pentax.  I
believe the consensus 
was that he was
in my words an opinionated idiot, but I'm just being
judgmental, kind of 
like he is.

   

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During a war you get to drive tanks through the
sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually
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During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke

Re: GFM?

[Cesar]

Norm,
That is great to hear.
Now, does it have to be a van for you to sleep in?  Brings to mind an 
exercise they did on base here - if I were in a white van, it would not 
have been a pretty site.

You have to be at GFMtn to hear the whole story,
César
Panama City, Florida
Norman Baugher wrote:
I'm planning on itmight show up at Cotty's house though instead. HAR!
Norm
(looking for a van to sleep in)
Cotty wrote:
On 26/1/05, Bill Owens, discombobulated, unleashed:
 

How many of you folks are planning on attending this year?
  

Sadly impossible for me. Moving house.
2006 is a certainty though !

Re: Missing emails

[David Nelson]

Just checked with the archives and I miss about 1/3 (of 182 recent 
messages in the archive I received 123). Pretty annoying )-:

Davod
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Re: MUST SEE: A dream come true (Definitely ON topic!)

[Jon M]

Wow!!! 

I'm quite green with envy now. My old plain-jane LX is
pimpy enough, I can't imagine getting to fondle such
as that. 

--- Andy Chang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Yesterday Jan 28th 2005
> Something extra-ordinary happened...
> I saw something I dreamt of for ages...
> I touched it... I hold it... I played with it...
> I could hardly sleep last night...
> This may be once in a life time!
> But I hope I can see more of it soon...
> 
> Please click the link below to see what
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/yschang/sets/98438/
> 
> Enjoy!
> 
> Andy
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


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Re: MUST SEE: A dream come true (Definitely ON topic!)

[David S]

Ooo.Ahhh

Thats a seriously fine looking piece of equipment.

Dave S


On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:43:23 +0800, Andy Chang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yesterday Jan 28th 2005
> Something extra-ordinary happened...
> I saw something I dreamt of for ages...
> I touched it... I hold it... I played with it...
> I could hardly sleep last night...
> This may be once in a life time!
> But I hope I can see more of it soon...
> 
> Please click the link below to see what
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/yschang/sets/98438/
> 
> Enjoy!
> 
> Andy
> 
>

Re: MUST SEE: A dream come true (Definitely ON topic!)

[ernreed2]

Quoting Andy Chang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Yesterday Jan 28th 2005
> Something extra-ordinary happened...
> I saw something I dreamt of for ages...
> I touched it... I hold it... I played with it...
> I could hardly sleep last night...
> This may be once in a life time!
> But I hope I can see more of it soon...
> 
> Please click the link below to see what
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/yschang/sets/98438/


It's beautiful. And beautifully photographed. But what the H*** is that big 
black ugly blob thing doing next to it in some of the pictures?

ERNR 

Re: MUST SEE: A dream come true (Definitely ON topic!)

[Rob Studdert]

On 29 Jan 2005 at 11:43, Andy Chang wrote:

> Please click the link below to see what
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/yschang/sets/98438/

Wow, a Contax Carl Zeiss Planar T* 55/1.2 on a Canon EOS1v :-)


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: PAW: Alien Invaders Revisited

[pnstenquist]

Thanks Butch. A list critique is  frequently very valuable. It led me to 
rethink this one.
Paul


> Major improvement. Very nice shot Paul
> 
> Butch
> 

Re: Ken Rockwell's review of the istDs ...

[pnstenquist]

The very premise of the piece is dishonesst. He claims it's a test or a review, 
yet he hasn't even touched it. He's just reading the press reviews and 
regurgitating. He's a mindless twit. Get over it.
Paul


> It's amazing you call him dishonest for expressing his
> opinion.  Please search his article and find one
> factual error.  And I mean a factual error, and not a
> point where you disagree with his opinion.
> 
> His site is opinion, it is editorial.  Get over it.
> 
> And I do read leica lists all the time because I love
> Leica's but try posting anything anti-leica.
> 
> 
> --- "Peter J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
> > Jamie Walling wrote:
> > 
> > >WOW.  It's amazing how defensive this list gets.
> > For a
> > >moment i almost thought I was on a Leica list.
> > >  
> > >
> > You obviously don't hang out on the Leica list much.
> > 
> > >It's also amazing how much people here slam Ken
> > >Rockwell about not including facts, and then they
> > >  
> > >
> > We're not an authority publishing a supposedly hands
> > on review.  He 
> > reviewed a camera
> > apparently a number of cameras authoritatively
> > without ever having seen 
> > them.  That's like
> > doing anatomical drawings of an elephant after
> > hearing rumors of such a 
> > beast.  Totally
> > dishonest.
> > 
> > >themselves do not tell the facts.  Some general
> > info
> > >on Ken's site and this review in general (BTW ... I
> > do
> > >not know him at all, but have read his site for
> > years
> > >since I used to use Nikon MF and he has one of the
> > >better lens sections on the web)
> > >  
> > >
> > For Nikon maybe.  If he wrote a glowing review of a
> > Nikon product, would I
> > believe that either.  Probably not.
> > 
> > >He wrote this review BEFORE anyone had access to
> > the
> > >istDs.  It is a preview, not a review.  He even
> > said
> > >his opinion might change if he uses one.
> > >  
> > >
> > He slammed it in a preview.  He slammed Canon
> > cameras in previews.  _I 
> > don't care._
> > The most you can do in a preview is list features
> > and give a first 
> > impression.  He went
> > a lot farther than that and regularly does so.  It
> > wasn't billed as a 
> > preview by the way,
> > he bills it as a test review, and I quote:
> > 
> > "**Pentax *ist DS *istDS Test Review"**
> > 
> > He should get a new headline writer.
> > Disclaimers on another page don't cut it either.
> > 
> > By the way he now has a disclaimer on the main page
> > for this "review" 
> > due to the "hate" mail
> > he's received.  It wasn't there before. 
> > 
> > >His site is an opinion site, and he goes out of his
> > >way to make that perfectly clear.  He also makes it
> > >perfectly clear what he is looking for in a camera
> > and
> > >that he is ONLY judging cameras based on what he is
> > >looking for in a camera... 
> > >  
> > >
> > Yes it is an opinion site.  That becomes obvious
> > when you read it. 
> > 
> > >If you read his pages... based on what he is
> > looking
> > >for, the Pentax istDs does not cut it.
> > >  
> > >
> > 
> > That's not his recommendation.  He doesn't dismisses
> > it just for 
> > himself, he dismisses it for everyone. 
> > Even if they are just starting out and don't have a
> > large investment in 
> > other manufactures lenses. 
> > Even if I didn't own a bunch of Pentax lenses the
> > *ist-Ds would be 
> > viable competition for the
> > Rebel-D and the D70 which don't really cut it by his
> > criteria either.  
> > (Ok, the Nikon cut it because
> > it says Nikon on the prism housing, but then he had
> > to ignore a lot of 
> > other things).
> > 
> > >
> > >FYI .. he gave the istD a favorable review when it
> > was
> > >introduced, and personally uses Pentax spot meters.
> > 
> > >Hard to say he is anti pentax.
> > >  
> > >
> > I don't think anyone said he was anti Pentax.  I
> > believe the consensus 
> > was that he was
> > in my words an opinionated idiot, but I'm just being
> > judgmental, kind of 
> > like he is.
> > 
> > >=
> > >Jamie Walling
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >   
> > >__ 
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> > >Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage
> > less. 
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> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
> > During a war you get to drive tanks through the
> > sides of buildings 
> > and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually
> > frowned on during peacetime.
> > --P.J. O'Rourke
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> =
> Jamie Walling
> 
> 
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MUST SEE: A dream come true (Definitely ON topic!)

[Andy Chang]

Yesterday Jan 28th 2005
Something extra-ordinary happened...
I saw something I dreamt of for ages...
I touched it... I hold it... I played with it...
I could hardly sleep last night...
This may be once in a life time!
But I hope I can see more of it soon...

Please click the link below to see what
http://www.flickr.com/photos/yschang/sets/98438/

Enjoy!

Andy

Re: Ken Rockwell's review of the istDs ...

[Rob Studdert]

On 28 Jan 2005 at 19:25, Jamie Walling wrote:

> His site is opinion, it is editorial.  Get over it.

We are over it, what's your problem?


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: Ken Rockwell's review of the istDs ...

