Re: Portland Fountains

2007-12-22 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Dec 21, 2007, at 11:39 PM, Polyhead wrote:

 So, wanting to just be yourself, and not intrested in changing how  
 you do things makes you a troll?  I fail to see how you could  
 possibly find any logic in that statement.

I don't know about being a troll.

You invited people to look at your photo website. It proves to have  
poor performance. When people commented on this, you responded with  
attitude and condescension, basically saying I know more than you do  
and I don't give a shit about what you have to say anyway. I guess  
that makes you more of a prat than a troll.

Godfrey


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RE: Portland Fountains

2007-12-22 Thread Bob W
  Read the email sig Ben  'Polyhead' Smith KE7GAL.
  You know the majority of this list have advanced  degrees,
  and about 25% hold Doctorates of one kind or another.
  You being a  'Polyhead' maybe you should tell us the rest of your
  qualifications so we can  be truely impressed.
  Regards,  Bob S.
  

I don't think it's anything to do with qualifications, Bob. It just
means he looks like a parrot.

  
  You're a  patient man, Bob.
 
 I fear he's also somewhat of a foolish one.  The wisest (albeit
 hardest) course of action here would be to refrain from posting.
 Everything I've seen of Polyhead makes me believe he's the
 classic troll - one who feeds on attention, and isn't in the
 least interested in changing his behaviour.
 
 The best thing to do is to simply ignore him - trying to
 engage him in an argument is just letting him pick the rules.
 

it's always fun to poke these creatures with a stick from time to
time, like being a 13 year old again and throwing conkers at a bull to
annoy it.

Bob


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Re: PESO: One More Dana

2007-12-22 Thread Derby Chang
Paul Stenquist wrote:
 Oh why not. This pic has been off my site for some time. But I  
 revisited it with a better rendering and a new crop. No retouching  
 here as far as I can recall. Dana and her impossibly tiny waist:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6759549
 A brotherhood 6x7 production.
 Paul

   

touch finger on tongue...Ss

Yep, hot.

I would have liked a little looser crop, to keep her elbows in shot.

Well done, brother Paul

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Re: PESO Plant Name Query

2007-12-22 Thread Derby Chang
Christine Aguila wrote:
 Hi Everyone:

 Does anyone know the name of this plant?  A friend said maybe of the 
 Milkweed family.  Is it?

 Also, comments  critique welcome, especially on cropping.  I'd like to 
 feature  the wispy things on the right.

 K10D, DA* 50 - 135, at f/something or other, exposed for just a bit.

 Small Horizontal
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6748175

 Larger Horizontal
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6748175size=lg

 Cheers,
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Golden hour magic, Christine

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Re: PESO: Floating on Lilies

2007-12-22 Thread Derby Chang
Bong Manayon wrote:
 Hello...

 Sort of made a new year's resolve - post more often!  And why wait for
 the new year? :-)

 http://www.bong.uni.cc/peso/2007-01.htm

 It's a sunrise shot on a nearby lake.  I was hoping to get a water
 foreground except it strewn with water lilies.  I had to fire the
 built-in flash of the DS for this one.

 Thanks for looking!

 Bong
   

Beautifully balanced lighting, Bong.

The space invaders border is a bit of a distraction, however :)

D

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Re: Portland Fountains

2007-12-22 Thread Polyhead
On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 00:05:25 -0800
Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Dec 21, 2007, at 11:39 PM, Polyhead wrote:
 
  So, wanting to just be yourself, and not intrested in changing how  
  you do things makes you a troll?  I fail to see how you could  
  possibly find any logic in that statement.
 
 I don't know about being a troll.
 
 You invited people to look at your photo website. It proves to have  
 poor performance. When people commented on this, you responded with  
 attitude and condescension, basically saying I know more than you do  
 and I don't give a shit about what you have to say anyway. I guess  
 that makes you more of a prat than a troll.

Well, the comments were about the way i choose to operate the website, not 
about the photo.  As its my site, i'm entitled to operate it any way I wish.  
People insist that PNG is not suitable for web images, it is.  They insist i 
pay for hosting and conform to questionable EULA agreements.  How am I suppose 
to see anything but inferiority in that attitude?  You would have to be 
compleatly stupid to agree to photobuckets EULA.  Basically, you post it there, 
they own it.  Thats a big stick they can come hit you with, 10, 15, 20 years 
down the road.  The fact is, when it comes to websites and image formats, i 
probably DO know more about them than most of the people here.  Rather than 
assume I know what i'm doing, they make the assumption me using PNG was some 
sort of mistake rather than intent.  Their loss really.  I can do better.  With 
freinds like that, who needs an enemy?

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OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-22 Thread Bob W
It was so much simpler when we all had our own orchestra, and a team
of relay runners to bring news of the outside world to our remote
estates. Nowadays it's all RSS feeds and podcasts.

I gave in to the lure of digital radio, and have bought myself a
portable gadget which combines a DAB digital radio, and an mp3 player.
The idea being that I can listen to radio programmes as they happen,
but also automatically download programmes from the BBC and one or 2
other stations that are broadcast at inconvenient times.

I use IE7, which includes a feed reader and I have added several feeds
to the 'Favourites Center' (sp!) - it's very easy to do - and set the
properties to download attached files automatically. For example:
http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/radio4/iot/rss.xml. 

However, I don't seem to get any content coming back when I try to
refresh the feed, and there is no error message of any sort - just a
blank page in the browser tab.

Is anyone else using IE7 for this? If so, how are you getting it to
work? I can't find any useful information about it other than the
basic instructions about what to do. 

I have used other feed readers and they work fine, but I would prefer
to use IE7 because it's convenient and (if I could make it work) easy.


Thanks for any suggestions you can offer.

Regards
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Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-22 Thread Polyhead
On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 09:34:30 -
Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It was so much simpler when we all had our own orchestra, and a team
 of relay runners to bring news of the outside world to our remote
 estates. Nowadays it's all RSS feeds and podcasts.
 
 I gave in to the lure of digital radio, and have bought myself a
 portable gadget which combines a DAB digital radio, and an mp3 player.
 The idea being that I can listen to radio programmes as they happen,
 but also automatically download programmes from the BBC and one or 2
 other stations that are broadcast at inconvenient times.
 
 I use IE7, which includes a feed reader and I have added several feeds
 to the 'Favourites Center' (sp!) - it's very easy to do - and set the
 properties to download attached files automatically. For example:
 http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/radio4/iot/rss.xml. 
 
 However, I don't seem to get any content coming back when I try to
 refresh the feed, and there is no error message of any sort - just a
 blank page in the browser tab.
 
 Is anyone else using IE7 for this? If so, how are you getting it to
 work? I can't find any useful information about it other than the
 basic instructions about what to do. 

The simplest fix for allot of issues is to not use IE.  You'll fix more than 
piss poor way it handles rss feeds.

Give yourself a break, and go download firefox.
http://en-us.www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/
You'll solve IE7's massive security problems, you'll avoid IE7's broken way of 
handling most websites.  And in time, you can learn to avoid M$ all together.

 I have used other feed readers and they work fine, but I would prefer
 to use IE7 because it's convenient and (if I could make it work) easy.
 
 
 Thanks for any suggestions you can offer.
 
 Regards
 Bob
 
 
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Re: Portland Fountains

2007-12-22 Thread Cotty
On 21/12/07, Bob Sullivan, discombobulated, unleashed:

Some longtime contributors with archaic names can get by with
nicknames...  ;-)

Thanks mate ;-)

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Re: test

2007-12-22 Thread Cotty
On 21/12/07, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed:

test

Can you sing that?

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RE: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-22 Thread Bob W
Gee, thanks, that's really helpful. Why didn't I think of that?

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 The simplest fix for allot of issues is to not use IE.  
 You'll fix more than piss poor way it handles rss feeds.
 
 Give yourself a break, and go download firefox.
 http://en-us.www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/
 You'll solve IE7's massive security problems, you'll avoid 
 IE7's broken way of handling most websites.  And in time, you 
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OT: OMG...

