Re: Re: PESO - wood structures

2006-06-24 Thread Powell Hargrave

>Not the site - the programme showing the slide show is such an intensive 
>user of the graphics card that, once started, it hogs the computer until it 
>sorts itself out.  Very inconvenient but, ultimately, not harmful.

Could have been if I had had unsaved data.  Which I didn't.

Powell

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Re: PESO - wood structures

2006-06-24 Thread Powell Hargrave

>Something similar happened when I tried it on a 2001 vintage 
>Fujitsu-Siemens PC in the office, after I had upgraded the ActiveX. 
>Mike Without knowing the exact hardware involved, I suspect that an 
>older type 3D support in the graphics card is the culprit. The office 
>PC has behaved normally afterwards.

It showed me one picture played some nice music and rebooted my computer.
Will check for newer drivers.

Powell

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Re: OT: Another Photo Contest

2006-06-24 Thread Doug Brewer

On Jun 24, 2006, at 5:34 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>
> Glad Doug isn't reading this thread.
>
> Marnie

*cough*

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Re: K100D SR

2006-06-24 Thread Adam Maas
Aaron Reynolds wrote:

>On Jun 25, 2006, at 12:50 AM, Adam Maas wrote:
>
>  
>
>>The difference between the DL and DL2 is the AF unt (3 point vs 5
>>point), the LCD is the same 2.5" unit introduced on the DL, and common
>>with the DS2.
>>
>>
>
>See, I knew I'd screw some of it up.
>
>-Aaron
>
>  
>
Don't worry about it ;-) It's hard to keep track of with all the minor 
differences.

-Adam

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Re: PESO - MIssed Opportunity

2006-06-24 Thread John Francis


It looks like a very awkward position for the bird - it's hard to
be sure what it's doing.  I find the sharp head, but narrow depth
of field, makes it look almost as if the bird has stuck it's head
through a piece of tissue paper, and is struggling to get away.
I also think it needs a little more room to the left.

I'd like to see the leg (grabbing for the peanut?) more clearly,
and would prefer the rear peanut, rather than the foreground one,
to be what attracted my eye in the lower part of the frame.


On Sat, Jun 24, 2006 at 09:54:40PM -0700, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> Hi John, It's a pleasant surprise to see you commenting.  If you care to
> take the time, please post specifically what you find objectionable, and
> why.
> 
> Shel
> 
> 
> 
> > [Original Message]
> > From: John Francis 
> 
> > > http://home.earthlink.net/~morepix/Birds/missed.html
> >
> > Well, the subject fills most of the frame quite well,
> > and the exposure seems reasonable.
> >
> > Other than that, there's not a lot to recommend it.
> 
> 
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Re: K100D SR

2006-06-24 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Jun 25, 2006, at 12:50 AM, Adam Maas wrote:

> The difference between the DL and DL2 is the AF unt (3 point vs 5
> point), the LCD is the same 2.5" unit introduced on the DL, and common
> with the DS2.

See, I knew I'd screw some of it up.

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Re: PESO - MIssed Opportunity

2006-06-24 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Thanks ... you are bucking the tide of PDML opinion - my kinda guy ;-))

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: gibikote 

> for the first one, this is very good!
> there is the 'subcategory' of flight 
> pics as well, and you have got a hybrid 
> pic :-))
> I have a feeling you will be taking many more bird pics.



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Re: PESO - MIssed Opportunity

2006-06-24 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Never saw such a message ... the archives aren't coming up for me so I
can't search to find the comment to which you refer ;-((

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Ann Sanfedele

> I love bluejays and like the motion in the bird - but I'd
> clone out the nuts as they add too much of a scatalogical 
> tone to the shot - as , um, some wag pointed out in a 
> more succinct way :)


> So, for better or for worse, here's my first bird picture.
> http://home.earthlink.net/~morepix/Birds/missed.html



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Re: PESO - MIssed Opportunity

2006-06-24 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Hi John, It's a pleasant surprise to see you commenting.  If you care to
take the time, please post specifically what you find objectionable, and
why.

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: John Francis 

> > http://home.earthlink.net/~morepix/Birds/missed.html
>
> Well, the subject fills most of the frame quite well,
> and the exposure seems reasonable.
>
> Other than that, there's not a lot to recommend it.



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Re: K100D SR

2006-06-24 Thread Adam Maas
The difference between the DL and DL2 is the AF unt (3 point vs 5 
point), the LCD is the same 2.5" unit introduced on the DL, and common 
with the DS2.

-Adam


Aaron Reynolds wrote:

>On Jun 24, 2006, at 8:26 AM, gfen wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Pentax has released this many digital cameras?
>>
>>
>
>The SLRs that we've seen:
>
>*ist D - the "pro" body, now eclipsed in some ways by the consumer 
>bodies that followed
>*istDS - same sensor and viewfinder, different control layout, smaller, 
>no battery grip, faster write speed and larger buffer
>*istDL - same as the DS but with a pentamirror instead of a pentaprism, 
>fewer AF points, poorer flash handling, smaller buffer
>*istDS2 - same as the DS but with a bigger rear LCD
>*istDL2 - same as the DL but with a bigger rear LCD
>
>So really there are only three bodies -- the two "2" versions are just 
>really minor updates.  All of these except the DL2 are currently out of 
>production.
>
>What's coming:
>
>K100D - midway between the DS2 and the DL2, with the pentamirror and a 
>smaller buffer but with the addition of body-side anti-shake
>K110D - the K100D without anti-shake
>
>Those two will be out in the next few weeks.
>
>K10D - anti-shake, 10MP sensor, not much else is really known for 
>certain.  At least, not that people can talk about.
>
>-Aaron
>
>  
>


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Re: PESO - MIssed Opportunity

2006-06-24 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Thanks Bruce - I bow to your applause 

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Bruce Dayton 

> Interesting first attempt.  Quite a mix of sharpness and motion blur.
> Certainly not a cliche shot, but not particularly appealing.  Kind of
> like, viewing it once is interesting, but not something I would view
> over and over.  I applaud your desire to do something beyond the
> usual.

SB> http://home.earthlink.net/~morepix/Birds/missed.html

SB> istDS, 1/250 sec, f/4.0, K135/2.5 hand held



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Re: K100D SR

2006-06-24 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Jun 24, 2006, at 8:26 AM, gfen wrote:

> Pentax has released this many digital cameras?

The SLRs that we've seen:

*ist D - the "pro" body, now eclipsed in some ways by the consumer 
bodies that followed
*istDS - same sensor and viewfinder, different control layout, smaller, 
no battery grip, faster write speed and larger buffer
*istDL - same as the DS but with a pentamirror instead of a pentaprism, 
fewer AF points, poorer flash handling, smaller buffer
*istDS2 - same as the DS but with a bigger rear LCD
*istDL2 - same as the DL but with a bigger rear LCD

So really there are only three bodies -- the two "2" versions are just 
really minor updates.  All of these except the DL2 are currently out of 
production.

What's coming:

K100D - midway between the DS2 and the DL2, with the pentamirror and a 
smaller buffer but with the addition of body-side anti-shake
K110D - the K100D without anti-shake

Those two will be out in the next few weeks.

K10D - anti-shake, 10MP sensor, not much else is really known for 
certain.  At least, not that people can talk about.

-Aaron

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Re: A Week With the DA 16-45

2006-06-24 Thread Shel Belinkoff
And others that were not posted, such as a still life made in my family
room, some shots of tools, and a pic of a wine label. I didn't post them
because, in order for them to be meaningful to someone else, they'd have to
be large files, and, as we all know, I have a slow connection.  I just
pointed to the pics mentioned because they were already on line, and
because they were the type of photos about which I had concerns.  I chose
to make the tests inside the house to avoid the possibility of movement and
shake by the wind, both of the camera/tripod combination and the subjects.

Paul's right Boris - I was testing and comparing lenses, not how steady I
can hold a camera.  Shake Reduction?  Bring it on! 

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Paul Stenquist 

> You're wrong. Handheld tests are meaningless no matter if they're "real 
> life" or not. However, Shel pointed out that his blue jean shots were 
> indeed done with a tripod. So his conclusions are much more valid than 
> I first thought.

> > Paul, my I humbly point out that tests of a lens for test sake (taking
> > measurements) indeed should be taken in controlled environment. Correct
> > me, if I am wrong, but I think Shel was referring to test as in - 
> > seeing
> > how the lens performs in real life usage (as per Shel's own style as
> > well) situations...



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Re: K10D Tidbits

2006-06-24 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Jun 25, 2006, at 12:11 AM, John Francis wrote:

>  http://panix.com/~johnf/temp/pentax_K100D.jpg

Brilliant.

-Aaron

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Re: A Week With the DA 16-45

2006-06-24 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Jun 24, 2006, at 11:51 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

> Handheld tests are meaningless no matter if they're "real
> life" or not.

I beg to differ -- they allow one to know whether or not a lens is 
suitable for one's style of shooting, if one's style happens to be 
hand-holding.  They are useless as "resolution tests", but I don't 
think anyone was suggesting that a resolution test should be shot 
hand-held.  Personally, I suggest that resolution tests be shot on 
tripods by people who work for magazines that I don't buy.