[Jamie Walling]

It's amazing you call him dishonest for expressing his
opinion.  Please search his article and find one
factual error.  And I mean a factual error, and not a
point where you disagree with his opinion.

His site is opinion, it is editorial.  Get over it.

And I do read leica lists all the time because I love
Leica's but try posting anything anti-leica.


--- "Peter J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Jamie Walling wrote:
> 
> >WOW.  It's amazing how defensive this list gets.
> For a
> >moment i almost thought I was on a Leica list.
> >  
> >
> You obviously don't hang out on the Leica list much.
> 
> >It's also amazing how much people here slam Ken
> >Rockwell about not including facts, and then they
> >  
> >
> We're not an authority publishing a supposedly hands
> on review.  He 
> reviewed a camera
> apparently a number of cameras authoritatively
> without ever having seen 
> them.  That's like
> doing anatomical drawings of an elephant after
> hearing rumors of such a 
> beast.  Totally
> dishonest.
> 
> >themselves do not tell the facts.  Some general
> info
> >on Ken's site and this review in general (BTW ... I
> do
> >not know him at all, but have read his site for
> years
> >since I used to use Nikon MF and he has one of the
> >better lens sections on the web)
> >  
> >
> For Nikon maybe.  If he wrote a glowing review of a
> Nikon product, would I
> believe that either.  Probably not.
> 
> >He wrote this review BEFORE anyone had access to
> the
> >istDs.  It is a preview, not a review.  He even
> said
> >his opinion might change if he uses one.
> >  
> >
> He slammed it in a preview.  He slammed Canon
> cameras in previews.  _I 
> don't care._
> The most you can do in a preview is list features
> and give a first 
> impression.  He went
> a lot farther than that and regularly does so.  It
> wasn't billed as a 
> preview by the way,
> he bills it as a test review, and I quote:
> 
> "**Pentax *ist DS *istDS Test Review"**
> 
> He should get a new headline writer.
> Disclaimers on another page don't cut it either.
> 
> By the way he now has a disclaimer on the main page
> for this "review" 
> due to the "hate" mail
> he's received.  It wasn't there before. 
> 
> >His site is an opinion site, and he goes out of his
> >way to make that perfectly clear.  He also makes it
> >perfectly clear what he is looking for in a camera
> and
> >that he is ONLY judging cameras based on what he is
> >looking for in a camera... 
> >  
> >
> Yes it is an opinion site.  That becomes obvious
> when you read it. 
> 
> >If you read his pages... based on what he is
> looking
> >for, the Pentax istDs does not cut it.
> >  
> >
> 
> That's not his recommendation.  He doesn't dismisses
> it just for 
> himself, he dismisses it for everyone. 
> Even if they are just starting out and don't have a
> large investment in 
> other manufactures lenses. 
> Even if I didn't own a bunch of Pentax lenses the
> *ist-Ds would be 
> viable competition for the
> Rebel-D and the D70 which don't really cut it by his
> criteria either.  
> (Ok, the Nikon cut it because
> it says Nikon on the prism housing, but then he had
> to ignore a lot of 
> other things).
> 
> >
> >FYI .. he gave the istD a favorable review when it
> was
> >introduced, and personally uses Pentax spot meters.
> 
> >Hard to say he is anti pentax.
> >  
> >
> I don't think anyone said he was anti Pentax.  I
> believe the consensus 
> was that he was
> in my words an opinionated idiot, but I'm just being
> judgmental, kind of 
> like he is.
> 
> >=
> >Jamie Walling
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >__ 
> >Do you Yahoo!? 
> >Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage
> less. 
> >http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> -- 
> I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
> During a war you get to drive tanks through the
> sides of buildings 
> and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually
> frowned on during peacetime.
>   --P.J. O'Rourke
> 
> 


=
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Re: PAW: Alien Invaders Revisited

[Butch Black]

Major improvement. Very nice shot Paul
Butch

Re: really OT: anagram site

[Mark Roberts]

Gonz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I put Frank Theriault in and got:
>
>http://www.wordsmith.org/anagram/anagram.cgi?anagram=frank+theriault
>
>My favorites:
>
>THE FRANK RITUAL

This is brilliant! 

>URINAL ARK THEFT
>
>This could be a pug theme.  I can envision a ritual comprising a tribe 
>of Frank look-alikes dancing around a fire with urinals over their 
>heads.  

Now *there* a mental image...

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com

Re: FS Friday: FA primes (28 & 50mm), F 70-210 zoom

[Steve Pearson]

Hi Joe,

I assume you sold the SMC-F 70-210mm f/4-5.6 lens?  If
not, I would be interested.

Thanks,

Steve

--- Joe Wilensky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Still available for sale (prices reduced):
> 
> SMC-FA 28mm f/2.8, LN- condition. Includes caps,
> original 
> box/packaging, and I'll throw in the proper Pentax
> soft lens case. 
> $140.
> 
> SMC-FA 50mm f/1.4, EX+ condition. Includes caps, and
> I'll include a 
> proper fitting Pentax soft lens case. $135.
> 
> SMC-F 70-210mm f/4-5.6, bargain condition.
> Heavy-duty and well-made 
> body shows some wear on sharp edges, but glass is
> beautiful. Includes 
> caps and I'll add the proper Pentax rubber lens
> hood, which is 
> partially collapsible. $90.
> 
> Joe
> -- 
> 
> Joe Wilensky
> Acting Editor, Cornell Chronicle
> Cornell News Service
> 324 Judd Falls Road
> Ithaca, NY 14853
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> (607) 255-3630 phone/voice mail
> (607) 255-5373 fax
> Old extension at Comstock Hall: (607) 255-1575
> 
> http://www.news.cornell.edu/Chronicle.html
> 
> 





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Way OT: As the world turns

[pnstenquist]

I'm watching the Barrett-Jackson auto auction on Speed Channel. A 1970 Plymouth 
Hemi Cuda sold for $250,000. A 1985 Lamborghini Countach went for $70,000. The 
Plymouth was about $3000 new. The Lamborghini was more than $100,000. As the 
world turns.

Re: Arca-Swiss app notes

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

People use safety stops? ]'-)

Godfrey



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Re: Fwd: OT: Revamped site

[Leon Altoff]

On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:31:35 -0500, frank theriault wrote:

>My sister, her husband and I have a little site.  I don't know if any
>of you recall what used to be there, but it's recently been revamped
>using new software (Dreamweaver, I believe) that my sister got and
>learned to use:
>
>http://urbancaravan.com/
>
>Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated.  Thanks.

I have a pet hate for text done as pictures.  It never looks right. 
It's much easier to simply define the font, particularly if you want to
make changes.

All the pages are "Untitled"  This is what is saved when you save a
favorite so if you want people to come back easily it's best to give it
a good title.

There is also a lack of navigation on the picture pages.  You can only
go to the gallery, no next/previous picture, home or anything else.

There are 2 index pages.  One with an upper case "I" one with lower
case.  Both are slightly different.  I prefer the upper case I page,
but the mouseover on the side menu has the writing the same colour as
the background.

I feel there is too much blank space at the bottom of the pages.

Someone talked about more "POW" or "WOW Factor".  The idea of the page
is to show off images and have people hopefully buy them.  So you need
a site that is easy to navigate, is pleasant to look at and shows the
images off at their best.  If you add music, someone will hate it and
leave.  If you have fancy mouse pointers they will annoy people.  If
you put too much pizazz people will look at the web design and ignore
the pictures.  

I think it needs a bit of polishing, but is a good start (particularly
the uppercase I design).

Just my thoughts.


 Leon

http://www.bluering.org.au
http://www.bluering.org.au/leon

Re: A Girl and Her Horse

[Cotty]

On 28/1/05, Bruce Dayton, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Not being a horse type I'm not going to go 'aaahhh', however I
>will say that those are a nice set of shots for the girl.  I bet she
>loved 'em.  Very nice job there, Mr. Cottrel!

Thanks Bruce. She's an angel. Daughter if some close friends.

Also seen here:






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Re: A Girl and Her Horse

[Cotty]

On 28/1/05, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Very nice. The third one down is a classic. Beautiful light on that one  
>and the first one. Good work young fellow :-)

Thanks mate - for calling me young!




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Re: A Girl and Her Horse

[Bruce Dayton]

Hello Cotty,

Not being a horse type I'm not going to go 'aaahhh', however I
will say that those are a nice set of shots for the girl.  I bet she
loved 'em.  Very nice job there, Mr. Cottrel!

