Re: PESO - kite festival stuff

[mike wilson]

Boris Liberman wrote:


Hi!


A small selection from this weekend's fun.

You might have to f11 the page to get all of some of them on screen.  
My apologies.


http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/529253/display/3459221
http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/529253/display/3459188 (scary)
http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/529253/display/3459180
http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/529253/display/3459171



Gee, Mike this is pretty darn convincing of you know what ;-)...

Well, me and my wife are still pondering our plans for this vacation...

Personally I like the Octopus shot the best.


8-)

I saw it happening and had to run about 100yards with full Red Cross 
first aider kit to get into a suitable place and range.  Got three shots 
and the batteries died.  The new, charged batteries wouldn't fire the 
Optio up. My shooting for the day finished.

Re: PESO -- Night Lights

[Boris Liberman]

Eleanor, 

I picked Jar Jar simply because of the way he speaks. I often make
funny mistakes in English, so one can say my English is somewhat
clumsy...

Sometime ago I was called Mr Data... If that is of any help...

I actually like ST (TNG) more than SW...

-- 
Boris

Re: PESO - kite festival stuff

[mike wilson]

Shel Belinkoff wrote:


  Cool!

We have a kite festival here, as well, with very similar kites.

http://home.earthlink.net/~pdml-pics/kite_watch.html


I've got one like that!  But not so good


What's F11?


Toggles between full screen browser pane content and normal view. 
Although I follow the regs for fotocommunity.com and have very few 
toolbars, etc. on my own screen, I still find that my pictures can 
occasionally be larger than the pane.  Which is a pain.




Shel 





[Original Message]
From: mike wilson 



You might have to f11 the page to get all of some of them on screen.  My 
apologies.


http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/529253/display/3459221
http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/529253/display/3459188 (scary)
http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/529253/display/3459180
http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/529253/display/3459171

Re: PESO - kite festival stuff

[mike wilson]

Cotty wrote:

On 3/7/05, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed:



A small selection from this weekend's fun.

You might have to f11 the page to get all of some of them on screen.  My 
apologies.


http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/529253/display/3459221
http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/529253/display/3459188 (scary)
http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/529253/display/3459180
http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/529253/display/3459171



Nice pics Mike. What does f11 do??


Thanks to all responders.  F11 on Netscape toggles the content part of 
the screen as big as possible by eliminating all toolbars, etc., except 
those absolutely neccessary.  I think it is the same for most browsers.


On PCs 8-






Cheers,
  Cotty


___/\__
||   (O)   | People, Places, Pastiche
||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com
_

Re: PESO -- Night Lights

[E.R.N. Reed]

Boris Liberman wrote:


Hi!


http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/PESO_--_nightlights.html

Equipment:

Pentax *ist-D SMC/Pentax 43mm Ltd.

As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.



Mesa thinking you were trying to capture light sources of as many 
different color temperatures as was possible... Mesa thinking you did 
quite well...


Boris (I am clumsy, Binks) ;-)


Probably won't make a difference, but I don't think I've ever mentioned 
here how very, very much I *HATE* Jar-Jar Binks.

Absolutely loathe, despise, abhor, can't stand 'im.
Why did you pick him, Boris? I'm sure you're more the Yoda type -- deep, 
arcane wisdom -- you ARE a professional computer guy, aren't you?


ERNR

Re: Another damn traitor!

[E.R.N. Reed]

Graywolf wrote:

I just did a BIN on a used Oylmpus C-5050. That makes me a double 
traitor. Buying a digi-tal, and buying a foreign brand. I have wanted 
one of these since they were anounced but had to wait until I could 
get it for pocket change. Hey, I am buying a camera that is only 3-4 
years old, not 50+, but I guess that is the same thing in digital.


Oh well!  


I was strongly tempted t'ward one of those myself -- but instead chose 
the Pentax Optio 550 because it *was* a Pentax (so, PUG-legal) and could 
go in my pocket. However, it did impress me as a cool camera, and I hope 
you have lots of fun with it.

Maybe you'll share PESOs or PAWs now?

ERNR

Re: To Herb Chong et al

[Rob Studdert]

On 4 Jul 2005 at 1:03, Mark Cassino wrote:
 
> IMO - If you can look at a photo for a year and still like it, if you can 
> articulate what the photo means and how it expresses that, if you can 
> understand how the design elements in the image work, then it's probably a 
> good
> photo. If other people don't 'get' it - you are hanging in the wrong crowd.  
> If
> people see something there that you don't intend (or don;t even see) - don't 
> let
> it go to your head.  Ultimately, the validation (and harsh criticism!) has to
> come from within - I don't think its something that others can impart, no 
> matter
> how much stuff they buy,  medals they award, or insults they hurl.
> 
> My two cents!

That was at least $2 worth Mark. ;-)


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: To Herb Chong et al

[Mark Cassino]

Hi Boris -

I have not been following the 'stinkin filters thread, but I'll jump in here 
anyhow :-0


I sell a fair number of photos, both as individual prints and for 
publication, and I also do the occasional art fair and stint on the sales 
floor in gallery co-ops, so I've had a chance to see what goes into people's 
decision making process when buying photos or other art work.


To be frank, the general merits of the piece, the subtle aspects and nuance 
of design and composition, are more or less secondary in most purchase 
decision.  Subject is one of the primary drivers.  For individual print 
sales, people look at the subject matter first, then colors, size, how it 
integrates with other decorative objects, and somewhere down the list - the 
overall quality of the piece.  Color is important - people walk up to photos 
and paintings holding paint chips from their newly redecorated bedrooms, and 
look for decorations that match them - size is important, and only somewhere 
down the line does quality and impact of the work come into play.  I've seen 
many situations where people stop to admire a particular work, return to it 
often, but don't buy it because it just won't work in their homes.  So, 
except when the for the rare connoisseur or collector comes into play, I 
don't think sales of individual pieces means a lot in terms of the pure 
quality of the work.  You can learn more by watching people's reactions to 
photos, than by what they buy.


Publication photo editors are more sophisticated, but again are driven by 
objectives other than just the quality of the work.  Size constraints, 
aspect ratio, blank space available to have text laid over it, how the piece 
integrates into the overall layout and design of the article are all factors 
that drive the selection decision.   People who are laying out publications 
are probably more driven by those issues than just the quality of the 
individual piece - for them, the photos that they buy are the building 
blocks of a larger work that they are constructing.


And in all cases - don't forget price.  Both individuals and photo editors 
are working within budgets, and will juggle their purchases to try to stay 
on target.


And, of course, the trite and the hackneyed have tremendous marketability - 
even more than the innovative and sublime.  So at the end of they day, I 
don't think sales really tell you much.


I also participate in juried shows and I do think that they provide a good 
sense of what a particular individual thinks about your work.  Getting in, 
getting an award, getting a sense of the competitive field and the 
qualifications of the juror are all useful.  But it has its limit.  I've 
talked with jurors who tell me that they are concerned with 'building a 
coherent exhibit," so - like the photo editor - they may be looking for 
pieces that work together and that may be mean that really spectacular 
pieces get set aside, because they don't work with the balance of the whole 
show. And with jurors and judges, individual quirks and biases come into 
play.  You may have a juror who is not a photographer and will judge work 
totally differently than a photographer, for example. So, the juried shows 
and competitions offer more valuable feedback, IMO, than just sales, but you 
are looking at a fairly narrow bit of feedback (the opinion of the judge or 
juror.)


Personally - what really matters is your own feeling about the image. People 
bring their own biases and experiences to a photo and that affects how they 
react to it.  Last year I sold a landscape to someone who had a couple of 
family members die at the very place I chose for my photo. For them it was a 
very moving image, but in a context totally different than what I intended 
when I created it.


IMO - If you can look at a photo for a year and still like it, if you can 
articulate what the photo means and how it expresses that, if you can 
understand how the design elements in the image work, then it's probably a 
good photo. If other people don't 'get' it - you are hanging in the wrong 
crowd.  If people see something there that you don't intend (or don;t even 
see) - don't let it go to your head.  Ultimately, the validation (and harsh 
criticism!) has to come from within - I don't think its something that 
others can impart, no matter how much stuff they buy,  medals they award, or 
insults they hurl.


My two cents!

- MCC

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Mark Cassino Photography
Kalamazoo, MI
www.markcassino.com
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- Original Message - 
From: "Boris Liberman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 12:43 AM
Subject: To Herb Chong et al



Hi!

Herb, I followed the "no stinking filters" thread for some time. I have a 
question.


You may argue that if a photo sold, it means that it managed to overcome 
some competition... Hence it is rather good one...


What about those photos that participate in (intern

Re: GESO: Copenhagen Jazz Festival 2005

[Bruce Dayton]

Hello Jens,

Some nice shots.  #1 is my favorite - it really catches the mood of
the singer.  Some of the others are quite nice also.  Always like to
see your work.

