AW: AW: K10D tikwa

[Markus Maurer]

Hi Boris
thanks, I would never have guessed that this is Hebrew.
greetings
Markus


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Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Auftrag von
Boris Liberman
Gesendet: Freitag, 24. November 2006 06:16
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Betreff: Re: AW: K10D tikwa


Markus, Tikwa means Hope in Hebrew ;-).

Markus Maurer wrote:
> Hi Steve
> where does that dog name com from, sounds like indian or inuit language
for
> me ;-)
> Nice dog, the photo is a bit soft around the eyes.
> greetings
> Markus
>
>
> -Ursprungliche Nachricht-
> Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Auftrag von
> Steve Barbour
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 23. November 2006 21:09
> An: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Betreff: K10D tikwa
>
>
> so today I played for the first time with my K10D...
>
> an early result shown here... my labrador,  tikwa...
>
>
> http://www.pbase.com/kididdoc/image/70659257
>
>
> (with a tamron zoom lens)
>
>
> happy holiday to all from tikwa and me...
>
>
> Steve
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Re: Calling Paul Stenquist

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> Paul, I tried to send you an offlist message.
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Re: AW: Printing Digital Photos

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Nov 23, 2006, at 5:53 PM, Digital Image Studio wrote:

>> Don't you agree that this issue is included in the statement "it all
>> depends on the particulars of a specific photo"? Highly detailed,
>> super fine grain work with a view camera is an aesthetic that
>> currently has no analogue in digital capture.
>
> Depending on time/image dynamics constraints stitched multi-row images
> can now easily exceed the resolution of LF film.

That's certainly true, but the experience and art of producing a  
beautiful large format image with a single exposure is quite  
different from the art of manufacturing a composite photograph made  
up of many separate exposures. I don't think the photograph can be  
the same due to the means of its construction.

Godfrey

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Re: AW: Printing Digital Photos

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Nov 23, 2006, at 7:52 PM, William Robb wrote:

 A photo's emotional, expressive content outweighs any technical
 notions of noise or grain. It all depends on the particulars of a
 specific photo.
>>>
>>> There are a few genres that this doesn't hold true for.
>>> As much as I am looking forward to the K10, I harbour no  
>>> expectations
>>> that it will provide sufficient image quality to replace my view
>>> camera.
>>
>> Don't you agree that this issue is included in the statement "it all
>> depends on the particulars of a specific photo"? Highly detailed,
>> super fine grain work with a view camera is an aesthetic that
>> currently has no analogue in digital capture.
>
> I agree with the second sentence, but the first is a blanket statement
> that doesn't hold true all the time.

Please describe ANY situations when the second statement in the  
quote, "A photo's emotional, expressive content outweighs any  
technical notions of noise or grain. It all depends on the  
particulars of a specific photo" does not hold true. I cannot think  
of one. You mentioned that you 'harbour no expectations when it will  
provide sufficient image quality to replace your view camera'. How  
does this not represent a dependence on the particulars of a specific  
photo?

And yes, I understand that this is a semantics issue rather than  
anything to do with photography. :-)

> It is, however, better to have a less than perfect picture of a sharp
> concept than a perfect picture of a fuzzy concept.

This rejoinder doesn't seem to be connected in any logical way with  
the issue you raised.

Godfrey

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Re: My long zoom expired. Help needed. Also WTB. Sigma 70-300mm f4.0-5.6 Apo Macro Super

[Don Williams]

Boris,

Here's a shot taken with the Apo Macro Super at 300mm -- macro setting. 
If you'd like to see the original let me know:

http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams/hold/2886s.jpg

I also set up a gallery of winter shots around the property -- all made 
with this lens.

http://picasaweb.google.com/don.donwilliams/WinterExperimental

There are pictures taken at all lengths from 70 to 300.

The lens is engraved "APO Macro Super" there is no II and the ring 
around the barrel end is Gold.

D

Raimo K wrote:
> IIRC the first version - which I have - is the best at the long end. It´s a 
> good lens.
> All the best!
> Raimo K
> Personal photography homepage at:
> http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "wendy beard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 5:47 PM
> Subject: Re: My long zoom expired. Help needed. Also WTB.
>
>
>   
>> I used to own one of the Sigma 70-300mm f4.0-5.6 Apo Macro Super
>> lenses and it was pretty awful at the long end.
>> I think my copy was the Apo Macro Super II.  There are newer and I
>> should imagine improved incarnations of it, so just be careful if
>> you're buying second hand.  Make sure you're not geting one of the
>> older versions.
>>
>> Wendy
>>
>> On 11/22/06, Don Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Boris,
>>>
>>> I have a Sigma 70-300mm f4.0-5.6 Apo Macro Super and find it really
>>> useful. I've used it regularly now for about a year and have no
>>> complaints. As a macro it works better than I expected and if you want
>>> to chase butterflies around the garden it's ideal; giving half life size
>>> images at the Macro 300mm setting. If you do a search on the web you'll
>>> find a few informative reviews. Its a 35mm lens of course. I don't know
>>> anything about the DG version. The MTF looks good for 35mm and looks
>>> *really great* for the smaller sensor of the *ist D. There are several
>>> other versions of this lens that don't perform nearly as well. There is
>>> no chromatic aberration to speak of -- even in the corners. I haven't
>>> used it on a film camera, but would expect to find them. Maybe some of
>>> our other members have the same lens? The Apo Macro Super has a gold
>>> band around the front and is on page 8 of the Sigma lens catalogue.
>>>
>>> D
>>>
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Re: Pentax 1.8 85mm

[Shel Belinkoff]

Read between the lines ...

John, why do you insist on continuing this stupidity.  We all know your
position on this, and for those of us who buy and use Pentax DSLR's, we
have either accepted the reality of the situation or just don't care.  I
love my K-mount lenses, and I'm glad to be able to easily use them on the
DSLR. 

Shel

J. C. O'Connell wrote:
>
> A "HAR!" does not answer the question. Would you
> pay $50 more for full K/M support on a top line
> Pentax DSLR or not?   I  W O U L D !   If I only had ONE
> really good K/M lens it would be well worth it to me.



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Re: Elements 5.0 and K10D

[Bob Sullivan]

Jack,
Off the bat, Photoshop Elements 5.0 will not open the RAW files I shot.
Regards,  Bob S.

On 11/23/06, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Have any of the few who have received their K10D, opened RAW in
> Elements 5?
>
> Jack
>
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Re: Reservations about DA 16-45

[Bob Sullivan]

Henk,
Nice shots and a long way from NL.
The Great Ocean Road is really a great place.
Regards,  Bob S.


On 11/23/06, Henk Terhell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I much like my DA 16-45 as an all-purpose lens and I rarely now take my
> primes when travelling. Incidently, I also made a couple of pics last
> month (in the late afternoon) with the DA 16-45 of the 12 Apostles in
> Australia.
>
> http://www.dewindvanvoorne.nl/fotoalbum/Australia/Great%20Ocean%20Road%2
> 0-%20Victoria/slides/IMGP5652s.html
>
> http://www.dewindvanvoorne.nl/fotoalbum/Australia/Great%20Ocean%20Road%2
> 0-%20Victoria/slides/IMGP5649s2.html
>
> Henk
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Bob Sullivan
> Sent: 23 November, 2006 7:06 PM
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> Subject: Re: Reservations about DA 16-45
>
>
> John,
>
> Here's a shot from Australia with the 16-45mm zoom.
> I haven't seen much in the way of flare problems.
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Re: MZ-S and HSIE film

[Bob Sullivan]

Use a different camera.  The infared system counts sprocket holes
passing in the MZ-S. Regards,  Bob S.


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> Does anybody know If High Speed Infrared Emulsion film can be used
> with the MZ-S?
> Does the internal infrared mechanism affect it?
> I have a wedding to shoot tomorrow and would like to pop off a few IR
> of the bride and groom.
>
> Kind regards
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Re: PESO: Mom

[Brendan MacRae]

Paul,

I really like this portrait. Wonderful light and
composition.

Good work.

Another shot that makes me eager to fiddle with the
K10D when it arrives tomorrow.

-Brendan
--- Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Another K10d pic at ISO 800, FA 50/1.4, f2.8 @
> 1/180th. Window light.  
> Plus one half stop exposure comp with matrix
> metering. Even at 100%  
> the noise is barely detectable here.
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5245692
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MZ-S and HSIE film

[Kevin Waterson]

Does anybody know If High Speed Infrared Emulsion film can be used
with the MZ-S?
Does the internal infrared mechanism affect it?
I have a wedding to shoot tomorrow and would like to pop off a few IR
of the bride and groom.

Kind regards
Kevin

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Re: PDML and Thunderbird

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!

Mark, good to have you back in the gang.

I use TB and my PDML mail address is GMail based. I have similar 
problem. My messages show but not always and rather sporadically.

I don't care 'cause it seems they always arrive to the list. I usually 
simply copy my messages from "Sent" folder to my "PDML" folder if I want 
them to be saved and properly appear in the thread structure.

My settings are like yours - send plain text.

Cheers.

Boris


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> Earlier today I got set up on the PDML with feeds
> going to both my Yahoo mail account and also my
> primary POP mail account - one for reading on the
> laptop at my convenience, the other for better sorting
> of messages by threads etc...
> 
> I'm using Thunderbird on the home computer (the
> Mozilla mail client, not the wine...) 
> 
> None of the posts I've tried to make from Thunderbird
> show up on the PDML. The Yahoo account seems to work
> fine.
> 
> I configured Thunderbird to send plain text to the
> list, and the messages show up in the sent folder as
> plain text, so I can't figure out what the problem is.
> 
> 
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> If so - any tips on settings?
> 
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> 
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Re: AW: K10D tikwa

[Boris Liberman]

Markus, Tikwa means Hope in Hebrew ;-).

Markus Maurer wrote:
> Hi Steve
> where does that dog name com from, sounds like indian or inuit language for
> me ;-)
> Nice dog, the photo is a bit soft around the eyes.
> greetings
> Markus
> 
> 
> -Ursprungliche Nachricht-
> Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Auftrag von
> Steve Barbour
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 23. November 2006 21:09
> An: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Betreff: K10D tikwa
> 
> 
> so today I played for the first time with my K10D...
> 
> an early result shown here... my labrador,  tikwa...
> 
> 
> http://www.pbase.com/kididdoc/image/70659257
> 
> 
> (with a tamron zoom lens)
> 
> 
> happy holiday to all from tikwa and me...
> 
> 
> Steve
> 
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Re: OT - Prius Fuel Economy (was: Flash voltage for K10D)

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Loveless"
Subject: Re: OT - Prius Fuel Economy (was: Flash voltage for K10D)


>>
> Nissan doesn't offer the X-trail in the States.  As far as I know,
> they don't offer the Xterra outside the US.  But that's really good
> mileage for an SUV.  Our 2000 Protege doesn't do that well.

I'm pretty sure we get the Xterra here.
I'm not sure if I would call the X-Trail an SUV, though it is a very 
nicely sized little car.

>
> My uncle owns a Dodge Ram 2500 with the Hemi.  Gets 9mpg running
> empty.  For the final phase of our move east I rented a 17' U-haul and
> a dolly to tow the car.  The van they gave me was a ford econoline
> chassis with the triton V10.  Fully loaded and towing a car we
> averaged 11mpg.  I called my uncle from the road to rub it in.  
> He had some choice words for me!

The Dodge boys that I know are all crying about their fuel economy. They 
cry a little more when I tell them what my Nissan gets, and that it has 
more torque than their girlyboy Hemi.

William Robb 



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Re: OT - Prius Fuel Economy (was: Flash voltage for K10D)

[Scott Loveless]

On 11/23/06, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "cbwaters"
> Subject: Re: OT - Prius Fuel Economy (was: Flash voltage for K10D)
>
>
> > That's about what we got with the old Xterra...
> > For fun, try pulling a camper like PDML West.  You'll LONG for 16mpg
> > ;)

I pulled a 4500 lb enclosed cargo trailer from St. Louis, MO to
central PA a couple years ago with ours.  We averaged 13mpg until we
hit eastern Hell, er, Ohio.  Hills and mountains the rest of the way -
11mpg.  Normally I get about 17-18mpg around town, and between 18 and
21 on the highway.  I still haven't figured out why we got 16mpg over
four tanks of fuel.

