Re: PESO 2008 - 149 - GDG

[Cotty]

On 28/9/08, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:

>A quiet moment while visiting friends in Northleach ...
>
>   http://homepage.mac.com/godders/149-watching-tv.jpg
>   Watching Television - Northleach 2008
>   Panasonic L1 + Olympus 25mm f/2.8
>   ISO 200 @ f/5 @ 1/40 sec
>
>Comments and critique always appreciated.

Very atmospheric and the light is sublime !


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Re: PESO Shoemobile

[Boris Liberman]

I should say that this is totally heel-arious ;-).

Boris


Christine Aguila wrote:

Hi Everyone:

On a little walkabout earlier today in downtown Chicago.  Would be 
interested in knowing which crop you prefer.


K10D, ISO 200, DA* 50mm - 135mm @ 50mm, 1/400 sec @ f4.

near full frame
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7864882

tighter
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7864878

comments/critique welcome.
Cheers, Christine 







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Re: Happy Birthday, David!

[Bob Sullivan]

Happy birthday Dave.
If it's 30, it's a high milage 30...  ;-)
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Ken Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yeah, by all means Dave, you deserve it.
>
> Oh yeah - happy birthday.
>
> What is it 30 ?
>
> Kenneth Waller
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> - Original Message - From: "Paul Stenquist"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Happy Birthday, David!
>
>
>> Today is David Brooks' birthday. So I think it's only right that we
>>  authorize him to go out and buy that 700D.
>> Seriously, have a great day, Dave.
>> Paul
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Re: PESO _ "Some of the Trees UP North" - Take II

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

That thing sticking up out of the water almost exactly dead center all  
of a sudden becomes what my eye wants to focus on with this framing. I  
think it would be stronger if that were cloned out.


Beyond that, yes, I like it more. I'm not sure about the perfect half  
top/half bottom water line, it seems a bit too symmetrical, but that's  
something you could diddle with.


G


On Sep 26, 2008, at 1:52 PM, Ken Waller wrote:


Please check out http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html

Taken with a K20D, 28-80 SMC F, on a Bogen 3221 tripod with a mini  
gear head, ISO 200 - .3 sec @ f16


A portrait orientation of the previously posted landscape.



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Re: PESO _ "Some of the Trees UP North" - Take II

[Bob Sullivan]

Ken,
I like this shot much better than the original.
I know it's counter intuitive, but I think the original had too much going on.
I couldn't settle on a single point of view.
Regards,  Bob S.

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> A portrait orientation of the previously posted landscape.
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> Comments appreciated.
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Re: Important: Orphan Works is being HOTLINED today - OUT OF BOUNDS

[Ken Waller]

So where do you keep the penguin?


At his Aunt Artica's of course.


So it migrated ?

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Subject: Re: Important: Orphan Works is being HOTLINED today - OUT OF BOUNDS



John Francis wrote:

On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 01:20:26PM -0400, John Sessoms wrote:


From: "David J Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 2:09 AM, John Sessoms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:



I DIDN'T know that.

But are you being offered any better choices than we're getting down 
here?



Some will say yes, others no.
One is tax and spend, and one is tax and still wait in long lines at a 
hospital.


So i'd say no, not much difference, except its not on many US TV 
stations.:_)



Well, I guess that's OK then, since I don't have a TV. ;-D



So where do you keep the penguin?


At his Aunt Artica's of course.



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Re: Pentax Sighting

[Ken Waller]

the actor is using a ME Super with an AF-160 flash.


Yeah but what film was he shooting ? ;+]

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Subject: Pentax Sighting



I'm watching a docu-drama about the Challenger accident. As they do
with these things nowadays they have re-enactments of pivotal events.

In the scene where engineer Roger Boisjoly first records the evidence
of damaged booster rocked section seals a year before the accident,
the actor is using a ME Super with an AF-160 flash.

I'm bored, and thought I'd share.

:-)

Cheers,

Dave



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Re: Peso: Hybiscuis

[pnstenquist]

I like this one. Missed it earlier. 
Paul
 -- Original message --
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> Gonz, Frank, Dave, Rick, and Rebekah,
> Thanks for the comments.
> It's still amazes me what you can see on a 'walk about'.
> 'Gotta find more reasons to get out.
> Regards,  Bob S.
> 
> On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 6:33 PM, Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Shot this in the AM at the Farmers Market.
> >
> > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7768051
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> > With all the talk of the 35mm macro, I just wanted to show you the
> > 31mm Limited isn't too shabby either.
> > Regards,  Bob S.
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Re: OT PS question

[Ken Waller]

i know i'm a pain


MARK !

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- Original Message - 
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Subject: Re: OT PS question


On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

I would test the theory that the red channel is any different from the
others by shooting a monochrome resolution test chart and then a series 
of

targets with red green and blue edges. Examine the results and evaluate
whether there is any truth to this alleged red channel deficiency first.

Another friend is working with the D200 quite a lot ... He does 
graphically
inspired abstracts with lots of highly colored subjects ... And I have 
seen

no evidence of unsharpness in his captured images.


See, thats just it. For the most part, static images like a head shot
or a flower etc, are ok, in my opinion.

Its just the action, jumping shots that are less than stellar, and i
cannot figure out why.

I sent a few samples to Daev S. some from the D1H and some from the
D200, using same lenses and same subjects, same weather and settings.
I felt the action ones were very soft, Dave thought they all looked
ok, the D1 stuff had more saturation he thought, and thus looked
sharper.

I am trying the various modes in the D200, Vivid, custom etc, and am
trying to see id there is a difference using them,.

I shot some stuff i'll post soon, and maybe that might tell.

Thanks for all the help in this, i know i'm a pain.

Dave


Godfrey - www.gdgphoto.com

On Sep 28, 2008, at 6:08 AM, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 10:36 PM, Derby Chang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:


I know you understand what I mean. Dave asked why his red channel 
looked
soft. I meant that looking at just one channel after demosaicing was 
not

looking at the full resolution of the sensor


It was mentioned to me on my Nikon BB, that the red channel in the
D200 "seems" to be a factor in the preceived softness on the D200
images i get. It was also suggested to go in and sharpen just that
channel, but i see no difference to that channel when i do it, and yes
looks pretty soft.Although in a horse photo, red would be the major
colour, would it not.

I'm just trying to find a work around, instead of trying the D300 or
D700, both of which have much better sharpness ratings, or lets say,
less complqaints.:-)

Dave






I humbly apologise to your Holiness I was not clear.

D


Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:


Then I don't understand your sentence below. Dave is looking at
individual
channels in RGB which, as you say, will be softer than the full three
channel composite.

At this point in the process, Bayer demosaicing and gamma 
interpolation

happened long ago ...

So what does "The Bayer demosaicing will then be trying to interpolate
from what information it has" have to do with the fact stated above?

G



On Sep 27, 2008, at 5:45 PM, Derby Chang wrote:



Yes, that's my point. If you are looking at a predominantly green
image,
the detail is in the green. Looking at the red channel means you are
looking
at rather less resolution than the full RGB image

D



Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:


When you're looking at an RGB channel file in Photoshop, the Bayer
demosaicing is long past.

Godfrey

On Sep 27, 2008, at 4:37 PM, Derby Chang wrote:



Don't forget, Dave, individual channels will be "softer" than the
full
RGB image, especially if you are looking in one channel and the 
most

of the
colours are in the other two. The Bayer demosaicing will then be
trying to
interpolate from what information it has.

D


David J Brooks wrote:


Good, its not my eyes.:-)

I tried adjusting sharpness on that channel but did not see any
change. I;'m sure i;m doing something wrong, or, the photos from 
the

D200 ARE really soft.



