Microsoft Digital Image 2006

[Don Williams]

I've been cleaning out here and came across this package that arrived 
with new

versions of XP Pro and MS Office a few weeks ago. I don't know anything
about it. Do any of us know the product or use it? I haven't bothered to 
try it

out and haven't even opened the package. From the blurb on the box it looks
like a product for making slide shows and albums.

Don

--

Dr E D F Williams
www.kolumbus.fi/mimosa/
personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams/
41660 TOIVAKKA – Finland - +358400706616

Re: no messages...

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Apr 28, 2006, at 9:11 AM, graywolf wrote:
Hum...? Seems like it would be just as easy to set up a filter to  
strip the html code from the message


It's actually somewhat tricky to do that (list servers are generally  
not written to be MIME interpreters), and I've found it to be a good  
idea to send the subscribed originators back their message so that  
they can correct their email client's handling and make sure it sends  
plain text with no attachments.


Godfrey

Re: Life in the Raw

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Apr 28, 2006, at 1:03 PM, Cory Papenfuss wrote:

I was under the impression that the current version of dcraw had  
been updated to handle DNGs. Is that not so?


Yes, it supposedly handles DNG's.  I'm talking about the conversion  
from a PEF *TO* a DNG.  There is no utility (that I've found) that  
will do it.


Ah yes. That part of it you're out of luck on for the present.

Besides, unless there's more metadata information extracted in the  
process, there's no point in obfuscating the file anymore.


First off, the original capture file is the source ... How could you  
"extract more metadata in the process" of converting from PEF to DNG?  
DNG conversion simply moves all the existing metadata into the DNG  
format, along with the sensor data. The real advantage of the DNG  
format, aside from taking up less space through applying lossless  
compression to the sensor data, is that it was designed to be a  
container format so more metadata can be added to the RAW file itself  
(RAW processing parameters, IPTC data, etc) without otherwise  
affecting the RAW data at all. So ultimately a DNG file usually has  
more metadata in it but the additions come from processing with savvy  
applications, not from the original RAW format file.


Godfrey

Re: web page

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I usually write my own pages, but I use iView MediaPro's ability to  
generate thumbnail pages and the HTML framework too.


Another album generator I hear mentioned positively a lot of the time  
is JAlbum. http://jalbum.net/


Godfrey

On Apr 28, 2006, at 1:09 PM, J wrote:

Hi, what would be a good and easy program to build a web page of  
photos for someone who has not done this before...Thanks for any  
info

Re: curious printing issue

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Apr 28, 2006, at 7:34 PM, William Robb wrote:

Yes, nozzles are all clear. And I replaced the two marginally low  
ink  carts (light cyan and magenta) as well afterwards ... no change.
As I said, this happened in the middle of printing the same file  
to a  different size of the same paper. The other prints were  
perfect,  showed no tinting at all.


Have you access to a densitometer?


Not at present, unfortunately. Been meaning to pick up the printer  
calibration part of the Eye One Display system, but it's kinda pricey.


Godfrey

Re: web page

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "J"

Subject: web page


Hi, what would be a good and easy program to build a web page of photos 
for someone who has not done this before...Thanks for any info


Netscape Composer.
You probably have it already.

Better still, pick up Elizabeth Castro's book about HTML and compose with a 
text editor.

It ain't rocket science, and your pages will be nicer for the simplicity.

William Robb 

Re: OT: My book is in

[David Savage]

LOL

I thought I knew what you meant I just wanted to check :-)

Dave

On 4/29/06, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I should have said, "parenting my grand daughter in the absence of her
father." Hope this clears things up :-))).

On Apr 28, 2006, at 10:18 PM, David Savage wrote:

> WTF?!
>
> Dave 
>
> On 4/29/06, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> No, but fathering my grand daughter makes me a faux pas:-)
>> Paul
>

Re: curious printing issue

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" 
Subject: curious printing issue





Printing remains a fussy business, regardless of how sophisticated  
the technology. Where the ink hits the paper remains a certain amount  
of one-by-one randomness.


It has always been that way in the wet printing business as well.

William Robb

Re: no messages...

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Doug Brewer" 
Subject: Re: no messages...






you can cure cancer using email?



Not with LCD screens.

William Robb

Re: curious printing issue

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" 
Subject: Re: curious printing issue



Yes, nozzles are all clear. And I replaced the two marginally low ink  
carts (light cyan and magenta) as well afterwards ... no change.


As I said, this happened in the middle of printing the same file to a  
different size of the same paper. The other prints were perfect,  
showed no tinting at all.


Have you access to a densitometer?

William Robb

Re: OT: My book is in

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Paul Stenquist"

Subject: Re: OT: My book is in



No, but fathering my grand daughter makes me a faux pas:-)


I think that would make you something most people would be uncomfortable 
with..

HAR!!!
ww 

Re: OT: My book is in

[Paul Stenquist]

I should have said, "parenting my grand daughter in the absence of her 
father." Hope this clears things up :-))).


On Apr 28, 2006, at 10:18 PM, David Savage wrote:


WTF?!

Dave 

On 4/29/06, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

No, but fathering my grand daughter makes me a faux pas:-)
Paul

Re: OT: My book is in

[David Savage]

WTF?!

Dave 

On 4/29/06, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

No, but fathering my grand daughter makes me a faux pas:-)
Paul

Re: A couple of PESOs

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 4/28/2006 11:47:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
First, the analogue version of the picture Jostein showed a few weeks 
ago (there's no need to compare.):
http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/channel/50/extra/new/display/5542508


Then, one from last year:
http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/cat/3407/display/5542601

mike
===
Nice cityscape. But it looks odd to me, like it is more drawing/painting than 
photo. Is it?

Marnie aka Doe

Re: OT: My book is in

[Paul Stenquist]

No, but fathering my grand daughter makes me a faux pas:-)
Paul
On Apr 28, 2006, at 9:59 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:


You're also a father - does that make you a faux pas?

Shel




[Original Message]
From: Paul Stenquist



Well, I have a Swedish name, but I'm
half Austrian and was born in Chicago.
Does that make me a faux Swede

Re: OT: My book is in

[Shel Belinkoff]

You're also a father - does that make you a faux pas?

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Paul Stenquist 

> Well, I have a Swedish name, but I'm 
> half Austrian and was born in Chicago. 
> Does that make me a faux Swede

Re: OT: My book is in

[Paul Stenquist]

Well, I have a Swedish name, but I'm half Austrian and was born in 
Chicago. Does that make me a faux Swede? :-)

Paul
On Apr 28, 2006, at 8:07 PM, Kenneth Waller wrote:


Are there any faux Swedes on the list?

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message - From: "Tim Øsleby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Subject: RE: OT: My book is in



There are Swedes on this list: I'm tempted, but no comment from me.


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)

Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds
(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)


-Original Message-
From: Doug Franklin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 28. april 2006 14:32
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: OT: My book is in

Tim Øsleby wrote:

> What does the word faux mean?

Fake.  Not actual.

Coffee == Coffee

Faux Coffee == that crap you get at work :-)

--
Thanks,
DougF (KG4LMZ)

Re: OT: My book is in

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 4/28/2006 5:09:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Are there any faux Swedes on the list?

Kenneth Waller
==
A Finn already piped up.

Marnie aka Doe 

Re: Local Gas Prices

[Mishka]

http://tinyurl.com/6zy4l

best,
mishka


On 4/27/06, Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Can it be we'll someday look back wistfully on these prices when we
remember the good old days?  What are the prices in your area?

http://home.earthlink.net/~shel-pix/gasprices.html


Shel

Re: Nothing coming in, am i getting out?

[David J Brooks]

If this works.

HAR

Dave

Quoting mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


Joseph Tainter wrote:

You should, Dave, more often.

Joe



Whatever manipulations have been done, they have worked for me.  
Thanks, Douglas.


m






Equine Photography in York Region

Re: OT: My book is in

[Kenneth Waller]

Are there any faux Swedes on the list?

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message - 
From: "Tim Øsleby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


Subject: RE: OT: My book is in



There are Swedes on this list: I'm tempted, but no comment from me.


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)

Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds
(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)


-Original Message-
From: Doug Franklin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 28. april 2006 14:32
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: OT: My book is in

Tim Øsleby wrote:

> What does the word faux mean?

Fake.  Not actual.

Coffee == Coffee

Faux Coffee == that crap you get at work :-)

--
Thanks,
DougF (KG4LMZ)

Re: What I like about the spring isnt pollen or dust...

[Kenneth Waller]

Looks like a nice composition, but the subject needs to be in focus.

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message - 
From: "Roman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Subject: What I like about the spring isnt pollen or dust...



http://roman.blakout.net/?blog=20060427164040

Although every plant and tree is dusting like hell. Pollen is everywhere 
including the camera. I must admit 'sources' of pollen are wonderful. 
Butterflies and other bugs are all that magic of spring. I expected to 
shoot ladybugs, but got a bunch of butterflies to shoot and didn't want 
to thinner extension rings numbers.


--
home  

FS A50/1.7

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Excellent condition.
Both caps.
$50 shipped in US
PayPal.



mail2web - Check your email from the web at
http://mail2web.com/ .

Re: Local Gas Prices

[Tom C]

From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Local Gas Prices
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 17:29:30 -0400

On 4/28/06, graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

And the millions of disabled people in the world are supposed to do the
same? When I was about your age I used the bicycle by preference too,
however I never figured that everyone should have icicles in their beard
just because I did.


I don't think that anyone's saying the "everyone must use bicycles". Hell, 
I say even if you don't enjoy it, you shouldn't do it.


