Lens for Spotmatic - SMC TAKUMAR1:4 / 150MM

2006-08-19 Thread Jens Bladt
A local auction show a Pentax SMC TAKUMAR 1:4 150mm. Currently 15 USD - 14
hours left!
Anyone interested - send me an e-mail?
Regards
Jens Bladt
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 When is the damned embargo due to end, I'm really sick of Aaron's sadistic
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Some says 12. september, others say 13. September or 14 September or even
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Re: DA 100mm f2.8 Macro

2006-08-19 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Aug 18, 2006, at 10:28 PM, Brendan MacRae wrote:

 Nearly all modern SLRs set the aperture manually via
 a control on the
 body. Nikon, Canon, Minolta aka Sony, Pentax. In not
 so much time,
 you might not have any option to buy anything else
 other than as used
 gear.

 Ok, but really modern DSLR's, correct?

Practically every SLR, film or digital, made since the middle 1990s,  
other than the MZ-S and a couple others. Canon actually started doing  
things this way with the A1 back in, what, 1974 or so?

 I don't  play the guitar.
 Pitty, you're never too old to learn!

LOL .. My fingers never worked that way. I can play the piano. Or the  
radio...

 Well, like I've said, it's not irrelevent to me if
 it's controlled on the body (but then, you must be
 used to it by now) but I agree. It's an absulote must
 to have said control...somewhere.

It took me a little while to come around to the idea of controls on  
the body, but now it seems much more natural and ergonomic than the  
old way with exposure controls spread out between body and lens. One  
hand operates the exposure controls, one hand stabilizes the camera  
and, optionally, operates the focusing.

 ... Do the *ist series film cameras operate
 that way as well?

Yes, as far as I know. As do the PZ series and possibly others. I'm  
not familiar enough with Pentax cameras pre-DSLR to know all the  
details.

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Re: DA 100mm f2.8 Macro

2006-08-19 Thread Brendan MacRae


--- Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Practically every SLR, film or digital, made since
 the middle 1990s,  
 other than the MZ-S and a couple others. Canon
 actually started doing  
 things this way with the A1 back in, what, 1974 or
 so?


Seems strange, however, that Pentax moved from the
big, plastic blobs of the PZ series to the retro Zx-5n
(a fav of mine) which operates the same as the MZ-S
only to return to this notion that lenses should be
controled through the body for the digitals.

 
  ... Do the *ist series film cameras operate
  that way as well?
 
 Yes, as far as I know. As do the PZ series and
 possibly others. I'm  
 not familiar enough with Pentax cameras pre-DSLR to
 know all the  
 details.

Yeah, I figured they did since the first j-series
lenses without aperture rings came out with the *ist
film cameras, correct?

Anyway, what I'm most sorry to learn is that even the
FA's need to be controlled this way on the DSLR's. Oh
well. I plan on shooting film for along time yet so
how much of an impact on me it will have remains to be
seen.

-Brendan

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Re: PESO - THE Bridge

2006-08-19 Thread John Forbes
On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 04:48:22 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 In a message dated 8/18/2006 10:08:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Excellent. I like this. The color is subtle yet rich. But I would rotate  
 it
 about one degree counterclockwise or until both cable supports are  
 leaning
 toward the center at approximately the same angle.
 Paul
 ==
 Good idea. But already rotated a bit, so may try Mark's idea of  
 perspective
 tweaking.

 Either some distortion is due to my wide angle or the bridge is crooked.

Pentax lens?  The bridge must be crooked.  If it was Canon, the bridge is  
straight as a die.

John


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Re: DA 100mm f2.8 Macro

2006-08-19 Thread John Forbes
All Pentaxes (I think) allow direct aperture setting, but some (A3, ME and  
variants) do not allow manual setting of the shutter speed.

John

On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 06:20:37 +0100, Don Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:

 Is there an SLR that does not allow direct setting of the aperture?

 Don W

 Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
 On Aug 18, 2006, at 9:23 PM, Brendan MacRae wrote:

 Most of my A, F and FA series lenses have never been
 taken off the A
 setting since I bought them, and I shoot almost 95%
 of the time with
 the camera in Aperture Priority exposure mode.
 With the lens on A you're actually shooting in
 Shutter Priority AE mode.

 Not true. The aperture of any A/F/FA/DA lens is set by the body in
 all modes with any of the Pentax DSLRs, presuming the aperture ring
 (if the lens has one) is set to the A position. In Av and Manual
 mode, you set the aperture with a control on the body, the body sets
 aperture per your setting.

 I understand you are working with an MZ-S, which does not have body-
 controlled manual aperture settings. So a lens without an aperture
 ring can only be set to other than minimum aperture in Program and
 Shutter priority modes. This is different on the DSLR models, which
 operate more in line with the PZ-1p model (at least that's my
 understanding ... I never owned a PZ-1p).

 In any event...

 While all of what you say is true I will never buy a
 lens without an aperture ring. It just doesn't feel
 like photography to me at that point. There are
 certain things, no matter how advanced or tweaked the
 technology gets, that I just can't do without. The
 feel of an SLR in my hands without a way to manually
 set the f-stop on the lens is just icky to me.

 Nearly all modern SLRs set the aperture manually via a control on the
 body. Nikon, Canon, Minolta aka Sony, Pentax. In not so much time,
 you might not have any option to buy anything else other than as used
 gear.

 But then I drink all of my scotch neat and my guitar
 amp is all tube so I just like things a certain way.

 I don't know what 'drink all of my scotch neat' means, and I don't
 play the guitar. But I do know how to operate my cameras ... I do
 drink my single malt without adulteration (water, ice, etc), if
 that's what you mean! :-)

 Plus, I almost never shoot in Shutter Priority.

 Same here. The DS is almost permanently in Av mode, and occasionally
 in Manual mode.

 Usually, when I want a particular shutter speed, I
 either adjust the lens (keeping DOF in mind) until I
 find it or go to manual exposure.

 Same here. On the *ist DS, setting the exposure mode to Av (and
 presuming the aperture ring is set to A or there is none) the thumb
 wheel controls the aperture. Just flick it back and forth to adjust
 your lens opening.

 I would never buy an SLR that did not give me the option of direct
 control over the lens opening. Whether the control is on the body or
 the lens is irrelevant to me.

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Re: DA 100mm f2.8 Macro

2006-08-19 Thread John Forbes
Precisely.  I had to write off an A 1:1.7 50mm because of a problem with  
the little springs that control the A setting button.  These parts don't  
exist on the ringless lenses.

Fortunately a nice man from Newcastle took it off my hands.

John

On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 04:45:42 +0100, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:


 On Aug 18, 2006, at 6:39 PM, Digital Image Studio wrote:

 On 19/08/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 A lens without an aperture ring is less likely to break no matter
 what you choose to do with it: it has fewer parts to break.

 Huh? It just doesn't have an aperture ring, the aperture isn't set by
 magic otherwise.

 In a lens without an aperture ring, or in a lens with the aperture
 ring set to A, the lens opening is set by metered action of the
 camera's actuation lever on the lens' iris regulator lever.

 Using a lens with an aperture ring set to anything other than A means
 a) the communication contacts to the body are open circuit so there
 are commutators involved, b) the ring controls a limit stop for the
 mechanism internally, the camera actuator simply drops through to its
 minimum aperture setting and the iris regulator comes up against the
 limit stop set by the ring. There are detent fingers, little springs
 operating on notches in the mechanism, the A button and spring for
 it, the connection between the ring and the limit stop, etc.

 Yes, a lens without an aperture ring doesn't have an aperture
 ring ... and it doesn't have all the parts associated with the
 aperture ring either. It just has the iris regulator mechanism to
 interact with the camera actuator and a permanently connected set of
 contacts to communicate with the body.

 Thus the lens lacking an aperture ring is simpler and likely more
 robust on that basis.

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Re: PESO Dawn Jewlery

2006-08-19 Thread John Forbes
It's a lovely picture, Jack.  I agree with the various criticisms, which  
are technical in nature, but the concept and composition and deep colours  
work well - for me, anyway - and transcend the slight technical  
imperfections.

Sounds obvious, but have you had your eyes tested recently?  A tendency to  
over-sharpening could possibly be a response to your seeing blurrily.   
This might also explain why you don't see the over-sharpening yourself.

John

On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 05:45:20 +0100, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 William,
 No flash. White reflector.
 So, we now have sucking over sharpening?
 Otherwise, how do you like it? :-]]
 Thanks for thoughts.

 Jack



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 - Original Message -
 From: Jack Davis
 Subject: Re: PESO Dawn Jewlery


  Paul,
  Are you really serious about it's possibly being over sharpened
 or
  is
  this a spin off play on the recent Columbine exchanges?
  You say perhaps, does that mean you feel it is or you haven't
  decided?
  If you feel it is over sharpened, PLEASE clue me as to what it is
 you
  see that causes you to reach that conclusion. Could you be
 confusing
  contrast with something else?
  Do I have a unique monitor?


 My initial reaction was that it is oversharpened and too contrasty as

 well.
 If you used flash, you used too much of it.
 Also the background sucks, and appears to be suffering from
 oversharpening.

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RE: PESO - THE Bridge

2006-08-19 Thread Jens Bladt
There is something wrong, isn't there? It seems to me that the front pylon
does not have any ground support! Is it hanging in the air?
Well, its seems the pylon is hidden behind a rock:
http://www.eviaggiatori.it/sfondi/800x600%20golden%20gate.jpg
Regards
Jens

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Emne: Re: PESO - THE Bridge


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 That's right, not a faux bridge, or a substitute bridge... THE Bridge. :-)

 This is about as close as I could get from this vantage point and I was
also
 testing out a new wide angle zoom. I suppose I could have walked to the
end,
 it was barricaded to cars but did not appear to be barricaded to foot
traffic.
 However, it was very windy and I wasn't that motivated.