>
> My wife's X-Trail turns in close to 45mpg when averaging 75mph. This
> would be closer to 36mpg in your gallons.
> Not bad for a small 4wd.
> My Titan gets about 10 to the gallon (8 US) when hauling the home away
> from home, which is a 25' Jay Flight.
>
Nissan doesn't offer the X-trail in the States.  As far as I know,
they don't offer the Xterra outside the US.  But that's really good
mileage for an SUV.  Our 2000 Protege doesn't do that well.

My uncle owns a Dodge Ram 2500 with the Hemi.  Gets 9mpg running
empty.  For the final phase of our move east I rented a 17' U-haul and
a dolly to tow the car.  The van they gave me was a ford econoline
chassis with the triton V10.  Fully loaded and towing a car we
averaged 11mpg.  I called my uncle from the road to rub it in.  
He had some choice words for me!


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Re: AW: PESO: Thanksgiving

[Amita Guha]

I can see how you would think she was on the same surface as the bird,
but she wasn't. :) She was on her window perch, and the cart the
turkey was on was almost level with the perch.

Amita

On 11/23/06, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Viewing this all I can think is, what the hell is kitty doing on the food
> preparation surface?
>
> Dave
>
> At 11:09 AM 24/11/2006, Amita Guha wrote:
> >I just had to share this one of my cat looking on as my husband carves
> >the turkey:
> >http://sunny16.smugmug.com/gallery/478517/1/112390705
> >
> >Nikon D200, 18-200mm VR, SB-800 flash, ISO 400, 1/60 @ f8.
> >
> >Hope all our US-American friends are having a good holiday!
> >
> >Amita
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Re: OT - Prius Fuel Economy

[Adam Maas]

William Robb wrote:
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Paul Stenquist"
> Subject: Re: OT - Prius Fuel Economy (was: Flash voltage for K10D)
> 
> 
>> Full Hybrids like the Toyota Prius, the Ford Escape and the Mercury
>> Mariner deliver their best mileage in city driving. That's because
>> the gas engine shuts off completely every time yuo stop. Their urban
>> warriors. The New York Times reviewed the Mariner last week. I think
>> they got something like 37 city from this rather spacious SUV.
> 
> No one is really flogging the hybrids around here yet.
> Do they have problems when it is REALLY cold outside?
> 
> William Robb 
> 

Toyota can't keep up with demand in the major urban centres. I doubt 
they're even sending many demos to smaller cities, let alone rural areas.

The Prius seems to sell itself.

-Adam


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Re: Flickr camera stats

[Adam Maas]

EXIF is a couple of KB added. Not enough for it to matter.

-Adam


Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> But you can post that info in the message, as many of us do.  EXIF info
> just makes the file larger.
> 
> Oh well, different strokes 
> 
> Shel
> 
> 
> 
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Christian 
> 
>>> But why do you need it with the pics you post?  I can understand the
> value
>>> for your own needs.
>>>
>> I like to know what ISO, shutter speed, aperture and lenses people use. 
>>   I'm nosy...  Other people might be the same as me and want the info. 
>> Curiosity more than anything.  You don't want it, that's fine.
> 
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Re: AW: AW: Printing Digital Photos

[Adam Maas]

That's certainly the case. Noise is less obtrusive in print.

-Adam


Markus Maurer wrote:
> Hi Adam and Paul
> I see that it depends a lot on the photo but could it be that noise looks
> worse on screen even in a small web sized image than on print?
> greetings
> Markus
> 
> -Ursprungliche Nachricht-
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> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 23. November 2006 21:26
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> Betreff: Re: AW: Printing Digital Photos
> 
> 
> With the right shot, even 3200 is quite usable. I've got a very nice 16x20
> on the wall, shot with the D at 3200. No NR or anything.
> 
> -Adam
> 
> 
> 
> Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> I'd definitely be happy with a print from a noisy ISO 1600 shot. I've
>> printed quite a few. To me, it's quite similar to grain. It looks
>> very nice in Bw. And, yes, I've sold some very noisy stock photos.
>> Art directors are strange animals. Frequently, they look for
>> something other than the usual or ordinary. Sometimes, grain or noise
>> works very well.
>> Paul
>> On Nov 23, 2006, at 12:26 PM, Markus Maurer wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Hi Paul
>>> while I agree that scanning negatives is a pain for me (doing it
>>> now) your
>>> latest high iso photo samples did not convince me noise wise. Could
>>> you sell
>>> such photos or would you be happy with a print from iso 1600? The
>>> SR feature
>>> of the K10D seems to be very useful on the other side as your
>>> latest lovely
>>> photo of grace easily showed.
>>> greetings
>>> Markus
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Ursprungliche Nachricht-
>>> Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Auftrag
>>> von
>>> Paul Stenquist
>>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 23. November 2006 13:59
>>> An: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>> Betreff: Re: Printing Digital Photos
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, it's pretty hard to go back to scanning film once you've been to
>>> the mountain.
>>>
>>> On Nov 23, 2006, at 1:29 AM, Doug Franklin wrote:
>>>
>>>
 Howdy, folks,

 Well, today, I had my first real experience printing digital photos
 captured on digital.  I'm using the same Epson Stylus Photo 820 that
 I've been using the last several years, and I'm still on Photoshop 7.
 My system is well enough color-calibrated that I don't think twice
 about
 whether the print will match what I saw on screen.  That's largely
 luck
 or something, but that's another story.

 The story is that for irrelevant reasons, I've been called upon to
 generate 8" x 10" prints from some photos I shot with the *ist D.  I
 suddenly realized a few minutes ago that this was the first set of
 prints I'd made from images captured directly to digital.

 In the past, I've done a lot of capturing and printing of digital
 images, but it was always in workflows mediated by film.  Shoot on
 film.
 Scan to digital.  Digital workflow from there to prints.

 I've been scanning the film at 4000 ppi, and spending untold hours of
 angst dealing with "Nyquist noise" ("grain aliasing").  I'm used to
 having to dink with the levels extensively, or resort to curves a lot
 of
 the time, nontrivial amounts of "spotting" for dust and such.  I'm
 used
 to having to apply some Gaussian Blur before the Unsharp Mask will do
 what it ought to do.

 All I can say is "WOW!".  Generating good to excellent prints took
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Re: OT - Prius Fuel Economy (was: Flash voltage for K10D)

[Paul Stenquist]

Full Hybrids like the Toyota Prius, the Ford Escape and the Mercury  
Mariner deliver their best mileage in city driving. That's because  
the gas engine shuts off completely every time yuo stop. Their urban  
warriors. The New York Times reviewed the Mariner last week. I think  
they got something like 37 city from this rather spacious SUV.
Paul
On Nov 23, 2006, at 10:57 PM, William Robb wrote:

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> - Original Message -
> From: "cbwaters"
> Subject: Re: OT - Prius Fuel Economy (was: Flash voltage for K10D)
>
>
>> That's about what we got with the old Xterra...
>> For fun, try pulling a camper like PDML West.  You'll LONG for 16mpg
>> ;)
>
> My wife's X-Trail turns in close to 45mpg when averaging 75mph. This
> would be closer to 36mpg in your gallons.
> Not bad for a small 4wd.
> My Titan gets about 10 to the gallon (8 US) when hauling the home away
> from home, which is a 25' Jay Flight.
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Re: OT - Prius Fuel Economy (was: Flash voltage for K10D)

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
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Subject: Re: OT - Prius Fuel Economy (was: Flash voltage for K10D)


> Full Hybrids like the Toyota Prius, the Ford Escape and the Mercury
> Mariner deliver their best mileage in city driving. That's because
> the gas engine shuts off completely every time yuo stop. Their urban
> warriors. The New York Times reviewed the Mariner last week. I think
> they got something like 37 city from this rather spacious SUV.

No one is really flogging the hybrids around here yet.
Do they have problems when it is REALLY cold outside?

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Re: So do i need to contact Sigma or is it toast with K19D

[Rick Womer]

Be patient.  I haven't ordered a K10D yet, but I feel
reasonably sure they will offer an upgrade for my
flash, if the K100D upgrade doesn't do the job.

Rick

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> 
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> 
> All my Nikon gear seems to flow well. What is THAT
> telling me.:-)
> 
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Re: PESO: Mom

[Paul Stenquist]

Thanks Rick. We had a nice holiday.
Paul
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> Paul,
>
> Apart from the technical aspects (which are very
> impressive), it's a really nice, beautifully lit,
> character-laden shot.
>
> Rick
>
> --- David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Paul
>>
>> GREAT shot. The detail is very sharp and the colour
>> crisp
>>
>> My istD shots at 150% sharpening,never looked like
>> that
>>
>> Great start to the 10D
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> Quoting Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>
>>> Another K10d pic at ISO 800, FA 50/1.4, f2.8 @
>> 1/180th. Window light.
>>> Plus one half stop exposure comp with matrix
>> metering. Even at 100%
>>> the noise is barely detectable here.
>>>
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Calling Paul Stenquist

[William Robb]

Paul, I tried to send you an offlist message.
Comcast is being pissy about my isp for some reason.
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Re: AW: PESO: Outdoor Cafe in Germany, November

[Rick Womer]

Markus,

Yes, we have spent a lot of time in Germany recently. 
The Zurich trip (2004) was for my wife's research.  I
was invited to a symposium in Stuttgart in June 2005,
then my wife (a historian working on 16th-17th century
Germany) got a travel grant to visit some archives
near Munich in June 2006, and then she was invited to
a symposium in Gottingen last month.

It's hard work, but somebody has to do it, right?
(vbg)

Rick

--- Markus Maurer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Rick
> you seem to be traveling a lot in Europe and Germany
> nowadays?
> (I remember some photos of Zurichs Buerklipaltz and
> Lindenhof from you).
> Isn't Gottingen a university city?  "Maisels Weisse"
> sounds like a german
> beer brand, must be a lovely place in summer.
> greetings
> Markus
> 
> -Ursprungliche Nachricht-
> Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Auftrag von
> Rick Womer
> Gesendet: Freitag, 24. November 2006 02:41
> An: pdml@pdml.net
> Betreff: PESO: Outdoor Cafe in Germany, November
> 
> 
> It was a cold but clear November day in Gottingen.
> Not much demand for outdoor tables! (This could have
> been in the "abandoned" PUG, had I taken it in
> time!)
> 
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5246069
> 
> ist D, DA 16-45, f/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/250, ISO 800; RAW file
> converted and tweaked in ACR and PE4.
> 
> Comments appreciated.
> 
> Rick
> 
> http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW
> 
> 
> 
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Re: K10D & Photoshop CS2

[Mark Cassino]

Mark Roberts wrote:
  >
> I could shoot PEF with a K10D and then go through the batch conversion 
> process to create compressed DNG files.
> 
> Or I could shoot uncompressed DNG with the K10D... and then go through 
> the batch conversion process to create compressed DNG files.
> 
> Either way involves the batch conversion process, which can be time 
> consuming. If the K10D shot *compressed* DNG then I'd be able to skip 
> the entire batch process. This is what I was hoping for.

I think I understand - you want to archive your files in compressed DNG 
format, and having compressed DNG's would be an obvious advantage WRT 
images per gigabyte of SD card storage space.

I'll confess to being a bit of a caveman in that I never heard of DNG 
till today. One thing that has always worried me is archiving files in a 
proprietary format - like PEF - that may not be accessible in the future 
if software support for them stops. I assume that in the future DNG will 
be a more widely accessible standard than proprietary RAW standards like 
PEF (and not to pick on Pentax - like propriety RAW standards for other 
brands as well.)

I've been betting on TIFF as a durable standard and take a chaotic 
approach to archiving, archiving TIFF and PEF and re-archiving my actual 
print TIFFs images each time I pull them out and re-use them for a new 
project.

It's not efficient for storage space and its not orderly for 
organization, but I figure that at the end of the day I have more copies 
of my most used images and therefore a greater likelihood of them 
surviving the occasional bad media, and the greater likelihood of me 
finding a copy of them when I need them.

When I switched from CD's to DVD's for archiving, this strategy also 
resulted in virtually all of my significant images being moved from one 
format to the other in a few months.

I may look into adding DNG images into the mix - I have a separate PC 
that is dedicated to scanning and burning DVD's and other scut work, so 
time is not a problem. I do spend more on DVD's (and future storage 
media) but since I'm deliberately using redundancy and inefficiency as 
the backbone of my archiving system, I can't complain about that.

I'm just happy that I'll be able to pull the K10D RAW files into 
Photoshop and use the RAW converter.

