Re: PEOW: Darius @ 4 1/2

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

What a great smile! Excellent. :-)

Godfrey


On Mar 24, 2008, at 11:46 PM, Jay Taylor wrote:
> http://i.pbase.com/o6/87/63987/1/94669414.1vVExfb9.IGP0214.jpg
> Captured with the K20D & FA*300/4.5/Aperture priority mode.


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Re: PEOW: Darius @ 4 1/2

[David Savage]

That's a great portrait Jay. Technically & "emotionally" (for lack of
a better term)

Cheers,

Dave

On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 3:46 PM, Jay Taylor
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> Greetings PDMLers,
>  Been awhile since I've posted, but I still check in from time to time.
>  Thought I would post a recent shot of my grandson Darius now that
>  he's such a big boy. This was from a recent family vacation  (our
>  first together) in Oahu, Hawaii.
>  http://i.pbase.com/o6/87/63987/1/94669414.1vVExfb9.IGP0214.jpg
>  Captured with the K20D & FA*300/4.5/Aperture priority mode.
>
>  Thanks for looking,
>  JayT

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Peso, Peow, Geso... ?

[Marcus A. Hofmann]

I was wondering what PESO, PEOW, GESO etc. mean?

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Re: PESO - The Chocolateer

[AlunFoto]

2008/3/24, frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> What really struck me about this guy was that he obviously loves what
> he's doing, and he loves chocolate!  He was ~very~ passionate about
> his vocation, and his chocolates were real works of art.

It's a great shot, Frank.

His love obviously doesn't include ingestion, though. :-)

Immunization by exposure, I guess.

I heard a naughty story about a friend of a friend who got a job at
the Freia chocolate factory here in Oslo. On the first day he was
shown around the factory and learned that one of his tasks was to
remove cosmetically imperfect pieces from a conveyor belt. He asked if
he was allowed to sample them now and then. His superior told him,
with a completely straight face, that he was expected to eat them
all...

Immunization took just one day... :-)

Jostein


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PESO: Easter Lily again

[Derby Chang]

Hi everyone,

A designer friend of mine asked me to take some shots of her clothes, 
date set for a month's time (ANZAC day weekend, how Aussie is she), with 
the stipluation that we shoot in her house (makes for easy outfit 
changes). Not that much light there, so I thought it was about time I 
got myself some monoflashes. A quick browse on epray, and I got myself a 
handy dandy set of cheapie lights for under $A300 shipped from China. 
Two flashes, stands, three umbrellas, one softbox, and some nifty remote 
syncs. Did a quickie test tonight...

http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/08_03/08_03_easterlily/01.htm

Lights are easy to use, but, is it just me, or are softboxes a royal 
pain to wrestle together? Got there in the end, but I think I'll have to 
practice more to avoid looking daggy in front of the models.

D

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Re: Re: The psychology of fanbois

[mike wilson]

> 
> From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2008/03/24 Mon PM 02:59:47 GMT
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> Subject: Re: The psychology of fanbois
> 
> Bob Sullivan wrote:
> > Apple and Leica aren't products, they are religions.
> 
> And not just *any* religion: The strongest resemblance is to the Church 
> of Scientology!
> 
> (and just to piss of *everybody*, I'd add that Harley-Davidson falls 
> into the same category, at least here in the U.S.)

I find myself strangely unpissed.  But, then, I think BMW runs HD a very close 
second.


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Re: Peso, Peow, Geso... ?

[Cotty]

On 25/3/08, Marcus A. Hofmann, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I was wondering what PESO, PEOW, GESO etc. mean?

Have a look at this page:



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Re: PEOW: Darius @ 4 1/2

[Paul Stenquist]

Excellent shot of a handsome  young man. Beautiful bokeh.
Paul
On Mar 25, 2008, at 2:46 AM, Jay Taylor wrote:
> Greetings PDMLers,
> Been awhile since I've posted, but I still check in from time to time.
> Thought I would post a recent shot of my grandson Darius now that
> he's such a big boy. This was from a recent family vacation  (our
> first together) in Oahu, Hawaii.
> http://i.pbase.com/o6/87/63987/1/94669414.1vVExfb9.IGP0214.jpg
> Captured with the K20D & FA*300/4.5/Aperture priority mode.
>
> Thanks for looking,
> JayT
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RE: Not a Peso: Can someone identify this bird?

[mike wilson]

> 
> From: "Bob W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2008/03/24 Mon PM 08:56:35 GMT
> To: "'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'" 
> Subject: RE: Not a Peso: Can someone identify this bird?
> 
> That looks like a bittern. They're very rare over here. I'd love to
> see one.
> 
> Bob 

Here's a British one.  Not quite the same markings but you can see the family 
resemblance.
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/clan.doyle/bittern/

> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> > Behalf Of P. J. Alling
> > Sent: 24 March 2008 19:16
> > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> > Subject: Not a Peso: Can someone identify this bird?
> > 
> > While I was out shooting on easter, someone pointed out this 
> > little guy 
> > hiding in the rushes.  I think he's some kind of rail but I 
> > can't find 
> > anything that looks like him in any identification guide.  
> > (That doesn't 
> > mean he's not there just that I'm not much of a birder).  The image 
> > isn't technically all that good, it's the center 1/6th of a the
> frame 
> > and to get even this close I had to combine the Vivitar S1 600mm
> with 
> > the 1.7x adapter.  So there are all kinds of problems with the
> image.
> > 
> > http://www.mindspring.com/~distilfink/PESO%20--%20whatami.html
> > 
> > Anyone who can help thanks in advance.
> > 
> 
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Re: PEOW: Darius @ 4 1/2

[Derby Chang]

Snap! That's exactly just what I was going to say Paul. Gorgeous 
lighting and cheeky boy, too.

D



Paul Stenquist wrote:
> Excellent shot of a handsome  young man. Beautiful bokeh.
> Paul
> On Mar 25, 2008, at 2:46 AM, Jay Taylor wrote:
>   
>> Greetings PDMLers,
>> Been awhile since I've posted, but I still check in from time to time.
>> Thought I would post a recent shot of my grandson Darius now that
>> he's such a big boy. This was from a recent family vacation  (our
>> first together) in Oahu, Hawaii.
>> http://i.pbase.com/o6/87/63987/1/94669414.1vVExfb9.IGP0214.jpg
>> Captured with the K20D & FA*300/4.5/Aperture priority mode.
>>
>> Thanks for looking,
>> JayT
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Re: Pentax SLR lineup

[Derby Chang]

I'm sure the Zenit KM is being produced (but, man that is an ugly 
camera). And if you count rangefinders, Cosina/Voigtlander are still 
going great guns.

Is the Rollei/Zeiss/Cosina 35RF still in production? I've seen it new in 
the shops, but it might have been NOS as well. That beauty is the 
opposite of Zenit.

D




Adam Maas wrote:
> Only Canon continues to sell a full line of Film SLR's, and that's
> likely as much a case of having a large number of NOS items as
> anything else. Nikon still makes one and also sells a second and
> Cosina makes a number of semi-identical ones including the second
> Nikon. There's also a chinese manufacturer who makes semi-clones of
> the Cosina as well as K100 clones and of course Leica who still makes
> the R9.
>
> Everybody else is out of the 35mm gig.
>
> -Adam
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 6:41 PM, Barry Rice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Hey Folks,
>>
>> I use a K10D with satisfying results. Last week I learned for the first time
>> about the K20D. Yeah, I've been out of things! But I'm really intrigued that
>> I can't find any information on film SLRs on the Pentax web site, or at the
>> major vendors.
>>
>> Has Pentax stopped making film SLRs? I admit that it has been a couple of
>> years since I shot anything with my ZX-5nI've got a freezer full of
>> Velvia!
>>
>> Barry
>>
>>
>> Barry A. Rice, Ph.D.
>> Invasive Species Specialist
>> Invasive Species Team
>> The Nature Conservancy
>> V: 530-754-8891
>> http://tncweeds.ucdavis.edu
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Re: Pentax SLR lineup

[David Savage]

On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 7:54 PM, Derby Chang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm sure the Zenit KM is being produced (but, man that is an ugly
>  camera). And if you count rangefinders, Cosina/Voigtlander are still
>  going great guns.

One of the local snappers here I chat with is totally fed up with
digital capture & is going to offload his 5D, 135mm, 85mm etc. etc and
is planning on getting a V Bessa (probably the R2A).

He just doesn't enjoy the digital process (& modern film SLR's) &
finds all the bells & whistles of modern cameras get in the way of
taking photos.

Cheers,

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Re: Not a Peso: Can someone identify this bird?

[David J Brooks]

On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 6:26 PM, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You should be taken outside and shot for that. Or at least beaten
>  severely with a stick.

Good, we have already done banana's.

