Re: stainless film developing reels

[Larry Colen]

On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 06:42:41PM -0800, Nick David Wright wrote:
# 
# I'm looking for the stainless film developing reels that have two "hooks" 
instead of the little clip for holding the film in place. Are those what's 
known as the Hewes reels?
# 
# Does anyone have one or two they might be willing to part with for a 
reasonable price?

I'm not sure where my stainless reels are, but to be honest I never
used the clip. Once you get it started, the clip doesn't do anything,
and it's easier to get it started holding the end of the film in place
than it is clipping it in.


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Re: PDML book is live! (And, damn, you people are GOOD!)

[Stan Halpin]

Image Wrap option means that the cover photo is imprinted into the  
texture of the cover rather than having a separate glossy-paper book  
cover (dust jacket).
Advantage of Image Wrap option is that it will be more durable; with  
frequent handling, a paper dust jacket can easily be torn.
Advantage of Dust Jacket option is that the cover image will be much  
higher quality. Plus you will have whatever material the editor chose  
to put on the inside flaps front and back. Underneath the dust jacket  
is a plain black cover.
Softcover is like Image Wrap: the image is printed on the cover  
material itself and there are no inside flaps with whatever the  
editor may have included there. However, with the softcover, because  
of the material used, the image quality on the cover will be closer  
to the paper dust jacket than to the Image Wrap version. And the  
softcover itself is also prone to damage from careless handling, but  
it will be more durable than the paper dust jacket.


Summary:
Cover image quality:  Dust Jacket > Softcover >  Image Wrap
Durability of cover: Image Wrap > Softcover> Dust jacket
Durability of book: Image Wrap = Dust Jacket > Soft cover
Extra editorial material on cover flaps: Dust Jacket version only

stan

On Feb 16, 2009, at 10:52 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:


Order three copies...

What is it "picture wrap" or "image wrap" or whatever wrap option  
there is on Blurb site when you get to choose the finish of the book?


Boris


Mark Roberts wrote:
FedEx just delivered the prototype PDML book and everything looks  
OK, so I've made the page "live" and you can order as of this minute.
I've made some minor changes and corrections (typos, missing  
italics, and one duplicated photo) from the test book, but all the  
images looked fine, so I'm confident what you get will look as  
good as what I have here.
The bottom line is that you folks are some *fine* photographers!  
I'm very proud to be involved in this project!

The necessary URL's:
PDML Book "official" page: http://www.robertstech.com/pdmlbook
Blurb order page: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/572831
Like that cover image? It's a photo mosaic containing all the  
photos in the book (plus the ones that were submitted but didn't  
make it into the book due to space limitations). You can buy a  
16x20" poster of the book cover in the PDML Cafe Press shop:

http://www.cafepress.com/Robertstech.350129411
Or get a PDML Book t-shirt:
http://www.cafepress.com/Robertstech.215310085
And on a tangentially-related note, you have a new coffee mug  
option available in the PDML shop. It has the PDML logo and a Bob  
W. quotation from last year's list:

http://www.cafepress.com/Robertstech.215314652
Go to it...
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Re: Good News

[David Savage]

Most parents eventually come by the talent.

:-)

DS

2009/2/17 Boris Liberman :
> Darn, I forgot to ask Cotty to speak some cockney English to me when we met
> back in 2005. I don't recall him having any impression of even slightest
> potential to appear brow beating...
>
> ;-)
>
> Boris
>
> David Savage wrote:
>>
>> Intimidate. Bully.
>>
>> DS
>>
>> 2009/2/17 Boris Liberman :
>>>
>>> What exactly "brow-beating" means, please?
>>>
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>> Cotty wrote:

 And on-topic.

 My son Stefan has been accepted for some work experience in the
 photography dept. at our local paper, The Oxford Mail (and sister paper
 The Oxford Times) for a week in July :-) Not without a little brow-
 beating from yours truly of course, but nonetheless, here's the chap in
 action:

 

 Yes, that's a Pentax.

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Re: PDML book is live! (And, damn, you people are GOOD!)

[Boris Liberman]

Darn the keyboard. It is of course "Ordered" not "Order"...


Boris Liberman wrote:

Order three copies...

What is it "picture wrap" or "image wrap" or whatever wrap option there 
is on Blurb site when you get to choose the finish of the book?


Boris


Mark Roberts wrote:
FedEx just delivered the prototype PDML book and everything looks OK, 
so I've made the page "live" and you can order as of this minute.