2007-12-22 Thread David Savage
...he's turning soft.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=339704

Could it be that his roundhouse kick solution to all problems has been
subverted by a more insidious force:

Lawyers???

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Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-22 Thread Cotty
On 22/12/07, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:

Gee, thanks, that's really helpful. Why didn't I think of that?

Yeah Bob- come on man - wake up.

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Re: Portland Fountains

2007-12-22 Thread David Savage
On Dec 22, 2007 6:05 PM, Polyhead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 00:05:25 -0800
 Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  You invited people to look at your photo website. It proves to have
  poor performance. When people commented on this, you responded with
  attitude and condescension, basically saying I know more than you do
  and I don't give a shit about what you have to say anyway. I guess
  that makes you more of a prat than a troll.

 Well, the comments were about the way i choose to operate the website, not 
 about the photo.

And that's the thing. The shots took too long to open, and most here
had better things to do than wait. People suggested that smaller file
sizes might be more user friendly,  you flew off the handle at the
suggestion of using .jpg's. When the means of viewing is getting in
the way of doing so, it is a valid target for comment  criticism.

You could be the best photographer on the face of the planet with,
many images worth viewing, but because of your refusal to use well
accepted web design practices,  make a few small technical
compromises (that will make no difference to the intent of any image),
many people will just skip over them.

Personally, I dislike computer monitors as a way to view photographs.
I much prefer a good hard copy print. But if I only ever showed my
prints, the number of people who would be able to see and comment on
my photos would be very small indeed.

Dave

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RE: Watch that white balance, folks!

2007-12-22 Thread Rod Connan
It is interesting that I gave similar advice to an image for CC poster in
the Pentax List on DPReview.

This got me an immediate strong admonishment from another person who
apparently liked the flat image and who told me that this may well have been
the artistic intent of the OP and that the advice I gave was poor.

You can't win in being honest and constructive with some people :))

Rod

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken
Waller

 What's white balance?

Better called white point.

I was referring to looking @ the image's histogram in levels  ensuring the 
whitest white in the image was @ the far RH portion of the histogram without

blowing out the details (clipping)  also ensuring the blackest black 
(shadow detail) in the image was @ the far LH portion.  In levels, holding 
the alt/option key gives you a clipping preview as you adjust the white 
point slider. Using the alt/option key, while adjusting the black point 
slider shows you where you're losing shadow detail in the image.

HTH

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RE: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-22 Thread Bob W
 
 On 22/12/07, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
 Gee, thanks, that's really helpful. Why didn't I think of that?
 
 Yeah Bob- come on man - wake up.
 

I'll get a Mac. They're designed for idiots.

Bob


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Re: OT: OMG...

2007-12-22 Thread Polyhead
First let me say, I am homosexual... Next let me say, what a faggot.

 ...he's turning soft.
 
 http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=339704
 
 Could it be that his roundhouse kick solution to all problems has been
 subverted by a more insidious force:
 
 Lawyers???
 
 Cheers,
 
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Re: Portland Fountains

2007-12-22 Thread Polyhead
On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 20:05:23 +0900
David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Dec 22, 2007 6:05 PM, Polyhead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 00:05:25 -0800
  Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   You invited people to look at your photo website. It proves to have
   poor performance. When people commented on this, you responded with
   attitude and condescension, basically saying I know more than you do
   and I don't give a shit about what you have to say anyway. I guess
   that makes you more of a prat than a troll.
 
  Well, the comments were about the way i choose to operate the website, not 
  about the photo.
 
 And that's the thing. The shots took too long to open, and most here
 had better things to do than wait. People suggested that smaller file
 sizes might be more user friendly,  you flew off the handle at the
 suggestion of using .jpg's. When the means of viewing is getting in
 the way of doing so, it is a valid target for comment  criticism.

I flew off the handle? Hardly.  I simply said no, have patience.  You need to 
point that finger where it belongs.

 You could be the best photographer on the face of the planet with,
 many images worth viewing, but because of your refusal to use well
 accepted web design practices,  make a few small technical
 compromises (that will make no difference to the intent of any image),
 many people will just skip over them.

And those many people lacking patience can take a happy boat to hell for all I 
care.  Its the same set of impatient dicks that try to run me off the road.  
The same set of impatient dicks that bitch and moan while waiting in line for 
anything.  I think I JUST might be able to live with it.  If that makes me 
arrogant, then fuck it, let it be.  I don't think I'll be losing any sleep over 
that either.

Its called the gentle art of making enemies.  Make enemies rather than friends, 
otherwise, friends may just make you.

 Personally, I dislike computer monitors as a way to view photographs.
 I much prefer a good hard copy print. But if I only ever showed my
 prints, the number of people who would be able to see and comment on
 my photos would be very small indeed.

Eh, its bigger and brighter than a 4x6.  Its less hassle to setup than a slide 
projector.  Its far from the worst way.  I am disapointed we don't all have 300 
or 400 dpi displays by now.  bt consumerism took over in the computer 
world, and good enough to sell is all the better any of this garbage will 
ever be now.  Want to share photos the hard way, try SSTV on an amateur radio 
sat sometime!

 Dave
 
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Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-22 Thread Polyhead
Choose to use buggy software, choose to use non standards compleint software, 
and get what you deserve.

 On 22/12/07, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
 Gee, thanks, that's really helpful. Why didn't I think of that?
 
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Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-22 Thread Polyhead
On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 11:32:40 -
Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  On 22/12/07, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:
  
  Gee, thanks, that's really helpful. Why didn't I think of that?
  
  Yeah Bob- come on man - wake up.
  
 
 I'll get a Mac. They're designed for idiots.

Well .. they are, in a way... but uhh... designed for idiots that buy hype over 
performance.

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Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-22 Thread David Savage
On Dec 22, 2007 8:30 PM, Polyhead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Choose to use buggy software, choose to use non standards compleint software, 
 and get what you deserve.

Same can be said about choosing to use non standard web design principals.

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Re: Portland Fountains

2007-12-22 Thread David Savage
On Dec 22, 2007 8:27 PM, Polyhead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 20:05:23 +0900
 David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  On Dec 22, 2007 6:05 PM, Polyhead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 00:05:25 -0800
   Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You invited people to look at your photo website. It proves to have
poor performance. When people commented on this, you responded with
attitude and condescension, basically saying I know more than you do
and I don't give a shit about what you have to say anyway. I guess
that makes you more of a prat than a troll.
  
   Well, the comments were about the way i choose to operate the website, 
   not about the photo.
 
  And that's the thing. The shots took too long to open, and most here
  had better things to do than wait. People suggested that smaller file
  sizes might be more user friendly,  you flew off the handle at the
  suggestion of using .jpg's. When the means of viewing is getting in
  the way of doing so, it is a valid target for comment  criticism.

 I flew off the handle? Hardly.  I simply said no, have patience.  You need 
 to point that finger where it belongs.

And everyone here said quite trying to reinvent the wheel.

  You could be the best photographer on the face of the planet with,
  many images worth viewing, but because of your refusal to use well
  accepted web design practices,  make a few small technical
  compromises (that will make no difference to the intent of any image),
  many people will just skip over them.

 And those many people lacking patience can take a happy boat to hell for all 
 I care.

snip

You're also assuming that everyone is using a high speed Internet
connection. 2 minutes for a 600 pixel wide image is just too much.

I can see that trying to discuss anything with you is a waste of time.
You're always right, everyone else is wrong.. I tried, but my patience
(!) has limits.

Cheers,

Dave

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RE: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-22 Thread Bob W
Great. JCO's been carted off to a long-term convalescent home only to
be replaced by some other self-righteous dickhead.

Why is it that none of these people can ever spell properly?

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 Choose to use buggy software, choose to use non standards 
 compleint software, and get what you deserve.
 
  On 22/12/07, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:
  
  Gee, thanks, that's really helpful. Why didn't I think of that?
  