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Sunday, July 3, 2005, 2:18:39 PM, you wrote:

JB> The festival started last Friday, July 1st.
JB> Yesterday I got a lot of bad shot because I forgot to use shutter priority.
JB> That the reason for the B&W photogs.
JB> Today I remembered. Speeds slower than 1/320s is not fast enough. Plese
JB> notice that the SMC-F 4-5.6/70-210mm is a nice, sharp lens. The M 4/200m is
JB> not to bad either.

JB> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/sets/536773/show/

JB> Jens Bladt
JB> Arkitekt MAA
JB> http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt

Re: GESO: More Dragonflies

[Bruce Dayton]

I like #3 the best, followed by #1.  What I like about #1 is showing
two of them and one in actual flight - mostly we see these things
landed.  I do wish there was a little more DOF, especially on #3 - to
really make an outstanding shot

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Sunday, July 3, 2005, 8:53:01 PM, you wrote:

HC> sometimes, you go with the herd because that's what everyone else is doing,
HC> and sometimes you go with the herd because there isn't anything else to do.
HC> i went to take pictures of birds and they all decided to stay away from me,
HC> so here are some dragonflies too. all taken with Pentax *istD with A*
HC> 400/2.8 and 1.7X AF extender and a Sigma EF-500 DG Super in high speed synch
HC> mode. DOF is essentially zero shooting wide open at the minimum focusing
HC> distance of about 4m. i chose to use ISO 200 for these shots instead of my
HC> usual 800 for this type of work because of lower noise. they were mostly
HC> staying still as i was shooting and i thought it was worth the risk of
HC> vibration or motion blur.

HC> http://users.bestweb.net/~hchong/Seasonal/

HC> Herb 

Re: GESO: Copenhagen Jazz Festival 2005

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!


The festival started last Friday, July 1st.
Yesterday I got a lot of bad shot because I forgot to use shutter priority.
That the reason for the B&W photogs.
Today I remembered. Speeds slower than 1/320s is not fast enough. Plese
notice that the SMC-F 4-5.6/70-210mm is a nice, sharp lens. The M 4/200m is
not to bad either.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/sets/536773/show/


Looks to me you did enjoy the music, Jens. Some quality stuff there... I 
like the most the last (I think) photo, where the guy is half smiling 
and playing this instrument, whose name I don't know in English. Looks 
like huge guitar standing on the floor...


Boris

GESO: More Dragonflies

[Herb Chong]

sometimes, you go with the herd because that's what everyone else is doing, 
and sometimes you go with the herd because there isn't anything else to do. 
i went to take pictures of birds and they all decided to stay away from me, 
so here are some dragonflies too. all taken with Pentax *istD with A* 
400/2.8 and 1.7X AF extender and a Sigma EF-500 DG Super in high speed synch 
mode. DOF is essentially zero shooting wide open at the minimum focusing 
distance of about 4m. i chose to use ISO 200 for these shots instead of my 
usual 800 for this type of work because of lower noise. they were mostly 
staying still as i was shooting and i thought it was worth the risk of 
vibration or motion blur.


http://users.bestweb.net/~hchong/Seasonal/

Herb 

Re: fixing an A 50mm f1.4

[K.Takeshita]

On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 05:54:09, Frank Wajer wrote;

> BTW. I will never ever touch an A, F or FA zoom lens, that must be
> a nightmare.

Hi,

I am no lens expert and not even sure if it would be appropriate to inject
this remark in, but this thread reminded me of the lens axis discrepancy
that was discussed in one of the Japanese lists which I summarize here.

I also remember that the shimming of the glasses was discussed in this list
several months ago.

In assembling lenses, there are two different axis to be matched.  These are
optical and mechanical.  Optical axis is inherent to the glasses when they
were made.  Mechanical axis would be the one concerning the assembling
process.  Ideally those two should match perfectly but they usually do not,
and some tolerances are specified.  These are different among the mfrs but I
understand that Nikon and Pentax specify ±30μｍ while others (including
Canon) specify ±50μｍ.
Manufacturing tolerance of Glass OD and barrel ID have to precisely match.
Also, each glass element has to be held precisely perpendicular to the
barrel axis.  In the past (i.e., good old days when cameras were crafted,
not manufactured :-) when skilled craftsmen (women? :-) were doing this,
they rotated each glass to find the best matching point but now it is
automated.  But the shimming is very important.
Glass axis checking could only be made possible by a spot light source and
laser light is used to check this.
I was told that it was possible to see the mismatched axis by putting a spot
light source.  Incandescent lamp could simulate this but the best way is to
use the laser pointer and check the reflection at each element which should
at least look lined up.  Even the glasses by reputable mfrs have some out of
tolerance samples.  Some people make it a habit to bring a laser pointer
when they buy new lenses.  I really do not know how effective it is to find
defective lenses by this quick & dirty method but they say they sometimes
find crooked pieces.
If you find your photos consistently with certain corner (s) out of focus
etc, you may have to doubt this tolerance (particularly after dropping etc).
They also say that certain Russian lenses are terrible in this regard, and
the misalignment is so visible.

I am attaching a sample pic of light axis aligned up acceptably.

http://ca.geocities.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/LensAlignment.html

Not a good photo, but you get an idea :-).

Cheers,

Ken

Re: PESO: Yet another insect

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!

Since today is dragon fly day, I shagged one down in the backyard. I 
should have stopped down one more stop. I didn't get quite enough depth 
of field. But I think the DA 50-200 performed admirably here, as did the 
Sigma 500 Super Flash. Only the photographer failed :-). It's f8 @ 
1/1500 with high speed synch flash. The lens is at 200mm. I'll have to 
try again tomorrow at f11, 1/750 or so.

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3509513&size=lg


Stop it buys, I cannot hate everyone on the list. It is not very healthy.

Steady Paul, you did use tripod, didn't you? ;-)

Boris

Re: PESO: Yet another insect

[Paul Stenquist]

Thanks. I think the minimum focus distance of the DA 50-200 is quite 
short. Seems to be around three feet or so. This is only a slight crop. 
My macro lenses are all K or M series, and the Sigma won't do high 
speed synch with them. I may have to find look for a good A series 
macro. I'd love to have that 200, but I'm sure it's pricey.

Paul
On Jul 3, 2005, at 11:31 PM, Don Sanderson wrote:


That's very nice Paul.
I hadn't given much thought to using the 50-200 this way
because of the long minimum focus distance.
I need to rig up a "Bug Bracket" for the D and go hunting.
After all the rain we've had subjects ought to be plentiful.

Don


-Original Message-
From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 10:07 PM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: PESO: Yet another insect


Since today is dragon fly day, I shagged one down in the backyard. I
should have stopped down one more stop. I didn't get quite enough 
depth

of field. But I think the DA 50-200 performed admirably here, as did
the Sigma 500 Super Flash. Only the photographer failed :-). It's f8 @
1/1500 with high speed synch flash. The lens is at 200mm. I'll have to
try again tomorrow at f11, 1/750 or so.
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3509513&size=lg

Re: PESO - Last Glimmer

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!


I was looking around for it, but I think someone got there before me
.  It would have been nice to have several days to scout around
for the best locations for sunset shooting, but we just had to take a
guess and chose this one.


Bruce, didn't you use it yourself, to cover the viewfinder of your D 
while you were releasing the shutter ;-) ?...


Stunning...

Boris

Re: PESO - kite festival stuff

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!


A small selection from this weekend's fun.

You might have to f11 the page to get all of some of them on screen.  My 
apologies.


http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/529253/display/3459221
http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/529253/display/3459188 (scary)
http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/529253/display/3459180
http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/529253/display/3459171


Gee, Mike this is pretty darn convincing of you know what ;-)...

Well, me and my wife are still pondering our plans for this vacation...

Personally I like the Octopus shot the best.

Boris

Re: PESO -- Bear. Comments/suggestions appreciated.

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!


Hey All

A picture taken i Copenhagen Zoo

http://www.fotokritik.dk/kritik.html?pic=160448

Comments/suggestions appreciated.

Pentax *istDS, SMC 100-300, Handheld,  ISO 200, 1/250 sec @ f/8, no 
filter used. no afterprocessing other than resizing.


Jorn, here is the quote from the above web page:
"Metering Mode:Mønster" <-- looks a bit funny to me...

But this bear is no monster, he/she is rather poor trapped fellow...

Boris

Re: PESO Day :Lilies (another *&^%#$ flower picture)

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!


With all the flower photos lately I thought I'd contribute one.

http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/PESO_--_daylilies.html

Equipment.  Pentax *ist-D  Vivitar 35-85mm f2.8 Varifocus

As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.


My only suggestion here is either to try soft lens or soft filter on 
this very conditions...


Boris

Re: PESO -- Night Lights

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!


http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/PESO_--_nightlights.html

Equipment:

Pentax *ist-D SMC/Pentax 43mm Ltd.

As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.