I figured out something today -- I have a 21mm lens that's an oldie and 
a cheapie.  I have a hell of a time getting anything sharp out of it at 
any aperture, except when I am totally still or on a tripod or monopod. 
  It's significantly poorer, hand-held at the same shutter speeds, than 
my 50mm, which makes no sense at all.

Today I shook the camera and felt a funny vibration.  Changed lenses, 
no vibration.  Went back to the 21mm, vibration.  There's something 
spring-like that's vaguely loose inside of it that appears to magnify 
slight vibrations, making it nearly impossible to hand-hold.

It means that the lens is probably broken in some way.  But if I only 
tested it on a tripod, it would perform very well.

By the way -- tripod tests are where the totally false "You can't 
hand-hold a Pentax 67" rumors came from.  Tests were done on an 
underweight tripod that revealed a whole lotta vibration.  The author 
then extrapolated that if the camera was no good on a tripod, well, it 
MUST be worse hand-held!  Of course, since he drew his initial 
conclusion wrongly (he simply proved that his tripod was no damned 
good), his extrapolation was also wrong.

Of course, I can post those high-res scans of hand-held Pentax 67 negs 
all I want, but no one will believe little old me, the guy who, you 
know, ACTUALLY TRIED IT.

-Aaron

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Re: OT: Making Cards with Photos

2006-06-24 Thread Eactivist
Thanks -P (Peter?) and Godfrey. Will check out.

Marnie aka Doe 

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Re: PESO - MIssed Opportunity

2006-06-24 Thread Kenneth Waller
>One of > the big objections I have with bird pics is that so many of them,
> regardless of how well executed they are, are rehashes of the same photo -
> a bird sitting on a branch with a blurred background.

Agreed Shel.

Once you've got the 'basic bird' shot, the next level involves capturing the 
bird in some sort of unique activity or composition. I recently saw just 
such a shot from an old boss of mine. He had captured two egrets with their 
necks crossed and below the necks were three young ones in their nest. 
Definitely a next level image.
BTW he won a fairly large local competition with that image.

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message - 
From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "PDML" 
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 6:16 PM
Subject: PESO - MIssed Opportunity


> Hi gang,
>
> This morning I decided to try my unsteady hand at bird photography.  One 
> of
> the big objections I have with bird pics is that so many of them,
> regardless of how well executed they are, are rehashes of the same photo -
> a bird sitting on a branch with a blurred background.  They can be great,
> showing wonderful detail, and showing off the technical excellence of long
> glass, auto focus, and perhaps even fast frame rates. However, I wanted to
> try something different.
>
> Birds are often fast moving, creatures of action, but they can also be
> creatures of habit.  The various jays at my friend Zeo's house come by for
> peanuts, so this morning a few peanuts were laid out, and I got close with
> an old manual focus lens, slipped the DS into manual mode, and went at it
> hand held.  So, for better or for worse, here's my first bird picture.
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~morepix/Birds/missed.html
>
> istDS, 1/250 sec, f/4.0, K135/2.5 hand held
>
> Comments, crits welcome ...
>
>
> Shel
>
>
>
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Re: PESO - MIssed Opportunity

2006-06-24 Thread Shel Belinkoff
I didn't say that ... I said "more serious," meaning, as suggested by
mentioning the park, looking for less common species, learning more about
habitats and habits, and the like.  While not completely ignorant about
birds - I used to do a little bird watching and still have a nice, but
small, collection of bird handbooks - I'd need to reacquaint myself with
the activity to do much more than what I did this morning.

Within a short distance from where I was, I know that White-crowned
Sparrows can be found, Rose-breasted Grosbeaks have been seen,
as well as Ash-throated Flycatchers, Lark and Grasshopper Sparrows, the
Lazuli Bunting, and many other birds.  More than once I've seen a Nuttall's
Woodpecker.

However, I just wanted to fool around with the local birds on my friend's
deck.  These birds fascinate me because they are quite used to people,
behave with such distinct personalities,  provide a simple and easy
opportunity to get to know them individually, and afford the opportunity to
get close and use the equipment I have.  There's no need to spend years,
like John Pezzenti did when photographing eagles, to get to know the
individual birds. It's great fun to try to capture something more than a
staid photo using old manual focus gear, thinking about different angles
and perspectives, working to avoid distracting backgrounds using DOF and
different shooting angles, and thinking about the best time of day to make
the photographs, when the light may be better.

If I'm going to photograph birds, I want to do something different than, as
Bob said, making "Bird on twig with catchlight" photos - something
Belinkoffian .  That means pushing the envelope of convention, which
in turn means a higher failure rate, especially while experimenting to see
what works, and producing work that will be looked upon by some, especially
by those who see things in a more conventional way, that is unacceptable or
poorly executed.

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: William Robb 

> I disagree in principal with your comment about not being able to do 
> "serious" bird photography in an urban environment.
> Birds are a part of city life, I see no reason not to photograph them in 
> their day to day street life, and in their occassional interactions with 
> people.



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Re: K10D Tidbits

2006-06-24 Thread John Francis
On Thu, Jun 22, 2006 at 12:54:18PM -0400, Aaron Reynolds wrote:
> 
> On Jun 22, 2006, at 5:18 AM, David Mann wrote:
> 
> > I could just imagine a little martini picture on the mode dial...
> 
> Someone must Photoshop this.
> 
> -Aaron

http://panix.com/~johnf/temp/pentax_K100D.jpg


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Re: K10D Tidbits

2006-06-24 Thread Paul Stenquist
Excellent.

On Jun 25, 2006, at 12:11 AM, John Francis wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 22, 2006 at 12:54:18PM -0400, Aaron Reynolds wrote:
>>
>> On Jun 22, 2006, at 5:18 AM, David Mann wrote:
>>
>>> I could just imagine a little martini picture on the mode dial...
>>
>> Someone must Photoshop this.
>>
>> -Aaron
>
> http://panix.com/~johnf/temp/pentax_K100D.jpg
>
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Re: Another Photo Contest

2006-06-24 Thread Kenneth Waller
>medals and ribbons are for egos. Give me merchandise and/or money - that 
>works for me.

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message - 
From: "Patrice LACOUTURE (GMail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Subject: Re: Another Photo Contest


[EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :
> In a message dated 6/24/2006 12:26:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> $10/entry!
>
> Kenneth Waller
> 
> I did wonder about that. I mean it seems like a very good contest -- much
> better prizes, frankly, than I usually see (like in magazines). But maybe 
> the
> entry fee is helping pay for part of them.
>
> But I don't think a contest should have an entry fee, really. I just 
> figured
> maybe I didn't know anything. That maybe most photo contests have entry 
> fees.
> That I am clueless. Never tried to entry a photo contest, so don't know.
>
> Oh, well. Okay, consider the link retracted. And me better educated.
>
> Marnie aka Doe ;-)
>
>
I've seen recently a contest with higher fees, and a few medals and
ribbons as prices! Anyone interested?

Patrice

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Looking for a Tokina 80-200mm f/2.8 AT-X PRO

2006-06-24 Thread Jose R. Rodriguez
Everyone,

I am looking to purchase a New or Like New Tokina 80-200mm f/2.8 AT-X PRO
lens.  It appears that B&H only carries this lens in Nikon Mount; the lens
was discontinued late last year.  Please let me know if you see this lens
available anywhere.

Thanks,

Jose R. Rodriguez



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Re: K100D SR

2006-06-24 Thread Paul Stenquist
Well said, Aaron.

On Jun 24, 2006, at 11:40 PM, Aaron Reynolds wrote:

> While you're within reason to expect a robocamera to work 
> robomiracles, it seems somewhat perverse to insist that it perform 
> these miracles while working with three-decade-old lenses.  No matter 
> what you believe, your MZ body is also crippled with these lenses, 
> just not as obviously.
>
> As to wee buttons and menus -- what are you talking about?  Oh, right, 
> more complaints about the significantly smarter and easier to use 
> implementation of common functions from someone who hasn't used the 
> camera.
>
> I realize that you feel no one else in the universe is qualified to 
> design a camera interface, but perhaps you should look at the camera 
> before declaring that it's no good?
>
> When I first used an ME Super, I thought its controls were a 
> disastrous miscalculation.  After two weeks, I couldn't to back to a 
> top-mounted dial for shutter speed.  Everyone did it forever, but you 
> know what?  The top-mounted dial is a terrible control mechanism for a 
> camera!
>
> The DS2 is remarkably well thought out for shooting.  I realized today 
> that I never need to look at the top of the camera for anything aside 
> from exposure mode.  If the top LCD was broken it would probablyvtake 
> me weeks to notice.  It's superfluous, but it's there to placate those 
> accustomed to looking at the top of their cameras.
>
> -Aaron
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From:  gfen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> I'm not sure why there's a chip on your shoulder because some people 
> have
> a preference for doing things they way they always have, and because 
> some
> people don't like to give up features and methods that have worked 
> across
> teh board so we can fidget with wee little buttons and menus.
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Re: A Week With the DA 16-45

2006-06-24 Thread Paul Stenquist
You're wrong. Handheld tests are meaningless no matter if they're "real 
life" or not. However, Shel pointed out that his blue jean shots were 
indeed done with a tripod. So his conclusions are much more valid than 
I first thought.
Paul
On Jun 25, 2006, at 12:41 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:

> Hi!
>
>> Any tests conducted without a sturdy tripod are meaningless.
>> Paul
>
> Paul, my I humbly point out that tests of a lens for test sake (taking
> measurements) indeed should be taken in controlled environment. Correct
> me, if I am wrong, but I think Shel was referring to test as in - 
> seeing
> how the lens performs in real life usage (as per Shel's own style as
> well) situations...
>
> Boris
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Re: A Week With the DA 16-45

2006-06-24 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi!