 This is the second in a series of tourist stops/visits/day trips/trips
that I
 plan to make before moving out of California next spring. 50 Things to See
in
 California Before Leaving (see or resee --- and maybe closer to 75 or
100).
 So although I wish I was later in the day and had caught some later or
sunset
 light, this was probably my one shot at the bridge. May show some other
photos
 from other vantage points later.

 Nothing special, really. Typical tourist shot.

 I've tweaked the color once already, could tweak again.

 http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/thebridge.htm

 Comments welcome.

 Marnie aka Doe



I rather like this one, it's an unusual angle which really shows the
Golden Gate off well.

Well Done!

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RE: PESO - THE Bridge

2006-08-19 Thread Jens Bladt
The worlds longest bridge (free suspension span) is Japaneese Akashi Kaikyo
(1991 m): http://en.structurae.de/structures/data/index.cfm?ID=s001
Second place is Sorebalt (1998) in Denmark: f1624m:
http://www.storebaelt.dk/kollage/broen.
Golden Gate held the world record for 27 years with its 1280 m free span:
http://www.inetours.com/Pages/SFNbrhds/Golden_Gate_Bridge.html
It's a beautiful bridge!
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There is something wrong, isn't there? It seems to me that the front pylon
does not have any ground support! Is it hanging in the air?
Well, its seems the pylon is hidden behind a rock:
http://www.eviaggiatori.it/sfondi/800x600%20golden%20gate.jpg
Regards
Jens

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 That's right, not a faux bridge, or a substitute bridge... THE Bridge. :-)

 This is about as close as I could get from this vantage point and I was
also
 testing out a new wide angle zoom. I suppose I could have walked to the
end,
 it was barricaded to cars but did not appear to be barricaded to foot
traffic.
 However, it was very windy and I wasn't that motivated.

 This is the second in a series of tourist stops/visits/day trips/trips
that I
 plan to make before moving out of California next spring. 50 Things to See
in
 California Before Leaving (see or resee --- and maybe closer to 75 or
100).
 So although I wish I was later in the day and had caught some later or
sunset
 light, this was probably my one shot at the bridge. May show some other
photos
 from other vantage points later.

 Nothing special, really. Typical tourist shot.

 I've tweaked the color once already, could tweak again.

 http://members.aol.com/eactivist/PAWS/pages/thebridge.htm

 Comments welcome.

 Marnie aka Doe



I rather like this one, it's an unusual angle which really shows the
Golden Gate off well.

Well Done!

-Adam


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Re: PESO - Nature's Sculpture

2006-08-19 Thread Ann Sanfedele
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 I haven't commented on others' PESOs for about a week, but I will soon and
 try to catch up. With that in mind...
 
 I went out yesterday to photograph a famous landmark, which I will show
 later, and also ended up photographing this. I am probably the only one that 
 will
 like it. :-)
 

Marnie -
tell me, as close as you can, exactly where you were when
you took it 
(the highway number, etc...)

I'll look up the formation in Roadside Geo for you :)

The lack of scale makes it hard to pin it down...

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Re: PESO Dawn Jewlery

2006-08-19 Thread Bob Sullivan
Jack,
I had the same feeling about oversharpening as Paul.
The hairs on the leaf just don't look natural to me.
They look to be brought out with sharpening.
Just my first impression,  Bob S.

On 8/18/06, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Nice shot. Perhaps a bit oversharpened.
 Paul
 On Aug 18, 2006, at 9:49 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

  Along the same theme as the recent dew covered blossom, this very
  small
  blossom is covered by actual morning dew. Note the droplet size
  compared to the blossom..whatever it is.
 
  Comments welcome.
 
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Re: PESO: Yellow Lily

2006-08-19 Thread Jack Davis
The nursery person said it was a water lily and I had permission to do
all the picture taking I wanted.
I asked nothing further.
Thanks, Don.

Jack

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 Good picture but what is the flower?
 
 Don W
 
 Jack Davis wrote:
  This shot with A70~210 f/4 with extension ring (forget which one)
 and
  on macro setting. Been a favorite lens!
  Last offering for tonight and last flower for..(?)
  
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Re: PESO Dawn Jewlery

2006-08-19 Thread Jack Davis
Those hairs are a feature I especially like and their resolution
pleases me. They are too obvious?
I can kinda see myself and the reflector in the droplets, although much
less obvious. Such detail fascinates me.
Thanks, Bob.

Jack

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 Jack,
 I had the same feeling about oversharpening as Paul.
 The hairs on the leaf just don't look natural to me.
 They look to be brought out with sharpening.
 Just my first impression,  Bob S.
 
 On 8/18/06, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Nice shot. Perhaps a bit oversharpened.
  Paul
  On Aug 18, 2006, at 9:49 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
 
   Along the same theme as the recent dew covered blossom, this very
   small
   blossom is covered by actual morning dew. Note the droplet size
   compared to the blossom..whatever it is.
  
   Comments welcome.
  
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Re: PESO Dawn Jewlery

2006-08-19 Thread Jack Davis
John, 
Certainly a thought. I am due for a new eye glass prescription.
My feeling in this case is that reflections of the 36 dia. white
reflector, along my tendency to nudge contrast to lend depth to images,
has been a distraction.
Early a.m. sun was coming from behind and to the right. Reflector
certainly removed shadows.
All this critiquing is having its effect in my stepping back from my
past uploading habits.
Thanks for thoughts.

Jack

--- John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It's a lovely picture, Jack.  I agree with the various criticisms,
 which  
 are technical in nature, but the concept and composition and deep
 colours  
 work well - for me, anyway - and transcend the slight technical  
 imperfections.
 
 Sounds obvious, but have you had your eyes tested recently?  A
 tendency to  
 over-sharpening could possibly be a response to your seeing blurrily.
   
 This might also explain why you don't see the over-sharpening
 yourself.
 
 John
 
 On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 05:45:20 +0100, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  William,
  No flash. White reflector.
  So, we now have sucking over sharpening?
  Otherwise, how do you like it? :-]]
  Thanks for thoughts.
 
  Jack
 
 
 
  --- William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Jack Davis
  Subject: Re: PESO Dawn Jewlery
 
 
   Paul,
   Are you really serious about it's possibly being over
 sharpened
  or
   is
   this a spin off play on the recent Columbine exchanges?
   You say perhaps, does that mean you feel it is or you haven't
   decided?
   If you feel it is over sharpened, PLEASE clue me as to what it
 is
  you
   see that causes you to reach that conclusion. Could you be
  confusing
   contrast with something else?
   Do I have a unique monitor?
 
 
  My initial reaction was that it is oversharpened and too contrasty
 as
 
  well.
  If you used flash, you used too much of it.
  Also the background sucks, and appears to be suffering from
  oversharpening.
 
  William Robb
 
 
 
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Re: PESO: Yellow Lily

2006-08-19 Thread Paul Stenquist
Nice shot, well composed. It's difficult to say with such a small 
image, but it doesn't appear to be grossly oversharpened, but it may be 
borderline. The edges of the petals against black look just a wee bit 
crusty.
Paul

On Aug 19, 2006, at 1:36 AM, Jack Davis wrote:

 This shot with A70~210 f/4 with extension ring (forget which one) and
 on macro setting. Been a favorite lens!
 Last offering for tonight and last flower for..(?)

 Jack

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Re: PESO Dawn Jewlery

2006-08-19 Thread Paul Stenquist
USM is an acronym for Unsharp Mask, which is a sharpening tool in 
PhotoShop. It's the most common type of sharpening used on scans or 
digital images. To explain it in a very untechnical way, it increases 
contrast where edges of objects meet in a photo. Too much USM, yields a 
frosty, sparkling edge that has an unpleasant feel to it. Some scanners 
apply a cruder form of sharpening during the scan.. It's best to turn 
this off and apply USM judiciously after scanning. I think this photo 
has some other issues as well that were probably created during 
rendering. It does appear somewhat overexposed, but that could be just 
too much brightness and contrast pumped in during the scan or in 
post-scan manipulation.
Paul

On Aug 19, 2006, at 12:40 AM, Jack Davis wrote:

 Thanks, Paul for response.
 This was shot using a white reflector in natural light. LX  A100 f/2.8
 macro and Provia 100F.
 Don't do my own scans. What's USM?
 Highlight blasts, I'm still thinking about.

 Jack


 --- Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I wasn't even thinking about the Columbine shot. Yes, I'm serious.
 It's the highlight blasts at the edges of contrasting colors that
 make it look oversharpened. But it is a very nice shot. Are you
 applying a lot of USM to your scans? (I believe you said you were
 shooting film.) In any case, that's my take. I could be wrong, but
 that's the impression I get.
 Paul
 On Aug 18, 2006, at 11:09 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

 Paul,
 Are you really serious about it's possibly being over sharpened
 or is
 this a spin off play on the recent Columbine exchanges?
 You say perhaps, does that mean you feel it is or you haven't
 decided?
 If you feel it is over sharpened, PLEASE clue me as to what it is
 you
 see that causes you to reach that conclusion. Could you be
 confusing
 contrast with something else?
 Do I have a unique monitor?

 Jack

 --- Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Nice shot. Perhaps a bit oversharpened.
 Paul
 On Aug 18, 2006, at 9:49 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

 Along the same theme as the recent dew covered blossom, this very
 small
 blossom is covered by actual morning dew. Note the droplet size
 compared to the blossom..whatever it is.

 Comments welcome.

 Jack

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NorCal Meeting

2006-08-19 Thread Shel Belinkoff
A group of us from Northern California, from Silicon Valley and Santa Cruz
up through Sacramento and the Sierra Foothills, are planning a
get-together.  At this point there are about eight of us - kind of
regulars to these meetings - who are discussing the possibilities off
list.  If you're interested in joining us, drop me a line _OFF LIST_ and
I'll add your name/address to the group.  If any of the regulars haven't
received an email, please accept my apologies.  Just drop me a note ...