Mesa thinking you were trying to capture light sources of as many 
different color temperatures as was possible... Mesa thinking you did 
quite well...


Boris (I am clumsy, Binks) ;-)

Re: Don't need no stinkin' filters!

[Herb Chong]

when did i say it was junk? i said one would sell and one wouldn't. then i 
said that if an image can be sold, it has passed some threshold for 
composition, exposure, and originality. you are the one that immediately 
assumed that it meant Bruce's picture was junk. as far as i am concerned you 
are the one doing Bruce the disfavor. Bruce understood what i meant and knew 
i wasn't criticizing him. it's up to him to decide whether he will do 
anything or not, not you.


Herb
- Original Message - 
From: "Bob Sullivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 10:02 PM
Subject: Re: Don't need no stinkin' filters!



The second issue that runs thru this thread is an undercurrent of
calling somebody's work junk and saying it won't sell, which I find
insufferably arrogant.

Re: Paw: Eric invades my flower shot

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!


Giving my GFM shots a week off. Cannot decide, more deer or eagles.

I submit this for your dining and dancing pleasure.

http://photobucket.com/albums/v408/divad_b/?action=view¤t=eric_2260.jpg

I stopped off at the horse farm a few weeks ago to try and get some baby 
Trumpeter Swan
shots, but
they were snoozing so i went for a walk.

Found this nice flower, so i got set up for a close up. Just as i went to trip 
the
shutter, Eric
flew into the shot. He's a bit OOF but i like the way he seems suspended in 
front of the
flowers.

Go ahead. Hammer away.:-)

Oh and Happy Cnada Day and Happy 4th of July Ya'll:-)


Dave, I think you misplaced a focus point. On my monitor, which is mere 
17" :-), it looks like the leave on the upper right corner are in focus, 
there is slightly out. I don't think you were after leaves really...


And somehow, perhaps also because of the above, the wings of the bee are 
not seen, which to me takes much away from the shot...


I have to ask why you called that bee "Eric"? Or did I miss something out?

Boris

RE: PESO: Yet another insect

[Don Sanderson]

That's very nice Paul.
I hadn't given much thought to using the 50-200 this way
because of the long minimum focus distance.
I need to rig up a "Bug Bracket" for the D and go hunting.
After all the rain we've had subjects ought to be plentiful.

Don

> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 10:07 PM
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: PESO: Yet another insect
> 
> 
> Since today is dragon fly day, I shagged one down in the backyard. I 
> should have stopped down one more stop. I didn't get quite enough depth 
> of field. But I think the DA 50-200 performed admirably here, as did 
> the Sigma 500 Super Flash. Only the photographer failed :-). It's f8 @ 
> 1/1500 with high speed synch flash. The lens is at 200mm. I'll have to 
> try again tomorrow at f11, 1/750 or so.
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3509513&size=lg
> 

Re: PESO: Yet another insect

[Paul Stenquist]

Thanks Bruce. The background is various leaves. Long daylily leaves, 
some maiden hair grass, and some black-eyed susan leaves. I don't think 
you're seeing any shadows, just leaves of different shades and varying 
distance from the lens. I'd say most were two to three feet behind the 
insect.

On Jul 3, 2005, at 11:19 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote:


A little more DOF wouldn't hurt, but still, it's a darn good shot as
is.  I don't think I've ever come close to anything like that.  That
DA 50-200 doesn't look too bad.  I'm kind of curious as to what the
background was - it almost looks like I can see shadows from the
flash, like the background is not that far away.

--
Best regards,
Bruce


Sunday, July 3, 2005, 8:07:03 PM, you wrote:

PS> Since today is dragon fly day, I shagged one down in the backyard. 
I
PS> should have stopped down one more stop. I didn't get quite enough 
depth
PS> of field. But I think the DA 50-200 performed admirably here, as 
did
PS> the Sigma 500 Super Flash. Only the photographer failed :-). It's 
f8 @
PS> 1/1500 with high speed synch flash. The lens is at 200mm. I'll 
have to

PS> try again tomorrow at f11, 1/750 or so.
PS> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3509513&size=lg

Re: PESO: Yet another insect

[Paul Stenquist]

Thanks Bill. Yeah, bugs are fun. They aren't as shy as birds.
Paul
On Jul 3, 2005, at 11:07 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Since today is dragon fly day, I shagged one down in the backyard. I 
should have stopped down one more stop. I didn't get quite enough 
depth of field. But I think the DA 50-200 performed admirably here, as 
did the Sigma 500 Super Flash. Only the photographer failed :-). It's 
f8 @ 1/1500 with high speed synch flash. The lens is at 200mm. I'll 
have to try again tomorrow at f11, 1/750 or so.

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3509513&size=lg

Re: PESO - Last Glimmer

[Paul Stenquist]

Ahh! This one might be my favorite of all the MV pics you've posted. 
Great light, nice composition. Excellent.

Paul
On Jul 3, 2005, at 10:24 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote:


Arches - taken at sunset - the sun broke through for about 30-45
seconds to illuminate the rocks.

Pentax *istD, DA 16-45/4, Tripod
ISO 400, 1/60 sec @ F/11
Converted from Raw using Capture One LE

http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/monumentvalley_0308.htm

Comments welcome

--
Best regards,
Bruce

Re: PESO: Yet another insect

[Bruce Dayton]

A little more DOF wouldn't hurt, but still, it's a darn good shot as
is.  I don't think I've ever come close to anything like that.  That
DA 50-200 doesn't look too bad.  I'm kind of curious as to what the
background was - it almost looks like I can see shadows from the
flash, like the background is not that far away.

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Sunday, July 3, 2005, 8:07:03 PM, you wrote:

PS> Since today is dragon fly day, I shagged one down in the backyard. I
PS> should have stopped down one more stop. I didn't get quite enough depth
PS> of field. But I think the DA 50-200 performed admirably here, as did
PS> the Sigma 500 Super Flash. Only the photographer failed :-). It's f8 @
PS> 1/1500 with high speed synch flash. The lens is at 200mm. I'll have to
PS> try again tomorrow at f11, 1/750 or so.
PS> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3509513&size=lg

PESO: Lap Dog

[Paul Stenquist]

This one is more my style: A pretty girl with a dog in her lap. The 
funny thing about this is that the dog doesn't belong to the girl. He 
was tied up next to the bench and just decided he'd rather sit in her 
lap. Smart dog.

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3509533&size=lg

Re: Yet another insect

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Paul Stenquist"

Subject: PESO: Yet another insect


Since today is dragon fly day, I shagged one down in the backyard. I 
should have stopped down one more stop. I didn't get quite enough depth of 
field. But I think the DA 50-200 performed admirably here, as did the 
Sigma 500 Super Flash. Only the photographer failed :-). It's f8 @ 1/1500 
with high speed synch flash. The lens is at 200mm. I'll have to try again 
tomorrow at f11, 1/750 or so.

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3509513&size=lg




Thats pretty darned good Paul.
We're having a terrific mosquito infestation at the moment, I figure we 
should be getting a dragonfly hatching pretty quick.

I might have to try some of this bug stuff myself.

William Robb 

PESO: Yet another insect

[Paul Stenquist]

Since today is dragon fly day, I shagged one down in the backyard. I 
should have stopped down one more stop. I didn't get quite enough depth 
of field. But I think the DA 50-200 performed admirably here, as did 
the Sigma 500 Super Flash. Only the photographer failed :-). It's f8 @ 
1/1500 with high speed synch flash. The lens is at 200mm. I'll have to 
try again tomorrow at f11, 1/750 or so.

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3509513&size=lg

Re: PESO - Last Glimmer

[Bruce Dayton]

Bill,

I was looking around for it, but I think someone got there before me
.  It would have been nice to have several days to scout around
for the best locations for sunset shooting, but we just had to take a
guess and chose this one.

-- 
Bruce


Sunday, July 3, 2005, 7:51:14 PM, you wrote:


WR> - Original Message - 
WR> From: "Bruce Dayton" 
WR> Subject: PESO - Last Glimmer


>> Arches - taken at sunset - the sun broke through for about 30-45
>> seconds to illuminate the rocks.

WR> Did you find my dark cloth?
WR> I left it about 5 feet from where you were standing.

WR> William Robb

RE: Another damn traitor!

[Don Sanderson]

Fantastic little camera!
I hated to sell mine but with the ist-D I
figured I'd better before all I could get
for it WAS pocket change.
You'll enjoy it.

Don

> -Original Message-
> From: Graywolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 9:30 PM
> To: Pentax Discussion Malling List
> Subject: Another damn traitor!
> 
> 
> I just did a BIN on a used Oylmpus C-5050. That makes me a double 
> traitor. Buying a digi-tal, and buying a foreign brand. I have 
> wanted one of these since they were anounced but had to wait 
> until I could get it for pocket change. Hey, I am buying a camera 
> that is only 3-4 years old, not 50+, but I guess that is the same 
> thing in digital.
> 
> Oh well!  
> -- 
> 
> graywolf
> http://www.graywolfphoto.com
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Re: PESO - Last Glimmer

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Bruce Dayton" 
Subject: PESO - Last Glimmer




Arches - taken at sunset - the sun broke through for about 30-45
seconds to illuminate the rocks.