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Friday, January 28, 2005, 4:10:02 PM, you wrote:

C> Horsey types will go 'aahhh'...

C> 




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Re: really OT: anagram site

[Ryan Lee]

One I remember is Clint Eastwood becomes Old West Action. Coincidence?

Cheers,
Ryan

 
- Original Message - 
From: "Gonz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 3:10 AM
Subject: really OT: anagram site


> I put Frank Theriault in and got:
> 
> http://www.wordsmith.org/anagram/anagram.cgi?anagram=frank+theriault
> 
> My favorites:
> 
> THE FRANK RITUAL
> URINAL ARK THEFT
> 
> This could be a pug theme.  I can envision a ritual comprising a tribe 
> of Frank look-alikes dancing around a fire with urinals over their 
> heads.  
> 
> rg
> 

Re: Arca-Swiss app notes

[Kenneth Waller]

>   2. Kirk plates don't appear to have safety stops.
>  I'm off to see a machinist friend about drilling
>  and tapping an appropriate hole.

IIRC, the stops are avaialble from Kirk upon request

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message - 
From: "Stephen Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Pentax List" 
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 9:41 AM
Subject: Arca-Swiss app notes


> 
> Here's something you LXers might find useful:
> 
> About a year ago I caught the Arca-Swiss QR virus,
> and had been looking for an appropriate camera body
> plate for my Winder LX. Really Right Stuff's
> recommended (and generic) B21 plate works very nicely
> with the LX body alone. It also fits the winder, but
> the problem with the winder is the pronounced
> leftwards offset of the tripod socket. RRS's recom-
> mendation, their B9, does not address the offset
> problem and also does not have a safety stop.
> 
> RRS B21 & B9:
> http://www.reallyrightstuff.com/body_plates/pentax/index.html
> 
> Strictly on spec, I just bought Kirk's PZ-21 plate
> for the Nikon F3 with motor drive MD4. Fits just fine
> on the LX winder, just missing that small longitudinal
> bump. It lets you center the camera over the ball head
> the way it's supposed to be for best weight transfer.
> 
> Kirk PZ-21:
> http://www.kirkphoto.com/newplate1p.html
> 
> Down sides are two in number:
>   1. The plate covers up the battery holder release
>  button - but that's why 
>  created Allen wrenches. Besides, I've never had
>  to change winder batteries in the field.
>   2. Kirk plates don't appear to have safety stops.
>  I'm off to see a machinist friend about drilling
>  and tapping an appropriate hole.
> 
> 
> Hope this helps someone,
> Stephen Moore
> 
> 

Re: really OT: anagram site

[Doug Franklin]

On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 19:32:34 -0500, Peter J. Alling wrote:

> You poor man.
> 
> Doug Franklin wrote:
> >
> >Well, I don't know where they're getting lost for the rest of you, but
> >I'm getting nearly 100%.

I had the same thought as I pressed the "Send" button. :-)

TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ

Re: really OT: anagram site

[Peter J. Alling]

You poor man.
Doug Franklin wrote:
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:24:12 -0600, Gonz wrote:
 

Messages are being lost at a high rate.  I got the response, but not the 
original again.
   

Well, I don't know where they're getting lost for the rest of you, but
I'm getting nearly 100%.
TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ

 


--
I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke

Re: A Girl and Her Horse

[Paul Stenquist]

Very nice. The third one down is a classic. Beautiful light on that one  
and the first one. Good work young fellow :-)
Paul
On Jan 28, 2005, at 7:10 PM, Cotty wrote:

Horsey types will go 'aahhh'...



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Re: Scanning woes...

[Gianfranco Irlanda]

Jostein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >   What more, I got these weird black speckles in the
luminance
> >   channel, leaving me dumbfounded. Please see
> >   http://3web.dkm.cz/fotof/temp/lumaspeckles.jpg
> 
> Hi Frantisek,
> 
> If it's any comfort to you, it's not a problem limited to the
Nikon 
> scanners. My results with a Minolta Dimâge scan dual and an
Epson 
> 1640SU are just the same.

That resembles my experience. I had the same results with lab
scans of 6x7 slides some time ago (dunno what kind of scanner
they had, though). Not extremely annoying but annoying...

Gianfranco


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Re: PAW: Alien Invaders Revisited

[Gianfranco Irlanda]

Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Here's the new version:
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3073939&size=lg
> Here's the previous verion:
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3071562&size=lg

Now it's fine.
Great picture, Paul.

Ciao,

Gianfranco

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A Girl and Her Horse

[Cotty]

Horsey types will go 'aahhh'...






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Re: PAW: Alien Invaders Revisited

[Gonz]

Much better Paul.  No obvious banding this time.  Nice pic.
rg
Paul Stenquist wrote:
Thanks to all who mentioned the banding in the background of this pic. I 
went back to the RAW file and reworked it with a moderate amount of 
saturation and contrast increase. However, I altered the temperature and 
tint to make it more pleasing. It's  probably closer to what I saw at 
the time I took the shot.  It was only a small change on the slider, but 
the result is quite different. I did the original conversion almost a 
year ago. This rework made me realize how much I've learned about the PS 
CS converter in the time since.BTW I just finished a great book "Camera 
Raw with Adobe Photoshop CS by Bruce Fraser." A great read for anyone 
who is trying to upgrade digital darkroom skills.

Here's the new version:
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3073939&size=lg
Here's the previous verion:
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3071562&size=lg

Re: Scanning woes...

[Herb Chong]

it looks like a problem that happens on some high resolution scanners. if it 
is this problem, it's caused by slight bubbles in the emulsion during 
manufacturing of the film. the only way to be sure is to look at that 
portion of the film under a microscope. a 20X loupe isn't powerful enough. 
you need at least 40X and preferably 80X or so.

Herb
- Original Message - 
From: "Frantisek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "PDML" 
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 10:55 AM
Subject: Scanning woes...


  What more, I got these weird black speckles in the luminance
  channel, leaving me dumbfounded. Please see
  http://3web.dkm.cz/members/fotof/temp/lumaspeckles.tif for 100%
  4000dpi sample (L channel only). USM does accentuate them a lot.
  Anybody knows what it might be? I always scan with any sharpening
  turned off. ICE on, and both GEM and ROC disabled (I found the GEM
  feature to hoover extremely).

Re: PAW: Alien Invaders Revisited

[Juan Buhler]

Much better, Paul.

I like it even more now.

j



On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:31:53 -0500, Paul Stenquist
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks to all who mentioned the banding in the background of this pic.
> I went back to the RAW file and reworked it with a moderate amount of
> saturation and contrast increase. However, I altered the temperature
> and tint to make it more pleasing. It's  probably closer to what I saw
> at the time I took the shot.  It was only a small change on the slider,
> but the result is quite different. I did the original conversion almost
> a year ago. This rework made me realize how much I've learned about the
> PS CS converter in the time since.BTW I just finished a great book
> "Camera Raw with Adobe Photoshop CS by Bruce Fraser." A great read for
> anyone who is trying to upgrade digital darkroom skills.
> 
> Here's the new version:
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3073939&size=lg
> Here's the previous verion:
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3071562&size=lg
> 
> 


-- 
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http://www.jbuhler.com
blog at http://www.jbuhler.com/blog

FS Friday

[Jim Colwell]

Here is some stuff that I'm selling on eBay.

3869422673 Pentax MZ-5N auto focus camera 
3869419794 Pentax MZ-7 auto focus camera, date back & IR Remote
3869424888 SMC Pentax-F 70-210/4-5.6 Zoom AL, Pentax-KAF
3869427959 Tamron-F 2X Teleconverter Pz-AF BBAR MC7, Pentax-KAF2

Jim(.xyz)
www.jcolwell.ca

PAW: Alien Invaders Revisited

[Paul Stenquist]

Thanks to all who mentioned the banding in the background of this pic. 
I went back to the RAW file and reworked it with a moderate amount of 
saturation and contrast increase. However, I altered the temperature 
and tint to make it more pleasing. It's  probably closer to what I saw 
at the time I took the shot.  It was only a small change on the slider, 
but the result is quite different. I did the original conversion almost 
a year ago. This rework made me realize how much I've learned about the 
PS CS converter in the time since.BTW I just finished a great book 
"Camera Raw with Adobe Photoshop CS by Bruce Fraser." A great read for 
anyone who is trying to upgrade digital darkroom skills.