Dave
>
>
>
>  > -Original Message-
>  > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>
> > Behalf Of John Francis
>  > Sent: 24 March 2008 20:59
>  > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>
> > Subject: Re: Not a Peso: Can someone identify this bird?
>  >
>  >
>  > They're not the easiest birds to get to see.  Hence the
>  > popular expression "once bittern, twice shy".
>  >
>  >
>  > On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 08:56:35PM -, Bob W wrote:
>  > > That looks like a bittern. They're very rare over here. I'd love
>  to
>  > > see one.
>  > >
>  > > Bob
>  > >
>  [...]
>
>
> > > >
>  > > > http://www.mindspring.com/~distilfink/PESO%20--%20whatami.html
>  > > >
>  > > > Anyone who can help thanks in advance.
>  > > >
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Re: K10D back to Pentax

[David J Brooks]

Thanks Doug.
This is when i miss having Dad around. He would have given me an
answer like yours.:-)

Dave

On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 6:45 PM, Doug Franklin
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> David J Brooks wrote:
>
>  > I asked how they test for this, and part of what i remember is that he
>  > described it as hooking up the test unit for a car to see what codes
>  > are showing.
>
>  Well, that's step one.  A company producing something like DSLRs would
>  typically engineer a "socket" onto the circuit boards somewhere.  When
>  the right equipment is attached to that "socket", it can talk directly
>  to the circuitry on the board, ask the board to self-diagnose, and maybe
>  even perform tests that the in-camera circuitry can't.  That's typically
>  step one of any Problem Determination Process (PDP) for advanced or
>  complex digital gear that has(a) processor(s) on board.
>
>  For checking optical alignment, they're likely to use a device called a
>  collimator.  For a house like Pentax, there would typically be at least
>  two rigs: one for camera bodies and one for lenses.  The purpose is the
>  same, but the hardware is different.
>
>  The basic idea of an optical collimator is to send a beam of light of
>  known characteristics across a "gap" to a receiver.  The receiver can
>  interpret the received beam of light in terms useful to the diagnostic
>  procedure (there are different types for different purposes).  In
>  grossly simplified form, to use the collimator, you set up the rig with
>  the equipment under test in the "gap" and compare the characteristics of
>  the received signal to the transmitted signal's characteristics.
>
>  I used to use laser collimators to align digital (paper) scanners, back
>  in the day.  On those units, the sender was a precision engineered unit
>  that positioned a laser very precisely above the scanner's platen.  In
>  this scenario, the scanner's sensor is the receiver.  Put the sender in
>  configuration "A", position the scanner's mirror at "X", and only the
>  leftmost "K" pixels should be showing a reading, the max amplitude
>  should be "M", and the standard deviation of the amplitude falloff
>  should be "S".  Repeat at a dozen or two dozen locations on the platen,
>  if everything is aligned.
>
>  With those few measurements you could diagnose and correct nearly any
>  alignment defect between the platen, sensor, and stationary and moving
>  mirror assemblies, if the engineers put the right adjustment hardware in
>  all the right places.
>
>
>  > I'm not having much faith now, i don't trust those code readers at 
> garages.:-)
>
>  Well, they're reporting the system's self-diagnosis.  Sometimes that's
>  like asking a psychopath if he's crazy ... you're asking a defective
>  instrument to measure itself and report back.  That's obviously "fraught
>  with peril". :-)
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Re: PESO - The Chocolateer

[David J Brooks]

On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 5:05 AM, AlunFoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 2008/3/24, frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > What really struck me about this guy was that he obviously loves what
>  > he's doing, and he loves chocolate!  He was ~very~ passionate about
>  > his vocation, and his chocolates were real works of art.
>
>  It's a great shot, Frank.
>
>  His love obviously doesn't include ingestion, though. :-)
>
>  Immunization by exposure, I guess.
>
>  I heard a naughty story about a friend of a friend who got a job at
>  the Freia chocolate factory here in Oslo. On the first day he was
>  shown around the factory and learned that one of his tasks was to
>  remove cosmetically imperfect pieces from a conveyor belt. He asked if
>  he was allowed to sample them now and then. His superior told him,
>  with a completely straight face, that he was expected to eat them
>  all...

Remainds me of the I love lucy episode, were they worked in the
chocolate factory.:-)

Dave
>
>  Immunization took just one day... :-)
>
>  Jostein
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Re: PESO: There's no bad weather

[David J Brooks]

On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 2:27 AM, David Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > A typical, lovely spring ride over Belgian pave:
>  >
>  > http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2001/apr01/parisroubaix/FShincapie.jpg
>
>  NZ road riding rule #1: never draft a sheep truck.

We have that rule here to. They make lousy hockey players.

Dave
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>  - Dave
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Re: Australia Trip -- New Lens

[David J Brooks]

On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 9:13 AM, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  Good ol' Cesar.
>
>  Packs not only for his worst case scenario but everyone else's too.
>
>  Cheers,
>
>  Dave

He can bring one less bag, as i won't be there this year.:-(

Dave
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Re: The world is over

[David J Brooks]

On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 7:35 PM, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  - Original Message -
>  From: "frank theriault"
>  Subject: Re: The world is over
>
>
>
> > On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Scott Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  >>
>  >
>  >>  This is pathetic.  I'm gonna go sleeve some film.
>  >
>  > Shut up or I'll cuff ya in the head.
>
>  A Hem!!
>  Sew, when will all this foolishness end?

When i can think of something with belt loop in it.:-)

Dave
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>  William Robb
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PESO - Stairway to the Stars

[frank theriault]

A horrible title, but I was listening Ella on the weekend:

http://tinyurl.com/28h2d5

http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/R-jssKIJ9yI/Btw/94pZPKqjRlE/s1600-h/mar_25_08+005.jpg

I'm working on a new title...

Comments always welcome.

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Re: K10D back to Pentax

[Doug Franklin]

David J Brooks wrote:

> This is when i miss having Dad around. He would have given me an
> answer like yours.:-)

The long and detailed part or the "ask a psychopath to self-diagnose" 
part? :-)

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Re: PESO: Easter Lily again

[Jack Davis]

Really nice lighting and renderings. DOF makes the shots.
Best of "luck" on the bout with the soft box and model shoot.

Jack
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> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> A designer friend of mine asked me to take some shots of her clothes,
> 
> date set for a month's time (ANZAC day weekend, how Aussie is she),
> with 
> the stipluation that we shoot in her house (makes for easy outfit 
> changes). Not that much light there, so I thought it was about time I
> 
> got myself some monoflashes. A quick browse on epray, and I got
> myself a 
> handy dandy set of cheapie lights for under $A300 shipped from China.
> 
> Two flashes, stands, three umbrellas, one softbox, and some nifty
> remote 
> syncs. Did a quickie test tonight...
> 
> http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/08_03/08_03_easterlily/01.htm
> 
> Lights are easy to use, but, is it just me, or are softboxes a royal 
> pain to wrestle together? Got there in the end, but I think I'll have
> to 
> practice more to avoid looking daggy in front of the models.
> 
> D
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Re: Pentax SLR lineup

[Adam Maas]

The Rollei 35RF is dead, but the Zeiss Ikon has taken over its role
and is a truely different design, not a slightly warmed over Cosina.

-Adam

On 3/25/08, Derby Chang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm sure the Zenit KM is being produced (but, man that is an ugly
>  camera). And if you count rangefinders, Cosina/Voigtlander are still
>  going great guns.
>
>  Is the Rollei/Zeiss/Cosina 35RF still in production? I've seen it new in
>  the shops, but it might have been NOS as well. That beauty is the
>  opposite of Zenit.
>
>  D
>
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>  Adam Maas wrote:
>  > Only Canon continues to sell a full line of Film SLR's, and that's
>  > likely as much a case of having a large number of NOS items as
>  > anything else. Nikon still makes one and also sells a second and
>  > Cosina makes a number of semi-identical ones including the second
>  > Nikon. There's also a chinese manufacturer who makes semi-clones of
>  > the Cosina as well as K100 clones and of course Leica who still makes
>  > the R9.
>  >
>  > Everybody else is out of the 35mm gig.
>  >
>  > -Adam
>  >
>  >
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>  >
>  >> Hey Folks,
>  >>
>  >> I use a K10D with satisfying results. Last week I learned for the first 
> time
>  >> about the K20D. Yeah, I've been out of things! But I'm really intrigued 
> that
>  >> I can't find any information on film SLRs on the Pentax web site, or at 
> the
>  >> major vendors.
>  >>
>  >> Has Pentax stopped making film SLRs? I admit that it has been a couple of
>  >> years since I shot anything with my ZX-5nI've got a freezer full of
>  >> Velvia!
>  >>
>  >> Barry
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> Barry A. Rice, Ph.D.
>  >> Invasive Species Specialist
>  >> Invasive Species Team
>  >> The Nature Conservancy
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Re: PESO: Young Bikers

[frank theriault]

On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 1:27 PM, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


>  Frank can help you with the tilt.:-0
>

Sometimes a bit of tilt can make a static shot look more dynamic.

Or, sometimes I just can't hold the camera straight...

;-)

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Re: The world is over

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On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 8:07 PM, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  >  >>  This is pathetic.  I'm gonna go sleeve some film.
>  >  >
>  >  > Shut up or I'll cuff ya in the head.
>  >
>  >  A Hem!!
>  >  Sew, when will all this foolishness end?
>
>  When i can think of something with belt loop in it.:-)

I'm panting with anticipation.

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Re: PESO - Stairway to the Stars

[Jack Davis]

Makes me think of, "up the down staircase". Like the total stair step
background and very well done conversion.

Jack
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> A horrible title, but I was listening Ella on the weekend:
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/28h2d5
> 
>
http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/R-jssKIJ9yI/Btw/94pZPKqjRlE/s1600-h/mar_25_08+005.jpg
> 
> I'm working on a new title...
> 
> Comments always welcome.
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[Fwd: Re: PESO - Stairway to the Stars]

[Doug Franklin]

frank theriault wrote:

> http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/R-jssKIJ9yI/Btw/94pZPKqjRlE/s1600-h/mar_25_08+005.jpg

Just wait until I show you what I think was a ramp of some sorts on
steps in Plovdiv last month.  Our first thought was "wheelchair ramp",
but we hope that's not it, as the slope is like regular stairs, 20
degrees or more.  In fact, it was just two metal "U" shapes bolted to a
staircase very much like the one in your photo.

Here's the snapshot as I hurried by on my way somewhere else:

http://nutdriver.org/Plovdiv-Stair-Ramp.jpg

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Re: PESO - Stairway to the Stars

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frank theriault wrote:

> http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/R-jssKIJ9yI/Btw/94pZPKqjRlE/s1600-h/mar_25_08+005.jpg

Just wait until I show you what I think was a ramp of some sorts on 
steps in Plovdiv last month.  Our first thought was "wheelchair ramp", 
but we hope that's not it, as the slope is like regular stairs, 20 
degrees or more.  In fact, it was just two metal "U" shapes bolted to a 
staircase very much like the one in your photo.