  Yeah Bob- come on man - wake up.
  


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Re: My uncle's photos. Longish.

2007-12-22 Thread Lasse Karlsson
From: Stan Halpin [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Hi, Stan!
Good points.

 I wonder - no dates imprinted on the borders of the slide mounts?
 Standard practice for most processors here in the states...

Later slides, from early 60s onward do have month and year imprinted on the 
borders.
However those from the 50s don't. It seems that many rolls from the 50s were 
just processed and not mounted, which he did himself (or he may have opened 
the original mount and mounted them in glass frames, without making any 
notes on when they were processed, or shot for that matter).

 Two separate thoughts.
 1. Long ago and far away a friend and I assembled a best of the
 year slide show based on slides contributed by members of our
 climbing club. My friend was an editor with National Geographic, and
 in her office she had a light table that has huge - probably 3 meters
 by 1 meter. Made it very easy to lay out dozens and dozens and dozens
 of slides, sort them, rearrange them... You might want to think about
 how to improvise something like that to help in your sorting.

I have two table slide sorters that will allow for some 30 and 40 slides 
being laid out. I'd have use for a couple of more though and have been 
thinking of making another one by using some glass plates and small lights. 
Maybe I can make use of an old flatbed scanner no longer in use and put a 
small light in there.

 2. This situation with your uncle's photos is a case where perfection
 should not be the standard of success! Don't worry if you cannot
 identify each and every person, each venue, and the dates associated.
 Don't think like a historian or archivist, think like a photographer!

I won't worry in case some shots will remain unidentified. There are for 
instance landscape views which are so general it would be impossible to 
identify where they were shot (although in many cases (by looking at 
previous or later shots of the same roll) I can pretty much assume around 
where it must have been shot, close to certain villages or parts of town 
etc.).
And if I have to choose between thinking like a historian/archivist or like 
a photographer I will of course appöy my standrad method of approaching such 
options and choose both of them... :)

However I think that by the help of other people I will be able to pin down 
dates to at least seasons of a year, and in some cases months and maybe even 
specific dates (Midsummer night's eve, Christmas, birthdays of young and 
old, are the kids able to walk yet, funerals, 1st of May, dates of major 
construction works, new street lamp posts, different types of antennas on 
the roofs, almost each year from the late 50s the local harbours have had 
new constructions being made to it, new streets being asphalted certain 
years, new pavements, dates of new ferry boats and ships (almost hundreds of 
them...), stores or offices being opened at certain adresses, particular 
official events, new car models, demolitions etc., etc.).

 Go through and pick out interesting photos - those with good
 natural portraits of people, good scenic and texture and detail.

Yes, that's what I will eventually do.

 Assemble a show and or publish a book of the photos. Get the citizens
 to view the results, they will be glad to help with the
 identification of the historical details. Get local historians and
 librarians involved in the historical part, and you keep on digging
 for the good photographs within the archive.

Yes, I will go along those lines. Luckily I already personally know many 
people that will be of help, at the museum, people who have served in 
community planning, on boards of various companies and shipping lines etc.
I just realized that I also could send a selection of photos to a few 
biologists who can give me an estimate as to when different types of trees, 
flowers and grass will bloom, or not yet ave done so or already did...
Or a zoologist may estimate a date for young birds, or butterflies in case 
I'll spot any...

In a few instances I think a farmer will be able to rougly guess a date 
depending on what farming tools are visible in a shot etc., or when cows 
were allowed/moved to certain areas etc..

I also realize - and I've been thinking about this many times before - that 
I also could make use some sort of a solar clock which would enable me to 
measure the angle/hight of the sunlight, since this actually will be more or 
less exactly repeated each year.
I guess an astronomer could provide me with tables on that for each day. At 
least theorethically you could also accomplish this by making your own solar 
clock - a stick or a pole in the ground and then you you could shoot a 
picture of the shadow it will make each sunny day at certain times of day, 
both it's angle/direction and lenght, etc.. Then by looking at photos you 
could try to read the angle of sun light and determine around what date 
and time of the day it probably was shot. Or in many cases where 
constructions are still there I could go 

Re: PESO: Floating on Lilies

2007-12-22 Thread David Savage
On Dec 22, 2007 3:06 PM, Bong Manayon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello...

 Sort of made a new year's resolve - post more often!  And why wait for
 the new year? :-)

 http://www.bong.uni.cc/peso/2007-01.htm

That is a lovely shot.

2 thumbs up.

Cheers,

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Re: PESO: Floating on Lilies

2007-12-22 Thread Bong Manayon
Oh...I never thought it of that way :) That's suppose to be an
ethic/indigenous design from So.Philippines... :-D

Thanks you, Derby.

On Dec 22, 2007 5:12 PM, Derby Chang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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  Hello...
 
  Sort of made a new year's resolve - post more often!  And why wait for
  the new year? :-)
 
  http://www.bong.uni.cc/peso/2007-01.htm
 
  It's a sunrise shot on a nearby lake.  I was hoping to get a water
  foreground except it strewn with water lilies.  I had to fire the
  built-in flash of the DS for this one.
 
  Thanks for looking!
 
  Bong
 

 Beautifully balanced lighting, Bong.

 The space invaders border is a bit of a distraction, however :)

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Re: test

2007-12-22 Thread Christine Aguila
only in the shower :-) Christine


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Re: Portland Fountains

2007-12-22 Thread Bob Sullivan
Well, I did have some free time.
And the stick was right there.
Besides, it was just a little poke.
(feeling like a 13 year old again...)
Regards,  Bob S.


On Dec 22, 2007 2:49 AM, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Read the email sig Ben  'Polyhead' Smith KE7GAL.
   You know the majority of this list have advanced  degrees,
   and about 25% hold Doctorates of one kind or another.
   You being a  'Polyhead' maybe you should tell us the rest of your
   qualifications so we can  be truely impressed.
   Regards,  Bob S.
  

 I don't think it's anything to do with qualifications, Bob. It just
 means he looks like a parrot.

   
   You're a  patient man, Bob.
 
  I fear he's also somewhat of a foolish one.  The wisest (albeit
  hardest) course of action here would be to refrain from posting.
  Everything I've seen of Polyhead makes me believe he's the
  classic troll - one who feeds on attention, and isn't in the
  least interested in changing his behaviour.
 
  The best thing to do is to simply ignore him - trying to
  engage him in an argument is just letting him pick the rules.
 

 it's always fun to poke these creatures with a stick from time to
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Re: PESO: Floating on Lilies

2007-12-22 Thread Jack Davis
This is a very nice scene. My monitor shows the foreground as just a
little too dark for my taste, but IMO the image has real possibilities!

Jack
--- Bong Manayon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 Sort of made a new year's resolve - post more often!  And why wait
 for
 the new year? :-)
 
 http://www.bong.uni.cc/peso/2007-01.htm
 
 It's a sunrise shot on a nearby lake.  I was hoping to get a water
 foreground except it strewn with water lilies.  I had to fire the
 built-in flash of the DS for this one.
 
 Thanks for looking!
 
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Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-22 Thread Bob Sullivan
No spell checker when you're a Luddite...

On Dec 22, 2007 6:12 AM, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Great. JCO's been carted off to a long-term convalescent home only to
 be replaced by some other self-righteous dickhead.

 Why is it that none of these people can ever spell properly?

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  Choose to use buggy software, choose to use non standards
  compleint software, and get what you deserve.
 
   On 22/12/07, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:
  
   Gee, thanks, that's really helpful. Why didn't I think of that?
  
   Yeah Bob- come on man - wake up.
  


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Re: My uncle's photos. Longish.

2007-12-22 Thread Lasse Karlsson
From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 From: Lasse Karlsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (Not by profession - he was a radio-telegraphist (literally translated
 from Swedish - if you know what his profession would be called in 
 English,
 please report (or in German, French, Spanish and Italian too).

 Radio-telegraphist is OK but radio-telegrapher would be better.

Thanks, Mike.