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Re: PESO 2008 - 149 - GDG

[pnstenquist]

A dramatic, evocative photograph. Nice work.
Paul
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> Love the rendering - really evokes a mood.
> 
> -- 
> Best regards,
> Bruce
> 
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> Sunday, September 28, 2008, 2:53:48 PM, you wrote:
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> GD> A quiet moment while visiting friends in Northleach ...
> 
> GD>http://homepage.mac.com/godders/149-watching-tv.jpg
> GD>Watching Television - Northleach 2008
> GD>Panasonic L1 + Olympus 25mm f/2.8
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Re: OT: Interesting take on the big crunch

[Bob Sullivan]

Give us a couple of weeks without the bailout and you're credit cards
won't work and neither will the ATM machines.  Have you got any
chickens to trade?
I understand those who have already lost their homes to forclosure may
see no releaf.  My understanding is that the majority of the problems
are due to bad loans in California and Florida.  And a good case can
be made that these were people just plain foolish, overspending on
their housing.  I don't care about bailing them out, just not having a
2nd Great Depression.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 10:56 PM, Subash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Sep 2008 18:30:55 -0400
> John Sessoms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Ok, I was wondering how I got that link. The man has some very
>> interesting ideas ... but what I took away from his essay about the
>> 4th quadrant is the proposed wall street bailout ain't gonna' work.
>
> don't know to what extent this actually reflects the realities on the
> ground, but if this Guardian article by Andrew Clark is true, the
> 'bailout' plan seems aimed at those responsible for the crisis. btw,
> this article was carried in the newspapers here today
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/sep/26/useconomy.usa
>
> 
> Those on the ground doubt that the Bush administration's banking
> bailout will chime agreeably with struggling families. Drew Sygit, a
> property consultant at The Lending Edge in Detroit, said: "I don't know
> if anyone in the Detroit area cares, or can see that this package is
> supposed to be in their best interests. For many people, it's a case
> of, 'Hey, I lost my house and some of the people who put us in this
> situation are being bailed out'," he said.
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Re: OT PS question

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Sep 28, 2008, at 2:54 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote:


I suspect that Dave is referencing shooting events.  They are quite
different from what you are doing.  It is more like taking the 300
images and getting rid of the few that didn't work and then
processing all the rest rather than 10-20 shots like you are doing.
Usually it is the same basic shots with different people in them.  I
have done that type of shooting many times for kid's sports.


It doesn't really work out to be that much different. With that kind  
of event, the lighting is generally fairly consistent shot to shot. If  
you have your exposure and focus on the money, they all generally take  
about the same correction and require very little individual processing.


It would go *faster* than what I do, I suspect. Of course, making  
prints would take more time as that is gated by the speed of the  
printer.


G


But, I do agree that shooting raw and then a quick basic tweak in the
raw converter is the way to go.  Lightroom is one of the converters
that makes things go much quicker.



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Re: Happy Birthday, David!

[Ken Waller]

Yeah, by all means Dave, you deserve it.

Oh yeah - happy birthday.

What is it 30 ?

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Subject: Happy Birthday, David!


Today is David Brooks' birthday. So I think it's only right that we  
authorize him to go out and buy that 700D.

Seriously, have a great day, Dave.
Paul



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Re: If Rumors Interest You

[Ken Waller]

WHY would I want to get up early if I'm gonna' have to eat worms?


So you can do it in good light?

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Subject: Re: If Rumors Interest You



From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

On 27/9/08, Joseph Tainter, discombobulated, unleashed:


>Re: The 645D:
>
>http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036&message=29477005
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>Joe


Looks like someone was up before 07:00. Early bird gets the worm  ;) 


That's one I've never really understood ... WHY would I want to get up 
early if I'm gonna' have to eat worms?



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Re: PESO 2008 - 149 - GDG

[Bruce Dayton]

Love the rendering - really evokes a mood.

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Sunday, September 28, 2008, 2:53:48 PM, you wrote:

GD> A quiet moment while visiting friends in Northleach ...

GD>http://homepage.mac.com/godders/149-watching-tv.jpg
GD>Watching Television - Northleach 2008
GD>Panasonic L1 + Olympus 25mm f/2.8
GD>ISO 200 @ f/5 @ 1/40 sec

GD> Comments and critique always appreciated.

GD> enjoy
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Re: OT - sad celebrity passing

[keith_w]

Bob Blakely wrote:
Geez Paul, I didn't know I was flaming. I certainly didn't intend to. 
I'm all alone here, and I just wanted to be "conversational". 
Nevertheless, I'm sorry. It won't happen again.


Regards
Bob...


Don't worry about it, Bob.

You've been around long enough so folks don't have to worry 'bout _you_! 

keith

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Re: Important: Orphan Works is being HOTLINED today - OUT OF BOUNDS!

[Ken Waller]

CHILDREN, CHILDREN remember

its not if you win or lose...

but how you play the game;+)

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From: "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

nazi nazi nazi nazi


You lose you lose you lose you lose
I win I win I win I win



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Re: OT PS question

[Bruce Dayton]

I suspect that Dave is referencing shooting events.  They are quite
different from what you are doing.  It is more like taking the 300
images and getting rid of the few that didn't work and then
processing all the rest rather than 10-20 shots like you are doing.
Usually it is the same basic shots with different people in them.  I
have done that type of shooting many times for kid's sports.

But, I do agree that shooting raw and then a quick basic tweak in the
raw converter is the way to go.  Lightroom is one of the converters
that makes things go much quicker.

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Sunday, September 28, 2008, 2:28:22 PM, you wrote:


GD> On Sep 28, 2008, at 2:01 PM, David J Brooks wrote:

GD> I don't know what you consider "minimal PP".

GD> All of my exposures are captured in RAW format and processed in  
GD> Lightroom, from all my cameras. I apply my own develop preset on  
GD> import and do a little frame by frame tweaking, but I only rarely  
GD> spend more than, say, two or three minutes in image processing on a  
GD> given image. Once in a while I need to do something more drastic/ 
GD> radical, or I try several different renderings with different ideas in
GD> mind for a given exposure, but it's a rarity.

GD> I can typically take 200-300 exposures, import, sort, grade and pick  
GD> 10-20 out of that, produce finish prints and web renderings in about  
GD> half an hour to an hour (if I have a deadline to push me... ). That's
GD> fairly minimal to me. :-)

GD> Godfrey


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Re: Peso: Hybiscuis

[Bob Sullivan]

Gonz, Frank, Dave, Rick, and Rebekah,
Thanks for the comments.
It's still amazes me what you can see on a 'walk about'.
'Gotta find more reasons to get out.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 6:33 PM, Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Shot this in the AM at the Farmers Market.
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7768051
>
> With all the talk of the 35mm macro, I just wanted to show you the
> 31mm Limited isn't too shabby either.
> Regards,  Bob S.
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PESO 2008 - 149 - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

A quiet moment while visiting friends in Northleach ...

  http://homepage.mac.com/godders/149-watching-tv.jpg
  Watching Television - Northleach 2008
  Panasonic L1 + Olympus 25mm f/2.8
  ISO 200 @ f/5 @ 1/40 sec

Comments and critique always appreciated.

enjoy
Godfrey

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Re: Geso Straw art

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Nice stuff, Dave!

G

On Sep 28, 2008, at 10:22 AM, David J Brooks wrote:


You can always tell its the fall time around these parts.

http://web.mac.com/barnyardcam/iWeb/Site/Straw%20Art.html

D200, in Vivid mode, photos dragged to iweb, no adjustments.

Sorry about the one vertical shot. I have tried to rotate these, but
the pop up inspector
window does not allow me to do anything other than change an aspect
ratio number.



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Re: OT PS question

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Sep 28, 2008, at 2:01 PM, David J Brooks wrote:


Its funny, the K10D and D200 are3 both in the 10 mp range, albet some
differences in sensers and processing, but i need very little to PP a
K10D file than i do with a D200.


If sharpness is your primary criteria, remember that the K10D has a  
weaker antialiasing filter than the D200 which means a bit more detail  
snap to the images, straight out of the camera, with a slight  
propensity to increased moiré artifacts in some circumstances.