Here's the new version:
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3073939&size=lg
Here's the previous verion:
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3071562&size=lg

RE: really OT: anagram site

[Don Sanderson]

That's interesting.
I never got the original, the response, or the response to the response!
This is the first I've heard of this thread.
Tried a search in the archives for "anagram site", nada.
Search for "really OT:", also nada.

Don

> -Original Message-
> From: Doug Franklin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 4:57 PM
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: really OT: anagram site
> 
> 
> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:24:12 -0600, Gonz wrote:
> 
> > Messages are being lost at a high rate.  I got the response, 
> but not the 
> > original again.
> 
> Well, I don't know where they're getting lost for the rest of you, but
> I'm getting nearly 100%.
> 
> TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
> 
> 

Re: Pentax v Sigma Ultrawides shootout

[Keith Whaley]

Love that Pentax SMC 15mm f/3.5.
Excellent lens!   Crisp!
keith whaley
Cotty wrote:
And here it is

 
Cheers,
  Cotty

Re: Barcelona (theme green)

[Keith Whaley]

Love it, Henk!
The little girl is in no WAY intimidated by this tall green personage!  
The looks on the kid's faces are precious!
Good shot!
keith whaley
Ryan Lee wrote:
Nice shot Henk- pity the littlest kid is slightly obscured, but still a nice
shot.
Cheers,
Ryan

- Original Message - 
From: "Henk Terhell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 6:48 PM
Subject: PESO: Barcelona (theme green)


Here is one of my pictures taken in January during a few days trip to
Barcelona (just didn't fit this month's gallery theme blue!). Of course
any comments are welcome.
http://www.dewindvanvoorne.nl/fotoalbum/People/slides/IMGP2143small2.html
Henk

Re: really OT: anagram site

[Jostein]

a spiced sin nuts ox
(from pentax discussion)
Jostein
- Original Message - 
From: "Peter J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: really OT: anagram site


Frank's finally been immortalized PDML style.  Completely OT.
Gonz wrote:
I put Frank Theriault in and got:
http://www.wordsmith.org/anagram/anagram.cgi?anagram=frank+theriault
My favorites:
THE FRANK RITUAL
URINAL ARK THEFT
This could be a pug theme.  I can envision a ritual comprising a 
tribe of Frank look-alikes dancing around a fire with urinals over 
their heads.  

rg


--
I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you 
get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot 
foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during 
peacetime.
--P.J. O'Rourke

Re: really OT: anagram site

[Doug Franklin]

On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:24:12 -0600, Gonz wrote:

> Messages are being lost at a high rate.  I got the response, but not the 
> original again.

Well, I don't know where they're getting lost for the rest of you, but
I'm getting nearly 100%.

TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ

Re: Ken Rockwell's review of the istDs ...

[Gonz]

Bingo.
William Robb wrote:
- Original Message - From: "Jamie Walling"
Subject: Re: Ken Rockwell's review of the istDs ...

granted that you are comparing him to a BAD journalist
;)
Again his site is an opinion site.  Everyone is
entitled to an opinion.  Dont take offense that his is
different that your own.

I take offense with people who fraudulently set themselves up as self 
styled experts, and then go about trying to influence people.
A person who calls a hands off review of a product a test is, in my own 
humble opinion, a fraud.

William Robb

Re: Pentax v Sigma Ultrawides shootout

[Cotty]

And here it is





Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: Barcelona (theme green)

[Ryan Lee]

Nice shot Henk- pity the littlest kid is slightly obscured, but still a nice
shot.

Cheers,
Ryan


- Original Message - 
From: "Henk Terhell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 6:48 PM
Subject: PESO: Barcelona (theme green)


> Here is one of my pictures taken in January during a few days trip to
> Barcelona (just didn't fit this month's gallery theme blue!). Of course
> any comments are welcome.
>
> http://www.dewindvanvoorne.nl/fotoalbum/People/slides/IMGP2143small2.htm
> l
>
> Henk
>
>

RE: Photos of Pentax *ist Ds with 67 f/5.6 500mm and others

[Pedro Oliveira]

You don't rewind the film.
There are two options:
1 - you can use an empty film cassette that receives the exposed film
and at the end you cut the film (watch out for the last one or two
photos). 
2 - Or you don't use the cassette, only the interior and at the end you
use a changing bag to rewind manually the film.
I use this second option as I don't want the film to pass 4 times
through the 35mm cassette tissue. This way the film only passes 2 times
through the tissue, the same as 35mm cameras, X-Pan and Mamiya 7 (great
camera).
For some this can be a disadvantage but, for my type of photography, it
isn't. That is why I have a second 6x7 body for the X-Pan kit.

Pedro Oliveira
Portugal 

-Mensagem original-
De: Rob Studdert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Enviada: sexta-feira, 28 de Janeiro de 2005 22:48
Para: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Assunto: RE: Photos of Pentax *ist Ds with 67 f/5.6 500mm and others

On 28 Jan 2005 at 21:38, Pedro Oliveira wrote:

> Hi Dave.
> 
> I bought the Fotodiox (http://www.fotodiox.com) kit here:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3860687820
> 
> With this kit you use 35mm film in a Pentax 6x7, 67 or 67II body. You
> make 18 pictures out of a 36 exp. 35mm film (you use the 220 film
> selector and pressure plate). That's the big advantage. If your
> intention is to make 24x66mm panoramic photos, you don't waste 120/220
> film.

So how do you rewind the 35mm film? The 35mm adaptor for my Mamiya 7
body 
includes a rewind crank.


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: Ken Rockwell's review of the istDs ...

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Roberts"
Subject: Re: Ken Rockwell's review of the istDs ...


William, I wish you'd stop sugar-coating this stuff and just tell 
us
what you really think...
This is a family oriented list.
William Robb 

Re: Ken Rockwell's review of the istDs ...

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Jamie Walling"
Subject: Re: Ken Rockwell's review of the istDs ...


granted that you are comparing him to a BAD journalist
;)
Again his site is an opinion site.  Everyone is
entitled to an opinion.  Dont take offense that his is
different that your own.
I take offense with people who fraudulently set themselves up as self 
styled experts, and then go about trying to influence people.
A person who calls a hands off review of a product a test is, in my 
own humble opinion, a fraud.

William Robb 

Re: Ken Rockwell's review of the istDs ...

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Jamie Walling" 
Subject: Re: Ken Rockwell's review of the istDs ...


wow now you are comparing him to a journalist.  I thin
he would be inpressed since he does not consider
himself one.
You must be his wife if you read that into my comment.
William Robb

Re: Is Perntax the only one?

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Jamie Walling"
Subject: Re: Is Perntax the only one?


As far as manual focus goes Nikon only has ever had
two mounts.  F mount and pre-F mount (i am not sure
exact dates but we are talking early 70's here.. ).
All F mount lenses will mount on all F mount cameras,
period. Until Nikon introduced the N80, D100, D70
about two years ago all F mount lenses could mount on
newer cameras and give you AP and manual metered
modes.  The only reason people are pissed at Nikon
about lens mount compatability are the D100 and D70
i.e. no cheap Nikon DSLR that can use their old lenses
(their pro bodies still have the aperature coupling).
You might want to consult with a fact checker on this one.
There have been a myriad of incompatibilities with the F mount (which 
was introduced in 1959 IIRC), including lenses which couldn't be 
mounted at all and cameras that wouldn't work with the wrong series 
of lens.
Your concept of recent might differ from mine.

William Robb 

RE: Photos of Pentax *ist Ds with 67 f/5.6 500mm and others

[Rob Studdert]

On 28 Jan 2005 at 21:38, Pedro Oliveira wrote:

> Hi Dave.
> 
> I bought the Fotodiox (http://www.fotodiox.com) kit here:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3860687820
> 
> With this kit you use 35mm film in a Pentax 6x7, 67 or 67II body. You
> make 18 pictures out of a 36 exp. 35mm film (you use the 220 film
> selector and pressure plate). That's the big advantage. If your
> intention is to make 24x66mm panoramic photos, you don't waste 120/220
> film.

So how do you rewind the 35mm film? The 35mm adaptor for my Mamiya 7 body 
includes a rewind crank.


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: PESO - Mr. Sun

[Tom C]

Thanks Juan.  I'll take interesting. :)
Funny how subjective tastes are, or maybe it's because I experienced the 
excitement of seeing the image before taking the shot.