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Re: PESO: Easter Lily again

[frank theriault]

On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 5:52 AM, Derby Chang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  Hi everyone,
>
>  A designer friend of mine asked me to take some shots of her clothes,
>  date set for a month's time (ANZAC day weekend, how Aussie is she), with
>  the stipluation that we shoot in her house (makes for easy outfit
>  changes). Not that much light there, so I thought it was about time I
>  got myself some monoflashes. A quick browse on epray, and I got myself a
>  handy dandy set of cheapie lights for under $A300 shipped from China.
>  Two flashes, stands, three umbrellas, one softbox, and some nifty remote
>  syncs. Did a quickie test tonight...
>
>  http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/08_03/08_03_easterlily/01.htm
>
>  Lights are easy to use, but, is it just me, or are softboxes a royal
>  pain to wrestle together? Got there in the end, but I think I'll have to
>  practice more to avoid looking daggy in front of the models.
>

Both are gorgeous!

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Re: PESO - Stairway to the Stars

[P. J. Alling]

I learned a long time ago how to straighten horizons in post...

frank theriault wrote:
> A horrible title, but I was listening Ella on the weekend:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/28h2d5
>
> http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/R-jssKIJ9yI/Btw/94pZPKqjRlE/s1600-h/mar_25_08+005.jpg
>
> I'm working on a new title...
>
> Comments always welcome.
>
> cheers,
> frank
>
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Re: Not a Peso: Can someone identify this bird?

[AlunFoto]

No need to be peckish. :-)

Jostein

2008/3/24, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> AAARRR.
>
> John Francis wrote:
> > They're not the easiest birds to get to see.  Hence the
> > popular expression "once bittern, twice shy".
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 08:56:35PM -, Bob W wrote:
> >
> >> That looks like a bittern. They're very rare over here. I'd love to
> >> see one.
> >>
> >> Bob
> >>
> >>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> >>> Behalf Of P. J. Alling
> >>> Sent: 24 March 2008 19:16
> >>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> >>> Subject: Not a Peso: Can someone identify this bird?
> >>>
> >>> While I was out shooting on easter, someone pointed out this
> >>> little guy
> >>> hiding in the rushes.  I think he's some kind of rail but I
> >>> can't find
> >>> anything that looks like him in any identification guide.
> >>> (That doesn't
> >>> mean he's not there just that I'm not much of a birder).  The image
> >>> isn't technically all that good, it's the center 1/6th of a the
> >>>
> >> frame
> >>
> >>> and to get even this close I had to combine the Vivitar S1 600mm
> >>>
> >> with
> >>
> >>> the 1.7x adapter.  So there are all kinds of problems with the
> >>>
> >> image.
> >>
> >>> http://www.mindspring.com/~distilfink/PESO%20--%20whatami.html
> >>>
> >>> Anyone who can help thanks in advance.
> >>>
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Re: [Fwd: Re: PESO - Stairway to the Stars]

[Charles Robinson]

On Mar 25, 2008, at 7:53, Doug Franklin wrote:
> frank theriault wrote:
>
>> http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/R-jssKIJ9yI/Btw/94pZPKqjRlE/s1600-h/mar_25_08+005.jpg
>
> Just wait until I show you what I think was a ramp of some sorts on
> steps in Plovdiv last month.  Our first thought was "wheelchair ramp",
> but we hope that's not it, as the slope is like regular stairs, 20
> degrees or more.  In fact, it was just two metal "U" shapes bolted  
> to a
> staircase very much like the one in your photo.
>
> Here's the snapshot as I hurried by on my way somewhere else:
>
> http://nutdriver.org/Plovdiv-Stair-Ramp.jpg
>

That's to help you bring a bike up/down the stairs.  You can run the  
wheels in the track and push it by the handlebars, rather than having  
to carry the bike.

  -Charles

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Re: Australia Trip -- New Lens

[frank theriault]

On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 8:09 AM, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  He can bring one less bag, as i won't be there this year.:-(

You won't be there either, Dave?

Bummer.

There won't be a GTA contingent for the first time in a few years...

:-(

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Re: PESO -- The Egret has Landed

[AlunFoto]

Peter,
>From Adelheid's and my trip to USA in 2004, I remember sneaking up
very, very quietly on a White Egret in Assateague Nat'l. park to get a
picture. But after a couple of close encounters with White Egrets in
Florida (the classic Mousewitz tour), I really wonder how shy these
birds really are.

How tolerant of humans are these critters are where you live?

Jostein

2008/3/25, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Yes I know a very long way around for a play on words, a very bad play
> on words.
>
> http://www.mindspring.com/~distilfink/PESO%20--%20theegrethaslanded.html
>
> Equipment: Pentax *ist-D/smc Pentax A*300mm f4.0/snc F 1.7x AF Adapter
>
> Note:  Once again about 2/3 of the original frame.
>
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Re: Not a Peso: Can someone identify this bird?

[Christian]

These pun threads are for the birds...

Christian

AlunFoto wrote:
> No need to be peckish. :-)
> 
> Jostein
> 
> 2008/3/24, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> AAARRR.
>>
>> John Francis wrote:
>>> They're not the easiest birds to get to see.  Hence the
>>> popular expression "once bittern, twice shy".

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Re: Peso, Peow, Geso... ?

[AlunFoto]

OT: means off-topic, ie. no pentax content. Ie. superfluous most of the time.

All the others indicate people posting links to pictures.

Jostein

2008/3/25, Marcus A. Hofmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I was wondering what PESO, PEOW, GESO etc. mean?
>
> -Marcus
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Re: PESO -- The Egret has Landed

[P. J. Alling]

Fairly Tolerant, this guy came in for a landing with two humans, (and a 
dog), in plain sight a long stones throw away.  I was able to get within 
a 30 feet of this one a few years ago, (picture taken with an LX and 
M*300),  He came closer but was actual too close for the 300 to focus on 
him.

http://www.mindspring.com/~palling/photography/gallery3/photographs/Egret03.jpg

These birds are nothing compared to how brazen the Great Blue Herons are 
in Florida, they stand 10 feet away from you and almost dare you to come 
closer.

AlunFoto wrote:
> Peter,
> >From Adelheid's and my trip to USA in 2004, I remember sneaking up
> very, very quietly on a White Egret in Assateague Nat'l. park to get a
> picture. But after a couple of close encounters with White Egrets in
> Florida (the classic Mousewitz tour), I really wonder how shy these
> birds really are.
>
> How tolerant of humans are these critters are where you live?
>
> Jostein
>
> 2008/3/25, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>   
>> Yes I know a very long way around for a play on words, a very bad play
>> on words.
>>
>> http://www.mindspring.com/~distilfink/PESO%20--%20theegrethaslanded.html
>>
>> Equipment: Pentax *ist-D/smc Pentax A*300mm f4.0/snc F 1.7x AF Adapter
>>
>> Note:  Once again about 2/3 of the original frame.
>>
>> As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.
>>
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Re: Re: The psychology of fanbois

[AlunFoto]

Over here, the most brand-fanatic car owners have Landrovers.
Defenders, of course. :-)

Jostein

2008/3/25, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> >
> > From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: 2008/03/24 Mon PM 02:59:47 GMT
> > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> > Subject: Re: The psychology of fanbois
> >
> > Bob Sullivan wrote:
> > > Apple and Leica aren't products, they are religions.
> >
> > And not just *any* religion: The strongest resemblance is to the Church
> > of Scientology!
> >
> > (and just to piss of *everybody*, I'd add that Harley-Davidson falls
> > into the same category, at least here in the U.S.)
>
> I find myself strangely unpissed.  But, then, I think BMW runs HD a very 
> close second.
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Re: Pentax SLR lineup

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Mar 25, 2008, at 4:02 AM, David Savage wrote:
> ... is planning on getting a V Bessa (probably the R2A).

I've been tempted more than once by the Voigtländer R3A fitted with a  
Nokton 40mm f/1.4. It's a lovely camera. I just don't think I'd  
actually use it enough to warrant spending the money.

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Re: PESO - Stairway to the Stars

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Mar 25, 2008, at 5:25 AM, frank theriault wrote:
> A horrible title, but I was listening Ella on the weekend:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/28h2d5
>
> http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/R-jssKIJ9yI/Btw/94pZPKqjRlE/s1600-h/mar_25_08+005.jpg

Title notwithstanding, excellent shot. :-)

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Re: PESO - Stairway to the Stars

[pnstenquist]

Excellent. Nicely composed and rendered. Good eye, good timing.
PPaul
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From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> A horrible title, but I was listening Ella on the weekend:
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/28h2d5
> 
> http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/R-jssKIJ9yI/Btw/94pZPKqjRlE/s1600-h/
> mar_25_08+005.jpg
> 
> I'm working on a new title...
> 
> Comments always welcome.
> 
> cheers,
> frank
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Re: Peso, Peow, Geso... ?

[P. J. Alling]

I always thought that OT meant On Topic, since so many of the other 
posts not labeled OT are off topic, if not off the wall...

AlunFoto wrote:
> OT: means off-topic, ie. no pentax content. Ie. superfluous most of the time.
>
> All the others indicate people posting links to pictures.
>
> Jostein
>
> 2008/3/25, Marcus A. Hofmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
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>> I was wondering what PESO, PEOW, GESO etc. mean?
>>
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Re: Peso, Peow, Geso... ?

[David Savage]

Peso is pesto without a t

Peow is the sound made when you say something bad about Apple products
and the Macheads defensive shield comes up.

Geso is an Italian Geezer.

