Re: Test

[S J]

On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 2:39 AM, Scott Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bill Owens wrote:
>> Trying out gmail
>>
>> Bill
>>
> Oh, goody.  I think Cotty needs an invite.
>
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just so that cotty feels vindicated :-)

scott,  i found this mail of yours in the spam folder and when opened,
gmail displayed this in bright red letters:

Warning: This message may not be from whom it claims to be. Beware of
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Re: PESO 2008 - 119 - GDG

[Cotty]

On 17/7/08, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I remember hot days of summer, hanging out with friends trying to
>stay cool, sharing those deep thoughts ...
>
>   http://homepage.mac.com/godders/119-deep-thoughts.jpg
>   Deep Thoughts - This Cafe Life 2008
>   Panasonic L1 + Olympus ZD 25mm f/2.8
>   ISO 100 @ f/5.6 @ 1/250 sec
>
>Comments and critique always appreciated.

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Re: PESO - 'Smokin Angel'

[Cotty]

On 17/7/08, Bob Sullivan, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Sorry, the Video you selected is only available to users in the UK...

Bloody copyright issues!!!

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Re: OT: 5D enablement by proxy

[Cotty]

On 18/7/08, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Actually I shouldn't say that - I like York. I was only passing
>through, going to and from Malton, where I did a bit of cycle touring.

Ahar. Nice one. My second visit to York. Was in building belonging to St
Willams college right next door to the minster. No sightseeing time :(

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Re: PESO - No Political or Religious Comment Intended

[AlunFoto]

Since you mentioned the placidness on the list... :-)

Well just kidding, but there's a huge grayzone between generally
agreed-upon facts and opinion-based articles. Just think of the
ever-lasting re-interpretation of history...

I too appreciate Wikipedia for a primer on most subjects. 80-90% is great, imho.

Jostein
Who will not stray into global warming this time... :-)

2008/7/18 Doug Franklin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Anthony Farr wrote:
>
>> * Being the lazybones I am, my fact-checking is often done through
>> Wikipedia, in spite of that source's low standing in the eyes of
>> intellectual snobs.  80% to 90% reliability is good enough for me
>> considering the speed and ease of access that Wikipedia affords.
>
> My experience has been that Wikipedia is reasonably accurate for those
> things that are factual and verifiable.  For those things that are
> opinion-based or judgement-based, forget it. :-)
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Re: PESO - No Political or Religious Comment Intended

[AlunFoto]

That's not exactly a one-liner, but heck...

MARK!


Thanks Scott. :-)

Jostein

2008/7/16 Scott Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I'll have to disagree with most and say the photo itself doesn't do much
> for me.  However, photography has been used as a vehicle for political
> commentary for as long as photography has existed.  It's a legitimate
> tool for sparking debate and bringing "issues" of one sort or another
> into view (both literally and figuratively).  I would welcome
> politically charged photography to the list, even if it offended my own
> beliefs.  Besides, it would be a nice change of pace from the
> cat/flower/kid photos (not that these are bad - I'm as guilty as the
> next guy) that we see on a daily basis.



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Re: PESO - No Political or Religious Comment Intended

[Doug Franklin]

William Robb wrote:

> From: "Doug Franklin" 
> 
>> My experience has been that Wikipedia is reasonably accurate for those 
>> things that are factual and verifiable.  For those things that are 
>> opinion-based or judgement-based, forget it. :-)
> 
> That really depends on if you agree with the opinion, doesn't it?

That's why it falls into the "forget it" pile. :-)

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Re: PESO 2008 - 119 - GDG

[Tim Bray]

On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I remember hot days of summer, hanging out with friends trying to
> stay cool, sharing those deep thoughts ...

Mmmm... my fave here in the last few days.  Good stuff, thanks.  -T

>
>   http://homepage.mac.com/godders/119-deep-thoughts.jpg
>   Deep Thoughts - This Cafe Life 2008
>   Panasonic L1 + Olympus ZD 25mm f/2.8
>   ISO 100 @ f/5.6 @ 1/250 sec
>
> Comments and critique always appreciated.
>
> enjoy
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Re: PESO - No Political or Religious Comment Intended

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Doug Franklin" 
Subject: Re: PESO - No Political or Religious Comment Intended



> My experience has been that Wikipedia is reasonably accurate for those 
> things that are factual and verifiable.  For those things that are 
> opinion-based or judgement-based, forget it. :-)

That really depends on if you agree with the opinion, doesn't it?

William Robb

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Re: PESO - No Political or Religious Comment Intended

[Doug Franklin]

Anthony Farr wrote:

> * Being the lazybones I am, my fact-checking is often done through
> Wikipedia, in spite of that source's low standing in the eyes of
> intellectual snobs.  80% to 90% reliability is good enough for me
> considering the speed and ease of access that Wikipedia affords.

My experience has been that Wikipedia is reasonably accurate for those 
things that are factual and verifiable.  For those things that are 
opinion-based or judgement-based, forget it. :-)

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Re: OT: 5D enablement by proxy

[Cory Waters]

Beaker wrote:
> Great Scott, man, where's the 6 racks of patchbays?
> How can you be an audio guy without patchbays???
>
> Looks like a good bit of fun, hammering a new mixer into shape.
>
> Cheers
> Mike
>
>   


The patch bay is behind me.  Digital or no, you still need a patch bay 
if you're installed in a building.  You never know where your sources 
are going to be for today's show...

CW

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Re: PESO - No Political or Religious Comment Intended

[Bob Sullivan]

Thanks Anthony,
I think that I first heard it from Tom Lehrer...
Regards,  Bob S.

On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 9:42 PM, Anthony Farr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bob Sullivan hazily remembered:
> "I think the song was written and originally sung by Tom Lehrer in the '60's
> while he was a grad student in Boston."
>
> According to Wikipedia*:
>
> "Ed Rush and George Cromarty wrote the song in 1957 and recorded it (as a
> humorous ad spoof) in 1962 as The Goldcoast Singers on World Pacific Records
> Here They Are! The Goldcoast Singers"
> The authorship of the song has historically been incorrectly attributed to
> Ernie Marrs.
> Rush and Cromarty are listed as the authors by ASCAP[1] and by the song's
> publisher, EMI Music Publishing."
>
> Regards, Anthony Farr
>
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> Wikipedia, in spite of that source's low standing in the eyes of
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> considering the speed and ease of access that Wikipedia affords.
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Re: Test

[P. J. Alling]

But I can only do it once.


Cotty wrote:
> On 17/7/08, Bill Owens, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>   
>> Trying out gmail
>> 
>
>
>
>
> 
>
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RE: 60-250 - broken embargo - thread has been pulled

[Anthony Farr]

Just a few minutes ago I followed this link to a page that indicated the
thread was only for viewing by logged-in members of PentaxForums.  When I
attempted to find the thread through the index I learned that it and all
photographs of and from the lens had been removed at the "request" of Pentax
USA.

A more cynical person than myself ;-) might see  this as the first action in
a campaign of controlled leaks.  Look to Ulaan Bator for more news.