My wife molds things out of concrete.  This was a gold foiled plastic party 
wall ornament, about 16" diameter.  The inside of the mold had been oiled, 
so the concrete would not stick.  The concrete was rewet to help it cure and 
the form placed back on top.  The water pooled up in droplets on the inside 
of the form.  The shot was taken with on-camera flash to get some 
reflections back from the  gold foil and water.

I an hoping to blow it up very large, around 36" and have it printed on 
canvas.

Tom C.

From: Juan Buhler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: PESO - Mr. Sun
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 00:12:21 -0800
Because of the face, I was initially tempted to say it's a coin (some
Argentine coins had a sun just like that, the "Sol de Mayo" (the sun
of May--May being the month of our revolution for independence). But I
think the scale is bigger than that.
Interesting image...
j
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:17:22 -0700, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've had this photo for a while and have some ideas for it.  Try and 
guess
> exactly what it is.
>
> Comments, critiques, etc., are appreciated.  Thanks.
>
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/presentation.tcl?presentation_id=275262
>
> Tom C.
>
>

--
Juan Buhler
http://www.jbuhler.com
blog at http://www.jbuhler.com/blog

RE: Photos of Pentax *ist Ds with 67 f/5.6 500mm and others

[Pedro Oliveira]

Hi Dave.

I bought the Fotodiox (http://www.fotodiox.com) kit here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3860687820

With this kit you use 35mm film in a Pentax 6x7, 67 or 67II body. You
make 18 pictures out of a 36 exp. 35mm film (you use the 220 film
selector and pressure plate). That's the big advantage. If your
intention is to make 24x66mm panoramic photos, you don't waste 120/220
film.

With the kit you get also a panoramic viewfinder mask that disciplines
the composition. You have a complete new approach to the subject with
this mask, different than with simple lines (like the Z1P/PZ1P). And it
is inexpensive (USD 98,00).

Right now, Fotodiox is not selling this item on ebay but you can contact
them via e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I bought a second 6x7 (very early Mk I, non-MLU) body just to have the
kit permanently on. This is my "Hasselblad"...

Hope this helps, Dave.

Pedro Oliveira
Portugal


-Mensagem original-
De: David Mann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Enviada: sexta-feira, 28 de Janeiro de 2005 8:10
Para: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Assunto: Re: Photos of Pentax *ist Ds with 67 f/5.6 500mm and others

On Jan 28, 2005, at 10:42 AM, Pedro Oliveira wrote:

> I recently bought a X-Pan panoramic kit for the Pentax 67.

Where do you get these?

I ask more out of curiosity now, because I'm now able to do a high-res 
scan of the centre of a 6x7 slide, so all I need to do is make a 
composition guide for the viewfinder (I'll just draw some lines on a 
piece of mylar).

- Dave

http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/

Re: McCullin speaks

[Bob W]

Hi,

> I haven't listened to this, but I'll agree about the "aspiring war
> photographer wondering about baggage" remark based on Don McCullin's comments
> (and demeanour) in the film "Dying to tell the Story". (Someone else in this
> thread mentioned McCullin being "sad" and that, too, was quite apparent in
> that film.)
> Interesting film -- I've watched it several times -- but a lot of sadness
> there, not only from McCullin.

Have you any idea where I could get a copy of that documentary,
please? No hits from amazon.com or .co.uk.

I've seen several documentaries and films about DM, I've heard him
speak a couple of times, and I 'accosted' him in the street once and
we chatted for quite a long time. He's not as lugubrious in real life
as he seems on film. In fact, he struck me as a very warm-hearted,
friendly person, and witty. He was very kind to talk to me for such a
long time, and seemed genuinely interested (except when I gushed with
admiration, when he became very shy and modest).

-- 
Cheers,
 Bob

FS Friday

[Butch Black]

Hi Guys
I have a couple things for sale.
1.Sunpak 622 super flash
   This is their big potato masher flash
   there is a slight scorch mark on the lens that does not affect
   light output or quality and it is missing the little bracket on the
   bottom that braces the battery compartment.
   $100
2. A set of Pentax non-coupled extension tubes
   $40
$5.00 ea shipping in US other countries at cost. M.O. unless I know you well 
then check OK.

I can take and e-mail photos if you want.
Butch 

Re: KEH Q

[Andre Langevin]

Is it just me or does KEH not have ANY Autofocus primes anymore?
That seems bad.
CW
They don't have any right now, although never have lots of them.
Also noticed that the four 24-35mm they had before Christmas are gone.
Andre

Re: Is Perntax the only one?

[Andre Langevin]

I consider being able to use manual focus lenses with the istd (s) an
outstanding benefit to owning Pentax and an excellent reason to buy 
a digital SLR.
Being able to (almost) seamlessly use 20+ year old lenses on the latest
technology puts Pentax, IMHO, way ahead of the rest...
Vic
Permanently fix K-mount adapters on your preferred M42 lenses and you 
go back another 30 years...

What I call respect, others, from another point of view, would call 
it bad marketing!  Pentax, the most ecological camera business?

Andre

Re: Pentax v Sigma Ultrawides shootout

[Tim Sherburne]

Alright, your ten hours are up. Let's see some pics! :)

Tim

On 1/27/05 17:07, Cotty wrote:

> At the weekend (yes, *last* weekend) I managed to get out and do some
> flare tests with the Pentax K15mm 3.5 and the Sigma EX 14mm 2.8 - I've
> been processing the pics this evening and the results are interesting.
> But it's gone 1 am here and the web page will have to wait til tomorrow.
> 
> More in 10 hours.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Cotty
> 
> 
> ___/\__
> ||   (O)   | People, Places, Pastiche
> ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com
> _
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: Scanning woes...

[Frantisek]

J> If it's any comfort to you, it's not a problem limited to the Nikon
J> scanners. My results with a Minolta Dimâge scan dual and an Epson 
J> 1640SU are just the same.

J> Dunno if it's chemstry or dust, but it's so close to film grain size
J> that it doesn't really matter. I have never found any better way do
J> deal with it than dust&scratches or manual cloning of critical areas.

Thanks :-)

I usually don't take comfort in problems of others , but you have
comforted me that it is probably unavoidable.

Not only is scanning slow, but one has to now run NeatImage or some
other program to get it right :-(

Good light!
   fra

Re: Ruminations... (resend)

[wendy beard]

 --- Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> 
> Ok ok, sell the lot and get a 1D. You won't regret
> it.
> 
> 
> Cheers,
>   Cotty
> 

The guy's a mind-reader. Or am I just so transparent


The thought is there in my mind. Truth is, the 20D is
a pretty amazing camera for the price. Just thinking
how many of those I can buy for the same money as a
1DMK2

Still trying to decide which would serve me better.
One of those or an Epson 4000.

Re: which camera is to go.
Some good arguments. I haven't used the MZ-S since
October, when I ran just one roll through it. Why keep
it?
otoh, there will be another Pentax dlsr along, there
won't be another MZ-S
So I decided in a totally random fashion that the
*istD should go while it's still worth something.

Then hubby had to throw in hs two penn'oth.

Told me I could sell his MZ-5n and he'd keep the
*istD.

So - Minty MZ-5n with battery grip, manuals and boxes
anyone?

Wendy

Re: (diverging OT) Re: Is Perntax the only one?

[mike wilson]

D. Glenn Arthur Jr. wrote:
I can't be the only one who keeps reading this subject line
as having to do with levies to pay for dragon-chow ... can I?
Guilty.  8-)

flash units - *istDS

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I have a Sunpak 383 flash unit which I've been using
successfully on several cameras for a bit, but I am considering
acquiring a Pentax dedicated flash unit as well to obtain use of
P-TTL, second curtain sync, etc. 

Looking through the DS manual, it looks like the Pentax AF360FGZ
supports all the functions of the DS the best, but it doesn't
have the swivel head of the Pentax AF500FTZ unit, which is $100
more. I've also heard good commentary on the Sigma EF-500 DG
Super unit, which sells for the same price as the AF360FGZ but
has the swivel head and and power of the AF500FTZ unit. 

a) Does the Sigma support *all* the dedicated functions of the
*istDS body? including rear curtain sync?

b) What's the reliability and build quality of the Sigma flash
unit been like? 

Thanks for any comments and insight!

Godfrey



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Re: ken rockwell reviews *ist DS (blind)

[mike wilson]

Mark Roberts wrote:
Juan Buhler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

That site is so misguided and full of itself that it's not even funny.