Did you find my dark cloth?
I left it about 5 feet from where you were standing.

William Robb

Another damn traitor!

[Graywolf]

I just did a BIN on a used Oylmpus C-5050. That makes me a double traitor. 
Buying a digi-tal, and buying a foreign brand. I have wanted one of these since 
they were anounced but had to wait until I could get it for pocket change. Hey, 
I am buying a camera that is only 3-4 years old, not 50+, but I guess that is 
the same thing in digital.

Oh well!  
--


graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
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PESO - Last Glimmer

[Bruce Dayton]

Arches - taken at sunset - the sun broke through for about 30-45
seconds to illuminate the rocks.

Pentax *istD, DA 16-45/4, Tripod
ISO 400, 1/60 sec @ F/11
Converted from Raw using Capture One LE

http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/monumentvalley_0308.htm

Comments welcome

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce

Re: Don't need no stinkin' filters!

[Bob Sullivan]

Rob,
I think the issue here is using commercial/market tastes as a measure
of artistic merit.  Tastes change, artistic merit is more clearly
identified after some time and perspective of trends is clear.
The second issue that runs thru this thread is an undercurrent of
calling somebody's work junk and saying it won't sell, which I find
insufferably arrogant.
Regards,  Bob S.

On 7/3/05, Rob Studdert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 3 Jul 2005 at 21:30, Graywolf wrote:
> 
> > I think it has more to do with he's dead. He didn't produce any duplicates.
> > There are a very limited number of his paintings available. In fact if it 
> > is an
> > original Van Gogh it does not matter whether it is good or not, although the
> > better ones do usually sell for a bit more, at least I hope so .
> 
> Exactly, its a really bad example for this discussion. The value of VVG art-
> works as art has been far exceeded as its value as an investment, if fact I'd
> bet the people who have been pointed towards this type of investment would buy
> one regardless of what was painted on the canvas.
> 
> 
> Rob Studdert
> HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
> Tel +61-2-9554-4110
> UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
> Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
> 
>

Re: Peso - Park Avenue

[Bruce Dayton]

Thanks Jack.  As for uploading, I use BreezeBrowser Pro to generate
the gallery and upload it to my own site through FTP.

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Sunday, July 3, 2005, 5:02:49 PM, you wrote:

JD> Bruce,
JD> Imposing shot angle. Well done.
JD> Shadows reveal sufficient detail so as not to add too
JD> much right side weight.
JD> When there, I concentrated on gaining elevation to
JD> convey the sweep of it all. Didn't succeed.
JD> What upload service do you use. Clean and simple.

JD> Jack





JD>  
JD> Yahoo! Sports 
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Re: fixing an A 50mm f1.4

[Graywolf]

A piece of thin shim stock to hold the ball in while sliding the ring over it 
might help.

graywolf
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Re: Don't need no stinkin' filters!

[Rob Studdert]

On 3 Jul 2005 at 21:30, Graywolf wrote:

> I think it has more to do with he's dead. He didn't produce any duplicates.
> There are a very limited number of his paintings available. In fact if it is 
> an
> original Van Gogh it does not matter whether it is good or not, although the
> better ones do usually sell for a bit more, at least I hope so .

Exactly, its a really bad example for this discussion. The value of VVG art-
works as art has been far exceeded as its value as an investment, if fact I'd 
bet the people who have been pointed towards this type of investment would buy 
one regardless of what was painted on the canvas.


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: Don't need no stinkin' filters!

[Graywolf]

It is just like all the others that have sold!

graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
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Shel Belinkoff wrote:

How does one know that something will sell until it sells?

Shel 





[Original Message]
From: Herb Chong 




did i say that it had to have been sold? i said that it will sell.

Herb




- Original Message - 
From: "Bob W" 



And you think a photo that will sell, has? You're talking out of your 
arse.









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Re: Don't need no stinkin' filters!

[Graywolf]

I think it has more to do with he's dead. He didn't produce any duplicates. There are 
a very limited number of his paintings available. In fact if it is an original Van 
Gogh it does not matter whether it is good or not, although the better ones do 
usually sell for a bit more, at least I hope so .

graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
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Bob Sullivan wrote:

Let me connect the dots for you Herb.
You have said, if it doesn't sell, it is junk.
I have pointed out that Vincent Van Gogh didn't sell during his lifetime.
By your logic, his paintings were junk.
But as luck would have it, taste changed (got better to my eye),
and Vincent's paintings are now worth millions.

So I would generalize and say that depending on current public taste
to 'sell' anything as a judge for it's artistic merit or overall worth
is a slippery slope to be standing on.  You might want to move to
firmer footing.

Regards,  Bob S.

On 7/2/05, Herb Chong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


pretty good counter example to your position since people pay millions for a
Van Gogh now.

Herb
- Original Message -
From: "Bob Sullivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: Don't need no stinkin' filters!




Vincent Van Gogh didn't sell to many paintings during his lifetime.
There is an old Latin phrase which translates,
There is no accounting for taste.










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Re: AA v Proprietory Batteries

[John Francis]

On Sun, Jul 03, 2005 at 09:22:24PM -0400, Graywolf wrote:
> Been looking at some older diggies on eBay. Just noticed that if you buy an 
> older camera that uses proprietory batteries you get the same capacity as 
> came with the camera when it was new, if you can find new batteries at all. 
> If it uses AA batteries you can get the latest 2500ma batteries instead of 
> the 850ma ones that came with the camera. Looks like Pentax did the right 
> thing again.

With an older digital I'd be more worried about availablity than capacity.
For a while it looked as though Canon had settled on a standard battery;
my PowerShot G1 took the same batteries as the contemporary high-end DSLRs.
But nowadays it almost seems as though every camera uses a unique battery,
which will probably be hard to find five years from now.

AA v Proprietory Batteries

[Graywolf]

Been looking at some older diggies on eBay. Just noticed that if you buy an 
older camera that uses proprietory batteries you get the same capacity as came 
with the camera when it was new, if you can find new batteries at all. If it 
uses AA batteries you can get the latest 2500ma batteries instead of the 850ma 
ones that came with the camera. Looks like Pentax did the right thing again.

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Re: Beyond the Dark Side

[Graywolf]

Har, har, har. Another Real Photographer* on the list.

*Real Photographers use a Speed Graphic

If you haven't check out my Press Camera site it is
http://presscameras.graywolfphoto.com/index.html

graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
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Bob Blakely wrote:

I have discovered... Graflex! Someone gave me a little Century Graphic with
a 6x7 120 roll back. It's fun and it draws attention. Well, to the 
addicted,

it just couldn't stop there, so then came the miniature Pacemaker, the 4x5
pacemaker, the 4x5 Crown the military 4x5 KE-12(1) and the 4x5 PH-47-J -
both in complete kits with flashes (lightsabers to you Star Wars fans),
filters, lens shades, Wooden tripods, 4x5 film holders, etc. Then there's
all the accoutrements one must have like Polaroid backs, extra lenses,
infinity stops, distance scales, viewfinder masks, lens boards, etc. ...Not
to mention a graphlarger back and flat field enlarging lens that turns the
camera into an enlarger!

Restoration is fun! I've already completely stripped the Century Graphic,
cleaned, polished and lubricated everything, replaced the half-silvered
mirror in the Kalart rangefinder and replaced the "leatherette" with real
leather (deep burgundy), polished every little scratch out of the
"mahogonite" body and added a Graflex XL handle.

Regards,
Bob...
-
"The art of taxation consists in so plucking the goose
as to obtain the largest possible amount of feathers
with the smallest possible amount of hissing."
- Jean-Baptiste Colbert,
  minister of finance to French King Louis XIV




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Re: Don't need no stinkin' filters!

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Bob W"

Subject: RE: Don't need no stinkin' filters!

I don't know if you deliberately misread my post, or have decided to become 
obtuse all of a sudden.




Herb's comment was "a photo that won't sell has not passed tests of
composition, exposure and originality".


I still don't see where this statement is wrong, excepting the occassional 
bad photo that depicts something so important that it will sell no matter 
what.
If a photo is badly composed, poorly exposed and not original, do you really 
think it is going to sell?




Composition, at least, is an aesthetic criterion, not a commercial one.
Originality and exposure are not commercial criteria either. One is
technical, the other is historical.


At what point did I say otherwise?



Commercial quality really has nothing to do with any of the 3 factors that
Herb mentioned.