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Re: PESO Dawn Jewlery

2006-08-19 Thread Jack Davis
Thanks, Paul.
I'm familiar with USM..obviously. :)
I'll discuss the scanning regime with my scanning source when next
used.
The odd thing to me is not seeing it in my work. A bit soft; has been
my consistent reaction to many member uploads. Attributed it to haste
and the assumed further PS'ing to be applied if image further used. My
tendency is to concentrate on, and comment about, the moment and
composition. 

Jack

--- Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 USM is an acronym for Unsharp Mask, which is a sharpening tool in 
 PhotoShop. It's the most common type of sharpening used on scans or 
 digital images. To explain it in a very untechnical way, it increases
 
 contrast where edges of objects meet in a photo. Too much USM, yields
 a 
 frosty, sparkling edge that has an unpleasant feel to it. Some
 scanners 
 apply a cruder form of sharpening during the scan.. It's best to turn
 
 this off and apply USM judiciously after scanning. I think this photo
 
 has some other issues as well that were probably created during 
 rendering. It does appear somewhat overexposed, but that could be
 just 
 too much brightness and contrast pumped in during the scan or in 
 post-scan manipulation.
 Paul
 
 On Aug 19, 2006, at 12:40 AM, Jack Davis wrote:
 
  Thanks, Paul for response.
  This was shot using a white reflector in natural light. LX  A100
 f/2.8
  macro and Provia 100F.
  Don't do my own scans. What's USM?
  Highlight blasts, I'm still thinking about.
 
  Jack
 
 
  --- Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I wasn't even thinking about the Columbine shot. Yes, I'm serious.
  It's the highlight blasts at the edges of contrasting colors that
  make it look oversharpened. But it is a very nice shot. Are you
  applying a lot of USM to your scans? (I believe you said you were
  shooting film.) In any case, that's my take. I could be wrong, but
  that's the impression I get.
  Paul
  On Aug 18, 2006, at 11:09 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
 
  Paul,
  Are you really serious about it's possibly being over sharpened
  or is
  this a spin off play on the recent Columbine exchanges?
  You say perhaps, does that mean you feel it is or you haven't
  decided?
  If you feel it is over sharpened, PLEASE clue me as to what it is
  you
  see that causes you to reach that conclusion. Could you be
  confusing
  contrast with something else?
  Do I have a unique monitor?
 
  Jack
 
  --- Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Nice shot. Perhaps a bit oversharpened.
  Paul
  On Aug 18, 2006, at 9:49 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
 
  Along the same theme as the recent dew covered blossom, this
 very
  small
  blossom is covered by actual morning dew. Note the droplet size
  compared to the blossom..whatever it is.
 
  Comments welcome.
 
  Jack
 
  http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=173
 
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Re: PESO: Yellow Lily

2006-08-19 Thread Jack Davis
Paul,
The lack of benefits to be derived from larger images is certainly
missed.
It's a gross world. I'll try not to contribute to it by heavy handed
use of the USM tool.

Jack


--- Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Nice shot, well composed. It's difficult to say with such a small 
 image, but it doesn't appear to be grossly oversharpened, but it may
 be 
 borderline. The edges of the petals against black look just a wee bit
 
 crusty.
 Paul
 
 On Aug 19, 2006, at 1:36 AM, Jack Davis wrote:
 
  This shot with A70~210 f/4 with extension ring (forget which one)
 and
  on macro setting. Been a favorite lens!
  Last offering for tonight and last flower for..(?)
 
  Jack
 
  http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=174
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Re: PESO Dawn Jewlery

2006-08-19 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Jack Davis
Subject: Re: PESO Dawn Jewlery


 William,
 No flash. White reflector.
 So, we now have sucking over sharpening?
 Otherwise, how do you like it? :-]]
 Thanks for thoughts.


The reflector is doing the same thing a flash would do, which is frying 
the highlights.
I'd go back to the original file and do less sharpening, and maybe 
adjust the curves to see if I couldn't pull some texture out of the 
bright areas.
Was this a film scan or a digital original?
The background has just enough detail to be annoying, I'd be taking a 
blur tool to it.
Otherwise, I like it fine.

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Re: Yellow Lily

2006-08-19 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Jack Davis 
Subject: PESO: Yellow Lily


 This shot with A70~210 f/4 with extension ring (forget which one) and
 on macro setting. Been a favorite lens!
 Last offering for tonight and last flower for..(?)
 
 Jack
 
 http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=174

I like the treatment you gave this. Kind of flower as landscape.
It looks a tad oversharpened to me.

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Re: PESO Dawn Jewlery

2006-08-19 Thread Jack Davis
Small 2004 film scan on a 3 1/2 floppy. Decent scan to be done when
sold. Still waiting. I know...could be awhile.:)
Have diddled with it a bit. See below.

Jack

http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=175

--- William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Jack Davis
 Subject: Re: PESO Dawn Jewlery
 
 
  William,
  No flash. White reflector.
  So, we now have sucking over sharpening?
  Otherwise, how do you like it? :-]]
  Thanks for thoughts.
 
 
 The reflector is doing the same thing a flash would do, which is
 frying 
 the highlights.
 I'd go back to the original file and do less sharpening, and maybe 
 adjust the curves to see if I couldn't pull some texture out of the 
 bright areas.
 Was this a film scan or a digital original?
 The background has just enough detail to be annoying, I'd be taking a
 
 blur tool to it.
 Otherwise, I like it fine.
 
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Re: Yellow Lily

2006-08-19 Thread Jack Davis
I hope my Optometrist can fit me as well as yours did you. 8)

Jack

--- William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Jack Davis 
 Subject: PESO: Yellow Lily
 
 
  This shot with A70~210 f/4 with extension ring (forget which one)
 and
  on macro setting. Been a favorite lens!
  Last offering for tonight and last flower for..(?)
  
  Jack
  
  http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=174
 
 I like the treatment you gave this. Kind of flower as landscape.
 It looks a tad oversharpened to me.
 
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Re: For those in the know about K10D

2006-08-19 Thread Powell Hargrave
That is the reason for hiring experts. They usually can save you money 
over doing it yourself. And they take all the flack, worth the money in 
itself in my opinion. However, some of us are so poor we have to do it 
ourselves. The saving grace there is that we also have to do the work 
ourselves so we know just exactly what was going on.
-- 
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And who to blame when it all screws up. :)

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Re: Yellow Lily

2006-08-19 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Jack,

Just about all your posted images look over sharpened to me - some grossly
so.  See your optometrist, check your monitor, try not to work when you're
tired.  Speaking for myself, when I work late into the evening, my ability
to focus well and get good quality sharpening practically disappears.  Pics
that I view after midnight look fine until I view them after a few hours of
sleep.

Shel



 [Original Message]
 From: Jack Davis 

 I hope my Optometrist can fit me as well as yours did you. 8)

 Jack

  I like the treatment you gave this. Kind of flower as landscape.
  It looks a tad oversharpened to me.



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Re: PESO - Breakfast At Bette's

2006-08-19 Thread P. J. Alling
Nice capture, but it's not up to your best.  (You probably knew that...)

Shel Belinkoff wrote:

Bette's is an old fashioned diner located in West Berkeley.  It's mostly a
breakfast joint - open at 6:00am, closes around 2:30.  The place is famous
for its buttermilk pancakes and for its wonderful potato pancakes.  By
6:30am the place is filled and on weekends the line is out the door.  Just
a little slice o' life here in the East Bay 

http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/bkfast_at_bette's.html

istDS, K18/3.5 @ 4.0, ISO 800, 1/25 sec exposure



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Re: DA 100mm f2.8 Macro

2006-08-19 Thread Adam Maas
The Panasonic DMC-L1 allows use of an aperture ring to set aperture (on 
lenses so equipped), but the aperture ring is entirely virtual, it's not 
a mechanical aperture ring, just an electronic control on the lens (just 
like the focus ring on all Oly and Leica 4/3rds lenses)

-Adam


Brendan MacRae wrote:
 
 --- Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 
Not true. The aperture of any A/F/FA/DA lens is set
by the body in  
all modes with any of the Pentax DSLRs, presuming
the aperture ring  
(if the lens has one) is set to the A position. In
Av and Manual  
mode, you set the aperture with a control on the
body, the body sets  
aperture per your setting.
 
 
 Ah, I see. Hence my confusion. I see what you're
 saying. Yuck, well when and if I switch to the K10D, I
 suppose I'll have to get used to that...if I can.
 
 
I understand you are working with an MZ-S, which
does not have body- 
controlled manual aperture settings. 
 
 
 It's true! And an LX, which is so old it doesn't even
 have Shutter Priority...
 
 
Nearly all modern SLRs set the aperture manually via
a control on the  
body. Nikon, Canon, Minolta aka Sony, Pentax. In not
so much time,  
you might not have any option to buy anything else
other than as used  
gear.
 
 
 Ok, but really modern DSLR's, correct?
 
 I don't  
 
play the guitar.
 
 
 Pitty, you're never too old to learn!
 
  
 
I drink my single malt without adulteration (water,
ice, etc), if  
that's what you mean! :-)
 
 
 Exactly, good man!
 
 
Same here. The DS is almost permanently in Av mode,
and occasionally  
in Manual mode.
 
 
 Ahh, right...the clouds have parted...
 
 
 
Same here. On the *ist DS, setting the exposure mode
to Av (and  
presuming the aperture ring is set to A or there is
none) the thumb  
wheel controls the aperture. Just flick it back and
forth to adjust  
your lens opening.
 
 
 Damn! How did I ever miss that? Oh yeah, I don't own a
 DSLR yet. That's sounds no fun to me. I'll need to try
 that soon to see if I like it. Hey! Maybe that's
 Aaron's secret...you can operate the K10D like a film
 SLR in this regard.
 
 
I would never buy an SLR that did not give me the
option of direct  
control over the lens opening. Whether the control
is on the body or  
the lens is irrelevant to me.
 
 
 Well, like I've said, it's not irrelevent to me if
 it's controlled on the body (but then, you must be
 used to it by now) but I agree. It's an absulote must
 to have said control...somewhere.
 