So far, most things are pointing to an upgrade of some sort, to
satisfy my need for sharp images with minimal PP. Or, i just use the
D200 for NON action.


I don't know what you consider "minimal PP".

All of my exposures are captured in RAW format and processed in  
Lightroom, from all my cameras. I apply my own develop preset on  
import and do a little frame by frame tweaking, but I only rarely  
spend more than, say, two or three minutes in image processing on a  
given image. Once in a while I need to do something more drastic/ 
radical, or I try several different renderings with different ideas in  
mind for a given exposure, but it's a rarity.


I can typically take 200-300 exposures, import, sort, grade and pick  
10-20 out of that, produce finish prints and web renderings in about  
half an hour to an hour (if I have a deadline to push me... ). That's  
fairly minimal to me. :-)


Godfrey


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Re: Geso Straw art

[David J Brooks]

Thanks Dave.

Looks like i have some dust or dirt on my CCD.

Had no problem before the Nikon service back in August.

Dave

On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 2:49 PM, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Those are hilarious.
>
> Reminds me that I should stock up for Halloween.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave
>
> 2008/9/29 David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> You can always tell its the fall time around these parts.
>>
>> http://web.mac.com/barnyardcam/iWeb/Site/Straw%20Art.html
>>
>> D200, in Vivid mode, photos dragged to iweb, no adjustments.
>>
>> Sorry about the one vertical shot. I have tried to rotate these, but
>> the pop up inspector
>> window does not allow me to do anything other than change an aspect
>> ratio number.
>>
>> Dave
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Re: Happy Birthday, David!

[David J Brooks]

On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 4:40 PM, John Sessoms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>> Happy b-day Dave!
>>
>> Lisa and I are in NC at our friends' place. We'll raise a glass (or two)
>> to you tonight!
>
> Kool! Where in NC?

Top of a big hill, easy to find.:-)
>
> And happy birthday Dave ... better to have more of them than not.

So true, and thanks

Dave
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Re: Happy Birthday, David!

[David J Brooks]

Well happy one day late birthday Dave.:-)

Dave

On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 4:15 PM, David Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Oh darn, I saw this thread in my inbox and thought it was for me.
>
> My birthday was on the 27th :)
>
> - Dave
>
> PS happy birthday to the other Dave!
>
>
> Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> Today is David Brooks' birthday. So I think it's only right that we
>> authorize him to go out and buy that 700D.
>> Seriously, have a great day, Dave.
>> Paul
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Re: Happy Birthday, David!

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> Happy b-day Dave!
>
> Lisa and I are in NC at our friends' place. We'll raise a glass (or two) to
> you tonight!

Thanks, i miss that cabin. Enjoy your weekend.:-)

Oh, tell them the canoe at the side of the house has been entered in
the boat catagory for the fair.

Dave
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Re: OT PS question

[David J Brooks]

Humm. Thanks Godfrey.

Its funny, the K10D and D200 are3 both in the 10 mp range, albet some
differences in sensers and processing, but i need very little to PP a
K10D file than i do with a D200.

So far, most things are pointing to an upgrade of some sort, to
satisfy my need for sharp images with minimal PP. Or, i just use the
D200 for NON action.

Dave

On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 3:30 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> See, thats just it. For the most part, static images like a head shot
>> or a flower etc, are ok, in my opinion.
>>
>> Its just the action, jumping shots that are less than stellar, and i
>> cannot figure out why.
>>
>> I sent a few samples to Daev S. some from the D1H and some from the
>> D200, using same lenses and same subjects, same weather and settings.
>> I felt the action ones were very soft, Dave thought they all looked
>> ok, the D1 stuff had more saturation he thought, and thus looked
>> sharper.
>
> Well, the camera's capture dynamics do not change based on whether a subject
> is static or in motion, so that say to me that you can pretty much cross out
> the notion that the "red channel is less sharp" as a cause of the softer
> appearance.
>
> I think it is as Dave S. suggests: the D1 settings you're using probably
> have a bit higher contrast and saturation, which leads to a gain in
> perceptual sharpness. Also remember that the D1H is a 3Mpixel camera
> compared to the D200's 12Mpixel ... the same saturation, contrast and
> sharpening settings applied to its capture will look different ... more
> exaggerated ... than they would on similar captures coming out of the D200.
>
> I can see this effect instantly in my own work when I compare the E-1 to the
> L1 and K10D output (essentially two different resolution densities, since
> the K10D's output when cropped to the L1 format proportions are pretty much
> the same). The E-1 captures require less and more careful adjustment than
> the L1 and K10D to achieve the same perceived look, at output printing
> density that is comparable. A little too much sharpening, saturation or
> contrast adjustment has a larger influence.
>
> Godfrey
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Subject: Re: Happy Birthday, David!

[John Sessoms]

From: David Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Oh darn, I saw this thread in my inbox and thought it was for me.

My birthday was on the 27th  :) 


- Dave

PS happy birthday to the other Dave!



Well, happy birthday to you too.

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Re: Happy Birthday, David!

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From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Happy b-day Dave!

Lisa and I are in NC at our friends' place. We'll raise a glass (or two) 
to you tonight!


Kool! Where in NC?

And happy birthday Dave ... better to have more of them than not.

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Re: Important: Orphan Works is being HOTLINED

[John Sessoms]

From: John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 01:20:26PM -0400, John Sessoms wrote:

> From: "David J Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>> On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 2:09 AM, John Sessoms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>>> > I DIDN'T know that.
>>> >
>>> > But are you being offered any better choices than we're getting down here?

>>
>> Some will say yes, others no.
>> One is tax and spend, and one is tax and still wait in long lines at a 
hospital.
>>
>> So i'd say no, not much difference, except its not on many US TV stations.:_)

>
> Well, I guess that's OK then, since I don't have a TV. ;-D


So where do you keep the penguin?



On top of the fridge ... but you do know that's Off Topic and we're not 
supposed to discuss it around here anymore. ;-D


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Re: Important: Orphan Works is being HOTLINED

[John Sessoms]

From: "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

*sigh*

Maybe we should rename this to the Pedantic Discussions Mailing List.

2008/9/29 John Sessoms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> From: "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>>
>> 2008/9/28 John Sessoms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

>>>

>>> > From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



Or just skip the topics you find don't interest you. That's what I do.

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Re: Happy Birthday, David!

[David Mann]

Oh darn, I saw this thread in my inbox and thought it was for me.

My birthday was on the 27th :)

- Dave

PS happy birthday to the other Dave!


Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Today is David Brooks' birthday. So I think it's only right that we
authorize him to go out and buy that 700D.
Seriously, have a great day, Dave.
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Re: OT - sad celebrity passing

[Bob Blakely]

Geez Paul, I didn't know I was flaming. I certainly didn't intend to. I'm 
all alone here, and I just wanted to be "conversational". Nevertheless, I'm 
sorry. It won't happen again.


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From: "Paul Stenquist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


It was a joke, Bob. Didn't you read the part where I said, "Do I  really 
need a smiley." Guess I did. It was a sarcastic response to  the outcry 
over Godders alert regarding copyright laws. Sheesh. Think  before you 
flame.


On Sep 28, 2008, at 1:38 AM, Bob Blakely wrote:

C'mon there Paul. Lighten up. Ann courteously marked her post "OT". 
That's good enough for me. If it were such a bother to me to have  some 
OT posts (translation: posts that are not related to list  business so by 
definition don't belong), it would be easy for me to  set a filter to 
automatically dump them. You can do this too.  Remember, no one gets 
pissy with you for not trimming those  accumulated "PDML Pentax-Discuss 
Mail List" message trailers.




Threds about a celebrity have no place on a photography forum! :-)).
Paul
-- Original message --
From: "Steve Desjardins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I didn't know this.  One of my favorite actors.  He always struck  me 
as

the kind of person who enjoyed his life and tried to follow what he
believed.

Was his last role Doc in "Cars"?