However, there are alternatives, such as "adult tricycles" that suit
certain disabilities.  Some of these things are pretty high-tech, and
built for racing, so they're light and fast.  For those without use of
their legs, handcranks are available.

cheers,
frank


Hey then there's unicycles.  Perfect for people having no hands but healthy 
legs.  They should cost 1/2 of what a bicycle costs. ;-)


Tom C.

Re: Local Gas Prices

[Tom C]

Were I a CFO or in public relations, I would point to that as an example of 
how philathropic XYZ company is.


Tom C.



From: graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Local Gas Prices
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 18:29:48 -0400

GRIN!

How do I know my Thinkpad X24 is a corporate cast off? Because only the 
numberpad keys are worn shiny.


graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
---


Tom C wrote:
It really gets down to the fact that capitalism and a capitalistic society 
has one aim and one aim only.  If profits and compensation packages are 
obscene, things are working the way they should... right? It's always been 
a system whose underlying basis is greed and taking advantage of others 
not as fortunate as oneself.  It's done with a blind eye to those who are 
most harmed. I'm not saying it's fair but it's the world we live in.


Tom C. (spouting out tangential rhetoric on a Friday afternoon and not 
trying to drive this in a politico-philosophical direction)








From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Local Gas Prices
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 17:29:30 -0400

On 4/28/06, graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

And the millions of disabled people in the world are supposed to do the
same? When I was about your age I used the bicycle by preference too,
however I never figured that everyone should have icicles in their beard
just because I did.


I don't think that anyone's saying the "everyone must use bicycles". 
Hell, I say even if you don't enjoy it, you shouldn't do it.


However, there are alternatives, such as "adult tricycles" that suit
certain disabilities.  Some of these things are pretty high-tech, and
built for racing, so they're light and fast.  For those without use of
their legs, handcranks are available.

cheers,
frank

--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: OT: Something for the weekend

[Rob Studdert]

On 28 Apr 2006 at 20:59, Bob W wrote:

> it's a long weekend here in the UK, and for anybody at a loss for something
> to do to pass the time until work again on Tuesday, here's an idea:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4644933.stm

Hmm, some salient advice to heed: "Never shake the bucket of nuts before you're 
tied to the yak rope."


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http:/home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: TEST

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 4/28/2006 11:46:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
TEST

-- 
When you're worried or in doubt, 
Run in circles, (scream and shout).

You get an F.

Marnie aka Doe   You shouted. Twice. ;-)

Re: web page

[graywolf]

And then of course there is Photoshop.

graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
---


Paul Sorenson wrote:

Porta Web Album Generator

http://www.stegmann.dk/mikkel/porta/

It's quick, easy to use, leaves a small footprint on your hard drive, 
allows you to add an introduction page and is free.


Here's an example -

http://home.earthlink.net/~allaround6/imperial/

-Paul

J wrote:
Hi, what would be a good and easy program to build a web page of 
photos for someone who has not done this before...Thanks for any info

Re: Local Gas Prices

[graywolf]

GRIN!

How do I know my Thinkpad X24 is a corporate cast off? Because only the 
numberpad keys are worn shiny.


graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
---


Tom C wrote:
It really gets down to the fact that capitalism and a capitalistic 
society has one aim and one aim only.  If profits and compensation 
packages are obscene, things are working the way they should... right? 
It's always been a system whose underlying basis is greed and taking 
advantage of others not as fortunate as oneself.  It's done with a blind 
eye to those who are most harmed. I'm not saying it's fair but it's the 
world we live in.


Tom C. (spouting out tangential rhetoric on a Friday afternoon and not 
trying to drive this in a politico-philosophical direction)








From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Local Gas Prices
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 17:29:30 -0400

On 4/28/06, graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

And the millions of disabled people in the world are supposed to do the
same? When I was about your age I used the bicycle by preference too,
however I never figured that everyone should have icicles in their beard
just because I did.


I don't think that anyone's saying the "everyone must use bicycles". 
Hell, I say even if you don't enjoy it, you shouldn't do it.


However, there are alternatives, such as "adult tricycles" that suit
certain disabilities.  Some of these things are pretty high-tech, and
built for racing, so they're light and fast.  For those without use of
their legs, handcranks are available.

cheers,
frank

--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

PESOs- Sea Flower/Find the Fish

[Eactivist]

Sorry for the repost. I sent these off as two PESOs but not sure they got 
through.

I'll skip my normal chatter in interest of a shorter message. But the usual 
disclaimer:  through glass, water, blah, blah, large f stop, blah, blah, and 
accidentally shot JPEG.

Sea Flower

http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/seaflower.htm

Find the FishHow many can you find?

http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/findfish.htm

Marnie aka Doe 

Re: Local Gas Prices

[Tom C]

It really gets down to the fact that capitalism and a capitalistic society 
has one aim and one aim only.  If profits and compensation packages are 
obscene, things are working the way they should... right? It's always been a 
system whose underlying basis is greed and taking advantage of others not as 
fortunate as oneself.  It's done with a blind eye to those who are most 
harmed. I'm not saying it's fair but it's the world we live in.


Tom C. (spouting out tangential rhetoric on a Friday afternoon and not 
trying to drive this in a politico-philosophical direction)








From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Local Gas Prices
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 17:29:30 -0400

On 4/28/06, graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

And the millions of disabled people in the world are supposed to do the
same? When I was about your age I used the bicycle by preference too,
however I never figured that everyone should have icicles in their beard
just because I did.


I don't think that anyone's saying the "everyone must use bicycles". Hell, 
I say even if you don't enjoy it, you shouldn't do it.


However, there are alternatives, such as "adult tricycles" that suit
certain disabilities.  Some of these things are pretty high-tech, and
built for racing, so they're light and fast.  For those without use of
their legs, handcranks are available.

cheers,
frank

--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: Local Gas Prices

[Tom C]

From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Local Gas Prices
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 17:29:30 -0400

On 4/28/06, graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

And the millions of disabled people in the world are supposed to do the
same? When I was about your age I used the bicycle by preference too,
however I never figured that everyone should have icicles in their beard
just because I did.


I don't think that anyone's saying the "everyone must use bicycles". Hell, 
I say even if you don't enjoy it, you shouldn't do it.


However, there are alternatives, such as "adult tricycles" that suit
certain disabilities.  Some of these things are pretty high-tech, and
built for racing, so they're light and fast.  For those without use of
their legs, handcranks are available.

cheers,
frank


Hey then there's unicycles.  Perfect for people having no hands but healthy 
legs.  They should cost 1/2 of what a bicycle costs. ;-)


Tom C.

RE: Local Gas Prices

[Malcolm Smith]

frank theriault wrote:
 
> Hell, I say even if you don't enjoy it, you shouldn't do it.

You win my vote.

Malcolm

Re: Local Gas Prices

[frank theriault]

On 4/28/06, graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

And the millions of disabled people in the world are supposed to do the
same? When I was about your age I used the bicycle by preference too,
however I never figured that everyone should have icicles in their beard
just because I did.


I don't think that anyone's saying the "everyone must use bicycles". 
Hell, I say even if you don't enjoy it, you shouldn't do it.


However, there are alternatives, such as "adult tricycles" that suit
certain disabilities.  Some of these things are pretty high-tech, and
built for racing, so they're light and fast.  For those without use of
their legs, handcranks are available.

cheers,
frank

--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: web page

[Mark Roberts]

Mark Roberts wrote:

>J wrote:
>
>>Hi, what would be a good and easy program to build a web page of photos for 
>>someone who has not done this before...Thanks for any info
>
>Web Album Generator:
>http://www.ornj.net/webalbum/index.html

Oops. Web Album Generator is intended for use installed on a *web
server*. Not applicable to your request. 

>Gallery:
>http://gallery.menalto.com/

Gallery is really nice, though.

Re: web page

[Paul Sorenson]

Porta Web Album Generator

http://www.stegmann.dk/mikkel/porta/

It's quick, easy to use, leaves a small footprint on your hard drive, 
allows you to add an introduction page and is free.


Here's an example -

http://home.earthlink.net/~allaround6/imperial/

-Paul

J wrote:
Hi, what would be a good and easy program to build a web page of photos 
for someone who has not done this before...Thanks for any info

Re: no messages...

[Steve Jolly]

Doug Brewer wrote:
So yesterday I'm staring at the screen, and it comes to me. The server 
=is= sending out spam. The script I have to reject HTML/enriched 
text/etc sends back a bounce message. Many of you have seen these 
messages-- "please send your message in Plain Text.."-- so you'll know 
what happened to your message.


Just a thought Doug, but would it be possible to only bounce HTML 
messages from subscribers?  The rest could be ignored - hopefully that 
would give you the best of both worlds...


S

Re: no messages...

[Steve Jolly]

Cotty wrote:

I love you and want to have your babies.


Call the cops.

S

Re: Nothing coming in, am i getting out?

[mike wilson]

Joseph Tainter wrote:

You should, Dave, more often.

Joe



Whatever manipulations have been done, they have worked for me.  Thanks, 
Douglas.


m

Re: web page

[Mark Roberts]

J wrote:

>Hi, what would be a good and easy program to build a web page of photos for 
>someone who has not done this before...Thanks for any info

Web Album Generator:
http://www.ornj.net/webalbum/index.html

Gallery:
http://gallery.menalto.com/

Re: iPod camera adapter and OptioMX

[Ryan K. Brooks]

Thibouille wrote:

Anyone tried those 2 together?

Is speed OK or really abysmal?
Would a VOSONIC XS Drive II be quite faster ?

--
Thibouille
--
*ist-D,Z1,SFXn,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ...


They both kinda sucked, IMHO.   The ipod camera thing is too slow, as is 
the Vosonic... especially in regards to battery life.   If all you're 
files will be small, I suppose it would be okay.


-Ryan

RE: A couple of PESOs

[Bob W]

It did for me. Must be something wrong with your modem.


