PESO: The Hidden Bridge

[John Celio]

http://www.neovenator.com/2007/10/photo-now-all-photos-posted-here-will.html

The scene called to me.  I'm not sure I answered well enough, but I like 
what I came up with.

John


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Re: putting old lenses on digital cameras

[P. J. Alling]

It's my web site, and I wrote the program. It's safe.

ann sanfedele wrote:
> P. J. Alling wrote:
>
>   
>> Just for you. OK so I shared this with the list a few days ago. It 
>> should work on your machine. Let me know if it doesn't.
>>
>> http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/AOVCalc.zip
>>  
>>
>> 
>
> Why is it a .zip if it is just a link?That looks like someplace I 
> don't want to go, actually.
> (paranoid? yes)  
>
> Read back a few posts and you will see Adam  and Mark Cassino answered 
> my question.
>
> that was about as much math as I could handle :)
>
> but thanks for the thought
>
> ann
>
>   
>> ann sanfedele wrote:
>>
>> 
>
>
>   
>>  
>>
>> 
>>> notice how I cleverly avoided mentioning my little bastard camera...
>>>
>>> but seriously, folks - It took me a few beats too long to realize that a 
>>> 28mm smc Pentax lens on a
>>> 35 mm digital camera changes it to a less wide lens -- and, I'm 
>>> guessing, the bit of space between the
>>> back of the lens and the camera itself, due to the thickness of the 
>>> adaptor also contributes to this.
>>>
>>> S is there a chart somewhere or a formula that says  28 becomes 
>>> 50(?)  etc ???
>>> Does the difference/ proportion increase with the physical length of the 
>>> lens?  
>>>
>>> My 100mm macro seems like a 200 mm lens  - so I'm really in pig heaven
>>>
>>> It seems like the 28 mm still has the same depth of field given any 
>>> given aperature when it is
>>> on the KX or the digital camera
>>>
>>> ann the curious
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>  
>>
>> 
>
>
>
>   


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Re: putting old lenses on digital cameras

[ann sanfedele]

P. J. Alling wrote:

>Just for you. OK so I shared this with the list a few days ago. It 
>should work on your machine. Let me know if it doesn't.
>
>http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/AOVCalc.zip
>  
>

Why is it a .zip if it is just a link?That looks like someplace I 
don't want to go, actually.
(paranoid? yes)  

Read back a few posts and you will see Adam  and Mark Cassino answered 
my question.

that was about as much math as I could handle :)

but thanks for the thought

ann

>ann sanfedele wrote:
>


>  
>
>>notice how I cleverly avoided mentioning my little bastard camera...
>>
>>but seriously, folks - It took me a few beats too long to realize that a 
>>28mm smc Pentax lens on a
>>35 mm digital camera changes it to a less wide lens -- and, I'm 
>>guessing, the bit of space between the
>>back of the lens and the camera itself, due to the thickness of the 
>>adaptor also contributes to this.
>>
>>S is there a chart somewhere or a formula that says  28 becomes 
>>50(?)  etc ???
>>Does the difference/ proportion increase with the physical length of the 
>>lens?  
>>
>>My 100mm macro seems like a 200 mm lens  - so I'm really in pig heaven
>>
>>It seems like the 28 mm still has the same depth of field given any 
>>given aperature when it is
>>on the KX or the digital camera
>>
>>ann the curious
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>
>
>  
>



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Re: Fine Art Paper for the Epson 2200 - any recommendations?

[David Mann]

On Oct 3, 2007, at 7:04 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

> That's interesting. I suppose the sheet of plain paper draws the
> gases out. I'll have to try it.

I'd use it anyway, just to keep the dust off.

I just dug out the Epson document and put it on my website where you  
can download it:

http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/temp/epson_prints.pdf

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Re: OT: Roadmaps (RE: Press releases from today... (and roadmap)

[David Mann]

On Oct 3, 2007, at 8:01 AM, Bob W wrote:

> This word 'roadmap' is really great - a fine example of management
> guff.

"Touch base" is my current peeve-of-the-week.

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Re: K10D date problems?

[David Mann]

On Oct 3, 2007, at 2:06 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Has anyone had problems with the K10D keeping the correct date?

User error in my case.  I forgot to account for the timezone  
difference when travelling :)

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Re: Chicago PDML and Adobe Max 2007 Conference

[David Savage]

That's not a bean. This is a bean:



;-)

Cheers,

Dave



On 10/3/07, Paul Sorenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Here's a full view of the "Bean", to give you an idea of it...
>
> http://www.studio1941.com/chicago_aug_2006/ds2_imgp0822.htm
>
> A gallery of Millennium Park is here...
>
> http://www.studio1941.com/chicago_aug_2006/index.htm
>
> -p
>
> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>
> >> Are you familiar with "The Bean", the enormous shiny metal jellybean
> >> sculpture in Chicago?
> >
> > No, not at all.
> >
> > I find all the curvi stuff and its reflection in the shiny thing
> > puzzling to sort out, visually.
> >
> > G

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Re: Chicago PDML and Adobe Max 2007 Conference

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Fascinating. Thank you!

G

On Oct 2, 2007, at 3:15 PM, Paul Sorenson wrote:

> Here's a full view of the "Bean", to give you an idea of it...
>
> http://www.studio1941.com/chicago_aug_2006/ds2_imgp0822.htm
>
> A gallery of Millennium Park is here...
>
> http://www.studio1941.com/chicago_aug_2006/index.htm
>
> -p
>
> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>
>>> Are you familiar with "The Bean", the enormous shiny metal jellybean
>>> sculpture in Chicago?
>>
>> No, not at all.
>>
>> I find all the curvi stuff and its reflection in the shiny thing
>> puzzling to sort out, visually.
>>
>> G
>>
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Re: PESO: A Single Leaf (B & W Conversion)

[Brian Walters]

Quoting Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Brian Walters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > http://www.blognow.com.au/PESO/74336/A_Single_Leaf.html
> 
> Cool! Tried a monochrome conversion?
> 
> I have a sneaking suspicion it would take a lot of experimentation
> and 
> tweaking to get it to look good. But I also suspect it would be
> worth 
> the effort.
> 


Probably requires a lot more effort and ability than I can muster.

Here's the best I could do.  I've probably got the background too dark but, 
without that, there's little contrast between it and the leaf.

Don't think I like it much.

But it was fun trying.


http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/IMGP6522bw.jpg



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Re: Chicago PDML and Adobe Max 2007 Conference

[Paul Sorenson]

Thanks, Bob

-p

Bob Sullivan wrote:
> Paul,
> Excellent shots of 'The Bean' for context on Mark's shot.
> You should also add some of the "Water Tower" sculpture.
> Regards,  Bob S.
> 
> On 10/2/07, Paul Sorenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Here's a full view of the "Bean", to give you an idea of it...
>>
>> http://www.studio1941.com/chicago_aug_2006/ds2_imgp0822.htm
>>
>> A gallery of Millennium Park is here...
>>
>> http://www.studio1941.com/chicago_aug_2006/index.htm
>>
>> -p
>>
>> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>>
 Are you familiar with "The Bean", the enormous shiny metal jellybean
 sculpture in Chicago?
>>> No, not at all.
>>>
>>> I find all the curvi stuff and its reflection in the shiny thing
>>> puzzling to sort out, visually.
>>>
>>> G
>>>
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Re: putting old lenses on digital cameras

[Brian Walters]

That's because the sensor in the Canon is slightly different in size to that in 
the Pentax (at least I think that's the case).  Mark was referring to the 
Pentax when he mentioned a factor of 1.5.  A factor of 1.6 applies to the Canon.



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Quoting ann sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Hey, Mark
> 
> Adam called it 1.6  in another post :)  
> 

> 
> 
> Mark Cassino wrote:
> 
> >Assuming you are using a Pentax DSLR - the focal
> >length compared to a 35mm camera is 1.5x greater. So
> >the 28mm is a 42mm - quite a nice angle of view IMO.
> >Someday I hope to find a fast 28 prime to use as a
> >normal lens...
> >
> >Your 100mm macro is like a 150. The lenses don't
> >magnify any more that on 35mm, but because the sensor
> >is smaller the angle of view is narrower. It's like
> >cropping a full framed 35 shot down.
> >
> >HTH -
> >
> >MCC

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Re: putting old lenses on digital cameras

[David Savage]

At 11:45 AM 3/10/2007, ann sanfedele wrote:
>Hey, Mark
>
>Adam called it 1.6  in another post :)


As Mark said assuming your using a Pentax DSLR the crop factor is 1.5x 
(actually 1.53), as the Pentax sensor is fractionally larger.

But as I know you shoot Canon (tsk, tsk, tsk...;-), Adam's 1.6x is the one 
to use in your case (ie 50mm x 1.6 = 80mm equivalent field of view)

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Re: putting old lenses on digital cameras

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Ann,

Here's a couple of tables and graphical representation of Field of  
View between 35mm and your Canon 300D (1.6x crop sensor):

   http://homepage.mac.com/godders/Canon300D-35mm-FoV.jpg

At the top left, you have a table of FoVs - H, V, Diagonal - sorted  
by degrees.
At the top right, you have a table of 35mm vs Canon 300D focal length  
equivalents.

At the bottom, you have a chart which maps FoV in diagonal degrees  
(vertical axis) against focal length (horizontal axis). I've marked a  
35mm focal length and extended the field of view for both formats to  
the scale on the left, green lines.

Hopefully that will be of some use to you...

Depth of Field changes also, consider that you have about 1 stop more  
depth of field for each Field of View with the Canon 300D as a rough  
rule of thumb.