> Any tests conducted without a sturdy tripod are meaningless.
> Paul

Paul, my I humbly point out that tests of a lens for test sake (taking 
measurements) indeed should be taken in controlled environment. Correct 
me, if I am wrong, but I think Shel was referring to test as in - seeing 
how the lens performs in real life usage (as per Shel's own style as 
well) situations...

Boris

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Re: K100D SR

2006-06-24 Thread Aaron Reynolds
While you're within reason to expect a robocamera to work robomiracles, it 
seems somewhat perverse to insist that it perform these miracles while working 
with three-decade-old lenses.  No matter what you believe, your MZ body is also 
crippled with these lenses, just not as obviously.

As to wee buttons and menus -- what are you talking about?  Oh, right, more 
complaints about the significantly smarter and easier to use implementation of 
common functions from someone who hasn't used the camera.

I realize that you feel no one else in the universe is qualified to design a 
camera interface, but perhaps you should look at the camera before declaring 
that it's no good?

When I first used an ME Super, I thought its controls were a disastrous 
miscalculation.  After two weeks, I couldn't to back to a top-mounted dial for 
shutter speed.  Everyone did it forever, but you know what?  The top-mounted 
dial is a terrible control mechanism for a camera!

The DS2 is remarkably well thought out for shooting.  I realized today that I 
never need to look at the top of the camera for anything aside from exposure 
mode.  If the top LCD was broken it would probablyvtake me weeks to notice.  
It's superfluous, but it's there to placate those accustomed to looking at the 
top of their cameras.

-Aaron

-Original Message-

From:  gfen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I'm not sure why there's a chip on your shoulder because some people have 
a preference for doing things they way they always have, and because some 
people don't like to give up features and methods that have worked across 
teh board so we can fidget with wee little buttons and menus. 

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Re: PESO- a pair from this afternoon

2006-06-24 Thread Paul Stenquist
Thanks Bill. It's been in my garden for ten years or so, and I never 
knew what it was. I tossed some seed in there many years ago, and this 
was one of the plants that came up.
Paul
On Jun 24, 2006, at 11:19 PM, William Robb wrote:

>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Paul Stenquist"
> Subject: PESO- a pair from this afternoon
>
>
>
>> And an interesting little orange flower in my perennial garden, shot
>> with the A400/5.6, f5.6 @ 1/1000th, Sigma 500 Super with the Kirk 
>> flash
>> Xtender:
>> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4604198
>
> Charmi sez it's a Maltese Cross.
>
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Re: PESO- a pair from this afternoon

2006-06-24 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: "Paul Stenquist" 
Subject: PESO- a pair from this afternoon



> And an interesting little orange flower in my perennial garden, shot 
> with the A400/5.6, f5.6 @ 1/1000th, Sigma 500 Super with the Kirk flash 
> Xtender:
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4604198

Charmi sez it's a Maltese Cross.

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Re: PESO - MIssed Opportunity

2006-06-24 Thread Bruce Dayton
Hello Shel,

Interesting first attempt.  Quite a mix of sharpness and motion blur.
Certainly not a cliche shot, but not particularly appealing.  Kind of
like, viewing it once is interesting, but not something I would view
over and over.  I applaud your desire to do something beyond the
usual.

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Saturday, June 24, 2006, 3:16:57 PM, you wrote:

SB> Hi gang,

SB> This morning I decided to try my unsteady hand at bird photography.  One of
SB> the big objections I have with bird pics is that so many of them,
SB> regardless of how well executed they are, are rehashes of the same photo -
SB> a bird sitting on a branch with a blurred background.  They can be great,
SB> showing wonderful detail, and showing off the technical excellence of long
SB> glass, auto focus, and perhaps even fast frame rates. However, I wanted to
SB> try something different.

SB> Birds are often fast moving, creatures of action, but they can also be
SB> creatures of habit.  The various jays at my friend Zeo's house come by for
SB> peanuts, so this morning a few peanuts were laid out, and I got close with
SB> an old manual focus lens, slipped the DS into manual mode, and went at it
SB> hand held.  So, for better or for worse, here's my first bird picture.

SB> http://home.earthlink.net/~morepix/Birds/missed.html

SB> istDS, 1/250 sec, f/4.0, K135/2.5 hand held

SB> Comments, crits welcome ...


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Re: OT - Cut Out and Stick on Hair

2006-06-24 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
http://www.lifesizecustomcutouts.com/intro.shtml

On 6/24/06, Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> OK, this list has come up with odd things before, so here's another chance
> to outdo yourselves.
>
> I want to find a cutout of some "big hair" for a guy that can be attached
> to a mirror, so that someone can stand in front of the mirror and it would
> look like he had a full head of hair.
>
> Any suggestion, even on what to search for?
>
>
> Shel
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Re: K100D SR

2006-06-24 Thread Adam Maas
gfen wrote:

>On Sat, 24 Jun 2006, John Francis wrote:
>  
>
>>Get some "new" lenses (that's anything made in the last 25+ years)
>>
>>
>
>Sometimes they really don't make 'em like they used to, y'know...A moot 
>argument for me, but not for everyone here.
>
>  
>
>>Pentax.  Oh, wait - there aren't any.  Still, switch anyway - that
>>will show them!
>>
>>
>
>Or I can continue functioning along like I always have, but drop the broad 
>support I've always given Pentax in the past for producing excellent 
>optics and cameras and the right price.
>
>If there's no DSLR that provides me the proper usage of the aperature 
>ring, well then so be it. I didn't need a DSLR anyways. 
>  
>

There are a few, the upcoming Panasonic DMC-L1 will allow for aperture 
rings (But only on Panasonic/Leica lenses, the Oly and Sigma lenses in 
that mount all lack them) and even has a shutter speed dial. The higher 
end Nikons will allow for them only with Manual Focus lenses (AF lenses 
require setting aperture from the body, as do the rare AI-P MF lenses, 
Program and Shutter priority require AF/AI-P lenses). The Pentax units 
(Which are all currently descended from the *ist film SLR, which uses 
the PZ-style interface) will allow you to use the aperture ring, but 
only with stop-down metering.

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Re: OT - Cut Out and Stick on Hair

2006-06-24 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
http://www.hairstyleeditor.com/

On 6/24/06, Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> OK, this list has come up with odd things before, so here's another chance
> to outdo yourselves.
>
> I want to find a cutout of some "big hair" for a guy that can be attached
> to a mirror, so that someone can stand in front of the mirror and it would
> look like he had a full head of hair.
>
> Any suggestion, even on what to search for?
>
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Re: A Week With the DA 16-45

2006-06-24 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Subject: Re: A Week With the DA 16-45



> I find i need to sharpen my istD shots a LOT more than my Nikon shots, 
> especially with the
> 16-45. Possibly due to the
> difference in "basic" setups,?? as i have all my cameras set to.

I had a few out of camera jpegs processed by a studio in Lloydminster when a 
friend was looking at a digital printer.
This guy was a Nikon shooter, and tended to keep his camera on the high side 
of the in camera controls.
He took my jpegs and applied his standard printing to them..
They were REALLY soft.

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Re: OT - Cut Out and Stick on Hair

2006-06-24 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: "Shel Belinkoff"
Subject: OT - Cut Out and Stick on Hair


> OK, this list has come up with odd things before, so here's another chance
> to outdo yourselves.
>
> I want to find a cutout of some "big hair" for a guy that can be attached
> to a mirror, so that someone can stand in front of the mirror and it would
> look like he had a full head of hair.
>
> Any suggestion, even on what to search for?

Not a clue, but don't Bogart thet joint, my friend...
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Re: wanted to buy aka camera disaster

2006-06-24 Thread Adam Maas
Ann Sanfedele wrote:

>Shel Belinkoff wrote:
>  
>
>>Great!  The 18-55 is somewhat underrated based on the few pics I've made
>>with one, which was back when I got my first DS.  See my review of the DA
>>16-45.  The 18-55 would be just a little more of the same.  I do like it's
>>somewhat longer reach than the 16-45, makes the lens just a little more
>>useful for me, but I like the wider end on the 16-45, which, yesterday, I
>>discovered, while very handy, still isn't wide enough.
>>
>>IAC, congrats and good luck with Tri-State and the camera.
>>
>>Shel
>>
>>
>>
>
>I've never shot anything wider than 28mm with film - I'm
>more of a get in closer 
>kinda shooter - so the 18-55 for an fairly inexpesnsive
>starting auto lens should be fine.
>
>can't wait to get the beast now that I've taken the plunge
>
>thanks for the suggestions and "review"
>
>ann
>
>  
>
The 18-55 is actually pretty good. It's a 28-80 equivalent, and offers 
quite good manual focus feel (Especially compared to the competition's 
18-55's).

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Further research on NiMH batteries in the *ist-D

2006-06-24 Thread John Francis

A few weeks ago I encountered some of the odd *ist-D behaviour
others have reported -  batteries suddenly reporting 'no charge',
but working just fine after switching the camera off & back on.
Since then I've been doing a little more research, and this is
what I've found out to date.