> 
> Strange, when I went to that page I got a digital image. I 
> was really expecting my computer to spit out a paper print 
> after your preamble. :^)
> 
> graywolf
> http://www.graywolfphoto.com
> http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf
> "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
> ---
> 
> 
> mike wilson wrote:
> > First, the analogue version of the picture Jostein showed a 
> few weeks 
> > ago (there's no need to compare.):
> > 
> http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/channel/50/extra/new/display/554250
> > 8
> > 
> > 
> > Then, one from last year:
> > http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/cat/3407/display/5542601
> > 
> > mike
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: A couple of PESOs

[graywolf]

Strange, when I went to that page I got a digital image. I was really 
expecting my computer to spit out a paper print after your preamble. :^)


graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
---


mike wilson wrote:
First, the analogue version of the picture Jostein showed a few weeks 
ago (there's no need to compare.):

http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/channel/50/extra/new/display/5542508


Then, one from last year:
http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/cat/3407/display/5542601

mike

web page

[J]

Hi, what would be a good and easy program to build a web page of photos for 
someone who has not done this before...Thanks for any info

Re: Local Gas Prices

[graywolf]

Welcome to North Carolina, Bob . Unfortunately as towns 
expand people tend to live far from the downtown areas. The malls are 
usually closer, at least time wise, to where they do live. The downtown 
areas tend to be where the very poor live and they do not have the money 
to support a thriving business area, so the downtown areas become slums, 
or if you are lucky tourist attractions.


Here in Boone the local bus service is run by the university. Last year 
when this gas crunch started the town made a deal with the university 
where you could ride free. It used to be free for students but cost 
non-students a buck each way which was more than gas to drive into town 
used to cost. Unfortunately for me it is two miles to the nearest bus 
stop and that over a heavily traveled narrow mountain road with no 
shoulders. Day before yesterday I did some reconnoitering and discovered 
that there is a way across private property that would allow me to avoid 
the worse section of that road, on foot but not with the bicycle. 
Unfortunately it is also mostly in the flood plain and boggy when it 
rains. However it will allow me to trade time-expense for gas-expense 
occasionally. luckily I seem to be doing much better this year, and can 
actually walk a couple of miles now. I figure that way it is a two hour 
trip into town, driving it is 10 minutes. However, one does what one has 
to do to get by.


Also trashy food is far cheaper than good food. Interestingly I just 
went by the local hunger collation and got a loaf of bread. What is 
interesting is that I could not afford that loaf of bread if I was 
buying it in the store, because it is one of the expensive healthy 
brands. It is interesting to find out from experience how the poor live. 
My therapist however tells me that I am far better at managing my money 
than most of her clients, so it is not actually a fair comparison.



graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
---


Bob W wrote:

I forgot to add that there were an enormous number of very unhealthy-looking
people in this town. From what I gather, much of this is attributable to the
poor quality of the food available in these malls, and fact that people use
their cars so much. Clearly some of these people were aware of their poor
health because the town included a pleasant-looking walking track amongst
some trees, where people went to walk round and round in circles in their
leisure pants. Of course, they drove there.

--
Cheers,
 Bob 


-Original Message-
From: Bob W [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 28 April 2006 20:12

To: 'pentax-discuss@pdml.net'
Subject: RE: Local Gas Prices

Unfortunately in 99% of the US today an automobile is a 
necessity not 

a luxury.
that's because your society (and towns) have been built on an 
assumption of car ownership and cheap fuel. I once stayed in 
a small town in North Carolina which had a very beautiful 
town centre, built on a human scale and containing at least 
the potential for every kind of store you could want, within 
easy walking distance of each other. It was not that far from 
the main residential areas. I imagine it worked perfectly 
well before widespread ownership of cars. I imagine it could 
work perfectly well if people largely abandon their cars. 
However, the town centre was practically a desert. The 
shopping had all transferred to vile and enormous chains in 
malls stretched out along the freeway out of town. Using 
these absolutely demanded that you have a car. The car 
brought these into being, and only the car keeps them alive, 
but they are, frankly, horrible places. Things are similar in 
many parts of the UK.


--
Cheers,
 Bob 

Re: Life in the Raw

[Cory Papenfuss]

I was under the impression that the current version of dcraw had been updated 
to handle DNGs. Is that not so?


	Yes, it supposedly handles DNG's.  I'm talking about the 
conversion from a PEF *TO* a DNG.  There is no utility (that I've found) 
that will do it.  Besides, unless there's more metadata information 
extracted in the process, there's no point in obfuscating the file 
anymore.


-Cory

--

*
* Cory Papenfuss, Ph.D., PPSEL-IA   *
* Electrical Engineering*
* Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University   *
*

Re: Nothing coming in, am i getting out?

[Joseph Tainter]

You should, Dave, more often.

Joe

OT: Something for the weekend

[Bob W]

it's a long weekend here in the UK, and for anybody at a loss for something
to do to pass the time until work again on Tuesday, here's an idea:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4644933.stm

--
Cheers,
 Bob 

iPod camera adapter and OptioMX

[Thibouille]

Anyone tried those 2 together?

Is speed OK or really abysmal?
Would a VOSONIC XS Drive II be quite faster ?

--
Thibouille
--
*ist-D,Z1,SFXn,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ...

Re: OT: the cost of digital storage

[Thibouille]

In fact, Windows does that nicely too (dunno about performaces though)
with Pro (or better versions). Even NT4 does.


no dedicated SATA RAID controller necessary if
you use Linux and LVM and ~300GB usable space) and the cost of the linux
box is minimal.  All you need is enough processing power and memory to
handle file operations (moves, copies, deletes, etc.)  The "average"
person using this for a home solution is doing small numbers of large
I/O (a few big files) operations which is perfect for SATA and RAID 1.

Christian
http://photography.skofteland.net


--
Thibouille
--
*ist-D,Z1,SFXn,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ...

Re: Local Gas Prices

[Ralf R. Radermacher]

Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Can it be we'll someday look back wistfully on these prices when we
> remember the good old days?  What are the prices in your area?

Been over in Belgium, today. Prices for 95 octane Eurosuper varying
between 1.27 and 1.46 euro within a 30 km radius (Liège - Verviers
area). 

Ralf

-- 
Ralf R. Radermacher  -  DL9KCG  -  Köln/Cologne, Germany
private homepage: http://www.fotoralf.de
manual cameras and photo galleries - updated Jan. 10, 2005
Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses

RE: A couple of PESOs

[Bob W]

that bridge is very dramatic.

--
Cheers,
 Bob 

> -Original Message-
> From: mike wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: 28 April 2006 19:42
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: A couple of PESOs
> 
> First, the analogue version of the picture Jostein showed a 
> few weeks ago (there's no need to compare.):
> http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/channel/50/extra/new/displa
> y/5542508
> 
> 
> Then, one from last year:
> http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/cat/3407/display/5542601
> 
> mike
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: TEST

[P. J. Alling]

Just a bit.

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:


Egads, getting a little TESTy?

G

On Apr 28, 2006, at 11:58 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:


TEST

--
When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).








--
When you're worried or in doubt, 
	Run in circles, (scream and shout).

RE: Local Gas Prices

[Bob W]

Perhaps you should visit London. None of us travel to work by jetm and all
of the buses and tubes are over-capacity.

--
Cheers,
 Bob 

> -Original Message-
> From: graywolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: 28 April 2006 16:48
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: Local Gas Prices
> 
> What makes you think public transportation is more 
> evironmentally friendly than private? My only jet airliner 
> trip had about 12 passengers on board. I figure that cost 
> about 100 times as much for fuel per person as driving cars 
> did. The concept that public transportation is cheaper is 
> based upon the unfounded idea that it is always operation at 
> capacity. In fact very little public transportation operates 
> at more than 10% of capacity overall. After all it has to be 
> sized to carry the rush hour traffic, but has to run all the 
> time or it would not be a viable alternative at all. I have 
> often noticed that "Eco Freaks" have a very strange concept 
> of how economics work.
> 
> graywolf
> http://www.graywolfphoto.com
> http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf
> "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
> ---
> 
> 
> Tim Øsleby wrote:
> 
> > Did I sat I would go by car? ;-)
> > The truth is that I am, but I _do_ travel a lot by public 
> transport. 
> 
> 
> 
> 

RE: Local Gas Prices

[Bob W]

I forgot to add that there were an enormous number of very unhealthy-looking
people in this town. From what I gather, much of this is attributable to the
poor quality of the food available in these malls, and fact that people use
their cars so much. Clearly some of these people were aware of their poor
health because the town included a pleasant-looking walking track amongst
some trees, where people went to walk round and round in circles in their
leisure pants. Of course, they drove there.

--
Cheers,
 Bob 

> -Original Message-
> From: Bob W [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: 28 April 2006 20:12
> To: 'pentax-discuss@pdml.net'
> Subject: RE: Local Gas Prices
> 
> > Unfortunately in 99% of the US today an automobile is a 
> necessity not 
> > a luxury.
> 
> that's because your society (and towns) have been built on an 
> assumption of car ownership and cheap fuel. I once stayed in 
> a small town in North Carolina which had a very beautiful 
> town centre, built on a human scale and containing at least 
> the potential for every kind of store you could want, within 
> easy walking distance of each other. It was not that far from 
> the main residential areas. I imagine it worked perfectly 
> well before widespread ownership of cars. I imagine it could 
> work perfectly well if people largely abandon their cars. 
> However, the town centre was practically a desert. The 
> shopping had all transferred to vile and enormous chains in 
> malls stretched out along the freeway out of town. Using 
> these absolutely demanded that you have a car. The car 
> brought these into being, and only the car keeps them alive, 
> but they are, frankly, horrible places. Things are similar in 
> many parts of the UK.
> 
> --
> Cheers,
>  Bob 
> 
> 

RE: Local Gas Prices

[Bob W]

> Unfortunately in 99% of the US today an automobile is a 
> necessity not a luxury.

that's because your society (and towns) have been built on an assumption of
car ownership and cheap fuel. I once stayed in a small town in North
Carolina which had a very beautiful town centre, built on a human scale and
containing at least the potential for every kind of store you could want,
within easy walking distance of each other. It was not that far from the
main residential areas. I imagine it worked perfectly well before widespread
ownership of cars. I imagine it could work perfectly well if people largely
abandon their cars. However, the town centre was practically a desert. The
shopping had all transferred to vile and enormous chains in malls stretched
out along the freeway out of town. Using these absolutely demanded that you
have a car. The car brought these into being, and only the car keeps them
alive, but they are, frankly, horrible places. Things are similar in many
parts of the UK.