Godfrey


On Oct 2, 2007, at 4:50 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:

> notice how I cleverly avoided mentioning my little bastard camera...
>
> but seriously, folks - It took me a few beats too long to realize  
> that a
> 28mm smc Pentax lens on a
> 35 mm digital camera changes it to a less wide lens -- and, I'm
> guessing, the bit of space between the
> back of the lens and the camera itself, due to the thickness of the
> adaptor also contributes to this.
>
> S is there a chart somewhere or a formula that says  28 becomes
> 50(?)  etc ???
> Does the difference/ proportion increase with the physical length  
> of the
> lens?
>
> My 100mm macro seems like a 200 mm lens  - so I'm really in pig  
> heaven
>
> It seems like the 28 mm still has the same depth of field given any
> given aperature when it is
> on the KX or the digital camera
>
> ann the curious


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Re: putting old lenses on digital cameras

[John Francis]

On Tue, Oct 02, 2007 at 08:08:37PM -0400, Adam Maas wrote:
> 
> The conversion is 1.6 times for the small Canon bodies, so take your 28, 
> multiply by 1.6 and you have the equivalent in 35mm terms (Which is 45mm 
> or so). And it's all because the sensor is smaller than a 35mm frame of 
> film, not because of the space the adaptor takes up.
> 
> The conversion applies to all lenses and doesn't change. And it doesn't 
> affect DoF, it's really just like a crop out of the centre of the 35mm 
> frame.

Well, sort of.  Maybe.

*If* you keep your final print/viewing size the same as a cropped portion
of the full print from that 35mm frame, then the DOF doesn't change.  But
if you enlarge then central cropped portion to the size of the full image
you're changing the magnification, and so you'll also see a change in DOF.

Roughly speaking you need to open up about one stop wider in the DSLR to
get the depth of field that matches a comparable shot from a 35mm camera,
when looking at full-frame images (using different focal length lenses).


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Re: putting old lenses on digital cameras

[ann sanfedele]

Hey, Mark

Adam called it 1.6  in another post :)  

I'm using the old Pentax lenses on that dark side camera you saw me with 
at GFM

re the 100 - it allows me to be farther away from whatever I'm shooting.  

What I'd like to have now is adaptors for each of the lenses I have so I 
don't have so many
pieces to play with when I swap lenses.  

Anyway - I'm enjoying the combos  -  sounds like the exact proportion is 
affected by which particular
DSLR I'm using.

ann




Mark Cassino wrote:

>Assuming you are using a Pentax DSLR - the focal
>length compared to a 35mm camera is 1.5x greater. So
>the 28mm is a 42mm - quite a nice angle of view IMO.
>Someday I hope to find a fast 28 prime to use as a
>normal lens...
>
>Your 100mm macro is like a 150. The lenses don't
>magnify any more that on 35mm, but because the sensor
>is smaller the angle of view is narrower. It's like
>cropping a full framed 35 shot down.
>
>HTH -
>
>MCC
>--- ann sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>notice how I cleverly avoided mentioning my little
>>bastard camera...
>>
>>but seriously, folks - It took me a few beats too
>>long to realize that a 
>>28mm smc Pentax lens on a
>>35 mm digital camera changes it to a less wide lens
>>-- and, I'm 
>>guessing, the bit of space between the
>>back of the lens and the camera itself, due to the
>>thickness of the 
>>adaptor also contributes to this.
>>
>>S is there a chart somewhere or a formula that
>>says  28 becomes 
>>50(?)  etc ???
>>Does the difference/ proportion increase with the
>>physical length of the 
>>lens?  
>>
>>My 100mm macro seems like a 200 mm lens  - so I'm
>>really in pig heaven
>>
>>It seems like the 28 mm still has the same depth of
>>field given any 
>>given aperature when it is
>>on the KX or the digital camera
>>
>>ann the curious
>>
>>
>>
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RE: putting old lenses on digital cameras

[J. C. O'Connell]

DOF is never determined by print size, its all about in-camera
magnification
and f-stop used. I think mentioning print sizes or cropping just
confuses the issue.
jco

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On Tue, Oct 02, 2007 at 08:08:37PM -0400, Adam Maas wrote:
> 
> The conversion is 1.6 times for the small Canon bodies, so take your 
> 28,
> multiply by 1.6 and you have the equivalent in 35mm terms (Which is
45mm 
> or so). And it's all because the sensor is smaller than a 35mm frame
of 
> film, not because of the space the adaptor takes up.
> 
> The conversion applies to all lenses and doesn't change. And it 
> doesn't
> affect DoF, it's really just like a crop out of the centre of the 35mm

> frame.

Well, sort of.  Maybe.

*If* you keep your final print/viewing size the same as a cropped
portion of the full print from that 35mm frame, then the DOF doesn't
change.  But if you enlarge then central cropped portion to the size of
the full image you're changing the magnification, and so you'll also see
a change in DOF.

Roughly speaking you need to open up about one stop wider in the DSLR to
get the depth of field that matches a comparable shot from a 35mm
camera, when looking at full-frame images (using different focal length
lenses).


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Re: putting old lenses on digital cameras

[P. J. Alling]

Just for you. OK so I shared this with the list a few days ago. It 
should work on your machine. Let me know if it doesn't.

http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/AOVCalc.zip

ann sanfedele wrote:
> notice how I cleverly avoided mentioning my little bastard camera...
>
> but seriously, folks - It took me a few beats too long to realize that a 
> 28mm smc Pentax lens on a
> 35 mm digital camera changes it to a less wide lens -- and, I'm 
> guessing, the bit of space between the
> back of the lens and the camera itself, due to the thickness of the 
> adaptor also contributes to this.
>
> S is there a chart somewhere or a formula that says  28 becomes 
> 50(?)  etc ???
> Does the difference/ proportion increase with the physical length of the 
> lens?  
>
> My 100mm macro seems like a 200 mm lens  - so I'm really in pig heaven
>
> It seems like the 28 mm still has the same depth of field given any 
> given aperature when it is
> on the KX or the digital camera
>
> ann the curious
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: putting old lenses on digital cameras

[Mark Cassino]

Assuming you are using a Pentax DSLR - the focal
length compared to a 35mm camera is 1.5x greater. So
the 28mm is a 42mm - quite a nice angle of view IMO.
Someday I hope to find a fast 28 prime to use as a
normal lens...

Your 100mm macro is like a 150. The lenses don't
magnify any more that on 35mm, but because the sensor
is smaller the angle of view is narrower. It's like
cropping a full framed 35 shot down.

HTH -

MCC
--- ann sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> notice how I cleverly avoided mentioning my little
> bastard camera...
> 
> but seriously, folks - It took me a few beats too
> long to realize that a 
> 28mm smc Pentax lens on a
> 35 mm digital camera changes it to a less wide lens
> -- and, I'm 
> guessing, the bit of space between the
> back of the lens and the camera itself, due to the
> thickness of the 
> adaptor also contributes to this.
> 
> S is there a chart somewhere or a formula that
> says  28 becomes 
> 50(?)  etc ???
> Does the difference/ proportion increase with the
> physical length of the 
> lens?  
> 
> My 100mm macro seems like a 200 mm lens  - so I'm
> really in pig heaven
> 
> It seems like the 28 mm still has the same depth of
> field given any 
> given aperature when it is
> on the KX or the digital camera
> 
> ann the curious
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: PESO 2007 - 41a - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Oct 2, 2007, at 4:32 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:

>>>  http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/41a.htm
>
> I like it a lot, too --
>
> So, Godders, did I start a theme with my three green chairs ?  Did you
> remember your 3 after seeing mine?
> or are we really tuned in telepathically?   from your comment, I think
> you must have taken that shot before I took mine.

Thanks! :-) I'll buy telepathy ...

I made that exposure on Sept 14 and printed a test copy a week or so  
back, but have been too busy with other things. So I happened across  
it and thought it was worth posting today.

Godfrey

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Re: Fine Art Paper for the Epson 2200 - any recommendations?

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> --- Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >> I love Hahnemuehl Fine Art Pearl. 
> 
> Thanks - I'll give the Mahemehl a try. 

Hmmm - looks like I should disable spell check before
placing that order...

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Re: Fine Art Paper for the Epson 2200 - any recommendations?

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--- Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> I love Hahnemuehl Fine Art Pearl. I showed a couple
> of prints on that 
> paper to the people who came to GFM 2007 - one of
> which was my Oak Tree 
> with Vines B&W conversion - to very favorable
> responses.
> 
> I'm going to try the new Ilford baryta paper soon.


Thanks - I'll give the Mahemehl a try. I notice that
Freestyle Photographic sells it, and I've been meaning
to order up some Rodinol from them, so the paper can
get tagged onto that order.

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Re: Fine Art Paper for the Epson 2200 - any recommendations

[Mark Cassino]

Thanks, Ken.

A couple of years ago I did a 55 image show of snow
crystals - all images 12 x 12 in 18x20 frames. I had
everything printed a month in advance, and laid the
prints (premium semigloss paper) on sheets of brown
frame backing paper, figuring it would work well to
soak up the extra solvents etc. I left them pressed
against the paper for a week or so, and then let them
air dry for a few weeks.

After framing everything behind glass, the show was up
for about 4 months. I took it down, put it in storage.
Six months later I pulled it out to display in a new
venue. I pulled the prints from the frames and
re-cleaned the glass. 

Almost every print had out gassing residue on the
inside of the glass. I was surprised because they had
certainly 'cured' for a long time. I washed up the
glass and re-exhibited them. They have flipped from
one venue to another for over a year since - in a
couple of weeks I'm taking them down from the medical
center where they have hung for the last 9 months (it
started as a 3 month commitment, but kept getting
extended.) I'll be interested to see how much gas
residue (if any) is on them.

My own experience is that a lot of it depends on the
cleaner used. I did up a batch of framed prints for
another show  using Windex no drip formula, and it
displayed terrible out gassing - I assume that the
thick no-drip formula leaves a residue that interacts
with the print solvents. Other cleaners have worked
better.

To top it off I have some older prints that were
framed in a frame shop, using tempered glass. I broke
the glass on one hanging them to decorate a local
Chamber of Commerce event. The funny thing is that I
hadn't even heard of the out gassing problem at when
that print was framed, and took no effort to cure it.
That glass had no out gas residue on it at all - maybe
it was super cleaned.

My own take, from working with a lot of framed prints
and recycling frames and re-framing, is that the
plastic papers - semigloss and pearl - will out gass
for a few years no matter what you do.  I think that
how the glass is cleaned is the most important part of
the process. Pressing paper against the print or
extended air drying may minimized the problem, but
they will actively out gas for years. 

Just my personal experience - but I have framed and
re-framed a fair number of prints. Prints in direct
sunlight or high humidity are particularly prone to
the problem.

OTOH - matte finish papers seem to exhibit virtually
no problem with this, provided they are given a little
time to dry.