 I hope you manage to do something with this archive.  For me, when faced 
 with huge tasks like this, the only way is to make sure that I do 
 _something_ every day until it is finished, no matter how small that 
 something is.

Yes, I will later try to follow that routine. However, there simply are some 
initial steps which needs to be done and the only way I can see me getting 
it done is to fully throw myself into it and get it over with fast, or there 
is a chance that the task might seem too big to start off on. In this case I 
just thought better not to think it over too much, just grab the whole mess 
and quickly make it manageable for further work, which can be done the way 
you suggest.

 Maybe a local museum would be interested in getting some of the donkey 
 work (basic scanning) done in return for first consideration of the 
 results?

I've been thinking about it, but for now, until i get a basic order to it, I 
wouldn't like to turn it over to anybody else. Besides, I also realized that 
I am probably the only person who is really able to do it reasonably right 
at this stage - I have enough experience and knowledge of dealing with films 
and images and in my family there is no one else with the same knowledge of 
family history or of how to go about getting information needed, let alone 
the interest to really do the work.

I took the decision to start by just doing rough scans of the earliest and 
most important pictures as a means to more easily sort them and get a better 
overview. Later I will make a selection and try to properly clean them and 
make some archive scans of them.

I have so far limited my work to these early pictures and excluded the great 
amount of later photos. From the 60s onwards the slides will have processing 
dates which will make it easier.
I will also soon sort out the earliest negatives and try to sort these out. 
However, they are at least in various pockets and envelopes, although in 
complete dissarray, why I can deal with them little by little. The early 
slides however needed immediate attention because of their poor and in many 
cases unprotected state.
I will have to make some decisions though as to how to deal with the total 
body of photographs.
Probably will set out to do one, and just one only, look through all the 
slides and negatives and make a selection (and maby some notes) on the spot, 
immediately scan the selected ones etc., till I think I've gone through it 
all, and then see where it leaves me.

The amount of material is so huge that you run the risk of getting lost or 
overwhelmed by it ending up nowhere.

Furthermore, all this time and work that I already spent on my uncle's 
pictures, is something that I'd really need to put into my own stuff, which 
already since long has awaited similar work.

 In any case, I would dearly like to see some of them myself.

I will soon get back to you all with a selection or two.
Maybe I ought to point out that this is not a discovery of an unknown 
treasure of great photography. However there is a lot of good photography 
with local documentary value to it, quite a lot of very good landscape and 
scenery photography, a lot of nice family pictures, and surprisingly (to me) 
many good portraits of family, friends and aquaintences.

Thanks,
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Re: PESO: Floating on Lilies

2007-12-22 Thread Paul Stenquist
Great shot! Love the mood, the rendering and the composition. The  
built-in flash provided just the right amount of illumination.  
However, I would change the framing and crop out the upper half of  
the sky. But it's superb work.
On Dec 22, 2007, at 1:06 AM, Bong Manayon wrote:

 Hello...

 Sort of made a new year's resolve - post more often!  And why wait for
 the new year? :-)

 http://www.bong.uni.cc/peso/2007-01.htm

 It's a sunrise shot on a nearby lake.  I was hoping to get a water
 foreground except it strewn with water lilies.  I had to fire the
 built-in flash of the DS for this one.

 Thanks for looking!

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Re: PESO: One More Dana

2007-12-22 Thread Paul Stenquist
Thanks Derby. This crop was an experiment of sorts. I have more  
frame, quite a bit more, but I wanted to crop where the steel grate  
ends. Maybe that doesn't work. Perhaps I'll show a different crop later.
Paul
On Dec 22, 2007, at 4:18 AM, Derby Chang wrote:

 Paul Stenquist wrote:
 Oh why not. This pic has been off my site for some time. But I
 revisited it with a better rendering and a new crop. No retouching
 here as far as I can recall. Dana and her impossibly tiny waist:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6759549
 A brotherhood 6x7 production.
 Paul



 touch finger on tongue...Ss

 Yep, hot.

 I would have liked a little looser crop, to keep her elbows in shot.

 Well done, brother Paul

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Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-22 Thread David Savage
Please don't paint the poor spellers among us (me included) with the
same tainted brush as those jokers.

Cheers,

Dave

On Dec 22, 2007 10:51 PM, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 No spell checker when you're a Luddite...


 On Dec 22, 2007 6:12 AM, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Great. JCO's been carted off to a long-term convalescent home only to
  be replaced by some other self-righteous dickhead.
 
  Why is it that none of these people can ever spell properly?
 
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On 22/12/07, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:
   
Gee, thanks, that's really helpful. Why didn't I think of that?
   
Yeah Bob- come on man - wake up.

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Re: PESO: A fifties chrome

2007-12-22 Thread Paul Stenquist
Thanks Derby and all others who have responded to this post.  
Actually, I'm starting to experiment more with deep shadows and  
fashion or figure photography. Check out some of the fashion pics in  
Vogue and New York Times Style. Some of the top fashion shooters are  
using shadows in interesting ways.
Paul
On Dec 22, 2007, at 2:31 AM, Derby Chang wrote:

 Good shot and even more interesting story.

 At first the shadow bothered me a bit, but then thinking 'noir', it
 probably works well that way.

 D



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 Thanks Tom. She was actually somewhat cold and troubled. She  
 appeared to be the owner of an expensive clothing store in upscale  
 Birmingham, so when I asked her if she wanted to model I assumed  
 she was much older than she really was. Turned out, she was only  
 19. She had grown up in Toledo, Ohio and had taken up with a young  
 Russian entrepreneur who didn't seem to treat her very well. I  
 think he was angry when he found out she had modeled for me,  
 although this was as sexy and revealing as it got. She didn't like  
 the way she looked in the photos, although not for the reasons you  
 mention. She thought her hair looked bad,  and she had various  
 other complaints. Shortly after this, she ended up pregnant.  
 Several of her boyfriend's  businesses, including the clothing  
 store, failed. They married and moved back to Toledo. Hope she's  
 doing better now.
 Paul
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 Nice job, Paul. But! Always a but, isn't there. She is most  
 likely a very nice
 person but from the photo and her expression I would not want to  
 know her. If
 you were trying for the gangster's girlfriend, or prostitute  
 look you nailed
 it.

 Might make a nice cover for a Private Eye type paperback.

 Graywolf
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 I redid this pic to give it the look of a slightly faded fifties  
 Kodachrome

 transparency. At least it's my interpretation of that look. It  
 was actually shot
 on Portra NC 160 with the 6x7 and 105mm lens.

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Re: PESO Plant Name Query

2007-12-22 Thread Paul Stenquist
Missed this one earlier. Very nice shot. Just enough DOF to keep the  
pod in focus. Looks like a milkweed pod.
Paul
On Dec 22, 2007, at 4:14 AM, Derby Chang wrote:

 Christine Aguila wrote:
 Hi Everyone:

 Does anyone know the name of this plant?  A friend said maybe of the
 Milkweed family.  Is it?

 Also, comments  critique welcome, especially on cropping.  I'd  
 like to
 feature  the wispy things on the right.

 K10D, DA* 50 - 135, at f/something or other, exposed for just a bit.

 Small Horizontal
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6748175

 Larger Horizontal
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6748175size=lg

 Cheers,
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 Golden hour magic, Christine

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Re: PESO: A fifties chrome

2007-12-22 Thread David Savage
On Dec 22, 2007 2:17 AM, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Yup, thats the 50's.:-)

 Its the 60's i have trouble with.

I still struggle to get my head around the concept that time goes back
that far (says the bloke who just recently left his 20's)

vbg

Although from what I've seen in photos from that era certain things
would be...errr...pointier.

;-)

Cheers,

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Re: A few PESO catchups - nephew, pano and salsa

2007-12-22 Thread Bob Sullivan
Derby,
Like Cotty and others said, that's a stunning picture.
Regards,  Bob S.