Commercial quality certainly does. An exposure that is so technically bad 
that a recognizable print can't be made from it isn't going to sell, if the 
composition is esthetically challenged beyond redemption, it isn't going to 
sell.
Originality is the exception, as people tend to migrate to what the rest of 
the herd is doing, and generally buy the same bland pap that their peer 
group is buying.
Even at that, an original take on an overdone to death subject will likely 
sell better than a picture that is the same as the thousands of others that 
depict the same subject.


Pornography is the big exception, pretty much anything pornographic will 
sell to someone.




The statement also clearly implies that the only way to test these 
criteria

is to see if the photo sells, which is horseshit of the first order.


The statement clearly says that a photo that won't sell hasn't met certain 
criteria.
Whether it may sell or not is another story, since not all salable photos 
are put up for sale.


William Robb

--


--
Cheers,
Bob


>
> It must be a very bleak experience to inhabit a mind that
thinks sales are
> a
> measure of aesthetic quality.

I think it's more a measure of commercial quality.
Why is this criteria any less valid than any other?

Re: PESO II

[Lasse Karlsson]

From: "Joseph Tainter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 9:18 PM
Subject: PESO II


> Here's another version of my Branderburg Gate photo:
> 
> http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/cat/374/display/3457486
> 
> Does anyone think it looks better? The sun appears large because it was 
> diffused through clouds.

I like watching both pictures.
However to me they are two distinctively different pictures, why the "it" 
doesn't really apply, in my mind.
The first one, with the yellow tint(?) reminds me of early-mid 20th century 
weekly magazine prints. Maybe that's why I also pondered a bit about what text 
could go in the dark lower right area

For the second one, I think that I may have tried a closer crop, bringing out 
and focusing more on the silhouettes of the horses. I think I also would have 
cropped the top down to the lining of the sun.
But then again, I really don't know what picture or impact you have in mind.

(I also saw Shel's rework of the second one. That's an interesting and a good 
third take of the scene. However, it doesn't seem to be what you were aiming 
for in your pictures, or I guess you would have presented them in that way.)

Thanks,
Lasse

> Thanks to Bruce and Shel for comments on the earlier one.
> 
> Here's the earlier one:
> 
> http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/cat/374/display/3456806
> 
> Joe

Re: Peso - Park Avenue

[Jack Davis]

Bruce,
Imposing shot angle. Well done.
Shadows reveal sufficient detail so as not to add too
much right side weight.
When there, I concentrated on gaining elevation to
convey the sweep of it all. Didn't succeed.
What upload service do you use. Clean and simple.

Jack





 
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Re: PESO - Brooding land

[brooksdj]

Stunning.

The light is perfect. Just a hint in the shadows to see whats going on.

I have this lens to Bruce. Must be broken.LOL

Dave

  

> This was taken around sunset in Arches.  It 
is kind of interesting
> because you actually can shoot towards the sunset or away from it -
> very different effects.  This was taken towards the sun.  I think the
> haze that was mentioned in the last PESO was probably quite present
> here as well, but I like the effect - sort of gives it an other
> worldly feeling.
> 
> Pentax *istD, A 70-210/4, handheld, no filtration
> 
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/monumentvalley_0312.htm
> 
> Comments welcome
> 
> -- 
> Bruce
> 

Paw: Eric invades my flower shot

[brooksdj]

Hey Gang.

Giving my GFM shots a week off. Cannot decide, more deer or eagles.

I submit this for your dining and dancing pleasure.

http://photobucket.com/albums/v408/divad_b/?action=view¤t=eric_2260.jpg

I stopped off at the horse farm a few weeks ago to try and get some baby 
Trumpeter Swan
shots, but
they were snoozing so i went for a walk.

Found this nice flower, so i got set up for a close up. Just as i went to trip 
the
shutter, Eric
flew into the shot. He's a bit OOF but i like the way he seems suspended in 
front of the
flowers.

Go ahead. Hammer away.:-)

Oh and Happy Cnada Day and Happy 4th of July Ya'll:-)


Dave

istD with SMC A 70-210 hand held. Tv and Av forgotten.

Dave
 

RE: Any free online course/tutorials about Photoshop (and co.) ?

[Markus Maurer]

Hi Albano
that's an extremely useful link for me.
thanks a lot.
greetings
Markus

>>Lots of great tutorials and actions here:
>>http://www.shanzcan.com/photoshopahol.html
>>Regards
>>
>>Albano
>
>>

RE: PESO - kite festival stuff

[Shel Belinkoff]

  Cool!

We have a kite festival here, as well, with very similar kites.

http://home.earthlink.net/~pdml-pics/kite_watch.html

What's F11?

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: mike wilson 

> You might have to f11 the page to get all of some of them on screen.  My 
> apologies.
>
> http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/529253/display/3459221
> http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/529253/display/3459188 (scary)
> http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/529253/display/3459180
> http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/529253/display/3459171

Re: PESO Day :Lilies (another *&^%#$ flower picture)

[brooksdj]

Peter.

I like the angle you have shot them on, against the black background. 

Very nice.

Light seems abit harsh,but that could just be at my end here.

They look a lot like what we call "Tiger  Lilies"

Dave

> With all the flower photos lately I 
thought I'd contribute one.
> 
> http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/PESO_--_daylilies.html
> 
> Equipment.  Pentax *ist-D  Vivitar 35-85mm f2.8 Varifocus
> 
> As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.
> 
> -- 
> When you're worried or in doubt, 
>   Run in circles, (scream and shout).
> 

Re: PESO - kite festival stuff

[brooksdj]

Hi Mike.
Nice group of shots.
I like the octopus shot with the aray of tiny kits in the background.

Dave  

> A small selection from this weekend's 
fun.
> 
> You might have to f11 the page to get all of some of them on screen.  My 
> apologies.
> 
> http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/529253/display/3459221
> http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/529253/display/3459188 (scary)
> http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/529253/display/3459180
> http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/529253/display/3459171
> 

Re: GESO: Copenhagen Jazz Festival 2005

[brooksdj]

> The festival started last Friday, 
July 1st.
> Yesterday I got a lot of bad shot because I forgot to use shutter priority.

That happened to me Friday at a personal equine shoot. Av not Tv.

> That the reason for the B&W photogs.

Those are both very nice.

> Today I remembered. Speeds slower than 1/320s is not fast enough. Plese
> notice that the SMC-F 4-5.6/70-210mm is a nice, sharp lens. The M 4/200m is
> not to bad either.

Good to hear, and i like those colour shots. Very nice Sir.

Dave
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/sets/536773/show/
> 
> Jens Bladt
> Arkitekt MAA
> http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
> 

Re: PESO - Park Avenue

[brooksdj]

Hi Bruce.

Just showed this to the SO(and myself). We both love this one.

She just likes it.

I like how you have used the cliffs?(not sure how you describe these) as a 
frame and how
they seem
to just disappear into the horizon. 

Lovely blue sky, and the shadow deatil is very good.

Great job again.

Dave

> Another of the Southern Utah Trip.  Taken in 
Arches in the morning in
> an area called Park Avenue - hence the PESO name.
> 
> Pentax *istD, DA 16-45/4, Handheld, Polarizer
> ISO 200, 1/125 sec @ f/8
> Converted from Raw using Capture One
> 
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/monumentvalley_0165.htm
> 
> Comments welcome
> 
> -- 
> Best regards,
> Bruce
> 

RE: PESO: Comments/Suggestions Requested

[brooksdj]

Hi Joe

I like these types of photos very much. The bit of tilt work well and the 
degree of sun
you have
choicen is fine.
The only thing i could add is if the statues and building were more darker to 
add a more
silloete look.

Very nice anyway.

Dave

> 
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Joseph Tainter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: 
> > Date: 7/3/2005 9:56:43 AM
> > Subject: PESO: Comments/Suggestions Requested
> >
> > http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/cat/374/display/3456806
> >
> > All is explained below the photo.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Joe
> 
> 

Re: My dragonfly...

[brooksdj]

I like it very much Fred.

Nice colours and the angle is intriging.

Spent some time in the back yard looking for bugs today, but they must be away 
for the
long weekend.:-)

Dave

> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Fred Widall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 11:43 AM
> Subject: PESO: My dragonfly...
> 
> 
> > Being inspired by Mark's stunning images I thought I'd
> > try some bug shots myself. I wandered around the small
> > park behind my house and came across this guy, who was
> > kind enough to stay in one place long enough for me to
> > take a few shots.
> >
> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/fwwidall/23042647/
> >
> > Nowhere close to Mark's work but a reasonable first
> > attempt. Wish I could persuade them to pose with open
> > wings like Mark does .
> >
> > Pentax *istDS, Super Takumar 200mm, 56mm extension tubes,
> > 1/400, F8, ISO200, handheld.
> >
> > --
> > Fred Widall,
> > Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > URL: http://www.ist.uwaterloo.ca/~fwwidall
> > Images: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fwwidall/
> > --
> > 
> 

RE: Any free online course/tutorials about Photoshop (and co.) ?