--
Cheers,
 Bob 

RE: Local Gas Prices

[Bob W]

My brother has a Range Rover, and his last car was a Discovery. He converted
both to use some sort of gas. Although he has to stop to fill up more it
makes a big difference in the price. Still a fossil fuel though.

--
Cheers,
 Bob 

> -Original Message-
> From: Tom C [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: 28 April 2006 15:45
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: Local Gas Prices
> 
> >From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >I fill a Discovery tank with 20 gallons of diesel about once 
> every four 
> >days. Twice a week if busy. With the amount of shit it 
> chucks out the 
> >back, I grow more concerned for the harm I'm doing to the 
> environment.
> >Fortunately I have a company-supplied fuel card, so it's 
> doing no harm 
> >to my wallet.
> >
> >Our family car, a 12 year old Rangey with a 2.5 litre diesel engine 
> >fills the same BUT that travels far less and so we fill it 
> once every 2 
> >or 3 weeks. It may be more polluting than a small car, but it is 
> >recycling parts used previously on other vehicles to keep it 
> going, and 
> >as such contributes less to our 'throw away' society. No plans to 
> >change it anytime soon. 100,000 miles and going !
> 
> I fill our Discovery twice a week with mid-grade octane 
> gasoline (s/b hi-octane).  It's costing on average about 
> $120/wk to drive the thing.
> 
> Tom C.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

RE: Local Gas Prices

[Bob W]

Shel,

nevertheless, the reason people moan about fuel prices is that they feel the
rises very directly in their own wallet, not indirectly in the cost of other
goods. 

There are also ways of mitigating those costs. For example, here in the UK
they should immediately stop subsidising the road transport industry and
start subsidising the railway industry so that long-haul carriage shifts to
the railways. That would make an enormous difference to our costs. They can
start making better use of our extensive network of canals and rivers. And
put more effort and money into finding & exploiting alternatives to petrol. 

A useful side-effect of eliminating our addiction to petrol is that within
10 minutes the Middle-East crisis will be over.

--
Cheers,
 Bob 

> -Original Message-
> From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: 28 April 2006 14:57
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: Local Gas Prices
> 
> That's a very short-sighted point of view.  Higher fuel 
> prices effect just about every aspect of your life, from the 
> cost of basic foods to home services.  Most everything is 
> transported somehow, and the cost of fuel is a major factor 
> in the rising cost of goods, as manufacturers and 
> distributors raise their prices to accommodate the higher 
> fuel costs and try to maintain their profit.
> 
> Shel
> 
> 
> 
> > [Original Message]
> > From: David Mann
> 
> > NZ$1.70 a litre for 91.  It seems to go up on a weekly 
> basis now, but 
> > being predominantly pedal-powered I find it difficult to care.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: TEST

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Egads, getting a little TESTy?

G

On Apr 28, 2006, at 11:58 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:


TEST

--
When you're worried or in doubt,Run in circles, (scream and shout).

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

35mm slides do require readers, but they're very simple readers ...  
magnifying glasses or projectors. This became painfully apparent at  
the course I'm taking last evening when one person who brought in her  
art work as slides but didn't bring a light box or projector: it made  
it impossible to get a sense of what she was working on. (Next week,  
I'll carry my small portable light box and 8x loupe just in case..)


gw:
Prints showing reticulation after six months? Which printer model and  
paper did you use? and how were they stored? I have prints made on  
relatively cheap inkjet printers that have survived nicely for a  
decade and more already, stored in archival sleeves and not exposed  
to light too often, it's surprising to hear that but then the bottom- 
end printers are not really a standard against which to measure  
archival qualities. They're built to sell ink ... Epson doesn't even  
make print longevity claims for that grade of printer, far as I'm aware.


Godfrey


On Apr 28, 2006, at 10:34 AM, Badri A wrote:


So it turns out quite a few people feel the way I do.  I would print
my most important images and try to store them archivally.  Print and
transparency are, after all, the only storage media that don't require
readers (apart from human vision, and I don't know when that will be
antiquated).  I don't think posterity will care about my photography
(but then that's what some Indian cave-painters might have thought
too!).  At any rate I'd like my great-grandchildren to know I fooled
around with cameras for a while.

Badri



On 4/28/06, graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Well you are taking about theory and I am talking about observed  
prints.


Those prints I were made about 6 months ago on a current model Epson
with Epson ink and Epson paper. However it is a low end model  
printer as

A couple of PESOs

[mike wilson]

First, the analogue version of the picture Jostein showed a few weeks 
ago (there's no need to compare.):

http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/channel/50/extra/new/display/5542508


Then, one from last year:
http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/cat/3407/display/5542601

mike

TEST

[P. J. Alling]

TEST

--
When you're worried or in doubt, 
	Run in circles, (scream and shout).

Re: Local Gas Prices

[P. J. Alling]

Gas, and many other products for that matter, are priced by a percentage 
markup over cost method.  If your material costs increase you still get 
the same percentage back but the absolute profit is higher.  Simple 
math.  I for one see no great conspiracy  there.  The government does 
the same thing with taxes.


Tom C wrote:

I just listened to an NPR program broadcast yesterday.  Overall I 
thought the industry analyst answered many questions vaguely with a 
little spin.


He did say (big surprise coming) "Gas companies are not philanthropic 
organizations".


The single one item that bothers me is that oil companies are making 
record profits.  I don't know quite how this works, but in my simple 
mind the oil companies producing the crude oil and the major gasoline 
refiners buying the crude oil are one and the same, or at least they 
seemed to be named very similarly.


The report stated that oil companies are bringing crude oil to market 
at a cost of $7 - $8 per barrel.  Yet it's selling at 10X that 
amount.  An open market is one thing, but who is bidding on and buying 
that crude oil for $75/barrel?  Isn't it the gasoline refiners (read 
oil companies)?  *If* they all bid the price up to buy their own oil 
at high prices, then worldwide all buyers (non-oil producers) are 
forced to buy at high price, wouldn't this be the case?


So it seems to me at least, that oil companies themselves may be 
creating the artifically high selling prices for crude oil in the same 
way shill bidding raises the price in an e-bay auction.  If they pay a 
high price for their own crude oil, it's like taking money from the 
left pocket and putting it in the right. Then the wholesale price of 
gasoline can be 'legitimately' raised by the refiners (oil companies) 
because it cost them more for the oil.


In addition it was stated that several years ago the markup on 
refining was $.15/$.20 a gallon and now it's $.50/$.60 a gallon.


Maybe I've got it wrong... but the statements that the oil companies 
are merely responding to the market is a shallow sham and rings hollow.


Tom C.







--
When you're worried or in doubt, 
	Run in circles, (scream and shout).

Re: no messages...

[P. J. Alling]

Does anyone else find this image as disturbing as I?

Cotty wrote:


On 28/4/06, Doug Brewer, discombobulated, unleashed:

 

I hate to have to do that, but in the interest of better, more 
consistent, delivery of the PDML traffic, I will.
   



I love you and want to have your babies.



Cheers,
 Cotty


___/\__
||   (O)   | People, Places, Pastiche
||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com
_




 




--
When you're worried or in doubt, 
	Run in circles, (scream and shout).

Re: Local Gas Prices

[graywolf]

And the millions of disabled people in the world are supposed to do the 
same? When I was about your age I used the bicycle by preference too, 
however I never figured that everyone should have icicles in their beard 
just because I did.


graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
---


Mark Roberts wrote:

frank theriault wrote:


On 4/27/06, Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Can it be we'll someday look back wistfully on these prices when we
remember the good old days?  What are the prices in your area?

http://home.earthlink.net/~shel-pix/gasprices.html

I ride a bike.


Me too! In the month of March I put just 500 miles on my car (though
not that many on the bike ). Now that nice weather is hear I expect
the total for April will be even lower.

I also use the bus a lot when weather is too nasty for the bicycle
(I'm more of a wimp than Frank when it comes to biking in *really*
nasty weather.)

Re: Local Gas Prices

[graywolf]

Even more your mass transportation saves expensive land. You do not need 
to provide inner city parking spaces for those many thousands of cars. 
However, I bet you have rode those same subways when you were the only 
one one in the car. Another thing about mass transportation is it is a 
major vector for the spread of disease. My point is that these things 
are not one sided issues.


graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
---


frank theriault wrote:

On 4/28/06, graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

What makes you think public transportation is more evironmentally
friendly than private? My only jet airliner trip had about 12 passengers
on board. I figure that cost about 100 times as much for fuel per person
as driving cars did. The concept that public transportation is cheaper
is based upon the unfounded idea that it is always operation at
capacity. In fact very little public transportation operates at more
than 10% of capacity overall. After all it has to be sized to carry the
rush hour traffic, but has to run all the time or it would not be a
viable alternative at all. I have often noticed that "Eco Freaks" have a
very strange concept of how economics work.