Paw is what we call our Dad

HTH

Cheers,

Dave

On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Marcus A. Hofmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I was wondering what PESO, PEOW, GESO etc. mean?
>
>  -Marcus

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Re: Pentax SLR lineup

[David Savage]

On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 10:50 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  On Mar 25, 2008, at 4:02 AM, David Savage wrote:
>  > ... is planning on getting a V Bessa (probably the R2A).
>
>  I've been tempted more than once by the Voigtländer R3A fitted with a
>  Nokton 40mm f/1.4. It's a lovely camera. I just don't think I'd
>  actually use it enough to warrant spending the money.

Chatting with him tonight he's going down to check out that exact
combination tomorrow.

He's pretty full on into film. You can go on a shoot with him during
the day & the images will be uploaded either that night or the next.

Cheers,

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Re: Peso, Peow, Geso... ?

[David Savage]

Don't listen to Jostein, he's just pulling your leg.

Cheers.

Dave

On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 10:39 PM, AlunFoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> OT: means off-topic, ie. no pentax content. Ie. superfluous most of the time.
>
>  All the others indicate people posting links to pictures.
>
>  Jostein
>
>  2008/3/25, Marcus A. Hofmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>
> > I was wondering what PESO, PEOW, GESO etc. mean?

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Re: [Fwd: Re: PESO - Stairway to the Stars]

[David Savage]

On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 9:53 PM, Doug Franklin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> frank theriault wrote:
>
>  > 
> http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/R-jssKIJ9yI/Btw/94pZPKqjRlE/s1600-h/mar_25_08+005.jpg
>
>
> Just wait until I show you what I think was a ramp of some sorts on
>  steps in Plovdiv last month.  Our first thought was "wheelchair ramp",
>  but we hope that's not it, as the slope is like regular stairs, 20
>  degrees or more.  In fact, it was just two metal "U" shapes bolted to a
>  staircase very much like the one in your photo.
>
>  Here's the snapshot as I hurried by on my way somewhere else:
>
>  http://nutdriver.org/Plovdiv-Stair-Ramp.jpg

If they had had that setup on the stairs at the train station in the
"Untouchables" there is no way that they would have been able to save
the kid.

We also wouldn't have had to listen to that anoying clack clack sound either.

:-)

Cheers,

Dave

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Re: PESO - Stairway to the Stars

[David Savage]

"Assent from hell"
"Mount Everest tourist route"

I dunno. I suck a titles...

It doesn't matter what you call it. I like the picture.

Cheers,

Dave


On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 9:25 PM, frank theriault
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A horrible title, but I was listening Ella on the weekend:
>
>  http://tinyurl.com/28h2d5
>
>  
> http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/R-jssKIJ9yI/Btw/94pZPKqjRlE/s1600-h/mar_25_08+005.jpg
>
>  I'm working on a new title...
>
>  Comments always welcome.

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Re: PESO - Stairway to the Stars

[Rick Womer]

I really like it, despite the title.

Rick

--- frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> A horrible title, but I was listening Ella on the
> weekend:
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/28h2d5
> 
>
http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/R-jssKIJ9yI/Btw/94pZPKqjRlE/s1600-h/mar_25_08+005.jpg
> 
> I'm working on a new title...
> 
> Comments always welcome.
> 
> cheers,
> frank
> 
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Re: Not a Peso: Can someone identify this bird?

[Ken Waller]

> It looks like the Loch Ness monster, run aground...

My first impression also...

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> It looks like the Loch Ness monster, run aground...
> 
> --- "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> While I was out shooting on easter, someone pointed
>> out this little guy 
>> hiding in the rushes.  I think he's some kind of
>> rail but I can't find 
>> anything that looks like him in any identification
>> guide.  (That doesn't 
>> mean he's not there just that I'm not much of a
>> birder).  The image 
>> isn't technically all that good, it's the center
>> 1/6th of a the frame 
>> and to get even this close I had to combine the
>> Vivitar S1 600mm with 
>> the 1.7x adapter.  So there are all kinds of
>> problems with the image.
>> 
>>
> http://www.mindspring.com/~distilfink/PESO%20--%20whatami.html
>> 
>> Anyone who can help thanks in advance.
>> 
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RE: PESO: Optio W20 is a true all- weather camera

[Henk Terhell]

Jostein, thanks. Indeed we had lots of clouds with hail and snow and
then suddenly sunshine again. Henk.

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"more rain to come" is great! Amazing how brooding the sky looks, and
with those puddles in the foreground. Almost as if the greenhouses
awaits a hailstorm doom.

Best,
Jostein

2008/3/22, Henk Terhell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> As I keep the Optio W20 in the side pocket of my trousers, there are
> many more chances to record sudden changes in weather which we have in

> Holland these days.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/2349410751/in/photostream/
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/2349409955/in/photostream/
>
> Any comments of course welcome
>
> Henk
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Re: GESO: Stitched panoramas

[AlunFoto]

Good move to gather all those in one page, Mark. :-)
Nice to see them again and fingers crossed for the sale.

Btw, it seems they now accept panos into the Pentax gallery. There's
one in the accepted batch from yesterday.

Jostein

2008/3/23, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Yesterday I went out for my usual Saturday morning run with friends. We
> run 12-16 miles around North Park, just north (duh) of Pittsburgh, then
> have coffee & bagels and visit the running shop next to the bagel place.
> Last Christmas I gave the running shop a print of one of my panoramas, a
> shot of Point State Park with a runner which they framed and put in the
> window.
>
> So yesterday the manager of the shop tells me that someone from the
> Pittsburgh Sports/Exhibition Authority came in, saw the photo and wanted
> to find out about buying one. I sent an email and will probably be in
> touch later this week, but in the meantime I thought I should at least
> put the photo up on my web site. And while I was at it I decided to put
> a selection of my best stitched panoramas on one page. So here it is:
>
> http://www.robertstech.com/panos.htm
>
> I think I've shown all of these in the past at one time or another (and
> the Montrichard shot just last week), but there may be one or two that
> are completely new. (Then again, maybe not!)
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Re: The world is over

[Ken Waller]

> Subject: Re: The world is over
>
>
>>
> > >  Worse still, he's going commando.
>  >
>  > Is that an off the cuff remark.:-)
>
>  As long as you keep it brief, lads...

 Geee. String together a few more of these & we'll have a proper pun
 thread going.
>>>
>>>I thought he was trying to get a leg up
>>
>> Seams like . . .
>
>. . . we're in stitches over lack of britches & tryin to pun on the
> fly

Gee, we really knee...d these.

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Re: Easter Lily again

[Ken Waller]

Very nice captures.

Love the black backgrounds for highlighting the subject.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Derby Chang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: PESO: Easter Lily again


>
> Hi everyone,
>
> A designer friend of mine asked me to take some shots of her clothes,
> date set for a month's time (ANZAC day weekend, how Aussie is she), with
> the stipluation that we shoot in her house (makes for easy outfit
> changes). Not that much light there, so I thought it was about time I
> got myself some monoflashes. A quick browse on epray, and I got myself a
> handy dandy set of cheapie lights for under $A300 shipped from China.
> Two flashes, stands, three umbrellas, one softbox, and some nifty remote
> syncs. Did a quickie test tonight...
>
> http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/08_03/08_03_easterlily/01.htm
>
> Lights are easy to use, but, is it just me, or are softboxes a royal
> pain to wrestle together? Got there in the end, but I think I'll have to
> practice more to avoid looking daggy in front of the models.
>
> D
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Re: The world is over

[Gonz]

I had to replace my electric charcoal starter for my barbeque (a major
food group here) recently, and as I walked through my local home
improvement store, I dreaded the possibility that it would be made in
China along with pretty much everything else there.  When I picked it
up, I turned it over and it read "Made in the U.S.A." .  I almost
cried with joy.  I bought two.

Gonz

On 3/23/08, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>  - Original Message -
>  From: "Boris Liberman"
>  Subject: OT: The world is over
>
>
>  > Hi!
>  >
>  > I went today to one of the local shops to buy me a pair of trousers.
>  > Apparently the shelves were almost empty. So, I asked salesperson, when
>  > do you expect a new shipment? We don't was the answer. The Olympics in
>  > China are the reason.
>  >
>  > I chuckled and went out of the shop...
>
>
> I did a quick survey a while back, and concluded that it is now virtually 
> impossible to live
>  without Chinese manufactured goods, as there are, in many instances, no 
> options to buy non
>  Chinese manufactured products.
>
>  What this means to me is that it is very difficult to not buy products 
> manufactured in what I
>  consider to be a human rights nightmare.
>  I prefer to support economies that are not built on slave labour, I would 
> rather not support
>  regimes that use an iron fist to squash freedom of speech and association or 
> legitimate protest
>  against the governing power.
>
>  What this also means is that China now has the economic clout to pretty much 
> shut down any
>  country that crosses it by protesting the way it mistreats it's citizens 
> (the onging abuses in
>  Tibet as an example) by cutting off trade to that country.
>
>  Don't chuckle too much...
>
>
>  William Robb
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Re: PESO - Stairway to the Stars

[Ken Waller]

> I'm working on a new title...

Up the down stairs ?

Good capture.

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From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: PESO - Stairway to the Stars


>A horrible title, but I was listening Ella on the weekend:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/28h2d5
>
> http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/R-jssKIJ9yI/Btw/94pZPKqjRlE/s1600-h/mar_25_08+005.jpg
>
>
> Comments always welcome.
>
> cheers,
> frank
>
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Re: The world is over

[Ken Waller]

Subject: Re: The world is over


>>  >  >>  This is pathetic.  I'm gonna go sleeve some film.
>>  >  >
>>  >  > Shut up or I'll cuff ya in the head.
>>  >
>>  >  A Hem!!
>>  >  Sew, when will all this foolishness end?
>>
>>  When i can think of something with belt loop in it.:-)
> 
> I'm panting with anticipation.