Regards, Anthony Farr

> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Thursday, 17 July 2008 5:40 AM
> To: Pentax Discuss
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> 
>
http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-slr-lens-discussion/32236-shooting
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> da-60-250-a.html
> 
> Seems some one has one in Rockford Illinois
> 
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RE: PESO - No Political or Religious Comment Intended

[Anthony Farr]

Bob Sullivan hazily remembered:
"I think the song was written and originally sung by Tom Lehrer in the '60's
while he was a grad student in Boston."  

According to Wikipedia*:

"Ed Rush and George Cromarty wrote the song in 1957 and recorded it (as a
humorous ad spoof) in 1962 as The Goldcoast Singers on World Pacific Records
Here They Are! The Goldcoast Singers"
The authorship of the song has historically been incorrectly attributed to
Ernie Marrs.
Rush and Cromarty are listed as the authors by ASCAP[1] and by the song's
publisher, EMI Music Publishing."

Regards, Anthony Farr

* Being the lazybones I am, my fact-checking is often done through
Wikipedia, in spite of that source's low standing in the eyes of
intellectual snobs.  80% to 90% reliability is good enough for me
considering the speed and ease of access that Wikipedia affords.




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PESO: Hot

[Paul Stenquist]

While crossing the street downtown this afternoon. Had to shoot one  
handed, because I was hanging on to Grace. The title? It was about 92  
degrees F.
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7573306

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Re: History

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Rick Womer"
Subject: Re: History


> Thanks, Bill!
>
> The architecture -is- very striking, and I could have shot it standing 
> against the fence. 
> What really moved me, though, was that the beautiful building stands in what 
> was the "kill 
> zone" during the Wall era, and seven young men were shot there trying to 
> reach the West.  I 
> was trying to capture the juxtaposition of historical ugliness and modern 
> beauty.

That explains the crosses, I presume.
With that in mind, I understand why you included them, but without knowing what 
their 
significance is, they are a distraction from the subject.

William Robb 


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Re: OT Mac question for the collective, small that it may be

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Jul 17, 2008, at 1:25 PM, Cotty wrote:

> I was told repairing disk permissions should be commensurate with use.
> My MBP is used daily between 1 and 6 hours, mostly around 2.

I've been tracking the accumulation of permissions repairs for a  
couple of years. It seems that two or three specific files, mostly  
having to do with iTunes security components, are the most prone to  
require a minor repair. Nothing else has required any repair after  
the first permissions repair was performed since I installed Mac OS X  
Tiger on this G5 tower, or on my PowerBook G4 for Tiger through Leopard.

The G5 is used daily for many hours. The PB a bit less.

> Just updated my first gen iPhone to 2.0, and now syncs automatically
> with the MBP via 'the cloud' - very cool. Trying for a 3G but  
> easier to
> milk a hen. Should have one by Aug.

LOL

I passed by the Apple Store in Palo Alto this morning about two  
minutes after opening. There was a line that went two whole city  
blocks long. I updated the iPod Touch to v2 ... same deal. I notice  
that the Mail application is significantly snappier now, in particular.

Godfrey

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Re: First L ion battery failure

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

K10Ds were first shipped in late November 2006.

Seems a little short lived. Check the warranty ... they might replace  
it.

Godfrey

On Jul 17, 2008, at 5:49 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> One of the batteries that I purchased along with my K10D failed the  
> other day. Zero volts, and it won't take a charge. It was an Impact  
> brand battery, the brand that B&H sells for slightly less than  
> twenty bucks. I guess that's not a totally bad life. When was the  
> K10D introduced? Almost three years ago? This would have been  
> purchased right at launch time. I replaced it with two more of the  
> same brand. Still less than one Pentax battery. I now have six. Two  
> in the K20D and grip with two backups. One in the K10D with one  
> backup.
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Re: PESO 2008 - 119 - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Thanks Rick!

I tried a B&W rendering first. It didn't have the right feel to me.  :-)

Godfrey


On Jul 17, 2008, at 6:47 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

> Excellent!  I'm glad you left it in color.
> Not sure about the deep thoughts, though...
>
>>http://homepage.mac.com/godders/119-deep-thoughts.jpg
>>

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Re: PESO 2008 - 119 - GDG

[Rick Womer]

Excellent!  I'm glad you left it in color.

Not sure about the deep thoughts, though...

Rick

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--- On Thu, 7/17/08, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: PESO 2008 - 119 - GDG
> To: "PAW Picture-A-Week project" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
> "SeePhoto Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "PDML List" , "DUG" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008, 9:36 PM
> I remember hot days of summer, hanging out with friends
> trying to  
> stay cool, sharing those deep thoughts ...
> 
>http://homepage.mac.com/godders/119-deep-thoughts.jpg
>Deep Thoughts - This Cafe Life 2008
>Panasonic L1 + Olympus ZD 25mm f/2.8
>ISO 100 @ f/5.6 @ 1/250 sec
> 
> Comments and critique always appreciated.
> 
> enjoy
> Godfrey
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Re: History

[Rick Womer]

Thanks, Bill!

The architecture -is- very striking, and I could have shot it standing against 
the fence.  What really moved me, though, was that the beautiful building 
stands in what was the "kill zone" during the Wall era, and seven young men 
were shot there trying to reach the West.  I was trying to capture the 
juxtaposition of historical ugliness and modern beauty.

Rick 

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--- On Thu, 7/17/08, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> >
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7568895&size=lg
> >
> > K10D, DA 10-17 fisheye, ISO 100, f/8 @ 1/500, RAW via
> LR.
> >
> 
> Excellent use of the fisheye, and a very interesting
> picture as well.
> I'm not sure I like the fence in the forground, it
> actually takes a lot of the interest away 
> from the building.
> And yes, that is a big ass building.
> 
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PESO 2008 - 119 - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I remember hot days of summer, hanging out with friends trying to  
stay cool, sharing those deep thoughts ...

   http://homepage.mac.com/godders/119-deep-thoughts.jpg
   Deep Thoughts - This Cafe Life 2008
   Panasonic L1 + Olympus ZD 25mm f/2.8
   ISO 100 @ f/5.6 @ 1/250 sec

Comments and critique always appreciated.

enjoy
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Re: First L ion battery failure

[Matthew Hunt]

On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 8:49 PM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> One of the batteries that I purchased along with my K10D failed the other 
> day. Zero volts, and it won't take a charge.

I had my off-brand battery fail last month, after about 9 months of
use (in rotation with the genuine battery that came with the camera).
I had about 4,500 frames on the K10D, so it powered about 2,000-ish
frames.  I wasn't too impressed with that, but I still replaced it
with two el-cheapo Hong Kong batteries from eBay.  They're so much
cheaper that I can replace them every year and still come out ahead...

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Re: Test

[Bob Sullivan]

Working good Bill, and you'll find this response threaded with your original.
Regards,  Bob S.