Tom,

I'm sure you know very well that when someone (in the context of
conserving resources) they're likely talking about mass transit,
rather than air transportation.

You can throw all the numbers you want at me, but no one's going to
tell me that a subway in a major city during rush hour doesn't save
energy and reduce pollution, as compared to driving personal vehicles.
Just imagine:  in Toronto during rush hour, there's an average of
1000 passengers ~per train~.  The trains come by on average every five
minutes.  That's a lot of cars ~not~ on the road.

No matter what you may say about "public transportation", "public
transit" or "mass transit" in major urban centres must form an
important part of any energy-saving, pollution-control plan, IMHO.

cheers,
frank


--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: Local Gas Prices

[Tom C]

I just listened to an NPR program broadcast yesterday.  Overall I thought 
the industry analyst answered many questions vaguely with a little spin.


He did say (big surprise coming) "Gas companies are not philanthropic 
organizations".


The single one item that bothers me is that oil companies are making record 
profits.  I don't know quite how this works, but in my simple mind the oil 
companies producing the crude oil and the major gasoline refiners buying the 
crude oil are one and the same, or at least they seemed to be named very 
similarly.


The report stated that oil companies are bringing crude oil to market at a 
cost of $7 - $8 per barrel.  Yet it's selling at 10X that amount.  An open 
market is one thing, but who is bidding on and buying that crude oil for 
$75/barrel?  Isn't it the gasoline refiners (read oil companies)?  *If* they 
all bid the price up to buy their own oil at high prices, then worldwide all 
buyers (non-oil producers) are forced to buy at high price, wouldn't this be 
the case?


So it seems to me at least, that oil companies themselves may be creating 
the artifically high selling prices for crude oil in the same way shill 
bidding raises the price in an e-bay auction.  If they pay a high price for 
their own crude oil, it's like taking money from the left pocket and putting 
it in the right. Then the wholesale price of gasoline can be 'legitimately' 
raised by the refiners (oil companies) because it cost them more for the 
oil.


In addition it was stated that several years ago the markup on refining was 
$.15/$.20 a gallon and now it's $.50/$.60 a gallon.


Maybe I've got it wrong... but the statements that the oil companies are 
merely responding to the market is a shallow sham and rings hollow.


Tom C.

Re: no messages...

[Mark Roberts]

Doug Brewer wrote:

>Mark Roberts wrote:
>> graywolf wrote:
>> 
>>>If the spammers knew how effective my spam filters are they would quit 
>>>wasting their time sending it to me .
>> 
>> An admin at the university told me that if the spammers put all the
>> effort they devote to compromising mailing lists, hijacking cable
>> modem accounts, etc, etc, etc, into something productive we could cure
>> cancer within a year. He was exaggerating, of course, but I can see
>> his point.
>
>you can cure cancer using email?

Nope, but I can cure it with Photoshop!
(I sometimes prepare scans or digital photos of tumor biopsies for my
pathologist S.O.)

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

[Badri A]

So it turns out quite a few people feel the way I do.  I would print
my most important images and try to store them archivally.  Print and
transparency are, after all, the only storage media that don't require
readers (apart from human vision, and I don't know when that will be
antiquated).  I don't think posterity will care about my photography
(but then that's what some Indian cave-painters might have thought
too!).  At any rate I'd like my great-grandchildren to know I fooled
around with cameras for a while.

Badri



On 4/28/06, graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Well you are taking about theory and I am talking about observed prints.

Those prints I were made about 6 months ago on a current model Epson
with Epson ink and Epson paper. However it is a low end model printer as

Re: no messages...

[Doug Brewer]

Mark Roberts wrote:

graywolf wrote:


If the spammers knew how effective my spam filters are they would quit 
wasting their time sending it to me .



An admin at the university told me that if the spammers put all the
effort they devote to compromising mailing lists, hijacking cable
modem accounts, etc, etc, etc, into something productive we could cure
cancer within a year. He was exaggerating, of course, but I can see
his point.




you can cure cancer using email?

Re: Local Gas Prices

[Adam Maas]

If you ride TTC, they've already taken a bite, that's what the last fare 
increase supposedly covered.


-Adam


frank theriault wrote:

On 4/27/06, Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Can it be we'll someday look back wistfully on these prices when we
remember the good old days?  What are the prices in your area?

http://home.earthlink.net/~shel-pix/gasprices.html



I ride a bike.

cheers,
frank, who also rides transit, and knows that rising gas prices will
eventually bite him in the ass, but can't help but be smug


--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: no messages...

[Mark Roberts]

graywolf wrote:

>If the spammers knew how effective my spam filters are they would quit 
>wasting their time sending it to me .

An admin at the university told me that if the spammers put all the
effort they devote to compromising mailing lists, hijacking cable
modem accounts, etc, etc, etc, into something productive we could cure
cancer within a year. He was exaggerating, of course, but I can see
his point.

RE: Local Gas Prices

[Sandra Hermann]

In the St. Louis area:
When I filled up the Liberty tues evening regular was 2.76 and diesel was 
2.75.  When I put midgrade in my mothers Cirrus I think I pd around 2.86.  
that was Wed.  I could be off on that one.  I knew I had to have fuel to get 
back home I really didn't wanna walk the 20 miles between Fenton, MO  and 
Columbia IL.  On average I use about 14 gallons of Diesel a week running my 
libby back and forth to work.  This averages out to around $40 a week.  All 
of this to build trucks.


The really scary thing about this is I worked last week for 72.9 hrs 
building Dodge Ram trucks. Most of them Hemi's.   A few Diesels and a few 
"farm" trucks.   This week we are running only  10 hrs a day again.



As far as the whole shipping concept we are talking about Chrysler has 3 
truck plants.  One in Mexico, one in Detroit, and one here in St. Louis.   
The majority of the trucks we are building this week have had Mexico or 
Canada shipping labels on them.  Wouldn't you think a company of there size 
could figure out that Detroit was closer to Canada and that well Mexico was 
Mexcio?


enough of my ranting.
Happy driving
sandy

http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/mypics/698154






From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Local Gas Prices
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:21:33 -0700

Can it be we'll someday look back wistfully on these prices when we
remember the good old days?  What are the prices in your area?

http://home.earthlink.net/~shel-pix/gasprices.html


Shel

Re: Local Gas Prices

[Mark Roberts]

frank theriault wrote:

>On 4/27/06, Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Can it be we'll someday look back wistfully on these prices when we
>> remember the good old days?  What are the prices in your area?
>>
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~shel-pix/gasprices.html
>
>I ride a bike.

Me too! In the month of March I put just 500 miles on my car (though
not that many on the bike ). Now that nice weather is hear I expect
the total for April will be even lower.

I also use the bus a lot when weather is too nasty for the bicycle
(I'm more of a wimp than Frank when it comes to biking in *really*
nasty weather.)

Re: curious printing issue

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Yes, nozzles are all clear. And I replaced the two marginally low ink  
carts (light cyan and magenta) as well afterwards ... no change.


As I said, this happened in the middle of printing the same file to a  
different size of the same paper. The other prints were perfect,  
showed no tinting at all.


Godfrey

On Apr 28, 2006, at 10:09 AM, Powell Hargrave wrote:

Have you run a nozzle check?  A plugged cyan nozzle could be the  
problem.


Powell


At 08:20 AM 28/04/2006 , you wrote:


I had a weird problem while printing the other day.

A couple of the latest B&W photos I was printing to an ~11x14 size
were coming out with a slight magenta tint on the Epson Enhanced
Matte A3 paper. This despite being fully color managed and making
dozens of seemingly identical, perfectly neutral renderings of the
same file on the same paper in US Letter size. My guess is that that
box of EEM has a slightly off formulation with respect to the EEM
profile supplied for the printer.

Thankfully, the Epson R2400 has the "Advanced B&W" options. I told
Photoshop to let the printer do the color adjustments and then used
the B&W controls in the Epson driver to print the image with a
slightly warm tone.

Two others of the photos in that set have a lot of very deep tones.
The difference between the just printed copy and the fully dried-down
copy a day later is large ...

Printing remains a fussy business, regardless of how sophisticated
the technology. Where the ink hits the paper remains a certain amount
of one-by-one randomness.

Godfrey

Re: Local Gas Prices

[frank theriault]

On 4/28/06, graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

What makes you think public transportation is more evironmentally
friendly than private? My only jet airliner trip had about 12 passengers
on board. I figure that cost about 100 times as much for fuel per person
as driving cars did. The concept that public transportation is cheaper
is based upon the unfounded idea that it is always operation at
capacity. In fact very little public transportation operates at more
than 10% of capacity overall. After all it has to be sized to carry the
rush hour traffic, but has to run all the time or it would not be a
viable alternative at all. I have often noticed that "Eco Freaks" have a
very strange concept of how economics work.


Tom,

I'm sure you know very well that when someone (in the context of
conserving resources) they're likely talking about mass transit,
rather than air transportation.

You can throw all the numbers you want at me, but no one's going to
tell me that a subway in a major city during rush hour doesn't save
energy and reduce pollution, as compared to driving personal vehicles.
Just imagine:  in Toronto during rush hour, there's an average of
1000 passengers ~per train~.  The trains come by on average every five
minutes.  That's a lot of cars ~not~ on the road.

No matter what you may say about "public transportation", "public
transit" or "mass transit" in major urban centres must form an
important part of any energy-saving, pollution-control plan, IMHO.

cheers,
frank


--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: curious printing issue

[Powell Hargrave]

Have you run a nozzle check?  A plugged cyan nozzle could be the problem.