- MCC

--- Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Epson link on Framing tips - addresses out-gassing.
> 
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> 
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Re: OT: Roadmaps (RE: Press releases from today... (and roadmap)

[Norm Baugher]

All I know is that I plan on hitting the road this weekend and I'm 
bringing a map
Norm

Igor Roshchin wrote:
> Bob W wrote:
>   
>> A few years ago when the word was still relatively recent as a
>> metaphor [...]
>> 
>
> In various areas of industry, science, or technology roadmaps were
> defined long time ago (more than just a few years ago).
> E.g. "semiconductor industry roadmap" .
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Re: PentaxNews - user portal in Russian

[David Savage]

At 06:34 AM 3/10/2007, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

>On Oct 2, 2007, at 2:57 PM, Cotty wrote:
>
> >> http://www.pentaxnews.ru/
> >> ^^^ yet another Pentax portal in russian language this time, offers
> >> interesting articles, personal profiles with photo sharing, all the
> >> whistles and bells. In case you might not heard of it.
> >
> > Well at least there's no blokes in tights this time.
>
>Heavens, what would be wrong with that?


It really does depend on the bloke.

Brad Pitt type: OK

Me: 

Cheers,

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Re: putting old lenses on digital cameras

[ann sanfedele]

Adam Maas wrote:

>ann sanfedele wrote:
>  
>
>>notice how I cleverly avoided mentioning my little bastard camera...
>>
>>but seriously, folks - It took me a few beats too long to realize that a 
>>28mm smc Pentax lens on a
>>35 mm digital camera changes it to a less wide lens -- and, I'm 
>>guessing, the bit of space between the
>>back of the lens and the camera itself, due to the thickness of the 
>>adaptor also contributes to this.
>>
>>S is there a chart somewhere or a formula that says  28 becomes 
>>50(?)  etc ???
>>Does the difference/ proportion increase with the physical length of the 
>>lens?  
>>
>>My 100mm macro seems like a 200 mm lens  - so I'm really in pig heaven
>>
>>It seems like the 28 mm still has the same depth of field given any 
>>given aperature when it is
>>on the KX or the digital camera
>>
>>ann the curious
>>
>>
>>
>
>The conversion is 1.6 times for the small Canon bodies, so take your 28, 
>multiply by 1.6 and you have the equivalent in 35mm terms (Which is 45mm 
>or so). And it's all because the sensor is smaller than a 35mm frame of 
>film, not because of the space the adaptor takes up.
>
>The conversion applies to all lenses and doesn't change. And it doesn't 
>affect DoF, it's really just like a crop out of the centre of the 35mm 
>frame.
>
>-Adam
>  
>
Adam - good answer good answer!  :)  just what i wanted to know...  
thanks, luv

ann

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Re: DA 18-250 - priced on Amazon

[Joseph Tainter]

Looks a lot like my Tamron 28-300

Bill

-

It's a rebadge of the Tamron 18-250.

Joe

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do any others of you have a PRO account on Smugmug?

[ann sanfedele]

and are on the digital grin forum list?

every time I ask something in regular email there I'm encouraged to go 
to the digital grin forum for customizing, etcetc
and ask them there... its a super PITA  --   I couldn't find a way to 
post  - though I did it ages ago

I'm trying to increase the font on my homepage and all my galleries  --

I got sent a way to do it for ONE gallery without having to go to the 
forum but
while I'm guessing I could just change gallery blah blah to  "entire web 
page" I don't know what I'd call it.

Ann


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Re: DA70 and 24x36 coverage

[David Savage]

At 02:18 AM 3/10/2007, Boris Liberman wrote:
>Godfrey, I find it incredibly strange that Pentax produced DA 40 and DA
>70 that cover full frame (presumably, but most probably so) obviously
>knowing it and not having advertised it in any way.


I don't.

I expect that the lens designers could have designed it to only cover the 
APS frame, but It was probably easier, cheaper & optically better not too.

Cheers,

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RE: DA70 and 24x36 coverage

[David Savage]

I think "Digital SLRs Only" is pretty un-ambiguous given that Pentax 
doesn't make a FF digital SLR.

Dave


At 02:06 AM 3/10/2007, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
>I agree, the designation should be for APS only coverage
>if so, otherwise unmarked could be assumed FF.
>jco
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
>Tom C
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>
>
>I'm confused. :-)
>
>There's a ton of FF lenses on the market and they're not marked, and
>never
>will be.  Now if the ones that were only truly APS were marked *APS*,
>that
>could be a good thing.
>
>It's really not complicated or confusing.  If you know how to use a
>camera
>with any degree of skill, and are willing to spend money on a new lens,
>then
>this issue is certainly a no-brainer.
>
>Much simpler than determining what size of wheel and tire are compatible
>
>with a given vehicle.
>
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DA 18-250

[Bill Owens]

An earlier post to give us the Amazon price of a Pentax DA 18-250 raised my
curiosity.  I looked up the lens on the Pentax USA site and compared it to
the 18-250 on the Tamron site.  Sure looks like the Pentax is a rebadged
Tamron.

Bill


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Re: putting old lenses on digital cameras

[Adam Maas]

ann sanfedele wrote:
> notice how I cleverly avoided mentioning my little bastard camera...
> 
> but seriously, folks - It took me a few beats too long to realize that a 
> 28mm smc Pentax lens on a
> 35 mm digital camera changes it to a less wide lens -- and, I'm 
> guessing, the bit of space between the
> back of the lens and the camera itself, due to the thickness of the 
> adaptor also contributes to this.
> 
> S is there a chart somewhere or a formula that says  28 becomes 
> 50(?)  etc ???
> Does the difference/ proportion increase with the physical length of the 
> lens?  
> 
> My 100mm macro seems like a 200 mm lens  - so I'm really in pig heaven
> 
> It seems like the 28 mm still has the same depth of field given any 
> given aperature when it is
> on the KX or the digital camera
> 
> ann the curious
> 

The conversion is 1.6 times for the small Canon bodies, so take your 28, 
multiply by 1.6 and you have the equivalent in 35mm terms (Which is 45mm 
or so). And it's all because the sensor is smaller than a 35mm frame of 
film, not because of the space the adaptor takes up.

The conversion applies to all lenses and doesn't change. And it doesn't 
affect DoF, it's really just like a crop out of the centre of the 35mm 
frame.

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Re: putting old lenses on digital cameras

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "ann sanfedele"
Subject: putting old lenses on digital cameras



> S is there a chart somewhere or a formula that says  28 becomes
> 50(?)  etc ???

AAGGGHH
They got Ann...

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Re: PESO - "China" - may have been influenced by Godfrey's coffee shops

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Igor Roshchin"
Subject: PESO - "China" - may have been influenced by Godfrey's coffee shops



> I didn't find what I was looking for. The closest contender would
> be this shot:
> http://www.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/Mixed-2005-2007/China-IMGP6127.jpg
> "China".
>
> Usually I try not to post here pictures that I don't quite like myself,
> but in this case, I hope that someone may spark some idea for how
> it can be done better.

Well, I like it, FWIW.
I caressed it lightly though.
http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/China-IMGP6127_bump.jpg

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Re: PESO: A Single Leaf

[ann sanfedele]

Brian Walters wrote:

>Quoting Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>  
>
>>Cool! Tried a monochrome conversion?
>>
>>I have a sneaking suspicion it would take a lot of experimentation
>>and 
>>tweaking to get it to look good. But I also suspect it would be
>>worth 
>>the effort.
>>
>>
>>
I think Mark is just in that kinda mood - the color in your photo is 
great -- the only point I see to
converting color shots to black and white is if color is distracting 
either on a subject level or a
purely visual one.

A black and white would make it more of a cliche  - because the lighting 
is good, etc.., but the
gradations of color in that leaf are lovely - too bad put didn't get it 
into the October pug

ann




>
>I hadn't thought about a b&w conversion.  My skills in that area are a bit 
>limited but I'll give it a go.
>
>Thanks for commenting.
>
>
>Cheers
>
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>
>>Brian Walters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>http://www.blognow.com.au/PESO/74336/A_Single_Leaf.html
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putting old lenses on digital cameras

[ann sanfedele]

notice how I cleverly avoided mentioning my little bastard camera...

but seriously, folks - It took me a few beats too long to realize that a 
28mm smc Pentax lens on a
35 mm digital camera changes it to a less wide lens -- and, I'm 
guessing, the bit of space between the
back of the lens and the camera itself, due to the thickness of the 
adaptor also contributes to this.

S is there a chart somewhere or a formula that says  28 becomes 
50(?)  etc ???
Does the difference/ proportion increase with the physical length of the 
lens?  

My 100mm macro seems like a 200 mm lens  - so I'm really in pig heaven

It seems like the 28 mm still has the same depth of field given any 
given aperature when it is
on the KX or the digital camera

ann the curious





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Re: PESO: A Single Leaf

[Brian Walters]

Quoting Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Cool! Tried a monochrome conversion?
> 
> I have a sneaking suspicion it would take a lot of experimentation
> and 
> tweaking to get it to look good. But I also suspect it would be
> worth 
> the effort.
> 


I hadn't thought about a b&w conversion.  My skills in that area are a bit 
limited but I'll give it a go.

Thanks for commenting.


Cheers

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> > http://www.blognow.com.au/PESO/74336/A_Single_Leaf.html
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Re: PESO: A Single Leaf

[ann sanfedele]

Brian Walters wrote:

>Hi Ann.  Thanks for looking.
>
>My wife's job is to find photographic subjects for me.  Can't let her start 
>taking her own photos.
>
>:-)>
>
>
>Cheers
>
>Brian
>

We have to liberate her now!
ann

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>Quoting ann sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>  
>
>>Lovely photo - when is your wife going to start posting her shots
>>here??? :)
>>
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Re: PESO 2007 - 41a - GDG

[ann sanfedele]

Cotty wrote:

>On 02/10/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>  
>
>>I walk by this scene every time I go to SF. The light this particular  
>>day was just right ...
>>
>>  http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/41a.htm
>>
>>Comments and critique always appreciated.
>>
>>
>
>
>VERY nice. Classy. One of the best you've produced.
>
>And this from someone who's not a great big fan of this genre.
>
>well done!
>
>  
>
I like it a lot, too --  

So, Godders, did I start a theme with my three green chairs ?  Did you 
remember your 3 after seeing mine?
or are we really tuned in telepathically?   from your comment, I think 
you must have taken that shot before I took mine.