I've made some minor changes and corrections (typos, missing italics, 
and one duplicated photo) from the test book, but all the images 
looked fine, so I'm confident what you get will look as good as what I 
have here.


The bottom line is that you folks are some *fine* photographers! I'm 
very proud to be involved in this project!


The necessary URL's:

PDML Book "official" page: http://www.robertstech.com/pdmlbook
Blurb order page: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/572831

Like that cover image? It's a photo mosaic containing all the photos 
in the book (plus the ones that were submitted but didn't make it into 
the book due to space limitations). You can buy a 16x20" poster of the 
book cover in the PDML Cafe Press shop:

http://www.cafepress.com/Robertstech.350129411

Or get a PDML Book t-shirt:
http://www.cafepress.com/Robertstech.215310085

And on a tangentially-related note, you have a new coffee mug option 
available in the PDML shop. It has the PDML logo and a Bob W. 
quotation from last year's list:

http://www.cafepress.com/Robertstech.215314652

Go to it...





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Re: PDML book is live! (And, damn, you people are GOOD!)

[Boris Liberman]

Order three copies...

What is it "picture wrap" or "image wrap" or whatever wrap option there 
is on Blurb site when you get to choose the finish of the book?


Boris


Mark Roberts wrote:
FedEx just delivered the prototype PDML book and everything looks OK, so 
I've made the page "live" and you can order as of this minute.


I've made some minor changes and corrections (typos, missing italics, 
and one duplicated photo) from the test book, but all the images looked 
fine, so I'm confident what you get will look as good as what I have here.


The bottom line is that you folks are some *fine* photographers! I'm 
very proud to be involved in this project!


The necessary URL's:

PDML Book "official" page: http://www.robertstech.com/pdmlbook
Blurb order page: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/572831

Like that cover image? It's a photo mosaic containing all the photos in 
the book (plus the ones that were submitted but didn't make it into the 
book due to space limitations). You can buy a 16x20" poster of the book 
cover in the PDML Cafe Press shop:

http://www.cafepress.com/Robertstech.350129411

Or get a PDML Book t-shirt:
http://www.cafepress.com/Robertstech.215310085

And on a tangentially-related note, you have a new coffee mug option 
available in the PDML shop. It has the PDML logo and a Bob W. quotation 
from last year's list:

http://www.cafepress.com/Robertstech.215314652

Go to it...





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Re: Good News

[Boris Liberman]

Darn, I forgot to ask Cotty to speak some cockney English to me when we 
met back in 2005. I don't recall him having any impression of even 
slightest potential to appear brow beating...


;-)

Boris

David Savage wrote:

Intimidate. Bully.

DS

2009/2/17 Boris Liberman :

What exactly "brow-beating" means, please?

;-)

Cotty wrote:

And on-topic.

My son Stefan has been accepted for some work experience in the
photography dept. at our local paper, The Oxford Mail (and sister paper
The Oxford Times) for a week in July :-) Not without a little brow-
beating from yours truly of course, but nonetheless, here's the chap in
action:



Yes, that's a Pentax.

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RE: Colour temp of LED stage lighting ... ?

[Anthony Farr]

If you put a white diffuser in front of the lens, or better yet get a
diffuser/lens cap like video cameras used to have, you could point the
camera at the light source and perform a custom white balance.

Regards, Anthony

-Original Message-
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
Bruce Walker
Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2009 11:02 AM
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Subject: Colour temp of LED stage lighting ... ?

As I'm encountering LED stage lighting more and more, and as my trusty 
K100D Super doesn't include a WB setting for them, a question for the 
physicists and lighting gurus on the list: what is considered to be the 
colour temperature of typically available LEDs? Is there a recommended 
near-enough equivalent setting among the WB choices?

When I run pix through ACR after the shoot, I find that I'm getting 
more-or-less reasonable results with ACR's temp/tint sliders near their 
extremes; eg 2000/-128 or else something like 11,500/-64.

(I'd love to sneek up onstage before the show and attach a grey card to 
something so I could keep calibrating during the  performance.  
Sometimes I'm lucky and there's a greyish keyboard onstage I can refer to.)

I suppose that LEDs present an near-impossible task since they are made 
up of clusters of green, red and blue LEDs whose brightness is varied to 
get the desired colour. I expect that the colour-temp of each 
colour-type of LED is different.

Anyway, anyone have a suggestion?

-bmw




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Re: How many contributors to PPG?