Such a waist...


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Re: PEOW: Darius @ 4 1/2

[Bob Sullivan]

Wow, they grow up fast!
Nice picture Jay.
Regards,  Bob S.

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> Been awhile since I've posted, but I still check in from time to time.
> Thought I would post a recent shot of my grandson Darius now that
> he's such a big boy. This was from a recent family vacation  (our
> first together) in Oahu, Hawaii.
> http://i.pbase.com/o6/87/63987/1/94669414.1vVExfb9.IGP0214.jpg
> Captured with the K20D & FA*300/4.5/Aperture priority mode.
>
> Thanks for looking,
> JayT
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Re: Easter Lily again

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Derby Chang"
Subject: PESO: Easter Lily again



>
> http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/08_03/08_03_easterlily/01.htm
>
> Lights are easy to use, but, is it just me, or are softboxes a royal
> pain to wrestle together? Got there in the end, but I think I'll have to
> practice more to avoid looking daggy in front of the models.
>

Soft boxes are a pain on several levels. They can be hard to assemble (the 
umbrella styles ones 
are easy enough, Moonlights are just about the most difficult). They can also 
be just about the 
most difficult things to get nice light out of as well. I find that with the 
flat front surface 
the light is remarkably hard, with no wrap or modeling. I prefer umbrellas to 
soft boxes, they 
don't put out especially nice light either, but a moron can set them up and get 
acceptable 
light.
Pans and dish reflectors are the hardest to control, but the results are head 
and shoulders 
above anything else I've seen.
Like most things, the effort you put into the learning process pays dividends 
with the results.

Most pros use soft boxes and umbrellas these days because they just don't know 
any better. 
Umbrellas hit the market in the late 60s/early 70s and steel pans just stopped 
being used. Very 
few people even know what they are anymore.

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Re: Peso, Peow, Geso... ?

[AlunFoto]

Whose leg?!? :-)

Jostein


2008/3/25, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Don't listen to Jostein, he's just pulling your leg.
>
> Cheers.
>
> Dave
>
> On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 10:39 PM, AlunFoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > OT: means off-topic, ie. no pentax content. Ie. superfluous most of the 
> > time.
> >
> >  All the others indicate people posting links to pictures.
> >
> >  Jostein
> >
> >  2008/3/25, Marcus A. Hofmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> >
> > > I was wondering what PESO, PEOW, GESO etc. mean?
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Re: Easter Lily again

[Charles Robinson]

On Mar 25, 2008, at 9:59, William Robb wrote:
>  I prefer umbrellas to soft boxes, they
> don't put out especially nice light either, but a moron can set them  
> up and get acceptable
> light.

Sounds like precisely my kind of equipment.  Moron-proof!  :-)

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Re: The psychology of fanbois

[mike wilson]

AlunFoto wrote:
> Over here, the most brand-fanatic car owners have Landrovers.
> Defenders, of course. :-)

There's another sort?

> 
> Jostein
> 
> 2008/3/25, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
>>>From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>Date: 2008/03/24 Mon PM 02:59:47 GMT
>>>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>>>Subject: Re: The psychology of fanbois
>>>
>>>Bob Sullivan wrote:
>>>
Apple and Leica aren't products, they are religions.
>>>
>>>And not just *any* religion: The strongest resemblance is to the Church
>>>of Scientology!
>>>
>>>(and just to piss of *everybody*, I'd add that Harley-Davidson falls
>>>into the same category, at least here in the U.S.)
>>
>>I find myself strangely unpissed.  But, then, I think BMW runs HD a very 
>>close second.
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Re: Peso, Peow, Geso... ?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Mar 25, 2008, at 6:55 AM, David Savage wrote:
> Peow is the sound made when you say something bad about Apple products
> and the Macheads defensive shield comes up.

What do you call imbeciles who jeer condescendingly at people with  
better computers?
Windows users?

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Re: Pentax SLR lineup

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Mar 25, 2008, at 6:59 AM, David Savage wrote:
>> I've been tempted more than once by the Voigtländer R3A fitted with a
>> Nokton 40mm f/1.4. It's a lovely camera. I just don't think I'd
>> actually use it enough to warrant spending the money.
>
> Chatting with him tonight he's going down to check out that exact
> combination tomorrow.

It's an excellent body/lens combination and reasonably priced for what  
it provides. I like the flexibility of aperture priority exposure  
automation and metered manual together .. It's what I normally use  
with the DSLRs anyway.

> He's pretty full on into film. You can go on a shoot with him during
> the day & the images will be uploaded either that night or the next.

Nothing wrong with that. When I worked with film, I liked to process  
the same day I shot too. It's just quite a lot more tedious work, imo,  
than digital capture with little tangible benefits to offer at this  
point.

I see it as a means of providing 'creative constraint' ... limiting  
yourself to just so many exposures, just that spectral response,  
speed, grain, etc frees you to work within the boundaries in a  
different way compared to digital capture.

Perhaps I'll pull out my lovely little Contax Tix and some Advantix  
B&W to do some of it. At least then the film processing is done at a 1  
hour lab and the negative scanning can be fully automated with no  
manual film handling at all. I already own the film and camera, the  
scanner and automated APS film carrier, so zero expense other than  
film processing costs. And the Contax has a superb Zeiss lens with  
just the right focal length... :-)

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Re: Easter Lily again

[David Savage]

On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 11:59 PM, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  Most pros use soft boxes and umbrellas these days because they just don't 
> know any better.
>  Umbrellas hit the market in the late 60s/early 70s and steel pans just 
> stopped being used. Very
>  few people even know what they are anymore.

Going by what I've read on the DPReview lighting forum the beauty dish
seems to be undergoing a bit of a renaissance.

Cheers,

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Re: Re: The psychology of fanbois

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "mike wilson"
Subject: Re: Re: The psychology of fanbois



>>
>> (and just to piss of *everybody*, I'd add that Harley-Davidson falls
>> into the same category, at least here in the U.S.)
>
> I find myself strangely unpissed.  But, then, I think BMW runs HD a very 
> close second.

I've owned both. The Beemer was very nice indeed, but I never developed any 
sort of attachment 
to it. It was just a machine.
Were I to buy another bike, it's a toss up between HD and Victory. If your 
going to buy a 
cruiser, you may as well buy the real thing.

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Re: Peso, Peow, Geso... ?

[David Savage]

On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 12:10 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  On Mar 25, 2008, at 6:55 AM, David Savage wrote:
>  > Peow is the sound made when you say something bad about Apple products
>  > and the Macheads defensive shield comes up.
>
>  What do you call imbeciles who jeer condescendingly at people with
>  better computers?

So everyone else heard that Peow sound right?

>  Windows users?

Meh! It's just a computer.

Cheers,

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Re: Easter Lily again

[William Robb]

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Subject: Re: Easter Lily again



> 
> Going by what I've read on the DPReview lighting forum the beauty dish
> seems to be undergoing a bit of a renaissance.

Excellent. My photography style is coming back into fashion.

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Re: Peso, Peow, Geso... ?

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
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Subject: Re: Peso, Peow, Geso... ?



> What do you call imbeciles who jeer condescendingly at people with  
> better computers?

Macheads.
WW

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Re: Easter Lily again

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Charles Robinson"
Subject: Re: Easter Lily again


> On Mar 25, 2008, at 9:59, William Robb wrote:
>>  I prefer umbrellas to soft boxes, they
>> don't put out especially nice light either, but a moron can set them
>> up and get acceptable
>> light.
>
> Sounds like precisely my kind of equipment.  Moron-proof!  :-)

I've used them extensively when doing set-ups for schools or location weddings 
where I don't 
know what I'm walking in to. All you have to do is set an umbrella up somewhere 
in the room and 
point it somewhat towards the subject and you will get relatively OK light. You 
can do better 
than that by using more care, but I don't think they give better light than 
pans, no matter how 
carefuly they are used, presuming you know what you are doing with pans, which 
have to be used 
quite a bit more carefully, as they always have a hotter center with the light 
feathering off 
towards the edges.
Umbrellas and soft boxes put out very even light, which is why they are so easy 
to use.

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Re: The world is over

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On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Ken Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  Subject: Re: The world is over
>
>
>
> >>  >  >>  This is pathetic.  I'm gonna go sleeve some film.
>  >>  >  >
>  >>  >  > Shut up or I'll cuff ya in the head.
>  >>  >
>  >>  >  A Hem!!
>  >>  >  Sew, when will all this foolishness end?
>  >>
>  >>  When i can think of something with belt loop in it.:-)
>  >
>  > I'm panting with anticipation.
>
>  Such a waist...

Come on Ken, belt it out.

Dave
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Re: K10D back to Pentax

[David J Brooks]

Long and detailed part.

He would have said the other part after i had left the room.:-)

Dave

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>
>  > This is when i miss having Dad around. He would have given me an
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>
>  The long and detailed part or the "ask a psychopath to self-diagnose"
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Re: PESO - Stairway to the Stars

[David J Brooks]

How about "Girl climbing stairs, only going the wrong way, with a back
pack, that contains some unknow stuff, mostly in focus and some tilt
to the line work".

BTW i like the shot.