Theme for 2008 pug  "Be Seated"  
or "Ionesco"  (possibly obscure reference for older theatre fans)

ann



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Re: PESO: A Single Leaf

[Brian Walters]

Thanks Boris.  I'll pass on your compliment to my 'image spotter'


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Quoting Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Well, Brian, your wife has a good eye. The water droplets and the
> dry 
> looking surroundings of the leaf work together really well.
> 
> You both did a great job!
> 
> Boris
> 
> Brian Walters wrote:
> > Hi all
> > 
> > This is undoubtedly clichéd but I quite like it.
> > 
> > It almost never happened.  My wife had to point out the
> photographic possibilities several times before I noticed.  I'm
> hopeless and "seeing" potential images
> > 
> > 
> > http://www.blognow.com.au/PESO/74336/A_Single_Leaf.html
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Re: PESO: A Single Leaf

[Brian Walters]

Hi Rebekah

Glad you liked it.  Thanks for looking.


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Quoting Rebekah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> I love it! great colors and the water drops really make it :)
> 
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RE: PESO: A Single Leaf

[Brian Walters]

Hi Tom (and Ken)

Thanks for the comment.  The background is a bit more dominant than I'd like 
but that's what I had to work with, and moving the leaf would have caused the 
water drops to be lost.

I might try rotating the image a bit to see if the composition benefits.



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Quoting Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> It's a pretty leaf and it's exposed correctly, but somehow the
> image lacks 
> excitement for me. Aesthetically, it would probably have benefited
> by more 
> leaves or skewing the angle differently.
> 
> I think the background is not really cooperating.  If it was a
> bunch of 
> other leaves, or if it was pine needles or a rock... the background
> seems to 
> compete because it's cluttered and clumpy.
> 
> Just my opinion.
> 
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Re: PESO: A Single Leaf

[Brian Walters]

Hi Dave

Quoting David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
 
> I like it, a lot.
> 
> It brought to my minds nose, :-),  the smell of the bush after
> rain. I love 
> that smell.
> 

Me too - don't smell it very much these days, though :-(>

Thanks for looking.


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> At 06:07 AM 2/10/2007, Brian Walters  wrote:
> >Hi all
> >
> >This is undoubtedly clichéd but I quite like it.
> >
> >It almost never happened.  My wife had to point out the
> photographic 
> >possibilities several times before I noticed.  I'm hopeless and
> "seeing" 
> >potential images
> >
> >
> >http://www.blognow.com.au/PESO/74336/A_Single_Leaf.html
>

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Re: PESO: A Single Leaf

[Brian Walters]

Hi Marnie

Thanks for looking.

Yes, you're right.  My photography has undoubtedly improved since I've been on 
the list.  However, my engineering background makes me want to see regular 
shapes and straight lines.  It's taking me a while to let my imagination run 
free...

:-)>


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I was starting from a fairly 

Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

> 
> Oh,  that's really nice. Well done! 
> 
> BTW, the way to get better at that is  remember what people have
> shown on 
> list then keep your eyes peeled for similar  opportunities. One of
> the benefits 
> to list membership is sparking the  imagination.
> 
> Marnie aka Doe  :-)

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Re: PESO: A Man Out Standing in His Field

[ann sanfedele]

Steve Desjardins wrote:

>It is a bit washed out.  I was using manual exposure so I just kept it
>set on (for example) f5.6 at 1500 and checked it every so often to be
>sure it was till working.  Since it was morning, the light changed
>gradually.  
>
>That "diagonal stick" is distracting.  I have no scruples at all about
>removing stuff but I haven't taken the time yet .  I coudl just crop
>it out, but I like have the main subject off center with the field
>stretching out behind.  I'll play with it.
>
>Steve
>

Yeah, thats the problem -- the geometry of the photo is good -- I like 
the off center to the
right main subject (opposite of my political views).  

ann

>
>  
>
ann sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 10/2/2007 2:28 PM >>>


>Steve Desjardins wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Another picture from this pile of shots I'm slowly organizing.
>>
>>http://home.wlu.edu/~desjardins/ 
>>
>>This, like many of these pictures, was taken from a moving bus with
>>
>>
>the
>  
>
>>FA 20-35.  I set everything on the DS to manual and it worked pretty
>>well.  I straightened the horizon a bit, resized and used unsharp
>>
>>
>mask
>  
>
>>but otherwise unchanged.  I've tried various croppings but just
>>
>>
>couldn't
>  
>
>>decide.
>>
>>The title, of course, is a classic .
>>
>>Steve
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>Hmmm I find the appearnace on my screen is a bit too light - nice 
>capture but , um, that long slender
>twig on the left is drawing my eye away...  maybe this is less 
>troublesome to someone with better
>eyesight otoh  I hate removing stuff like that in photoshop - not 
>from the technical stand point but
>from my reluctance to manipulate photos  
>
>It is where the twig intersects with the dirt behind it that it leaps 
>out
>
>hope this is helpful
>
>ann
>
>
>  
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Re: PESO: A Single Leaf

[Brian Walters]

Hi Ann.  Thanks for looking.

My wife's job is to find photographic subjects for me.  Can't let her start 
taking her own photos.

:-)>


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Quoting ann sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> 
> Lovely photo - when is your wife going to start posting her shots
> here??? :)
> 
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Re: PESO: A Single Leaf

[Brian Walters]

Thanks Bob.  Much appreciated.


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Quoting Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Ooooh, elegant color photo.
> Regards,  Bob S.
> 
> On 10/1/07, Brian Walters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi all
> >
> > This is undoubtedly clichéd but I quite like it.
> >
> > It almost never happened.  My wife had to point out the
> photographic possibilities several times before I noticed.  I'm
> hopeless and "seeing" potential images
> >
> >
> > http://www.blognow.com.au/PESO/74336/A_Single_Leaf.html
> >
> >

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Re: PESO: A Single Leaf

[Brian Walters]

Thanks Godfrey.  Glad you liked it.

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Quoting Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> 
> On Oct 1, 2007, at 3:07 PM, Brian Walters wrote:
> 
> > http://www.blognow.com.au/PESO/74336/A_Single_Leaf.html
> 
> quite beautiful! thank you. :-)
> 
> Godfrey
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Re: Chicago PDML and Adobe Max 2007 Conference

[Mark Roberts]

Bob Sullivan wrote:

>Like Paul says, roundthebend is an excellent composition.
>I've been to the spot many times, but never 'seen' the picture.

When you buy a fisheye lens there's quite a bit of learning curve (no 
pun intended) involved. You spent a lot of time thinking about, and 
experimenting with, ways of using it. One of the beneficial side 
effects is that you start to "see" compositions you never would have 
noticed before.

At least that's how I think it works :)



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PESO - "China" - may have been influenced by Godfrey's coffee shops

[Igor Roshchin]

Recently, sitting with friends in a coffee shop, I was playing with
my sun-glasses, trying to find the right view angle and to frame the 
shot so it would make sense.
(I am fond of interesting reflections in general).

I didn't find what I was looking for. The closest contender would
be this shot:
http://www.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/Mixed-2005-2007/China-IMGP6127.jpg
"China".

Usually I try not to post here pictures that I don't quite like myself,
but in this case, I hope that someone may spark some idea for how
it can be done better. 

Igor

PS. I suspect that the mood of this photo could have been influenced
by the series of coffee shop photos posted here by Godfrey.


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Re: Chicago PDML and Adobe Max 2007 Conference

[Bob Sullivan]

Paul,
Excellent shots of 'The Bean' for context on Mark's shot.
You should also add some of the "Water Tower" sculpture.
Regards,  Bob S.

On 10/2/07, Paul Sorenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Here's a full view of the "Bean", to give you an idea of it...
>
> http://www.studio1941.com/chicago_aug_2006/ds2_imgp0822.htm
>
> A gallery of Millennium Park is here...
>
> http://www.studio1941.com/chicago_aug_2006/index.htm
>
> -p
>
> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>
> >> Are you familiar with "The Bean", the enormous shiny metal jellybean
> >> sculpture in Chicago?
> >
> > No, not at all.
> >
> > I find all the curvi stuff and its reflection in the shiny thing
> > puzzling to sort out, visually.
> >
> > G
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Re: Chicago PDML and Adobe Max 2007 Conference

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Mark,
Like Paul says, roundthebend is an excellent composition.
I've been to the spot many times, but never 'seen' the picture.
Regards,  Bob S.

On 10/2/07, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Two more:
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> http://www.robertstech.com/temp/roundthebend.jpg
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> http://www.robertstech.com/temp/noswim.jpg
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Re: PentaxNews - user portal in Russian

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Oct 2, 2007, at 2:57 PM, Cotty wrote:

>> http://www.pentaxnews.ru/
>> ^^^ yet another Pentax portal in russian language this time, offers
>> interesting articles, personal profiles with photo sharing, all the
>> whistles and bells. In case you might not heard of it.
>
> Well at least there's no blokes in tights this time.

Heavens, what would be wrong with that?

Godfrey

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Re: OT: Roadmaps (RE: Press releases from today... (and roadmap)

[Igor Roshchin]

Bob W wrote:
> A few years ago when the word was still relatively recent as a
> metaphor [...]

In various areas of industry, science, or technology roadmaps were
defined long time ago (more than just a few years ago).
E.g. "semiconductor industry roadmap" .

> Er, so how is that different from a plan?

> A real road map shows you a multitude of different ways of getting 
> from one place to another, or many other places.

Indeed, usually what is thought as a roadmap is not necessarily a 
linear sequence of events, but rather a general direction of development
together with a bunch of milestones that are expected to be achieved
(often without saying how).
Usually such a roadmap is much broader than a plan, but at the same
it doesn't necessarily contain a detailed "plan" how the milestones
should be reached. So, the term "roadmap" in this context 
has some flavor of a wish-list. It is a type of plan, but a bit vague
one.

The goal of a roadmap is to outline the direction of development and
the plausible milestones, in order to inform various parties involved
and to help creating specific plans of development.

A plan (unless it is one of those "plans" that are just plans) usually
has a reasonably defined list of goals and a list/sequence of actions 
that need to be taken to reach the goal.