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 On 20/12/07, Derby Chang, discombobulated, unleashed:

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Re: PESO Plant Name Query

2007-12-22 Thread Bob Sullivan
Sure looks like a milkweed seed pod that hasn't dried out yet...
Regards,  Bob S.

On Dec 21, 2007 3:20 PM, Christine  Aguila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Everyone:

 Does anyone know the name of this plant?  A friend said maybe of the
 Milkweed family.  Is it?

 Also, comments  critique welcome, especially on cropping.  I'd like to
 feature  the wispy things on the right.

 K10D, DA* 50 - 135, at f/something or other, exposed for just a bit.

 Small Horizontal
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6748175

 Larger Horizontal
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Re: PESO - Bene's First Winter

2007-12-22 Thread Bob Sullivan
Thanks for the smile Frank.Bob S.

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 I was walking behind them, and when the little fellow heard me, he
 pulled his master around to scope me out.  He's a ten week old Italian
 something-or-other, as friendly as all get out.  His name is Bene
 (BEN-nay - I don't have accents on this keyboard), and he loves the
 snow.

 http://tinyurl.com/yvyxry

 http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/R2khEY8j2CI/BJI/Vx9CJRaKBIA/s1600-h/dec_18+001.jpg

 Nothing spectacular, just a slice of life, hopefully will put a small
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Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-22 Thread Bob Sullivan
Sorry Dave.  I know you're not one of those folks, just a poor speller.
I skipped reading and spelling, but they made me go back and learn to read.
For spelling, I was lost until computers and spell checker.
(Ever use a thesaurus to find links back to what you can't spell?)

You know when your a real man and write all your own code in machine
language, there just isn't time to write a spell checker.

Regards,  Bob S.

On Dec 22, 2007 8:12 AM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Please don't paint the poor spellers among us (me included) with the
 same tainted brush as those jokers.

 Cheers,

 Dave


 On Dec 22, 2007 10:51 PM, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  No spell checker when you're a Luddite...
 
 
  On Dec 22, 2007 6:12 AM, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Great. JCO's been carted off to a long-term convalescent home only to
   be replaced by some other self-righteous dickhead.
  
   Why is it that none of these people can ever spell properly?
  
   --
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Choose to use buggy software, choose to use non standards
compleint software, and get what you deserve.
   
 On 22/12/07, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:

 Gee, thanks, that's really helpful. Why didn't I think of that?

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Re: Frozen fog and spider webs

2007-12-22 Thread Bob Sullivan
Toine,
Nice gallery and good fog photos.
Spider webs are awesome.
I can't spot the rabbit. (which pix?)
Regards,  Bob S.

On Dec 21, 2007 2:13 PM, Christine  Aguila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Toine:  That's a lovely GESO.  Personal favorites are the 1st 3, but all
 delightful to gaze upon.
 Cheers, Christine


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 Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 2:13 PM
 Subject: GESO: Frozen fog and spider webs


  This week we had the pleasure of lots of frozen fog. The spider webs
  look very fragile:
 
  http://www.repiuk.nl
 
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Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-22 Thread David J Brooks
On Dec 22, 2007 9:34 AM, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Sorry Dave.  I know you're not one of those folks, just a poor speller.
 I skipped reading and spelling, but they made me go back and learn to read.
 For spelling, I was lost until computers and spell checker.
 (Ever use a thesaurus to find links back to what you can't spell?)

Write on Dave.:-)

BTW i'm still giving classes this weak.

Dave

 You know when your a real man and write all your own code in machine
 language, there just isn't time to write a spell checker.

 Regards,  Bob S.


 On Dec 22, 2007 8:12 AM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Please don't paint the poor spellers among us (me included) with the
  same tainted brush as those jokers.
 
  Cheers,
 
  Dave
 
 
  On Dec 22, 2007 10:51 PM, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   No spell checker when you're a Luddite...
  
  
   On Dec 22, 2007 6:12 AM, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Great. JCO's been carted off to a long-term convalescent home only to
be replaced by some other self-righteous dickhead.
   
Why is it that none of these people can ever spell properly?
   
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 Choose to use buggy software, choose to use non standards
 compleint software, and get what you deserve.

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  Gee, thanks, that's really helpful. Why didn't I think of that?
 
  Yeah Bob- come on man - wake up.
 
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Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-22 Thread Doug Franklin
Bob W wrote:

 Why is it that none of these people can ever spell properly?

As a self-righteous dickhead, I take offense at that. :-)

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Re: PESO: Floating on Lilies

2007-12-22 Thread Doug Franklin
Paul Stenquist wrote:
 Great shot! Love the mood, the rendering and the composition. The  
 built-in flash provided just the right amount of illumination.  

I definitely like that shot, Bong, especially the way the boat points 
toward the setting (?rising?) sun, like it's headed there.

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Re: PESO 2007 - 52d - GDG

2007-12-22 Thread Rick Womer
Easy.  Move to a place without pavement.  Sheesh.

(I like this one, too; provided the black thing isn't
a middle finger...)

Rick

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Re: test

2007-12-22 Thread David J Brooks
On Dec 21, 2007 11:29 PM, Christine  Aguila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Turns out it was my vfc card.  Big cheers to Doug.  Christine

Thankfully it was not your Visa card.:-)

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Re: PESO: Floating on Lilies

2007-12-22 Thread David J Brooks
Good eye Bong.

The lighting is very good.

Almost a painting feel to it.

Dave

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 Hello...

 Sort of made a new year's resolve - post more often!  And why wait for
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 http://www.bong.uni.cc/peso/2007-01.htm

 It's a sunrise shot on a nearby lake.  I was hoping to get a water
 foreground except it strewn with water lilies.  I had to fire the
 built-in flash of the DS for this one.

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Re: GESO: Frozen fog and spider webs

2007-12-22 Thread David J Brooks
Some excellent shots in that gallery.

Good work.

Dave

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Peso Valeyntine Church revisited.

2007-12-22 Thread David J Brooks
Shot this church back in the spring, with 16-45. Went back on Monday,
after the snow storm
and shot it again with the 28-105 PZ.


http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6760472

Just not enough width to get what i wanted. Serves me right for taking
only one lens.:-)

K10D, 28-105 PZ PSCS1 and BW filter, red. Cloned out a bit of a sign.

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Re: PESO: Floating on Lilies

2007-12-22 Thread Jack Davis
Boat area a bit too somber/murky for me. I'm going to re-calibrate my
monitor. :)

Jack
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 Great shot! Love the mood, the rendering and the composition. The  
 built-in flash provided just the right amount of illumination.  
 However, I would change the framing and crop out the upper half of  
 the sky. But it's superb work.
 On Dec 22, 2007, at 1:06 AM, Bong Manayon wrote:
 
  Hello...
 
  Sort of made a new year's resolve - post more often!  And why wait
 for
  the new year? :-)
 
  http://www.bong.uni.cc/peso/2007-01.htm
 
  It's a sunrise shot on a nearby lake.  I was hoping to get a water
  foreground except it strewn with water lilies.  I had to fire the
  built-in flash of the DS for this one.
 
  Thanks for looking!
 
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Re: test

2007-12-22 Thread Christine Aguila
How right you are!  Cheers, Christine

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Re: PESO: Floating on Lilies

2007-12-22 Thread Jack Davis
You're right, Paul/Bong/etc. Just finished re-calibrating my monitor
and have to say that the exposure is fine as is. Enough lighter to do
justice to a terrific scene!
Going to have to slap this monitor around from time to time. ;)

Jack
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  On Dec 22, 2007, at 1:06 AM, Bong Manayon wrote:
  
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   Sort of made a new year's resolve - post more often!  And why
 wait
  for
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   It's a sunrise shot on a nearby lake.  I was hoping to get a
 water
   foreground except it strewn with water lilies.  I had to fire the
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   Thanks for looking!
  
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Re: PESO Plant Name Query

2007-12-22 Thread David J Brooks
On Dec 22, 2007 9:09 AM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Missed this one earlier. Very nice shot. Just enough DOF to keep the
 pod in focus. Looks like a milkweed pod.