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Re: OT: 5D enablement by proxy

[Beaker]

Great Scott, man, where's the 6 racks of patchbays?
How can you be an audio guy without patchbays???

Looks like a good bit of fun, hammering a new mixer into shape.

Cheers
Mike




On Jul 17, 2008, at 6:05 AM, Cory Waters wrote:

> No, it's not a Cannon.
> No, I don't own it.
>
> Here's a quick shot of the new digital audio mixer in the control room
> at work:
>
> http://cwaters.smugmug.com/gallery/2793835_9yqag#333453567_nmtG6-A-LB
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> The story is in my blog too.
> http://houseaudioguy.blogspot.com/
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First L ion battery failure

[pnstenquist]

One of the batteries that I purchased along with my K10D failed the other day. 
Zero volts, and it won't take a charge. It was an Impact brand battery, the 
brand that B&H sells for slightly less than twenty bucks. I guess that's not a 
totally bad life. When was the K10D introduced? Almost three years ago? This 
would have been purchased right at launch time. I replaced it with two more of 
the same brand. Still less than one Pentax battery. I now have six. Two in the 
K20D and grip with two backups. One in the K10D with one backup.
Paul

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Re: PESO - 'Smokin Angel'

[Bob Sullivan]

Sorry, the Video you selected is only available to users in the UK...
 Regards,  Bob S.

On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 3:48 PM, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 17/7/08, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>I've just been watching a clip of it on the BBC site. Is any of your
>>footage online?
>
> Every night.
>
> 
>
> top left 'Local News'
>
> then 'Latest News Bulletins' at right
>
> then 'Thames Valley'
>
> then choose date of programme
>
> It's crap compared to the beeb web site, and you have to sit through a
> full 25 min prog, unless selecting individual items. I didn't shoot any
> aircraft at Farnboro tho - just did the live into the 6 oclock prog.
>
> Today filmed at Art in Action - big art show near Oxford.
>
> Tomorrow, the Big Floods, one year on Zzzzx :).
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Re: PESO - "It's Your Agent!"

[pnstenquist]

Ditto. A good one. Nicely rendered.
Paul
 -- Original message --
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> Cute catch knarF.
> Might be titled "honey, how do I change his diaper?"
> 
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: PESO - "It's Your Agent!"
> 
> 
> > http://tinyurl.com/6ha6nk
> >
> > 
> http://bp0.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/SH39pJxJgvI/Cqk/tK9FdRts500/s1600-h/
> july_14_08+011.jpg
> >
> > Dad:  Hey, Billy, it's your agent, you got the part.
> >
> > Billy (with Bluejays baseball cap):  Omigod, I'm so not prepared!
> >
> > Bobby (with hand on forehead):  It's so tough living with a diva...
> >
> > Comments always welcome.
> >
> > cheers,
> > frank
> . 
> 
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Re: History

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Rick Womer"
Subject: PESO: History


> Next to the Reichstag in Berlin are two very striking modern office 
> buildings, flanking the 
> canal.  They are huge; note the sizes of the people in the center and 
> mid-left.  The crosses 
> commemorate those who were killed trying to swim the canal to escape East 
> Berlin in the days 
> of the Wall.  It is very sobering.
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7568895&size=lg
>
> K10D, DA 10-17 fisheye, ISO 100, f/8 @ 1/500, RAW via LR.
>

Excellent use of the fisheye, and a very interesting picture as well.
I'm not sure I like the fence in the forground, it actually takes a lot of the 
interest away 
from the building.
And yes, that is a big ass building.

William Robb 


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RE: OT: 5D enablement by proxy

[Bob W]

> >
> >I was in York on Monday and Wednesday.
> 
> And you spent Tuesday dead for tax reasons ?
> 

Being in York and being dead are much the same thing. 

Actually I shouldn't say that - I like York. I was only passing
through, going to and from Malton, where I did a bit of cycle touring.

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Re: OT: 5D enablement by proxy

[Cotty]

On 18/7/08, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:

>
>I was in York on Monday and Wednesday.

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RE: OT: 5D enablement by proxy

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> Here's my paltry little Yamaha 01X set up on a media training day at
> York on Tuesday:

I was in York on Monday and Wednesday.

Bob 

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of Cotty
> Sent: 17 July 2008 21:42
> To: pentax list
> Subject: Re: OT: 5D enablement by proxy
> 
> On 17/7/08, Cory Waters, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
> >No, it's not a Cannon.
> >No, I don't own it.
> >
> >Here's a quick shot of the new digital audio mixer in the 
> control room
> >at work:
> >
>
>http://cwaters.smugmug.com/gallery/2793835_9yqag#333453567_nmtG6-A-LB
> 
> Wow - NICE.
> 
> Here's my paltry little Yamaha 01X set up on a media training day at
> York on Tuesday:
> 
> 
> 
> It's a good little unit - Firewire to Mac for control of Final Cut,
or
> standalone mixer (as used here). The camera is linked to the Mac by
> Firewire, recording onto Mac (with DVCam safety backup) for instant
> review by students fter they've been in front of the camera. 
> End of day
> they take away a DVD of their efforts.
> 
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Re: Test

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On 17/7/08, Bill Owens, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Trying out gmail







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RE: Peso Peaches Corners in summer

[Bob W]

Old buildings benefit from candle light very often. There is a book by
Junichiro Tanizaki called In Praise of Shadows which discusses this in
a Japanese context, but I was in a Tudor building on Tuesday this week
in which some of the rooms were lit naturally and the effect of the
shadows on how the oil paintings look was very interesting. Seeing
them brightly lit does not necessarily enhance them. Remember that
these buildings and paintings were never expected to be seen any other
way.

Bob

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> 
> Dave,
> How about a generator and some floodlights inside?
> Regards,  Bob S.
> 
> On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 2:11 PM, David J Brooks 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > married in. Its small, but holds around 80-100 people.
> > No electricity in the building, so a sunny day will help 
> for indoor shots.:-)
> >
> > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7567164
> >
> > Friends of ours were married here in June 2000 and this was my
last
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> >
> > LOL
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Re: OT Graphic images

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> On 17/7/08, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed:
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>>In the sense of art, rather than violent.
>>
>>Oh, and some motorcycles, too.  Probably not much good for dialuppers.
>>
>>http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1497846/great_italian_motorbike_display/
>
> Excellent! Just needs three Minis zooming through to put a spanner in
> the works ;)

Only you.:-)

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Re: PESO - No Political or Religious Comment Intended

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On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think the song was written and originally sung by Tom Lehrer in the
> '60's while he was a grad student in Boston.  My thoughts when there
> immediately upon seeing the photo.
> Regards,  Bob S.