An example of the roadmap for magnetic recording industry would contain
the desired memory areal density (currently 1 Terabit per sq. inch.)
for non-volatile memory, some short access time, etc.
It may contain approximate time mark, but it is a wish list.
The companies like Hitachi and Seagate have their plans on developing
certain products which in general are trying to follow the roadmap,
but may differ from it.

In case of Pentax, their roadmap is trying to show the general direction
of development (DA, DFA and DA* lenses), and certain milestones
(approximate focal lengths of the lenses).
In general, some of those lenses may not have been really planned yet
in the beginning, when the roadmap is released, while some other, less
prominent lenses may not be indicated on the roadmap.

So, in summary, a roadmap here is an approximate plan that may not have
all details worked out, some sort of a wish-list.
Thus, don't get frustrated if some of the "planned" lenses will
not materialize, and when some unplanned lenses like 18-250
will show up.


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Re: Chicago PDML and Adobe Max 2007 Conference

[Paul Sorenson]

Here's a full view of the "Bean", to give you an idea of it...

http://www.studio1941.com/chicago_aug_2006/ds2_imgp0822.htm

A gallery of Millennium Park is here...

http://www.studio1941.com/chicago_aug_2006/index.htm

-p

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

>> Are you familiar with "The Bean", the enormous shiny metal jellybean
>> sculpture in Chicago?
> 
> No, not at all.
> 
> I find all the curvi stuff and its reflection in the shiny thing  
> puzzling to sort out, visually.
> 
> G
> 


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Re: PESO: A Man Out Standing in His Field

[Cotty]

On 02/10/07, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed:

>More edible than yours?

Just the opposite. He knows that Pentax will never bring out  a pro-spec
FF DSLR. 

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Re: PentaxNews - user portal in Russian

[Cotty]

On 02/10/07, Roman Melihhov, discombobulated, unleashed:

>http://www.pentaxnews.ru/
>^^^ yet another Pentax portal in russian language this time, offers 
>interesting articles, personal profiles with photo sharing, all the 
>whistles and bells. In case you might not heard of it.

Well at least there's no blokes in tights this time.

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Re: Chicago PDML and Adobe Max 2007 Conference

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

That's an odd artifact...

G

On Oct 2, 2007, at 1:41 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Here's a shot of "the bean" that provides some context. Just  
> happened to stumble across it while surfing Photo.Net:
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6478298


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Re: PESO 2007 - 41a - GDG

[Cotty]

On 02/10/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I walk by this scene every time I go to SF. The light this particular  
>day was just right ...
>
>   http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/41a.htm
>
>Comments and critique always appreciated.


VERY nice. Classy. One of the best you've produced.

And this from someone who's not a great big fan of this genre.

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Re: DA70 and 24x36 coverage

[Tom C]

That's what I would think also.  Well put.

"The PENTAX DA * series are designed for exclusive use with PENTAX digital 
SLR cameras."

One should assume if it says DA on it, that it was designed for DSLR's as 
opposed to SLR's. The fact that one can mount a DA lens on an SLR is of 
little consequence.  Now if a FF K-mount body does come out, we'll all be 
very unhappy if we have an inventory of partial coverage DA lenses.

The fact that certain DA lenses will cover FF is simply a matter of physics 
and likely cost-savings on the design side.

Tom C.


>From: Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Subject: Re: DA70 and 24x36 coverage
>Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 14:23:51 -0700
>
>Yes, where I see the real problem is that Pentax designated DA lenses
>for their DSLR's.  They are all reduced frame.  So that means by the
>definition, the lenses do not have to cover Full Frame.  However,
>those who keep asking can they use a DA lens on their full frame film
>camera are trying to change the meaning.
>
>SO NO you can't use DA lenses on your film body.
>At least not according to Pentax and the lens designation.  If you
>want to do it anyway and are happy with the results, more power to
>you.
>
>This is not an issue of designating in a manner that is hard to
>understand, it is a matter of some individuals not wanting to follow
>the designation.
>
>--
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>Bruce
>
>
>Tuesday, October 2, 2007, 12:27:14 PM, you wrote:
>
>JF> On Tue, Oct 02, 2007 at 08:18:49PM +0200, Boris Liberman wrote:
> >>
> >> Godfrey, I find it incredibly strange that Pentax produced DA 40 and DA
> >> 70 that cover full frame (presumably, but most probably so) obviously
> >> knowing it and not having advertised it in any way.
>
>JF> Why?  The lenses work just fine with all camera bodies Pentax currently 
>sell.
>
>JF> I doubt if they've even been tested on an old film body to see whether 
>they
>JF> vignette, or whether the corner resolution meets whatever criteria 
>Pentax use.
>
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Re: PESO - Two by Timmy's

[John Francis]

On Tue, Oct 02, 2007 at 03:57:32PM -0400, Steve Desjardins wrote:
> The cups look like they are actually attached at some odd angle.  For
> some reason, I'm reminded of the Daleks in the old Dr. Who series. 
> Stuff just stuck onto inverted trash cans at odd angles.  
> 
> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/DalekatBrighton.jpg
> 
> It has been a long day. . . .


Actually, that's a Dalek from the *new* Dr. Who series.
The most obvious clue is the colour scheme of the background banner,
which uses the blue, purple and orange of the new series logo.  But
there are also several differences in the design of the Dalek model
itself, most notably the wider, bevelled base with the small raised 
dots.


Here are a couple of the latest-design Daleks, with company ..

http://www.jfwaf.com/temp/daleks.jpg



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Re: PESO 2007 - 41a - GDG

[Mark Roberts]

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

>   http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/41a.htm

Very nice. I like the natural almost-monochrome look.



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RE: spam: DA 18-250 - priced on Amazon

[Bill Owens]

Looks a lot like my Tamron 28-300

Bill

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Amazon has posted the price for the new SMC DA 18-250 lens, $500:
http://www.amazon.com/Pentax-18-250mm-3-5-6-3-Samsung-Digital/dp/B000WJOF1O/
http://tinyurl.com/23kvre

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RE: OT: Roadmaps (RE: Press releases from today... (and roadmap)

[Bob W]

> 
> Bob W wrote:
> 
> >This word 'roadmap' is really great - a fine example of management
> >guff. 
> 
> 
> 
> Great story! I've worked in places like that.
> 
> But in reference to Pentax there really is a difference 
> between a plan 
> and a roadmap. The roadmap is a *subset* of what's in the plan: The 
> subset which they're willing to make public rather than 
> hiding from the 
> competition. Once you know the difference it is no longer surprising

> when Pentax releases a product that's not on the roadmap.
> 

it's still a bad analogy. A real road map shows you a multitude of
different ways of getting from one place to another, or many other
places. Typically a plan (and therefore all subsets of the plan) show
you one way to get there. 

Calling a plan a roadmap is just a management way of trying to sex
things up. Somehow a plan is not as good as a roadmap in
management-speak. 

And a subset of a plan is still a plan.

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Re: DA70 and 24x36 coverage

[Bruce Dayton]

Yes, where I see the real problem is that Pentax designated DA lenses
for their DSLR's.  They are all reduced frame.  So that means by the
definition, the lenses do not have to cover Full Frame.  However,
those who keep asking can they use a DA lens on their full frame film
camera are trying to change the meaning.

SO NO you can't use DA lenses on your film body.
At least not according to Pentax and the lens designation.  If you
want to do it anyway and are happy with the results, more power to
you.

This is not an issue of designating in a manner that is hard to
understand, it is a matter of some individuals not wanting to follow
the designation.

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Tuesday, October 2, 2007, 12:27:14 PM, you wrote:

JF> On Tue, Oct 02, 2007 at 08:18:49PM +0200, Boris Liberman wrote:
>> 
>> Godfrey, I find it incredibly strange that Pentax produced DA 40 and DA
>> 70 that cover full frame (presumably, but most probably so) obviously
>> knowing it and not having advertised it in any way.

JF> Why?  The lenses work just fine with all camera bodies Pentax currently 
sell.

JF> I doubt if they've even been tested on an old film body to see whether they
JF> vignette, or whether the corner resolution meets whatever criteria Pentax 
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Re: PESO 2007 - 41a - GDG

[Evan Hanson]

I like it.  Beauty in simplicity.

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Re: OT: Roadmaps (RE: Press releases from today... (and roadmap)

[Mark Roberts]

Bob W wrote:

>This word 'roadmap' is really great - a fine example of management
>guff. 



Great story! I've worked in places like that.

But in reference to Pentax there really is a difference between a plan 
and a roadmap. The roadmap is a *subset* of what's in the plan: The 
subset which they're willing to make public rather than hiding from the 
competition. Once you know the difference it is no longer surprising 
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DA 18-250 - priced on Amazon

[Igor Roshchin]

Amazon has posted the price for the new SMC DA 18-250 lens, $500:
http://www.amazon.com/Pentax-18-250mm-3-5-6-3-Samsung-Digital/dp/B000WJOF1O/
http://tinyurl.com/23kvre

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Re: Chicago PDML and Adobe Max 2007 Conference

[Mark Roberts]

Adam Maas wrote:

>Mark Roberts wrote:
>> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>> 
>>> Beantown is puzzling.
>> 
>> Well, it's intended to be puzzling, but perhaps it's more so than I 
>> realized.
>> Are you familiar with "The Bean", the enormous shiny metal jellybean 
>> sculpture in Chicago?
>> 
>> BTW: Now all in a web gallery at 
>> http://www.robertstech.com/temp/chicago/
>
>Note that Beantown is also a nickname for Boston, hence the possible 
confusion.

Exactly. I was making a pun on Boston's nickname because Chicago is the 
home town of "The bean" sculpture. Sometimes I'm too obscure for my own 
good...



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Re: Rv: Press releases from today... (and roadmap)

[mike wilson]

Jaume Lahuerta wrote:
> Well, for me 'better' image quality would be a mix of more: sharpness, color 
> rendition, contrast... and less: distortions, chromatic aberrations, flare, 
> fringing...
> 
> It's said that a prime in general produces 'better' images than a zoom, and 
> also in general, 2 short range zooms produce better results than a long range 
> zoom. However, there are many exceptions to this 'rule' and maybe a good long 
> range zoom can produce better results than 2 shorter 'kit' zooms.
> This was my question.
> 
>>From this answer I understand that the most probable is that the results of 
>>the 2 zooms are better in some aspects (resolution?) and worst or just 
>>different in other (color rendition?).