Sure does.

I like crop that Jack did for you.

The shot itself is nice. Good DOF.


Dave
 Paul

 On Dec 22, 2007, at 4:14 AM, Derby Chang wrote:

  Christine Aguila wrote:
  Hi Everyone:
 
  Does anyone know the name of this plant?  A friend said maybe of the
  Milkweed family.  Is it?
 
  Also, comments  critique welcome, especially on cropping.  I'd
  like to
  feature  the wispy things on the right.
 
  K10D, DA* 50 - 135, at f/something or other, exposed for just a bit.
 
  Small Horizontal
  http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6748175
 
  Larger Horizontal
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  Cheers,
  Christine
 
 
 
 
 
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RE: PESO - Bene's First Winter

2007-12-22 Thread Bob W
  pulled his master around to scope me out.  He's a ten week 
 old Italian
  something-or-other, 

I think he's what biologists call 'a dog'.

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 Thanks for the smile Frank.Bob S.
 
 On Dec 21, 2007 7:43 AM, frank theriault 
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  I was walking behind them, and when the little fellow heard me, he
  pulled his master around to scope me out.  He's a ten week 
 old Italian
  something-or-other, as friendly as all get out.  His name is Bene
  (BEN-nay - I don't have accents on this keyboard), and he loves
the
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  http://tinyurl.com/yvyxry
 
  
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  Nothing spectacular, just a slice of life, hopefully will 
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RE: Portland Fountains

2007-12-22 Thread Bob W
I wonder if Marnie's enjoying the scent of testosterone

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 Well, I did have some free time.
 And the stick was right there.
 Besides, it was just a little poke.
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 Regards,  Bob S.
 
 
 On Dec 22, 2007 2:49 AM, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Read the email sig Ben  'Polyhead' Smith KE7GAL.
You know the majority of this list have advanced  degrees,
and about 25% hold Doctorates of one kind or another.
You being a  'Polyhead' maybe you should tell us the 
 rest of your
qualifications so we can  be truely impressed.
Regards,  Bob S.
   
 
  I don't think it's anything to do with qualifications, Bob. It
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You're a  patient man, Bob.
  
   I fear he's also somewhat of a foolish one.  The wisest (albeit
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   Everything I've seen of Polyhead makes me believe he's the
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Re: Portland Fountains

2007-12-22 Thread David Savage
Is that what that is?

I thought it was 100% pure BS.

Cheers,

Dave

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  Subject: Re: Portland Fountains
 
  Well, I did have some free time.
  And the stick was right there.
  Besides, it was just a little poke.
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Re: Peso Valeyntine Church revisited.

2007-12-22 Thread Charles Robinson
On Dec 22, 2007, at 9:44, David J Brooks wrote:

 Shot this church back in the spring, with 16-45. Went back on Monday,
 after the snow storm
 and shot it again with the 28-105 PZ.


 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6760472

 Just not enough width to get what i wanted. Serves me right for taking
 only one lens.:-)


I agree - it wants to be just a little bit wider.  Well, *I* want it  
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RE: Portland Fountains

2007-12-22 Thread Bob W
Lady chemists have analyzed both substances and found them to be
identical

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 Is that what that is?
 
 I thought it was 100% pure BS.
 
 Cheers,
 
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 On Dec 23, 2007 1:09 AM, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Re: Portland Fountains

2007-12-22 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 12/22/2007 8:48:56 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
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I wonder if Marnie's enjoying the scent of  testosterone

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Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-22 Thread Cotty
On 22/12/07, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:

I'll get a Mac. They're designed for idiots.

I freely admit to being an idiot with computers!!

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Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-22 Thread Cotty


 I'll get a Mac. They're designed for idiots.

On 22/12/07, Polyhead, discombobulated, unleashed:


Well .. they are, in a way... but uhh... designed for idiots that buy
hype over performance.

Not only do I admit to being an idiot, but I also enjoy hype over performance.

My iPhone is absolute crap.

My MacBook Pro is poor with Final Cut Studio, but oddly enough I get
paid to edit video, can't figure that one out.

My Powerbook G3 (2000 vintage) is absolute rubbish, lasts only 9 hours
on two batteries, but I can hook up with my 3G card in most places in
the UK and get my email.

I'm really pisspoor in not realising what insane purchasing decisions I
have made.

I should be flagelated with the business end of a cattle prod.

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Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-22 Thread Cotty
On 22/12/07, Doug Franklin, discombobulated, unleashed:

As a self-righteous dickhead, I take offense at that. :-)

Damn you beat me to it Doug  8-D

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Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-22 Thread graywolf
You're just retro, Dave. Spelling wasn't standardized until 1850 or so.

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 On Dec 22, 2007 9:34 AM, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Sorry Dave.  I know you're not one of those folks, just a poor speller.
 I skipped reading and spelling, but they made me go back and learn to read.
 For spelling, I was lost until computers and spell checker.
 (Ever use a thesaurus to find links back to what you can't spell?)
 
 Write on Dave.:-)
 
 BTW i'm still giving classes this weak.
 
 Dave
 You know when your a real man and write all your own code in machine
 language, there just isn't time to write a spell checker.

 Regards,  Bob S.


 On Dec 22, 2007 8:12 AM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Please don't paint the poor spellers among us (me included) with the
 same tainted brush as those jokers.

 Cheers,

 Dave


 On Dec 22, 2007 10:51 PM, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 No spell checker when you're a Luddite...


 On Dec 22, 2007 6:12 AM, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Great. JCO's been carted off to a long-term convalescent home only to
 be replaced by some other self-righteous dickhead.

 Why is it that none of these people can ever spell properly?

 --
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 Choose to use buggy software, choose to use non standards
 compleint software, and get what you deserve.

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 Gee, thanks, that's really helpful. Why didn't I think of that?
 Yeah Bob- come on man - wake up.
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Re: PESO: Floating on Lilies

2007-12-22 Thread Cotty
On 22/12/07, Bong Manayon, discombobulated, unleashed:

http://www.bong.uni.cc/peso/2007-01.htm


Hey that's a nice shot. I hereby enable you to go get a more powerful
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Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-22 Thread graywolf
Because you are not 16?

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Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-22 Thread David J Brooks
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 I should be flagelated with the business end of a cattle prod.

I know people who could help you on that.

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Re: Portland Fountains

2007-12-22 Thread Bob Sullivan
Oh Hell! I miss some of those good old flame wars.
Can't we have another one?
I pick Bob B., Wheatfield Willy, Malfud, and Valentin for my team.
(some will have to be called out of retirement...)
Regards,  Bob S.

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Re: Portland Fountains

2007-12-22 Thread David J Brooks
I only need Brad

Dave

On Dec 22, 2007 12:51 PM, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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 Can't we have another one?
 I pick Bob B., Wheatfield Willy, Malfud, and Valentin for my team.
 (some will have to be called out of retirement...)
 Regards,  Bob S.


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  I wonder if Marnie's enjoying the scent of  testosterone
 
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  Not enough, yet... to  smell.
 
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Re: Portland Fountains

2007-12-22 Thread graywolf
Which explains a lot. Nothing like having to go to school for twenty or more 
years to make someone irascible.

Need I add a grin?

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Re: Frozen fog and spider webs

2007-12-22 Thread Toine
The rabbit is in picture 2. Try the XL or XXL gallery (the two links
in the bottom part)

On Dec 22, 2007 3:56 PM, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Toine,
 Nice gallery and good fog photos.
 Spider webs are awesome.
 I can't spot the rabbit. (which pix?)
 Regards,  Bob S.

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  Toine:  That's a lovely GESO.  Personal favorites are the 1st 3, but all
  delightful to gaze upon.
  Cheers, Christine
 
 
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  Subject: GESO: Frozen fog and spider webs
 
 
   This week we had the pleasure of lots of frozen fog. The spider webs
   look very fragile:
  
   http://www.repiuk.nl
  
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Re: Portland Fountains

2007-12-22 Thread graywolf
You're OK, Bob.