As were mine, and just tro show you i have little to do today, here its is.:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XePepJvvcjY

Dave
>
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 8:39 PM, Steve Desjardins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Really good.  I immediately thought of
>>
>> http://www.geocities.com/yossarian70038/PIANOSA9/jesusdance_lyrics.html
>>
> Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 7/15/2008 6:31 PM >>>
>> On 14/7/08, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>
>>>I know that politics and religion have no place on this list, however
>>>I couldn't resist:
>>>
>>>http://tinyurl.com/5767g9
>>>
>>>http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/SHtNoWqR_7I/Cn4/X9p_yB9aLv0/
>>
>>>s1600-h/july_14_08+003.jpg
>>
>> Nice one Frankie
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Re: OT Mac question for the collective, small that it may be

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On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  Trying for a 3G but easier to  milk a hen. Should have one by Aug.

I'll bring one next GFM, this i have to see.

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Re: Test

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Your up and running Sir

Dave

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Geso Horse power-the real way.

[David J Brooks]

Finally made it to the Lewis farm in Markham, were the old lads have
their fun day in July,
cutting, binding and generally playing with 100 year old farm
equipment and big Clydesdales.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/sets/1706523/

I shot about 400 frames, but this is just a quick geso for now.

Three day hoese show, then i;ll have a better look, and add some more.

These are all shots from K10D in Dng and minor adjust in LR Beta 2.

I still have 150 from the D2H to dl and look at.:-)

Enjoy.

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Re: Peso Peaches Corners in summer

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On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 2:04 PM, Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dave,
> How about a generator and some floodlights inside?
> Regards,  Bob S.

No. It actually looks very good inside, lots of windows and nice soft
ambient light.

Good for photos,

BTW i'm supposed to give the bride away AND take photos.:-)

Dave(someone will be hired to)Brooks
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>> My daughter is mulling over if this will be the church they get
>> married in. Its small, but holds around 80-100 people.
>> No electricity in the building, so a sunny day will help for indoor shots.:-)
>>
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7567164
>>
>> Friends of ours were married here in June 2000 and this was my last
>> "friends" wedding i shot. We still talk.
>>
>> LOL
>>
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Re: OT Graphic images

[Cotty]

On 17/7/08, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed:

>In the sense of art, rather than violent.
>
>Oh, and some motorcycles, too.  Probably not much good for dialuppers.
>
>http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1497846/great_italian_motorbike_display/

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Re: Test

[Gonz]

Sorry, it didnt work, this is the Canon list.

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Re: Test

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Test

[Bill Owens]

Trying out gmail

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Re: PESO - 'Smokin Angel'

[Cotty]

On 17/7/08, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I've just been watching a clip of it on the BBC site. Is any of your
>footage online?

Every night.



top left 'Local News'

then 'Latest News Bulletins' at right

then 'Thames Valley'

then choose date of programme

It's crap compared to the beeb web site, and you have to sit through a
full 25 min prog, unless selecting individual items. I didn't shoot any
aircraft at Farnboro tho - just did the live into the 6 oclock prog.

Today filmed at Art in Action - big art show near Oxford.

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Re: OT: 5D enablement by proxy

[Cotty]

On 17/7/08, Cory Waters, discombobulated, unleashed:

>No, it's not a Cannon.
>No, I don't own it.
>
>Here's a quick shot of the new digital audio mixer in the control room
>at work:
>
>http://cwaters.smugmug.com/gallery/2793835_9yqag#333453567_nmtG6-A-LB

Wow - NICE.

Here's my paltry little Yamaha 01X set up on a media training day at
York on Tuesday:



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Re: OT Mac question for the collective, small that it may be

[Cotty]

On 17/7/08, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:

>It's not strictly necessary, Cotty. I check disk permissions
>occasionally and turn my laptop off now and then, but it mostly lives
>in use or in Sleep mode, and I check permissions now and then but not
>on a regular basis. I haven't had any problems with the current laptop
>or with the previous one doing this, over the seven year span since
>Mac OS X has been the primary operating system.

Understood. My MacBook Pro [and previously my Pismo] only sleeps unless
a rare kernel panic arises.

I was told repairing disk permissions should be commensurate with use.
My MBP is used daily between 1 and 6 hours, mostly around 2.

Just updated my first gen iPhone to 2.0, and now syncs automatically
with the MBP via 'the cloud' - very cool. Trying for a 3G but easier to
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Re: OT Mac question for the collective, small that it may be

[Cotty]

On 17/7/08, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed:

>>
>> Do you just close the lid when not in use (sleep) ?  When's the last
>> time you actually shut down?
>
>After every use, it is only in sleep mode only if i close the lid to
>fast and forget to check for fire vault actions.


No need to - Macs sleep very well. I tend not to shut my MBP down at
all, sleeps every night. Only shut it down if there's a problem -
happened about three times since purchase, 9 months ago.



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Re: PESO - "It's Your Agent!"

[Ken Waller]

Cute catch knarF.
Might be titled "honey, how do I change his diaper?"

Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

- Original Message - 
From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: PESO - "It's Your Agent!"


> http://tinyurl.com/6ha6nk
>
> http://bp0.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/SH39pJxJgvI/Cqk/tK9FdRts500/s1600-h/july_14_08+011.jpg
>
> Dad:  Hey, Billy, it's your agent, you got the part.
>
> Billy (with Bluejays baseball cap):  Omigod, I'm so not prepared!
>
> Bobby (with hand on forehead):  It's so tough living with a diva...
>
> Comments always welcome.
>
> cheers,
> frank
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Re: laptop bag?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I originally bought mine for the PowerBook G4 17", which I had while  
I was at Apple. I returned that one to my department when I left  
Apple in 2004, but the case belonged to me. I now use it with a  
PowerBook G4 15" in 2006 and find the 17" case fits the 15" model  
with a nice modicum of room to spare, useful for carrying other books/ 
magazines/accessories while still remaining very trim.

The one for a 15" model would likely do the same for a MacBook (13"  
screen).

Godfrey

On Jul 12, 2008, at 8:55 AM, Mike Hamilton wrote:

> I can recommend the Incase bags.  They don't hold much beyond the
> laptop and AC adapter (maybe a file folder also), but it's a very nice
> slim bag.
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Re: Peso Peaches Corners in summer

[Bob Sullivan]

Dave,
How about a generator and some floodlights inside?
Regards,  Bob S.

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 2:11 PM, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My daughter is mulling over if this will be the church they get
> married in. Its small, but holds around 80-100 people.
> No electricity in the building, so a sunny day will help for indoor shots.:-)
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7567164
>
> Friends of ours were married here in June 2000 and this was my last
> "friends" wedding i shot. We still talk.
>
> LOL
>
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Re: Best SDHC card readers?

[Bob Sullivan]

Gonz,
I bought a Sonnet 21-in-1 ExpressCard/34 for the slot in my Sony sz
series laptop.
I couldn't find a way to upgrade the Sony SD reader as installed.
I've used a cheap reader on the desktop and carry another cheap ($10) reader.
You got a great price on a K20!  You'll love the extra resoluton.
Regards, Bob S.