Certainly possible.  Only testing will tell.

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Re: Chicago PDML and Adobe Max 2007 Conference

[pnstenquist]

Here's a shot of "the bean" that provides some context. Just happened to 
stumble across it while surfing Photo.Net:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6478298
 -- Original message --
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> On Oct 2, 2007, at 12:48 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
> 
> >> Beantown is puzzling.
> >
> > Well, it's intended to be puzzling, but perhaps it's more so than I
> > realized.
> > Are you familiar with "The Bean", the enormous shiny metal jellybean
> > sculpture in Chicago?
> 
> No, not at all.
> 
> I find all the curvi stuff and its reflection in the shiny thing  
> puzzling to sort out, visually.
> 
> G
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RE: DA70 and 24x36 coverage

[J. C. O'Connell]

Actually if the intent was for APS cameras only, the coverage
could be reduced and the lens performance increased via more baffling,
different optical designs, etc.
jco

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On Oct 2, 2007, at 12:27 PM, John Francis wrote:

>> Godfrey, I find it incredibly strange that Pentax produced DA 40
>> and DA
>> 70 that cover full frame (presumably, but most probably so) obviously
>> knowing it and not having advertised it in any way.
>
> Why?  The lenses work just fine with all camera bodies Pentax
> currently sell.
>
> I doubt if they've even been tested on an old film body to see
> whether they
> vignette, or whether the corner resolution meets whatever criteria  
> Pentax use.

Exactly. Pentax no longer makes 35mm film SLRs, they're not testing  
DA lenses for use on them. The fact that these lenses are usable is a  
happy accident, not an intent.

Godfrey

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Re: PESO 2007 - 41a - GDG

[pnstenquist]

Good one. Interesting composition and tonality.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I walk by this scene every time I go to SF. The light this particular  
> day was just right ...
> 
>http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/41a.htm
> 
> Comments and critique always appreciated.
> 
> enjoy
> Godfrey
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Re: DA70 and 24x36 coverage

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Tom C"
Subject: Re: DA70 and 24x36 coverage


> >From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>>Another list member has my 40 at the moment
>>William Robb
>>
> 
> You didn't get it yet?
> 

bastard.
WW

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Re: PESO 2007 - 41a - GDG

[frank theriault]

On 10/2/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I walk by this scene every time I go to SF. The light this particular
> day was just right ...
>
>http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/41a.htm
>

Simple, very well composed, very pleasing to the eye.

cheers,
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Re: DA70 and 24x36 coverage

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
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Subject: Re: DA70 and 24x36 coverage


> Yes, Peter, that's my understanding too.
> 
> But why then honorable sir William would take the DA 70 and probably
> DA 40 lenses and mount them on his film camera?
> 

Because you asked me to, and for no other reason.

William Robb

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Re: PESO - Child's Work

[Kenneth Waller]

Thanks to Paul, Godfrey, Bruce , Boris, Marnie & Frank for taking the time 
to look & comment.

Specific comments answered below :

>Godfrey "It comes up a bit on the blue-cyan side for my taste, however."
You're right on. I went back in to the original & removed most of the Cyan 
in levels & I like it better - thanks.

>Bruce & Marnie - "One thing that seems a bit odd to me though, is that the 
>black
top seems extremely gritty to me - almost like it is over-sharpened. Maybe 
it is just the lighting causing that."
Actually Bruce/Marnie, the surface is very old discolored concrete (in a 
shadow".

Kenneth Waller
http://tinyurl.com/272u2f


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Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: PESO - Child's Work


> On 10/1/07, Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Since sidewalk shots have been popular recently on the list, I thought 
>> I'd
>> add one of mine -
>> "Child's Work".
>> < http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html >
>>
>> K10D, 28-80mm SMC FA. 1/60 @ f5.6.
>>
>
> Lovely.
>
> cheers,
> frank


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PentaxNews - user portal in Russian

[Roman Melihhov]

http://www.pentaxnews.ru/
^^^ yet another Pentax portal in russian language this time, offers 
interesting articles, personal profiles with photo sharing, all the 
whistles and bells. In case you might not heard of it.


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Re: Fine Art Paper for the Epson 2200 - any recommendations

[Kenneth Waller]

Epson link on Framing tips - addresses out-gassing.

http://www.epson.com/cmc_upload/0/000/020/443/Gas%20Ghost%20P3.15692.pdf

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PESO 2007 - 41a - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I walk by this scene every time I go to SF. The light this particular  
day was just right ...

   http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/41a.htm

Comments and critique always appreciated.

enjoy
Godfrey

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Rv: Press releases from today... (and roadmap)

[Jaume Lahuerta]

Well, for me 'better' image quality would be a mix of more: sharpness, color 
rendition, contrast... and less: distortions, chromatic aberrations, flare, 
fringing...

It's said that a prime in general produces 'better' images than a zoom, and 
also in general, 2 short range zooms produce better results than a long range 
zoom. However, there are many exceptions to this 'rule' and maybe a good long 
range zoom can produce better results than 2 shorter 'kit' zooms.
This was my question.

>From this answer I understand that the most probable is that the results of 
>the 2 zooms are better in some aspects (resolution?) and worst or just 
>different in other (color rendition?).

Regards,
Jaume

- Mensaje reenviado 
De: mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Enviado: martes, 2 de octubre, 2007 14:37:37
Asunto: Re: Press releases from today... (and roadmap)


> 
> From: Jaume Lahuerta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2007/10/02 Tue AM 09:38:49 GMT
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> Subject: Re: Press releases from today... (and roadmap)
> 
> Regarding Image Quality,
> 
> Do you think that a 18-250 will produce better results than the 'combo kit' 
> 18-55 + 50-200 ?
> 
> Regards,
> Jaume

Hmmm.  Define "better".  Then specify for what use.  For viewing screen-sized 
on a monitor or small print, probably no regarding resolution but there may be 
some aspect of the "look" of the output that you find to be "better" than the 
kit lenses.

> 
> - Mensaje original 
> De: Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> Enviado: martes, 2 de octubre, 2007 11:20:46
> Asunto: Re: Press releases from today... (and roadmap)
> 
> I will have to monitor Adorama and B&H very closely as I really think
> I will make a good use of this lens. Thus, I will be able to reduce my
> essential kit to just five lenses - 18-250, Tamron 28-75/2.8, 31, 43,
> 77.
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Boris
> 
> On 10/2/07, Igor Roshchin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Boris,
> >
> > http://www.digital.pentax.co.jp/en/lens/roadmap.pdf
> > (I believe, this is the roadmap being discussed, isn't it?)
> > -- this roadmap proposes 18-250 to be available by late October 2007.
> >
> > I am also interested in getting this lens, - especially for the trips
> > where I have weight and volume limitations.
> > .. and as a walk-around, kind of "universal" lens.
> >
> > Igor
> >
> > Tue Oct 2 03:49:56 EDT 2007
> > Boris Liberman wrote:
> >
> > > By the way, dear Sirs and Madams, the new 18-250 zoom lens - when it
> > > will be available?
> >
> > > I may be in dire need to buy one before my trip to Prague, where it
> > > would prove very useful along with one or two of my limited prime lenses.
> >
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Re: PESO - Two by Timmy's

[Adam Maas]

Heh,

The odd angle is entirely my fault ;-)

-Adam


Steve Desjardins wrote:
> The cups look like they are actually attached at some odd angle.  For
> some reason, I'm reminded of the Daleks in the old Dr. Who series. 
> Stuff just stuck onto inverted trash cans at odd angles.  
> 
> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/DalekatBrighton.jpg
> 
> It has been a long day. . . .
> 
 Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 10/2/2007 3:03 PM >>>
> Thanks.
> 
> For some reason I have a hard time resisting shooting discarded drink
> containers. Dunno why, but they fascinate me. So I've been actively
> working on making the shots more interesting. This is IMHO the most
> successful yet.
> 
> -Adam
> 
> 
> Steve Desjardins wrote:
>> I like the composition.  
>>
> "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 10/2/2007 1:03 PM >>>
>> I've had bad coffee, in the race for that accolade, Tim Horton's is 
>> merely adequate. Now Starbucks has everyone brainwashed...
>>
>> David Savage wrote:
>>> LOL. Good one Adam.
>>>
>>> I tortured myself with some of their products earlier this year :-)
>>>
>>> I managed to get on board Tim Horton's Co-founder Ron Joyce's yacht
>>> when I was in Victoria (he's a friend of my cousins mother-in-law):
>>>
>>>
> 
>>> Obviously there's lot's of money to be made in bad coffee :-)
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> On 10/2/07, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>   
 Canada's most common litter.

 http://flickr.com/photos/mawz/1471444293/ 

 Larger/for the flickr-phobic:

 http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1118/1471444293_55957b9807_b.jpg 

 -Adam
 
>>>   
>>
> 
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Re: Chicago PDML and Adobe Max 2007 Conference

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Oct 2, 2007, at 12:48 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

>> Beantown is puzzling.
>
> Well, it's intended to be puzzling, but perhaps it's more so than I
> realized.
> Are you familiar with "The Bean", the enormous shiny metal jellybean
> sculpture in Chicago?

No, not at all.

I find all the curvi stuff and its reflection in the shiny thing  
puzzling to sort out, visually.

G

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Re: PESO: A Man Out Standing in His Field

[Kenneth Waller]

>many of the cows/oxen/bovine types had this little metal cones with tassels 
>that fit onto the >horns.  Quite stylish

Yep. just like the one in the Silence of the Lambs.


Kenneth Waller
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Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 3:49 PM
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> Actually, many of the cows/oxen/bovine types had this little metal cones
> with tassels that fit onto the horns.  Quite stylish.
>
 "Bob W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 10/2/2007 3:04 PM >>>
>>
>> >> http://home.wlu.edu/~desjardins/
>>
>> >
>> >BTW, I'm waiting for Cotty's "reaction" :-)
>>
>> I like his hat.
>>
>
> I like the snout snoods.
>
> Are they wearing them because they're pit bulls?
>
> Bob
>
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Re: DA70 and 24x36 coverage

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Oct 2, 2007, at 12:27 PM, John Francis wrote:

>> Godfrey, I find it incredibly strange that Pentax produced DA 40  
>> and DA
>> 70 that cover full frame (presumably, but most probably so) obviously
>> knowing it and not having advertised it in any way.
>
> Why?  The lenses work just fine with all camera bodies Pentax  
> currently sell.
>
> I doubt if they've even been tested on an old film body to see  
> whether they
> vignette, or whether the corner resolution meets whatever criteria  
> Pentax use.