Later -

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Re: Pentax 1.8 85mm

[Paul Stenquist]

On Nov 23, 2006, at 10:35 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

>
>
> Paul, stop encouraging this line of commentary.
>

HAR!!!
Shel, you do have a sense of humor.
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AW: PESO: Thanksgiving

[Markus Maurer]

I see that some of you really enjoy cooking and experimenting with receipts
:-)
Was food still lifes ever a PUG theme, I would like to see some photos.
I remember some excellent shots of drinks from Paul but not a lot otherwise.
greetings
Markus


-Ursprungliche Nachricht-
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This bird was only 10 or 12 pounds. There were only four of us for
dinner, so we had enough for all of us, plus plenty of leftovers.

We have made the stuffing outside the bird for the last few years. My
mother made the stuffing and brought it over. This year we tried
something new - put strips of bacon across the top of the turkey,
stuffed the body cavity with fresh herbs and put the bird insde a
basting bag. It was delicious.

Amita

On 11/23/06, Markus Maurer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Incredible beast (not the cat of course), how many people does it take to
> eat such a big turkey?
> I never had turkey but it is my understanding the the stuffing inside is
the
> best part of it?
> greetings
> Markus
>
>
> -Ursprungliche Nachricht-
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> Amita Guha
> Gesendet: Freitag, 24. November 2006 02:04
> An: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Betreff: PESO: Thanksgiving
>
>
> I just had to share this one of my cat looking on as my husband carves
> the turkey:
> http://sunny16.smugmug.com/gallery/478517/1/112390705
>
> Nikon D200, 18-200mm VR, SB-800 flash, ISO 400, 1/60 @ f8.
>
> Hope all our US-American friends are having a good holiday!
>
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Re: PESO: Mom

[Rick Womer]

Paul,

Apart from the technical aspects (which are very
impressive), it's a really nice, beautifully lit,
character-laden shot.  

Rick

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> Paul
> 
> GREAT shot. The detail is very sharp and the colour
> crisp
> 
> My istD shots at 150% sharpening,never looked like
> that
> 
> Great start to the 10D
> 
> Dave
> 
> Quoting Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> > Another K10d pic at ISO 800, FA 50/1.4, f2.8 @
> 1/180th. Window light.
> > Plus one half stop exposure comp with matrix
> metering. Even at 100%
> > the noise is barely detectable here.
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AW: AW: PESO: Thanksgiving

[Markus Maurer]

Despite being a vegetarian, your receipt sounds delicious and I enjoy
cooking alot too.
Any food stills beside your excellent drink shots to show Paul?
greetings
Markus

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You're right, the stuffing is the best part. My stuffing is a mixture
of bread, cornbread, wild mushrooms, pork sausage, onions, celerys,
cherries, white wine, butter, chicken stock and herbs. It cooks
inside the turkey, and I cook some extra in a casserole pan. Very
good. I've been working on the recipe for 35 years. I've also studied
the cooking of the bird. Last year Gourmet magazine tested about
twenty different turkey cooking methods. To their surprise -- and the
surprise  of everyone else -- the winning method was one where you do
nothing. You jsut put the turkey in the oven, you don't baste it, you
don't tnet it, you just blast it at 450 degrees for about two hours.
(That's for an 18 pound bird) I tried it this year, it works.
Amazing. Best turkey I ever had. I did brine it in the garage for
three or four days, but the high temp blasting is definitely a
breakthrough in turkey cooking science. And in the US, it is a
science. Kill those big birds and cook them!! :-))
Paul
On Nov 23, 2006, at 10:09 PM, Markus Maurer wrote:

> Incredible beast (not the cat of course), how many people does it
> take to
> eat such a big turkey?
> I never had turkey but it is my understanding the the stuffing
> inside is the
> best part of it?
> greetings
> Markus
>
>
> -Ursprungliche Nachricht-
> Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Auftrag
> von
> Amita Guha
> Gesendet: Freitag, 24. November 2006 02:04
> An: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Betreff: PESO: Thanksgiving
>
>
> I just had to share this one of my cat looking on as my husband carves
> the turkey:
> http://sunny16.smugmug.com/gallery/478517/1/112390705
>
> Nikon D200, 18-200mm VR, SB-800 flash, ISO 400, 1/60 @ f8.
>
> Hope all our US-American friends are having a good holiday!
>
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Re: AW: AW: PESO: Thanksgiving

[Paul Stenquist]

I've been meaning to shoot some more food pics. In fact, my stock  
house requested them, but it's hard to find time. I did shoot some  
bruschetta pics, and I've sold one on alwaysstock.com. My turkey was  
ugly, but very delicious. You can cook for appearance or for taste.  
Their frequently not the same. I shot a television commercial for  
Dodge with porterhouse steaks. The ones we used for the shoot were  
inedible. Fortunately, we had some backups that were more than fit  
for consumption.
Paul
On Nov 23, 2006, at 11:13 PM, Markus Maurer wrote:

> Despite being a vegetarian, your receipt sounds delicious and I enjoy
> cooking alot too.
> Any food stills beside your excellent drink shots to show Paul?
> greetings
> Markus
>
> -Ursprungliche Nachricht-
> Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Auftrag  
> von
> Paul Stenquist
> Gesendet: Freitag, 24. November 2006 04:33
> An: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
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>
>
> You're right, the stuffing is the best part. My stuffing is a mixture
> of bread, cornbread, wild mushrooms, pork sausage, onions, celerys,
> cherries, white wine, butter, chicken stock and herbs. It cooks
> inside the turkey, and I cook some extra in a casserole pan. Very
> good. I've been working on the recipe for 35 years. I've also studied
> the cooking of the bird. Last year Gourmet magazine tested about
> twenty different turkey cooking methods. To their surprise -- and the
> surprise  of everyone else -- the winning method was one where you do
> nothing. You jsut put the turkey in the oven, you don't baste it, you
> don't tnet it, you just blast it at 450 degrees for about two hours.
> (That's for an 18 pound bird) I tried it this year, it works.
> Amazing. Best turkey I ever had. I did brine it in the garage for
> three or four days, but the high temp blasting is definitely a
> breakthrough in turkey cooking science. And in the US, it is a
> science. Kill those big birds and cook them!! :-))
> Paul
> On Nov 23, 2006, at 10:09 PM, Markus Maurer wrote:
>
>> Incredible beast (not the cat of course), how many people does it
>> take to
>> eat such a big turkey?
>> I never had turkey but it is my understanding the the stuffing
>> inside is the
>> best part of it?
>> greetings
>> Markus
>>
>>
>> -Ursprungliche Nachricht-
>> Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Auftrag
>> von
>> Amita Guha
>> Gesendet: Freitag, 24. November 2006 02:04
>> An: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Betreff: PESO: Thanksgiving
>>
>>
>> I just had to share this one of my cat looking on as my husband  
>> carves
>> the turkey:
>> http://sunny16.smugmug.com/gallery/478517/1/112390705
>>
>> Nikon D200, 18-200mm VR, SB-800 flash, ISO 400, 1/60 @ f8.
>>
>> Hope all our US-American friends are having a good holiday!
>>
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Re: Reservations about DA 16-45

[Mat Maessen]

On 11/23/06, Markus Maurer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> makes me wonder what Pentax M or A or third party zoom gives the best
> results on a digital body?

I've gotten very good results from my A35-105/3.5. It's a fairly large
and heavy lens though, and it flares pretty badly if you get the sun
on the front element. I should look for a hood for it that's better on
digital. Not that the original rubber hood was much use anyway.

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Re: PDML and Thunderbird

[David Savage]

At 12:06 PM 24/11/2006, Mat Maessen wrote:
>On 11/23/06, Mark Cassino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Just out of curiosity - does gmail allow sorting by
> > Subject?  That is the primary advantage I see to using
> > Thunderbird.
>
>The gmail paradigm is a bit different. There isn't a concept of
>"folders" like in Thunderbird and most other email clients. You can
>set up a filter that will apply a "label" to a message if it matches
>the filter. And then, you can display only messages that have that
>particular label. I have a filter set up to apply the label "Pentax"
>to all of the PDML messages coming in. And when I have time to read
>PDML, I just have to show all messages with the "Pentax" label, and I
>can read them.
>
>The other thing I like about gmail is that it groups all messages in a
>particular thread together, which makes it MUCH easier for me to read
>and follow a discussion. There is a threaded view in Thunderbird
>that'll sort messages similarly, but it looks a bit different.

Cotty, are you interested yet?



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Re: Pentax 1.8 85mm

[David Savage]

At 11:48 AM 24/11/2006, William Robb wrote:
>- Original Message -
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>Subject: Re: Pentax 1.8 85mm
>
> > Once more into the breach 
> >
> > Paul, stop encouraging this line of commentary.
>
>
>Discussion.
>Fuckface.
>End of discussion.
>
>William Robb

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Re: PESO: Outdoor Cafe in Germany, November

[Rick Womer]

Bruce,

I took 6 shots of this, from various angles.  I rather
like the wide-angle effect, actually. Also, the
distances were small enough that there wasn't room for
a longer lens.

I may post a couple of the other shots, just for
comparison's sake, but they all have a wide-angle
effect.

Rick

--- Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Yes, this would have been good in the Abandoned
> gallery.  There is
> something in it that bothers me.  It could be the
> perspective of the
> closest table seems so different than most of the
> others - almost like
> shooting down on it, but the others seem more of a
> cross shot.  I
> suspect that it is just the wide angle affecting it,
> but it still
> doesn't make me feel different.
> 
> I'm curious if you took many shots of this.  It
> seems like it could be
> quite interesting.
> 
> -- 
> Bruce
> 
> 
> Thursday, November 23, 2006, 5:41:06 PM, you wrote:
> 
> RW> It was a cold but clear November day in
> Gottingen. 
> RW> Not much demand for outdoor tables! (This could
> have
> RW> been in the "abandoned" PUG, had I taken it in
> time!)
> 
> RW>
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5246069
> 
> RW> ist D, DA 16-45, f/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/250, ISO 800; RAW file
> RW> converted and tweaked in ACR and PE4.
> 
> RW> Comments appreciated.
> 
> RW> Rick
> 
> RW> http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW
> 
> 
>  
> RW>
>

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Re: PDML and Thunderbird

[Mat Maessen]

On 11/23/06, Mark Cassino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just out of curiosity - does gmail allow sorting by
> Subject?  That is the primary advantage I see to using
> Thunderbird.

The gmail paradigm is a bit different. There isn't a concept of
"folders" like in Thunderbird and most other email clients. You can
set up a filter that will apply a "label" to a message if it matches
the filter. And then, you can display only messages that have that
particular label. I have a filter set up to apply the label "Pentax"
to all of the PDML messages coming in. And when I have time to read
PDML, I just have to show all messages with the "Pentax" label, and I
can read them.

The other thing I like about gmail is that it groups all messages in a
particular thread together, which makes it MUCH easier for me to read
and follow a discussion. There is a threaded view in Thunderbird
that'll sort messages similarly, but it looks a bit different.

> Thanks - you probably pointed me to the solution.

Glad to help. :-)

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Re: Elements 5.0 and K10D

[Jack Davis]

Appreciate your help!

Jack
--- Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> No, you'll have ot check Adobe's site to see if it's the latest
> version 
> (Which currently is 3.6)
> 
> -Adam
> 
> 
> Jack Davis wrote:
> > And when it does, it will be obvious that it is or is not the
> latest
> > version?
> > 
> > Jack
> > --- Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> >> Bringing up Preferences (From the little round button with the
> Arrow 
> >> next to the drop-down menu in the Camera RAW Window) will tell you
> >> the 
> >> version.
> >>
> >> -Adam
> >>
> >> Jack Davis wrote:
> >>> Adam, when you get a moment, please tell me how I would know if
> I'm
> >>> running the latest ACR version of E5.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> Jack
> >>> --- Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>
>  Yes it will. You'll have to wait for K10D PEF support.
> 
>  Note that Elements 5 and CS2 use the same plugin for RAW
> support,
> >> so 
>  compatibility is the same (as long as you're running the latest
> >> ACR 
>  version, at least for formats other than DNG).
> 
>  _Adam
> 
> 
>  Jack Davis wrote:
> > Now back to my world. Will Elements 5 support K10D DNG RAW? I
> >> take
>  it
> > that you are saying "yes" in a techese. ;-)
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Jack
> > --- Thibouille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> Well the GX10 with v0.2 firmware from Photokina produced DNG
> >> which
> >> were readiliy readable with Lightroom beta. SO yes, DNG should
> >> be
> >> readable, at least b Adobe products.
> >>
> >> 2006/11/23, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >>> Have any of the few who have received their K10D, opened RAW
> in
> >>> Elements 5?
> >>>
> >>> Jack
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
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Re: OT - Prius Fuel Economy (was: Flash voltage for K10D)

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "cbwaters"
Subject: Re: OT - Prius Fuel Economy (was: Flash voltage for K10D)


> That's about what we got with the old Xterra...
> For fun, try pulling a camper like PDML West.  You'll LONG for 16mpg 
> ;)

My wife's X-Trail turns in close to 45mpg when averaging 75mph. This 
would be closer to 36mpg in your gallons.
Not bad for a small 4wd.
My Titan gets about 10 to the gallon (8 US) when hauling the home away 
from home, which is a 25' Jay Flight.