On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 9:24 AM, Gonz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thats the one I'm leaning towards.  The older version of that which I
> have, has never failed me.
>
> Thanks,
>
> gonz
>
> On 7/17/08, Thibouille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Sandisk USB 2.0 12- in -1. From memory it reads my Sandisk UltraII
>>  cards at about 12MB/s
>>  Oh, and if you install a small utility, the drive icon in My Computer
>>  will get the card Icon.
>>  Very convenient. Having 4 drives you dunno which is what is annoying.
>>
>>  My only complain is: why no SDHC reader with firewire connectivity !! GRR
>>
>>
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Re: Far Out!!

[Bob Sullivan]

Me too, happily never saw the POSTS.  Bob S.

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Gonz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ahh.  I got it!  I also filter out that particular poster (poser), so
> I had not seen any of that wierd dialog (monologue).
>
> On 7/16/08, Scott Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Just a guess, but you might start here:
>>  http://pdml.net/pipermail/pdml_pdml.net/2008-July/132893.html
>>
>>
>>  Gonz wrote:
>>  > My reaction exactly.  Someone took one too many happy pillsor not
>>  > enough.
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > On 7/15/08, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>  >> Huh??
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  >>  On Jul 15, 2008, at 11:45 PM, William Robb wrote:
>>  >>
>>  >>  > Or not.
>>  >>  > One of the really nice things about gmail is that I no longer get
>>  >>  > into debates with idiots. The
>>  >>  > other thing is that threads that go to trash due to participant
>>  >>  > filtering end up as a nice
>>  >>  > easily followed web page. Anyway, this is digression at it's best.
>>  >>  > That is, if digression can be at it's best.
>>  >>  > But, I digress.
>>  >>  >
>>  >>  > Counting the caveats, I
>>  >>  > seeOne...Two...Three...Four...Five...Six...Seven...Eight...Nine...
>>  >>  > Ten... either caveats,
>>  >>  > false presumptions or made up bits to forward an ever changing
>>  >>  > argument.
>>  >>  > Adam, How the hell do you expect to hit a target that moves faster
>>  >>  > than an email gets delivered?
>>  >>  >
>>  >>  > William Robb
>>
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Re: PESO - Lady Sings the Blues

[Bob Sullivan]

Doug,
Watch out for redheads!
They are quite attractive and make nice photographic models.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Doug Brewer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> enjoy
>
> http://www.drivingtheflies.com/?p=290
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Re: PESO: Gendarmenplatz Cafe (repost)

[Bob Sullivan]

Rick,
I never noticed the waitress in the upper left.
(she is kind of in the dark...)
The clutter of the chairs doesn't bother me,
but the guys aren't very interesting.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 8:18 PM, Rick Womer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This one got no comments, though it was at a time when there was almost no 
> traffic on the list.  It's sharp and reasonably well-exposed.  I was 
> intrigued by the triangle of humorless male faces, and the waitress standing 
> patiently at the upper left.  I couldn't decide whether the clutter of chairs 
> adds or detracts.
>
> Opinions? Screams? Giggles? Yawns?
>
> --
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> Early on a weekday afternoon, in an outdoor cafe on the Gendarmenplatz in 
> Berlin.
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7555614&size=lg
>
> K10D, DA 50-200, ISO 200, f/6.7 @ 1/250, RAW via LR.
>
> Rick
>
> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
>
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Re: PESO - No Political or Religious Comment Intended

[Bob Sullivan]

I think the song was written and originally sung by Tom Lehrer in the
'60's while he was a grad student in Boston.  My thoughts when there
immediately upon seeing the photo.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 8:39 PM, Steve Desjardins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Really good.  I immediately thought of
>
> http://www.geocities.com/yossarian70038/PIANOSA9/jesusdance_lyrics.html
>
 Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 7/15/2008 6:31 PM >>>
> On 14/7/08, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>I know that politics and religion have no place on this list, however
>>I couldn't resist:
>>
>>http://tinyurl.com/5767g9
>>
>>http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/SHtNoWqR_7I/Cn4/X9p_yB9aLv0/
>
>>s1600-h/july_14_08+003.jpg
>
> Nice one Frankie
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Re: PESO 2008 - 118 - GDG

[Bruce Dayton]

Nice shot there Godfrey.  The composition works very well.

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Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 10:19:30 PM, you wrote:

GD> On last Tuesday evening's San Jose downtown shoot...

GD> http://homepage.mac.com/godders/118-assistance.jpg
GD> Assistance - This Cafe Life 2008
GD> Panasonic L1 + Olympus ZD 11-22/2.8-3.5
GD> ISO 400 @ f/4 @ 1/50 sec, fl=20mm

GD> Comments and critique always appreciated.

GD> enjoy
GD> Godfrey




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Re: pdmlpug site - update

[Scott Loveless]

It's fixed.  Looks like someone inserted some javascript right into the 
header.php file for the wordpress theme I was using.  Sorry for any 
inconvenience.

Scott Loveless wrote:
> It looks as if pdmlpug.org was compromised earlier today.  The header 
> file for the default Wordpress theme had been modified.  For the time 
> being I've reverted to the classic theme.  Passwords have been changed. 
>   Etc, etc.
> 
> Form data is not stored on the site, so your names, email addresses, 
> etc. are not at risk.
> 
> I could use some help with this.  The header file is php, with which I'm 
> not familiar.  Anyone out there care to take a look?
> 


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Re: pdmlpug site - update

[Scott Loveless]

It looks as if pdmlpug.org was compromised earlier today.  The header 
file for the default Wordpress theme had been modified.  For the time 
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  Etc, etc.

Form data is not stored on the site, so your names, email addresses, 
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I could use some help with this.  The header file is php, with which I'm 
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Re: Peso Peaches Corners in summer

[Rick Womer]

I like it, and it looks like a great place for a wedding.  Snow on the ground 
in July, though?  Either Canada, IR, or both...  ;-)

http://photo.net/photos/RickW


--- On Wed, 7/16/08, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Peso Peaches Corners in summer
> To: "Pentax Discuss" , "Harry Bolton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
> "Barbara Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: "E" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Yvette Sheppard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Sarah 
> Bedford-James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 3:11 PM
> My daughter is mulling over if this will be the church they
> get
> married in. Its small, but holds around 80-100 people.
> No electricity in the building, so a sunny day will help
> for indoor shots.:-)
> 
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7567164
> 
> Friends of ours were married here in June 2000 and this was
> my last
> "friends" wedding i shot. We still talk.
> 
> LOL
> 
> 
> Dave
> 
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Re: OT Mac question for the collective, small that it may be

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Jul 17, 2008, at 12:26 AM, Cotty wrote:

> Dave, when was the last time you repaired Disk Permissions?
>
> This should be done about once a month.
>
> Do you just close the lid when not in use (sleep) ?  When's the last
> time you actually shut down?

It's not strictly necessary, Cotty. I check disk permissions  
occasionally and turn my laptop off now and then, but it mostly lives  
in use or in Sleep mode, and I check permissions now and then but not  
on a regular basis. I haven't had any problems with the current laptop  
or with the previous one doing this, over the seven year span since  
Mac OS X has been the primary operating system.

Godfrey

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Re: Best SDHC card readers?