>>> ann sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 9/27/2008 5:54 PM >>>
I'm very sad about the passing of Paul Newman one of the very
greatest of our film actors...
Will boast that I saw him on TV in the 50's (when I was in the 
theatre)


and made a point of telling
my mate I was sure he was going to go far... I can't remember the
show...
a couple of years later - 1958  I believe, I saw him on stage on
Broadway in "Sweet Bird of Youth" with Geraldine
Page and Rip Torn.   Our seats were in the balcony, but Newman's
piercing blue eyes were like beacons all the way
up to me.

I may be a bit teary over it because it is compounded by the failing
health of two of my good friends, making me more
vulnerable -  The only other time I got teared up over well-known
performers passing were those I had actually known
back in the day.



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Re: Happy Birthday, David!

[Mark Roberts]

Happy b-day Dave!

Lisa and I are in NC at our friends' place. We'll raise a glass (or two) 
to you tonight!


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Re: OT PS question

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

See, thats just it. For the most part, static images like a head shot
or a flower etc, are ok, in my opinion.

Its just the action, jumping shots that are less than stellar, and i
cannot figure out why.

I sent a few samples to Daev S. some from the D1H and some from the
D200, using same lenses and same subjects, same weather and settings.
I felt the action ones were very soft, Dave thought they all looked
ok, the D1 stuff had more saturation he thought, and thus looked
sharper.


Well, the camera's capture dynamics do not change based on whether a  
subject is static or in motion, so that say to me that you can pretty  
much cross out the notion that the "red channel is less sharp" as a  
cause of the softer appearance.


I think it is as Dave S. suggests: the D1 settings you're using  
probably have a bit higher contrast and saturation, which leads to a  
gain in perceptual sharpness. Also remember that the D1H is a 3Mpixel  
camera compared to the D200's 12Mpixel ... the same saturation,  
contrast and sharpening settings applied to its capture will look  
different ... more exaggerated ... than they would on similar captures  
coming out of the D200.


I can see this effect instantly in my own work when I compare the E-1  
to the L1 and K10D output (essentially two different resolution  
densities, since the K10D's output when cropped to the L1 format  
proportions are pretty much the same). The E-1 captures require less  
and more careful adjustment than the L1 and K10D to achieve the same  
perceived look, at output printing density that is comparable. A  
little too much sharpening, saturation or contrast adjustment has a  
larger influence.


Godfrey

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Re: Important: Orphan Works is being HOTLINED today - OUT OF BOUNDS

[P. J. Alling]

John Francis wrote:

On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 01:20:26PM -0400, John Sessoms wrote:
  

From: "David J Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 2:09 AM, John Sessoms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

I DIDN'T know that.

But are you being offered any better choices than we're getting down here?
  

Some will say yes, others no.
One is tax and spend, and one is tax and still wait in long lines at a hospital.

So i'd say no, not much difference, except its not on many US TV stations.:_)
  

Well, I guess that's OK then, since I don't have a TV. ;-D



So where do you keep the penguin?
  

At his Aunt Artica's of course.

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Re: Important: Orphan Works is being HOTLINED today - OUT OF BOUNDS

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On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 01:20:26PM -0400, John Sessoms wrote:
> From: "David J Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 2:09 AM, John Sessoms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> > I DIDN'T know that.
>>> >
>>> > But are you being offered any better choices than we're getting down here?
>>
>> Some will say yes, others no.
>> One is tax and spend, and one is tax and still wait in long lines at a 
>> hospital.
>>
>> So i'd say no, not much difference, except its not on many US TV stations.:_)
>
> Well, I guess that's OK then, since I don't have a TV. ;-D

So where do you keep the penguin?


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Re: Geso Straw art

[David Savage]

Those are hilarious.

Reminds me that I should stock up for Halloween.

Cheers,

Dave

2008/9/29 David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> You can always tell its the fall time around these parts.
>
> http://web.mac.com/barnyardcam/iWeb/Site/Straw%20Art.html
>
> D200, in Vivid mode, photos dragged to iweb, no adjustments.
>
> Sorry about the one vertical shot. I have tried to rotate these, but
> the pop up inspector
> window does not allow me to do anything other than change an aspect
> ratio number.
>
> Dave

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Re: PESO: Soccer Practice

[David Savage]

I like the almost identical stance.

Well spotted.

Cheers,

Dave

2008/9/28 Rick Womer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> There was a Youth Soccer Program practice going on in the park across from 
> our house this morning.
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7908119&size=lg
>
> K10D, DA 50-200, ISO 400, f/5.6 @ 1/250, RAW via LR.
>
> Rick

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Re: Important: Orphan Works

[Adam Maas]

On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 1:26 PM, John Sessoms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: Joseph McAllister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>> n Sep 28, 2008, at 00:26 , John Sessoms wrote:
>>>
>>> > From: "John Celio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

 >> Did any of you stop to think that maybe this is an important issue
 >>  >> to people like us?  Maybe some of you out there, who live in the US 
 >>  >>
 >> and create photographic (or other media) works that others might  >> 
 >> want to
 >> use, ought to be concerned about copyright laws?
 >> This isn't simply about politics, it's about protecting that which
 >>  >> you have created.
>>>
>>> >
>>> > My read on it is it will affect artists, authors & photographers  >
>>> > OUTSIDE the U.S. more than it might affect U.S. photographers.
>>> >
>>> > They're more likely to have works declared "orphan" because they  >
>>> > didn't previously pay to register them with some U.S. repository set  > up
>>> > for that purpose. That's one of the provisions of the act.
>>
>> It is only a provision that you MAY wish to register your work. If you  do
>> not, you are still protected exactly as you are today. If you do  register a
>> work, then you are able to sue for damages as well as  compensation for use.
>>
>
> Then that means I will NOT be protected EXACTLY as I am today, since TODAY,
> I CAN sue for damages ... and under the provisions of this act will NOT be
> able to sue for damages in the future unless I take the extra step of
> registering my works.
>

Actually, you need to have the work registered to sue for Statutory
Damages today, otherwise all you'd receive is the equivalent to
'compensation for use', exactly what you'd get under the new law.

The gist of the law is it provides a statutory framework for
determining whether or not a work is orphaned and a legal test for
what level of diligence is required for determining this. If it truly
does require 'due diligence', it will be extremely difficult to
classify any work as orphaned as 'due diligence' is just about the
strongest possible test.



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Re: Important: Orphan Works is being HOTLINED today - OUT OF BOUNDS!

[David Savage]

Don't have any Scotch. I guess bourbon will do.

As I don't have to work tomorrow I might have a couple.

Cheers

2008/9/29 P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Just pour yourself a nice stiff Scotch, it'll all be better tomorrow...
>
> David Savage wrote:
>>
>> *sigh*

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Re: OT PESOs - "Text & Pictures" & "Long Day"

[David Savage]

Sorry Dave :-)

I have a Firefox EXIF reader add on that gives the data as a right
click option. Here is the exposure details

Text & Pictures

D700, AF-D 35mm f2, 1/10 @ f2, ISO 2500

Long Day

D700, AF-D 35mm f2, 1/30 @ f2, ISO 2500

Thanks for looking & your comments.

Cheers,

Dave

2008/9/29 David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> YOU, are not making this easy, David.:-)
>
> Both are good shots, but # 1 is my favorite of the two. Like her
> expression and the angle shot.
>
> Those are very clean. Were did you hide the exif data, or do i have to
> load them in PS or something.
>
> Dave
>
> On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 12:41 PM, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> G'day All,
>>
>> Another couple of shots from the evil toy.
>>
>> I went to a mates exhibition opening Friday night & took this one
>> while having after dinner coffee:
>> 
>>
>> This is the mate in question fading fast after a long week & tiring day:
>> 
>>
>> Details in the EXIF.
>>
>> Any & all comments welcome.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Dave

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Re: If Rumors Interest You

[John Sessoms]

From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

John Sessoms wrote:

> From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>> On 27/9/08, Joseph Tainter, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>

>>> >Re: The 645D:
>>> >
>>> >http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036&message=29477005
>>> >
>>> >Joe

>>
>> Looks like someone was up before 07:00. Early bird gets the worm   ;)  

>
> That's one I've never really understood ... WHY would I want to get up 
> early if I'm gonna' have to eat worms?