First, as has been mentioned before, it pretty much only seems
to be a problem if you have batteries in both the camera and
the grip; removing either set of batteries seems to eliminate
the problem.

Secondly, it appears to depend very much on the variation in
state of charge of the batteries.  If, as is my usual custom,
I charge up all the batteries the night before I'm unlikely
to have problems.  Admittedly now I'm using 2500 mAh cells,
and have switched from microdrives to solid state CF cards,
it takes a lot of exposures before I put a noticeable drain
on a set of batteries, although auto-focus can take a toll.
But I do see the problem a lot more now than I used to; I'm
forced to the conclusion that the 2500 mAh Energizers that
I'm using now have a much faster internal discharge rate
than the 1600 or 1800 mAh RayOVacs I was using last year.
And that seems to be the big difference - with the RayOVacs
I could pick up the camera after not using it for a month
and expect there to be a usable amount of charge in the
batteries.  With the Energizers, though, going much beyond
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Re: PESO - MIssed Opportunity

2006-06-24 Thread gibikote
for the first one, this is very good!
there is the 'subcategory' of flight pics as well, and you have got a hybrid 
pic :-))
I have a feeling you will be taking many more bird pics.

regards
Sridhar

- Original Message - 
From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

  So, for better or for worse, here's my first bird picture.
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~morepix/Birds/missed.html
>
> istDS, 1/250 sec, f/4.0, K135/2.5 hand held
>
> Comments, crits welcome ...
>
>
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Re: PESO - MIssed Opportunity

2006-06-24 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: "Shel Belinkoff"
Subject: PESO - MIssed Opportunity


> Hi gang,
>
> This morning I decided to try my unsteady hand at bird photography.  One 
> of
> the big objections I have with bird pics is that so many of them,
> regardless of how well executed they are, are rehashes of the same photo -
> a bird sitting on a branch with a blurred background.  They can be great,
> showing wonderful detail, and showing off the technical excellence of long
> glass, auto focus, and perhaps even fast frame rates. However, I wanted to
> try something different.
>
> Birds are often fast moving, creatures of action, but they can also be
> creatures of habit.  The various jays at my friend Zeo's house come by for
> peanuts, so this morning a few peanuts were laid out, and I got close with
> an old manual focus lens, slipped the DS into manual mode, and went at it
> hand held.  So, for better or for worse, here's my first bird picture.
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~morepix/Birds/missed.html
>
> istDS, 1/250 sec, f/4.0, K135/2.5 hand held
>
> Comments, crits welcome ...

Street photogrpahy has gone to the birds, it seems.
The bird appears to have noticed you, and isn't happy with you being there, 
that's for sure.
The blurred wings are disturbing, both because they are unexpected in this 
genre, but also because they give the bird a rather deformed appearance.
You could have gotten a faster shutter speed.
I like the action, the nut is a bit low, but that's a quibble.

It's an appropriately Belinkoffian approach to bird photogrpahy.

I disagree in principal with your comment about not being able to do 
"serious" bird photography in an urban environment.
Birds are a part of city life, I see no reason not to photograph them in 
their day to day street life, and in their occassional interactions with 
people.

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Re: anyone have experience with the DA 50-200mm?

2006-06-24 Thread Amita Guha
On 6/24/06, Stan Halpin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I had a week-long trip to Bulgaria recently (got back last Sunday),
> knew I would have some photo opportunities, but mostly a work trip. So
> I traveled with a very minimal kit: ist-D, DA16-45mm, DA 50-200mm, and
> 43 Ltd. I never used the 43, did switch back and forth between the
> other two with equivalent results from both.

That's exactly why I want this lens - for my trip to Greece in the
fall with a small kit. I'm taking the Sigma 10-20mm, Sigma 18-125mm,
31 Ltd., and something to get me out to 200 or 300mm.

Amita

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PESO- a pair from this afternoon

2006-06-24 Thread Paul Stenquist
Grace playing frisbee, shot with the DA 50-200, f8, 1.180th, ISO 400:
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4604194

And an interesting little orange flower in my perennial garden, shot 
with the A400/5.6, f5.6 @ 1/1000th, Sigma 500 Super with the Kirk flash 
Xtender:
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4604198


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Re: anyone have experience with the DA 50-200mm?

2006-06-24 Thread Amita Guha
> I used my 70-210 lots but got so I couldn't hold it anymore
> without tripod.
> too  heavy.

Ann, my first words when I pulled it out of the box were (squealing)
"Ooh, it's adorable!" You'd love this lens - if you got a good copy.
The Sigma version is only a hair bigger, if that.

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Re: PESO - MIssed Opportunity

2006-06-24 Thread John Francis
On Sat, Jun 24, 2006 at 03:16:57PM -0700, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> 
> So, for better or for worse, here's my first bird picture.
> 
> http://home.earthlink.net/~morepix/Birds/missed.html

Well, the subject fills most of the frame quite well,
and the exposure seems reasonable.

Other than that, there's not a lot to recommend it.


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Re: test

2006-06-24 Thread David Savage
Don't test me Brooks!

Dave :-)

On 6/25/06, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Re: Pug challenge

2006-06-24 Thread John Francis
On Sat, Jun 24, 2006 at 03:16:16PM +0200, Jostein wrote:
> So far I've kept my head down in the PUG threads, but there's 
> something I'd like to say.
> 
> People like to get comments on their pictures.

Bingo!

Unfortunately, even in the days of 50 entries in the PUG, it
was rare for me to get a comment on any of my entries.  That
meant I was less motivated to submit a photograph (partially
because I always tried to go out and shoot something special,
rather than just rummaging through my collection of images)
and, perversely, less likely to comment on other entries.

Nowadays I get at least a few comments if I should post a
PESO.  Admittedly it's usually the same handful of people
who comment.  But that's what I'd expect - there are more
than a few photographers on the group who are unlikely to
ever receive a comment from me, mostly because their style
of photography is very different from mine.  And, I'm a
little ashamed to admit, even though this is a photography
group the demands of real life mean I don't have time to
look at every PESO, GESO, WINO or MOJO that gets posted.
I'm sure others are equally selective in their viewing.

Back when it was just the PUG, once a month, I always
used to find the time to take a look through the entries.
And not just the entries from the names I knew; it was a
good way to see what some of the other people were doing.

I'd welcome a return to those days, but you can't put the
genie back in the bottle.  If people prefer PESOs to PUGs
then I fear that is the way we will have to go.


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Re: A Week With the DA 16-45

2006-06-24 Thread Bruce Dayton
Yes, I would be very interested in your findings.  Thanks for
offering.

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Saturday, June 24, 2006, 2:59:14 PM, you wrote:

SB> Hi Bruce, I didn't, but for you, 'cause you asked so nice, I will.  Maybe
SB> later today, but certainly in the next day or so.  Actually, I've been
SB> meaning to give the K24/2.8 a good workout with the DS, and this is as good
SB> a time as any.

SB> Shel



>> [Original Message]
>> From: Bruce Dayton 

>> Since you had a chance to work with the lens, I'm wondering if you
>> were able to compare it to any other 24mm lens.  That is a focal
>> length that I wouldn't mind having a good prime.  As I said earlier,
>> for shooting family groups, I did not find the FA *24 to be any better
>> - for that type of thing you are always shooting well stopped down.
>> I'm curious if you were able to compare it to the K 24/2.8 or M or A
>> versions?






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Re: PESO - MIssed Opportunity

2006-06-24 Thread Ann Sanfedele
I love bluejays and like the motion in the bird - but I'd
clone out the
nuts as they add too much of a scatalogical tone to the shot
- as , um,
some wag pointed out in a more succinct way :)

Id like the jay moved left in the frame a bit... but I like
very much tne look of
him appearing to be dancing a jig.

ann


Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> 
> I'm not a wildlife photographer, didn't enter any competition, but the
> year's not over 
> 
> Shel
> 
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Bob W
> 
> > > So, for better or for worse, here's my first bird picture.
> > > http://home.earthlink.net/~morepix/Birds/missed.html
> 
> > Quite an interesting mixture of sharp and blur, but unlikely to win
> > the Wildlife Photographer of the Year competition! Very difficult to
> > photograph birds well - I have tremendous admiration for those who
> > can.
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Re: PESO - wood structures

2006-06-24 Thread David Savage
Wonderful.

The music works really well with the subject matter.

I like how some of the knots & the texture of the timber make it looks
as though you staring at a crocodile. :-)

Well worth the download.

Dave

P.S. It ran fine on my new machine.

On 6/24/06, Jostein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> I figured I won't be doing this very often, so I stuck with a familiar
> acronym.
>
> What I have committed is actually a 3.5 minutes slide show, over the
> theme of structures in old woodwork. It's my first attempt at
> assembling something like this, so if someone has the time to
> download, look and comment, I'd be most grateful.
>
> I've tried to maintain a reasonable trade-off between image/sound
> quality and file size, but it's still a huge file; 23 MB! So don't try
> it on a dial-up.
>
> URL: http://www.oksne.net/temp/Trestrukturer2-compressed.exe
>
> It will only run on Microsoft platforms, with DirectX v9.0 or newer,
> and requires a graphic card with 3D rendering functionality. EXE-files
> is the only output option I have from the slide show software, which
> is the freeware version of Wings Platinum 2 from www.avstumpfl.com.
>
> Hope this doesn't scare everyone away.
>
> I'm only going to leave this up until Monday night, because there are
> copyright issues with the music. If someone is interested in the
> details about the music, I'm happy to fill you in off-list. Just give
> me a hint.
>
> thanks,
> Jostein
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Re: anyone have experience with the DA 50-200mm?