 Thanks for setting me straight, Godfrey. Good lord, I
 had no idea the DSLR's operated that way. Now I'm just
 pissed off. Do the *ist series film cameras operate
 that way as well? Where the hell have I been?
 
 You see, I knew there was a reason to come back into
 the fold. All of a sudden I feel so old fashioned.
 
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Re: New Member

2006-08-19 Thread Jostein Øksne
On 8/18/06, Douglas Newman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dear All,

 As you might have guessed from the subject line (!), I
 am a new member. I recently found this esteemed list
 from a reference on DPReview.

WeLcOmE aBoArD. :-)


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Re: New Member

2006-08-19 Thread Doug Franklin
Mark Roberts wrote:

 Douglas Newman wrote:
 Thanks for your warm welcome.

You're welcome.  I hope you still feel that way in a month. :-)

 It's not often that I come across a place with so many
 Dougs!

Me either.

 Mind if we call you Bruce to keep it clear?
 ;-)

Only if he's in charge of the sheep dip, and that job's probably already
taken.  Of course, around the PDML, we might need an entire team to
handle the sheep dip. ;-

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Re: New Member

2006-08-19 Thread David Savage
On 8/19/06, Jostein Øksne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 8/18/06, Douglas Newman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Dear All,
 
  As you might have guessed from the subject line (!), I
  am a new member. I recently found this esteemed list
  from a reference on DPReview.

 WeLcOmE aBoArD. :-)


 Jostein

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Re: Yellow Lily

2006-08-19 Thread Jack Davis
Shel,
I know your advice is given in good faith and I appreciate it.
Far as I've noticed, you did not respond to my highly complimentary
reaction to Bette's...
This gives me the chance to say that I see that image as a Rockwell.
Maybe a cover..if a little sharper. ;-))

Jack

--- Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Jack,
 
 Just about all your posted images look over sharpened to me - some
 grossly
 so.  See your optometrist, check your monitor, try not to work when
 you're
 tired.  Speaking for myself, when I work late into the evening, my
 ability
 to focus well and get good quality sharpening practically disappears.
  Pics
 that I view after midnight look fine until I view them after a few
 hours of
 sleep.
 
 Shel
 
 
 
  [Original Message]
  From: Jack Davis 
 
  I hope my Optometrist can fit me as well as yours did you. 8)
 
  Jack
 
   I like the treatment you gave this. Kind of flower as
 landscape.
   It looks a tad oversharpened to me.
 
 
 
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Re: DA 100mm f2.8 Macro

2006-08-19 Thread John Francis
On Fri, Aug 18, 2006 at 10:28:12PM -0700, Brendan MacRae wrote:
 
 
 Thanks for setting me straight, Godfrey. Good lord, I
 had no idea the DSLR's operated that way. Now I'm just
 pissed off. Do the *ist series film cameras operate
 that way as well? Where the hell have I been?
 
 You see, I knew there was a reason to come back into
 the fold. All of a sudden I feel so old fashioned.

Never mind - you can just go and stand in that group
over there; you're by no means the only person who wants
the aperture control to be done by the lens-mounted ring,
just as god intended.
Of course you won't be allowed into the group who also feel
that shutter controls belong on a ring round the lens, too.
Or the group for whom anything more sophisticated than
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Re: PESO - THE Bridge

2006-08-19 Thread John Francis
On Fri, Aug 18, 2006 at 11:48:22PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 In a message dated 8/18/2006 10:08:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Excellent. I like this. The color is subtle yet rich. But I would rotate it 
 about one degree counterclockwise or until both cable supports are leaning 
 toward the center at approximately the same angle.
 Paul
 ==
 Good idea. But already rotated a bit, so may try Mark's idea of perspective 
 tweaking.
 
 Either some distortion is due to my wide angle or the bridge is crooked.

Neither - you're pointing the camera upwards, so verticals lean inwards
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PESO: Corvette Codgers

2006-08-19 Thread Paul Stenquist
A snap from the Panasonic point and shoot digital. It's a 5  
megapixel, small sensor camera with a Leica zoom lens. I like it.  
This is a crop, about 70% of frame, ISO 800.
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4825376size=lg

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Re: PESO -- Sometimes Nature Needs a Crutch.

2006-08-19 Thread P. J. Alling
I don't know how your browser or e-mail client is handling the URL.  If 
you copy the entire thing out of the e-mail and paste it into the 
address bar it should come up.  I'm not having any trouble with 
Thunderbird and Firefox.  Let me know if it still doesn't work.

Ann Sanfedele wrote:

alas - this came up with a broken link... guess you WERE
tired :)
ann


P. J. Alling wrote:
  

http://www.mindspring.com/~megazip/PESO_--_natureneedsacrutch.html

Folding Beach Chair$25.00 at Job Lot.
Aluminum Side Table  $59.95 at IKEA.
Sunburst Ornament $21.99 at Pier One.

Crutch to keep that pesky branch out of your face, priceless...

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Re: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body

2006-08-19 Thread P. J. Alling
The *ist-D already allows multiple exposures in camera, (I haven't used 
it since I first got the camera so it took a while to figure out how to 
enable it), it allows up to 9 exposures on the same frame.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

OK, another go (not sure if it was mentioned before or if the other DSLR's 
don't have it):

double exposure; maybe it will even allow to double expose not only the last 
shot but any shot that's already on the card. Maybe it will also allow to 
preview the double exposure effect? (but the latter is for sure not a 
67-feature either!). Double exposure is trivial on the 67, but it requires 
some tweaking on regular 35mm SLR's, right?

But I doubt that this is the kind of feature to close your deal :-( 

Or even better: double exposure using blue screen technology: first you go 
into the city or countryside and shoot some nice sceneries. Then in the 
studio, you put the model in front of the blue screen and the camera pastes it 
into the scenery shot of your selection.

(oops, imagination running loose again --- ignore the last attempt)

groeten,
Vic
  

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On Aug 16, 2006, at 1:36 AM, Jens Bladt wrote:



A lens with shutterblades, will allow high shutterspeeds, when using a
flash.
  

Nope, I don't have one of those for the 67.

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Re: PUG reminder

2006-08-19 Thread gibikote
yay!
found something I felt  falls within the interpretation of the theme 
(remotely/obliquely).
just submitted and feeling good.

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Re: DA 100mm f2.8 Macro

2006-08-19 Thread Brendan MacRae


--- John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Fri, Aug 18, 2006 at 10:28:12PM -0700, Brendan
 MacRae wrote:
  
  
  Thanks for setting me straight, Godfrey. Good
 lord, I
  had no idea the DSLR's operated that way. Now I'm
 just
  pissed off. Do the *ist series film cameras
 operate
  that way as well? Where the hell have I been?
  
  You see, I knew there was a reason to come back
 into
  the fold. All of a sudden I feel so old fashioned.
 
 Never mind - you can just go and stand in that group
 over there; you're by no means the only person who
 wants
 the aperture control to be done by the lens-mounted
 ring,
 just as god intended.
 Of course you won't be allowed into the group who
 also feel
 that shutter controls belong on a ring round the
 lens, too.
 Or the group for whom anything more sophisticated
 than
 taking the lens cap off to control exposure is
 anathema.


lol!

It's definitely a frustration. I wish that the
engineers would think more in terms of making the new
technology as similar to the old as possible. I feel
for them, on the one hand, in that there are a
plethora of considerations that they must take into
account when designing something new (things I would
never even consider not being an engineer). However,
losing something as tactile and familiar as adjusting
the lens aperture on the lens seems next to crazy,
IMHO. Especially from the company that gave us the
perfectly retro Zx-5n, camera lauded by users and
designers alike for its traditional control laytout in
a autofocus body.

Still, I always hated that the Zx-5n was made of
plastic, which is another reason I switched to the
MZ-S. Maybe I'm just way too hard to please.

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Re: fine art print sizes without cropping (RE: Holy Crap -- Pentax 10MP body

2006-08-19 Thread P. J. Alling
I've found a source for Ilford Galerie Smooth Gloss for about 25% less 
than I can get it anywhere on line.  I print to fit that and find frames 
and mats to match.  But then I'm a Yankee, (read cheap). 

Aaron Reynolds wrote:

On Aug 16, 2006, at 2:47 PM, Adam Maas wrote:

  

Cropping the image to the paper allows use of standard frame sizes with
even matting on every edge.



Of course, you could always buy frames in different shapes.  At Ikea, 
they have a lot of odd (to North America) Euro sizes -- print to those!

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Re: photo dot net thread mentioning the pdml

2006-08-19 Thread P. J. Alling
Well, they're scurrilous anyway...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

But Tom, your posts about Pentax are scurrilous lies:-))
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  

Actually I perceive his post to be fairly accurate, based on the occcasions 
I've said anything negative regarding the Pentax product or company.



Tom C.

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- Original Message -
From: Scott Loveless
Subject: photo dot net thread mentioning the pdml


  

There's a recent thread over at the photodotnet Pentax forum that
mentions the PDML in a rather, well, unforgiving light.  It made me
laugh out loud.  Enjoy:
http://photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=00Hfddtag=


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Re: I sold my first photograph!

2006-08-19 Thread P. J. Alling
Semi-pro.  You can starve with the rest of us.  Single image or for 
publication.  (Nice shot by the way).

Steve Sharpe wrote:

It was this one -

http://earth.delith.com/malin.html

Does this make me a pro, now?

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Re: Zoom Lenses

2006-08-19 Thread P. J. Alling
Good luck finding a new zoom lens for a screw mount.  In the used 
category, Vivitar imported a 75-205 two touch  that was a single coated 
version, (same optical formula), of the original Series One, (70-210 one 
touch).  It was considerably lighter than the Series One, I got to 
handle one a couple of times, it seemed nice enough, though I never shot 
any test film with it.  They made it in m42 but the Pentax specific 
(open aperture with the F/ES series cameras), mount is likely to be as 
scarce as hens teeth.