Powell


At 08:20 AM 28/04/2006 , you wrote:
>
>I had a weird problem while printing the other day.
>
>A couple of the latest B&W photos I was printing to an ~11x14 size  
>were coming out with a slight magenta tint on the Epson Enhanced  
>Matte A3 paper. This despite being fully color managed and making  
>dozens of seemingly identical, perfectly neutral renderings of the  
>same file on the same paper in US Letter size. My guess is that that  
>box of EEM has a slightly off formulation with respect to the EEM  
>profile supplied for the printer.
>
>Thankfully, the Epson R2400 has the "Advanced B&W" options. I told  
>Photoshop to let the printer do the color adjustments and then used  
>the B&W controls in the Epson driver to print the image with a  
>slightly warm tone.
>
>Two others of the photos in that set have a lot of very deep tones.  
>The difference between the just printed copy and the fully dried-down  
>copy a day later is large ...
>
>Printing remains a fussy business, regardless of how sophisticated  
>the technology. Where the ink hits the paper remains a certain amount  
>of one-by-one randomness.
>
>Godfrey
>

Re: OT: the cost of digital storage

[graywolf]

I did not specify a RAID-5 system but a RAID-1, that is mirrored drives. 
You can buy 250gb drives for about $130 each locally. A RAID-0/1 IDE 
controller can be had for $20 (I happen to have one on hand), a RAID-5 
capable controller costs a couple hundred bucks and you need at least 3 
drives, not in my opinion worth it unless you are a corporation.


Actually since I have two 40gb drives in my desktop computer, all I 
would have to do to make it into a small fileserver (it even has 
redundant power supplies thanks to them being cheaper on ebay than a 
single replacement locally) is install the raid controller. Now that I 
have a laptop again, I may just do that and use the laptop as my 
workstation. On the other hand I also have a SCSI RAID-5 controller in 
my junk box, anyone want to donate 5-6 large ultra-wide scsi drives?


graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
---


Jostein wrote:

Dear all,

Thanks to all who contributed to the thread "OT: how do you store your
precious moments for posterity". Some people defiantly responded with a
well-established way of maintaining film archives. My apologies for not 
stating that I was primarily interested in _digital_ archiving. :-) 


Many solutions have been suggested, but none have been priced. It would
be very interesting to hear how much people have invested in hardware for
their backup solution.

I made some investigations based on Norwegian prices. Here are the alternatives
I have considered:

DVDs

Capacity: 4.7 GB
Cost: 12 USD (the most expensive discs I found)
Cost/GB: 0,5 USD 
Expected life: 5-10 years


The cheapest discs would give a cost of 0,1 USD/GB, but I'll stick with
the most expensive, high-quality acclaimed, stuff for this calculation.

Single harddrives, USB/FW:
--
Capacity: 200-500 GB
Cost: 180-450 USD
Cost/GB: 1,1 USD (average, surprisingly little variance)
Expected life: 5-7 years? Have found little data.

Single harddrives, networked:
-
10-15% more expensive than the USB/FW counterparts, but otherwise identical.

RAID-5 file servers:

Only two products researched.
Capacity: 900 GB
Cost: 1550 USD
Cost/GB: 1.72 USD
Expected life: presumably as for other harddrives, but with added fault
tolerance.


Interestingly, even for the most expensive DVDs in the market, 
the storage per GB is cheaper than for any harddrive setup. 
DVDs also requires the least investment in hardware. 
A good quality burner and software costs less than a hard drive,

and the media can be bought as you go.

The annual need for storage space depends on type of camera, file format and
production volume. I have an *istD, so I'll make my calculations based
on that.

The *istD produce RAW-files of ca. 13 MB size. I shoot RAW exclusively.

Different volumes and storage space:
 1000 exp. =  13 GB
 5000 exp. =  65 GB
1 exp. = 130 GB

At an annual production of 5000 images, the expected lifetime of a RAID-5
is less than the time it takes to fill it up. So shelling out big bucks on a
large storage system seems a waste, moneywise.

What could change the balance of the equation is the convenience of having
the images accessible on harddrives, rather than rummaging around to find
the right DVD. I guess the weight of this factor will be different for
everyone.

Another thing that could change the balance is Graywolf's suggestion of
bying a RAID-5 controller for an older PC and recycle some hardware. This is
indeed an option for the technically literate, but certainly not for everyone.
Personally, I don't have any suitable hardware for the purpose. :-(

I think a RAID-5 solution is out of range for me because of the investment cost,
but the thought of using simple NAS units is very appealing. Then I can buy
units with as much storage space as my production level requires, and add new
ones as needed.

thanks again,

Jostein





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Re: Life in the Raw

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Apr 28, 2006, at 9:25 AM, John Francis wrote:


I'm a big fan of having an open-raw format, but I have yet to see
a way that DNG benefits me.  There is no open-source converter . . .


Nor, apparently, is there much interest in one.  I established a
sourceforge project to produce one of these several months ago.
I got absolutely no response then to inquiries on various forums
to see who might want one.  Since then, in the ensuing months,
I have received precisely one query from an interested party.


I checked:

dcraw's current source base includes DNG compatibility. From
 http://www.cybercom.net/~dcoffin/dcraw/


...
*Does dcraw work with my camera?*

Most likely, yes. The cameras listed below are supported. If your  
camera is not on the list, try dcraw anyway. If it doesn't work,  
post a raw image to a website and e-mail me the URL. If you don't  
have a website, use Dropload or YouSendIt.


Ideally, your sample image should show a standard white card or  
color chart in direct sunlight, with other colors in the background.

  * Adobe Digital Negative (DNG)
  * AVT F-145C
[compatibility list snipped for brevity]
...


There's very little motivation for people to subscribe to a different  
RAW conversion source base than dcraw. dcraw libraries, in whole or  
in part, are used by almost every vendor of RAW conversion utilities  
other than the manufacturers themselves.


Godfrey

Re: Local Gas Prices

[Tom C]

I just listened to an NPR program broadcast yesterday.  Overall I thought 
the industry analyst answered many questions vaguely with a little spin.


He did say (big surprise coming) "Gas companies are not philanthropic 
organizations".


The single one item that bothers me is that oil companies are making record 
profits.  I don't know quite how this works, but in my simple mind the oil 
companies producing the crude oil and the major gasoline refiners buying the 
crude oil are one and the same, or at least they seemed to be named very 
similarly.


The report stated that oil companies are bringing crude oil to market at a 
cost of $7 - $8 per barrel.  Yet it's selling at 10X that amount.  An open 
market is one thing, but who is bidding on and buying that crude oil for 
$75/barrel?  Isn't it the gasoline refiners (read oil companies)?  *If* they 
all bid the price up to buy their own oil at high prices, then worldwide all 
buyers (non-oil producers) are forced to buy at high price, wouldn't this be 
the case?


So it seems to me at least, that oil companies themselves may be creating 
the artifically high selling prices for crude oil in the same way shill 
bidding raises the price in an e-bay auction.  If they pay a high price for 
their own crude oil, it's like taking money from the left pocket and putting 
it in the right. Then the wholesale price of gasoline can be 'legitimately' 
raised by the refiners (oil companies) because it cost them more for the 
oil.


In addition it was stated that several years ago the markup on refining was 
$.15/$.20 a gallon and now it's $.50/$.60 a gallon.


Maybe I've got it wrong... but the statements that the oil companies are 
merely responding to the market is a shallow sham and rings hollow.


Tom C.

Re: Local Gas Prices

[frank theriault]

On 4/27/06, Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Can it be we'll someday look back wistfully on these prices when we
remember the good old days?  What are the prices in your area?

http://home.earthlink.net/~shel-pix/gasprices.html


I ride a bike.

cheers,
frank, who also rides transit, and knows that rising gas prices will
eventually bite him in the ass, but can't help but be smug


--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

[graywolf]

Well you are taking about theory and I am talking about observed prints.

Those prints I were made about 6 months ago on a current model Epson 
with Epson ink and Epson paper. However it is a low end model printer as 
I can not afford anything else. I was showing them outdoors to a friend 
and noticed that in the sunlight they looked rather grainy. Upon closer 
examination I say that the ink had apparently dried and shrunk a bit 
leaving a network of tiny cracks in the image. It is not noticeable to 
my old eyes in normal room light where the prints look good, but in the 
the relentless light of the sun, it is.


One of the things about Epson printers that I have noticed over the 
years is that the archival qualities of their prints seems to be more in 
they advertising than in the prints themselves. The other brands seem to 
be more conservative with their claims.


graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
---


Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
The keeping quality of inkjet prints depends upon both the ink type and 
the mating of paper and ink, as well as the archival qualities of the 
paper itself. I'm not sure what you mean by reticulation ... What I see 
in my older dye-based inkjet prints that have faded is oxidation of the 
dyes, due to the dye as well as the fact that it didn't mate well with 
the paper.


A lot has happened in inkjet technology over the past several years. 
Today's better printers use either very carefully formulated dyes and 
paper that allow the paper to trap and encapsulate the dyes, protect 
them from oxidation, or pigment based inks that are much more resistant 
to fading than the older dye based inks. Epson's been the pioneer in 
this latter technology. Stress-aged pigment-ink prints on archival 
papers now show projected longevity in the hundreds of years.


Certainly long enough for me. :-)

Godfrey

On Apr 27, 2006, at 4:37 PM, graywolf wrote:

I make prints of selected images. I guess I feel those are the ones 
worth keeping. Physical copies of everything would just be too 
expensive. BTW, unlike others I am not too enthused with the keeping 
quality of ink jet prints, especially since I noticed some 
reticulation in some not so old prints.



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Checked by AVG Free Edition.
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Nothing coming in, am i getting out?

[brooksdj]

No ,ail on either platform for some time now. Third 
time this month.

Am i getting out at least.

Dave

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

[Aaron Reynolds]

On Apr 28, 2006, at 11:20 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

This is one of the arguments for using the manufacturers' recommended 
OEM papers, of course.