2006-06-24 Thread Stan Halpin
I had a week-long trip to Bulgaria recently (got back last Sunday), 
knew I would have some photo opportunities, but mostly a work trip. So 
I traveled with a very minimal kit: ist-D, DA16-45mm, DA 50-200mm, and 
43 Ltd. I never used the 43, did switch back and forth between the 
other two with equivalent results from both.

Stan


On Jun 24, 2006, at 4:16 PM, Amita Guha wrote:

> I picked up this lens last week as a travel lens. It looked like the
> lens was focusing poorly or something, so I returned it for a new one,
> and I'm getting the same results - the images from it are very soft.
>
> Does anyone else have experience with this lens, and is this typical
> performance for it? At this point I'm thinking of picking up the Sigma
> 55-200 to see if it's any better. I realize the DA 50-200 is a cheap
> lens, but I can't tolerate that level of softness.
>
> Thanks,
> Amita
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Re: PESO - wood structures

2006-06-24 Thread Bob Sullivan
Jostein,

Thanks for the picture of the structures.  Are they some kind of
museum of old farm buildings?

On another note, the program worked fine for me on my new laptop.  It
played just fine and ended in good order with a black screen.  When I
pressed escape, I returned to the internet.

Regards,  Bob S.

On 6/24/06, Jostein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Bob Sullivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > It makes me want to see more of these structures in their context to
> > the landscape/environment.
> >
>
> Here you go:
> http://www.oksne.net/temp/liomseter.html
>
> All photos for the slide show were shot around the walls of two of the
> unpainted buildings in this shot.
>
> The site is guaranteed not to suck your computer into any vortex. :-)
>
> Jostein
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Re: PESO - MIssed Opportunity

2006-06-24 Thread Ann Sanfedele
David Savage wrote:
> 
> LOL.

Exactly - but you don't get it unless you look at the shot
:)
Cotty is such a wag

ann

> 
> On 6/25/06, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On 24/6/06, Shel Belinkoff, discombobulated, unleashed:
> >
> > >http://home.earthlink.net/~morepix/Birds/missed.html
> > >
> > >istDS, 1/250 sec, f/4.0, K135/2.5 hand held
> > >
> > >Comments, crits welcome ...
> >
> > Crap.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
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> >
> > Cheers,
> >   Cotty
> >
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Re: OT - Cut Out and Stick on Hair

2006-06-24 Thread Jack Davis
Shel, you may have finally and totally "wigged Out". ;-)

Jack

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> 
> I want to find a cutout of some "big hair" for a guy that can be
> attached
> to a mirror, so that someone can stand in front of the mirror and it
> would
> look like he had a full head of hair.  
> 
> Any suggestion, even on what to search for?
> 
> 
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Re: anyone have experience with the DA 50-200mm?

2006-06-24 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Joseph Tainter wrote:
> 
> Amita, you may have gotten two bad copies in a row. Either that or (a)
> you have problems with your camera's autofocus, or (b) you are having
> trouble holding a telephoto lens steady (as I do).
> 
> As I posted here a while back, I tested the DA 50-200 systematically
> against the old SMC F 70-210 (a lens regarded as perhaps Pentax's best
> variable aperture telezoom). It was a systematic test, on a tripod,
> mud-brick wall, etc. The two lenses were very close. At Actual Pixels,
> the old F70-210 had just a bit more peripheral sharpness, but you would
> never notice it in ordinary usage. The DA 50-200 is a fine lens.
> 
> Why not take the one you have and try it on a sturdy tripod.
> 
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Damn - now I want one... :)

I used my 70-210 lots but got so I couldn't hold it anymore
without tripod.
too  heavy.  

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Re: OT: Making Cards with Photos

2006-06-24 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
You might look at someone like www.vistaprint.com or www.psprint.com.  
They have a good range of card types that you can order printed in  
volume at a reasonable rate. I did postcards through them ... 1000  
large format postcards printed four color on one side and black only  
on the other for $166. Delivery took two days.

I think they do runs of as small as 100.

Godfrey

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> I am about ready to print up my Mom's memorial card. Going to put a  
> photo of
> her hands on the front, usual memorial stuff inside, with a  
> biography letter
> insert.
>
> I called up the only good local lab left around here -- they don't  
> do cards.
> They will do up prints from a jpg. Which I might let them do, not  
> sure I want
> to run off that many (50) prints on my Epson 925.
>
> So I've thought of going to Kinko's.
>
> Really, I haven't researched this yet. Being lazy and hoping  
> someone else can
> shortcut the process for me. :-)
>
> Where do I find cards that will fit a 4-6 or 5-7 photo? Blank inside.
>
> Is there some easier way to do this? If I use a place on the Net  
> won't I have
> to wait too long?
> Not sure I want to do that way, anyway -- want to have enough  
> control over
> the end product.
>
> So, sources of cards?
> Is a copy place the best bet?
> And a photo lab for the photo?
>
> Any suggestions welcome. Especially from those who have done cards.
>
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Re: anyone have experience with the DA 50-200mm?

2006-06-24 Thread Ann Sanfedele
hmmm those look pretty good to me... now i'm gong to start
coveting again.

ann


Paul Stenquist wrote:
> 
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4527737&size=lg
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4527667
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4505311
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3582841&size=lg
> On Jun 24, 2006, at 5:16 PM, Amita Guha wrote:
> 
> > I picked up this lens last week as a travel lens. It looked like the
> > lens was focusing poorly or something, so I returned it for a new one,
> > and I'm getting the same results - the images from it are very soft.
> >
> > Does anyone else have experience with this lens, and is this typical
> > performance for it? At this point I'm thinking of picking up the Sigma
> > 55-200 to see if it's any better. I realize the DA 50-200 is a cheap
> > lens, but I can't tolerate that level of softness.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Amita
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Re: anyone have experience with the DA 50-200mm?

2006-06-24 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Amita Guha wrote:
> 
> I picked up this lens last week as a travel lens. It looked like the
> lens was focusing poorly or something, so I returned it for a new one,
> and I'm getting the same results - the images from it are very soft.
> 
> Does anyone else have experience with this lens, and is this typical
> performance for it? At this point I'm thinking of picking up the Sigma
> 55-200 to see if it's any better. I realize the DA 50-200 is a cheap
> lens, but I can't tolerate that level of softness.
> 
> Thanks,
> Amita
> 

Hey - thanks for posting this query - as I was thinking that
range was something I might
like better than the 18-55 - doesn't sound like I should
bother...

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OT - Cut Out and Stick on Hair

2006-06-24 Thread Shel Belinkoff
OK, this list has come up with odd things before, so here's another chance
to outdo yourselves.

I want to find a cutout of some "big hair" for a guy that can be attached
to a mirror, so that someone can stand in front of the mirror and it would
look like he had a full head of hair.  

Any suggestion, even on what to search for?


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Re: World Cup

2006-06-24 Thread Paul Stenquist
Cool. I like the second one.
Paul
On Jun 24, 2006, at 7:00 PM, Bob W wrote:

> England play Ecuador tomorrow:
>
> http://www.web-options.com/p023.jpg
>
> Coincidentally, I took that photo on June 19th 2004, with the digital
> P&S I bought that day. The graffiti is by the well-known & popular
> artist Banksy. I didn't know that at the time, and I wasted the
> opportunity, taking only 2 other shots:
>
> http://www.web-options.com/p022.jpg
> http://www.web-options.com/p024.jpg
>
> About Banksy:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/arts/4748063.stm
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bristol/5103306.stm
> http://www.artnet.com/artist/424007326/-banksy.html
>
>
> Regards,
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Re: A Week With the DA 16-45

2006-06-24 Thread David Savage
On 6/25/06, Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The DA 16-45 has been on the camera and in almost constant use for a little
> more than week now.  Overall, it's a pretty decent lens, but, imo, not
> worthy of the praise it's received here.

It's not just me then.

I bought this lens based on the hype. For a zoom it's pretty good, &
the focal range is handy, but I've used better.

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Re: PESO - MIssed Opportunity

2006-06-24 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Hi, David, 

neither am I, but I'm in an urban environment, and didn't have the time or
the gear to head out into the park* and do anything more serious.  Anyway,
y'gotta start somewhere, and these birds can still have interesting antics
and poses, and are fun to watch.  It's a good place to practice a little
and to see if this is an area of photography that might be of interest.  I
was very pleased with the way the DS worked, being able to snap a number of
frames rather quickly.

* The "park" is about 100,000 acres of open space with a lot of different
types of wildlife: coyote, fox, bobcat, cougar, deer, all the little
critters, an amazing number of birds, etc.

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: David Savage 

> It's an alright picture. The mix of blur & sharpness is interesting.
>
> But I'm not a big fan of bird pictures taken at feeders, and IMHO this
> is just one step up from that.