I've just scanned through the site a bit more. Here's a great quote from
his generally unfavorable report on the Canon 1Ds: "Like most things
from Canon I'll presume it works great. I have not played with one."
I wanted to find some way of sterilising my monitor after visiting it.
I feel dirty.
But that's normal for Friday night.

Re: My first GFM question

[Norman Baugher]

Hey, someone has to hold down the fort
Norm
Cotty wrote:
On 27/1/05, Bill Owens, discombobulated, unleashed:
 

You are correct, but the $85.00 is very inexpensive considering all it 
includes
   

Bill's right - pay the 85 and enjoy it - the auditorium shows are really
nice, and if you decide not to attend one or two (ahem) then that's cool.
Norm and Gw will join you at Central for a drink ;-)
 

Re: GFM?

[Norman Baugher]

I'm planning on itmight show up at Cotty's house though instead. HAR!
Norm
(looking for a van to sleep in)
Cotty wrote:
On 26/1/05, Bill Owens, discombobulated, unleashed:
 

How many of you folks are planning on attending this year?
   

Sadly impossible for me. Moving house.
2006 is a certainty though !
 

Re: PESO: London

[Juan Buhler]

Thanks Butch.

Actually I had the same feelings when I shot the picture. I saw them
from about 30 meters, and shot a few frames as I was walking towards
them. They kept the same position and expressions, which was strange.
They disengaged a moment later and went in different ways, so I didn't
think much of it afterwards.

j


On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 11:27:03 -0500, Butch Black
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I found it a very interesting shot and a bit disturbing as I can't get a
> handle on what was going on between the couple. Their close proximity
> suggests familiarity but the body language does not suggest that they are
> about to kiss. That then brings questions about the hand  on her face and
> her very upright posture with hands to her sides. Add that all this is
> happening in a public place. It makes me think there is a lot more going on
> between them. If the mark of a good photograph is one that makes you stop
> and think, then this is one good photograph.
> 
> Butch
> 
> 


-- 
Juan Buhler
http://www.jbuhler.com
blog at http://www.jbuhler.com/blog

6x7 Foam Replacement

[Tim Sherburne]

Hello all...

I've had my 6x7 for a few days now, and closer inspection reveals some
questions about the foam on the body. Here's a few pictures:



The foam around the back door and the pentaprism definitely need to be
replaced, but the mirror bumper I'm not sure about. So, a few questions:

Should the mirror light seal extend across the full width of the mirror
housing? The tiny piece that's there appears to be in good condition.

What is the thickness of the original foam on the penta prism?

How about the thickness of the foam around the back door?

It looks like micro-tools.com is the best place to get this stuff.

Tim

RE: MZ-S Small-down

[Andy Chang]

Jeesh Mark... I wish I have a 43 to swap with your 35/2
If you wanna sell it, give me a shout... 

Cheers
Andy

-Original Message-
From: Lindamood, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 1:41 AM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: MZ-S Small-down

Okay, here's my little dilemma.  I want to small-up/simple-down for
portability, which includes getting a hand strap (not a grip strap) for
my MZ-S and swapping my FA 35mm f2.0 lens for the 43mm limited.  I wish
like heck that the new DA 40mm would work on the MZ-S but apparently
it's not gonna.  So . . . any advice, or willing swappers, understanding
that the 43 would require a little boot from my side?

Re: McCullin speaks

[mike wilson]

Bob W wrote:
Hi,
Don McCullin was on the radio at lunchtime today, talking about
his life and his landscape photographs. The programme is repeated on
Saturday:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/factual/opencountry.shtml
It's here as a Real Audio file:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/progs/listenagain.shtml
Look for Open Book.
Disclosure: I haven't checked the RA file because I don't have the
player on my machine, and don't want it.
Looks like the original was on last Saturday and you caught the repeat 8-(((

Re: Travelling *istD/DS

[Graywolf]

I have just tried to find the definition of "cleft stick" through a google 
search. Bob's definition seems only to be used by computer folk. Strange, it 
seemed to be a way of indicating that the corrior was a messager and was not to 
be attacked (warrior society). The more common "in a cleft stick" means caught 
between two bad choices.

So I have a feeling that the author's list of gear included a lot of bad choices 
(cleft sticks) rather than message sticks.

graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
---
Bob W wrote:
Hi,

several cleft sticks

OTOH, one's never really alone when one has one's towel

Very Douglas Adams.

What's a cleft stick?

messengers used to carry their messages wedged in a stick which was
partially split for the purpose.

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Re: really OT: anagram site

[Gonz]

Messages are being lost at a high rate.  I got the response, but not the 
original again.

rg
Peter J. Alling wrote:
Frank's finally been immortalized PDML style.  Completely OT.
Gonz wrote:
I put Frank Theriault in and got:
http://www.wordsmith.org/anagram/anagram.cgi?anagram=frank+theriault
My favorites:
THE FRANK RITUAL
URINAL ARK THEFT
This could be a pug theme.  I can envision a ritual comprising a tribe 
of Frank look-alikes dancing around a fire with urinals over their 
heads.  

rg

Re: Is Perntax the only one?

[Pentxuser]

I consider being able to use manual focus lenses with the istd (s) an 
outstanding benefit to owning Pentax and an excellent reason to buy a digital 
SLR. 
Being able to (almost) seamlessly use 20+ year old lenses on the latest 
technology puts Pentax, IMHO, way ahead of the rest...
Vic 

(diverging OT) Re: Is Perntax the only one?

[D. Glenn Arthur Jr.]

I can't be the only one who keeps reading this subject line
as having to do with levies to pay for dragon-chow ... can I?

-- Glenn

Re: KEH Q

[Graywolf]

They sell about as fast as they make them. The problem with the D is they 
weren't making them very fast (I kind of think they were on quotas from Sony for 
the sensor). The DS seems to have plenty of assembly line capacity however.

graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
---
Jens Bladt wrote:
Peter.
This is kind of good news isn't it?
Are the *ist D's and *ist DS's really selling that well?
Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Peter J. Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 28. januar 2005 00:47
Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Emne: Re: KEH Q
KEH seems to sell primarily used equipment.  The market for Pentax AF
primes has skyrocketed since the introduction of
the *ist-D and *ist-Ds.  A lenses are much harder to find as well as are
the more desirable FA and F zooms and the more or
less "Special" K and M lenses.  But the FA primes have become very scarce.
cbwaters wrote:

Is it just me or does KEH not have ANY Autofocus primes anymore?
That seems bad.
CW


--
I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war.
During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during
peacetime.
--P.J. O'Rourke




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Re: Is Perntax the only one?

[Graywolf]

The Nikon compatibility thing is a myth. When they first went to internal meters 
they just added a coupling fork to the existing lenses, and you could have one 
added to your old lens. That started the compatibility myth. When they went to 
Auto-Indexed lenses for program exposure your old lenses could not be made to 
work in auto mode. The latest lenses have no aperture ring and will not work on 
older cameras (and vis versa for the low-end cameras).

The old EPO pro service that made Nikon the preeminent photojournalist's camera 
has been gone for decades also, as least since Nikon took over the US marketing. 
Once someone learns something they think that never changes (especially with 
those who do not actually use the knowledge), but it does, it does.

graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
---
Peter Loveday wrote:
Unfortunately, Nikon dropped the aperture simulator on its all non-pro
bodies, including the cheaper DSLRs (D100,D70). So you can mount a
lens on D100 or D70 with an aperture ring, but you won't get any
metering. For that, you would have to buy the expensive pro DSLRs (D1
D2). Or hack the lens adding the chip with contacts, then it works.
There is not even a "green button" solution, so there Pentax is
better.

Hmm interesting.  Unfortunately this is impossible with pre-A pentax 
lenses due to the non-linear motion of the aperture lever.

I assume, then, that Nikon lenses have always operated the same way as 
far as this goes (be it linear or non-linear?

Love, Light and Peace,
- Peter Loveday
Director of Development, eyeon Software


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MZ-S Small-down

[Lindamood, Mark]

Okay, here's my little dilemma.  I want to small-up/simple-down for 
portability, which includes getting a hand strap (not a grip strap) for my MZ-S 
and swapping my FA 35mm f2.0 lens for the 43mm limited.  I wish like heck that 
the new DA 40mm would work on the MZ-S but apparently it's not gonna.  So . . . 
any advice, or willing swappers, understanding that the 43 would require a 
little boot from my side?