Mark Binder wrote:

I use a Spotmatic F and I have a Tamron 35-135mm zoom lens. I'm 
interested in getting a different zoom, preferably one that goes up to 
200mm and is not a push/pull type. Do you have any suggestions? Used 
would best as I don't have a lot to spend.

Thanks

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Re: The third best selling DSLR in Japan

2006-08-19 Thread Jostein Øksne
On 8/18/06, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It's not just me beating up Pentax (good grief).

I second the parenthesis.

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Hummingbird help

2006-08-19 Thread cbwaters
So I've finally got some hummingbirds at my feeder on a regular basis.
Who know how to capture them? (photographically, honest)  
Care to share tips?

Cory
  

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Re: photo dot net thread mentioning the pdml

2006-08-19 Thread P. J. Alling
I thought that criticizing Pentax was required here.

Mark Roberts wrote:

David Savage wrote:

  

The last post I can find from Wiggy is 22/06/05.

According to my archives he was only active for that month. Some
people just lack stamina.



What I find hilarious is his comment that criticizing Pentax isn't
tolerated. Do we ever do anything *else* here?!

Mark I Hate SD Cards Roberts
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Re: For those in the know about K10D

2006-08-19 Thread P. J. Alling
Sadly, not around here.  The snapshot mini-labs are holding out in 
supermarkets and drug store chains.  The stand alone ones are dieing 
where they sit, the custom labs are close behind.

graywolf wrote:

Yes, that indeed is the best thing about digital for serious 
photographers. Of course there were good labs around if you did enough 
volume to be able to use them, they tended to have hefty surcharges on 
small orders. Snapshot mini-labs were not the place to get quality work 
done. I have not checked but I suspect that many of those high volume 
quality people labs are still doing business as most pro photographers 
still make their money by shooting, not by sitting in front of a 
computer (a guick web check shows that the lab I used for volume work 
when I was in business 25 years ago, North American Photo in Paul's neck 
of the woods, is still in business). The low volume custom labs have 
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Re: DA 100mm f2.8 Macro

2006-08-19 Thread John Forbes
Brendan,

Like everybody else (well, almost everybody), you'll get used to it after  
a while, and then wonder why you ever thought having an aperture ring was  
a good idea.

John


On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 18:06:43 +0100, Brendan MacRae  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 --- John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Fri, Aug 18, 2006 at 10:28:12PM -0700, Brendan
 MacRae wrote:
 
 
  Thanks for setting me straight, Godfrey. Good
 lord, I
  had no idea the DSLR's operated that way. Now I'm
 just
  pissed off. Do the *ist series film cameras
 operate
  that way as well? Where the hell have I been?
 
  You see, I knew there was a reason to come back
 into
  the fold. All of a sudden I feel so old fashioned.

 Never mind - you can just go and stand in that group
 over there; you're by no means the only person who
 wants
 the aperture control to be done by the lens-mounted
 ring,
 just as god intended.
 Of course you won't be allowed into the group who
 also feel
 that shutter controls belong on a ring round the
 lens, too.
 Or the group for whom anything more sophisticated
 than
 taking the lens cap off to control exposure is
 anathema.


 lol!

 It's definitely a frustration. I wish that the
 engineers would think more in terms of making the new
 technology as similar to the old as possible. I feel
 for them, on the one hand, in that there are a
 plethora of considerations that they must take into
 account when designing something new (things I would
 never even consider not being an engineer). However,
 losing something as tactile and familiar as adjusting
 the lens aperture on the lens seems next to crazy,
 IMHO. Especially from the company that gave us the
 perfectly retro Zx-5n, camera lauded by users and
 designers alike for its traditional control laytout in
 a autofocus body.

 Still, I always hated that the Zx-5n was made of
 plastic, which is another reason I switched to the
 MZ-S. Maybe I'm just way too hard to please.

 -Brendan



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Re: PESO: Corvette Codgers

2006-08-19 Thread John Forbes
Nice pic, but I was expecting a small warship.

John

On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 17:45:23 +0100, Paul Stenquist  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 A snap from the Panasonic point and shoot digital. It's a 5
 megapixel, small sensor camera with a Leica zoom lens. I like it.
 This is a crop, about 70% of frame, ISO 800.
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Re: Lens for Spotmatic - SMC TAKUMAR1:4 / 150MM

2006-08-19 Thread P. J. Alling
This is a great lens, one of my favorites.  Well worth a reasonable 
investment.

Jens Bladt wrote:

A local auction show a Pentax SMC TAKUMAR 1:4 150mm. Currently 15 USD - 14
hours left!
Anyone interested - send me an e-mail?
Regards
Jens Bladt
http://www.jensbladt.dk
+45 56 63 77 11
+45 23 43 85 77
Skype: jensbladt248

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From: cbwaters [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  

When is the damned embargo due to end, I'm really sick of Aaron's sadistic
little game.




Some says 12. september, others say 13. September or 14 September or even
15. September. Mis september seem pretty certain.

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Re: DA 100mm f2.8 Macro

2006-08-19 Thread Brendan MacRae
John,

No, not me. I still shoot film and will for quite some
time. The whole idea of that lens design to me is
backwards. After all, for me photography is lenses so
changing them greatly just rubs me the wrong way. What
next? Since the camera is autofocus then no manual
focus ring? 

It's true that I may get used to shooting that way,
but I'll never like it. 

-Brendan

--- John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Brendan,
 
 Like everybody else (well, almost everybody), you'll
 get used to it after  
 a while, and then wonder why you ever thought having
 an aperture ring was  
 a good idea.
 
 John
 
 
 On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 18:06:43 +0100, Brendan MacRae  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 
  --- John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  On Fri, Aug 18, 2006 at 10:28:12PM -0700, Brendan
  MacRae wrote:
  
  
   Thanks for setting me straight, Godfrey. Good
  lord, I
   had no idea the DSLR's operated that way. Now
 I'm
  just
   pissed off. Do the *ist series film cameras
  operate
   that way as well? Where the hell have I been?
  
   You see, I knew there was a reason to come back
  into
   the fold. All of a sudden I feel so old
 fashioned.
 
  Never mind - you can just go and stand in that
 group
  over there; you're by no means the only person
 who
  wants
  the aperture control to be done by the
 lens-mounted
  ring,
  just as god intended.
  Of course you won't be allowed into the group who
  also feel
  that shutter controls belong on a ring round the
  lens, too.
  Or the group for whom anything more sophisticated
  than
  taking the lens cap off to control exposure is
  anathema.
 
 
  lol!
 
  It's definitely a frustration. I wish that the
  engineers would think more in terms of making the
 new
  technology as similar to the old as possible. I
 feel
  for them, on the one hand, in that there are a
  plethora of considerations that they must take
 into
  account when designing something new (things I
 would
  never even consider not being an engineer).
 However,
  losing something as tactile and familiar as
 adjusting
  the lens aperture on the lens seems next to crazy,
  IMHO. Especially from the company that gave us the
  perfectly retro Zx-5n, camera lauded by users and
  designers alike for its traditional control
 laytout in
  a autofocus body.
 
  Still, I always hated that the Zx-5n was made of
  plastic, which is another reason I switched to the
  MZ-S. Maybe I'm just way too hard to please.
 
  -Brendan
 
 
 
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PUG etiquette

2006-08-19 Thread Tom Reese
What is the consensus of opinion for the PUG? I have a shot that I took for the 
abandoned theme but I have something a hell of a lot better in my archive.

Do you put shots in there that you took just for the PUG or do you pull photos 
out of your archive for it?

I don't want to cheat but I don't see much sense in putting bad pictures in 
there either.

thanks

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Re: DA 100mm f2.8 Macro

2006-08-19 Thread Paul Stenquist
 Brandan opined:


 It's definitely a frustration. I wish that the
 engineers would think more in terms of making the new
 technology as similar to the old as possible.


Except the thumbwheels are better than the aperture control on the  
lens. With two thumbwheels, like those on the *istD, one can adjust  
either shutter or aperture while keeping both hands firmly on the  
camera and a finger on the shutter. I shot for 30 years with aperture  
rings. I've had no problem getting over them. I think you'll find  
that you will adjust quickly and without effort to the new layout.
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Re: Hummingbird help

2006-08-19 Thread Paul Stenquist
I have some in my garden. I'm going to try to shoot them the same way  
I shoot dragonflies. My A400/5.6 handheld with the Sigma 500 Super  
flash and Kirk Xtender. I'll probably shoot at something like 5.6 @  
1000th, ISO 400, depending, of course, on the light. I may also try  
with the 400 and an A2X converter on the tripod, again with the flash  
and high-speed sync.
Paul
On Aug 19, 2006, at 3:49 PM, cbwaters wrote:

 So I've finally got some hummingbirds at my feeder on a regular basis.
 Who know how to capture them? (photographically, honest)
 Care to share tips?

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Re: PUG etiquette

2006-08-19 Thread Jostein Øksne
Hi Tom,

You are free to pick from your archive, of course.

Jostein

On 8/19/06, Tom Reese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What is the consensus of opinion for the PUG? I have a shot that I took for 
 the abandoned theme but I have something a hell of a lot better in my archive.

 Do you put shots in there that you took just for the PUG or do you pull 
 photos out of your archive for it?

 I don't want to cheat but I don't see much sense in putting bad pictures in 
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Re: Hummingbird help

2006-08-19 Thread Tom Reese
Set up on the feeder and wait. g

You can try to use flash to freeze them but I don't care for that look.

I'm not a big fan of feeder pictures. At the camera clinic last August, the GFM 
staff changed out the feeder (that the hummingbirds were used to) for some 
flowers in a vase. You might try that when you're ready to shoot. It worked 
very well. The hummingbirds never missed a beat. I prefocused on the flowers 
and pressed the shutter button everytime a hummingbird appeared in the frame. I 
got a bunch of throwaways but I got one that isn't too bad:

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4826012

I hope this helps.