> http://home.earthlink.net/~morepix/Birds/missed.html



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Re: Limited Thoughts

2006-06-24 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Jun 24, 2006, at 2:18 PM, Christian wrote:

> I used the 31mm once when I borrowed Cesar's for a few hours.  I  
> almost
> "forgot" to return it.  Honestly, (except the Canon 600/4 IS :-) ),  
> the
> 31 Limited was the best freakin' lens I ever touched.  It is a
> mechanical jewel with optical performance that blows me away. If I  
> still
> had a Pentax DSLR, I'd have this lens... in black.

Hmm. The best lens I ever touched was the Zeiss Biogon 38mm f/4.5  
lens on my Hasselblad 903SWC. Nothing else even comes close in my  
opinion. But it sure isn't useful on a Pentax DSLR... :-)

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Re: OT: Making Cards with Photos

2006-06-24 Thread Paul Sorenson
Marnie -

I've used these - not ever in any great quantity.  The price for 10 in 
the shops here (Milwaukee) is about double the Dick Blick price.

http://www.dickblick.com/zz119/15/

The cards are 5x7 and take a 4x6 print very nicely. I use double sided 
tape to hold the print to the card so the recipient can remove the print 
and keep it if they want.  Around here you can get a decent 4x6 machine 
print for about $.30 so the cards end up costing about a buck each - and 
the cards aren't odd sized so you need extra postage.

If you *do* want to take the time to print the photo as well as the 
inside memorial stuff, they are ink-jet photo printable but it's 
probably more cost effective to use a lab print and tape or glue it to 
the card.

-P

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> I am about ready to print up my Mom's memorial card. Going to put a photo of 
> her hands on the front, usual memorial stuff inside, with a biography letter 
> insert.
> 
> I called up the only good local lab left around here -- they don't do cards. 
> They will do up prints from a jpg. Which I might let them do, not sure I want 
> to run off that many (50) prints on my Epson 925.
> 
> So I've thought of going to Kinko's. 
> 
> Really, I haven't researched this yet. Being lazy and hoping someone else can 
> shortcut the process for me. :-)
> 
> Where do I find cards that will fit a 4-6 or 5-7 photo? Blank inside.
> 
> Is there some easier way to do this? If I use a place on the Net won't I have 
> to wait too long?
> Not sure I want to do that way, anyway -- want to have enough control over 
> the end product.
> 
> So, sources of cards?
> Is a copy place the best bet?
> And a photo lab for the photo?
> 
> Any suggestions welcome. Especially from those who have done cards.
> 
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Re: Pug

2006-06-24 Thread David Savage
On 6/25/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In a message dated 6/24/2006 11:43:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I have submitted 30 under various spellings of dave brooks.:-)
>
> Dave
> 
> You can't spell your name either???

Dave B. is not alone.

I was signing a letter earlier this week & I misspelled my own name
"DSavaagee" :-)

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Re: PESO - MIssed Opportunity

2006-06-24 Thread David Savage
LOL.

On 6/25/06, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 24/6/06, Shel Belinkoff, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
> >http://home.earthlink.net/~morepix/Birds/missed.html
> >
> >istDS, 1/250 sec, f/4.0, K135/2.5 hand held
> >
> >Comments, crits welcome ...
>
> Crap.
>
> Regards,
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Re: PESO - MIssed Opportunity

2006-06-24 Thread David Savage
It's an alright picture. The mix of blur & sharpness is interesting.

But I'm not a big fan of bird pictures taken at feeders, and IMHO this
is just one step up from that.

Cheers,

Dave

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> Hi gang,
>
> This morning I decided to try my unsteady hand at bird photography.  One of
> the big objections I have with bird pics is that so many of them,
> regardless of how well executed they are, are rehashes of the same photo -
> a bird sitting on a branch with a blurred background.  They can be great,
> showing wonderful detail, and showing off the technical excellence of long
> glass, auto focus, and perhaps even fast frame rates. However, I wanted to
> try something different.
>
> Birds are often fast moving, creatures of action, but they can also be
> creatures of habit.  The various jays at my friend Zeo's house come by for
> peanuts, so this morning a few peanuts were laid out, and I got close with
> an old manual focus lens, slipped the DS into manual mode, and went at it
> hand held.  So, for better or for worse, here's my first bird picture.
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~morepix/Birds/missed.html
>
> istDS, 1/250 sec, f/4.0, K135/2.5 hand held
>
> Comments, crits welcome ...
>
>
> Shel
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Pentax 1.7x AF converter

2006-06-24 Thread Brian Dipert
Anybody got one they want to sell? I'm not seeing any available either on
Ebay or at KEH's website

==
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Re: Pug

2006-06-24 Thread David J Brooks
Quoting mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

>
>>
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Date: 2006/06/24 Sat PM 06:45:15 GMT
>> To: pdml@pdml.net
>> Subject: Re: Pug
>>
>> In a message dated 6/24/2006 11:43:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>> I have submitted 30 under various spellings of dave brooks.:-)
>>
>> Dave
>> 
>> You can't spell your name either???
>>
>
> To elicit the correct response, you should have written "Surely you   
> can spell your own name?"

 From what i'v been told, no

Dave
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Re: Limited Thoughts

2006-06-24 Thread Christian
Bruce Dayton wrote:

> 
> So, my question is - are the limited lenses truly worth it?  Beyond
> the cachet of owning one - will there be a marked improvement in my
> images?

I used the 31mm once when I borrowed Cesar's for a few hours.  I almost 
"forgot" to return it.  Honestly, (except the Canon 600/4 IS :-) ), the 
31 Limited was the best freakin' lens I ever touched.  It is a 
mechanical jewel with optical performance that blows me away. If I still 
had a Pentax DSLR, I'd have this lens... in black.

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Re: Panorama: Midsummer i Denmark

2006-06-24 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Interesting shot, but it takes far too long to load.

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> Midsummer in Denmark is celebrated by building thousands of fires on the
> beach - we symbolically burn our witches!
>
> For those of you who don't mind modern technology and images made for the IT
> media - I have posted a panorama showing how we celebrate midsummer in
> Denmark:
> http://www.jensbladt.dk/pano/Sct-Hans-G.html
>
> Equipment: *istD, SMC-A 2.8/20mm. Manfrotto 190B w. leveling base and a
> Kaidan Kiwi-L panorama head.
> Images and panorama processed in Phase One LE, Photoshop CS, Neat Image and
> PhotoVista Panorama 3.5, Namo Web Editor.
>
> Godfrey may choose to use the stop button to stop the image from rotating
>
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Re: PESO -Taxi with a Checkered Past

2006-06-24 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Nice shot, very interesting subject.

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> http://home.earthlink.net/~morepix/taxi1.html
>
> Something a little more conventional 
>
> Leica M2, 35mm Summicron (4th Version), some kind of med speed Fuji film.
>
> Comments, crits welcome ...
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World Cup

2006-06-24 Thread Bob W
England play Ecuador tomorrow:

http://www.web-options.com/p023.jpg

Coincidentally, I took that photo on June 19th 2004, with the digital
P&S I bought that day. The graffiti is by the well-known & popular
artist Banksy. I didn't know that at the time, and I wasted the
opportunity, taking only 2 other shots:

http://www.web-options.com/p022.jpg
http://www.web-options.com/p024.jpg

About Banksy:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/arts/4748063.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bristol/5103306.stm
http://www.artnet.com/artist/424007326/-banksy.html


Regards,
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Re: A Week With the DA 16-45

2006-06-24 Thread brooksdj
> >>> SB> However, it doesn't do well 
when asked to render fine detail.
> >>> Compared to
> >>> SB> an A50/1.4 or a K35/2.0, the DA 16-50 does not fare well.  I was
> >>> SB> disappointed in the results it produced here
> >>>
> >>> SB> http://home.earthlink.net/~morepix/jeans/rumpledjeans_2.html
> >>>
> >>> SB> and here
> >>>
> >>> SB> http://home.earthlink.net/~ebay-pics/hood_3096.jpg
> >>>
> >>> SB> In order to generate acceptable sharpness and detail these pics
> >>> had to
> >>> SB> receive quite a bit more sharpening than similar pics made with
> >>> the prime
> >>> SB> lenses I mentioned.  > >>>


I find i need to sharpen my istD shots a LOT more than my Nikon shots, 
especially with the
16-45. Possibly due to the 
difference in "basic" setups,?? as i have all my cameras set to.

Go expodisk, Go.

Dave


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RE: PESO - MIssed Opportunity

2006-06-24 Thread Shel Belinkoff
I'm not a wildlife photographer, didn't enter any competition, but the
year's not over 

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Bob W 

> > So, for better or for worse, here's my first bird picture.
> > http://home.earthlink.net/~morepix/Birds/missed.html

> Quite an interesting mixture of sharp and blur, but unlikely to win
> the Wildlife Photographer of the Year competition! Very difficult to
> photograph birds well - I have tremendous admiration for those who
> can.



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Re: OT: Making Cards with Photos

2006-06-24 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 6/24/2006 3:40:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi Marnie, I make cards a lot.

2 methods I use -

1. Print  directly onto heavy card, fold and chop in the Rot-a-trim (a
Dhal actually)

2. print onto best quality photo paper, chop to size, paste onto card.

I only do one-offs this way, sometimes a few but not many.

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Re: Pug challenge (26 days to go!)

2006-06-24 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Great comments Jostein.