[Albano Garcia]

Lots of great tutorials and actions here:
http://www.shanzcan.com/photoshopahol.html
Regards

Albano

--- Jens Bladt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Thanks a lot Cotty - brilliant!
> Jens
> 
> Jens Bladt
> Arkitekt MAA
> http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
> 
> 
> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
> Fra: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sendt: 2. juli 2005 12:59
> Til: pentax list
> Emne: Re: Any free online course/tutorials about
> Photoshop (and co.) ?
> 
> 
> On 2/7/05, Thibouille, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
> >Dunno much about Photoshop except resizing and such
> but would really
> >like to learn how to get my photos even better...
> 
> 
> En Francais:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
>   Cotty
> 
> 
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> 
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Re: PESO: Out of time

[Albano Garcia]

Thanks Boris for your comments.
Regards

Albano

--- Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> > Hi gang,
> >
>
http://www.flaneur.albanogarcia.com.ar/?p=91#comments
> > 
> > Comments (here and/or on website) welcome
> > Regards
> 
> I think that the cat looking down and "Gracias!" on
> the top right 
> complete the shot. I would consider to crop a bit on
> the left, so that 
> no incomplete cloth-stand parts would be in the
> frame.
> 
> It is the picture which would make stop and think if
> I saw it on the 
> wall printed large.
> 
> Boris
> 
> 


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Re: PESO - kite festival stuff

[Cotty]

On 3/7/05, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed:

>A small selection from this weekend's fun.
>
>You might have to f11 the page to get all of some of them on screen.  My 
>apologies.
>
>http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/529253/display/3459221
>http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/529253/display/3459188 (scary)
>http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/529253/display/3459180
>http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/529253/display/3459171

Nice pics Mike. What does f11 do??




Cheers,
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Re: GESO: Copenhagen Jazz Festival 2005

[Paul Stenquist]

Nice. Some good moments here.
Paul
On Jul 3, 2005, at 5:18 PM, Jens Bladt wrote:


The festival started last Friday, July 1st.
Yesterday I got a lot of bad shot because I forgot to use shutter 
priority.

That the reason for the B&W photogs.
Today I remembered. Speeds slower than 1/320s is not fast enough. Plese
notice that the SMC-F 4-5.6/70-210mm is a nice, sharp lens. The M 
4/200m is

not to bad either.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/sets/536773/show/

Jens Bladt
Arkitekt MAA
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt

Re: PESO - kite festival stuff

[Paul Stenquist]

Great Gecko.
On Jul 3, 2005, at 5:11 PM, mike wilson wrote:


A small selection from this weekend's fun.

You might have to f11 the page to get all of some of them on screen.  
My apologies.


http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/529253/display/3459221
http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/529253/display/3459188 
(scary)

http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/529253/display/3459180
http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/529253/display/3459171

Re: OT: Epson 890 in Mac OS 10.4-- Print Center/ Dialog box can't be found...

[Paul Stenquist]

Look in your utilities folder. You'll find "Printer Setup Utility." 
This allows you to add or subtract printers and name a default printer. 
While prining, a print monitor utility should appear in your dock. That 
utility allows you to turn the printer off and on, pause it, etc.

Paul

On Jul 3, 2005, at 5:01 PM, Sid Barras wrote:


Hi Gang,
I turn to the pentax group because I know many of us us Macs, and 
print from Epson printers.


I no longer seem to have access to the printer during printing. I 
recall that in earlier versions of OS X, that in system preferences 
there was a control panel called "print center" that functioned like 
the "epson print monitor" of OS 9. I needed to stop a photo I was 
printing because I had set up the wrong page size, and the printer was 
spraying ink all over where there was no paper during the process. But 
try as I might, there was no way to stop it, because there was no 
"print center" or epson print monitor to call up.


I tried reinstalling the PIM and the printer drivers, but to no avail. 
Perhaps go back to the CD ROM that came with the printer? (Hope I know 
where it still is...)


Any experience with my problem would be very appreciated.

Sid B from the Cajun heartland; where these summer days are 95°F, and 
80% humidity, and the nights are 80°F and equally sweltering humidity. 
Brutal even for the most hardened veterans. My orchids are complaining 
loudly...

GESO: Copenhagen Jazz Festival 2005

[Jens Bladt]

The festival started last Friday, July 1st.
Yesterday I got a lot of bad shot because I forgot to use shutter priority.
That the reason for the B&W photogs.
Today I remembered. Speeds slower than 1/320s is not fast enough. Plese
notice that the SMC-F 4-5.6/70-210mm is a nice, sharp lens. The M 4/200m is
not to bad either.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/sets/536773/show/

Jens Bladt
Arkitekt MAA
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt

PESO - kite festival stuff

[mike wilson]

A small selection from this weekend's fun.

You might have to f11 the page to get all of some of them on screen.  My 
apologies.


http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/529253/display/3459221
http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/529253/display/3459188 (scary)
http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/529253/display/3459180
http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/529253/display/3459171

Re: PESO: The Nabours Harley

[mike wilson]

Mark Roberts wrote:


mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



I like two strokes, too.



Q: How can you tell an RD-350 rider?

A: By the scratches on the shin bar of his helmet... from where the
steering stem nut keeps hitting it. ;-)

I thought it was the racing crouch at the bar and the constant 
"BRRRIG, ding, ding, ding" noises.  Oh, sorry, that's MZ riders. 8-)

Re: PDML Bergen Brygge, Norway (was RE: GESO: Aker Brygge, Oslo, Norway)

[mike wilson]

Jostein wrote:


Mike and Tim,

If we settle for FBPDML, I'm with you.
According to Slartibartfast, the Bits were not Twiddly, but Fiddly...:-)


OK.  Shame on me.



Cheers,
Jostein


- Original Message - From: "mike wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: PDML Bergen Brygge, Norway (was RE: GESO: Aker Brygge, 
Oslo, Norway)




Tim Øsleby wrote:


Jostein. I can comfort you telling you was not the only one not
understanding TBPDML. (Havent read the Guide in English, just in 
Norwegian).


But now knowing what it means I find the name brilliant Mike. 
Christening the "baby" is a giant step towards a real life Twiddly Bits

PDML.



Glad you've taken it in the spirit intended.  Feel free to use it 
henceforth.  8-  I hope to be at the first.  Maybe we can entice 
Paal down from his eyrie.




Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian.)

Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds (Very 
freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)



-Original Message-
From: mike wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 3. juli 2005 
19:17

To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: PDML Bergen Brygge, Norway (was RE: GESO: Aker Brygge, 
Oslo,

Norway)

Jostein wrote:


- Original Message - From: "mike wilson" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



That's TBPDML




Okay, I give up. What's the T and the B?

Jostein





Twiddly Bits.  Shame on you 8-

GESO A couple more day lillies and a monarda (sp?)

[Paul Sorenson]

My SO's the gardener - I just try to occasionally record her results.

http://www.studio1941.com/geso/index.htm

-P

OT: Epson 890 in Mac OS 10.4-- Print Center/ Dialog box can't be found...

[Sid Barras]

Hi Gang,
I turn to the pentax group because I know many of us us Macs, and  
print from Epson printers.


I no longer seem to have access to the printer during printing. I  
recall that in earlier versions of OS X, that in system preferences  
there was a control panel called "print center" that functioned like  
the "epson print monitor" of OS 9. I needed to stop a photo I was  
printing because I had set up the wrong page size, and the printer  
was spraying ink all over where there was no paper during the  
process. But try as I might, there was no way to stop it, because  
there was no "print center" or epson print monitor to call up.


I tried reinstalling the PIM and the printer drivers, but to no  
avail. Perhaps go back to the CD ROM that came with the printer?  
(Hope I know where it still is...)


Any experience with my problem would be very appreciated.

Sid B from the Cajun heartland; where these summer days are 95°F, and  
80% humidity, and the nights are 80°F and equally sweltering  
humidity. Brutal even for the most hardened veterans. My orchids are  
complaining loudly...

Re: PESO & GESO

[Jorn Ostergaard]

Take a look at this:
http://www.graywolfphoto.com/pentax/pdml-faq.html


I have. Thanks.

/Jorn



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Re: PESO & GESO

[Jorn Ostergaard]

Hi!


What is PESO ?
What is GESO ?


Picture Every So Often
Gallery Every So Often

Boris


OK, thanks,

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Re: PESO: The Nabours Harley

[Mark Roberts]

mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I like two strokes, too.

Q: How can you tell an RD-350 rider?

A: By the scratches on the shin bar of his helmet... from where the
steering stem nut keeps hitting it. ;-)

-- 
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Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com

Re: PESO: The Nabours Harley

[Mark Roberts]

"William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>From: "Mark Roberts" 
>
>> mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>>>Now we know:  Mark Roberts _is_ the Crazy Frog!!!
>> 
>> I think I'm missing some point of reference here (or at least I hope I
>> am!)
>> Crazy frog?
>
>Don't worry Mark. Anyone who actually meets you won't confuse the accent.