Dave

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> A horrible title, but I was listening Ella on the weekend:
>
>  http://tinyurl.com/28h2d5
>
>  
> http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/R-jssKIJ9yI/Btw/94pZPKqjRlE/s1600-h/mar_25_08+005.jpg
>
>  I'm working on a new title...
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Re: Easter Lily again

[David J Brooks]

I like how is seems to float

Dave

On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 10:47 AM, Ken Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Very nice captures.
>
>  Love the black backgrounds for highlighting the subject.
>
>  Kenneth Waller
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>
>  - Original Message -
>  From: "Derby Chang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  Subject: PESO: Easter Lily again
>
>
>  >
>  > Hi everyone,
>  >
>  > A designer friend of mine asked me to take some shots of her clothes,
>  > date set for a month's time (ANZAC day weekend, how Aussie is she), with
>  > the stipluation that we shoot in her house (makes for easy outfit
>  > changes). Not that much light there, so I thought it was about time I
>  > got myself some monoflashes. A quick browse on epray, and I got myself a
>  > handy dandy set of cheapie lights for under $A300 shipped from China.
>  > Two flashes, stands, three umbrellas, one softbox, and some nifty remote
>  > syncs. Did a quickie test tonight...
>  >
>  > http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/08_03/08_03_easterlily/01.htm
>  >
>  > Lights are easy to use, but, is it just me, or are softboxes a royal
>  > pain to wrestle together? Got there in the end, but I think I'll have to
>  > practice more to avoid looking daggy in front of the models.
>  >
>  > D
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Re: Pentax SLR lineup

[David Savage]

On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 12:07 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  I see it as a means of providing 'creative constraint' ... limiting
>  yourself to just so many exposures, just that spectral response,
>  speed, grain, etc frees you to work within the boundaries in a
>  different way compared to digital capture.

And as he freely admitted he lacks the personal disciple to use the
DSLR in the same fashion. Also he's primarily into street shooting,
the 5D isn't a subtle piece of equipment for that type of work.

He raised some interesting points while I was talking to him. The one
thing many people like about digital is the freedom to experiment &
shoot things you normally wouldn't. His view was while that is good it
can also have the effect of diluting/blurring the photographers focus
(no pun intended). I don't know. it was an interesting discussion in
any event.

BTW, not long after I wrote that he was going to look at the R3A, he
found a buyer for the 5D :-)

Cheers,

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Re: PESO - Stairway to the Stars

[David J Brooks]

On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 9:54 AM, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I learned a long time ago how to straighten horizons in post...

So, the world IS flat. I knew it.

Dave
>
>
>  frank theriault wrote:
>  > A horrible title, but I was listening Ella on the weekend:
>  >
>  > http://tinyurl.com/28h2d5
>  >
>  > 
> http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/R-jssKIJ9yI/Btw/94pZPKqjRlE/s1600-h/mar_25_08+005.jpg
>  >
>  > I'm working on a new title...
>  >
>  > Comments always welcome.
>  >
>  > cheers,
>  > frank
>  >
>  >
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Re: PESO - Stairway to the Stars

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "David J Brooks" 
Subject: Re: PESO - Stairway to the Stars


> How about "Girl climbing stairs, only going the wrong way, with a back
> pack, that contains some unknow stuff, mostly in focus and some tilt
> to the line work".

"English Girl on Stairs"

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Re: Easter Lily again

[Steve Desjardins]

Very nice.  It seems like quite a bit of DoF for that lens.  What were
the exposure settings?  

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>>> "Ken Waller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 3/25/2008 10:47 AM >>>
Very nice captures.

Love the black backgrounds for highlighting the subject.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f 

- Original Message - 
From: "Derby Chang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: PESO: Easter Lily again


>
> Hi everyone,
>
> A designer friend of mine asked me to take some shots of her
clothes,
> date set for a month's time (ANZAC day weekend, how Aussie is she),
with
> the stipluation that we shoot in her house (makes for easy outfit
> changes). Not that much light there, so I thought it was about time
I
> got myself some monoflashes. A quick browse on epray, and I got
myself a
> handy dandy set of cheapie lights for under $A300 shipped from
China.
> Two flashes, stands, three umbrellas, one softbox, and some nifty
remote
> syncs. Did a quickie test tonight...
>
> http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/08_03/08_03_easterlily/01.htm 
>
> Lights are easy to use, but, is it just me, or are softboxes a royal
> pain to wrestle together? Got there in the end, but I think I'll have
to
> practice more to avoid looking daggy in front of the models.
>
> D
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Re: The world is over

[kwaller]

Subject: Re: The world is over


> On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Ken Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>  Subject: Re: The world is over
>>
>>
>>
>> >>  >  >>  This is pathetic.  I'm gonna go sleeve some film.
>>  >>  >  >
>>  >>  >  > Shut up or I'll cuff ya in the head.
>>  >>  >
>>  >>  >  A Hem!!
>>  >>  >  Sew, when will all this foolishness end?
>>  >>
>>  >>  When i can think of something with belt loop in it.:-)
>>  >
>>  > I'm panting with anticipation.
>>
>>  Such a waist...
>
> Come on Ken, belt it out.

Watch it Dave or you'll get cuffed.

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Re: The world is over

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Subject: Re: The world is over


> 
> 
> Subject: Re: The world is over
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Ken Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Subject: Re: The world is over
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >>  >  >>  This is pathetic.  I'm gonna go sleeve some film.
>>>  >>  >  >
>>>  >>  >  > Shut up or I'll cuff ya in the head.
>>>  >>  >
>>>  >>  >  A Hem!!
>>>  >>  >  Sew, when will all this foolishness end?
>>>  >>
>>>  >>  When i can think of something with belt loop in it.:-)
>>>  >
>>>  > I'm panting with anticipation.
>>>
>>>  Such a waist...
>>
>> Come on Ken, belt it out.
> 
> Watch it Dave or you'll get cuffed.

Brace yourself Dave.

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Re: Pentax SLR lineup

[Bob Sullivan]

Dave,
I think the blurring/lack of focus is a very real problem.
I'm not a big fan of street photography and have been asking why.
I see lots of common, everyday images snapped from the environment.
They don't sing to me, yet I can find a gallery presentation interesting.
I wonder if the distinction is in the collection and viewpoint shown.
A single graphic image of your surroundings today is just a snapshot.
(open to many interpretations, and lacking focus)
A coherent collection of similar photos begs my mind to find the theme,
and interpret the results.
Of course, it's a lot more work to create a coherent collection...
Regards,  Bob S.

On 3/25/08, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 12:07 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >  I see it as a means of providing 'creative constraint' ... limiting
> >  yourself to just so many exposures, just that spectral response,
> >  speed, grain, etc frees you to work within the boundaries in a
> >  different way compared to digital capture.
>
> And as he freely admitted he lacks the personal disciple to use the
> DSLR in the same fashion. Also he's primarily into street shooting,
> the 5D isn't a subtle piece of equipment for that type of work.
>
> He raised some interesting points while I was talking to him. The one
> thing many people like about digital is the freedom to experiment &
> shoot things you normally wouldn't. His view was while that is good it
> can also have the effect of diluting/blurring the photographers focus
> (no pun intended). I don't know. it was an interesting discussion in
> any event.
>
> BTW, not long after I wrote that he was going to look at the R3A, he
> found a buyer for the 5D :-)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave
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re: windoze meatheadery

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

predictable responses. you should do better.

G

> From: William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>> What do you call imbeciles who jeer condescendingly at people with
>> better computers?
>
> Macheads.
> WW
>
>>  What do you call imbeciles who jeer condescendingly at people with
>>  better computers?
>
> So everyone else heard that Peow sound right?
>
>>  Windows users?
>
> Meh! It's just a computer.
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Re: The world is over

[Steve Desjardins]

Union of Shanghai Associates.  ;-)

>>> Gonz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 3/25/2008 10:47 AM >>>
I had to replace my electric charcoal starter for my barbeque (a major
food group here) recently, and as I walked through my local home
improvement store, I dreaded the possibility that it would be made in
China along with pretty much everything else there.  When I picked it
up, I turned it over and it read "Made in the U.S.A." .  I almost
cried with joy.  I bought two.

Gonz

On 3/23/08, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  - Original Message -
>  From: "Boris Liberman"
>  Subject: OT: The world is over
>
>
>  > Hi!
>  >
>  > I went today to one of the local shops to buy me a pair of
trousers.
>  > Apparently the shelves were almost empty. So, I asked salesperson,
when
>  > do you expect a new shipment? We don't was the answer. The
Olympics in
>  > China are the reason.
>  >
>  > I chuckled and went out of the shop...
>
>
> I did a quick survey a while back, and concluded that it is now
virtually impossible to live
>  without Chinese manufactured goods, as there are, in many instances,
no options to buy non
>  Chinese manufactured products.
>
>  What this means to me is that it is very difficult to not buy
products manufactured in what I
>  consider to be a human rights nightmare.
>  I prefer to support economies that are not built on slave labour, I
would rather not support
>  regimes that use an iron fist to squash freedom of speech and
association or legitimate protest
>  against the governing power.
>
>  What this also means is that China now has the economic clout to
pretty much shut down any
>  country that crosses it by protesting the way it mistreats it's
citizens (the onging abuses in
>  Tibet as an example) by cutting off trade to that country.
>
>  Don't chuckle too much...
>
>
>  William Robb
>
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Re: The world is over

[P. J. Alling]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Subject: Re: The world is over
>
>
>   
>> On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Ken Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>>>  Subject: Re: The world is over
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>  >  >>  This is pathetic.  I'm gonna go sleeve some film.
>   
>>>  >>  >  >
>>>  >>  >  > Shut up or I'll cuff ya in the head.
>>>  >>  >
>>>  >>  >  A Hem!!
>>>  >>  >  Sew, when will all this foolishness end?
>>>  >>
>>>  >>  When i can think of something with belt loop in it.:-)
>>>  >
>>>  > I'm panting with anticipation.
>>>
>>>  Such a waist...
>>>   
>> Come on Ken, belt it out.
>> 
>
> Watch it Dave or you'll get cuffed.
>
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f 
>
>
>   
Zip it!