On 6/24/06, Jostein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Don Sanderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
> > Your words, "let it die peacefully" should be all the incentive
> > we need if we wish not to lose the PUG.
> > A bit of a reality check.
>
> Keeping the PUG warm as a topic of discussion, or preferrably, keeping
> the IMAGES in the PUG a topic of discussion, is the only way to keep
> it going. As long as there's a broad base of interest, it's good.
>
> No offence to you, Don, but there must be a lower threshold of
> interested people below which it is not worthwhile to do it for the
> community. In my honest opinion, the PUG should have a broad base of
> supporters on the PDML to be allowed to be "the gallery of the PDML".
>
> Now, before anyone gets the wrong idea, I think PUG is a nice concept.
> It has been one of the best things about PDML for many years.
>
> But to keep it alive, a lot of people have to take an interest in it.
> Not just a handful, as it is now.
>
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Re: Limited Thoughts

2006-06-24 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jun 24, 2006, at 2:56 PM, Joseph Tainter wrote:

>>> P.S. Complicating things, it is just possible that there is a DA 30
>>> F?? in the wings.
>>
>> Joe, you've mentioned this a couple of times. Where are you getting
>> this rumor, or are you starting it? There is no such lens on the
>> Pentax roadmap that they've published through 2006 and into 2007  
>> so far.
>
> Godfrey, you are the first to ask. You are right: I have mentioned it
> here and at dpreview several times. I have been surprised at the  
> lack of
> interest.
>
>  From Popular Photography's review of the DA 10-17:
>
> "Except for that front element, it resembles Pentax’s 30mm 'normal' DA
> lens."
>
> Say what? DA 30 normal lens? Anyone seen this?
> Perhaps the writer was confused about some other DA lens.

I'm sure he was. Pentax "normal DA" lens on a DS, DL, etc is the  
DA18-55 ... and it does look pretty similar to the DA10-17 other than  
for the front element :

   http://homepage.mac.com/godders/pentax-18_55vs10_17.jpg

Where the "30mm" came from is likely just a mistake. It is, after  
all, Popular Photography ... They're not exactly known for the  
accuracy of their technical data or proofreading. ;-)

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Re: anyone have experience with the DA 50-200mm?

2006-06-24 Thread Amita Guha
> Why not take the one you have and try it on a sturdy tripod.
>
> Joe

I did, and I got the same results. I think I got 2 bad copies in a row.

Thanks for the help, guys. Tomorrow I'm going back to B&H with my
laptop, and I'll compare a new Pentax lens to its Sigma counterpart in
the store.

Paul, I loved that car shot of yours!

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Re: anyone have experience with the DA 50-200mm?

2006-06-24 Thread Paul Stenquist
Thanks Keith. Yes, that's my granddaughter. A constant joy and a superb 
photographic subject. I shot some more of her today with this lens. I 
did some with the A400/5.6 as well. We were out in the yard trying for 
some bird pics, and I turned it on her. It will be interesting to see 
if I managed to get anything that's adequately sharp.
Paul
On Jun 24, 2006, at 6:04 PM, keith_w wrote:

> Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> Hi Amita,
>> Hit the send button too soon on that last one. My DA 50-200 seems 
>> quite
>> good. I even use it for some commercial work. The last shot here was
>> for a magazine article. The third from the top is wide open.
>> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4527737&size=lg
>> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4527667
>> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4505311
>> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3582841&size=lg
>>
>> Paul
>
>
> Very good stuff, Paul!
>
> What a delightful child!
>
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Re: PESO - MIssed Opportunity

2006-06-24 Thread Cotty
On 24/6/06, Shel Belinkoff, discombobulated, unleashed:

>http://home.earthlink.net/~morepix/Birds/missed.html
>
>istDS, 1/250 sec, f/4.0, K135/2.5 hand held
>
>Comments, crits welcome ...

Crap.

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Re: PESO - wood structures

2006-06-24 Thread Cotty
On 24/6/06, Jostein, discombobulated, unleashed:

>If your butt had been by the computer just a little while longer, you 
>would have seen my immediate reply

Mark!

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RE: PESO - MIssed Opportunity

2006-06-24 Thread Bob W
> One of
> the big objections I have with bird pics is that so many of them,
> regardless of how well executed they are, are rehashes of the 
> same photo -
> a bird sitting on a branch with a blurred background. 

"Bird on twig with catchlight" is the withering expression that was
used about such shots in a workshop I once attended.

> So, for better or for worse, here's my first bird picture.
> 
> http://home.earthlink.net/~morepix/Birds/missed.html
> 

Quite an interesting mixture of sharp and blur, but unlikely to win
the Wildlife Photographer of the Year competition! Very difficult to
photograph birds well - I have tremendous admiration for those who
can. 

I had one get away from me a couple of mornings ago. There must be a
nest nearby because a pair of blackbirds have been flying by for a
while with their beaks full of worms. They stop for a rest on the
fence outside my window before the final dash. One of the local cats
has cottoned on to this. At about 4.30am a couple of days ago I saw
the cat staring greedily at the fence. I wanted to see what my digicam
could do, so I opened the window, focussed on the catchlight (!) and
pressed the shutter. There was a squeal and a blurred flurry a moment
before the shutter fired, and the bird was gone. I had not anticipated
the cat's attack, and I missed it completely. It could have been a
winner, but I have nothing to show for it!

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Re: Pug

2006-06-24 Thread brooksdj
> In a message dated 6/24/2006 11:43:55 
AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I have submitted 30 under various spellings of dave brooks.:-)
> 
> Dave
> 
> You can't spell your name either???

So i'v been told.

Dave
> 
> 
> Marnie aka Doe   Sorry, couldn't resist.
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Re: New K bodies listed on B

2006-06-24 Thread Cotty
On 24/6/06, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:

>It's the site that dare not speak its name. Starts with e and ends
>with ay.

I thought John was referring to a UK retailer web site, I didn't realise
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Re: Another Photo Contest

2006-06-24 Thread keith_w
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In a message dated 6/24/2006 3:08:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I've seen recently a contest with higher fees, and a few medals and 
> ribbons as prices! Anyone interested?
> 
> Patrice
> =
> Hey, this one had trips (Tahiti, Vietnam -- bit weird that, I mean has 
> Vietnam became a tourist mecca?, and Maine) as prizes and a Bogen kit. And it 
> is 
> sponsored by Bogen, B&H, and Nikon among others. I am not a complete 
> ignoramus.
> 
> Only a partial one.

I guess it's better to be an "ignor-" than an "-amus." Wouldn't you say?

keith

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Re: OT: Making Cards with Photos

2006-06-24 Thread Cotty
On 24/6/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed:

>Any suggestions welcome. Especially from those who have done cards.

Hi Marnie, I make cards a lot.

2 methods I use -

1. Print  directly onto heavy card, fold and chop in the Rot-a-trim (a
Dhal actually)

2. print onto best quality photo paper, chop to size, paste onto card.

I only do one-offs this way, sometimes a few but not many.

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Re: anyone have experience with the DA 50-200mm?

2006-06-24 Thread brooksdj
> I picked up this lens last week as a 
travel lens. It looked like the
> lens was focusing poorly or something, so I returned it for a new one,
> and I'm getting the same results - the images from it are very soft.
> 
> Does anyone else have experience with this lens, and is this typical
> performance for it? At this point I'm thinking of picking up the Sigma
> 55-200 to see if it's any better. I realize the DA 50-200 is a cheap
> lens, but I can't tolerate that level of softness.
> 
> Thanks,
> Amita
I picked mine up in the early spring. Not much use from it, but what i have 
shot sofar
seems ok.

Dave

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Re: PESO - wood structures

2006-06-24 Thread keith_w
Jostein wrote:
> - Original Message - 
> From: "keith_w" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> By the way, I DID read your reply before I sent this message, and 
>> don't agree
>> that it's okay for any program to take over someone else's computer, 
>> for
>> minutes at a time, under ANY circumstances. None whatsoever!


> Then read it again. I didn't say it was okay. Who are you trying to 
> disagree with?

I'm not TRYING to be disagreeable, it's just working out that way!  

If I can find the message, I will.

keith

> Greetings from the Frogstar :-)
> 
> Jostein 

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Re: anyone have experience with the DA 50-200mm?

2006-06-24 Thread Paul Stenquist
Yes, it's important to remember that at 200mm, this lens has the FOV of 
a 300 in 35 mm. Not easy to handhold.
Paul
On Jun 24, 2006, at 6:03 PM, Joseph Tainter wrote:

> Amita, you may have gotten two bad copies in a row. Either that or (a)
> you have problems with your camera's autofocus, or (b) you are having
> trouble holding a telephoto lens steady (as I do).
>
> As I posted here a while back, I tested the DA 50-200 systematically
> against the old SMC F 70-210 (a lens regarded as perhaps Pentax's best
> variable aperture telezoom). It was a systematic test, on a tripod,
> mud-brick wall, etc. The two lenses were very close. At Actual Pixels,
> the old F70-210 had just a bit more peripheral sharpness, but you would
> never notice it in ordinary usage. The DA 50-200 is a fine lens.
>
> Why not take the one you have and try it on a sturdy tripod.
>
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Re: A Week With the DA 16-45

2006-06-24 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
When I had the DA16-45, A24/2.8 and FA20-35 all at the same time, I  
did a test at the 24mm focal length. The best of the lot was the  
A24/2.8, the FA20-35 came in second and the DA16-45 third.