Exactly. Pentax no longer makes 35mm film SLRs, they're not testing  
DA lenses for use on them. The fact that these lenses are usable is a  
happy accident, not an intent.

Godfrey

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Re: A Man Out Standing in His Field

[Steve Desjardins]

When I checked the metadata, the Tv for this was only 1/750.   The bus
did have to slow up frequently for speed bumps, pot holes, cows, etc.,
so I often took shots when this happened whether or not the view was
good.  The joys of digital.

>>> "Kenneth Waller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 10/2/2007 3:31 PM >>>

One of the best moving bus shots I've had the pleasure of viewing !
;=]
Must have been a very slow moving bus.
Very nice - really.

I propose a horizontal shot to eliminate all the sky above the RH tree
top.

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Subject: PESO: A Man Out Standing in His Field


> Another picture from this pile of shots I'm slowly organizing.
> 
> http://home.wlu.edu/~desjardins/ 
> 
> This, like many of these pictures, was taken from a moving bus with
the
> FA 20-35.  I set everything on the DS to manual and it worked pretty
> well.  I straightened the horizon a bit, resized and used unsharp
mask
> but otherwise unchanged.  I've tried various croppings but just
couldn't
> decide.
> 
> The title, of course, is a classic .
> 
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Re: Chicago PDML and Adobe Max 2007 Conference

[Adam Maas]

Mark Roberts wrote:
> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> 
>> Beantown is puzzling.
> 
> Well, it's intended to be puzzling, but perhaps it's more so than I 
> realized.
> Are you familiar with "The Bean", the enormous shiny metal jellybean 
> sculpture in Chicago?
> 
> 
> BTW: Now all in a web gallery at 
> http://www.robertstech.com/temp/chicago/
> 
> 
> 

Note that Beantown is also a nickname for Boston, hence the possible confusion.

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Re: PESO - Child's Work

[frank theriault]

On 10/1/07, Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Since sidewalk shots have been popular recently on the list, I thought I'd
> add one of mine -
> "Child's Work".
> < http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html >
>
> K10D, 28-80mm SMC FA. 1/60 @ f5.6.
>

Lovely.

cheers,
frank

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Re: PESO - Two by Timmy's

[Steve Desjardins]

The cups look like they are actually attached at some odd angle.  For
some reason, I'm reminded of the Daleks in the old Dr. Who series. 
Stuff just stuck onto inverted trash cans at odd angles.  

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/DalekatBrighton.jpg

It has been a long day. . . .

>>> Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 10/2/2007 3:03 PM >>>
Thanks.

For some reason I have a hard time resisting shooting discarded drink
containers. Dunno why, but they fascinate me. So I've been actively
working on making the shots more interesting. This is IMHO the most
successful yet.

-Adam


Steve Desjardins wrote:
> I like the composition.  
> 
 "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 10/2/2007 1:03 PM >>>
> I've had bad coffee, in the race for that accolade, Tim Horton's is 
> merely adequate. Now Starbucks has everyone brainwashed...
> 
> David Savage wrote:
>> LOL. Good one Adam.
>>
>> I tortured myself with some of their products earlier this year :-)
>>
>> I managed to get on board Tim Horton's Co-founder Ron Joyce's yacht
>> when I was in Victoria (he's a friend of my cousins mother-in-law):
>>
>>
>

>> Obviously there's lot's of money to be made in bad coffee :-)
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On 10/2/07, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>   
>>> Canada's most common litter.
>>>
>>> http://flickr.com/photos/mawz/1471444293/ 
>>>
>>> Larger/for the flickr-phobic:
>>>
>>> http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1118/1471444293_55957b9807_b.jpg 
>>>
>>> -Adam
>>> 
>>   
> 
> 



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Re: DA70 and 24x36 coverage

[Adam Maas]

John Francis wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 02, 2007 at 08:18:49PM +0200, Boris Liberman wrote:
>> Godfrey, I find it incredibly strange that Pentax produced DA 40 and DA 
>> 70 that cover full frame (presumably, but most probably so) obviously 
>> knowing it and not having advertised it in any way.
> 
> Why?  The lenses work just fine with all camera bodies Pentax currently sell.
> 
> I doubt if they've even been tested on an old film body to see whether they
> vignette, or whether the corner resolution meets whatever criteria Pentax use.
> 
> 

The 40's just an update of the M 40/2.8 anyways. And longer lenses are easier 
to get to cover 35mm anyways, there's no reason to worry about coverage on a 
70mm, even a pancake, unlike on a 21 where you need to consider coverage as 
part of the design even on a larger lens than the 21 Limited.

-Adam


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Re: GESO -- Theatre of Dreams

[frank theriault]

On 9/30/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I took these pictures about 14 months ago.
>
> Where I live, Contra Costa County, doesn't have much that is old and  funky.
> Expect for Port Costa, a tiny town beyond Martinez. At one time it was a
> major port in the California SF Bay Area, now it no longer has a pier and it's
> population is about 100-150 or less, probably the smallest town in the area. 
> One
>  of the oldest too -- it only has about three buildings on each side of the
> main  street (which is almost unpaved, because it has so many potholes). There
> is one  restaurant people go to, but that is about the only surviving
> business.
>
> Its so small one would think it hasn't much to shoot... on the other  hand
> it's sort of a surreal little  town.
>
> http://members.aol.com/eactivist/THEATRE/index.html
>

At first I thought these were a bit on the soft side (not offensively
so, but a bit) and I thought they were a teeny bit washed out (could
have used a bit more contrast - but again, nothing offensive).

The more I looked, the more I realized that those two things worked
with the ethereal, anachronistic look to these pix.  Composition is
lovely, as is the gallery.

Wonderful set of pix, Marnie!

cheers,
frank




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RE: PESO: A Man Out Standing in His Field

[Steve Desjardins]

Actually, many of the cows/oxen/bovine types had this little metal cones
with tassels that fit onto the horns.  Quite stylish.

>>> "Bob W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 10/2/2007 3:04 PM >>>
> 
> >> http://home.wlu.edu/~desjardins/ 
> 
> >
> >BTW, I'm waiting for Cotty's "reaction" :-)
> 
> I like his hat.
> 

I like the snout snoods. 

Are they wearing them because they're pit bulls?

Bob


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Re: PESO: A Man Out Standing in His Field

[Kenneth Waller]

Holy Cows ?

Kenneth Waller
http://tinyurl.com/272u2f


- Original Message - 
From: "Steve Desjardins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Subject: Re: PESO: A Man Out Standing in His Field


> You know, I totally missed the fact that this is another cow shot. I
> really need to work on this.
>
 "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 10/2/2007 10:16 AM

> On 10/2/07, Steve Desjardins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Another picture from this pile of shots I'm slowly organizing.
>>
>> http://home.wlu.edu/~desjardins/
>>
>> This, like many of these pictures, was taken from a moving bus with
> the
>> FA 20-35.  I set everything on the DS to manual and it worked pretty
>> well.  I straightened the horizon a bit, resized and used unsharp
> mask
>> but otherwise unchanged.  I've tried various croppings but just
> couldn't
>> decide.
>>
>> The title, of course, is a classic .
>>
>
> And there's cows, too!  (at least some sort of bovine-like creatures).
>
> Cool shot.  On my screen it loaded in b&w first, and a split-second
> later colourized.  That split second makes me wonder if it would look
> good in B&W.
>
> Whatever, I really like this, and I agree with you, leave it framed as
> is.  It works.
>
> cheers,
> frank
>
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Re: Chicago PDML and Adobe Max 2007 Conference

[Mark Roberts]

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

>Beantown is puzzling.

Well, it's intended to be puzzling, but perhaps it's more so than I 
realized.
Are you familiar with "The Bean", the enormous shiny metal jellybean 
sculpture in Chicago?


BTW: Now all in a web gallery at 
http://www.robertstech.com/temp/chicago/



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Re: A Man Out Standing in His Field

[Kenneth Waller]

One of the best moving bus shots I've had the pleasure of viewing ! ;=]
Must have been a very slow moving bus.
Very nice - really.

I propose a horizontal shot to eliminate all the sky above the RH tree top.

Kenneth Waller
http://tinyurl.com/272u2f


- Original Message - 
From: "Steve Desjardins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: PESO: A Man Out Standing in His Field


> Another picture from this pile of shots I'm slowly organizing.
> 
> http://home.wlu.edu/~desjardins/
> 
> This, like many of these pictures, was taken from a moving bus with the
> FA 20-35.  I set everything on the DS to manual and it worked pretty
> well.  I straightened the horizon a bit, resized and used unsharp mask
> but otherwise unchanged.  I've tried various croppings but just couldn't
> decide.
> 
> The title, of course, is a classic .
> 
> Steve


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RE: DA70 and 24x36 coverage

[J. C. O'Connell]

the more functional variables a lens has, the more important the
designation becomes.
jco

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Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 2:39 PM
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: DA70 and 24x36 coverage


It could be.  Wasn't intended as such though.  I apologize.

My point was that if nomenclature on a lens is a big issue, then I want
to 
be in your (whoever's) shoes, because you're living pretty charmed
lives. 
:-)

Tom C.