FS: SFXn camera, 28-80 SMC-F lens, case, manual

[Joe Wilensky]

For sale:
Pentax SFXn, EX+ condition. (Same exact camera as the SF1n). Includes 
the SMC-F 28-80mm f/3.5-4.5 zoom -- not the "Pentax-F" or "Takumar-F" 
cheaper zooms that often came with the SF bodies.

Camera is in perfect working condition -- definitely a low-mileage 
body with minimal signs of use anywhere. Lens is in EX- condition and 
has a small mark (very small scratch or mark in the coating) near an 
edge on the front element which is not visible in the photos and 
should not affect pictures (it hasn't in the photos I have taken with 
it so far).

Camera kit includes eyecup cover, hot shoe cover, cable release 
cover, along with everready case, strap and instruction manual. Also 
includes original manual (for the SF1n, but camera is functionally 
exactly the same). A nearly-new battery (2CR5) is included as well.

Price: $150 for the kit.
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Re: really OT: anagram site

[Peter J. Alling]

Frank's finally been immortalized PDML style.  Completely OT.
Gonz wrote:
I put Frank Theriault in and got:
http://www.wordsmith.org/anagram/anagram.cgi?anagram=frank+theriault
My favorites:
THE FRANK RITUAL
URINAL ARK THEFT
This could be a pug theme.  I can envision a ritual comprising a tribe 
of Frank look-alikes dancing around a fire with urinals over their 
heads.  

rg


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I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke

Re: Is Pentax the only one?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

--- Jamie Walling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Yes Nikon digital does not work with their MF lenses
> unless you add a chip to the lens (not factory
> supported by the way).  It was actually that reason
> that sent me to get a 10D a year ago. ... 
> 
> Honestly the only reason I am considering Pentax
> DSLR's is their use with MF lens.

Similar for me, although it was just one of the reasons I sold
off all my Nikon equipment in 2000-2001. I just didn't like the
design of most of the modern Nikon bodies any more, as well as
felt disenfranchised that they wouldn't allow any metering at
all with my excellent old AI-S series lenses. 

Canon was my best alternative in 2001 as their EOS-IX body
allowed full access to the EOS lens line and the film format was
very close to the upcoming digital bodies' format. That let me
become very comfortable with the 16x24mm format and which lenses
worked for me, the move to the 10D was then smooth and easy.

I became interested in the DS to get back the compact, light
camera body and access to a range of high quality, compact,
manual focus lenses ... similar to what I'd enjoyed working with
using the Nikon FM for 20+ years. 

Godfrey





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Re: Scanning woes...

[Jostein]

- Original Message - 
From: "Frantisek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  What more, I got these weird black speckles in the luminance
  channel, leaving me dumbfounded. Please see
  http://3web.dkm.cz/fotof/temp/lumaspeckles.jpg
Hi Frantisek,
If it's any comfort to you, it's not a problem limited to the Nikon 
scanners. My results with a Minolta Dimâge scan dual and an Epson 
1640SU are just the same.

Dunno if it's chemstry or dust, but it's so close to film grain size 
that it doesn't really matter. I have never found any better way do 
deal with it than dust&scratches or manual cloning of critical areas.

Jostein

FS: Pentax DA 16-45mm 4.0 ED AL

[Chad]

I have for sale the digital 16-45mm/4.0 ED AL zoom lens made by
Pentax. It is in LN minus condition. Included are the end caps,
original box, and hood. Very little use on this lens.

Price $350USD plus your choice of shipping.

Payment terms: Paypal non-credit card instant cash transaction, or
money order/cashiers check.

If interested please send Email.

Thanks,
Chad

really OT: anagram site

[Gonz]

I put Frank Theriault in and got:
http://www.wordsmith.org/anagram/anagram.cgi?anagram=frank+theriault
My favorites:
THE FRANK RITUAL
URINAL ARK THEFT
This could be a pug theme.  I can envision a ritual comprising a tribe 
of Frank look-alikes dancing around a fire with urinals over their 
heads.  

rg

Re: Scanning woes...

[Frantisek]

HT> Your sample image does not work, so i cant comment on what it might be.
HT> Check the negs carefully though for stains or such.

Ooops wrong url :-(
http://3web.dkm.cz/fotof/temp/lumaspeckles.jpg
http://3web.dkm.cz/fotof/temp/lumaspeckles.tif

  Good light!
   fra

Re: Ken Rockwell's review of the istDs ...

[Gonz]

Also, here is the opinion from people who actually bought the camera, 
not just read the specs.  It makes a big difference:

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/read_opinions.asp?prodkey=pentax_istds

Jamie Walling wrote:
WOW.  It's amazing how defensive this list gets. For a
moment i almost thought I was on a Leica list.
It's also amazing how much people here slam Ken
Rockwell about not including facts, and then they
themselves do not tell the facts.  Some general info
on Ken's site and this review in general (BTW ... I do
not know him at all, but have read his site for years
since I used to use Nikon MF and he has one of the
better lens sections on the web)
He wrote this review BEFORE anyone had access to the
istDs.  It is a preview, not a review.  He even said
his opinion might change if he uses one.
His site is an opinion site, and he goes out of his
way to make that perfectly clear.  He also makes it
perfectly clear what he is looking for in a camera and
that he is ONLY judging cameras based on what he is
looking for in a camera... 

If you read his pages... based on what he is looking
for, the Pentax istDs does not cut it.
FYI .. he gave the istD a favorable review when it was
introduced, and personally uses Pentax spot meters. 
Hard to say he is anti pentax.

=
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Re: Ken Rockwell's review of the istDs ...

[Gonz]

Jamie Walling wrote:

He wrote this review BEFORE anyone had access to the
istDs.  It is a preview, not a review.  He even said
his opinion might change if he uses one.

Where does it say that?  He wrote this in Jan 2005 (two weeks ago).  The 
*istDS was available to anyone way before that, and it was announced in 
Sept 2004.  The specs have been around since then.

rg

Re: Ken Rockwell's review of the istDs ...

[ernreed2]

Quoting William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
(regarding Ken Rockwell's site)


> It's kind of like National Enquirer journalism for photographers.

That looks like one for the quote file!

Excellent summary.

ERNR

Re: McCullin speaks

[ernreed2]

Quoting Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> 
> >Don McCullin was on the radio at lunchtime today, talking about
> >his life and his landscape photographs. The programme is repeated on
> >Saturday:
> 
> web page:
> 
> 
> 
> 2nd column, 'listen again'
> 
> Excellent programme - very much worth listening to, especially if you're
> an old carmudgeon into film and landscapes, or an aspiring war
> photographer wondering about what baggage you might accumulate at the
> other end.
>


I haven't listened to this, but I'll agree about the "aspiring war 
photographer wondering about baggage" remark based on Don McCullin's comments 
(and demeanour) in the film "Dying to tell the Story". (Someone else in this 
thread mentioned McCullin being "sad" and that, too, was quite apparent in 
that film.)
Interesting film -- I've watched it several times -- but a lot of sadness 
there, not only from McCullin.

ERNR

Re: Ruminations... (resend)

[Peter J. Alling]

Yea, you're right just grays out on you.
Frits Wüthrich wrote:
On Friday 28 January 2005 01:45, frank theriault wrote:
FJW> On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:22:43 -0800 (PST), Godfrey DiGiorgi
FJW> (or Wendy herself) may want slides or something.  Maybe she'll see the
FJW> light, and realize that real photographers shoot Tri-X, and that
FJW> digital will never replicate the "real Tri-X" look  everyone start yelling at me>.
I never liked the colours of Tri-X much.
 


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I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke

Re: PESO: Barcelona (theme green)

[Peter J. Alling]

It wrapped the second time too.  It's a nice shot by the way.
Henk Terhell wrote:
Don't know why the link is wrapped - should have extension .html
http://www.dewindvanvoorne.nl/fotoalbum/People/slides/IMGP2143small2.htm
l
Henk
-Original Message-
From: Henk Terhell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 28 January, 2005 9:49 AM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: PESO: Barcelona (theme green)

Here is one of my pictures taken in January during a few days trip to
Barcelona (just didn't fit this month's gallery theme blue!). Of course
any comments are welcome.
http://www.dewindvanvoorne.nl/fotoalbum/People/slides/IMGP2143small2.htm
l
Henk

 


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I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke

Re: Ken Rockwell's review of the istDs ...