That said, the differences between all three lenses was quite small,  
in practical terms. I preferred the A24 and FA20-35 rendering at  
corners/edges, particularly wide open, and the A24 - FA20-35 were  
very much alike in this respect.

This was the test that convinced me I only needed the FA20-35, other  
than for the additional speed of a prime. I still pine for a fast 28  
prime ... ;-)

Godfrey


On Jun 24, 2006, at 2:18 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote:

> Since you had a chance to work with the lens, I'm wondering if you
> were able to compare it to any other 24mm lens.  That is a focal
> length that I wouldn't mind having a good prime.  As I said earlier,
> for shooting family groups, I did not find the FA *24 to be any better
> - for that type of thing you are always shooting well stopped down.
> I'm curious if you were able to compare it to the K 24/2.8 or M or A
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PESO - MIssed Opportunity

2006-06-24 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Hi gang,

This morning I decided to try my unsteady hand at bird photography.  One of
the big objections I have with bird pics is that so many of them,
regardless of how well executed they are, are rehashes of the same photo -
a bird sitting on a branch with a blurred background.  They can be great,
showing wonderful detail, and showing off the technical excellence of long
glass, auto focus, and perhaps even fast frame rates. However, I wanted to
try something different.

Birds are often fast moving, creatures of action, but they can also be
creatures of habit.  The various jays at my friend Zeo's house come by for
peanuts, so this morning a few peanuts were laid out, and I got close with
an old manual focus lens, slipped the DS into manual mode, and went at it
hand held.  So, for better or for worse, here's my first bird picture.

http://home.earthlink.net/~morepix/Birds/missed.html

istDS, 1/250 sec, f/4.0, K135/2.5 hand held

Comments, crits welcome ...


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Re: Another Photo Contest

2006-06-24 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 6/24/2006 3:08:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I've seen recently a contest with higher fees, and a few medals and 
ribbons as prices! Anyone interested?

Patrice
=
Hey, this one had trips (Tahiti, Vietnam -- bit weird that, I mean has 
Vietnam became a tourist mecca?, and Maine) as prizes and a Bogen kit. And it 
is 
sponsored by Bogen, B&H, and Nikon among others. I am not a complete ignoramus.

Only a partial one.

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Re: A Week With the DA 16-45

2006-06-24 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Hi Bruce, I didn't, but for you, 'cause you asked so nice, I will.  Maybe
later today, but certainly in the next day or so.  Actually, I've been
meaning to give the K24/2.8 a good workout with the DS, and this is as good
a time as any.

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Bruce Dayton 

> Since you had a chance to work with the lens, I'm wondering if you
> were able to compare it to any other 24mm lens.  That is a focal
> length that I wouldn't mind having a good prime.  As I said earlier,
> for shooting family groups, I did not find the FA *24 to be any better
> - for that type of thing you are always shooting well stopped down.
> I'm curious if you were able to compare it to the K 24/2.8 or M or A
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Re: anyone have experience with the DA 50-200mm?

2006-06-24 Thread Joseph Tainter
Amita, you may have gotten two bad copies in a row. Either that or (a) 
you have problems with your camera's autofocus, or (b) you are having 
trouble holding a telephoto lens steady (as I do).

As I posted here a while back, I tested the DA 50-200 systematically 
against the old SMC F 70-210 (a lens regarded as perhaps Pentax's best 
variable aperture telezoom). It was a systematic test, on a tripod, 
mud-brick wall, etc. The two lenses were very close. At Actual Pixels, 
the old F70-210 had just a bit more peripheral sharpness, but you would 
never notice it in ordinary usage. The DA 50-200 is a fine lens.

Why not take the one you have and try it on a sturdy tripod.

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Re: anyone have experience with the DA 50-200mm?

2006-06-24 Thread keith_w
Paul Stenquist wrote:
> Hi Amita,
> Hit the send button too soon on that last one. My DA 50-200 seems quite 
> good. I even use it for some commercial work. The last shot here was 
> for a magazine article. The third from the top is wide open.
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4527737&size=lg
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4527667
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4505311
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3582841&size=lg
> 
> Paul


Very good stuff, Paul!

What a delightful child!

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Re: Another Photo Contest

2006-06-24 Thread Patrice LACOUTURE (GMail)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :
> In a message dated 6/24/2006 12:26:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> $10/entry!
>
> Kenneth Waller
> 
> I did wonder about that. I mean it seems like a very good contest -- much 
> better prizes, frankly, than I usually see (like in magazines). But maybe the 
> entry fee is helping pay for part of them.
>
> But I don't think a contest should have an entry fee, really. I just figured 
> maybe I didn't know anything. That maybe most photo contests have entry fees. 
> That I am clueless. Never tried to entry a photo contest, so don't know.
>
> Oh, well. Okay, consider the link retracted. And me better educated.
>
> Marnie aka Doe ;-)
>
>   
I've seen recently a contest with higher fees, and a few medals and 
ribbons as prices! Anyone interested?

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Re: Limited Thoughts

2006-06-24 Thread Joseph Tainter
 > P.S. Complicating things, it is just possible that there is a DA 30
 > F?? in the wings.

Joe, you've mentioned this a couple of times. Where are you getting
this rumor, or are you starting it? There is no such lens on the
Pentax roadmap that they've published through 2006 and into 2007 so far.

Godfrey
-
Godfrey, you are the first to ask. You are right: I have mentioned it 
here and at dpreview several times. I have been surprised at the lack of 
interest.

 From Popular Photography's review of the DA 10-17:

"Except for that front element, it resembles Pentax’s 30mm 'normal' DA 
lens."

Say what? DA 30 normal lens? Anyone seen this?

Perhaps the writer was confused about some other DA lens. But I can't 
think of one that looks like the DA 10-17. The writer even calls it a 
"normal" lens. In photo gear, as we know, this has a specific meaning. I 
believe the statement is not an error (although it may be that the 
writer wasn't supposed to divulge it.) This statement has made me 
suspect that the people at Popular Photography have actually seen a 
prototype of a DA 30 lens.

Add to that the fact that such a lens would make a lot of sense. It 
would be the new "normal" prime for the APS-C sensor. Hopefully it will 
be fast (although, since I have the FA 31, I'm probably not interested.)

I'll bet a prototype exists, and the lens may be produced.

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Re: anyone have experience with the DA 50-200mm?

2006-06-24 Thread Paul Stenquist
Hi Amita,
Hit the send button too soon on that last one. My DA 50-200 seems quite 
good. I even use it for some commercial work. The last shot here was 
for a magazine article. The third from the top is wide open.
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4527737&size=lg
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4527667
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4505311
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3582841&size=lg

Paul

On Jun 24, 2006, at 5:16 PM, Amita Guha wrote:

> I picked up this lens last week as a travel lens. It looked like the
> lens was focusing poorly or something, so I returned it for a new one,
> and I'm getting the same results - the images from it are very soft.
>
> Does anyone else have experience with this lens, and is this typical
> performance for it? At this point I'm thinking of picking up the Sigma
> 55-200 to see if it's any better. I realize the DA 50-200 is a cheap
> lens, but I can't tolerate that level of softness.
>
> Thanks,
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Re: anyone have experience with the DA 50-200mm?

2006-06-24 Thread Paul Stenquist
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4527737&size=lg
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4527667
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4505311
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3582841&size=lg
On Jun 24, 2006, at 5:16 PM, Amita Guha wrote:

> I picked up this lens last week as a travel lens. It looked like the
> lens was focusing poorly or something, so I returned it for a new one,
> and I'm getting the same results - the images from it are very soft.
>
> Does anyone else have experience with this lens, and is this typical
> performance for it? At this point I'm thinking of picking up the Sigma
> 55-200 to see if it's any better. I realize the DA 50-200 is a cheap
> lens, but I can't tolerate that level of softness.
>
> Thanks,
> Amita
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Re: PESO - wood structures

2006-06-24 Thread Jostein

- Original Message - 
From: "keith_w" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> By the way, I DID read your reply before I sent this message, and 
> don't agree
> that it's okay for any program to take over someone else's computer, 
> for
> minutes at a time, under ANY circumstances. None whatsoever!

Then read it again. I didn't say it was okay. Who are you trying to 
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Re: anyone have experience with the DA 50-200mm?

2006-06-24 Thread Doug Franklin
Amita Guha wrote:
> I picked up this lens last week as a travel lens. It looked like the
> lens was focusing poorly or something, so I returned it for a new one,
> and I'm getting the same results - the images from it are very soft.

That's not typical compared to my copy of the lens.  It's not as sharp 
as my FA* 200/2.8, but it's nothing like an 85 soft, either.

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Re: Another Photo Contest

2006-06-24 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 6/24/2006 12:26:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
$10/entry!

Kenneth Waller

I did wonder about that. I mean it seems like a very good contest -- much 
better prizes, frankly, than I usually see (like in magazines). But maybe the 
entry fee is helping pay for part of them.

But I don't think a contest should have an entry fee, really. I just figured 
maybe I didn't know anything. That maybe most photo contests have entry fees. 
That I am clueless. Never tried to entry a photo contest, so don't know.

Oh, well. Okay, consider the link retracted. And me better educated.

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