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 We've met and I'm happy to call you friend.
 Your nickname and mug go together perfectly.
 Regards,  Bob S.
 
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 I can no imagine why someone would use a name like Bob, or George, or Tom

 Hi, my name is Tom Rittenhouse, my friends call me Graywolf.

 Nice to meet you Mister Rittenhouse.

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Re: GESO: Frozen fog and spider webs

2007-12-22 Thread Toine
Bob, Brendan and Dave, Thanks!

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 This week we had the pleasure of lots of frozen fog. The spider webs
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Re: PESO: Floating on Lilies

2007-12-22 Thread Toine
Great shot. The little flash makes the difference

On Dec 22, 2007 7:06 AM, Bong Manayon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello...

 Sort of made a new year's resolve - post more often!  And why wait for
 the new year? :-)

 http://www.bong.uni.cc/peso/2007-01.htm

 It's a sunrise shot on a nearby lake.  I was hoping to get a water
 foreground except it strewn with water lilies.  I had to fire the
 built-in flash of the DS for this one.

 Thanks for looking!

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Re: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-22 Thread David Savage
On Dec 23, 2007 2:51 AM, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Dec 22, 2007 12:28 PM, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 

  I should be flagelated with the business end of a cattle prod.

 I know people who could help you on that.

It probably needs to be done just on principal.

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Re: test

2007-12-22 Thread John Francis

Where's the YouTube clip to prove it?

On Sat, Dec 22, 2007 at 06:59:15AM -0600, Christine  Aguila wrote:
 only in the shower :-) Christine
 
 
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 test
 
  Can you sing that?
 
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Re: (x3) Lunch

2007-12-22 Thread David Savage
On Dec 22, 2007 1:20 AM, Christine  Aguila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dave:  Beer shot very nice-love the composition  color, and I really love
 the angle on the dessert shot--very nice.

Thanks Christine

  Enjoy your holiday break!

Oh I intend to :-)

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Re: (x3) Lunch

2007-12-22 Thread David Savage
On Dec 22, 2007 4:58 AM, Ken Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Makes me hungry Dave! Nicely captured.

Thanks Ken.

It took amazing amounts of self control to actually delay digging in. :-)

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Re: PESO: (x3) Lunch

2007-12-22 Thread David Savage
On Dec 22, 2007 1:09 AM, Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Dec 21, 2007, at 8:38, David Savage wrote:
 
  P.S. I went to 2 other office parties today (held by clients). If I
  had taken my camera to the second one, I suspect most of the guys on
  the list would have enjoyed some shots of the entertainment ;-)
 

 You have failed us what a disappointment.

hangs head

Sorry guy's

 The food looks yummy, though!

Best steak I've had in a while. The prawns  scallops were beautiful too.

Cheers,

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Re: PESO: I Want a (snow)Goose!

2007-12-22 Thread Toine
Wow that's a great photo

On Dec 21, 2007 4:22 PM, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 We see many more Snow geese than Canadas in my area of the Pacific
 flyway.
 We do have a smattering (pun intended) of year around Canadas, but
 virtually no Snow geese accept from Oct to Mar.

 Jack

 http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=278

 --- Toine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Interesting. I understand from wikipedia that they stopped migrating.
  It's nice to see canada geese here in winter, would be strange to see
  a lot of them in summer and most likely a problem.
 
  On Dec 21, 2007 12:01 PM, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
   Not geese in general, just Canada Goose geese. Branta canadensis.
  This is a common, large, agressive bird that very easily outcompetes
  other species in its vicinity.  This results in an area with low bird
  diversity and high levels of, er, goose byproduct.  To cap it, they
  are pretty much inedible as far as humans are concerned.
   
From: Toine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: PESO: I Want a Goose!
   
Why does everyone here hate geese??? In my part of the world we
  try to
protect geese, farmers can get refunds for damaged crops.
Which other species are scheduled for extinction on pdml?
I'm only curious so don't shoot me ;)
   
   
On Dec 21, 2007 9:40 AM, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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 The best way to deal with them is with a 12 guage.

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Re: Portland Fountains

2007-12-22 Thread Bob Sullivan
What I've found here on the pdml is a bunch of people who are usually
quite humble, but of outstanding intelligence.
They don't flaunt it, but many have years of schooling and degrees to
show for it.
Others who don't have the degrees, often have strong intellects and
curiosity and a thirst for knowledge.
This list is capable of discussing a breadth and depth of things from
the ridiculous to the sublime, science  tech to philosophy.
I don't think formal degrees make the man or woman, but would rather
judge by what they say and think.
I think most folks who stick around here share my point of view.
Regards,  Bob S.  (waiting for #1 son to return with the pipes to
install his replacement water heater)


On Dec 22, 2007 12:06 PM, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Which explains a lot. Nothing like having to go to school for twenty or more
 years to make someone irascible.

 Need I add a grin?

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Re: PESO: (x3) Lunch

2007-12-22 Thread David Savage
On Dec 22, 2007 4:33 PM, Derby Chang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Mmm...surf and turf.

That was the first time I've ever had it.

 I always take my camera along to these things. It's good to record
 company history.

I am surrounded by people who despise having their photo taken.

It's like pulling teeth, so generally I don't bother. But I decided to
have another crack this year.

Thanks for looking.

Cheers,

Dave

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Re: Peso Valeyntine Church revisited.

2007-12-22 Thread Bob Sullivan
Dave,
Nice enough, but I would have been tempted to include the whole church
front and sacrifice a bit on the left.  I suppose you couldn't zoom
with your feet...
Regards,  Bob S.

On Dec 22, 2007 9:44 AM, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Shot this church back in the spring, with 16-45. Went back on Monday,
 after the snow storm
 and shot it again with the 28-105 PZ.


 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6760472

 Just not enough width to get what i wanted. Serves me right for taking
 only one lens.:-)

 K10D, 28-105 PZ PSCS1 and BW filter, red. Cloned out a bit of a sign.

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Re: PESO: (x3) Lunch

2007-12-22 Thread David Savage
On Dec 22, 2007 2:58 AM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Nice, especially like the shrimp one. Though  maybe we ought to ban food
 shots on PDML.

Thanks Marnie.

I agree...

 Makes me hungry.

...it's especially evil when you're already hungry :-)

(Same principal as when you're watching cooking shows on the telly)

Cheers,

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RE: PESO: (x3) Lunch

2007-12-22 Thread Bob W
 But I decided to have another crack this year.

that sounds like an expensive operation.

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 -Original Message-
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 Behalf Of David Savage
 Sent: 22 December 2007 18:48
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 Subject: Re: PESO: (x3) Lunch
 
 On Dec 22, 2007 4:33 PM, Derby Chang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Mmm...surf and turf.
 
 That was the first time I've ever had it.
 
  I always take my camera along to these things. It's good to record
  company history.
 
 I am surrounded by people who despise having their photo taken.
 
 It's like pulling teeth, so generally I don't bother. But I decided
to
 have another crack this year.
 
 Thanks for looking.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Dave
 
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Re: Peso Valeyntine Church revisited.

2007-12-22 Thread David Savage
On Dec 23, 2007 3:42 AM, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dave,
 Nice enough, but I would have been tempted to include the whole church
 front and sacrifice a bit on the left.  I suppose you couldn't zoom
 with your feet...

He probably could, but It's tricky with boots on...

Cheers,

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Re: Watch that white balance, folks!

2007-12-22 Thread Toine
Maybe that's why I don't like submitting and voting on Pentax Gallery.
I discovered www.onexposure.net

On Dec 20, 2007 7:12 PM, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I was just doing some peer judging in the Pentax Gallery, getting a bit
 depressed over the stuff that had been submitted, when I came upon one
 rather dismal image that made me think, I wonder what would happen if
 I tweaked this in Photoshop? All that was really wrong with it was
 that the white balance was waaay off. Well, a with the eyedropper gray
 point tool and my reaction was WOW!