[Gonz]

Thats the one I'm leaning towards.  The older version of that which I
have, has never failed me.

Thanks,

gonz

On 7/17/08, Thibouille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sandisk USB 2.0 12- in -1. From memory it reads my Sandisk UltraII
>  cards at about 12MB/s
>  Oh, and if you install a small utility, the drive icon in My Computer
>  will get the card Icon.
>  Very convenient. Having 4 drives you dunno which is what is annoying.
>
>  My only complain is: why no SDHC reader with firewire connectivity !! GRR
>
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Re: OT Graphic images

[Dario Bonazza]

We all exposed B&W film through Spotmatics or Electro Spotmatics back then, 
didn't we?
Dario

- Original Message - 
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Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 4:18 PM
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> Color TV broadcasting started in 1975 in Italy, hence that B&W report 
> should better be dated 1971-1974.
> Dario
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "mike wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 4:01 PM
> Subject: Re: OT Graphic images
>
>
>>
>>>
>>> From: "Dario Bonazza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Date: 2008/07/17 Thu PM 12:59:36 GMT
>>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>>> Subject: Re: OT Graphic images
>>>
>>> I had never seen that! And the old Falcone!
>>> For anybody interested to know, it was recorded between 1971 and 1978, 
>>> as
>>> President Leone was on the stage.
>>> Thanks Mike,
>>> Dario
>>
>> My pleasure.  I had it dated as much earlier than that.  Shows what a B&W 
>> conversion can do for you8-)
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "mike wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 2:22 PM
>>> Subject: OT Graphic images
>>>
>>>
>>> > In the sense of art, rather than violent.
>>> >
>>> > Oh, and some motorcycles, too.  Probably not much good for dialuppers.
>>> >
>>> > http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1497846/great_italian_motorbike_display/
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Re: OT Graphic images

[Dario Bonazza]

Color TV broadcasting started in 1975 in Italy, hence that B&W report should 
better be dated 1971-1974.
Dario

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>
>>
>> From: "Dario Bonazza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Date: 2008/07/17 Thu PM 12:59:36 GMT
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Subject: Re: OT Graphic images
>>
>> I had never seen that! And the old Falcone!
>> For anybody interested to know, it was recorded between 1971 and 1978, as
>> President Leone was on the stage.
>> Thanks Mike,
>> Dario
>
> My pleasure.  I had it dated as much earlier than that.  Shows what a B&W 
> conversion can do for you8-)
>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "mike wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 2:22 PM
>> Subject: OT Graphic images
>>
>>
>> > In the sense of art, rather than violent.
>> >
>> > Oh, and some motorcycles, too.  Probably not much good for dialuppers.
>> >
>> > http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1497846/great_italian_motorbike_display/
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Re: OT Graphic images

[mike wilson]

> 
> From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2008/07/17 Thu PM 01:21:26 GMT
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> - Original Message - 
> From: "mike wilson"
> Subject: OT Graphic images
> 
> 
> > In the sense of art, rather than violent.
> > 
> > Oh, and some motorcycles, too.  Probably not much good for dialuppers.
> > 
> > http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1497846/great_italian_motorbike_display/
> > 
> 
> Amazing that none of them broke down during that display.
> 
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It's Italy.  No rain.


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Re: OT Graphic images

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> 
> From: "Dario Bonazza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2008/07/17 Thu PM 12:59:36 GMT
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> Subject: Re: OT Graphic images
> 
> I had never seen that! And the old Falcone!
> For anybody interested to know, it was recorded between 1971 and 1978, as 
> President Leone was on the stage.
> Thanks Mike,
> Dario

My pleasure.  I had it dated as much earlier than that.  Shows what a B&W 
conversion can do for you8-)

> 
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> 
> 
> > In the sense of art, rather than violent.
> >
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> >
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Re: PESO: Sunflower with stronger contrast for Jack :-)

[Christine Aguila]

Thanks, Derby.  Cheers, Christine


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>
> Sorry, Christine, I didn't catch the original, but this one pops.
> Fractilicious
>
> D
>
>
>
> Christine Aguila wrote:
>> Thanks, Rick!  Much appreciated.  Cheers, Christine
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Rick Womer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 7:24 PM
>> Subject: Re: PESO: Sunflower with stronger contrast for Jack :-)
>>
>>
>>
>>> I like this better.  Nice composition.
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
>>> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Tue, 7/15/08, Christine Aguila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>  Anyway,
>>>
 good suggestion about contrast.  How does this look?  Hey,
 sorry to hear
 about the surgery on your wrist, right?  Here's wishing
 you speedy recovery!
 Thanks for commenting & looking.

 contrast was 25, pushed it up to 55 in Lightroom
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7563706

 Cheers, Christine

>>>
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Re: Far Out!!

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On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 5:30 AM, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well, if he counts me amongst the idiots, he fails to realize I
> killfiled his ass years ago, I no longer see his posts because
> opinionated a**h***s can sometimes push my buttons.  I really enjoy a
> good poisoned pen letter but,  to be a real idiot I would actually pay
> attention...
>

Looks like your paying attention there Peter.
FWIW, I don't consider you one of the idiots. I killfiled you simply
because I violently disagree with your dinosaur politics.
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Re: PESO: Sunflower with stronger contrast for Jack :-)

[Christine Aguila]

Thanks, Frank.  Cheers, Christine


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Subject: Re: PESO: Sunflower with stronger contrast for Jack :-)


> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 5:56 PM, Christine  Aguila
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hey there, Jack:  Steamy today in Chicago.  Just got off the tennis 
>> courts
>> with my nephew--he wanted a lesson--gosh darn am I out of shape!  Anyway,
>> good suggestion about contrast.  How does this look?  Hey, sorry to hear
>> about the surgery on your wrist, right?  Here's wishing you speedy 
>> recovery!
>> Thanks for commenting & looking.
>>
>> contrast was 25, pushed it up to 55 in Lightroom
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7563706
>>
>
> I didn't see the (darker) original, but I do like this one a lot, 
> Christine.
>
> cheers,
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Re: PESO 2008 - 118 - GDG

[Rick Womer]

I really like the composition, but I'm not crazy about the rendering.  The 
pavement and background seem very dark.

Rick

http://photo.net/photos/RickW


--- On Thu, 7/17/08, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: PESO 2008 - 118 - GDG
> To: "PAW Picture-A-Week project" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
> "SeePhoto Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "PDML List" , "DUG" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008, 1:19 AM
> On last Tuesday evening's San Jose downtown shoot...
> 
> http://homepage.mac.com/godders/118-assistance.jpg
> Assistance - This Cafe Life 2008
> Panasonic L1 + Olympus ZD 11-22/2.8-3.5
> ISO 400 @ f/4 @ 1/50 sec, fl=20mm
> 
> Comments and critique always appreciated.
> 
> enjoy
> Godfrey
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Re: PESO: Wedding Picture

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "gldnbearz" 
Subject: Re: PESO: Wedding Picture


> Just catching up on the list and saw this photo.  Wow.  A tender
> moment well caught.
> 

>> http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/newer/touching.html

Thank you

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Re: OT Graphic images

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
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Subject: OT Graphic images


> In the sense of art, rather than violent.
> 
> Oh, and some motorcycles, too.  Probably not much good for dialuppers.
> 
> http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1497846/great_italian_motorbike_display/
> 

Amazing that none of them broke down during that display.