[Peter J. Alling]

If you play to a large enough groups prejudices you can get delude 
yourself into anything.

Rob Studdert wrote:
On 28 Jan 2005 at 0:16, Jamie Walling wrote:
 

He wrote this review BEFORE anyone had access to the
istDs.  It is a preview, not a review.  He even said
his opinion might change if he uses one.
   

LOL, why then is the heading "Pentax *ist DS *istDS Test Review"
My favourite quote from his site (http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/aboutrvw.htm)
"I had no idea that by 2002 my site would become the world's most trusted and 
popular source of technical information world wide through the Internet. I feel like 
Forrest Gump; I never asked for this fame, people just bestow it on me."
Seriously funny stuff.

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
 


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I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke

Re: Ken Rockwell's review of the istDs ...

[Peter J. Alling]

Jamie Walling wrote:
WOW.  It's amazing how defensive this list gets. For a
moment i almost thought I was on a Leica list.
 

You obviously don't hang out on the Leica list much.
It's also amazing how much people here slam Ken
Rockwell about not including facts, and then they
 

We're not an authority publishing a supposedly hands on review.  He 
reviewed a camera
apparently a number of cameras authoritatively without ever having seen 
them.  That's like
doing anatomical drawings of an elephant after hearing rumors of such a 
beast.  Totally
dishonest.

themselves do not tell the facts.  Some general info
on Ken's site and this review in general (BTW ... I do
not know him at all, but have read his site for years
since I used to use Nikon MF and he has one of the
better lens sections on the web)
 

For Nikon maybe.  If he wrote a glowing review of a Nikon product, would I
believe that either.  Probably not.
He wrote this review BEFORE anyone had access to the
istDs.  It is a preview, not a review.  He even said
his opinion might change if he uses one.
 

He slammed it in a preview.  He slammed Canon cameras in previews.  _I 
don't care._
The most you can do in a preview is list features and give a first 
impression.  He went
a lot farther than that and regularly does so.  It wasn't billed as a 
preview by the way,
he bills it as a test review, and I quote:

"**Pentax *ist DS *istDS Test Review"**
He should get a new headline writer.
Disclaimers on another page don't cut it either.
By the way he now has a disclaimer on the main page for this "review" 
due to the "hate" mail
he's received.  It wasn't there before. 

His site is an opinion site, and he goes out of his
way to make that perfectly clear.  He also makes it
perfectly clear what he is looking for in a camera and
that he is ONLY judging cameras based on what he is
looking for in a camera... 
 

Yes it is an opinion site.  That becomes obvious when you read it. 

If you read his pages... based on what he is looking
for, the Pentax istDs does not cut it.
 

That's not his recommendation.  He doesn't dismisses it just for 
himself, he dismisses it for everyone. 
Even if they are just starting out and don't have a large investment in 
other manufactures lenses. 
Even if I didn't own a bunch of Pentax lenses the *ist-Ds would be 
viable competition for the
Rebel-D and the D70 which don't really cut it by his criteria either.  
(Ok, the Nikon cut it because
it says Nikon on the prism housing, but then he had to ignore a lot of 
other things).

FYI .. he gave the istD a favorable review when it was
introduced, and personally uses Pentax spot meters. 
Hard to say he is anti pentax.
 

I don't think anyone said he was anti Pentax.  I believe the consensus 
was that he was
in my words an opinionated idiot, but I'm just being judgmental, kind of 
like he is.

=
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During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke

Re: PESO: London

[Butch Black]

I found it a very interesting shot and a bit disturbing as I can't get a 
handle on what was going on between the couple. Their close proximity 
suggests familiarity but the body language does not suggest that they are 
about to kiss. That then brings questions about the hand  on her face and 
her very upright posture with hands to her sides. Add that all this is 
happening in a public place. It makes me think there is a lot more going on 
between them. If the mark of a good photograph is one that makes you stop 
and think, then this is one good photograph.

Butch 

Re: Travelling *istD/DS (was:Digital anguish)

[brooksdj]

> > >
> > > I can't help thinking it's a bit of a non-issue. I'd like to hear of 
> > > people who
> > > have actually suffered problems due to moisture ingress. I've done some 
> > > pretty
> > > nasty things to my cameras (P67,P645, SuperA, LX, MZ-S, Leica M, Mamiya, 
> > > Oly E-
> > > 10) over the years and none have ever failed due to condensation problems.

This may be a coinkydink,but just a few weeks after shooting the D2H in some 
heavy
rain,the AF and 
metering acted up badly. A new AE board(warranty) from Nikon was needed. It may 
not have
been the 
cause but i'm a bit paranoid now.

Dave

Re: DA14mm f/2.8 quality (was: Pentax 50mm News)

[DagT]

As some of you may remember I´ve had some contact with the guy testing 
the *istDs for the major Norwegian photo magazine.  It is not published 
yet so I wont tell you what he says, except that he likes it a lot 
(especially after getting some help with the manual :-)

However, he has also looked the 14mm (initially he was going to borrow 
mine), and I think I can tell you what he thinks about it:  He thinks 
it is great (he used the word "formidable"), especially to the price.  
He found almost no distortion and very little vignetting, which are the 
two most important feature to me.  Sharpness is from acceptable to 
razor sharp.  He also likes the compact size and maximum aperture and 
concludes that he would buy one if he had Pentax.

While I don´t agree with him about everything I know that he takes the 
reviews very seriously, so even if he didn´t have the 14mm in an 
optical bench (he did with the 18-55) I think his view is fairly 
accurate.

He has a few interesting remarks regarding the Ds and the 18-55, but 
I´ll have to get back to them when the review is published.

DagT
På 26. jan. 2005 kl. 02.56 skrev Godfrey DiGiorgi:
Interesting. At f/8, the DA14mm's aperture is less than 2mm in
diameter where the FA16-45 is at 2mm or greater. Perhaps you're
seeing the onset of diffraction, reducing the resolution. How do
they compare at f/5.6?
I normally set aperture between f/4 and f/5.6 with the 14mm.
Godfrey
--- Herb Chong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
at f8, my DA 14 is uniformly sharp across the field, but
noticeably less so
than the DA 16-45 at f8. the DA 16-45 and FA* 80-200/2.8 are
about equal to
my eyes, and i expect that the FA* 28-70/2.8 to be about the
same.
Herb...
- Original Message -
From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: DA14mm f/2.8 quality (was: Pentax 50mm News)

Less sharp ... in the center, at the edges, at what f/stops,
etc, at what settings on the DA16-45? How are you comparing
them?
I find the DA14 satisfactorily sharp across the field wide
open,
but the corners are not as sharp as the center until
f/4-5.6.
Contrast is good throughout the range. Distortion seems to
be
very low.




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Re: Scanning woes...

[Henri Toivonen]

Frantisek wrote:
Hi,
  recently, I got access inhouse to a Nikon V ED, the 4000
  dpi 35mm scanner. Although I prefer optical prints, I have to
  submit mostly digital files by now. Which is not a problem as I
  shoot digitally, but now I need to scan some of my older film.
  Before, I would have just had it printed A4 and submitted to the
  editor, and not care afterwards. Now, for various reasons, I have
  to scan it myself.
  Apart from usual quirks with the software (why it doesn't come with
  SilverFast!), I am having some problems with scanner noise, or
  grain aliasing. More than I excepted, but on that later.
  What more, I got these weird black speckles in the luminance
  channel, leaving me dumbfounded. Please see
  http://3web.dkm.cz/members/fotof/temp/lumaspeckles.tif for 100%
  4000dpi sample (L channel only). USM does accentuate them a lot.
  Anybody knows what it might be? I always scan with any sharpening
  turned off. ICE on, and both GEM and ROC disabled (I found the GEM
  feature to hoover extremely).
  Most of the speckles can be removed by Dust&Scratches filter, but
  at the expense of some specular detail, and it's just annoying to
  have to run another slow filter on the 16bit file...
  thanks for any suggestions.
Good light!
  fra
 

Grain aliasing is a problem. I much more than I had expected with my 
Minolta Scan Dual IV also. Especially with b/w film, it was horribly 
grainy compared with the optical prints. OTOH the very grainy Tmax3200 
was as grainy as the optical print, so the size of the grain matters in 
this case.

Your sample image does not work, so i cant comment on what it might be.
Check the negs carefully though for stains or such.
/Henri