Except my base shrinkage and cracking problem occurred with a 
supposedly archival Epson paper (since discontinued), using an archival 
Epson printer.


-Aaron

Re: Life in the Raw

[John Francis]

On Fri, Apr 28, 2006 at 08:18:15AM -0400, Cory Papenfuss wrote:
> >I agree that the proprietary formats are a bad thing for the
> >photographer and photography in general.
> >
> >I'm a big fan of DNG and convert my raw files immediately.
> >
>   I'm a big fan of having an open-raw format, but I have yet to see 
> a way that DNG benefits me.  There is no open-source converter . . .

Nor, apparently, is there much interest in one.  I established a
sourceforge project to produce one of these several months ago.
I got absolutely no response then to inquiries on various forums
to see who might want one.  Since then, in the ensuing months,
I have received precisely one query from an interested party.

Re: no messages...

[graywolf]

Hum...? Seems like it would be just as easy to set up a filter to strip 
the html code from the message, and that would not take up extra 
bandwidth. However, I would not bother just send the message to the bit 
bucket. However you should probably make sure the subscribe 
acknowledgment message makes the plain text requirement clear.


My thanks again for all the effort you put into maintaining the list, Doug.

graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
---


Doug Brewer wrote:

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

Good sleuthing, Doug!

For similar reasons, one of the other mailing list servers (on which  
I admin three lists) has always maintained the restriction of "Plain  
Text Only". Any message sent  from a subscribed address with a styled  
text or other attachment is returned to the originator with a memo  
for re-posting. All other such messages are reported to the  
administrator only and deleted.


Godfrey


Yeah, that's te general idea.

Re: FS: a book - shipping clarification

[Juan Buhler]

Whoa!  Thanks Tim for posting that!  I didn't post there because of
those rules... :)

[hope noone here was bothered in that way]

Cheers,

j

On 4/28/06, Tim Øsleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Ups:
"Be a bit careful of the forum rules about advertising though..."
I didn't think of it as advertising.


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)

Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds
(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)

> -Original Message-
> From: Tim Øsleby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 28. april 2006 12:50
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: RE: FS: a book - shipping clarification
>
> "Somebody" has done some marketing ;-)
> http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036&message=18223777
>
>
> Tim
> Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
>
> Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds
> (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Juan Buhler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: 28. april 2006 11:23
> > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> > Subject: Re: FS: a book - shipping clarification
> >
> > After checking usps.gov, and getting scared a bit about shipping
> > costs, I went ahead and set up two tiers: now international shipping
> > is $10. If you are offended by this, are overseas, and still want to
> > order, please go ahead and select "US" when asked--I'll still ship to
> > you for $5.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > j
> >
> > On 4/28/06, Juan Buhler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > As I announced, I'm offering my new book for sale.
> > >
> > > 8x6.5", hard cover, bound in black cloth with dark grey faux *suede*
> > > gloved spine. No Swedish people were hurt in its production.
> > >
> > > It contains 30 images, 16 of which are the ones in my show. It is a
> > > limited edition of 200, signed and numbered.
> > >
> > > FWIW, all photographs were taken with my ist D in 2005 and early 2006.
> > >
> > > The price is $60, plus $5 for packing and shipping. Or $100 for the
> > > book plus an 8x12 print of your choice from my show. You can get
> > > better books by better photographers for less money at Borders, but
> > > hey.
> > >
> > > To get one, place an order here:
> > >
> > > http://www.jbuhler.com/buy/book.html
> > >
> > > The shopping cart software I use can accept Paypal, or you can choose
> > > to send me a check or money order.
> > >
> > > As an offer to the pdml and because the price I had estimated at the
> > > beginning was slightly lower, enter this voucher code to get a 10%
> > > discount:
> > >
> > > 920460260051
> > >
> > > Please allow a couple of weeks for delivery, as I need to get together
> > > a few orders before getting them to print. I expect I will be able to
> > > place the printing order early/mid next week though.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > j
> > >
> > > --
> > > Juan Buhler
> > > Water Molotov: http://photoblog.jbuhler.com
> > > Slippery Slope: http://color.jbuhler.com
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Juan Buhler
> > Water Molotov: http://photoblog.jbuhler.com
> > Slippery Slope: http://color.jbuhler.com
> >
>
>
>








--
Juan Buhler
Water Molotov: http://photoblog.jbuhler.com
Slippery Slope: http://color.jbuhler.com

Re: Local Gas Prices

[Martin Trautmann]

On 2006-04-28 11:47, graywolf wrote:
> The concept that public transportation is cheaper 
> is based upon the unfounded idea that it is always operation at 
> capacity.

I don't think so. The numbers which I remember where always based on
certain capacity averages - such as more than one, but less than five per
car.

> In fact very little public transportation operates at more 
> than 10% of capacity overall.

I'd say that only few use more than 100 % (although many do within rush
hours, while there are some countries or routes which have > 90 % 'rush'
hours).

> After all it has to be sized to carry the 
> rush hour traffic, 

No - there are modular approaches. Smaller planes, less waggons or
extended frequency for low traffic times.

> but has to run all the time or it would not be a 
> viable alternative at all.

That's ist's strength. A bus may run 12 hours a day, where you do use your
own car around half an hour only.

> I have often noticed that "Eco Freaks" have a 
> very strange concept of how economics work.

I've noticed that, too. But I notice as well that people just expect their
right for free traffic (streets don't come for free), consuming fossile
resources, poluting the environment, creating C0_2 etc. Coould you imagine
that from the Eco's point of view the other behavior may look very
strange?

- Martin

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Apr 28, 2006, at 8:40 AM, Aaron Reynolds wrote:

This is one of the arguments for using the manufacturers'  
recommended OEM papers, of course.


Except my base shrinkage and cracking problem occurred with a  
supposedly archival Epson paper (since discontinued), using an  
archival Epson printer.


LOL ... I didn't say that it was a *valid* argument... ;-)

Godfrey
  "... this is an expired parrot, an ex-squawker, a parrot which has  
seen more lively days ..."

Re: no messages...

[graywolf]

Interesting isn't it? I mean how everything is connected.

Yes, I agree sending bogus and/or html formatted mail to the bit bucket 
is the best way to deal with it. Even on the local personal level 
bouncing mail is not a good idea, it just multiplies the bandwidth waste.


If the spammers knew how effective my spam filters are they would quit 
wasting their time sending it to me .


graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
---


Doug Brewer wrote:
The PDML server has landed back on the SpamCop blacklist, and I'm sure 
others (haven't checked yet). This has been somewhat of a puzzlement to 
me, because with SpamCop it has to be reported. Since it's a closed 
list, and the only recipients have to =ask= to get the email, who would 
report it as spam? hmmm...


So yesterday I'm staring at the screen, and it comes to me. The server 
=is= sending out spam. The script I have to reject HTML/enriched 
text/etc sends back a bounce message. Many of you have seen these 
messages-- "please send your message in Plain Text.."-- so you'll know 
what happened to your message.


The problem here is that an incredible amount of real spam bombards the 
list address daily. Most of it is enriched in some way. And here is the 
key: spammers generally use spoofed (fake) return addresses to make 
themselves harder to track. The addresses used are generally legit 
addresses with spam blocking enabled.


So...

When the PDML server bounces the spam, it doesn't go back to the 
spammer, it goes, in all its enriched glory, to the address listed in 
the headers, thus ticking off spam filters worldwide and being reported 
to the various blacklists.


My task today is to adjust the bounce procedure to not include the 
original message, or, failing that, to just eat the offending message 
and not responding at all. The downside to that, of course, will mean 
that you must remember to set your PDML messages to Plain Text, or they 
will just disappear.


I hate to have to do that, but in the interest of better, more 
consistent, delivery of the PDML traffic, I will.


It is my fervent hope that my mucking about in the code will not 
adversely affect the continued operation of the PDML server, but in the 
event of an outage, I do have everything backed up as a Plan B list, and 
can switch to that while I continue working.


And speaking of work, I have to do all this while also attempting to 
accomplish real work-related work while I am here at work. (!)


Thanks for your patience and continued support,

Doug
List Guy
now, what happens is I push =this= button...?


mike wilson wrote:

 since about middle of the evening yesterday -  about 12 hours ago.

Archive seems to be working, so I know the list is functioning in some 
way.


Is it something I said?

mike

Re: no messages...

[Doug Brewer]

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

Good sleuthing, Doug!

For similar reasons, one of the other mailing list servers (on which  I 
admin three lists) has always maintained the restriction of "Plain  Text 
Only". Any message sent  from a subscribed address with a styled  text 
or other attachment is returned to the originator with a memo  for 
re-posting. All other such messages are reported to the  administrator 
only and deleted.


Godfrey


Yeah, that's te general idea.

Re: PESO - Sea Flower (Who Needs Fish?)

[Rick Womer]

Very nice, Marnie.  I like the contrast between the
bright white creature and everything else.  Isn't that
a sea anemone, BTW?