William Robb

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Re: Far Out!!

[William Robb]

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Subject: Re: Far Out!!


>
> Thank you Adam for taking one for the team, being the straight man in
> the superb thread. Funniest thing I've read for a while
>

I managed one a few years ago by coming up with more outlandish arguments with 
every post. I 
think I pushed it to 500 posts in the thread. I ended it when people started 
emailing me 
privately to please just put the thing to death.

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Re: 5D enablement by proxy

[Christine Aguila]

Cory:  The only mixer I know anything about is my Kitchen Aid, which mixes 
up some very nice baking powder biscuits, but I'm sure your new mixer is 
very nice too ;-)  Congrats & hope all goes well with the new equipment. 
Cheers, Christine


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> No, it's not a Cannon.
> No, I don't own it.
>
> Here's a quick shot of the new digital audio mixer in the control room
> at work:
>
> http://cwaters.smugmug.com/gallery/2793835_9yqag#333453567_nmtG6-A-LB
>
> The story is in my blog too.
> http://houseaudioguy.blogspot.com/
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pdmlpug site - update

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Scott Loveless wrote:
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Re: OT Graphic images

[Dario Bonazza]

I had never seen that! And the old Falcone!
For anybody interested to know, it was recorded between 1971 and 1978, as 
President Leone was on the stage.
Thanks Mike,
Dario


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Subject: OT Graphic images


> In the sense of art, rather than violent.
>
> Oh, and some motorcycles, too.  Probably not much good for dialuppers.
>
> http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1497846/great_italian_motorbike_display/
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OT Graphic images

[mike wilson]

In the sense of art, rather than violent.

Oh, and some motorcycles, too.  Probably not much good for dialuppers.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1497846/great_italian_motorbike_display/


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Re: PESO - Lady Sings the Blues

[Paul Stenquist]

Nice. I like both the light and the moment.
Paul

> Doug Brewer wrote:
>> enjoy
>>
>> http://www.drivingtheflies.com/?p=290
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Re: OT: 5D enablement by proxy

[David Savage]

Ahh buttons.

I like buttons.

Cheers,

Dave

2008/7/17 Cory Waters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> No, it's not a Cannon.
> No, I don't own it.
>
> Here's a quick shot of the new digital audio mixer in the control room
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>
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> http://houseaudioguy.blogspot.com/
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Re: PESO: History

[David J Brooks]

Good use for the fisheye here Rick.

The for ground curve is really nice.

Dave

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> Next to the Reichstag in Berlin are two very striking modern office 
> buildings, flanking the canal.  They are huge; note the sizes of the people 
> in the center and mid-left.  The crosses commemorate those who were killed 
> trying to swim the canal to escape East Berlin in the days of the Wall.  It 
> is very sobering.
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7568895&size=lg
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> K10D, DA 10-17 fisheye, ISO 100, f/8 @ 1/500, RAW via LR.
>
> Rick
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Re: 60-250

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On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 5:41 PM, Tim Øsleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 2008/7/16 Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> I wonder if anyone else has noticed that they put the tripod bush in
>> the wrong place.
>>
> It is very handy to be able to rotate the tripod mount when you
> handhold the camera/lens. If not, the tripod mount gets in the way of
> a good grip.

My 70-200 rotates and it also has two tripod mount holes. This helps
when mounting a camera like my D2H or i suppose one with a grip, as
the mount is pretty tight against the tripod this way.

My Sigma 100-500 is a bugger to mount on my old Manfrotto tripod, but
better with the Slik 700 Pro. Smaller head i suppose, like the
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Re: PESO: Sunflower with stronger contrast for Jack :-)

[Derby Chang]

Sorry, Christine, I didn't catch the original, but this one pops. 
Fractilicious

D



Christine Aguila wrote:
> Thanks, Rick!  Much appreciated.  Cheers, Christine
>
>
> - Original Message - 
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> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 7:24 PM
> Subject: Re: PESO: Sunflower with stronger contrast for Jack :-)
>
>
>   
>> I like this better.  Nice composition.
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
>>
>>
>> --- On Tue, 7/15/08, Christine Aguila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>  Anyway,
>> 
>>> good suggestion about contrast.  How does this look?  Hey,
>>> sorry to hear
>>> about the surgery on your wrist, right?  Here's wishing
>>> you speedy recovery!
>>> Thanks for commenting & looking.
>>>
>>> contrast was 25, pushed it up to 55 in Lightroom
>>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7563706
>>>
>>> Cheers, Christine
>>>   
>>
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Re: OT Mac question for the collective, small that it may be

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On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 3:26 AM, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 16/7/08, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>Monday i noticed i had "lost" about 5 gig of space, and i decided to
>>trash the trash.
>>
>>That seemed to bring it back the last time.
>>
>>Now, every time i log on to the computer, i get a pop up screen
>>saying" You do not have permission to delete file-"about your
>>idisk.rtf."
>>
>>Also the same day, i had a screen pop up to say i needed more space
>>added for my idisk.
>>
>>Could this be were my 5 gig went and why i am getting this new message.??
>>
>>No big deal, i just close the pop up screen, more just curious.
>
> Dave, when was the last time you repaired Disk Permissions?

Tuesday morning.
>
> This should be done about once a month.

I try for once a month, and usually do.:-)

>
> Do you just close the lid when not in use (sleep) ?  When's the last
> time you actually shut down?

After every use, it is only in sleep mode only if i close the lid to
fast and forget to check for fire vault actions.

Thats if your talking about the computer.
For me, i close my lids every night around 8:30.:-)

Dave
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Re: PESO - Lady Sings the Blues

[Derby Chang]

Doug Brewer wrote:
> enjoy
>
> http://www.drivingtheflies.com/?p=290
>
>   

Lovely.

Name? Band? Myspace?

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Re: PESO - 'Smokin Angel'

[Derby Chang]

Doug Brewer wrote:
> Ken Waller wrote:
>   
>> Check out http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html
>>
>> Taken in Traverse City, Michigan during the July 4th Celebration.
>> The Blue Angels are in Traverse City Michigan more often than not over the 
>> July 4th celebration.
>>
>> I took this opportunity to exercise my K20D & 300mm f 4.5 FA lens for the 
>> practice runs & one of the formal show days.
>>
>> Handheld moderate crop. Didn't bother to take the 600 as I've usually done.
>>
>> Take a look & tell me what you think!
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> Kenneth Waller
>> http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f 
>>
>>
>> 
> tremendous shot, Ken.
>
>
>
>   
That is astonishingly beautiful. Left cowling starburst - magnificent

D


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OT: 5D enablement by proxy

[Cory Waters]

No, it's not a Cannon.
No, I don't own it.