It's the FUTURE man!

http://aviewfrommybalcony.wordpress.com/2008/02/24/the-solution-to-hunger-eat-bugs-says-un/


Oh yeah! I can see it now. Cockroach sushi!

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Re: Important: Orphan Works is being HOTLINED today - OUT OF BOUNDS!

[P. J. Alling]

Just pour yourself a nice stiff Scotch, it'll all be better tomorrow...

David Savage wrote:

*sigh*

Maybe we should rename this to the Pedantic Discussions Mailing List.

2008/9/29 John Sessoms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
  

From: "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


2008/9/28 John Sessoms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
  

From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

  

Now Dave, that's just gratuitous and I'll have none of it.

David Savage wrote:
  

nazi nazi nazi nazi
  

Didn't work either.
  

I tried.

i guess this is a Godwin free zone.
  

All Godwin's "law" really says is that "as a discussion thread lengthens,
the probability of someone being compared to Hitler or Nazis approaches
unity".

By TRADITION, that usually means the thread has deteriorated to the point
there's no further useful discussion. ... and whoever interjected "nazis" is
the loser.

But, IF you read the whole of Godwin's "law" and it's corollaries, you'll
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killing the discussion.

See "Quirk's Exception".

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Re: PESO: Soccer Practice

[David J Brooks]

Like the shot, and as Bruce stated nice perspective.

Dave

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> There was a Youth Soccer Program practice going on in the park across from 
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> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7908119&size=lg
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> K10D, DA 50-200, ISO 400, f/5.6 @ 1/250, RAW via LR.
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Re: Important: Orphan Works

[John Sessoms]

From: Joseph McAllister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]

n Sep 28, 2008, at 00:26 , John Sessoms wrote:

> From: "John Celio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Did any of you stop to think that maybe this is an important issue  
>> to people like us?  Maybe some of you out there, who live in the US  
>> and create photographic (or other media) works that others might  
>> want to use, ought to be concerned about copyright laws?
>> This isn't simply about politics, it's about protecting that which  
>> you have created.

>
> My read on it is it will affect artists, authors & photographers  
> OUTSIDE the U.S. more than it might affect U.S. photographers.

>
> They're more likely to have works declared "orphan" because they  
> didn't previously pay to register them with some U.S. repository set  
> up for that purpose. That's one of the provisions of the act.


It is only a provision that you MAY wish to register your work. If you  
do not, you are still protected exactly as you are today. If you do  
register a work, then you are able to sue for damages as well as  
compensation for use.




Then that means I will NOT be protected EXACTLY as I am today, since 
TODAY, I CAN sue for damages ... and under the provisions of this act 
will NOT be able to sue for damages in the future unless I take the 
extra step of registering my works.


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Re: OT PESOs - "Text & Pictures" & "Long Day"

[David J Brooks]

YOU, are not making this easy, David.:-)

Both are good shots, but # 1 is my favorite of the two. Like her
expression and the angle shot.

Those are very clean. Were did you hide the exif data, or do i have to
load them in PS or something.

Dave

On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 12:41 PM, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> G'day All,
>
> Another couple of shots from the evil toy.
>
> I went to a mates exhibition opening Friday night & took this one
> while having after dinner coffee:
> 
>
> This is the mate in question fading fast after a long week & tiring day:
> 
>
> Details in the EXIF.
>
> Any & all comments welcome.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave
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Re: Important: Orphan Works is being HOTLINED today - OUT OF BOUNDS

[David J Brooks]

On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 1:20 PM, John Sessoms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: "David J Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 2:09 AM, John Sessoms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > I DIDN'T know that.
>>> >
>>> > But are you being offered any better choices than we're getting down
>>> > here?
>>
>> Some will say yes, others no.
>> One is tax and spend, and one is tax and still wait in long lines at a
>> hospital.
>>
>> So i'd say no, not much difference, except its not on many US TV
>> stations.:_)
>
> Well, I guess that's OK then, since I don't have a TV. ;-D

First Mark, now you.??

Ok, all is forgiven.:-0

Dave
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Geso Straw art

[David J Brooks]

You can always tell its the fall time around these parts.

http://web.mac.com/barnyardcam/iWeb/Site/Straw%20Art.html

D200, in Vivid mode, photos dragged to iweb, no adjustments.

Sorry about the one vertical shot. I have tried to rotate these, but
the pop up inspector
window does not allow me to do anything other than change an aspect
ratio number.

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Re: Important: Orphan Works is being HOTLINED today - OUT OF BOUNDS

[John Sessoms]

From: "David J Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 2:09 AM, John Sessoms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I DIDN'T know that.
>
> But are you being offered any better choices than we're getting down here?


Some will say yes, others no.
One is tax and spend, and one is tax and still wait in long lines at a hospital.

So i'd say no, not much difference, except its not on many US TV stations.:_)


Well, I guess that's OK then, since I don't have a TV. ;-D

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Re: Important: Orphan Works is being HOTLINED today - OUT OF BOUNDS!

[David Savage]

*sigh*

Maybe we should rename this to the Pedantic Discussions Mailing List.

2008/9/29 John Sessoms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> From: "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>> 2008/9/28 John Sessoms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>>
>>> > From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

 >>
 >> Now Dave, that's just gratuitous and I'll have none of it.
 >>
 >> David Savage wrote:
>
> >>>
>>
>> >>> > nazi nazi nazi nazi
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Didn't work either.
>>
>> I tried.
>>
>> i guess this is a Godwin free zone.
>
> All Godwin's "law" really says is that "as a discussion thread lengthens,
> the probability of someone being compared to Hitler or Nazis approaches
> unity".
>
> By TRADITION, that usually means the thread has deteriorated to the point
> there's no further useful discussion. ... and whoever interjected "nazis" is
> the loser.
>
> But, IF you read the whole of Godwin's "law" and it's corollaries, you'll
> find you can't just inject "nazis" into a thread merely for the purposes of
> killing the discussion.
>
> See "Quirk's Exception".
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Re: Important: Orphan Works is being HOTLINED today - OUT OF BOUNDS!

[John Sessoms]

From: "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

2008/9/28 John Sessoms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>>
>> Now Dave, that's just gratuitous and I'll have none of it.
>>
>> David Savage wrote:

>>>

>>> > nazi nazi nazi nazi

>
> Didn't work either.


I tried.

i guess this is a Godwin free zone.


All Godwin's "law" really says is that "as a discussion thread 
lengthens, the probability of someone being compared to Hitler or Nazis 
approaches unity".


By TRADITION, that usually means the thread has deteriorated to the 
point there's no further useful discussion. ... and whoever interjected 
"nazis" is the loser.


But, IF you read the whole of Godwin's "law" and it's corollaries, 
you'll find you can't just inject "nazis" into a thread merely for the 
purposes of killing the discussion.


See "Quirk's Exception".

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Re: Happy Birthday, David!

[David Savage]

2008/9/29 Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On 28/9/08, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>Today is David Brooks' birthday. So I think it's only right that we
>>authorize him to go out and buy that 700D.
>>Seriously, have a great day, Dave.
>
> Affirmative.

You mean Enablement.

;-)

Cheers,

Dave

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Pentax Sighting

[David Savage]

I'm watching a docu-drama about the Challenger accident. As they do
with these things nowadays they have re-enactments of pivotal events.

In the scene where engineer Roger Boisjoly first records the evidence
of damaged booster rocked section seals a year before the accident,
the actor is using a ME Super with an AF-160 flash.

I'm bored, and thought I'd share.

:-)

Cheers,

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Re: Happy Birthday, David!