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Re: The world is over

[Mark Roberts]

David J Brooks wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Ken Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
  >  >>  This is pathetic.  I'm gonna go sleeve some film.
>>  >>  >  >
>>  >>  >  > Shut up or I'll cuff ya in the head.
>>  >>  >
>>  >>  >  A Hem!!
>>  >>  >  Sew, when will all this foolishness end?
>>  >>
>>  >>  When i can think of something with belt loop in it.:-)
>>  >
>>  > I'm panting with anticipation.
>>
>>  Such a waist...
> 
> Come on Ken, belt it out.

Does that seam necessary to you?

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Re: PESO: Optio W20 is a true all- weather camera

[Marcus A. Hofmann]

Ah, yes, beautiful. I just came back from a week of sailing on the  
Ijsselmeer and Waddenzee and I can still smell the crazy weather. I  
brought the new DA* 50-135mm and took some first pictures with it. All  
with a K200D.

http://ntony.codewut.de/engine/temp/image/original/261e6b593cff231ce1e4b7ebfafc529a.jpg
http://ntony.codewut.de/engine/temp/image/original/fdd3dc638e4fa69c16baadd03c96807e.jpg
http://ntony.codewut.de/engine/temp/image/original/045890c7b9ac167bf016f1e5ae15d5a8.jpg

Greetings to Holland.
Marcus

Am 25.03.2008 um 23:25 schrieb Henk Terhell:
> Jostein, thanks. Indeed we had lots of clouds with hail and snow and
> then suddenly sunshine again. Henk.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf  
> Of
> AlunFoto
> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 6:59 AM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: PESO: Optio W20 is a true all- weather camera
>
>
> "more rain to come" is great! Amazing how brooding the sky looks, and
> with those puddles in the foreground. Almost as if the greenhouses
> awaits a hailstorm doom.
>
> Best,
> Jostein
>
> 2008/3/22, Henk Terhell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> As I keep the Optio W20 in the side pocket of my trousers, there are
>> many more chances to record sudden changes in weather which we have  
>> in
>
>> Holland these days.
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/2349410751/in/photostream/
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/2349409955/in/photostream/
>>
>> Any comments of course welcome
>>
>> Henk
>>
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Re: Peso, Peow, Geso... ?

[Marcus A. Hofmann]

Thanks, that's exactly what I was looking for. And thanks to the leg- 
pullers for the good laugh. :-)

-Marcus

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> On 25/3/08, Marcus A. Hofmann, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>> I was wondering what PESO, PEOW, GESO etc. mean?
>
> Have a look at this page:
>
> 
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OT (sort of): Interesting thought.

[David Savage]

G'day All,

Last night I went out to dinner with a bunch of local photogs and we
were talking about the differences/advantages/disadvantages between
film & digital. The discussion got around to the subject of chimping.

One of the guys is a long time working pro, He shares a studio with 3
others and they do commercial photography. He related a story from a
recent shoot that I found interesting.

He was working with one of his partners on a table top product shoot.
They set up the camera (5D) , lights, metered the scene & worked out
the lighting ratios together. He started shooting. He went away for a
while & his partner started chimping the shots already taken & came to
the conclusion that based on the histogram the shots were over
exposed, even though he had helped set up the lighting.

As a result of this chimping -1.5 stops of exposure compensation were
dialed in. The next day the guy I was talking with started the post
processing. And guess what. They were all (200 odd exposures)
underexposed. By 1.5 stops.

Now his theory was that chimping is a symptom of people:

a) not trusting their own skill
b) not trusting this new fangled digital technology.

Personally I think that the guy who was chimping either had the in
camera settings wrong or he doesn't know how to read a histogram.
(I've never met him or seen his work so I can't really make a comment
on his technical acumen.)

I am a chimper, I do it even when I don't need to & it's a habit I
have been working on breaking for some time. When I was shooting film
I'd take maybe 2 or 3 frames of a subject & move on, but I find myself
in this digital age fooling around with my camera & fiddeling with
exposure settings, Maybe it's just me, but from waht I seen of others
"in the field" I don't think so.

I found this idea of a correlation between chimping & trust quite
interesting, so I thought I'd throw this out for comment & discussion.

Cheers,

Dave

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Re: windoze meatheadery

[David Savage]

Us lowly windows users don't have the flare or wit to do any better.

Cheers,

DS


On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 1:07 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> predictable responses. you should do better.
>
>  G
>
>  > From: William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  >
>  >> What do you call imbeciles who jeer condescendingly at people with
>  >> better computers?
>  >
>  > Macheads.
>  > WW
>  >
>  >>  What do you call imbeciles who jeer condescendingly at people with
>  >>  better computers?
>  >
>  > So everyone else heard that Peow sound right?
>  >
>  >>  Windows users?
>  >
>  > Meh! It's just a computer.

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Re: Peso, Peow, Geso... ?

[John Francis]

On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 09:52:59AM +, Cotty wrote:
> On 25/3/08, Marcus A. Hofmann, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
> >I was wondering what PESO, PEOW, GESO etc. mean?
> 
> Have a look at this page:
> 
> 

And please, *please* don't invent yet another variant;
it makes it very hard to auto-sort mail based on keywords.


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Re: Peso, Peow, Geso... ?

[John Francis]

On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 08:10:13AM -0700, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> 
> On Mar 25, 2008, at 6:55 AM, David Savage wrote:
> > Peow is the sound made when you say something bad about Apple products
> > and the Macheads defensive shield comes up.
> 
> What do you call imbeciles who jeer condescendingly at people with  
> better computers?
> Windows users?

I call them imbeciles and snobs.  Others refer to them as fanbois.

Oddly, far more of them have Macs than Windows.  It's the Apple
crowd who seem to be so keen on defending their product (and in
the process insulting others) - a point nicely exemplified by
Godfrey's prickly response to David's joke.


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Re: OT (sort of): Interesting thought.

[P. J. Alling]

Second guessing yourself is the worst thing you can do in my experience.

David Savage wrote:
> G'day All,
>
> Last night I went out to dinner with a bunch of local photogs and we
> were talking about the differences/advantages/disadvantages between
> film & digital. The discussion got around to the subject of chimping.
>
> One of the guys is a long time working pro, He shares a studio with 3
> others and they do commercial photography. He related a story from a
> recent shoot that I found interesting.
>
> He was working with one of his partners on a table top product shoot.
> They set up the camera (5D) , lights, metered the scene & worked out
> the lighting ratios together. He started shooting. He went away for a
> while & his partner started chimping the shots already taken & came to
> the conclusion that based on the histogram the shots were over
> exposed, even though he had helped set up the lighting.
>
> As a result of this chimping -1.5 stops of exposure compensation were
> dialed in. The next day the guy I was talking with started the post
> processing. And guess what. They were all (200 odd exposures)
> underexposed. By 1.5 stops.
>
> Now his theory was that chimping is a symptom of people:
>
> a) not trusting their own skill
> b) not trusting this new fangled digital technology.
>
> Personally I think that the guy who was chimping either had the in
> camera settings wrong or he doesn't know how to read a histogram.
> (I've never met him or seen his work so I can't really make a comment
> on his technical acumen.)
>
> I am a chimper, I do it even when I don't need to & it's a habit I
> have been working on breaking for some time. When I was shooting film
> I'd take maybe 2 or 3 frames of a subject & move on, but I find myself
> in this digital age fooling around with my camera & fiddeling with
> exposure settings, Maybe it's just me, but from waht I seen of others
> "in the field" I don't think so.
>
> I found this idea of a correlation between chimping & trust quite
> interesting, so I thought I'd throw this out for comment & discussion.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave
>
>   


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Re: PEOW: Darius @ 4 1/2

[Bruce Dayton]

Excellent shot, Jay.  You have really captured some personality.

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Monday, March 24, 2008, 11:46:48 PM, you wrote:

JT> Greetings PDMLers,
JT> Been awhile since I've posted, but I still check in from time to time.
JT> Thought I would post a recent shot of my grandson Darius now that  
JT> he's such a big boy. This was from a recent family vacation  (our  
JT> first together) in Oahu, Hawaii.
JT> http://i.pbase.com/o6/87/63987/1/94669414.1vVExfb9.IGP0214.jpg
JT> Captured with the K20D & FA*300/4.5/Aperture priority mode.

JT> Thanks for looking,
JT> JayT




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Re: Pentax SLR lineup

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Mar 25, 2008, at 8:33 AM, David Savage wrote:
>>
>>  I see it as a means of providing 'creative constraint' ... limiting
>>  yourself to just so many exposures, just that spectral response,
>>  speed, grain, etc frees you to work within the boundaries in a
>>  different way compared to digital capture.
>
> And as he freely admitted he lacks the personal disciple to use the
> DSLR in the same fashion. Also he's primarily into street shooting,
> the 5D isn't a subtle piece of equipment for that type of work.

Take a 5D, put a 35mm lens on it, go out and shoot.  A 5D is neither  
more nor less subtle than the person using it. It's neither more  
obtrusive nor unobtrusive than the Hasselblad 500CM, the Rolleiflex  
TLR, the Nikon F3, or even the K10D and a 16-50 lens that I use  
occasionally for street shooting...

http://homepage.mac.com/godders/12-goofin.jpg
Goofin' - San Francisco 2008
Pentax K10D + DA* 16-50/2.8
ISO 800 @ f/7.1 @ 1/20 sec, fl=21mm

... although I do prefer something more compact and lighter weight.  
The Panny L1 fitted with the new Olympus ZD 25/2.8 lens or with the  
35 Macro or Nikkor 20mm is delightful. The K10D with DA21 or FA43 is  
great.

It's a matter of discipline and learning how to work unobtrusively no  
matter what the equipment is. Equipment isn't the answer to that.

Admitting that you lack the personal discipline to work the way you  
know you ought to, and doing nothing about  it, means to me that  
you're not really very serious about the work and are just having a  
good time playing with fancy toys.

> He raised some interesting points while I was talking to him. The one
> thing many people like about digital is the freedom to experiment &
> shoot things you normally wouldn't. His view was while that is good it
> can also have the effect of diluting/blurring the photographers focus
> (no pun intended).