[Subash]

On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 22:31:33 +0100
AlunFoto  wrote:

> There are probably lots who have submitted a few and given up.
> Persistence pays off, take my word for it.

i did submit a few last year (after the peer voting came in) and after
those got rejected, did not bother to submit again. perhaps i'll submit
a few again... :)

regards, subash

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Re: Good News

[David Savage]

Intimidate. Bully.

DS

2009/2/17 Boris Liberman :
> What exactly "brow-beating" means, please?
>
> ;-)
>
> Cotty wrote:
>>
>> And on-topic.
>>
>> My son Stefan has been accepted for some work experience in the
>> photography dept. at our local paper, The Oxford Mail (and sister paper
>> The Oxford Times) for a week in July :-) Not without a little brow-
>> beating from yours truly of course, but nonetheless, here's the chap in
>> action:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Yes, that's a Pentax.
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>  Cotty

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Re: Good News

[Boris Liberman]

What exactly "brow-beating" means, please?

;-)

Cotty wrote:

And on-topic.

My son Stefan has been accepted for some work experience in the
photography dept. at our local paper, The Oxford Mail (and sister paper
The Oxford Times) for a week in July :-) Not without a little brow-
beating from yours truly of course, but nonetheless, here's the chap in
action:



Yes, that's a Pentax.

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Re: 11 years (was: 4 years)

[Bruce Dayton]

There are group shots and there are GROUP shots - sadly we were the
former.

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Monday, February 16, 2009, 7:59:12 PM, you wrote:

BW> On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 19:25:38 -0800, "Bruce Dayton"
BW>  said:
>> Well, in the group shot is a guy Jeff Geilenkerchen - never really
>> got on the list much - did shoot Pentax, though, Shel Belinkoff, John
>> Francis, Me (Bruce Dayton) and Mark Dalal.
>> 


BW> Presumably you don't mean this group shot.

BW> http://www.panix.com/~johnf/gallery/images/bruce05.jpg

:-)>>



BW> Cheers

BW> Brian

BW> ++
BW> Brian Walters
BW> Western Sydney Australia
BW> http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/
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Re: Good News

[Jack Davis]

You're, obviously, a justifiably proud Dad and a wholesome Pentax shooting roll 
model.

Jack


--- On Mon, 2/16/09, Cotty  wrote:

> From: Cotty 
> Subject: Good News
> To: "pentax list" 
> Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 2:48 PM
> And on-topic.
> 
> My son Stefan has been accepted for some work experience in
> the
> photography dept. at our local paper, The Oxford Mail (and
> sister paper
> The Oxford Times) for a week in July :-) Not without a
> little brow-
> beating from yours truly of course, but nonetheless,
> here's the chap in
> action:
> 
> 
> 
> Yes, that's a Pentax.
> 
> --
> 
> 
> Cheers,
>   Cotty
> 
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Web Hosting

[Christine Aguila]

Hi Everyone:

I'm starting my search for web hosting.  Has anyone used the following 
review sites?  Does anyone use DreamHost or JustHost.com?  If so, any 
thoughts?  Does anyone have any web host recommendations?  I'll be using the 
site for professional/work related stuff as well as ftp upload from 
Lightroom for photos.  I'd want to be able to post  multimedia stuff as 
well.  Shopping cart features won't be used in the immediate future, but I'd 
want those options for possible future growth in that area.


http://www.thetop10bestwebhosting.com/

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Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: 11 years (was: 4 years)

[Brian Walters]

On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 19:25:38 -0800, "Bruce Dayton"
 said:
> Well, in the group shot is a guy Jeff Geilenkerchen - never really
> got on the list much - did shoot Pentax, though, Shel Belinkoff, John
> Francis, Me (Bruce Dayton) and Mark Dalal.
> 


Presumably you don't mean this group shot.

http://www.panix.com/~johnf/gallery/images/bruce05.jpg

:-)>



Cheers

Brian

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Re: Ocala Breakfast Flight

[Christine Aguila]

That was lots of fun to see, Walt--especially that last one.  I hope when I 
retire I can fly the skies like you do  ;-)--and give a big salute to all 
our retired military pilots.  Cheers, Christine




- Original Message - 
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To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 2:14 PM
Subject: GESO: Ocala Breakfast Flight



http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/7376009_CJKyg#474966499_d8NCY

A week or so ago eight of us who call ourselves the "Aviation Group"
at our church made a fun flight to Ocala for breakfast. We took two
planes and swapped people on the return flight so we all (except the
two pilots) got the chance to experience each type aircraft.