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Re: AW: Printing Digital Photos

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi"
Subject: Re: AW: Printing Digital Photos


> On Nov 23, 2006, at 5:18 PM, William Robb wrote:
>
>>> A photo's emotional, expressive content outweighs any technical
>>> notions of noise or grain. It all depends on the particulars of a
>>> specific photo.
>>
>> There are a few genres that this doesn't hold true for.
>> As much as I am looking forward to the K10, I harbour no expectations
>> that it will provide sufficient image quality to replace my view
>> camera.
>
> Don't you agree that this issue is included in the statement "it all
> depends on the particulars of a specific photo"? Highly detailed,
> super fine grain work with a view camera is an aesthetic that
> currently has no analogue in digital capture.

I agree with the second sentence, but the first is a blanket statement 
that doesn't hold true all the time.
It is, however, better to have a less than perfect picture of a sharp 
concept than a perfect picture of a fuzzy concept.

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Re: Pentax 1.8 85mm

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Shel Belinkoff"
Subject: Re: Pentax 1.8 85mm


> Once more into the breach  
> 
> Paul, stop encouraging this line of commentary.


Discussion.
Fuckface.
End of discussion.

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Re: PDML and Thunderbird

[Mark Cassino]

--- Mat Maessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 
 Also,
> double-check the source address that thunderbird is
> using for you. If
> it is not the same as the address you subscribed to
> the list, you'll
> have problems.

That is probably the problem - I'll try reconfiguring
my PDML settings to go directly to the ISP mail
address. As it is set now, the messages hit my website
email address and then bounce to my ISP.

> I was reading PDML w/ thunderbird before I got my
> gmail account. I
> find it much easier to manage with gmail, but that's
> a discussion for
> a different thread. :-)

Just out of curiosity - does gmail allow sorting by
Subject?  That is the primary advantage I see to using
Thunderbird.

Thanks - you probably pointed me to the solution.

- MCC

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Re: PESO: Thanksgiving

[Amita Guha]

This bird was only 10 or 12 pounds. There were only four of us for
dinner, so we had enough for all of us, plus plenty of leftovers.

We have made the stuffing outside the bird for the last few years. My
mother made the stuffing and brought it over. This year we tried
something new - put strips of bacon across the top of the turkey,
stuffed the body cavity with fresh herbs and put the bird insde a
basting bag. It was delicious.

Amita

On 11/23/06, Markus Maurer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Incredible beast (not the cat of course), how many people does it take to
> eat such a big turkey?
> I never had turkey but it is my understanding the the stuffing inside is the
> best part of it?
> greetings
> Markus
>
>
> -Ursprungliche Nachricht-
> Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Auftrag von
> Amita Guha
> Gesendet: Freitag, 24. November 2006 02:04
> An: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Betreff: PESO: Thanksgiving
>
>
> I just had to share this one of my cat looking on as my husband carves
> the turkey:
> http://sunny16.smugmug.com/gallery/478517/1/112390705
>
> Nikon D200, 18-200mm VR, SB-800 flash, ISO 400, 1/60 @ f8.
>
> Hope all our US-American friends are having a good holiday!
>
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Re: Pentax 1.8 85mm

[Paul Stenquist]

I wouldn't pay a nickel more for it if I had a choice. Apparently  
Pentax agrees. Your opinion is irrelevant. You don't buy new cameras  
or new lenses. You've never tried using a K or M lens on a Pentax  
digital. You're nothing but a bag of hot air. You're merely a  
loudmouth sideline player. You don't count. You're a zero. What part  
of this don't you understand?
Paul
(Filling in for Bill since it's a holiday down here and a working day  
up there)
On Nov 23, 2006, at 10:31 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:

> A "HAR!" does not answer the question. Would you
> pay $50 more for full K/M support on a top line
> Pentax DSLR or not?   I  W O U L D !   If I only had ONE
> really good K/M lens it would be well worth it to me.
>
> JCO
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On  
> Behalf Of
> Paul Stenquist
> Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 10:20 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: Pentax 1.8 85mm
>
>
> HAR!
> On Nov 23, 2006, at 9:55 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
>
>> Put it the way it is, if you could buy a high end DSLR body for
>> only an
>> extra $50
>> that would fully support this and the many
>> other fine K/M lenses you wouldnt? I certainly
>> would, its a no brainer. Its not a matter that you can work
>> around the lack of full support, its a matter
>> if you would pay the $50 bucks to get it or not...
>> It's dumb to even not have it for ONE $300 K/M lens,
>> let lone all the fine K/M lenses one may use.
>> This is a cost vs benefit issue, not whether you
>> can get a picture with the lenses at all
>> jco
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf Of
>> Paul Stenquist
>> Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 9:20 PM
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: Re: Pentax 1.8 85mm
>>
>>
>> HAR!
>> I use it all the time on my digital Pentax cameras. No problem. An
>> *istD/K85/1.8 sample:
>> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2154000
>> Paul
>>
>> On Nov 23, 2006, at 8:58 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
>>
>>> That lens is one of the many good reasons the Pentax
>>> top line DSLRS should be fully supporting K/M lenses.. joco
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>>> Behalf Of
>>> Jens Bladt
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 6:56 PM
>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>> Subject: SV: Pentax 1.8 85mm
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks Paul, Shel and PJ.
>>> I'll se if I can get it for 300 USD.
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Jens Bladt
>>> http://www.jensbladt.dk
>>> +45 56 63 77 11
>>> +45 23 43 85 77
>>> Skype: jensbladt248
>>>
>>> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
>>> Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne
>>> af P.
>>> J. Alling
>>> Sendt: 24. november 2006 00:47
>>> Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>> Emne: Re: Pentax 1.8 85mm
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>> Jens Bladt wrote:
 I was offered to buy this lens locally. A K-mount lens, I
 believe. Is
 it worth buying? Thanks in advance.
 Regards

 Jens


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Re: AW: PESO: Thanksgiving

[David Savage]

Viewing this all I can think is, what the hell is kitty doing on the food 
preparation surface?

Dave

At 11:09 AM 24/11/2006, Amita Guha wrote:
>I just had to share this one of my cat looking on as my husband carves
>the turkey:
>http://sunny16.smugmug.com/gallery/478517/1/112390705
>
>Nikon D200, 18-200mm VR, SB-800 flash, ISO 400, 1/60 @ f8.
>
>Hope all our US-American friends are having a good holiday!
>
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RE: Pentax 1.8 85mm

[jkmess]

I don't care to argue at all, you're a broken record.

Quoting "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> $5 part, $50 retail price increase.
> If they can sell you IS for $100 retail
> price increase, its pretty safe to
> say the simple aperture cam sensor
> wouldnt cost the customer more
> than $50. Care to argue that one?
> jco
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 10:06 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: RE: Pentax 1.8 85mm
> 
> 
> So the $5 part is now a $50 part?
> 
> Do you have any other pet subjects you'd like to rant about ad
> nauseum?
> 
> Quoting "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> > Put it the way it is, if you could buy a high end DSLR body for
> only 
> > an extra $50
> > that would fully support this and the many
> > other fine K/M lenses you wouldnt? I certainly
> > would, its a no brainer. Its not a matter that you can work 
> > around the lack of full support, its a matter
> > if you would pay the $50 bucks to get it or not...
> > It's dumb to even not have it for ONE $300 K/M lens,
> > let lone all the fine K/M lenses one may use.
> > This is a cost vs benefit issue, not whether you
> > can get a picture with the lenses at all
> > jco
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf 
> > Of Paul Stenquist
> > Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 9:20 PM
> > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> > Subject: Re: Pentax 1.8 85mm
> > 
> > 
> > HAR!
> > I use it all the time on my digital Pentax cameras. No problem. An
> 
> > *istD/K85/1.8 sample: 
> > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2154000
> > Paul
> > 
> > On Nov 23, 2006, at 8:58 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
> > 
> > > That lens is one of the many good reasons the Pentax
> > > top line DSLRS should be fully supporting K/M lenses.. joco
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf
> 
> > > Of Jens Bladt
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 6:56 PM
> > > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> > > Subject: SV: Pentax 1.8 85mm
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks Paul, Shel and PJ.
> > > I'll se if I can get it for 300 USD.
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Jens Bladt
> > > http://www.jensbladt.dk
> > > +45 56 63 77 11
> > > +45 23 43 85 77
> > > Skype: jensbladt248
> > >
> > > -Oprindelig meddelelse-
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> vegne
> > 
> > > af P.
> > > J. Alling
> > > Sendt: 24. november 2006 00:47
> > > Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> > > Emne: Re: Pentax 1.8 85mm
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes.
> > >
> > > Jens Bladt wrote:
> > >> I was offered to buy this lens locally. A K-mount lens, I
> believe.
> > Is
> > >> it worth buying? Thanks in advance.
> > >> Regards
> > >>
> > >> Jens
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
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RE: Pentax 1.8 85mm

[J. C. O'Connell]

A "HAR!" does not answer the question. Would you
pay $50 more for full K/M support on a top line
Pentax DSLR or not?   I  W O U L D !   If I only had ONE
really good K/M lens it would be well worth it to me.

JCO

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Paul Stenquist
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 10:20 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: Pentax 1.8 85mm


HAR!
On Nov 23, 2006, at 9:55 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:

> Put it the way it is, if you could buy a high end DSLR body for
> only an
> extra $50
> that would fully support this and the many
> other fine K/M lenses you wouldnt? I certainly
> would, its a no brainer. Its not a matter that you can work
> around the lack of full support, its a matter
> if you would pay the $50 bucks to get it or not...
> It's dumb to even not have it for ONE $300 K/M lens,
> let lone all the fine K/M lenses one may use.
> This is a cost vs benefit issue, not whether you
> can get a picture with the lenses at all
> jco
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of
> Paul Stenquist
> Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 9:20 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: Pentax 1.8 85mm
>
>
> HAR!
> I use it all the time on my digital Pentax cameras. No problem. An
> *istD/K85/1.8 sample:
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2154000
> Paul
>
> On Nov 23, 2006, at 8:58 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
>
>> That lens is one of the many good reasons the Pentax
>> top line DSLRS should be fully supporting K/M lenses.. joco
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf Of
>> Jens Bladt
>> Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 6:56 PM
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: SV: Pentax 1.8 85mm
>>
>>
>> Thanks Paul, Shel and PJ.
>> I'll se if I can get it for 300 USD.
>> Regards
>>
>> Jens Bladt
>> http://www.jensbladt.dk
>> +45 56 63 77 11
>> +45 23 43 85 77
>> Skype: jensbladt248
>>
>> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
>> Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne
>> af P.
>> J. Alling
>> Sendt: 24. november 2006 00:47
>> Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Emne: Re: Pentax 1.8 85mm
>>
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>> Jens Bladt wrote:
>>> I was offered to buy this lens locally. A K-mount lens, I  
>>> believe. Is
>>> it worth buying? Thanks in advance.
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Jens
>>>
>>>
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Re: Pentax 1.8 85mm

[Paul Stenquist]

But you're forgetting that no one cares. The K 10D sold out in one  
day at B&H. Retailers I've talked to say the demand is amazing. Only  
JCO cares about the aperture simulator piece of shot. GET OVER IT!!  
You're an anachronism. Only you care. Shut up about it.
Paul
On Nov 23, 2006, at 10:26 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:

> $5 part, $50 retail price increase.
> If they can sell you IS for $100 retail
> price increase, its pretty safe to
> say the simple aperture cam sensor
> wouldnt cost the customer more
> than $50. Care to argue that one?
> jco
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On  
> Behalf Of
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 10:06 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: RE: Pentax 1.8 85mm
>
>
> So the $5 part is now a $50 part?
>
> Do you have any other pet subjects you'd like to rant about ad  
> nauseum?
>
> Quoting "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>> Put it the way it is, if you could buy a high end DSLR body for only
>> an extra $50
>> that would fully support this and the many
>> other fine K/M lenses you wouldnt? I certainly
>> would, its a no brainer. Its not a matter that you can work
>> around the lack of full support, its a matter
>> if you would pay the $50 bucks to get it or not...
>> It's dumb to even not have it for ONE $300 K/M lens,
>> let lone all the fine K/M lenses one may use.
>> This is a cost vs benefit issue, not whether you
>> can get a picture with the lenses at all
>> jco
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
>> Of Paul Stenquist
>> Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 9:20 PM
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: Re: Pentax 1.8 85mm
>>
>>
>> HAR!
>> I use it all the time on my digital Pentax cameras. No problem. An
>> *istD/K85/1.8 sample:
>> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2154000
>> Paul
>>
>> On Nov 23, 2006, at 8:58 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
>>
>>> That lens is one of the many good reasons the Pentax
>>> top line DSLRS should be fully supporting K/M lenses.. joco
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
>
>>> Of Jens Bladt
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 6:56 PM
>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>> Subject: SV: Pentax 1.8 85mm
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks Paul, Shel and PJ.
>>> I'll se if I can get it for 300 USD.
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Jens Bladt
>>> http://www.jensbladt.dk
>>> +45 56 63 77 11
>>> +45 23 43 85 77
>>> Skype: jensbladt248
>>>
>>> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
>>> Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne
>>
>>> af P.
>>> J. Alling
>>> Sendt: 24. november 2006 00:47
>>> Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>> Emne: Re: Pentax 1.8 85mm
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>> Jens Bladt wrote:
 I was offered to buy this lens locally. A K-mount lens, I believe.
>> Is
 it worth buying? Thanks in advance.
 Regards

 Jens


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Re: Pentax 1.8 85mm

[cbwaters]

I would not.