Tom Reese

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Re: Hummingbird help

2006-08-19 Thread Jack Davis
Do you own a camera with snap-in focus or what's sometimes called,
trap focus?
I got several shots of them by this method, but nothing worth bringing
out in the light of day. Persistence was lacking during my Hummingbird
period.
If you don't receive further advice or want me to elaborate, let me
know. OKAY?

Jack

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Re: DA 100mm f2.8 Macro

2006-08-19 Thread cbwaters
Has anybody even tried to answer the original question?  Is the lens a dog 
or what?
CW

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 Any good? I'm thinking of picking one up and selling
 the Vivitar Series 1 105mm f2.5.

 I'm concerned about it being a cheap plastic blob. Is
 it?

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Re: PUG etiquette

2006-08-19 Thread cbwaters
If you made the photo and used Pentax gear, you're fine AFAIK.  No 
requirement to shoot it recently at all.

CW

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From: Tom Reese [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 4:22 PM
Subject: PUG etiquette


 What is the consensus of opinion for the PUG? I have a shot that I took 
 for the abandoned theme but I have something a hell of a lot better in my 
 archive.

 Do you put shots in there that you took just for the PUG or do you pull 
 photos out of your archive for it?

 I don't want to cheat but I don't see much sense in putting bad pictures 
 in there either.

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Re: DA 100mm f2.8 Macro

2006-08-19 Thread Pål Jensen

- Original Message - 
From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Except the thumbwheels are better than the aperture control on the
 lens. With two thumbwheels, like those on the *istD, one can adjust
 either shutter or aperture while keeping both hands firmly on the
 camera and a finger on the shutter.


I've never seen anyone holding the camera firmly with two hands. One hand 
rest always, at least for 99%, on the lens. The idea of using one hand for 
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Re: Hummingbird help

2006-08-19 Thread Jack Davis
I just posted a response to your question, but I want to, also, suggest
that you consider placing some cut blossoms on/around the feeder to
possibly include in a future crop.
Tried with and without high-speed flash.

Jack

--- cbwaters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 So I've finally got some hummingbirds at my feeder on a regular
 basis.
 Who know how to capture them? (photographically, honest)  
 Care to share tips?
 
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Photo Diary: Vagabond with clarinet

2006-08-19 Thread Roman
http://roman.blakout.net/?year=2006s=0category=essayblog=20060817150419

It's good idea to follow the music when you out there with a camera. I 
know my friends sometimes get annoyed by my awkward path I walk. It's 
just that I follow my way... Comments would be great to read, but I 
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Re: Nikons

2006-08-19 Thread Douglas Newman
--- David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Easy lads.
 I have the D1, D2H, D200 and just put a bid in for a
 D1H.

I'll admit it, I really like Nikons a lot.

My first D-SLR was a D1. Even though it was big and
heavy, I REALLY liked it. Unfortunately, it was also
defective and I couldn't get another one. 

At the time the camera I REALLY wanted was the D1H
(still current then, I believe), not for its speed but
because it had incredibly low noise levels and it
wasn't a Canon ;-).

I bought an Olympus E-1 and then a Canon 20D (my
current camera) instead of a D70. If I were to do it
again, I'd have chosen the D70 instead of the E-1 and
possibly even instead of the 20D. (The 20D probably
has marginally better image quality but the D70 is a
LOT easier to use. The more I use my Canon, the less I
like its control layout...)

Now, of all D-SLR bodies out there today, I think the
D200 is the nicest; it has the build quality and 
control layout of a D1/D2 series without the huge
size. (Actually, I don't care too much about the size;
it's the weight... And I do realize that the D2 series
are much lighter with their lithium batteries. As you
doubtless know, the NiMH batteries in the D1 series
weigh a TON. I can't believe Canon's current pro
bodies still use these!!!) Unfortunately the D200's a
bit noisy - though at least Nikon's NR is fairly
effective; the Sony A100 with the same sensor is much,
much worse! - and Nikon have relatively few VR lenses
(and they're expensive).

I have heard rumors that the K10D might be similar in
size and build to the D200. If that were true, I'd be
thrilled...

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Re: Nikons

2006-08-19 Thread Pål Jensen

- Original Message - 
From: Douglas Newman [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I have heard rumors that the K10D might be similar in
 size and build to the D200. If that were true, I'd be
 thrilled...


It is significantly smaller than the D200 and will give better image 
quality. I have no idea how it is built.


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Re: Nikons

2006-08-19 Thread Adam Maas
Douglas Newman wrote:
 --- David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
Easy lads.
I have the D1, D2H, D200 and just put a bid in for a
D1H.
 
 
 I'll admit it, I really like Nikons a lot.
 
 My first D-SLR was a D1. Even though it was big and
 heavy, I REALLY liked it. Unfortunately, it was also
 defective and I couldn't get another one. 
 
 At the time the camera I REALLY wanted was the D1H
 (still current then, I believe), not for its speed but
 because it had incredibly low noise levels and it
 wasn't a Canon ;-).
 
 I bought an Olympus E-1 and then a Canon 20D (my
 current camera) instead of a D70. If I were to do it
 again, I'd have chosen the D70 instead of the E-1 and
 possibly even instead of the 20D. (The 20D probably
 has marginally better image quality but the D70 is a
 LOT easier to use. The more I use my Canon, the less I
 like its control layout...)
 
 Now, of all D-SLR bodies out there today, I think the
 D200 is the nicest; it has the build quality and 
 control layout of a D1/D2 series without the huge
 size. (Actually, I don't care too much about the size;
 it's the weight... And I do realize that the D2 series
 are much lighter with their lithium batteries. As you
 doubtless know, the NiMH batteries in the D1 series
 weigh a TON. I can't believe Canon's current pro
 bodies still use these!!!) Unfortunately the D200's a
 bit noisy - though at least Nikon's NR is fairly
 effective; the Sony A100 with the same sensor is much,
 much worse! - and Nikon have relatively few VR lenses
 (and they're expensive).
 
 I have heard rumors that the K10D might be similar in
 size and build to the D200. If that were true, I'd be
 thrilled...
 
 Doug
 

The K10D is likely going to be similar in size to the D80, with build in 
between the D80 and D200. Given the D80 samples show better Noise 
performance than the D200, I'd expect the K10D to also be at least a bit 
better, although likely not as good as a D50 or the 20D.

-Adam
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Re: DA 100mm f2.8 Macro

2006-08-19 Thread Shel Belinkoff
A couple of years ago I watched James Nachtwey using his Canon to
photograph some compelling war footage.  He never moved the camera from his
eye, making all adjustments via thumbwheels on the camera.  I could
immediately see the advantage to that.  In addition, using electronic
aperture control via thumbwheel - at least on the Pentax cameras I've used
- allows more precise control of the aperture.  The istDS, for example, can
be set to 1/3 stop intervals while, with the same lens, only 1/2 or, in
some instances, only 1 stop, intervals can be accurately used.  For
example, with the lens that's on my camera now, one can only go from f11 to
f16 and from f16 to f22 when used manually, but with the thumbwheel the
lens can be used at  f11, f13, f14, f16, etc. 

Shel



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 From: Paul Stenquist 

 Except the thumbwheels are better than the aperture control on the  
 lens. With two thumbwheels, like those on the *istD, one can adjust  
 either shutter or aperture while keeping both hands firmly on the  
 camera and a finger on the shutter. I shot for 30 years with aperture  
 rings. I've had no problem getting over them. I think you'll find  
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Re: Newman

2006-08-19 Thread Douglas Newman


--- Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Or we could just call you Newman ... you're not a
 postal carrier, by chance, I don't suppose? :-)

No, I'm not :-).

I am, however, Paul Newman's grandson. But not THAT
Paul Newman ;-)...

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Re: DA 100mm f2.8 Macro

2006-08-19 Thread Pål Jensen

- Original Message - 
From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]


A couple of years ago I watched James Nachtwey using his Canon to
 photograph some compelling war footage.  He never moved the camera from 
 his
 eye, making all adjustments via thumbwheels on the camera.  I could
 immediately see the advantage to that.

This advantage is there with the aperture ring on the lens as well. You 
don't have to take the eye from the viewfinder.
The problem with the Z-1p, which I owned once, was that the aperture dial 
was at the back of the camera where the shutterspeed dial traditionally was, 
defying all logic. The problem with this was that it was awkward in use and 
that my thumb constantly poked my eye instead of setting the aperture. 
Luckily you could set aperture on the lenses avoiding the problem. I hope 
the ergonomics are better on the new Pentax K-DSLR or at least you can 
program what wheel does what.

In addition, using electronic
 aperture control via thumbwheel - at least on the Pentax cameras I've used
 - allows more precise control of the aperture.  The istDS, for example, 
 can
 be set to 1/3 stop intervals while, with the same lens,

I have never had any need setting aperture in 1/3 stop increments. I doubt 
you can see the difference.


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Re: DA 100mm f2.8 Macro

2006-08-19 Thread Shel Belinkoff
The difference can be seen. I can see it easily in the RAW files, and could
easily see such differences with film as well.

A couple of years ago we were arguing about exposure accuracy, and you took
the position that newer cameras with automatic exposure were more precise
and accurate than older cameras.  Now I offer up an example of greater
possibilities for more accurate exposure and you discount it, saying that
you've no need for it and that the differences can't be seen anyway  LOL

Shel



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 From: Pål Jensen 

 I have never had any need setting aperture in 1/3 stop increments. 
 I doubt  you can see the difference.



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Dual scan IV (was:OT - scanner question/request for opinions)

2006-08-19 Thread Matjaz Osojnik
Hi,

I have Minolta Dual Scan IV as well and am satisfied with it. It is a 
good scanner, especially for the price. I can recommend it for all 
but one: mine refuses to autofocus or manual focus.  The focus on the 
scans seems fine, although I'm not sure if it is the best I can get.

I'd use the opportunity and ask if anybody has similar experience or 
knows what it is about or it simply needs a service. After the 
refusal of focusing the message pops up saying Error = 1. Unknown 
error.  Confirm if all other Dimage Scan software is closed.