I was in the Columbia 400 going and the 172 for the return flight. We
tried some air to air shots of the Columbia but the poor little 172
was bouncing up and down so much that John was a little leary of
coming in real close, so nice closeups were not possible!

The opening shot and a few others in the cockpit were with the 10~17
FE, the rest with the Sigma 17~70.  It was a fun time for all, and the
breakfast was excellemt!  The two "older" gents in the shot are both
WW2 or Korean War Vets. Bill flew B-25's in New Guinea and Japan and
Jim (the short fella) flew A-26 Invaders and the Air Force B-66.

Walt

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Re: Good News

[Christine Aguila]

Great news!  Tell Stefan big congrats from Chicago!  & I had lots of fun 
viewing the video, Cotty.  Cheers, Christine



- Original Message - 
From: "Cotty" 

To: "pentax list" 
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 4:48 PM
Subject: Good News



And on-topic.

My son Stefan has been accepted for some work experience in the
photography dept. at our local paper, The Oxford Mail (and sister paper
The Oxford Times) for a week in July :-) Not without a little brow-
beating from yours truly of course, but nonetheless, here's the chap in
action:



Yes, that's a Pentax.

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Re: 11 years (was: 4 years)

[Bruce Dayton]

Well, in the group shot is a guy Jeff Geilenkerchen - never really
got on the list much - did shoot Pentax, though, Shel Belinkoff, John
Francis, Me (Bruce Dayton) and Mark Dalal.

That was a fun outing - I got the chance to shoot with John's FA*
250-600 beast.  Very fun lens!

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Monday, February 16, 2009, 5:21:01 PM, you wrote:

JF> On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 12:38:56PM -0800, Bruce Dayton wrote:
>> 
>> Does anyone remember Mark Dalal?  I remember he organized the first
>> Norcal PDML at Muir Woods - Met John Francis there, among several
>> others.

JF> http://www.panix.com/~johnf/gallery/muir.html


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Re: GFM plans, and questions

[Doug Franklin]

AlunFoto wrote:

2009/2/16 Doug Franklin :

I don't know, can you really work my "Alien Autopsy" snoring into a harmony?
:-)


Well... we could always claim to perform atonal. :-)


Yeah?  That's a tune I might be able to carry!  Got a bucket?  I might 
need help, after all.


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Re: Tour of California

[Doug Franklin]

Larry Colen wrote:


This weather is rather frustrating, not very conducive to playing with
a 200mm lens.


Really?  Why is that?  Is the visibility below twenty feet? :-)

Actually, I'm not completely joking.  I often use a 200 at or near 
minimum focusing distance.  That's one of the reason's I'd really like 
to have an FA* 200/4 ED(IF) Macro.  Not that I have the cash to buy one, 
even in the infrequent case I run across one (two or three in eight 
years or so).


It's also one of the things I like about the Sigma APO 400/5.6 Macro (3m 
minimum focus distance at like 1:3 magnification, IIRC).  The thing I 
/don't/ like about that lens is its lack of flare control, as compared 
to Pentax glass.


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Re: 11 years

[Doug Franklin]

Beaker wrote:


Now I want a K-20D, and Katzeye focusing screen...
Dang things are addictive.


Wait'll you get the bug for glass!  I'm /so/ glad I got through a 
lot of that back when, as it turns out, Pentax lenses were going cheap. 
 I got an FA* 200/2.8 and an F* 300/4.5 for less than US$ 1,000, 
combined (Used, of course).


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Re: Good News

[Bruce Dayton]

Very cool!  A big congratulations


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Monday, February 16, 2009, 2:48:39 PM, you wrote:

C> And on-topic.

C> My son Stefan has been accepted for some work experience in the
C> photography dept. at our local paper, The Oxford Mail (and sister paper
C> The Oxford Times) for a week in July :-) Not without a little brow-
C> beating from yours truly of course, but nonetheless, here's the chap in
C> action:

C> 

C> Yes, that's a Pentax.

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Re: From out of the past...

[Jim King]

Stan Halpin wrote on Mon, 16 Feb 2009 15:00:54 -0800

I am thinking I might claim 12 years - Feb 1997. Have found some  
more notes in my "archives" that could have been pulled from the  
list archives, but I believe this was during my first year on the  
list.

Some words of wisdom from a former list member...


Still good advice, Stan.  Thanks for posting it (again).