- Original Message - 
From: "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'" 
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 10:31 PM
Subject: RE: Pentax 1.8 85mm


>A "HAR!" does not answer the question. Would you
> pay $50 more for full K/M support on a top line
> Pentax DSLR or not?   I  W O U L D !   If I only had ONE
> really good K/M lens it would be well worth it to me.
>
> JCO
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Paul Stenquist
> Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 10:20 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: Pentax 1.8 85mm
>
>
> HAR!
> On Nov 23, 2006, at 9:55 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
>
>> Put it the way it is, if you could buy a high end DSLR body for
>> only an
>> extra $50
>> that would fully support this and the many
>> other fine K/M lenses you wouldnt? I certainly
>> would, its a no brainer. Its not a matter that you can work
>> around the lack of full support, its a matter
>> if you would pay the $50 bucks to get it or not...
>> It's dumb to even not have it for ONE $300 K/M lens,
>> let lone all the fine K/M lenses one may use.
>> This is a cost vs benefit issue, not whether you
>> can get a picture with the lenses at all
>> jco
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf Of
>> Paul Stenquist
>> Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 9:20 PM
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: Re: Pentax 1.8 85mm
>>
>>
>> HAR!
>> I use it all the time on my digital Pentax cameras. No problem. An
>> *istD/K85/1.8 sample:
>> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2154000
>> Paul
>>
>> On Nov 23, 2006, at 8:58 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
>>
>>> That lens is one of the many good reasons the Pentax
>>> top line DSLRS should be fully supporting K/M lenses.. joco
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>>> Behalf Of
>>> Jens Bladt
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 6:56 PM
>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>> Subject: SV: Pentax 1.8 85mm
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks Paul, Shel and PJ.
>>> I'll se if I can get it for 300 USD.
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Jens Bladt
>>> http://www.jensbladt.dk
>>> +45 56 63 77 11
>>> +45 23 43 85 77
>>> Skype: jensbladt248
>>>
>>> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
>>> Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne
>>> af P.
>>> J. Alling
>>> Sendt: 24. november 2006 00:47
>>> Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>> Emne: Re: Pentax 1.8 85mm
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>> Jens Bladt wrote:
 I was offered to buy this lens locally. A K-mount lens, I
 believe. Is
 it worth buying? Thanks in advance.
 Regards

 Jens


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Re: Flickr camera stats

[Shel Belinkoff]

But you can post that info in the message, as many of us do.  EXIF info
just makes the file larger.

Oh well, different strokes 

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Christian 

> > But why do you need it with the pics you post?  I can understand the
value
> > for your own needs.
> > 
>
> I like to know what ISO, shutter speed, aperture and lenses people use. 
>   I'm nosy...  Other people might be the same as me and want the info. 
> Curiosity more than anything.  You don't want it, that's fine.



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Re: Pentax 1.8 85mm

[Shel Belinkoff]

Once more into the breach  

Paul, stop encouraging this line of commentary.

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Paul Stenquist

> HAR!
> I use it all the time on my digital Pentax cameras. No problem.
> An *istD/K85/1.8 sample:
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2154000
> Paul
>
> On Nov 23, 2006, at 8:58 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
>
> > That lens is one of the many good reasons the Pentax
> > top line DSLRS should be fully supporting K/M lenses..



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Re: AW: PESO: Thanksgiving

[Paul Stenquist]

You're right, the stuffing is the best part. My stuffing is a mixture  
of bread, cornbread, wild mushrooms, pork sausage, onions, celerys,  
cherries, white wine, butter, chicken stock and herbs. It cooks  
inside the turkey, and I cook some extra in a casserole pan. Very  
good. I've been working on the recipe for 35 years. I've also studied  
the cooking of the bird. Last year Gourmet magazine tested about  
twenty different turkey cooking methods. To their surprise -- and the  
surprise  of everyone else -- the winning method was one where you do  
nothing. You jsut put the turkey in the oven, you don't baste it, you  
don't tnet it, you just blast it at 450 degrees for about two hours.  
(That's for an 18 pound bird) I tried it this year, it works.  
Amazing. Best turkey I ever had. I did brine it in the garage for  
three or four days, but the high temp blasting is definitely a  
breakthrough in turkey cooking science. And in the US, it is a  
science. Kill those big birds and cook them!! :-))
Paul
On Nov 23, 2006, at 10:09 PM, Markus Maurer wrote:

> Incredible beast (not the cat of course), how many people does it  
> take to
> eat such a big turkey?
> I never had turkey but it is my understanding the the stuffing  
> inside is the
> best part of it?
> greetings
> Markus
>
>
> -Ursprungliche Nachricht-
> Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Auftrag  
> von
> Amita Guha
> Gesendet: Freitag, 24. November 2006 02:04
> An: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Betreff: PESO: Thanksgiving
>
>
> I just had to share this one of my cat looking on as my husband carves
> the turkey:
> http://sunny16.smugmug.com/gallery/478517/1/112390705
>
> Nikon D200, 18-200mm VR, SB-800 flash, ISO 400, 1/60 @ f8.
>
> Hope all our US-American friends are having a good holiday!
>
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Re: AW: K10D Sharpening

[Paul Stenquist]

Yes.
Paul
On Nov 23, 2006, at 10:03 PM, Markus Maurer wrote:

> Hi Paul
> is that with the same camera presets?
> greetings
> Markus
>
> -Ursprungliche Nachricht-
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> Betreff: K10D Sharpening
>
>
> I've found that the K10D DNG files require only about half as much
> sharpening as my *istD files. That has to be a good thing. I don't
> know if it's a result of the higher resolution or better in-camera
> control, but I'm pleased.
> Paul
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AW: PESO: Outdoor Cafe in Germany, November

[Markus Maurer]

Hi Rick
you seem to be traveling a lot in Europe and Germany nowadays?
(I remember some photos of Zurichs Buerklipaltz and Lindenhof from you).
Isn't Gottingen a university city?  "Maisels Weisse" sounds like a german
beer brand, must be a lovely place in summer.
greetings
Markus

-Ursprungliche Nachricht-
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Rick Womer
Gesendet: Freitag, 24. November 2006 02:41
An: pdml@pdml.net
Betreff: PESO: Outdoor Cafe in Germany, November


It was a cold but clear November day in Gottingen.
Not much demand for outdoor tables! (This could have
been in the "abandoned" PUG, had I taken it in time!)

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5246069

ist D, DA 16-45, f/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/250, ISO 800; RAW file
converted and tweaked in ACR and PE4.

Comments appreciated.

Rick

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Re: AW: PESO: Mom

[Paul Stenquist]

Thanks Markus.
I considered warming it up, but I kind of like it cold.
Paul
On Nov 23, 2006, at 10:02 PM, Markus Maurer wrote:

> Hi Paul
> this one is very good IMHO.
> Interesting how the blue from the pullover reflects in the glass  
> and parts
> of the face, I first thought the colors are a bit on the cold, blue  
> side.
> greetings
> Markus
>
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> von
> Paul Stenquist
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 23. November 2006 23:28
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> Betreff: PESO: Mom
>
>
> Another K10d pic at ISO 800, FA 50/1.4, f2.8 @ 1/180th. Window light.
> Plus one half stop exposure comp with matrix metering. Even at 100%
> the noise is barely detectable here.
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5245692
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RE: Pentax 1.8 85mm

[J. C. O'Connell]

$5 part, $50 retail price increase.
If they can sell you IS for $100 retail
price increase, its pretty safe to
say the simple aperture cam sensor
wouldnt cost the customer more
than $50. Care to argue that one?
jco

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So the $5 part is now a $50 part?

Do you have any other pet subjects you'd like to rant about ad nauseum?

Quoting "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Put it the way it is, if you could buy a high end DSLR body for only 
> an extra $50
> that would fully support this and the many
> other fine K/M lenses you wouldnt? I certainly
> would, its a no brainer. Its not a matter that you can work 
> around the lack of full support, its a matter
> if you would pay the $50 bucks to get it or not...
> It's dumb to even not have it for ONE $300 K/M lens,
> let lone all the fine K/M lenses one may use.
> This is a cost vs benefit issue, not whether you
> can get a picture with the lenses at all
> jco
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf 
> Of Paul Stenquist
> Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 9:20 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: Pentax 1.8 85mm
> 
> 
> HAR!
> I use it all the time on my digital Pentax cameras. No problem. An 
> *istD/K85/1.8 sample: 
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2154000
> Paul
> 
> On Nov 23, 2006, at 8:58 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
> 
> > That lens is one of the many good reasons the Pentax
> > top line DSLRS should be fully supporting K/M lenses.. joco
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf

> > Of Jens Bladt
> > Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 6:56 PM
> > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> > Subject: SV: Pentax 1.8 85mm
> >
> >
> > Thanks Paul, Shel and PJ.
> > I'll se if I can get it for 300 USD.
> > Regards
> >
> > Jens Bladt
> > http://www.jensbladt.dk
> > +45 56 63 77 11
> > +45 23 43 85 77
> > Skype: jensbladt248
> >
> > -Oprindelig meddelelse-
> > Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne
> 
> > af P.
> > J. Alling
> > Sendt: 24. november 2006 00:47
> > Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> > Emne: Re: Pentax 1.8 85mm
> >
> >
> > Yes.
> >
> > Jens Bladt wrote:
> >> I was offered to buy this lens locally. A K-mount lens, I believe.
> Is
> >> it worth buying? Thanks in advance.
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> Jens
> >>
> >>
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Re: Pentax 1.8 85mm

[Paul Stenquist]

HAR!
On Nov 23, 2006, at 9:55 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:

> Put it the way it is, if you could buy a high end DSLR body for  
> only an
> extra $50
> that would fully support this and the many
> other fine K/M lenses you wouldnt? I certainly
> would, its a no brainer. Its not a matter that you can work
> around the lack of full support, its a matter
> if you would pay the $50 bucks to get it or not...
> It's dumb to even not have it for ONE $300 K/M lens,
> let lone all the fine K/M lenses one may use.
> This is a cost vs benefit issue, not whether you
> can get a picture with the lenses at all
> jco
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On  
> Behalf Of
> Paul Stenquist
> Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 9:20 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: Pentax 1.8 85mm
>
>
> HAR!
> I use it all the time on my digital Pentax cameras. No problem. An
> *istD/K85/1.8 sample:
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2154000
> Paul
>
> On Nov 23, 2006, at 8:58 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
>
>> That lens is one of the many good reasons the Pentax
>> top line DSLRS should be fully supporting K/M lenses.. joco
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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>> Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 6:56 PM
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>> Subject: SV: Pentax 1.8 85mm
>>
>>
>> Thanks Paul, Shel and PJ.
>> I'll se if I can get it for 300 USD.
>> Regards
>>
>> Jens Bladt
>> http://www.jensbladt.dk
>> +45 56 63 77 11
>> +45 23 43 85 77
>> Skype: jensbladt248
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>>
>> Yes.
>>
>> Jens Bladt wrote:
>>> I was offered to buy this lens locally. A K-mount lens, I  
>>> believe. Is
>>> it worth buying? Thanks in advance.
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Jens
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AW: PESO: Thanksgiving

[Markus Maurer]

Incredible beast (not the cat of course), how many people does it take to
eat such a big turkey?
I never had turkey but it is my understanding the the stuffing inside is the
best part of it?
greetings
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I just had to share this one of my cat looking on as my husband carves
the turkey:
http://sunny16.smugmug.com/gallery/478517/1/112390705

Nikon D200, 18-200mm VR, SB-800 flash, ISO 400, 1/60 @ f8.