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On 28/9/08, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Today is David Brooks' birthday. So I think it's only right that we
>authorize him to go out and buy that 700D.
>Seriously, have a great day, Dave.

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Re: Happy Birthday, David!

[P. J. Alling]

David J Brooks wrote:

Thanks all.

So far so good, no new twinges, aches or pains.

Opps spoke to soon.:-)

Just so you know, today is my 27th year of being 29.:-)

Liz bought me a shirt for my BD, which is one size to small, just
added incentive to drop 10 more LB's

Dave
  

So I guess wishing you a "Hippo Birdie" is appropriate after all...


  



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OT PESOs - "Text & Pictures" & "Long Day"

[David Savage]

G'day All,

Another couple of shots from the evil toy.

I went to a mates exhibition opening Friday night & took this one
while having after dinner coffee:


This is the mate in question fading fast after a long week & tiring day:


Details in the EXIF.

Any & all comments welcome.

Cheers,

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Re: Happy Birthday, David!

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Paul Stenquist wrote:
Today is David Brooks' birthday. So I think it's only right that we 
authorize him to go out and buy that 700D.

Seriously, have a great day, Dave.
Paul

Heretic!

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Re: If Rumors Interest You

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John Sessoms wrote:

From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

On 27/9/08, Joseph Tainter, discombobulated, unleashed:


>Re: The 645D:
>
>http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036&message=29477005
>
>Joe


Looks like someone was up before 07:00. Early bird gets the worm  ;) 


That's one I've never really understood ... WHY would I want to get up 
early if I'm gonna' have to eat worms?

It's the FUTURE man!

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Re: Happy Birthday, David!

[Bruce Dayton]

Tanjobi Omedeto!  Happy Birthday!

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Sunday, September 28, 2008, 5:50:18 AM, you wrote:

PS> Today is David Brooks' birthday. So I think it's only right that we  
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PS> Seriously, have a great day, Dave.
PS> Paul

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Re: Mama's taking Kodachrome away

[Norm Baugher]

You bastard, I can't even imagine how your backyard feels. I hope it 
survived...

Norm
P.S. You owe me a call

Cesar Matamoros II wrote:


 I was shooting my back yard vista yesterday. 


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Re: St. Petersburg Youth Accordion Orchestra it Tallinn

[Bruce Dayton]

The first is my favorite.  It shows the most concentration and
passion on the part of the musician.  A bit of fill flash would have
opened up the shadows just a bit more.  Nice shot, Roman.

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Saturday, September 27, 2008, 2:11:18 PM, you wrote:

RM> 
http://roman.blakout.net/?year=2008&s=0&category=portrait&blog=20080927224146
RM> ^^^ I'll equip story with the names of the solists later on, it has been
RM> a lot of work with photos for one day and I kinda like em. Comments are
RM> always welcome. You may browse through entire 4 sets. I can barely keep
RM> my eyes open. It's one exxhausting, yet lovely day...



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Re: Important: Orphan Works

[Joseph McAllister]

On Sep 28, 2008, at 00:26 ,  John Sessoms wrote:


From: "John Celio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Did any of you stop to think that maybe this is an important issue  
to people like us?  Maybe some of you out there, who live in the US  
and create photographic (or other media) works that others might  
want to use, ought to be concerned about copyright laws?
This isn't simply about politics, it's about protecting that which  
you have created.


My read on it is it will affect artists, authors & photographers  
OUTSIDE the U.S. more than it might affect U.S. photographers.


They're more likely to have works declared "orphan" because they  
didn't previously pay to register them with some U.S. repository set  
up for that purpose. That's one of the provisions of the act.


It is only a provision that you MAY wish to register your work. If you  
do not, you are still protected exactly as you are today. If you do  
register a work, then you are able to sue for damages as well as  
compensation for use.


Any image you want to protect from infringement has to be previously  
registered. If it's not registered, the infringer can claim immunity  
from damages because he "believed" it was an orphan work. That  
"belief" is all the defense he'll need under this act.


No, the infringer has to PROVE he has searched with due diligence  
BEFORE the work was used. Proof has to be in documented form.


And, BTW, once the infringer has invoked his "I honestly believed it  
was an orphan work" defense, not only can you not obtain damages,  
you won't even be allowed to stop him infringing you copyright.  
Under the law, he'll have a "fair use" right to continue using your  
work without giving you a red cent.


Again, not true. IF you have the work registered, you can collect  
damages. If not, your copyright by current standards forces the  
infringer to PAY YOU FOR THAT USE at a rate defined by current  
standards. If they continue to use it, they continue to pay you. If  
you ask them to stop, they MUST stop, and pay you for use up to that  
moment.


The part of the proposed law that is hard on artists and media  
creators is that it is up to the copyright holder to "discover" the  
unauthorized use before they can do anything about it. Methods of data  
basing or publishing your ownership of all your works are still being  
debated, allowing searches to be successful by some sort of matching  
description like the metadata and/or a checksum of the data contained  
in a predetermined sector of the primary subject of the image. Some  
sort of search engine would have to be put in place to crawl online  
for evidence of your property, as well as some way for users of your  
work to have to publish online that use even if it is not used online.


As far as costs for registering, what is being looked at are ways to  
register "collections" of works, like "All photographs of copyright  
holder in his/her titled collection 'My life from 1990 thru 2008' or  
'Joe Schmoe's images of nature as he sees it'" as one work, registered  
for a fee like $35. The perceived downside of any publication of your  
works in order to protect them puts them out there to more easily by  
harvested by infringers, though I imagine that low res. versions with  
visible heavy watermarks through the center would suffice to claim the  
work as yours yet make it unusable by someone wishing to infringe.  
Still a burden for the artist to collect everything and publish it for  
protection.


So you see, there are many ways to protect your work that are yet to  
be worked out, and I'm sure they will be. There is no finished take on  
the entities to be created by which you CAN register your works  
allowing you to collect damages for infringement, nor on the fees for  
such registration.


As I have posted elsewhere, I personally am tired of and amused by the  
artist's community running around online crying "The sky is falling"  
when few if any know what the sky is,  what color it is, or where it  
may fall, if at all. I have as yet to see any post that correctly  
states the truth as it is currently, including my own. But I think  
reading the legislation in situ, and as much published by both sides  
will give you a better sense than reacting to the bulk mail pleas for  
help to defeat a law that may in fact benefit creators of content art.


If you really want to be on the cutting edge of this legislation, hire  
a lawyer to advise you and keep you up to date on the process.


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Re: Happy Birthday, David!

[David J Brooks]

Thanks all.

So far so good, no new twinges, aches or pains.

Opps spoke to soon.:-)

Just so you know, today is my 27th year of being 29.:-)

Liz bought me a shirt for my BD, which is one size to small, just
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Re: Important: Orphan Works is being HOTLINED today - OUT OF BOUNDS!

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On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 2:09 AM, John Sessoms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I DIDN'T know that.
>
> But are you being offered any better choices than we're getting down here?

Some will say yes, others no.
One is tax and spend, and one is tax and still wait in long lines at a hospital.

So i'd say no, not much difference, except its not on many US TV stations.:_)

Dave
>
> From: "David J Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


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Re: OT PS question

[David J Brooks]

On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I would test the theory that the red channel is any different from the
> others by shooting a monochrome resolution test chart and then a series of
> targets with red green and blue edges. Examine the results and evaluate
> whether there is any truth to this alleged red channel deficiency first.
>
> Another friend is working with the D200 quite a lot ... He does graphically
> inspired abstracts with lots of highly colored subjects ... And I have seen
> no evidence of unsharpness in his captured images.

See, thats just it. For the most part, static images like a head shot
or a flower etc, are ok, in my opinion.

Its just the action, jumping shots that are less than stellar, and i
cannot figure out why.

I sent a few samples to Daev S. some from the D1H and some from the
D200, using same lenses and same subjects, same weather and settings.
I felt the action ones were very soft, Dave thought they all looked
ok, the D1 stuff had more saturation he thought, and thus looked
sharper.