>From: Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>Subject: Re: DA70 and 24x36 coverage
>Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 20:23:39 +0200
>
>Tom, with all honesty and due respect - this is rather impolite remark.
>
>Respectfully.
>
>Boris
>
>Tom C wrote:
> > Who cares? If you can't think for a couple of milliseconds or can't 
> > be troubled to research a product you're going to plunk money down 
> > for, you probably shouldn't be allowed to press the shutter release.
> >
> > Maybe they should have gone to an incompatible mount just to make 
> > sure
>that
> > people that can't read don't have this problem.
> >
> > Tom C.
> >
> >
> >> From: "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> >> To: "'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'" 
> >> Subject: RE: DA70 and 24x36 coverage
> >> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 14:11:20 -0400
> >>
> >> LETS CLEAR THIS UP. IMHO, a lens series designation
> >> should cover all functionalities like coverage, AF, aperture rings,

> >> optimized for digital etc. They should be all the same within a 
> >> given designation. This is how is was for K/M, A, F lenses so it 
> >> was very clear what you were getting. Now its getting very unclear.
> >> jco
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> >> Behalf Of P. J. Alling
> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 1:39 PM
> >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> >> Subject: Re: DA70 and 24x36 coverage
> >>
> >>
> >> Why? So that you can curse that they don't have aperture rings? 
> >> Give me a break. If a lens incidentally covers a larger format but 
> >> doesn't do
>it
> >>
> >> well, or doesn't have the mechanics to make it useful, then to do 
> >> what you suggest would be a disservice, as well as asking for 
> >> complaints and bad publicity.
> >>
> >>
> >> J. C. O'Connell wrote:
> >>> I disagree, the lenses that fully cover 24x36 should be marked so 
> >>> so there is confusion if you are using both aps and ff bodies. jco
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> >>> Behalf Of P. J. Alling
> >>> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 6:52 PM
> >>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> >>> Subject: Re: DA70 and 24x36 coverage
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> No it's not bad. DA lenses are guaranteed to cover 16x24 but may 
> >>> cover a
> >>>
> >>> larger format. That's the only guaranteed there is. It hurts 
> >>> nothing if they cover a larger format.
> >>>
> >>> J. C. O'Connell wrote:
> >>>
>  If the comments below are true, it's bad. The lens designation 
>  should convey if a lens wont cover 24x36mm IMHO. A APS-C only 
>  lens is not
> >> the
> >>>
>  same thing as a 24x36 lens and there should be an easy way to 
>  know by the lens designation IMHO. jco
> 
>  -Original Message-
>  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
>  Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi
>  Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 3:37 PM
>  To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>  Subject: Re: DA70 and 24x36 coverage
> 
> 
>  On Oct 1, 2007, at 11:46 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:
> 
> 
> > I am asking my question mainly because if it indeed covered full

> > frame
> >
> >
> 
> > and there were no image deterioration past the APC frame, Pentax

> > probably would have given it FDA designation instead of DA.
> >
> >
>  The D-FA mount includes an aperture ring control. DA lenses do 
>  not.
> 
>  The DA70 has no aperture ring control, it was design for use with

>  the digital SLR bodies. Whether it actually covers 24x36 mm 
>  format isn't really relevant to the mount designation.
> 
>  Godfrey
> 
>  ---
>  Not really relevant but interesting:
> 
>  In the course of researching my latest lens acquisition, I saw an

>  article about someone who took an M42 mount Pentax 
>  Fish-Eye-Takumar 17mm lens and cobbled up a mount to fit it on a 
>  6x6 rollfilm folder with behind-lens leaf shutter. His goal was 
>  to make circular fish eye
> 
> >>>
>  images inexpensively ... it produced an image circle ~ 45mm in 
>  diameter on the 6x6 format film, which suited his needs 
>  perfectly.
>  ---
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
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RE: DA70 and 24x36 coverage

[J. C. O'Connell]

I was reffering to any new PENTAX DSLR of course in that context of
reply.
jco

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Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 2:44 PM
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On 10/2/07, J. C. O'Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> any camera that features a ff 35mm sensor that doesnt take PK lenses 
> is foolish jco
>

I dunno, some of those Canons and Nikons are pretty nice cameras.

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RE: DA70 and 24x36 coverage

[Tom C]

There's just some things I don't comprehend I guess.

Tom C.


>From: "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>To: "'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'" 
>Subject: RE: DA70 and 24x36 coverage
>Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 15:09:29 -0400
>
>you seem to not comprehend what a lens series designator is for.
>Its so you KNOW by the designations exactly what type of lens
>you are using, not just buying. i.e. you dont have to remember
>the characteristics for every lens of possibly dozens, just every series
>which is a few.
>jco
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
>Tom C
>Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 2:22 PM
>To: pdml@pdml.net
>Subject: RE: DA70 and 24x36 coverage
>
>
>Who cares? If you can't think for a couple of milliseconds or can't be
>troubled to research a product you're going to plunk money down for, you
>
>probably shouldn't be allowed to press the shutter release.
>
>Maybe they should have gone to an incompatible mount just to make sure
>that
>people that can't read don't have this problem.
>
>Tom C.
>
>
> >From: "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> >To: "'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'" 
> >Subject: RE: DA70 and 24x36 coverage
> >Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 14:11:20 -0400
> >
> >LETS CLEAR THIS UP. IMHO, a lens series designation
> >should cover all functionalities like coverage, AF,
> >aperture rings, optimized for digital etc. They should
> >be all the same within a given designation. This is how is was for K/M,
>
> >A, F lenses so it was very clear what you were getting. Now its getting
>
> >very unclear. jco
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
>
> >P. J. Alling
> >Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 1:39 PM
> >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> >Subject: Re: DA70 and 24x36 coverage
> >
> >
> >Why? So that you can curse that they don't have aperture rings? Give me
>
> >a break. If a lens incidentally covers a larger format but doesn't do
> >it
> >
> >well, or doesn't have the mechanics to make it useful, then to do what
> >you suggest would be a disservice, as well as asking for complaints and
>
> >bad publicity.
> >
> >
> >J. C. O'Connell wrote:
> > > I disagree, the lenses that fully cover 24x36 should be marked so so
>
> > > there is confusion if you are using both aps and ff bodies. jco
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
>
> > > Of P. J. Alling
> > > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 6:52 PM
> > > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> > > Subject: Re: DA70 and 24x36 coverage
> > >
> > >
> > > No it's not bad. DA lenses are guaranteed to cover 16x24 but may
> > > cover
> >
> > > a
> > >
> > > larger format. That's the only guaranteed there is. It hurts nothing
>
> > > if they cover a larger format.
> > >
> > > J. C. O'Connell wrote:
> > >
> > >> If the comments below are true, it's bad. The lens designation
> > >> should convey if a lens wont cover 24x36mm IMHO. A APS-C only lens
> > >> is not
> >the
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >> same thing as a 24x36 lens and there should be an easy way to know
> > >> by the lens designation IMHO. jco
> > >>
> > >> -Original Message-
> > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > >> Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi
> > >> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 3:37 PM
> > >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> > >> Subject: Re: DA70 and 24x36 coverage
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Oct 1, 2007, at 11:46 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> I am asking my question mainly because if it indeed covered full
> > >>> frame
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> and there were no image deterioration past the APC frame, Pentax
> > >>> probably would have given it FDA designation instead of DA.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >> The D-FA mount includes an aperture ring control. DA lenses do not.
> > >>
> > >> The DA70 has no aperture ring control, it was design for use with
> > >> the
> >
> > >> digital SLR bodies. Whether it actually covers 24x36 mm format
> > >> isn't really relevant to the mount designation.
> > >>
> > >> Godfrey
> > >>
> > >> ---
> > >> Not really relevant but interesting:
> > >>
> > >> In the course of researching my latest lens acquisition, I saw an
> > >> article about someone who took an M42 mount Pentax Fish-Eye-Takumar
>
> > >> 17mm lens and cobbled up a mount to fit it on a 6x6 rollfilm folder
>
> > >> with behind-lens leaf shutter. His goal was to make circular fish
> > >> eye
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >> images inexpensively ... it produced an image circle ~ 45mm in
> > >> diameter on the 6x6 format film, which suited his needs perfectly.
> > >> ---
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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Re: DA70 and 24x36 coverage

[John Francis]

On Tue, Oct 02, 2007 at 08:18:49PM +0200, Boris Liberman wrote:
> 
> Godfrey, I find it incredibly strange that Pentax produced DA 40 and DA 
> 70 that cover full frame (presumably, but most probably so) obviously 
> knowing it and not having advertised it in any way.

Why?  The lenses work just fine with all camera bodies Pentax currently sell.

I doubt if they've even been tested on an old film body to see whether they
vignette, or whether the corner resolution meets whatever criteria Pentax use.


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RE: DA70 and 24x36 coverage

[J. C. O'Connell]

series designations give indication to features and functions.
if they arent the same, then there should be different
designations IMHO.COVERAGE should be considered as a function 
of those lenses, not a undocumented bonus you have to remember because
the
desigination is vague.
jco

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P. J. Alling
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 2:46 PM
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There are some things I agree with you on. But in this case you are 
being a complete idiot. If you want to hear yourself argue you can do it

without me.

J. C. O'Connell wrote:
> The "bonus" in this case is the problem. The "bonus"
> lenses should have a different designation, not be
> an unknown "bonus".
> jco
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf 
> Of Godfrey DiGiorgi
> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 12:16 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: DA70 and 24x36 coverage
>
>
> I agree with Tom.
>
> Boris, you're making it much more complicated than reality:
>
> Film body: all lenses up to FA series, include D-FA for full
> coverage. If some DA lenses cover larger format, bonus ... otherwise  
> enjoy the vignette.
>
> DSLR body: all lenses.
>
> That's it.
>
> When I had the MX body, I fitted it with the DA14 lens for a test
> look. It illuminated a circle about 27-28mm wide, cut off at top and  
> bottom by the 24x36 mm format dimension. Perfectly usable (at f/22)  
> for a square format 24x24mm on the 35mm film format, with field of  
> view quite similar to that of a Hasselblad SWC. A body with Program  
> or Shutter Priority capability would have worked the aperture  
> mechanism too.
>
> What's confusing with that?
>
> Godfrey
>
>
> On Oct 2, 2007, at 8:51 AM, Tom C wrote:
>
>   
>> You can use them all on film bodies.  It's just that with some you 
>> get a fancy black frame around a circular image.  :-)
>>
>> Tom C.
>>
>>
>> 
>>> From: "Boris Liberman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>
>>> I guess you're right. Though admit - if you are choosing lenses and
>>> you have both film and digital body, it is extremely confusing which

>>> ones you could use on both bodies and which ones you could use
>>> only on
>>> the digital one.
>>>   
>
>
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Re: DA70 and 24x36 coverage

[Scott Loveless]

J. C. O'Connell wrote:
> you seem to not comprehend what a lens series designator is for.
> Its so you KNOW by the designations exactly what type of lens
> you are using, not just buying. i.e. you dont have to remember
> the characteristics for every lens of possibly dozens, just every series
> which is a few.
> jco
> 

Oh, crap.  Here we go again.

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