Oh mais oui!

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com

PESO -- Bear. Comments/suggestions appreciated.

[Jorn Ostergaard]

Hey All

A picture taken i Copenhagen Zoo

http://www.fotokritik.dk/kritik.html?pic=160448

Comments/suggestions appreciated.

Pentax *istDS, SMC 100-300, Handheld,  ISO 200, 1/250 sec @ f/8, no filter 
used. no afterprocessing other than resizing.


/Jorn 


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Re: Don't need no stinkin' filters!

[Mark Roberts]

"William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>From: "Mishka" 
>
>> cheap consumer junk far outsells anything else. especially
>> here, in us.
>
>That speaks more to cultural values than it does to any other qualifer.

Monetary values, too: More people can afford cheap consumer junk that
good art.

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Photography and writing
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Re: PDML Bergen Brygge, Norway (was RE: GESO: Aker Brygge, Oslo, Norway)

[Jostein]

Mike and Tim,

If we settle for FBPDML, I'm with you.
According to Slartibartfast, the Bits were not Twiddly, but 
Fiddly...:-)


Cheers,
Jostein


- Original Message - 
From: "mike wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: PDML Bergen Brygge, Norway (was RE: GESO: Aker Brygge, 
Oslo, Norway)




Tim Øsleby wrote:


Jostein. I can comfort you telling you was not the only one not
understanding TBPDML. (Havent read the Guide in English, just in 
Norwegian).


But now knowing what it means I find the name brilliant Mike. 
Christening the "baby" is a giant step towards a real life Twiddly 
Bits

PDML.


Glad you've taken it in the spirit intended.  Feel free to use it 
henceforth.  8-  I hope to be at the first.  Maybe we can entice 
Paal down from his eyrie.




Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian.)

Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds (Very 
freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)



-Original Message-
From: mike wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 3. juli 
2005 19:17

To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: PDML Bergen Brygge, Norway (was RE: GESO: Aker Brygge, 
Oslo,

Norway)

Jostein wrote:


- Original Message - From: "mike wilson" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



That's TBPDML



Okay, I give up. What's the T and the B?

Jostein





Twiddly Bits.  Shame on you 8-

Re: PESO Day :Lilies (another *&^%#$ flower picture)

[Paul Stenquist]

I like this. Nice composition.
On Jul 3, 2005, at 4:06 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:


With all the flower photos lately I thought I'd contribute one.

http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/PESO_--_daylilies.html

Equipment.  Pentax *ist-D  Vivitar 35-85mm f2.8 Varifocus

As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.

--
When you're worried or in doubt,Run in circles, (scream and shout).

Re: PESO II

[Paul Stenquist]

I assume that Joe intended it as a silhouette. I prefer it as such, but 
others, of course, may not.

Paul
On Jul 3, 2005, at 3:08 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:


http://home.earthlink.net/~pdml-pics/gate.html

Your pic looks too dark - very close to a true silhouette - and 
there's no
detail in the gate on my monitor.  I opened things up a bit, increased 
the

contrast on the gate to accentuate the detail a bit, and gave the pic a
warm tone, kind of like having been printed on Portriga Rapid Grade #3
developed in Selectol ;-))

I could see using the high pass filter or emboss techniques for 
sharpening

up the gate and bringing out a little more detail.

Shel



[Original Message]
From: Joseph Tainter



Here's another version of my Branderburg Gate photo:

http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/cat/374/display/3457486

Does anyone think it looks better? The sun appears large because it 
was

diffused through clouds.

Re: PDML Bergen Brygge, Norway (was RE: GESO: Aker Brygge, Oslo, Norway)

[mike wilson]

Tim Øsleby wrote:


Jostein. I can comfort you telling you was not the only one not
understanding TBPDML. (Havent read the Guide in English, just in Norwegian).

But now knowing what it means I find the name brilliant Mike. 
Christening the "baby" is a giant step towards a real life Twiddly Bits
PDML. 


Glad you've taken it in the spirit intended.  Feel free to use it 
henceforth.  8-  I hope to be at the first.  Maybe we can entice 
Paal down from his eyrie.




Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian.)

Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds 
(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)



-Original Message-
From: mike wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 3. juli 2005 19:17

To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: PDML Bergen Brygge, Norway (was RE: GESO: Aker Brygge, Oslo,
Norway)

Jostein wrote:



- Original Message - From: "mike wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


That's TBPDML



Okay, I give up. What's the T and the B?

Jostein





Twiddly Bits.  Shame on you 8-

Re: PESO: Comments/Suggestions Requested

[Paul Stenquist]

Very nice. Dramatic, interesting shot.
Paul
On Jul 3, 2005, at 12:55 PM, Joseph Tainter wrote:


http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/cat/374/display/3456806

All is explained below the photo.

Thanks,

Joe

Re: PESO - double-exposed poppy

[mike wilson]

Jostein wrote:



- Original Message - From: "mike wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/cat/3536/display/3456161

How far out-of-focus?  The previous examples of this that I have seen 
have had a definite impression of the oof part.  Yours has just the 
faintest trace.



Um... Focal distance to the poppy was in the range of 90-120 cm I guess.
OOF must have been about half of that. I just played 'til I liked what I 
saw in the viewfinder.


I was kind of disappointed about how faint it turned out, so there again 
is another variable to control for in further experiments.


I rather like it.  As I said, it's not what I've usually seen in this 
type of shot.  So it's par for the course for a Jostein photo 8-)




Thanks for looking, Mike.

Jostein

PESO -- Night Lights

[P. J. Alling]

http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/PESO_--_nightlights.html

Equipment:

Pentax *ist-D SMC/Pentax 43mm Ltd.

As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.

--
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	Run in circles, (scream and shout).

PESO Day :Lilies (another *&^%#$ flower picture)

[P. J. Alling]

With all the flower photos lately I thought I'd contribute one.

http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/PESO_--_daylilies.html

Equipment.  Pentax *ist-D  Vivitar 35-85mm f2.8 Varifocus

As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.

--
When you're worried or in doubt, 
	Run in circles, (scream and shout).

RE: PDML Bergen Brygge, Norway (was RE: GESO: Aker Brygge, Oslo, Norway)

[Tim Øsleby]

Jostein. I can comfort you telling you was not the only one not
understanding TBPDML. (Havent read the Guide in English, just in Norwegian).

But now knowing what it means I find the name brilliant Mike. 
Christening the "baby" is a giant step towards a real life Twiddly Bits
PDML. 

Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian.)

Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds 
(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)


-Original Message-
From: mike wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 3. juli 2005 19:17
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: PDML Bergen Brygge, Norway (was RE: GESO: Aker Brygge, Oslo,
Norway)

Jostein wrote:

> 
> - Original Message - From: "mike wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
>>
>> That's TBPDML
> 
> 
> Okay, I give up. What's the T and the B?
> 
> Jostein
> 
> 
> 
Twiddly Bits.  Shame on you 8-

RE: Recomendations on where to upload public images

[Tim Øsleby]

Thanks a lot guys for all the positive and good ideas on this subject. 
I have got a lot of recommendations on useful pay sites, and some on (not so
good) free sites. For the moment I think I'll settle with one of the free
sites. 

In future I believe I will go for a full membership on the site I have been
using. Or I'll build my own solution as some of you have suggested. I have
been doing some good old fashioned HTML, and am in a process of learning
PHP/MySql programming, and learning CSS styling. The thing is, if making my
own site I will not settle with a simple plain solution anymore, so this
will be a very time consuming project. As far as I know, my ISP provider
online.no, does not allow PHP/MySql.

In fact, I've got my own site www.ethnobase.org even though it is down at
the moment. This is not a site dedicated to photo. It is dedicated to ethnic
music from around the globe. While running I had some concert galleries up.
Now I am in a process of rewriting it, making it more user friendly and
making visitors able to upload their own contributions. If I decide to make
my own solution, I will probably finish this first, and then recirculate the
solutions from this project in a dedicated photo site. Decisions,
decisions...

A mixed solution might be another, even better solution. Making a site
dedicated my own (and perhaps fellow PDML'ers) work, and still to upload
some pictures in one of the "communities" you have suggested. 

While waiting for my mind to settle, I'll just upload at a free site, and
"using" you freaks to get the feedback I want/need ;-)

Right now, I am working on converting my so called "street shots".


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian.)

Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds 
(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)

Re: PESO & GESO

[Joaquim Carvalho]

Boris Liberman wrote:


What is PESO ?
What is GESO ?


Picture Every So Often
Gallery Every So Often


I thought Peso some place in Mexico where some of you had been taking 
pictures :)

...well, I'm new to this list

Re: Don't need no stinkin' filters!

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Mishka" 
Subject: Re: Don't need no stinkin' filters!




cheap consumer junk far outsells anything else. especially
here, in us.