I am trying the various modes in the D200, Vivid, custom etc, and am
trying to see id there is a difference using them,.

I shot some stuff i'll post soon, and maybe that might tell.

Thanks for all the help in this, i know i'm a pain.

Dave
>
> Godfrey - www.gdgphoto.com
>
> On Sep 28, 2008, at 6:08 AM, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 10:36 PM, Derby Chang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>> I know you understand what I mean. Dave asked why his red channel looked
>>> soft. I meant that looking at just one channel after demosaicing was not
>>> looking at the full resolution of the sensor
>>
>> It was mentioned to me on my Nikon BB, that the red channel in the
>> D200 "seems" to be a factor in the preceived softness on the D200
>> images i get. It was also suggested to go in and sharpen just that
>> channel, but i see no difference to that channel when i do it, and yes
>> looks pretty soft.Although in a horse photo, red would be the major
>> colour, would it not.
>>
>> I'm just trying to find a work around, instead of trying the D300 or
>> D700, both of which have much better sharpness ratings, or lets say,
>> less complqaints.:-)
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I humbly apologise to your Holiness I was not clear.
>>>
>>> D
>>>
>>>
>>> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

 Then I don't understand your sentence below. Dave is looking at
 individual
 channels in RGB which, as you say, will be softer than the full three
 channel composite.

 At this point in the process, Bayer demosaicing and gamma interpolation
 happened long ago ...

 So what does "The Bayer demosaicing will then be trying to interpolate
 from what information it has" have to do with the fact stated above?

 G



 On Sep 27, 2008, at 5:45 PM, Derby Chang wrote:

>
> Yes, that's my point. If you are looking at a predominantly green
> image,
> the detail is in the green. Looking at the red channel means you are
> looking
> at rather less resolution than the full RGB image
>
> D
>
>
>
> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>>
>> When you're looking at an RGB channel file in Photoshop, the Bayer
>> demosaicing is long past.
>>
>> Godfrey
>>
>> On Sep 27, 2008, at 4:37 PM, Derby Chang wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Don't forget, Dave, individual channels will be "softer" than the
>>> full
>>> RGB image, especially if you are looking in one channel and the most
>>> of the
>>> colours are in the other two. The Bayer demosaicing will then be
>>> trying to
>>> interpolate from what information it has.
>>>
>>> D
>>>
>>>
>>> David J Brooks wrote:

 Good, its not my eyes.:-)

 I tried adjusting sharpness on that channel but did not see any
 change. I;'m sure i;m doing something wrong, or, the photos from the
 D200 ARE really soft.


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Re: Happy Birthday, David!

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Happy Birthday mate.

2008/9/28 Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Today is David Brooks' birthday. So I think it's only right that we
> authorize him to go out and buy that 700D.
> Seriously, have a great day, Dave.
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Re: OT PS question

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I would test the theory that the red channel is any different from the  
others by shooting a monochrome resolution test chart and then a  
series of targets with red green and blue edges. Examine the results  
and evaluate whether there is any truth to this alleged red channel  
deficiency first.


Another friend is working with the D200 quite a lot ... He does  
graphically inspired abstracts with lots of highly colored  
subjects ... And I have seen no evidence of unsharpness in his  
captured images.


Godfrey - www.gdgphoto.com

On Sep 28, 2008, at 6:08 AM, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 10:36 PM, Derby Chang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:


I know you understand what I mean. Dave asked why his red channel  
looked
soft. I meant that looking at just one channel after demosaicing  
was not

looking at the full resolution of the sensor


It was mentioned to me on my Nikon BB, that the red channel in the
D200 "seems" to be a factor in the preceived softness on the D200
images i get. It was also suggested to go in and sharpen just that
channel, but i see no difference to that channel when i do it, and yes
looks pretty soft.Although in a horse photo, red would be the major
colour, would it not.

I'm just trying to find a work around, instead of trying the D300 or
D700, both of which have much better sharpness ratings, or lets say,
less complqaints.:-)

Dave






I humbly apologise to your Holiness I was not clear.

D


Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:


Then I don't understand your sentence below. Dave is looking at  
individual
channels in RGB which, as you say, will be softer than the full  
three

channel composite.

At this point in the process, Bayer demosaicing and gamma  
interpolation

happened long ago ...

So what does "The Bayer demosaicing will then be trying to  
interpolate

from what information it has" have to do with the fact stated above?

G



On Sep 27, 2008, at 5:45 PM, Derby Chang wrote:



Yes, that's my point. If you are looking at a predominantly green  
image,
the detail is in the green. Looking at the red channel means you  
are looking

at rather less resolution than the full RGB image

D



Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:


When you're looking at an RGB channel file in Photoshop, the Bayer
demosaicing is long past.

Godfrey

On Sep 27, 2008, at 4:37 PM, Derby Chang wrote:



Don't forget, Dave, individual channels will be "softer" than  
the full
RGB image, especially if you are looking in one channel and the  
most of the
colours are in the other two. The Bayer demosaicing will then  
be trying to

interpolate from what information it has.

D


David J Brooks wrote:


Good, its not my eyes.:-)

I tried adjusting sharpness on that channel but did not see any
change. I;'m sure i;m doing something wrong, or, the photos  
from the

D200 ARE really soft.



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Re: Happy Birthday, David!

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Today is David Brooks' birthday. So I think it's only right that we  
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Re: Happy Birthday, David!

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Paul Stenquist wrote:

Today is David Brooks' birthday. So I think it's only right that we  
authorize him to go out and buy that 700D.

Seriously, have a great day, Dave.
Paul 


ditto - but Dave, Don't buy the lens...

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Re: happy bday dave

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Like others said... You nd that D700 :-)

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Re: OT - sad celebrity passing

[ann sanfedele]

Paul Stenquist wrote:

...Think  before you flame. 



MARK!

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Re: OT - sad celebrity passing

[ann sanfedele]

Bob -
Paul WAS JUST KIDDING!  I knew it :)

ann

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That's good enough for me. If it were such a bother to me to have some 
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Threds about a celebrity have no place on a photography forum! :-)).
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I didn't know this.  One of my favorite actors.  He always struck me as
the kind of person who enjoyed his life and tried to follow what he
believed.

Was his last role Doc in "Cars"?

>>> ann sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 9/27/2008 5:54 PM >>>
I'm very sad about the passing of Paul Newman one of the very
greatest of our film actors...
Will boast that I saw him on TV in the 50's (when I was in the theatre)

and made a point of telling
my mate I was sure he was going to go far... I can't remember the
show...
a couple of years later - 1958  I believe, I saw him on stage on
Broadway in "Sweet Bird of Youth" with Geraldine
Page and Rip Torn.   Our seats were in the balcony, but Newman's
piercing blue eyes were like beacons all the way
up to me.

I may be a bit teary over it because it is compounded by the failing
health of two of my good friends, making me more
vulnerable -  The only other time I got teared up over well-known
performers passing were those I had actually known
back in the day.

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Re: Mama's taking Kodachrome away

[Cesar Matamoros II]

frank theriault wrote:

On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 9:25 PM, Cesar Matamoros II
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

I guess it was inevitable.  It is still sad to accept it.
I started in photography, formally, in 1983.  Beginning with my first 35mm
camera I devoured all things photSographic.
At a time I shot both print and slide film.  The slide film was for me, the
print film to show friends and family.  I tried to shoot slow film and
Kodachrome.  Eventually it became too much of a hassle to send out the film
to develop.  They even ended up sending me a roll that was not even mine.
 That was the last straw.
Though my slides are 'archived' since my stay in Baltimore, I may have to
bring them out to find my last use of Kodachrome.  I am almost positive that
the should would have been taken with an LX :-)

Hmmm, maybe I should push a roll through one of my LXen.

Thinking about finishing a roll of Ektachrome in my 67 this weekend,



Where does the snakeskin come into all this?