TIA,

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Re: OT: Toyota hybrid-electric drive system

2006-08-19 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Aug 14, 2006, at 11:08 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
 Pretty much a wrap up for the theoretical discussion in this thread:
 my Toyota Prius was delivered late Friday.
 ...

I'll post just this one last data point from practical use, for those  
who might be interested, as the last message on this thread line  
since it spawned so much conversation.

The LED fuel gauge hit one pip out of ten at about 395 miles. I have  
a bit of traveling to do today so I decided to fill the tank rather  
than wait for it to reach the Low Fuel warning blinker point.

Statistics:
   Delivered with 2 miles on odo, full tank. (total fuel capacity is  
said to be 11.7 US gallons)
   First refuel at 398 miles on odo was 9.173 US gallons, 43.2 mpg  
average.
(for the non US readers, that's 51.8 MPImpG or 5.4L per 100 KM if  
I got my conversion units correct).

That's darn good seeing as it's been a week of running many short  
hops, two longish round trips through normal midday traffic hell, AC  
on most of the time, etc. It's about double what my best fuel economy  
with the Freelander was. And the Prius is quieter, easier to park,  
rides better, easier to get in and out of, and seemingly holds more  
cargo/passengers. And has a ton of interesting doo-dads (fancy-dancy  
stereo, hands free cell phone integration, energy and economy  
display, etc.) to keep you entertained en route.

I'm pleased. :-) Now back to photography ... Hope to see some of you  
at the reception this evening!

Godfrey
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Re: DA 100mm f2.8 Macro

2006-08-19 Thread Matjaz Osojnik
I can't say from personal experience, but from the tests and samples 
I've seen, it seems to be a fine lens. Not the best out there but a 
good performer. It's build is far from that on FA which is rock 
solid, also it is not made from metal, but it is said to be OK. Take 
it with the graib of salt since I have never tried it myself.

BTW, it is not a DA 100mm, it is a F DA 100 mm macro lens since it 
covers 35 mm film as well.

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Re: OT: Toyota hybrid-electric drive system

2006-08-19 Thread Pål Jensen

- Original Message - 
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]


(for the non US readers, that's 51.8 MPImpG or 5.4L per 100 KM if
 I got my conversion units correct).

 That's darn good seeing as it's been a week of running many short
 hops, two longish round trips through normal midday traffic hell, AC
 on most of the time, etc.

Huh??? virtually any diesel car will run on significantly less. My Audi A6, 
which is a large car compared to a Prius, can run down to 0.43 and I'm never 
over 0.5 l/km; in fact usually I'm at 0.48 - 0.47. It is also 7 years old 
and have run 230 000 km.

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Re: DA 100mm f2.8 Macro

2006-08-19 Thread Pål Jensen

- Original Message - 
From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 The difference can be seen. I can see it easily in the RAW files, and 
 could
 easily see such differences with film as well.

 A couple of years ago we were arguing about exposure accuracy, and you 
 took
 the position that newer cameras with automatic exposure were more precise
 and accurate than older cameras.  Now I offer up an example of greater
 possibilities for more accurate exposure and you discount it, saying that
 you've no need for it and that the differences can't be seen anyway  LOL


These are two different things. I was thinking about need to set aperture in 
1/3s and doubted you could see the difference in DOF. In aperture priority 
you get exact exposure anyway. The limit of what you can see on the most 
demand slide film is 1/3 stop. With 1/2 stop increments you get 0.25 stop 
error margin something that is within whats is relevant. Besides, you can 
set any Pentax lens between F-stops making aperture setting stepless!

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Re: Newman

2006-08-19 Thread Doug Franklin
Douglas Newman wrote:

 I am, however, Paul Newman's grandson. But not THAT
 Paul Newman ;-)...

Well, rats ... that would've been a possible in to see his race team up
close.  It's better than me tho ... a franklin in medieval times was,
I'm told, a less than completely scrupulous money lender.  So my family
tree isn't exactly pristine. ;-)

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Re: Dual scan IV (was:OT - scanner question/request for opinions)

2006-08-19 Thread Steve Sharpe
At 10:50 PM +0200 8/19/06, Matjaz Osojnik wrote:
Hi,

I have Minolta Dual Scan IV as well and am satisfied with it. It is a
good scanner, especially for the price. I can recommend it for all
but one: mine refuses to autofocus or manual focus.  The focus on the
scans seems fine, although I'm not sure if it is the best I can get.

I'd use the opportunity and ask if anybody has similar experience or
knows what it is about or it simply needs a service. After the
refusal of focusing the message pops up saying Error = 1. Unknown
error.  Confirm if all other Dimage Scan software is closed.

I have the same scanner but have never had a focusing problem. I did 
see that error message after I got my new Imac, though. The driver 
that came with the scanner was not compatible with OS X.4. I 
downloaded an updated driver and that solved the problem.

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Re: OT: Toyota hybrid-electric drive system

2006-08-19 Thread Pål Jensen

- Original Message - 
From: John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 0.5 l/km is about ten times the fuel consumption of 5.4L per 100 Km ...


I meant L/10km


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Re: OT: Toyota hybrid-electric drive system

2006-08-19 Thread John Francis
On Sat, Aug 19, 2006 at 11:32:22PM +0200, P?l Jensen wrote:
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
 (for the non US readers, that's 51.8 MPImpG or 5.4L per 100 KM if
  I got my conversion units correct).
 
  That's darn good seeing as it's been a week of running many short
  hops, two longish round trips through normal midday traffic hell, AC
  on most of the time, etc.
 
 Huh??? virtually any diesel car will run on significantly less. My Audi A6, 
 which is a large car compared to a Prius, can run down to 0.43 and I'm never 
 over 0.5 l/km; in fact usually I'm at 0.48 - 0.47. It is also 7 years old 
 and have run 230 000 km.

0.5 l/km is about ten times the fuel consumption of 5.4L per 100 Km ...


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RE: Some images...

2006-08-19 Thread Tim Øsleby
That's some portefolio Pål :-)

Exelent work. Impressive!


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pål
Jensen
Sent: 3. august 2006 16:20
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Subject: Some images...

I've put up about 20 images as a portfolio at Photo.net.
Almost all of them are taken a few km from home, which is in Northern 
Norway. Most are  taken at night!

the link:

http://www.photo.net/photodb/member-photos?user_id=266609


Any coments are welcomed.

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Re: PUG etiquette

2006-08-19 Thread Cotty
On 19/8/06, Tom Reese, discombobulated, unleashed:

What is the consensus of opinion for the PUG? I have a shot that I took
for the abandoned theme but I have something a hell of a lot better in
my archive.

It's heavily advised to shoot with some Pentax gear ;-

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Re: Nikons/K10D

2006-08-19 Thread Douglas Newman


--- Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
 It is significantly smaller than the D200 and will
 give better image quality.

Smaller is OK, so long as it is not BIGGER :-).

I have heard it will be a metal body with
weather-sealing; if so I guess that would put it
roughly on par with the D200 build-wise.

Of course, better image quality is ALWAYS welcome. At
low ISOs the D200 looks OK but it is very noisy at
high ISOs. However, it still looks better than the
Sony A100 whose image quality is rather disappointing.

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Nikon/K10D

2006-08-19 Thread Douglas Newman
--- Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The K10D is likely going to be similar in size to
 the D80, with build in between the D80 and D200. 

The D80 (I have not paid much attention to it) is
similar in size to the D70? I can live with that.

The D70 feels like it is built fairly decently, if the
D80 is similar again that is OK though I doubt the D80
will be any better built than an *ist DS/DL/K100
series camera all of which seem pretty solid.

What I would really like to see is a metal body (for
no reason other than that I like the way it feels!)
and especially weather-sealing. I always feel a slight
bit of nervousness taking my 20D out in the rain even
though I know it can handle it... I never felt that
with the sealed Olympus E-1 (which was beautifully
built and had excellent ergonomics but a pathetically
bad Kodak sensor).

 I'd expect the K10D to also be at least a bit
better, although likely not as good as a D50 or the
20D. 

If it is, say, one stop worse than the 20D, I can live
with that since shake reduction makes up for it.

Any worse than that and the difference would be big
enough for me to buy a K100D which should be very
similar in noise levels to the 20D.

As for the D50, I know it is supposedly about the
lowest-noise camera out there, but I actually find its
noise more noticeable than the D70/D70s. The D70 has
VERY fine-grained noise which looks more like film
grain than thse noise from a lot of other digital
cameras.

You can see the difference very clearly here:
http://digitalcamera.impress.co.jp/06_02/auth/toku1/index_iso.htm

Of all the 6 MP Sony sensor cameras listed there, I
would say the D70 looks subjectively best. The D50,
the two Pentaxes, and the two Konica Minoltas all
appear to have LESS noise than the D70, but it is, to
stick with the grain metaphor, larger grain than the
D70's.

I guess the technical way to say this would be that
the D70 appears to have more luminance noise but less
chroma noise than the others. Interestingly, this is
the approach Nikon took with the rather noisy D200 and
even noisier D2x which have virtually no chroma noise
at all but LOADS of luminance noise.

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Re: Nikons/K10D

2006-08-19 Thread Dario Bonazza
Douglas Newman wrote:

 I have heard it will be a metal body with
 weather-sealing; if so I guess that would put it
 roughly on par with the D200 build-wise.

I think the K10D will be metal inside and plastic on the outside, just like 
all previous Pentax DSLR's.
Yes, it is rumored it will have some kind of sealing.
Compared to Nikon cameras, I expèect it to be much alike a 90D :-)

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Enablement: FA 1:1.9 43mm Limited

2006-08-19 Thread Bertil Holmberg
I could not resist this beauty, even if I already had the pancake  
40mm. My SMC PENTAX-FA 1:1.9 43mm Limited is new, and it's black :-)

The example below is not a great photo, but a decent snapshot, I  
think. It is the first photo I took with the new lens. I have only  
downsized it a bit, no other editing done.