Regards, Jim

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stainless film developing reels

[Nick David Wright]

I'm looking for the stainless film developing reels that have two "hooks" 
instead of the little clip for holding the film in place. Are those what's 
known as the Hewes reels?

Does anyone have one or two they might be willing to part with for a reasonable 
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Re: Tour of California

[Larry Colen]

On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 08:25:57PM -0500, John Francis wrote:

# > I've got a nasty feeling that this "swap for the week" is going to
# > cost me. John keeps mentioning  how he never uses the 200 now that he
# > as the 80-200. I suspect that against all common sense, sometime next
# > week I'll be asking John how much he wants for the 200. My only
# > consolation is that if he likes the 77 as much as I do, the money
# > wouldn't stay in his pocket very long.
# 
# Heh.  Wait till you get to play with the 300 ...   :-)

I notice that you didn't bring it to lunch.

This weather is rather frustrating, not very conducive to playing with
a 200mm lens.


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Re: Good News

[keith_w]

Scott Loveless wrote:

On 2/16/09, Cotty  wrote:

On 16/2/09, Scott Loveless, discombobulated, unleashed:


 >>  
 >
 >Out on a limb here, but you didn't let him pick the music, did you?


Har.

 Royalty free music - choice is not magnificent.

 I came across the footage on the computer, popped a few shots together,
 rifled for some music, any music, tidied it up. Just under an hour. It's
 not going in for an award ;-)


http://www.magnatune.com/



I like Jami Sieber's music, as long as I don't have to read about what 
his/her/it's explanation of it all is supposed to connote...


keith whaley

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Re: 11 years (was: 4 years)

[Beaker]

2.25 years-
Novemberish 2006.
I joined for an opinion of the K-100D.
Then I bought one with the Christmas promotion of the camera.
Now I want a K-20D, and Katzeye focusing screen...
Dang things are addictive.

Cheers
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Re: Good News

[keith_w]

Cotty wrote:

On 16/2/09, keith_w, undiscombobulated, lashed out:


I damn near solo'd in '45 in a light plane (Piper Cub). Had a LOT of
hours dual, and was close, but...just the way it went.




I thought you flew with the USAF?

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Cheers,

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I flew when I was very young, out of a CAA/CAP (?) dirt field airport. We flew 
tail-draggers, mostly. Civilians one and all, tail end of WWII.
I washed airplanes in return for rides, most of which I turned into learning 
sessions.  :-D


When I got old enough, I joined the Navy. Became a Corpsman ~ a surgical nurse.
Did time in Guantanamo Bay Naval Hospital, 1950 - 1953.
That was F. Batista days, pre-Castro.
When I was there, I trekked across the bay to the Naval airfield, and cadged 
rides from the pilot who flew base sanitation runs with a twin-engined F7F 
Grumman Tigercat, spraying kerosene and DDT to kill 'skeeters.

Got to handle the controls to and from the spray sites.
Yeah, I had fun!

keith

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Re: 11 years (was: 4 years)

[Larry Colen]

Tomorrow marks 3 weeks for me. And I tell you, things have really gone
down hill since the good old days.

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Re: Any one using ja;bum 8.1.7

[Brian Walters]

On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 19:10:03 -0600, "Paul Sorenson"
 said:
> Dave -
> 
> I just installed the latest version, 8.1.6, and there *is* a problem 
> with the watermark.  There's a bug that prevents the you from making a 
> color choice so the watermark shows up better.  If you increase the 
> opacity to 100% you can barely see the watermark in the image.


That's not quite what I'm seeing with 8.1.6.  On my test album the
watermark shows clearly at opacities from about 60% upwards.  I guess
visibility depend on the background tone of the images


Cheers

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Re: Good News

[Paul Stenquist]

Congratulations Cotty! That's great news.
Paul
On Feb 16, 2009, at 6:31 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote:


In a message dated 2/16/2009 2:49:13 P.M.  Pacific Standard Time,
cotty...@mac.com writes:
And on-topic.

My son  Stefan has been accepted for some work experience in the
photography dept. at  our local paper, The Oxford Mail (and sister  
paper

The Oxford Times) for a  week in July :-) Not without a little brow-
beating from yours truly of  course, but nonetheless, here's the  
chap  in

action:



Yes,  that's a Pentax.

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=
Cool! Well, good luck to him.

Get 'em when  they're young.