;-)

How's it going, Cesar?  Haven't seen you around these parts for a while!

cheers,
frank

  

Hi Frank,

I know I have been too quiet.  A lot has been going on to keep me busy - 
I have not even been shooting :-(


Let's see, the snakeskin would come into play quite readily.  Being that 
I have a small sample of them I can go traditional or not on these.


Trying out some film that may have gone through temperature extremes, I 
was shooting my back yard vista yesterday.  I had the 645n (165 print), 
the *ist D, and the 67 (100 slide) side by side shooting the scene.


Curious to see how the shots will turn out.

I will peek in from time to time,

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Re: Happy Birthday, David!

[Rebekah]

w00t!

Happy birthday David   ♥

rg2




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> Yeah, right. David, the D700 is waiting for ya...
>
> Happy Birthday and let your trigger finger be always happy ;-).
>
> On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 3:50 PM, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Re: OT PS question

[David J Brooks]

On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 10:36 PM, Derby Chang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I know you understand what I mean. Dave asked why his red channel looked
> soft. I meant that looking at just one channel after demosaicing was not
> looking at the full resolution of the sensor

It was mentioned to me on my Nikon BB, that the red channel in the
D200 "seems" to be a factor in the preceived softness on the D200
images i get. It was also suggested to go in and sharpen just that
channel, but i see no difference to that channel when i do it, and yes
looks pretty soft.Although in a horse photo, red would be the major
colour, would it not.

I'm just trying to find a work around, instead of trying the D300 or
D700, both of which have much better sharpness ratings, or lets say,
less complqaints.:-)

Dave




>
> I humbly apologise to your Holiness I was not clear.
>
> D
>
>
> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>>
>> Then I don't understand your sentence below. Dave is looking at individual
>> channels in RGB which, as you say, will be softer than the full three
>> channel composite.
>>
>> At this point in the process, Bayer demosaicing and gamma interpolation
>> happened long ago ...
>>
>> So what does "The Bayer demosaicing will then be trying to interpolate
>> from what information it has" have to do with the fact stated above?
>>
>> G
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 27, 2008, at 5:45 PM, Derby Chang wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Yes, that's my point. If you are looking at a predominantly green image,
>>> the detail is in the green. Looking at the red channel means you are looking
>>> at rather less resolution than the full RGB image
>>>
>>> D
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

 When you're looking at an RGB channel file in Photoshop, the Bayer
 demosaicing is long past.

 Godfrey

 On Sep 27, 2008, at 4:37 PM, Derby Chang wrote:

>
> Don't forget, Dave, individual channels will be "softer" than the full
> RGB image, especially if you are looking in one channel and the most of 
> the
> colours are in the other two. The Bayer demosaicing will then be trying to
> interpolate from what information it has.
>
> D
>
>
> David J Brooks wrote:
>>
>> Good, its not my eyes.:-)
>>
>> I tried adjusting sharpness on that channel but did not see any
>> change. I;'m sure i;m doing something wrong, or, the photos from the
>> D200 ARE really soft.
>>
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Re: Happy Birthday, David!

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Yeah, right. David, the D700 is waiting for ya...

Happy Birthday and let your trigger finger be always happy ;-).

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Re: OT - sad celebrity passing

[Paul Stenquist]

It was a joke, Bob. Didn't you read the part where I said, "Do I  
really need a smiley." Guess I did. It was a sarcastic response to  
the outcry over Godders alert regarding copyright laws. Sheesh. Think  
before you flame.


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C'mon there Paul. Lighten up. Ann courteously marked her post "OT".  
That's good enough for me. If it were such a bother to me to have  
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Threds about a celebrity have no place on a photography forum! :-)).
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I didn't know this.  One of my favorite actors.  He always struck  
me as

the kind of person who enjoyed his life and tried to follow what he
believed.

Was his last role Doc in "Cars"?

>>> ann sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 9/27/2008 5:54 PM >>>
I'm very sad about the passing of Paul Newman one of the very
greatest of our film actors...
Will boast that I saw him on TV in the 50's (when I was in the  
theatre)


and made a point of telling
my mate I was sure he was going to go far... I can't remember the
show...
a couple of years later - 1958  I believe, I saw him on stage on
Broadway in "Sweet Bird of Youth" with Geraldine
Page and Rip Torn.   Our seats were in the balcony, but Newman's
piercing blue eyes were like beacons all the way
up to me.

I may be a bit teary over it because it is compounded by the failing
health of two of my good friends, making me more
vulnerable -  The only other time I got teared up over well-known
performers passing were those I had actually known
back in the day.

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Happy Birthday, David!

[Paul Stenquist]

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Re: OT PS question

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Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
You can be as snippish and haughty as you want, Derby, but your 
comment about "Bayer demosaicing" didn't make any sense and had 
nothing to do with the issue. It was nonsense speak: I had no idea 
what you were talking about.






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Re: OT - sad celebrity passing

[Cotty]

On 27/9/08, Bob Blakely, discombobulated, unleashed:

>C'mon there Paul. Lighten up. Ann courteously marked her post "OT". That's
>good enough for me. If it were such a bother to me to have some OT posts
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Re: Important: Orphan Works is being HOTLINED today - OUT OF BOUNDS!

[John Celio]

2008/9/28 John Sessoms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


Now Dave, that's just gratuitous and I'll have none of it.

David Savage wrote:


> nazi nazi nazi nazi


Didn't work either.


I tried.

i guess this is a Godwin free zone.


Mentioning Nazis or Hitler with the intention of invoking Godwin's Law 
pretty much invalidates the invocation of the law.  See "Quirk's Exception."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

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Re: OT - sad driver passing - was - sad celebrity passing

[John Francis]

On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 03:24:54AM -0400, John Francis wrote:

> - while he (PJN)  ...

That's a typo - it should read PLN, of course.

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Re: PESO: Soccer Practice

[Bruce Dayton]

Having shot the last several games of my daughter's, I can relate to
this shot.  I like how it makes me really pick up on what looks like
perhaps the coach talking to the girls.  Interesting perspective.

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Saturday, September 27, 2008, 11:24:45 AM, you wrote:

RW> There was a Youth Soccer Program practice going on in the park
RW> across from our house this morning.

RW> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7908119&size=lg

RW> K10D, DA 50-200, ISO 400, f/5.6 @ 1/250, RAW via LR.

RW> Rick




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Re: OT - sad driver passing - was - sad celebrity passing

[John Francis]

On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 07:41:02PM -0400, Ken Waller wrote:
> I'm sad too ann by his passing, for not only his acting ability but also 
> his car driving ability.
> He began competitive sports car driving relatively late in life 
> (somewhere in his 40's I believe) & was still very competitive into his 
> early 80's !

He was still pretty darn competitve around two years ago, when I last
watched him - he was driving go-karts at a fundraiser at the San Jose
ChampCar race.  I'd met him a couple of times before that (as well as
seeing him in pit lane quite a few times).  The first time I got to
talk to him was a year or so after Michael Andretti started driving
for Newman/Haas racing - while he (PJN) generally didn't want to be
photographed at the races, he was happy to pose beside the car as
"Paul Newman, race car owner", rather than "Paul Newman, celebrity".
I also got to chat with him for a while at the St. Petersburg race
where Sebastien Bourdais made his debut, and got to see a twinkle
in those blue eyes when we talked about Sebastien's potential.

Sad to see him pass, but it wasn't really a surprise - he looked
pretty frail last year, and he wasn't at the IndyCar race last
month.  not only was he said to be resting at home - his family
had gathered to be with him.


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Re: PESO: Grace in Love

[Bruce Dayton]

Hello Paul,

Even if this wasn't of Grace, it is still a very good shot.  You
really caught a moment and told a story!

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Saturday, September 27, 2008, 5:58:04 AM, you wrote:

PS> Grace has a crush on an old friend of mine: Blues singer Paul Miles.  
PS> We ran into him on a Birmingham, Michigan, street corner the other day:

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