Hope all our US-American friends are having a good holiday!

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AW: K10D Sharpening

[Markus Maurer]

Hi Paul
is that with the same camera presets?
greetings
Markus

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I've found that the K10D DNG files require only about half as much  
sharpening as my *istD files. That has to be a good thing. I don't  
know if it's a result of the higher resolution or better in-camera  
control, but I'm pleased.
Paul

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Re: K10D & Photoshop CS2

[Digital Image Studio]

On 24/11/06, Patrice LACOUTURE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The questions are then:
>- is there any code space left to integrate a compression engine in
> this flash?
>- how would the DNG compression process impact the performance?

It depends upon the performance of the compressor engine vs the save
to card speed? However I'd still prefer to be fitting more spots per
MB on my cards and portable drive.

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Re: PESO: Outdoor Cafe in Germany, November

[Bruce Dayton]

Yes, this would have been good in the Abandoned gallery.  There is
something in it that bothers me.  It could be the perspective of the
closest table seems so different than most of the others - almost like
shooting down on it, but the others seem more of a cross shot.  I
suspect that it is just the wide angle affecting it, but it still
doesn't make me feel different.

I'm curious if you took many shots of this.  It seems like it could be
quite interesting.

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Thursday, November 23, 2006, 5:41:06 PM, you wrote:

RW> It was a cold but clear November day in Gottingen. 
RW> Not much demand for outdoor tables! (This could have
RW> been in the "abandoned" PUG, had I taken it in time!)

RW> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5246069

RW> ist D, DA 16-45, f/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/250, ISO 800; RAW file
RW> converted and tweaked in ACR and PE4.

RW> Comments appreciated.

RW> Rick

RW> http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW


 
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AW: AW: Printing Digital Photos

[Markus Maurer]

Hi Adam and Paul
I see that it depends a lot on the photo but could it be that noise looks
worse on screen even in a small web sized image than on print?
greetings
Markus

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With the right shot, even 3200 is quite usable. I've got a very nice 16x20
on the wall, shot with the D at 3200. No NR or anything.

-Adam



Paul Stenquist wrote:
> I'd definitely be happy with a print from a noisy ISO 1600 shot. I've
> printed quite a few. To me, it's quite similar to grain. It looks
> very nice in Bw. And, yes, I've sold some very noisy stock photos.
> Art directors are strange animals. Frequently, they look for
> something other than the usual or ordinary. Sometimes, grain or noise
> works very well.
> Paul
> On Nov 23, 2006, at 12:26 PM, Markus Maurer wrote:
>
>
>>Hi Paul
>>while I agree that scanning negatives is a pain for me (doing it
>>now) your
>>latest high iso photo samples did not convince me noise wise. Could
>>you sell
>>such photos or would you be happy with a print from iso 1600? The
>>SR feature
>>of the K10D seems to be very useful on the other side as your
>>latest lovely
>>photo of grace easily showed.
>>greetings
>>Markus
>>
>>
>>
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>>Gesendet: Donnerstag, 23. November 2006 13:59
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>>Betreff: Re: Printing Digital Photos
>>
>>
>>Yeah, it's pretty hard to go back to scanning film once you've been to
>>the mountain.
>>
>>On Nov 23, 2006, at 1:29 AM, Doug Franklin wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Howdy, folks,
>>>
>>>Well, today, I had my first real experience printing digital photos
>>>captured on digital.  I'm using the same Epson Stylus Photo 820 that
>>>I've been using the last several years, and I'm still on Photoshop 7.
>>>My system is well enough color-calibrated that I don't think twice
>>>about
>>>whether the print will match what I saw on screen.  That's largely
>>>luck
>>>or something, but that's another story.
>>>
>>>The story is that for irrelevant reasons, I've been called upon to
>>>generate 8" x 10" prints from some photos I shot with the *ist D.  I
>>>suddenly realized a few minutes ago that this was the first set of
>>>prints I'd made from images captured directly to digital.
>>>
>>>In the past, I've done a lot of capturing and printing of digital
>>>images, but it was always in workflows mediated by film.  Shoot on
>>>film.
>>> Scan to digital.  Digital workflow from there to prints.
>>>
>>>I've been scanning the film at 4000 ppi, and spending untold hours of
>>>angst dealing with "Nyquist noise" ("grain aliasing").  I'm used to
>>>having to dink with the levels extensively, or resort to curves a lot
>>>of
>>>the time, nontrivial amounts of "spotting" for dust and such.  I'm
>>>used
>>>to having to apply some Gaussian Blur before the Unsharp Mask will do
>>>what it ought to do.
>>>
>>>All I can say is "WOW!".  Generating good to excellent prints took
>>>about
>>>90 seconds each ... load in PS, crop, 15 seconds in levels, set image
>>>size for print size, print ... about 0.01 of the time I'm used to
>>>doing
>>>to get a decent print of a film image scanned to digital.  "WOW!"
>>>
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AW: PESO: A little paint covers anything

[Markus Maurer]

that is unbelievable George!
greetings
Markus

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They always say the secret to a good paint job is surface preparation.

Evidently the pros take a few shortcuts.

Bird lovers may want to forgo this one.



Shot (the image, not the bird) with the K10d and the DA21mm lens.

See you later, gs


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RE: Pentax 1.8 85mm

[jkmess]

So the $5 part is now a $50 part?

Do you have any other pet subjects you'd like to rant about ad nauseum?

Quoting "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Put it the way it is, if you could buy a high end DSLR body for only
> an
> extra $50
> that would fully support this and the many
> other fine K/M lenses you wouldnt? I certainly
> would, its a no brainer. Its not a matter that you can work 
> around the lack of full support, its a matter
> if you would pay the $50 bucks to get it or not...
> It's dumb to even not have it for ONE $300 K/M lens,
> let lone all the fine K/M lenses one may use.
> This is a cost vs benefit issue, not whether you
> can get a picture with the lenses at all
> jco
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of
> Paul Stenquist
> Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 9:20 PM
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> Subject: Re: Pentax 1.8 85mm
> 
> 
> HAR!
> I use it all the time on my digital Pentax cameras. No problem. An
> *istD/K85/1.8 sample:
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2154000
> Paul
> 
> On Nov 23, 2006, at 8:58 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
> 
> > That lens is one of the many good reasons the Pentax
> > top line DSLRS should be fully supporting K/M lenses.. joco
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > Behalf Of
> > Jens Bladt
> > Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 6:56 PM
> > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> > Subject: SV: Pentax 1.8 85mm
> >
> >
> > Thanks Paul, Shel and PJ.
> > I'll se if I can get it for 300 USD.
> > Regards
> >
> > Jens Bladt
> > http://www.jensbladt.dk
> > +45 56 63 77 11
> > +45 23 43 85 77
> > Skype: jensbladt248
> >
> > -Oprindelig meddelelse-
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> > Sendt: 24. november 2006 00:47
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> >
> >
> > Yes.
> >
> > Jens Bladt wrote:
> >> I was offered to buy this lens locally. A K-mount lens, I believe.
> Is
> >> it worth buying? Thanks in advance.
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> Jens
> >>
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Re: Elements 5.0 and K10D

[Jack Davis]

And when it does, it will be obvious that it is or is not the latest
version?

Jack
--- Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Bringing up Preferences (From the little round button with the Arrow 
> next to the drop-down menu in the Camera RAW Window) will tell you
> the 
> version.
> 
> -Adam
> 
> Jack Davis wrote:
> > Adam, when you get a moment, please tell me how I would know if I'm
> > running the latest ACR version of E5.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Jack
> > --- Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >> Yes it will. You'll have to wait for K10D PEF support.
> >>
> >> Note that Elements 5 and CS2 use the same plugin for RAW support,
> so 
> >> compatibility is the same (as long as you're running the latest
> ACR 
> >> version, at least for formats other than DNG).
> >>
> >> _Adam
> >>
> >>
> >> Jack Davis wrote:
> >>> Now back to my world. Will Elements 5 support K10D DNG RAW? I
> take
> >> it
> >>> that you are saying "yes" in a techese. ;-)
> >>> Thanks!
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> >>> Jack
> >>> --- Thibouille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>
>  Well the GX10 with v0.2 firmware from Photokina produced DNG
> which
>  were readiliy readable with Lightroom beta. SO yes, DNG should
> be
>  readable, at least b Adobe products.
> 
>  2006/11/23, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Have any of the few who have received their K10D, opened RAW in
> > Elements 5?
> >
> > Jack
> >
> >
> >
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AW: Reservations about DA 16-45

[Markus Maurer]

Hi Henk
makes me wonder what Pentax M or A or third party zoom gives the best
results on a digital body?
Has anybody tested the Pentax A35-70mm F4 or Pentax A 28-135mm F 4  or
M75-150 for example?
greetings
Markus


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I much like my DA 16-45 as an all-purpose lens and I rarely now take my
primes when travelling. Incidently, I also made a couple of pics last
month (in the late afternoon) with the DA 16-45 of the 12 Apostles in
Australia.

http://www.dewindvanvoorne.nl/fotoalbum/Australia/Great%20Ocean%20Road%2
0-%20Victoria/slides/IMGP5652s.html

http://www.dewindvanvoorne.nl/fotoalbum/Australia/Great%20Ocean%20Road%2
0-%20Victoria/slides/IMGP5649s2.html

Henk

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John,

Here's a shot from Australia with the 16-45mm zoom.
I haven't seen much in the way of flare problems.


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Re: Elements 5.0 and K10D

[Adam Maas]

No, you'll have ot check Adobe's site to see if it's the latest version 
(Which currently is 3.6)

-Adam


Jack Davis wrote:
> And when it does, it will be obvious that it is or is not the latest
> version?
> 
> Jack
> --- Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> Bringing up Preferences (From the little round button with the Arrow 
>> next to the drop-down menu in the Camera RAW Window) will tell you
>> the 
>> version.
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>> Jack Davis wrote:
>>> Adam, when you get a moment, please tell me how I would know if I'm
>>> running the latest ACR version of E5.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Jack
>>> --- Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
 Yes it will. You'll have to wait for K10D PEF support.

 Note that Elements 5 and CS2 use the same plugin for RAW support,
>> so 
 compatibility is the same (as long as you're running the latest
>> ACR 
 version, at least for formats other than DNG).

 _Adam


 Jack Davis wrote:
> Now back to my world. Will Elements 5 support K10D DNG RAW? I
>> take
 it
> that you are saying "yes" in a techese. ;-)
> Thanks!
>
> Jack
> --- Thibouille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Well the GX10 with v0.2 firmware from Photokina produced DNG
>> which
>> were readiliy readable with Lightroom beta. SO yes, DNG should
>> be
>> readable, at least b Adobe products.
>>
>> 2006/11/23, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>> Have any of the few who have received their K10D, opened RAW in
>>> Elements 5?
>>>
>>> Jack
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AW: PESO: Mom

[Markus Maurer]

Hi Paul
this one is very good IMHO.
Interesting how the blue from the pullover reflects in the glass and parts
of the face, I first thought the colors are a bit on the cold, blue side.
greetings
Markus

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Another K10d pic at ISO 800, FA 50/1.4, f2.8 @ 1/180th. Window light.
Plus one half stop exposure comp with matrix metering. Even at 100%
the noise is barely detectable here.
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5245692

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AW: K10D tikwa

[Markus Maurer]

Hi Steve
where does that dog name com from, sounds like indian or inuit language for
me ;-)
Nice dog, the photo is a bit soft around the eyes.
greetings
Markus


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so today I played for the first time with my K10D...

an early result shown here... my labrador,  tikwa...


http://www.pbase.com/kididdoc/image/70659257


(with a tamron zoom lens)


happy holiday to all from tikwa and me...