 One single click - literally - would have taken this shot from instant
 reject to eye-popping stunner. I realize that whoever submitted the
 photo may have little experience, heck, might not even own Photoshop or
 any other image editor, but I trust some of the people reading this who
 submit to the Gallery do.

 I've seen dozens of shots submitted that could have been utterly
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Re: Portland Fountains

2007-12-22 Thread graywolf
In the real world, you have to sometimes adjust your thinking to the level of 
the people around you. I don't expect you accept that, it took me decades to do 
so myself.

However, I will comment on your photos. The are technically excellent, and 
boring as hell. The sort of thing someone who has taken a class or two on 
photography produces. Certainly not worth the time and effort it took to look 
at 
them. You photo typify why I normally do not comment on photos. They all fall 
into the boring, interesting, or gut-grabbing categories. All too often the 
technically excellent photos seem to be in the boring category; I suppose that 
is because they are do for the photography's sake rather than the pictures 
sake. 
The urge for technical perfection often gets in the way.


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 Well, the comments were about the way i choose to operate the website, not 
 about the photo.  As its my site, i'm entitled to operate it any way I wish.  
 People insist that PNG is not suitable for web images, it is.  They insist i 
 pay for hosting and conform to questionable EULA agreements.  How am I 
 suppose to see anything but inferiority in that attitude?  You would have to 
 be compleatly stupid to agree to photobuckets EULA.  Basically, you post it 
 there, they own it.  Thats a big stick they can come hit you with, 10, 15, 20 
 years down the road.  The fact is, when it comes to websites and image 
 formats, i probably DO know more about them than most of the people here.  
 Rather than assume I know what i'm doing, they make the assumption me using 
 PNG was some sort of mistake rather than intent.  Their loss really.  I can 
 do better.  With freinds like that, who needs an enemy?

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Re: PESO: I Want a (snow)Goose!

2007-12-22 Thread Jack Davis
Thanks, Toine!

Jack
--- Toine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Wow that's a great photo
 
 On Dec 21, 2007 4:22 PM, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  We see many more Snow geese than Canadas in my area of the Pacific
  flyway.
  We do have a smattering (pun intended) of year around Canadas, but
  virtually no Snow geese accept from Oct to Mar.
 
  Jack
 
  http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=278
 
  --- Toine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   Interesting. I understand from wikipedia that they stopped
 migrating.
   It's nice to see canada geese here in winter, would be strange to
 see
   a lot of them in summer and most likely a problem.
  
   On Dec 21, 2007 12:01 PM, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Not geese in general, just Canada Goose geese. Branta
 canadensis.
   This is a common, large, agressive bird that very easily
 outcompetes
   other species in its vicinity.  This results in an area with low
 bird
   diversity and high levels of, er, goose byproduct.  To cap it,
 they
   are pretty much inedible as far as humans are concerned.

 From: Toine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Subject: Re: PESO: I Want a Goose!

 Why does everyone here hate geese??? In my part of the world
 we
   try to
 protect geese, farmers can get refunds for damaged crops.
 Which other species are scheduled for extinction on pdml?
 I'm only curious so don't shoot me ;)


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  On 20/12/07, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
  The best way to deal with them is with a 12 guage.
 
  I would have said napalm.
 
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Re: Portland Fountains

2007-12-22 Thread graywolf
You are agitating, Bob. Doesn't everyone think Bob is agitating? I think Bob is 
agitating.

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 Can't we have another one?
 I pick Bob B., Wheatfield Willy, Malfud, and Valentin for my team.
 (some will have to be called out of retirement...)
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Re: OT: OMG...

2007-12-22 Thread Bob Blakely
 Ben: First let me say, I am homosexual... Next let me say, what a 
 faggot.

What a queer thing to say, Ben.

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Re: Peso Valeyntine Church revisited.

2007-12-22 Thread David Savage
On Dec 23, 2007 12:44 AM, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Shot this church back in the spring, with 16-45. Went back on Monday,
 after the snow storm
 and shot it again with the 28-105 PZ.


 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6760472

 Just not enough width to get what i wanted. Serves me right for taking
 only one lens.:-)

Almost but not quite. A wider lens would have been nice, but I reckon
a square crop doing away with the empty left hand side works.

But it's a very pleasant scene  I think well worth exploring regularly.

Cheers,

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Re: Portland Fountains

2007-12-22 Thread David Savage
On Dec 23, 2007 4:02 AM, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 You are agitating, Bob. Doesn't everyone think Bob is agitating? I think Bob 
 is
 agitating.

LOL

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Re: Peso Valeyntine Church revisited.

2007-12-22 Thread David J Brooks
Thanks Dave and Bob.

I plan to go back 1-2 more times. This time i'll have more fire power:-)

I only had the one camera/lens as the drive was more for some 6x7
shots, but...

Dave

On Dec 22, 2007 2:00 PM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Dec 23, 2007 12:44 AM, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Shot this church back in the spring, with 16-45. Went back on Monday,
  after the snow storm
  and shot it again with the 28-105 PZ.
 
 
  http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6760472
 
  Just not enough width to get what i wanted. Serves me right for taking
  only one lens.:-)

 Almost but not quite. A wider lens would have been nice, but I reckon
 a square crop doing away with the empty left hand side works.

 But it's a very pleasant scene  I think well worth exploring regularly.


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Re: PESO: (x3) Lunch

2007-12-22 Thread David Savage
On Dec 22, 2007 2:21 AM, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Good product shot Dave. The first one is very good.

Thanks Dave

 No waitress shot, I'm disappointed.:-)

They didn't turn out so good. Lowish light, busy waitresses  one
beer, gave those shots a bad imitation of the Theriaultian look :-)

For all those that I posted the camera was being steadied on the table.


Cheers,

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Re: Watch that white balance, folks!

2007-12-22 Thread David J Brooks
On Dec 22, 2007 1:55 PM, Toine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Maybe that's why I don't like submitting and voting on Pentax Gallery.

I just had another rejected. I guess i'll stay content with the four
already accepted.:-)

Dave
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Re: Portland Fountains

2007-12-22 Thread graywolf
Are we on the same mailing list?

I admit that there are a lot of humble people on PDML, they are called lurkers. 
You have to be rather egotistical to actually post here. These eggheads will 
tear you apart if you can not operate at their level. No wonder poor Poly is so 
defensive.

Strangely I have better things to do, but this is as good a way of avoiding 
them 
as any GRIN.

BTW, did I ever mention my shock and dismay over how HTML does not like my 
GRIN?

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Re: PESO - Hopeful

2007-12-22 Thread Rick Womer
Outstanding, Bruce.

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RE: OT: The modern world confuses me

2007-12-22 Thread Bob W
 I should be flagelated with the business end of a cattle prod.
 

do they do an iProd?

 Poly wanna cracker?
 
 

Pieces of 'ate! Pieces of 'ate!

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 To: pentax list
 Subject: Re: OT: The modern world confuses me
 
 
 
  I'll get a Mac. They're designed for idiots.
 
 On 22/12/07, Polyhead, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
 
 Well .. they are, in a way... but uhh... designed for idiots that
buy
 hype over performance.
 
 Not only do I admit to being an idiot, but I also enjoy hype 
 over performance.
 
 My iPhone is absolute crap.
 
 My MacBook Pro is poor with Final Cut Studio, but oddly enough I get
 paid to edit video, can't figure that one out.
 
 My Powerbook G3 (2000 vintage) is absolute rubbish, lasts only 9
hours
 on two batteries, but I can hook up with my 3G card in most places
in
 the UK and get my email.
 
 I'm really pisspoor in not realising what insane purchasing 
 decisions I
 have made.
 
 I should be flagelated with the business end of a cattle prod.
 
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Re: Peso Valeyntine Church revisited.

2007-12-22 Thread graywolf
Time to learn how to do panos, Dave.

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David J Brooks wrote:

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6760472
 
 Just not enough width to get what i wanted. Serves me right for taking
 only one lens.:-)

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