I agree only insofar as people who don't know better or who lack  
discipline and focus in their efforts allow themselves to be  
distracted by doing dumb things, by expecting things that do not make  
any sense.

When I go out on a paid shoot by a client, I listen to what the  
client's need/desires are and put 100% of my concentration behind  
obtaining the best work that they will want to pay for. Period.

When I go out on a shoot for my own work, I have a target in mind. I  
bring the equipment that I think will suffice for that target, maybe  
a little extra if I think things might change, etc. Circumstance and  
conditions my lead my interests elsewhere.. I see no reason not to  
follow those hunches and whims, so I operate a bit opportunistically.

But what medium I use to record my photographs is not an issue. I  
work with my digital cameras in ways that are almost identical to how  
I work with my film cameras, modulo the fact that with the digital  
camera I have more tools at my disposal to evaluate on the spot  
what's going on if the lighting is difficult and can make more good  
exposures.

Godfrey


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What affordable rawconverters supports K20D?

[Tim Øsleby]

Tomorrow will be an exiting day for me. The eagle is landing at
fifteenhoundred. Wonder how long it will take to charge the battery?

But I may have one problem. I have absolutely no editing tools at the
PC after my accident. I see some problems getting the insurance to
cower a new Lightroom license, since I've got it for free. (I got a
free license since I owned a RSP license). But the documentation of
this is gone with my puter.

So. At the moment I need to look for other (cheaper) alternatives
supporting K20D raw files. What are my alternatives?

MaritimTim

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Re: PEOW: Darius @ 4 1/2

[frank theriault]

On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 2:46 AM, Jay Taylor
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Greetings PDMLers,
>  Been awhile since I've posted, but I still check in from time to time.
>  Thought I would post a recent shot of my grandson Darius now that
>  he's such a big boy. This was from a recent family vacation  (our
>  first together) in Oahu, Hawaii.
>  http://i.pbase.com/o6/87/63987/1/94669414.1vVExfb9.IGP0214.jpg
>  Captured with the K20D & FA*300/4.5/Aperture priority mode.
>
>  Thanks for looking,
>  JayT

What everybody else is saying:

Great smile, wonderful (happy) emotion, terrific bokeh.

Just a terrific photo!

cheers,
frank

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Got my 180mm f/3.5 macro

[Mark Roberts]

Last week Sigma finally got some 180mm f/3.5 lenses in Pentax mount and 
yesterday mine arrived. First impressions: Very well built and *very* 
fun to use! I hope to try my hand at some Mark Cassino-style insect 
macros before too long.

In the meantime, I've been shooting things around the house, just 
playing around and discovering what this lens can do. Here's a shot of a 
dried rose in our living room:
http://www.robertstech.com/pages/fotoblog/7d801410.htm

And here's a 100% magnification crop: 
http://www.robertstech.com/temp/rose2.jpg



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Re: The world is over

[Gonz]

I think I just threw up a little internally

On 3/25/08, Steve Desjardins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Union of Shanghai Associates.  ;-)
>
>  >>> Gonz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 3/25/2008 10:47 AM >>>
>
> I had to replace my electric charcoal starter for my barbeque (a major
>  food group here) recently, and as I walked through my local home
>  improvement store, I dreaded the possibility that it would be made in
>  China along with pretty much everything else there.  When I picked it
>  up, I turned it over and it read "Made in the U.S.A." .  I almost
>  cried with joy.  I bought two.
>
>  Gonz
>
>  On 3/23/08, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  >
>  >  - Original Message -
>  >  From: "Boris Liberman"
>  >  Subject: OT: The world is over
>  >
>  >
>  >  > Hi!
>  >  >
>  >  > I went today to one of the local shops to buy me a pair of
>  trousers.
>  >  > Apparently the shelves were almost empty. So, I asked salesperson,
>  when
>  >  > do you expect a new shipment? We don't was the answer. The
>  Olympics in
>  >  > China are the reason.
>  >  >
>  >  > I chuckled and went out of the shop...
>  >
>  >
>  > I did a quick survey a while back, and concluded that it is now
>  virtually impossible to live
>  >  without Chinese manufactured goods, as there are, in many instances,
>  no options to buy non
>  >  Chinese manufactured products.
>  >
>  >  What this means to me is that it is very difficult to not buy
>  products manufactured in what I
>  >  consider to be a human rights nightmare.
>  >  I prefer to support economies that are not built on slave labour, I
>  would rather not support
>  >  regimes that use an iron fist to squash freedom of speech and
>  association or legitimate protest
>  >  against the governing power.
>  >
>  >  What this also means is that China now has the economic clout to
>  pretty much shut down any
>  >  country that crosses it by protesting the way it mistreats it's
>  citizens (the onging abuses in
>  >  Tibet as an example) by cutting off trade to that country.
>  >
>  >  Don't chuckle too much...
>  >
>  >
>  >  William Robb
>  >
>  >
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Re: Got my 180mm f/3.5 macro

[pnstenquist]

Looks good. Nice and sharp. No fringing that I can see. Should be fun. Congrats.
Paul
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From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Last week Sigma finally got some 180mm f/3.5 lenses in Pentax mount and 
> yesterday mine arrived. First impressions: Very well built and *very* 
> fun to use! I hope to try my hand at some Mark Cassino-style insect 
> macros before too long.
> 
> In the meantime, I've been shooting things around the house, just 
> playing around and discovering what this lens can do. Here's a shot of a 
> dried rose in our living room:
> http://www.robertstech.com/pages/fotoblog/7d801410.htm
> 
> And here's a 100% magnification crop: 
> http://www.robertstech.com/temp/rose2.jpg
> 
> 
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Re: What affordable rawconverters supports K20D?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

There's the (ugh) Pentax Photo Lab software that comes with it.

For Adobe products, you could use Photoshop Elements and tell the  
K20D to output RAW/DNG format files for the moment. Soon as they re- 
release v4.4.1 of Camera Raw and DNG Converter, you can switch to  
using PEF files.

Personally, I'd just download the latest Lightroom and use it on  
trial for 30 days, then ante up. You'll still need to run the camera  
in RAW/DNG output mode until v1.4.1 is released for PEF support.

G

On Mar 25, 2008, at 9:36 AM, Tim Øsleby wrote:
> But I may have one problem. I have absolutely no editing tools at the
> PC after my accident. I see some problems getting the insurance to
> cower a new Lightroom license, since I've got it for free. (I got a
> free license since I owned a RSP license). But the documentation of
> this is gone with my puter.
>
> So. At the moment I need to look for other (cheaper) alternatives
> supporting K20D raw files. What are my alternatives?



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Re: PESO - Stairway to the Stars

[Mark Roberts]

frank theriault wrote:
> A horrible title, but I was listening Ella on the weekend:
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/28h2d5
> 
> http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/R-jssKIJ9yI/Btw/94pZPKqjRlE/s1600-h/mar_25_08+005.jpg
> 
> I'm working on a new title...

That's a stunner, Frank! You're really getting the hand of B&W conversions.

(Yes, I think a title change is in order: I first expected an Arthur C. 
Clarke reference of some sort! It sounds like a title he would use for a 
short story and since his death was in the news this week...)


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Re: OT (sort of): Interesting thought.

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

That's called "second guessing yourself" and misreading the  
situation. Easy to make mistakes that way.

I don't chimp. I turn the auto review function off and concentrate on  
what I'm doing. When I am working a difficult lighting situation or  
an odd-ball exposure situation, I make a few exposures and analyze  
them with the review function, using histogram and highlight  
blinkies. I might check my focus on a setup to be sure that I haven't  
jiggered it. That's it. I trust completely that the camera will do  
what I told it to do, and don't bother to look except as above. I'm  
too busy concentrating on the subject matter I'm working on.

It's that 'personal discipline' thing again. I'm very confident about  
my equipment when I go out on a shoot with digital capture equipment.  
Much more so since at any time I feel it necessary, I can monitor  
what it's doing and not worry about whether the film was loaded  
correctly, was the right emulsion, etc etc.

G

On Mar 25, 2008, at 9:24 AM, David Savage wrote:
> G'day All,
>
> Last night I went out to dinner with a bunch of local photogs and we
> were talking about the differences/advantages/disadvantages between
> film & digital. The discussion got around to the subject of chimping.
>
> One of the guys is a long time working pro, He shares a studio with 3
> others and they do commercial photography. He related a story from a
> recent shoot that I found interesting.
>
> He was working with one of his partners on a table top product shoot.
> They set up the camera (5D) , lights, metered the scene & worked out
> the lighting ratios together. He started shooting. He went away for a
> while & his partner started chimping the shots already taken & came to
> the conclusion that based on the histogram the shots were over
> exposed, even though he had helped set up the lighting.
>
> As a result of this chimping -1.5 stops of exposure compensation were
> dialed in. The next day the guy I was talking with started the post
> processing. And guess what. They were all (200 odd exposures)
> underexposed. By 1.5 stops.
>
> Now his theory was that chimping is a symptom of people:
>
> a) not trusting their own skill
> b) not trusting this new fangled digital technology.
>
> Personally I think that the guy who was chimping either had the in
> camera settings wrong or he doesn't know how to read a histogram.
> (I've never met him or seen his work so I can't really make a comment
> on his technical acumen.)
>
> I am a chimper, I do it even when I don't need to & it's a habit I
> have been working on breaking for some time. When I was shooting film
> I'd take maybe 2 or 3 frames of a subject & move on, but I find myself
> in this digital age fooling around with my camera & fiddeling with
> exposure settings, Maybe it's just me, but from waht I seen of others
> "in the field" I don't think so.
>
> I found this idea of a correlation between chimping & trust quite
> interesting, so I thought I'd throw this out for comment & discussion.
>

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