Steve


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RE: Pentax 1.8 85mm

[J. C. O'Connell]

Put it the way it is, if you could buy a high end DSLR body for only an
extra $50
that would fully support this and the many
other fine K/M lenses you wouldnt? I certainly
would, its a no brainer. Its not a matter that you can work 
around the lack of full support, its a matter
if you would pay the $50 bucks to get it or not...
It's dumb to even not have it for ONE $300 K/M lens,
let lone all the fine K/M lenses one may use.
This is a cost vs benefit issue, not whether you
can get a picture with the lenses at all
jco

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HAR!
I use it all the time on my digital Pentax cameras. No problem. An
*istD/K85/1.8 sample:
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2154000
Paul

On Nov 23, 2006, at 8:58 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:

> That lens is one of the many good reasons the Pentax
> top line DSLRS should be fully supporting K/M lenses.. joco
>
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>
> Thanks Paul, Shel and PJ.
> I'll se if I can get it for 300 USD.
> Regards
>
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> http://www.jensbladt.dk
> +45 56 63 77 11
> +45 23 43 85 77
> Skype: jensbladt248
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>
>
> Yes.
>
> Jens Bladt wrote:
>> I was offered to buy this lens locally. A K-mount lens, I believe. Is
>> it worth buying? Thanks in advance.
>> Regards
>>
>> Jens
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Re: Elements 5.0 and K10D

[Bruce Dayton]

I have been playing with the Lightroom beta and using the K10D DNG's
converted from PEF to DNG using the Pentax Photobrowser.  Lightroom is
handling them jut fine.

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Thursday, November 23, 2006, 3:33:54 PM, you wrote:

T> Well the GX10 with v0.2 firmware from Photokina produced DNG which
T> were readiliy readable with Lightroom beta. SO yes, DNG should be
T> readable, at least b Adobe products.

T> 2006/11/23, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> Have any of the few who have received their K10D, opened RAW in
>> Elements 5?
>>
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AW: Pentax 1.8 85mm

[Markus Maurer]

Hi Jens
I have the SMC Takumar M42 1.8 85mm lens and it is one of the best primes I
own in that range and the metal construction is just wonderful to handle. I
don't know about the/a K version.
I use the M100mm Pentax prime often because I seldom carry the Spotmatic F
but usually the ME Super or a Ricoh body, but made some wonderful  photos
with the 85mm and the 35mm M42 SMC Takumars on the Spotmatic F this autumn.
They seem to be quite rare here and I saw the last one go for over $300 on
Ebay.
greetings
Markus


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I was offered to buy this lens locally. A K-mount lens, I believe.
Is it worth buying?
Thanks in advance.
Regards

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Re: PDML and Thunderbird

[Mat Maessen]

On 11/23/06, Mark Cassino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> None of the posts I've tried to make from Thunderbird
> show up on the PDML. The Yahoo account seems to work
> fine.

Check your outgoing SMTP server settings. For most residential ISP's,
you must make sure the mail gets routed through their mail servers,
otherwise it can, and will, get silently dropped along the way. Also,
double-check the source address that thunderbird is using for you. If
it is not the same as the address you subscribed to the list, you'll
have problems.

I was reading PDML w/ thunderbird before I got my gmail account. I
find it much easier to manage with gmail, but that's a discussion for
a different thread. :-)

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Re: K10D & Photoshop CS2

[Mat Maessen]

On 11/23/06, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I could shoot PEF with a K10D and then go through the batch conversion
> process to create compressed DNG files.
>
> Or I could shoot uncompressed DNG with the K10D... and then go through
> the batch conversion process to create compressed DNG files.
>
> Either way involves the batch conversion process, which can be time
> consuming. If the K10D shot *compressed* DNG then I'd be able to skip
> the entire batch process. This is what I was hoping for.

My current workflow uses the Adobe DNG converter to copy the PEF files
off the camera card, and compress them on-the-fly. So I save a copying
step in there. I'm wondering if there's a reason why I should keep the
original PEF files (*istDS2) around. I've been going back later, and
copying them off the card, usually while the computer is doing
something else, like generating PSD files out of Camera Raw.

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Re: Elements 5.0 and K10D

[Adam Maas]

Bringing up Preferences (From the little round button with the Arrow 
next to the drop-down menu in the Camera RAW Window) will tell you the 
version.

-Adam

Jack Davis wrote:
> Adam, when you get a moment, please tell me how I would know if I'm
> running the latest ACR version of E5.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jack
> --- Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> Yes it will. You'll have to wait for K10D PEF support.
>>
>> Note that Elements 5 and CS2 use the same plugin for RAW support, so 
>> compatibility is the same (as long as you're running the latest ACR 
>> version, at least for formats other than DNG).
>>
>> _Adam
>>
>>
>> Jack Davis wrote:
>>> Now back to my world. Will Elements 5 support K10D DNG RAW? I take
>> it
>>> that you are saying "yes" in a techese. ;-)
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Jack
>>> --- Thibouille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
 Well the GX10 with v0.2 firmware from Photokina produced DNG which
 were readiliy readable with Lightroom beta. SO yes, DNG should be
 readable, at least b Adobe products.

 2006/11/23, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Have any of the few who have received their K10D, opened RAW in
> Elements 5?
>
> Jack
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PESO:the secret weapon of the Swiss navy

[Markus Maurer]

Hi Pentaxians

Since some of you seem to believe in the Swiss Navy tale, I can show you
their secret weapon as well.
It's called the whine ships and is located on the Lake of Zurich ;-) You
will never leave them sober.
It's a sample of an advertising email postcard series I design for my friend
Gabriela for her tourist customers.

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5246207&size=lg (220 KB)


greetings
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Re: Elements 5.0 and K10D

[Jack Davis]

Adam, when you get a moment, please tell me how I would know if I'm
running the latest ACR version of E5.

Thanks,

Jack
--- Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Yes it will. You'll have to wait for K10D PEF support.
> 
> Note that Elements 5 and CS2 use the same plugin for RAW support, so 
> compatibility is the same (as long as you're running the latest ACR 
> version, at least for formats other than DNG).
> 
> _Adam
> 
> 
> Jack Davis wrote:
> > Now back to my world. Will Elements 5 support K10D DNG RAW? I take
> it
> > that you are saying "yes" in a techese. ;-)
> > Thanks!
> > 
> > Jack
> > --- Thibouille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> >> Well the GX10 with v0.2 firmware from Photokina produced DNG which
> >> were readiliy readable with Lightroom beta. SO yes, DNG should be
> >> readable, at least b Adobe products.
> >>
> >> 2006/11/23, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >>> Have any of the few who have received their K10D, opened RAW in
> >>> Elements 5?
> >>>
> >>> Jack
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: OT - Prius Fuel Economy (was: Flash voltage for K10D)

[cbwaters]

That's about what we got with the old Xterra...
For fun, try pulling a camper like PDML West.  You'll LONG for 16mpg ;)

CW


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> On 11/23/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On my west to east journey from Sunnyvale, California to Yonkers, New
>> York, I drove 3,165 miles. The Prius has performed flawlessly
>> throughout. It is quiet, powerful enough for good performance in any
>> circumstances I've encountered, handles stably and surely.
>>
>> I have filled the fuel tank 8 times so far, at about 365 miles on the
>> tankful with a couple of pips left on the fuel capacity gauge, with
>> an average of 8.4 US gallons per fill up (total tank capacity from
>> dry is 10.9 US gallons). The fuel economy right now calculates to a
>> cumulative average of 44.4 miles per US gallon. Total cost for this
>> traveling has been ~US$160 worth of regular grade no-lead gasoline/
>> petrol.
>>
> That's very impressive, Godfrey.  My recent midwest trip started with
> a drive to AR, then to St. Louis, MO, and finally back home to PA.  In
> all, about 2000 miles round trip.  The first tank took me into the
> Appalachians of WV on I-68.  Pretty much straight up and straight
> down.  I got 16 mpg.  No worries, right?  It'll get better once the
> road smoothes out.  Wrong.  16 mpg all the way to St. Louis.  I
> usually get 20 or so on the highway.  Finally, at the first fill-up on
> the way home it hit 17, then 18 and the final tank was 19.
>
> I'm going to become a crunchy, sandal wearing hippie just before I buy
> my next car.  I can't afford not to be anymore.
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Re: OT - Prius Fuel Economy

[P. J. Alling]

If not now, there will be.

Digital Image Studio wrote:
> On 24/11/06, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>> I think Godfrey's right about the batteries being improved. They're
>> already rumoured to be using LiIon in next year's model. Replacement of
>> the current (NiMH) battery is around $1500-2000.
>> 
>
> Are there any environmental levies or battery disposal cost in addition?
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Re: K10D & Photoshop CS2

[Mark Roberts]

Patrice LACOUTURE wrote:

>The questions are then:
>   - is there any code space left to integrate a compression engine in
>this flash?

The compression engine is already in there to compress the PEF files 
(though perhaps DNG requires different compression).

>   - how would the DNG compression process impact the performance?

Good question. I expect many, if not most, photographers would be able 
to justify it much of the time, even if it did involve a reduction in 
speed. I'd be able to justify it 99% of the time (I get by shooting 
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Re: taking the plunge

[SJ]

On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 17:58:55 +
Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The thing I find with posting pics to the web is that they always
> appear a bit washed out for my taste so I always bump up the
> saturation a small amount just to make things a bit more vibrant. I
> like the palm shot, the first one. There's some nice shadows at work
> there. Could do with a tad more sharpening for me. How you getting
> the hang of the *ist Ds ? Nice little camera for sure. Are you glad
> you didn't wait? ;-)

hi cotty,

thanks for the comments and looking and yes i am glad i didn't wait and
went for the DS. i am liking it and it'll be some time before i learn
to use it to its full potential but then i am not in any hurry. :)

will also try portraits as you've suggested but my motorcycle
friends are spread across india and we meet about once/twice a year
max.  but i guess i'll find somebody. :))

btw, the landrover does look nice and jazzed up.

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Re: Elements 5.0 and K10D

[Adam Maas]

Yes it will. You'll have to wait for K10D PEF support.

Note that Elements 5 and CS2 use the same plugin for RAW support, so 
compatibility is the same (as long as you're running the latest ACR 
version, at least for formats other than DNG).

_Adam


Jack Davis wrote:
> Now back to my world. Will Elements 5 support K10D DNG RAW? I take it
> that you are saying "yes" in a techese. ;-)
> Thanks!
> 
> Jack
> --- Thibouille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> Well the GX10 with v0.2 firmware from Photokina produced DNG which
>> were readiliy readable with Lightroom beta. SO yes, DNG should be
>> readable, at least b Adobe products.
>>
>> 2006/11/23, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>> Have any of the few who have received their K10D, opened RAW in
>>> Elements 5?
>>>
>>> Jack
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: Pentax 1.8 85mm

[Paul Stenquist]

HAR!
I use it all the time on my digital Pentax cameras. No problem.
An *istD/K85/1.8 sample:
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2154000
Paul

On Nov 23, 2006, at 8:58 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:

> That lens is one of the many good reasons the Pentax
> top line DSLRS should be fully supporting K/M lenses..
> joco
>
> -Original Message-
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>
>
> Thanks Paul, Shel and PJ.
> I'll se if I can get it for 300 USD.
> Regards
>
> Jens Bladt
> http://www.jensbladt.dk
> +45 56 63 77 11
> +45 23 43 85 77
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>
>
> Yes.
>
> Jens Bladt wrote:
>> I was offered to buy this lens locally. A K-mount lens, I believe. Is
>> it worth buying? Thanks in advance.
>> Regards
>>
>> Jens
>>
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Re: K10D & Photoshop CS2

[Adam Maas]

Patrice LACOUTURE wrote:
> 2006/11/24, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> If the K10D shot *compressed* DNG then I'd be able to skip
>> the entire batch process. This is what I was hoping for.
>>
>> I'm hoping it's possible for them to provide this functionality
>> eventually through a firmware update, but I have no way of knowing if
>> that part of the camera's firmware is in the flash ROM. If it's not,
>> then it won't be possible for them to change it through a firmware
>> update.
> 
> With Flash prices constantly plumetting down, it's safe for any
> manufacturer to put (almost) everything in Flash. The (small) extra
> cost compared to plain ROM is overcome by greatly reducing the risk of
> a software issue that couldn't be fixed by an upgrade if the piece of
> software was in ROM. Besides, the whole firmware would ideally be
> stored into one single chip, cheaper and safer than two separate ROM
> and Flash chips.
> 
> So my guess is that everything is upgradeable, except maybe the
> bootstrap code that actually allows the flash to be updated in the
> first place (just in case). (This is often stored in Flash, but can't
> be erased after manufacturing by electronic design.)
> 
> The questions are then:
>- is there any code space left to integrate a compression engine in
> this flash?
>- how would the DNG compression process impact the performance?
> 
> The obvious workaround for this performance issue is to integrate some
> hardware-assisted compression system (which is common for JPEG) but
> this must be planned in advance and impact the hardware, and the cost.
> 
> Just my educated guess, I may be totally wrong.
> 
> Patrice
> 

The compression engine is already there, it does the PEF compression. 
It's a matter of implementing it for DNG as well. Thus I expect 
compressed DNG via a software update (Unlike on the older bodies which 
lack a compression engine).