Rick

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Another from the Monterey Bay Aquarium. This was in
> a large, large, tank that 
> went around several corners. Full of fish, including
> sharks, and one huge 
> fish bigger than the sharks (maybe a grouper sp?) --
> about 5 feet long. I asked a 
> museum docent and was told, but forget now. Anyway,
> the tank was really too 
> dark to shoot any of the fish inside of it.
> 
> But this was right near the glass. I had to clean it
> up quite a bit -- lots 
> of speckling. Mainly from spots on the glass, I
> think, but some may have been 
> bits of fish food floating in the water too. I may
> clean it up even more later.
> 
> Disclaimers:  Remember, shot through glass, through
> water, and with a large f 
> stop (and accidentally shot JPEG rather than RAW).
> 
> It's simple, but I like it. Yea, I know it's not
> really a flower, but it sort 
> of looks like one.
> 
>
http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/seaflower.htm
> 
> Comments welcome.
> 
> Marnie aka Doe   
> 
> P.S.  I was really asking the docent why the sharks
> weren't eating the other 
> fish. She said all the fish in the tank were
> compatible and those sharks were 
> too small to do so. She said with great whites... it
> would be a different 
> story. :-)
> 
> 


http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW

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Re: Local Gas Prices

[graywolf]

What makes you think public transportation is more evironmentally 
friendly than private? My only jet airliner trip had about 12 passengers 
on board. I figure that cost about 100 times as much for fuel per person 
as driving cars did. The concept that public transportation is cheaper 
is based upon the unfounded idea that it is always operation at 
capacity. In fact very little public transportation operates at more 
than 10% of capacity overall. After all it has to be sized to carry the 
rush hour traffic, but has to run all the time or it would not be a 
viable alternative at all. I have often noticed that "Eco Freaks" have a 
very strange concept of how economics work.


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Tim Øsleby wrote:


Did I sat I would go by car? ;-)
The truth is that I am, but I _do_ travel a lot by public transport. 

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

[David Savage]

Yep. My experience convinced me to stick with Epson's paper.

I have had good results with Ilford's paper though.

Dave S.

On 4/28/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

This is one of the arguments for using the manufacturers' recommended
OEM papers, of course.

Godfrey

On Apr 28, 2006, at 7:31 AM, David Savage wrote:

> It's only happened to prints made on cheap Kodak paper, which in my
> experience didn't get along too well with Epson's inks.
>
> Dave S.

Re: no messages...

[Mark Roberts]

Cotty wrote:

>On 28/4/06, Doug Brewer, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>So...
>
>When the PDML server bounces the spam, it doesn't go back to the spammer, 
>it goes, in all its enriched glory, to the address listed in the headers, 

I'll bet it won't surprise you at all to learn that spammers do this
deliberately, so as to use your mailing list as a de facto "forwarding
service" (to make it difficult or impossible for the recipients to
tell where it *really* came from).

>thus ticking off spam filters worldwide and being reported to the various 
>blacklists. 

If you're blacklisted within a couple days of being delisted, it's a
safe bet that some spammer *is* deliberately using your server as his
forwarding service. It happened to my university's mail server last
fall.

>My task today is to adjust the bounce procedure to not include the original 
>message, or, failing that, to just eat the offending message and not 
>responding at all. The downside to that, of course, will mean that you must 
>remember to set your PDML messages to Plain Text, or they will just disappear. 
>
>> I hate to have to do that, but in the interest of better, more 
>> consistent, delivery of the PDML traffic, I will.
>
>I love you and want to have your babies.

Please don't have Cotty's babies. The one spawn he's generated already
is more than enough ;-)

Re: Local Gas Prices

[graywolf]

Ah yes, the village economy where everyone lives in poverty not just a 
few. If it were not for living in a global economy I would not have the 
few luxuries I do have (which are mostly cast offs from the more 
affluent). No thanks, I have no desire to go back to the dark ages. I 
figure that most of the people who think that is a good idea also think 
that they would be part of the nobility and not one of the peasants.


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---


Tim Øsleby wrote:

I don't have time for a large debate, I'm going away, but I just have to get
this off my chest:

And who says we _have_ to transport our daily life goods around the globe?
IMO, doing that is plain stupidity. Buy local food slow food. I try to live
by that slogan, but it is near impossible. 
Ok, some goods can't be produced locally, coffee, cameras and a few other

essential goods. But most goods can, we know it, but we simply ignore it.
This is because many of us don't care about what we do to Mother Earth. (I'm
not accusing any specific persons, please have that in mind).

Sorry about this political outburst. Let me add a little friendly :-)


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
 
Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds 
(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)



-Original Message-
From: mike.wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 28. april 2006 16:13
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Local Gas Prices

Shel wrote:

That's a very short-sighted point of view.  Higher fuel prices effect

just

about every aspect of your life, from the cost of basic foods to home
services.  Most everything is transported somehow, and the cost of fuel

is

a major factor in the rising cost of goods, as manufacturers and
distributors raise their prices to accommodate the higher fuel costs and
try to maintain their profit.

Shel




[Original Message]
From: David Mann
NZ$1.70 a litre for 91.  It seems to go up on a weekly basis now, but
being predominantly pedal-powered I find it difficult to care.

The short-sighted point of view is _burning_ fossil resources.

m

Re: Local Gas Prices

[Gonz]

graywolf wrote:
Unfortunately in 99% of the US today an automobile is a necessity not a 
luxury. That said, do not believe that price does not affect gas usage.
Many people I know have reduced their non-mandatory travel quite a lot. 
However that was last year and much of non-necessary mileage is already 
gone from the budget. One does have to go to work or school or whatever, 
no matter what the price of gasoline is. Since I moved up here into the 
mountains I have had to first reduce my pleasure travel to nil, then do 
the same with visiting out of town friends. I still drive into town, 5 
miles, to the post office Monday to Saturday, mostly just to get out of 
the apartment and socialize a bit. If gas keeps going up I will probably 
be stuck only driving to and from appointments. As it is I am now only 
burning one tank of gas a month but that is nearly 10% of my income. 


Geesh!  Thats alot.  Get a moped man, its only 5 miles. ;)

Even my more affluent friends have cut their annual mileage in half over 
the past couple of years ago. Remember half of the families in the US 
make under $30K a year, these kinds of gas prices hurt them badly. Not 
to mention that the price of food goes up proportionally with the price 
of gas.


So far the price of other stuff has not gone up that much.  Maybe its 
because the gas cost is a small percentage of the actual product.




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P. J. Alling wrote:

I've seen predictions of $5-6 US per gallon being being where price 
starts making a differenced to gas sales, looks like that might be right.


Lucas Rijnders wrote:

Op Fri, 28 Apr 2006 05:07:55 +0200 schreef P. J. Alling  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:



About $2.99 for regular.




Quickly approaching €1,50/l (which is about $7,- per gallon). Glad I 
ride  a bicycle to work :o)



I haven't seen any fewer cars on the road...




No, but people do adapt their style of driving to save fuel. Last 
year,  when the gas prices went over €1,40/l Shell reported 5 to 10% 
decrease in  sales in the Netherlands. They were very surprised, as 
gas is said to be  very price-insensitive.



Shel Belinkoff wrote:


Can it be we'll someday look back wistfully on these prices when we
remember the good old days?  What are the prices in your area?
 http://home.earthlink.net/~shel-pix/gasprices.html












--
Someone handed me a picture and said, "This is a picture of me when I 
was younger." Every picture of you is when you were younger. "...Here's 
a picture of me when I'm older." Where'd you get that camera man?

- Mitch Hedberg

Re: Local Gas Prices

[David Savage]

It may be cheap but those big ships sure us a lot of fuel.

The boat I'm working on at the moment has 3 Caterpillar diesel engines
driving 3 electric generators. According to the engine specs average
fuel consumption per engine is about 350-370 L/hr. The big 16 & 18
cylinder Cat engines use anywhere between 1300-1700 L/hr. And these
are small engines :-)

Shipping is still the most efficient way to bulk transport goods, but
it uses a hell of a lot of fossil fuel.

Dave S.

On 4/28/06, Martin Trautmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On 2006-04-28 16:34, Tim Øsleby wrote:
> I don't have time for a large debate, I'm going away, but I just have to get
> this off my chest:
>
> And who says we _have_ to transport our daily life goods around the globe?
> IMO, doing that is plain stupidity. Buy local food slow food. I try to live
> by that slogan, but it is near impossible.

I'm always surprised how cheap it is. Apart from ships dedicated e.g. to
south american orange juice (I don't know what they transport backwards),
it's amazingly cheap to ship a full container of tea or other stuff around
the world, when you spread these costs on the product itself. Transporting
this futher on by truck may cost much more for the final miles.

That's one of the reasons why transporting apples from the other side of
the continent (including low farming and harvest costs) is much cheaper
that the local fruits around. Not a good idea - but still a reasonable
economic behavior.

> This is because many of us don't care about what we do to Mother Earth. (I'm
> not accusing any specific persons, please have that in mind).

You should not go away now. Better to stay at home instead of driving
around. The individual's motorized traffic is one of the major wastes of
energy (together with heating in this county or cooling elswhere).

> Sorry about this political outburst. Let me add a little friendly :-)

Don't get me wrong ;-)
Martin

Re: Local Gas Prices

[graywolf]

The 70's were a period of runaway inflation. Prices double about every 3 
years but wages went up the same. Now prices are doubling and tripling 
but wages are not going up much. One of the things that held gas prices 
down in the US was the fact that the governments had a fix tax per 
gallon. The past few years the Feds and the States have changed to a 
percentage tax so that multiplies any base price increase at the 
consumer level.


graywolf
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http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf
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---


Gonz wrote:
I've heard that adjusted for inflation, gas is cheaper now than during 
the 70's.

Re: OT: the cost of digital storage

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Apr 28, 2006, at 4:27 AM, Jostein wrote:

What could change the balance of the equation is the convenience of  
having
the images accessible on harddrives, rather than rummaging around  
to find

the right DVD. I guess the weight of this factor will be different for
everyone.


It's not just convenience. I spent nearly three weeks coalescing  
65,000 image/photo files stored on over 150 CD/DVD volumes back into  
a usable, searchable hard disk repository. The amount of time spent  
just mounting, copying, and unmounting those small volumes alone was  
a considerable portion of the days of work involved. Brought into a  
single hard disk repository, I can apply software to verify the files  
automatically on a periodic basis ... that's simply not practicable  
for a large library of small, slow volumes which must be manually  
loaded individually.


Godfrey