It was taken by free hand in natural light when my DS happend to be  
set at f/5.6, which gave 1/60 and ISO 800 (auto).

Needless to say, I'm very happy with this lens.

http://web.telia.com/~u40913062/AB/Bambi/BambiSuperSmall.jpg

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Re: Nikons/K10D

2006-08-19 Thread Dario Bonazza
I wrote:

 Compared to Nikon cameras, I expèect it to be much alike a 90D :-)

Please read:

Compared to Nikon cameras, I expect it to be much alike a D90 :-)

I mean its specifications will be slightly above the D80. Given the Pentax 
way of doing stuff, I don't expect it will fully match the D200. A future 
K5D (or possibly a K1D, in 2015 ;-) will do that.

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Re: OT: Toyota hybrid-electric drive system

2006-08-19 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
By the metric you state below, your car uses about 10x the fuel that  
the Prius does. I presume you mean to say L per 10Km, although I fail  
to understand why you don't list L per 100Km like virtually all the  
fuel economy statistics do. It's irrelevant, though, as the diesel A6  
is/was not available in the US, never mind the difference in its  
operating emissions output.

BTW: On similar sized (to the A6) diesel automobiles I've rented in  
the UK, the fuel economy has never been anywhere near the numbers  
you're quoting. 30-40 miles per Imp gallon is what I've seen. My old  
Peugeot 504D ran 32 MPG (US gallons) as an average.

Godfrey



On Aug 19, 2006, at 2:32 PM, Pål Jensen wrote:


 - Original Message -
 From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]


(for the non US readers, that's 51.8 MPImpG or 5.4L per 100 KM if
 I got my conversion units correct).

 That's darn good seeing as it's been a week of running many short
 hops, two longish round trips through normal midday traffic hell, AC
 on most of the time, etc.

 Huh??? virtually any diesel car will run on significantly less. My  
 Audi A6,
 which is a large car compared to a Prius, can run down to 0.43 and  
 I'm never
 over 0.5 l/km; in fact usually I'm at 0.48 - 0.47. It is also 7  
 years old
 and have run 230 000 km.

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WTB Parts

2006-08-19 Thread Collin R Brendemuehl
I need a K1000 (pre-China) or KX or KM parts body.
Or if you have parts, (a) the cover for the frame counter and (b) the 
bottom plate.


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Re: Kodachrome processing: Ambiguous press release

2006-08-19 Thread P. J. Alling
Burn 'im I say.

Scott Loveless wrote:

On 8/17/06, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

NTW: I personally never liked Kodachrome.



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Re: PESO Dawn Jewlery

2006-08-19 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 8/18/2006 6:50:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Along the same theme as the recent dew covered blossom, this very small
blossom is covered by actual morning dew. Note the droplet size
compared to the blossom..whatever it is.

Comments welcome.

Jack

http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=173

Very pretty. Like it a lot. Nice detail.

Marnie aka Doe 

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Re: PESO - Nature's Sculpture

2006-08-19 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 8/18/2006 10:07:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I like it. If that's dirt, then dirt is for me.

-Brendan
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Thanks!

Marnie :-)

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Re: Nikons/K10D

2006-08-19 Thread Pål Jensen

- Original Message - 
From: Douglas Newman [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I have heard it will be a metal body with
weather-sealing; if so I guess that would put it
roughly on par with the D200 build-wise.


REPLY:

I haven't heard anything about metal body but I doubt it based on the 
rumored price. There are rumors about weather sealing as well although I 
personally find that hard to believe based on Pentax track record in this 
regard. They did indeed make the first weather sealed slr with the LX but 
haven't made one since.

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Re: PESO - Nature's Sculpture

2006-08-19 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 8/19/2006 3:48:23 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] 
writes:
Marnie -
tell me, as close as you can, exactly where you were when
you took it 
(the highway number, etc...)

I'll look up the formation in Roadside Geo for you :)

The lack of scale makes it hard to pin it down...

ann

There's a roadside geo? You're having me on, right? That would be so totally 
totally cool. I am always noticing rock and dirt by roadsides. Got the 
pictures to prove it. :-)

If you're not having me on, I'll look it up on a map.

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Re: Nikon/K10D

2006-08-19 Thread Pål Jensen

- Original Message - 
From: Douglas Newman [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 The D80 (I have not paid much attention to it) is
 similar in size to the D70? I can live with that.


REPLY:

It can be seen here:
http://www.pentax.co.jp/japan/news/2006/press-image/200609-04.jpg


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Re: Enablement: FA 1:1.9 43mm Limited

2006-08-19 Thread Paul Stenquist
Looks quite sharp and nicely rendered. BTW, she's a real doll! Thanks  
for the mammaries!
Paul
On Aug 19, 2006, at 6:22 PM, Bertil Holmberg wrote:

 I could not resist this beauty, even if I already had the pancake
 40mm. My SMC PENTAX-FA 1:1.9 43mm Limited is new, and it's black :-)

 The example below is not a great photo, but a decent snapshot, I
 think. It is the first photo I took with the new lens. I have only
 downsized it a bit, no other editing done.

 It was taken by free hand in natural light when my DS happend to be
 set at f/5.6, which gave 1/60 and ISO 800 (auto).

 Needless to say, I'm very happy with this lens.

 http://web.telia.com/~u40913062/AB/Bambi/BambiSuperSmall.jpg

 Regards, Bertil

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Re: Zenitar 16mm/2.8

2006-08-19 Thread P. J. Alling
I've never used one.  But a few people on this list have used them to 
good effect.  From their results I'd say it's a very fine lens, (subject 
to sample variation of course).

Bill Lawlor wrote:

I'll be coming over to digital when the K10D hits the market. Does anyone on
the list have an opinion about the Russian Zenitar 16mm/2.8 lens for
digital, or 35mm, format?

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Re: The third best selling DSLR in Japan

2006-08-19 Thread P. J. Alling
Pentax probably announced the rebate before it had any feedback on 
demand.  Now the company is stuck keeping it's word.  Still it's better 
to have more demand than you can handle than less...

Tom C wrote:

Simple solution.  Put on more shifts.  :-)  Why would they be giving a 
rebate if they have trouble meeting pent up demand?  That doesn't make a lot 
of sense, if true.  Either they are reducing profit with rebate in order to 
sell stock, or their cost was so, little that they could factor that in 
behind the scenes.




Tom C.

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numbered.







  

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Subject: Re: The third best selling DSLR in Japan
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:24:21 +1000

On 18/08/06, K.Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



In Japan, Pentax factory cannot meet the demand even on a 3 shift basis.
There is a waiting queue and you have to wait for varying time in some 
  

areas


before you can get your paws on it, which of course is very rare for the
(past) Pentax.
  

So would you say they priced it correctly? Doesn't seem so.

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Re: DA 100mm f2.8 Macro

2006-08-19 Thread P. J. Alling
You probably should be asking about the DFA 100mm Macro since there's no 
DA 100mm macro.  I don't have the answer, though I'd assume that it's at 
least as good as the FA it's replacing, but with the new focus clutch 
system, and it has an aperture ring, unlike it's DA siblings

cbwaters wrote:

Has anybody even tried to answer the original question?  Is the lens a dog 
or what?
CW

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Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 11:47 PM
Subject: DA 100mm f2.8 Macro


  

Any good? I'm thinking of picking one up and selling
the Vivitar Series 1 105mm f2.5.

I'm concerned about it being a cheap plastic blob. Is
it?

-Brendan

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RE: PESO - Matchbooks

2006-08-19 Thread Tim Øsleby
I don't know Shel. I like the idea. There is a lot of history in those
boxes.

But I'm very annoyed by the two boxes being upside down (purple in centre
and green at the right). I have a strong urge to turn them around.

This is kind of funny, me being annoyed by this; you should see my office,
that's messy ;-)


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shel
Belinkoff
Sent: 18. august 2006 08:13
To: PDML
Subject: PESO - Matchbooks

Linda and Charlie's matchbook collection:

http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/matchbooks.html


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RE: Faces

2006-08-19 Thread Tim Øsleby
Well seen Roman. 
Think I've cropped off the feats of the widest shot if it was mine. 
I find the bag and the sandals a bit distracting. They make a bit heavy at
the bottom.

Tim
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Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds 
(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)

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Sent: 17. august 2006 18:05
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Faces

Just few faces fit into my sense of color today. A vagabond musician 
with clarinet and one of his listeners from the crowd.

http://roman.blakout.net/r-rated/460x690-IMGP6500.jpg
^^^one of a crowd

http://roman.blakout.net/?blog=20060817150419
^^^Just follow your ears when you hear the music, you might have 
fascinating jazzy therapy for your listening pleasure and something to 
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Re: DA 100mm f2.8 Macro

2006-08-19 Thread Mark Roberts
John Forbes wrote:

Like everybody else (well, almost everybody), you'll get used to it after  
a while, and then wonder why you ever thought having an aperture ring was  
a good idea.

When I bought my PZ-1p way back around 1999 or so the most advanced
cameras I had used were the MX and ME Super. It took me about 60
seconds to be sold on the concept of aperture control from the body
and I've never looked back. I actually complained about the MZ-S not
having the dual thumbwheel control system of the PZ-1p.
 
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Re: PESO - Nature's Sculpture

2006-08-19 Thread Shel Belinkoff
http://www.amateurgeologist.com/shop/books_roadside.html

Shel



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 Date: 8/19/2006 4:53:58 PM
 Subject: Re: PESO - Nature's Sculpture

 In a message dated 8/19/2006 3:48:23 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 Marnie -
 tell me, as close as you can, exactly where you were when
 you took it 
 (the highway number, etc...)

 I'll look up the formation in Roadside Geo for you :)

 The lack of scale makes it hard to pin it down...

 ann
 
 There's a roadside geo? You're having me on, right? That would be so
totally 
 totally cool. I am always noticing rock and dirt by roadsides. Got the 
 pictures to prove it. :-)

 If you're not having me on, I'll look it up on a map.

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