That speaks more to cultural values than it does to any other qualifer.

William Robb

RE: PESO II

[Shel Belinkoff]

http://home.earthlink.net/~pdml-pics/gate.html

Your pic looks too dark - very close to a true silhouette - and there's no
detail in the gate on my monitor.  I opened things up a bit, increased the
contrast on the gate to accentuate the detail a bit, and gave the pic a
warm tone, kind of like having been printed on Portriga Rapid Grade #3
developed in Selectol ;-))

I could see using the high pass filter or emboss techniques for sharpening
up the gate and bringing out a little more detail.

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Joseph Tainter 

> Here's another version of my Branderburg Gate photo:
>
> http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/cat/374/display/3457486
>
> Does anyone think it looks better? The sun appears large because it was 
> diffused through clouds.

Edsel was : stinkin' filters!

[SonC]

Compared to many other cars of the time they  were like spaceships, Ford 
rushed them to production, as they wanted the dealers  to have a full allotment 
before the model year announcement, so some of the  first ones were assembled 
on 
the lines in between Fords, hence some suffered  from fit and finish 
problems, (barely different from other US models at the  time.) 

It was a slightly upscale car, above a Ford and below a Mercury,  and it came 
as we were falling into a recession.  I was just a kid (but a  car nut) when 
it came out, and remember marveling at it at the Louisiana State  Fair in 
1957.  Loved those transmission pushbuttons in the middle of the  steering 
wheel.


Regards,  
Sonny
http://www.sonc.com
Natchitoches, Louisiana
Oldest continuous  settlement in La Louisiane
égalité, liberté,  crawfish





In a message dated 7/3/2005 12:09:02 P.M.  Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
They were never junk  excatly, just ahead of their time, or maybe out 
side of their time and  weirdly styled. 

William Robb wrote:

>
> - Original  Message - From: "Paul Stenquist" Subject: Re: Don't 
> need no  stinkin' filters!
>
>
>>
>> On Jul 2, 2005, at  5:50 PM, William Robb wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I  wonder what a factory original, mint condition Edsel would go for  
>>> these days?
>>
>
>>
>> About  25,000.
>
>
>
> Are they still junk? Or have the years  been kind?
>
> William Robb  

RE: Don't need no stinkin' filters!

[Bob W]

Herb's comment was "a photo that won't sell has not passed tests of
composition, exposure and originality". 

Composition, at least, is an aesthetic criterion, not a commercial one.
Originality and exposure are not commercial criteria either. One is
technical, the other is historical.

Commercial quality really has nothing to do with any of the 3 factors that
Herb mentioned. 

The statement also clearly implies that the only way to test these criteria
is to see if the photo sells, which is horseshit of the first order.

--
Cheers,
 Bob 

> >
> > It must be a very bleak experience to inhabit a mind that 
> thinks sales are 
> > a
> > measure of aesthetic quality.
> 
> I think it's more a measure of commercial quality.
> Why is this criteria any less valid than any other?
> 

Re: PESO - double-exposed poppy

[Jostein]

Thanks, Shel

Yes, I'm familiar with the Multiply trick. :-)
The suggestion you sent me looked very reasonable.
However, I suspect that the hot petal in this case is mostly caused by 
the way the multi-exposure is carried out. I'm in the process of doing 
some further experiments under more controlled conditions now. From 
the camera preview it seems to confirm my suspicion. I will carry on 
my investigations tomorrow. Some guests just tumbled in...:-)


Cheers,
Jostein

- Original Message - 
From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: PESO - double-exposed poppy



Jostein,

Duplicate the image - make a background copy in the layers palette. 
Change
the blending mode to Multiply. The image will get perceptibly 
darker.  Then
use the opacity slider to adjust how dark you'd like the image - try 
around
50% for starter and move up/down from there. You may be pleased with 
the

result ...

Shel



[Original Message]
From: Jostein

]

I think you're right that the over-exposure did something to the
rendering of colours. I looked into increasing the saturation, but 
the

red channel is close to saturated to begin with, even with the
washed-out look.
I'm not sure if DOF control is very easy with the *istD variant of
MultiExposure, but I may give it a shot. Or in this case at least
two... Thanks for the tip. :-)   In the poppy-shot, the focal plane 
of

the OOF shot is closer to the camera, and thus did nothing to the
background.

Jostein

- Original Message - 
From: "Bruce Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Jostein" 
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 6:51 PM
Subject: Re: PESO - double-exposed poppy


> This one just seems a bit too washed out looking to me - probably
> due
> to the over exposure part of the double.  I'd like to see more
> examples of this technique as I have heard about doing double
> exposures to render backgrounds differently.
>
> -- 
> Best regards,

> Bruce
>
>
> Sunday, July 3, 2005, 8:35:45 AM, you wrote:
>
> J> Poppies are rare at home, so I made my best effort to shoot 
> them

> in
> J> Denmark.
>
> J> Here's a slightly different take on 'em, an in-camera double
> exposure.
>
> J> http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/cat/3536/display/3456161
>
> J> The in-focus part was shot according to the light meter, the
> J> out-of-focus one was 1 stop overexposed.
>
> J> *istD with FA-100/2.8 macro.
>
> J> Most happy to read comments on this experiment.
>
> J> Thanks for looking.
>
> J> Jostein
>
>
>

Re: PESO II

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!


Here's another version of my Branderburg Gate photo:

http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/cat/374/display/3457486

Does anyone think it looks better? The sun appears large because it was 
diffused through clouds.


Thanks to Bruce and Shel for comments on the earlier one.

Here's the earlier one:

http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/cat/374/display/3456806


I think I like the sepia toned one better. I cannot explain that really, 
 but for me the sepia tone and colored sun are more natural...


Just my pixels worth.

Boris

Re: PESO: Comments/Suggestions Requested

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!


http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/cat/374/display/3456806

All is explained below the photo.


What is particularly striking, at least to me, is that Sun does not 
appear round.


Otherwise, I rather like this picture. It is, how to put it, unusual!

Boris

PESO II

[Joseph Tainter]

Here's another version of my Branderburg Gate photo:

http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/cat/374/display/3457486

Does anyone think it looks better? The sun appears large because it was 
diffused through clouds.


Thanks to Bruce and Shel for comments on the earlier one.

Here's the earlier one:

http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/cat/374/display/3456806

Joe

Re: fixing an A 50mm f1.4

[Powell Hargrave]

I have used a short piece snipped off of a square cross section elastic
band for a spring.  Cheap, easy to adjust, works well and one band should
give a life time supply.  The only negative I can see is the possibility of
the rubber degrading over time.  
Perhaps an O-ring would be a better choice for spring rubber.  And round too!

Powell


>yesterday I fixed an A 50mm f1.4 lens with a sticky aperture. Now it works 
>fine again. Gee, the A pin took me 2 hours to get back in again. The 
>aperture click ball needs to be spring loaded. I lost the ball and spring in 
>an earlier attempt to fix the lens. I received a new ball and spring from 
>Pentax Netherlands, but the spring was way to long. I didn't see a way to 
>get it not jumping away before closing the lens. Also the ball seemed a bit 
>to large, it didn't fall into the hole where it should go. So I just put it 
>there without the spring, closed the lens and it works. I was worried that 
>the ball might go deeper into the hole thereby loosing the aperture click, 
>but it doesn't.
>
>Frank

RE: PESO & GESO

[Don Sanderson]

Take a look at this:
http://www.graywolfphoto.com/pentax/pdml-faq.html

PESO - Picture Every So Often
GESO - Gallery Every So Often

Don

> -Original Message-
> From: Jorn Ostergaard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 1:00 PM
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: PESO & GESO
>
>
> Hey All
>
> What is PESO ?
> What is GESO ?
>
> /Jorn
>
>
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Re: PESO & GESO

[Jostein]

- Original Message - 
From: "Jorn Ostergaard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



What is PESO ?
What is GESO ?


Hei Jørn,
PESO : Picture Ever So Often
GESO : Gallery Ever So Often

They are acronyms for those of us who can't keep up with the 
regularity of PAW (Picture A Week).


Jostein

Re: PESO & GESO

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!


What is PESO ?
What is GESO ?


Picture Every So Often
Gallery Every So Often

Boris

PESO & GESO

[Jorn Ostergaard]

Hey All

What is PESO ?
What is GESO ?

/Jorn


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Re: PESO - double-exposed poppy

[Jostein]

- Original Message - 
From: "mike wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/cat/3536/display/3456161

How far out-of-focus?  The previous examples of this that I have 
seen have had a definite impression of the oof part.  Yours has just 
the faintest trace.


Um... Focal distance to the poppy was in the range of 90-120 cm I 
guess.
OOF must have been about half of that. I just played 'til I liked what 
I saw in the viewfinder.


I was kind of disappointed about how faint it turned out, so there 
again is another variable to control for in further experiments.


Thanks for looking, Mike.

Jostein