Note that such compression engines are often hardware, in the way of a 
dedicated DSP.

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Re: taking the plunge

[SJ]

On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 12:45:56 -0600
"Bob Sullivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Welcome.  Nice use of the palm frawn in the first shot.
> You could get closer to the blooming flowers in the 2nd shot,
> and I wish they fell into the bright patches of light.

thanks bob, for the encouraging comments. i'll remember those
suggestions.

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Re: OT - Prius Fuel Economy

[Mark Roberts]

Digital Image Studio wrote:

>On 24/11/06, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> I think Godfrey's right about the batteries being improved. They're
>> already rumoured to be using LiIon in next year's model. Replacement of
>> the current (NiMH) battery is around $1500-2000.
>
>Are there any environmental levies or battery disposal cost in addition?

Don't know, and the lifespan of the batteries seems to be so long that 
I haven't heard of any being replaced yet. But given the value of the 
metals like nickel in the battery I'd expect them to be readily 
recyclable.


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[Beaker]

Thanks for the welcome!

December 16 sounds like a great idea. I'm in!

You are right about DC. I live in nearby College Park, home of the  
Mighty Terps. You can tell, because of all the mean looking  
fiberglass turtles.

Grandfather Mountain sounds interesting. I'd like to hear more about it.

Looking forward to meeting you.

Cheers
Mike

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I'm ready! I'll even have my new K10D by then... guaranteed.

Stan

On Nov 22, 2006, at 9:22 AM, Scott Loveless wrote:

Welcome, Mike.  Good to have you.

Stan has pretty much covered the bases.  I wanted to add that there
are quite a few of us in the mid-Atlantic region.  We have PDMLers in
Philly, New Jersey, several in the DC/Baltimore area, quite a few in
NYC, at least one in western Maryland, Pittsburgh, I'm in Harrisburg,
PA, there are several in NC, and probably quite a few others I've
forgotten.  I just wish I could make it to more of the gatherings.  We
have our disagreements online, but I've never met anyone in person
with whom I wouldn't like to spend more time.  If you have the time
you should really consider the photography weekends at Grandfather
Mountain, NC.  I made it to the Camera Clinic in 2005 and the Nature
Photography Weekend last June.  Both were loads of fun.  Just don't
camp too close to Dave.

BTW, I'm actually, really, honest-to-God available on December 16th.
If anyone else is up for it (Stan?) I'll definitely make the trek to
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Re: OT - Prius Fuel Economy

[David Savage]

At 02:51 AM 24/11/2006, you wrote:


> >>Excellent report, Godfrey...
> >>
> >>The Prius is on my short list!  
> >
> >We got one just over a week ago. It's a blast!
>
>My business started trading on Nov 1st, and although I can't claim
>economy anywhere near the Prius, I can claim a large load carrying
>capacity (originally 9 seats before 6 of them came out to make room for
>bulky TV gear) and I've just gone through the roof in terms oft he cool
>factor according to my son (who now pleads to be picked up from school -
>like, the front gate). Toys include air con, ABS, traction control,
>heated screen and seats (in a Land Rover?!?), CD and one that I fitted:
>reversing camera with dash-mounted LCD.
>
>Sorry about the pic, you know these Canons are crap...
>
>

Sorry that thing is just butt ugly. ;-)

You could have saved yourself a lot of money and bought an original Series 
II or III.



Dave



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Re: K10D & Photoshop CS2

[Patrice LACOUTURE]

2006/11/24, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> If the K10D shot *compressed* DNG then I'd be able to skip
> the entire batch process. This is what I was hoping for.
>
> I'm hoping it's possible for them to provide this functionality
> eventually through a firmware update, but I have no way of knowing if
> that part of the camera's firmware is in the flash ROM. If it's not,
> then it won't be possible for them to change it through a firmware
> update.

With Flash prices constantly plumetting down, it's safe for any
manufacturer to put (almost) everything in Flash. The (small) extra
cost compared to plain ROM is overcome by greatly reducing the risk of
a software issue that couldn't be fixed by an upgrade if the piece of
software was in ROM. Besides, the whole firmware would ideally be
stored into one single chip, cheaper and safer than two separate ROM
and Flash chips.

So my guess is that everything is upgradeable, except maybe the
bootstrap code that actually allows the flash to be updated in the
first place (just in case). (This is often stored in Flash, but can't
be erased after manufacturing by electronic design.)

The questions are then:
   - is there any code space left to integrate a compression engine in
this flash?
   - how would the DNG compression process impact the performance?

The obvious workaround for this performance issue is to integrate some
hardware-assisted compression system (which is common for JPEG) but
this must be planned in advance and impact the hardware, and the cost.

Just my educated guess, I may be totally wrong.

Patrice

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Re: AW: Printing Digital Photos

[Digital Image Studio]

On 24/11/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Don't you agree that this issue is included in the statement "it all
> depends on the particulars of a specific photo"? Highly detailed,
> super fine grain work with a view camera is an aesthetic that
> currently has no analogue in digital capture.

Depending on time/image dynamics constraints stitched multi-row images
can now easily exceed the resolution of LF film.

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RE: Pentax 1.8 85mm

[J. C. O'Connell]

That lens is one of the many good reasons the Pentax
top line DSLRS should be fully supporting K/M lenses..
joco

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Thanks Paul, Shel and PJ.
I'll se if I can get it for 300 USD.
Regards

Jens Bladt
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Yes.

Jens Bladt wrote:
> I was offered to buy this lens locally. A K-mount lens, I believe. Is 
> it worth buying? Thanks in advance.
> Regards
>
> Jens
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Re: K10D and the Sigma 500DG Super

[David J Brooks]

However:-)

The SB800 seems to do a great job with your D200.

My sb80dx is partially crippled, but works well in A

Dave

Quoting Amita Guha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> At least your Sigma flash still works. I tried about eight sets of
> batteries with the Sigma flash I wanted to sell, and it wouldn't power
> up with any of them, including fresh alkalines. I think I'm going to
> send it to Sigma to get it serviced so I can at least get some money
> for it on ebay.
>
> Amita
>
> On 11/23/06, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> This morning I discovered that my Sigma flash doesn't work with any
>> cameral. So it's probably incompatible with the new camera. On the
>> other hand, the camera may have killed it, but that's doubtful. I last
>> used it about a week ago shooting birds with the D, my 400 and an
>> Xtender. It seemed to be working fine then. Tried it on the D this
>> morning. Nothing. Power light comes on, but there's no flash. The test
>> button produces no result.
>>
>> On the other hand, I tried my AF400T on the K10D this morning. It works
>> well in autoflash mode, so it would seem there's nothing wrong with the
>> flash triggering on the camera. Didn't try TTL, but others here have
>> said the K10D doesn't support TTL.
>> Paul
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Re: K10D & Photoshop CS2

[Mark Roberts]

Mark Cassino wrote:

>> I was hoping the K10D would simplify my workflow by
>> eliminating one 
>> step (conversion) but since the camera only saves in
>> *uncompressed* DNG 
>> format, I still will have to go through a conversion
>> process. G. I 
>> hope that's something they can change in a later
>> firmware update.
>
>I'm not sure I follow that - do you mean you cannot
>save back to DNG?

What I'm saying is that the K10D shoots compressed PEF or 
*uncompressed* DNG. My workflow uses compressed DNG.


I could shoot PEF with a K10D and then go through the batch conversion 
process to create compressed DNG files.

Or I could shoot uncompressed DNG with the K10D... and then go through 
the batch conversion process to create compressed DNG files.

Either way involves the batch conversion process, which can be time 
consuming. If the K10D shot *compressed* DNG then I'd be able to skip 
the entire batch process. This is what I was hoping for.

I'm hoping it's possible for them to provide this functionality 
eventually through a firmware update, but I have no way of knowing if 
that part of the camera's firmware is in the flash ROM. If it's not, 
then it won't be possible for them to change it through a firmware 
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Re: OT - Prius Fuel Economy

[Digital Image Studio]

On 24/11/06, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I think Godfrey's right about the batteries being improved. They're
> already rumoured to be using LiIon in next year's model. Replacement of
> the current (NiMH) battery is around $1500-2000.

Are there any environmental levies or battery disposal cost in addition?

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Re: K10D Sharpening

[Digital Image Studio]

On 24/11/06, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> And why would it be a complaint? Using 200% takes the same effort in
> Photoshop as using 10%! As long as the end result looks good it doesn't
> seem significant to me.

I'd rather have the scope to sharpen rather than have to deal with an
over sharpened source image.

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Re: So do i need to contact Sigma or is it toast with K19D

[Paul Stenquist]

Your Sigma 500 may work fine with the K10D. Mine is apparently  
broken, and it probably has nothing to do with the K10d
On Nov 23, 2006, at 8:20 PM, David J Brooks wrote:

> As title says.
>
> Is Sigma going to do any upgrades, or is my $400 flash a flash in  
> the pan.
>
> All my Nikon gear seems to flow well. What is THAT telling me.:-)
>
> Dave
>
>
>
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Re: AW: Printing Digital Photos

[Paul Stenquist]

On Nov 23, 2006, at 8:18 PM, William Robb wrote:

>
>
> There are a few genres that this doesn't hold true for.
> As much as I am looking forward to the K10, I harbour no expectations
> that it will provide sufficient image quality to replace my view  
> camera.
>
Of course not. But the K10D is a nice day-to-day tool. A view camera  
is a project tool. I still hope to own one some day. I've shot quite  
a bit of 4x5 with my Speed Graphic, but I'd like to try the real  
thing some day. It's all part of enjoying the hobby, the craft and  
the business of photography. There are so many things that one might  
want to do that there are never enough free moments to accomplish  
them all. Perhaps we should have a large format gallery some month.  
That would get many of usl off our fat asses:-)
Paul


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Re: AW: Printing Digital Photos

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Nov 23, 2006, at 5:18 PM, William Robb wrote:

>> A photo's emotional, expressive content outweighs any technical
>> notions of noise or grain. It all depends on the particulars of a
>> specific photo.
>
> There are a few genres that this doesn't hold true for.
> As much as I am looking forward to the K10, I harbour no expectations
> that it will provide sufficient image quality to replace my view  
> camera.

Don't you agree that this issue is included in the statement "it all  
depends on the particulars of a specific photo"? Highly detailed,  
super fine grain work with a view camera is an aesthetic that  
currently has no analogue in digital capture.

Godfrey

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Re: PDML and Thunderbird

[Keith McGuinness]

Mark Cassino wrote:
> I configured Thunderbird to send plain text to the
> list, and the messages show up in the sent folder as
> plain text, so I can't figure out what the problem is.
> 
> Is anyone here using Thunderbird to post to the PDML? 
> If so - any tips on settings?

I'm using Thunderbird BUT I don't have any tips because I've 
never had a problem posting to PDML...

Something to do with the email address you have set in 
Thunderbird...?

Haven't a clue, really!

Keith McG


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Re: K10D Sharpening

[Paul Stenquist]

I almost always used 261% at 1.5 Pixels and 11 threshold for the *ist  
D files. I'm finding that I'm now around 100%., 1.2 pixels and 9  
threshold for the K10D, but that is, of course, very preliminary.
Paul
On Nov 23, 2006, at 8:12 PM, David J Brooks wrote:

> Paul
>
> I found my Nikon files needed 70-100% my istD files sometimes close  
> to 200%
>
> Is this the case. It is/was my biggest complaint for the istD
>
> Dave
>
> Quoting Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>> I've found that the K10D DNG files require only about half as much
>> sharpening as my *istD files. That has to be a good thing. I don't
>> know if it's a result of the higher resolution or better in-camera
>> control, but I'm pleased.
>> Paul
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PESO: Outdoor Cafe in Germany, November

[Rick Womer]

It was a cold but clear November day in Gottingen. 
Not much demand for outdoor tables! (This could have
been in the "abandoned" PUG, had I taken it in time!)

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5246069

ist D, DA 16-45, f/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/250, ISO 800; RAW file
converted and tweaked in ACR and PE4.

Comments appreciated.

Rick

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