Here's a quick shot of the new digital audio mixer in the control room 
at work:

http://cwaters.smugmug.com/gallery/2793835_9yqag#333453567_nmtG6-A-LB

The story is in my blog too.
http://houseaudioguy.blogspot.com/
CW

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Re: OT Mac question for the collective, small that it may be

[mike wilson]

> 
> From: "David J Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> You've lost me already.

Mark!!


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Re: 60-250

[Thibouille]

Informations given till now by the guy (which as first seems to be a
good source but I suppose that having the lens indeed makes him a good
source...).

* AF speed seems to be pretty nice
* No internal Zoom
* Internal Focus
* Screwdrive compatible !!
* From the pictures posted, seems mighty sharp IMO.

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Re: Best SDHC card readers?

[Thibouille]

Sandisk USB 2.0 12- in -1. From memory it reads my Sandisk UltraII
cards at about 12MB/s
Oh, and if you install a small utility, the drive icon in My Computer
will get the card Icon.
Very convenient. Having 4 drives you dunno which is what is annoying.

My only complain is: why no SDHC reader with firewire connectivity !! GRR


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RE: 60-250

[mike wilson]

> 
> From: "Bob W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2008/07/16 Wed PM 08:30:01 GMT
> To: "'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'" 
> Subject: RE: 60-250
> 
> I wonder if anyone else has noticed that they put the tripod bush in
> the wrong place. 

southern hemisphere model.

> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> > Behalf Of David J Brooks
> > Sent: 16 July 2008 20:40
> > To: Pentax Discuss
> > Subject: 60-250
> > 
> > http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-slr-lens-discussion/
> > 32236-shooting-da-60-250-a.html
> > 
> > Seems some one has one in Rockford Illinois
> > 
> > Dave
> 
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Re: Far Out!!

[Derby Chang]

Thank you Adam for taking one for the team, being the straight man in 
the superb thread. Funniest thing I've read for a while

D



Scott Loveless wrote:
> Just a guess, but you might start here: 
> http://pdml.net/pipermail/pdml_pdml.net/2008-July/132893.html
>
> Gonz wrote:
>   
>> My reaction exactly.  Someone took one too many happy pillsor not
>> enough.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/15/08, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>>> Huh??
>>>
>>>
>>>  On Jul 15, 2008, at 11:45 PM, William Robb wrote:
>>>
>>>  > Or not.
>>>  > One of the really nice things about gmail is that I no longer get
>>>  > into debates with idiots. The
>>>  > other thing is that threads that go to trash due to participant
>>>  > filtering end up as a nice
>>>  > easily followed web page. Anyway, this is digression at it's best.
>>>  > That is, if digression can be at it's best.
>>>  > But, I digress.
>>>  >
>>>  > Counting the caveats, I
>>>  > seeOne...Two...Three...Four...Five...Six...Seven...Eight...Nine...
>>>  > Ten... either caveats,
>>>  > false presumptions or made up bits to forward an ever changing
>>>  > argument.
>>>  > Adam, How the hell do you expect to hit a target that moves faster
>>>  > than an email gets delivered?
>>>  >
>>>  > William Robb
>>>   
>
>
>   


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RE: PESO - 'Smokin Angel'

[Bob W]

> 
> >>Check out 
> http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html
> 
> 
> BTW I was at Farnborough air show yesterday (it's in our 
> patch and I was
> crewing the live into our show) and I saw the F-22 Raptor 
> display. That
> was pretty good.
> 

I've just been watching a clip of it on the BBC site. Is any of your
footage online?

Bob


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Re: Far Out!!

[AlunFoto]

And I have to retract mine. :-)
Wheatfield seems spot on.
As is my gMail filtering mechanism, apparently.
Jostein

2008/7/17 David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I stand by my original statement...
>
> Dave
>
> 2008/7/17 John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>
>> My guess is this was a suggestion to Adam that arguing
>> with you-know-who (YOU-KNOW-WHO?) is a waste of time.
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 06:15:24PM -0500, Gonz wrote:
>>> My reaction exactly.  Someone took one too many happy pillsor not
>>> enough.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/15/08, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> > Huh??
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >  On Jul 15, 2008, at 11:45 PM, William Robb wrote:
>>> >
>>> >  > Or not.
>>> >  > One of the really nice things about gmail is that I no longer get
>>> >  > into debates with idiots. The
>>> >  > other thing is that threads that go to trash due to participant
>>> >  > filtering end up as a nice
>>> >  > easily followed web page. Anyway, this is digression at it's best.
>>> >  > That is, if digression can be at it's best.
>>> >  > But, I digress.
>>> >  >
>>> >  > Counting the caveats, I
>>> >  > seeOne...Two...Three...Four...Five...Six...Seven...Eight...Nine...
>>> >  > Ten... either caveats,
>>> >  > false presumptions or made up bits to forward an ever changing
>>> >  > argument.
>>> >  > Adam, How the hell do you expect to hit a target that moves faster
>>> >  > than an email gets delivered?
>>> >  >
>>> >  > William Robb
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Re: PESO - 'Smokin Angel'

[Cotty]

On 15/7/08, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed:

>>Check out http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html


BTW I was at Farnborough air show yesterday (it's in our patch and I was
crewing the live into our show) and I saw the F-22 Raptor display. That
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Re: OT Mac question for the collective, small that it may be

[Cotty]

On 16/7/08, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Monday i noticed i had "lost" about 5 gig of space, and i decided to
>trash the trash.
>
>That seemed to bring it back the last time.
>
>Now, every time i log on to the computer, i get a pop up screen
>saying" You do not have permission to delete file-"about your
>idisk.rtf."
>
>Also the same day, i had a screen pop up to say i needed more space
>added for my idisk.
>
>Could this be were my 5 gig went and why i am getting this new message.??
>
>No big deal, i just close the pop up screen, more just curious.

Dave, when was the last time you repaired Disk Permissions?

This should be done about once a month.

Do you just close the lid when not in use (sleep) ?  When's the last
time you actually shut down?

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Re: 60-250

[Cotty]

On 16/7/08, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I wonder if anyone else has noticed that they put the tripod bush in
>the wrong place.

Obviates the need for black tape.

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RE: PESO 2008 - 118 - GDG

[Bob W]

Throw down thy crutches and shop.

Very good shot.

Bob 

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi
> Sent: 17 July 2008 06:20
> To: PAW Picture-A-Week project; 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]; SeePhoto Talk; PDML List; DUG
> Subject: PESO 2008 - 118 - GDG
> 
> On last Tuesday evening's San Jose downtown shoot...
> 
> http://homepage.mac.com/godders/118-assistance.jpg
> Assistance - This Cafe Life 2008
> Panasonic L1 + Olympus ZD 11-22/2.8-3.5
> ISO 400 @ f/4 @ 1/50 sec, fl=20mm
> 
> Comments and critique always appreciated.
> 
> enjoy
> Godfrey
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