Marnie  ;-)

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**You can't always choose whom you love, but you can  
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RE: 11 years (was: 4 years)

[John Coyle]

I think I joined some time in 1997, when we were still hosted by Pentax USA.
The earliest message I can find is dated May 1998.
There were some interesting characters around then:
Bruce R. always claimed that Nikon was better than Pentax in every way, and
that Pentax could never make a DSLR
Suda Mafud went crazy
Brad Dobo was crazy
Kirkland R. ?? pontificated and then went crazy
The Who forgot to take his medication so often his emails were gibberish

And then there were the good guys, some of whom are still with us...


John in Brisbane





-Original Message-
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
Anthony Farr
Sent: Monday, 16 February 2009 12:28 PM
To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
Subject: RE: 11 years (was: 4 years)

10 years sometime this year for me, but I've moved addresses a couple of
times and dropped off the list during longer vacations.

What's the longest possible membership?  Any claimants?

Regards, Anthony


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Re: Tour of California

[John Francis]

On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 05:01:19PM -0800, Larry Colen wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 02:27:03PM -0500, John Francis wrote:
> # On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 12:38:44PM -0600, Stan Halpin wrote:
> # > Am off from work today - multiprocessing with Rome research, email  
> # > browsing, and watching the Tour on Versus TV. I hope all of you in the 
> # > greater SF area are out in the wet watching the race!
> 
> On my way over 17 this morning I saw quite a few cars with bike racks
> stuck in traffic on 17. There was a mudslide somewhere around Laurel
> curve and traffic was backed up to the summit, maybe past it.
> 
> 
> # 
> # I'm waiting for the decent weather later in the week :-)
> # 
> # I'm heading off down to the time trial in Solvang with
> # the 50-135 (the race was the reason I used to get the
> # lens purchase past the budget scrutiny).  I'm also doing
> # a swap with Larry for a week - he'll be playing with my
> # A* 200/2.8, and I'll have his 77mm Limited with me.
> 
> I've got a nasty feeling that this "swap for the week" is going to
> cost me. John keeps mentioning  how he never uses the 200 now that he
> as the 80-200. I suspect that against all common sense, sometime next
> week I'll be asking John how much he wants for the 200. My only
> consolation is that if he likes the 77 as much as I do, the money
> wouldn't stay in his pocket very long.

Heh.  Wait till you get to play with the 300 ...   :-)


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Re: 11 years (was: 4 years)

[John Francis]

On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 12:38:56PM -0800, Bruce Dayton wrote:
> 
> Does anyone remember Mark Dalal?  I remember he organized the first
> Norcal PDML at Muir Woods - Met John Francis there, among several
> others.

http://www.panix.com/~johnf/gallery/muir.html


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Re: Any one using ja;bum 8.1.7

[Paul Sorenson]

Dave -

I just installed the latest version, 8.1.6, and there *is* a problem 
with the watermark.  There's a bug that prevents the you from making a 
color choice so the watermark shows up better.  If you increase the 
opacity to 100% you can barely see the watermark in the image.  If 
you're in a bind and don't have a copy of an older version where the 
watermark works, let me know.  I still have a copy of an older setup 
file that I can get to you.


-p

David J Brooks wrote:

I'v tried for several hours to try and add my copy right to the center
of my photos in this new update of jalbum

Having a hell of a time. The older version let me just type in David J
Brooks, but i cant seem to do it now.

Any one use the program and can tell me how to get Copy right David J
Brooks into the center of the shot, at about 5--6-5 opacity.
I'd like to use the program for this years horse hsow pages, but if a
can t put on a water mark its not going to work for me.

I'v looked on the net, and its all greek to me, i dont understand
these filter they keep talking about.

Dave






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Re: Peso Trumpeter swans don't play well with others.

[ann sanfedele]

Dave --
missed this earlier --
whatta shot!  love it!

ann

David J Brooks wrote:


Thanks to all that commented, appreciate it.

I must admit, i was a bit unsure what kind of reaction this shot might
have gotten, but I'm glad it was positive.

Dave

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 6:20 PM,   wrote:
 


Excellent! A great catch -- for both you and the swan.
Paul
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Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2009 6:17:49 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: Peso Trumpeter swans don't play well with others.

A real action shot ! Nice.

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message -
From: "David J Brooks" 
Subject: Peso Trumpeter swans don't play well with others.


   


Popped into the farm today, to see how the schooling show was going.
Grabbed my D200 and went out to the pond to see what the water fowl
were up to.

They had just been feed some pellets, and this female mallard got into
the swans face one to many times.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=8583475

He let it go after 8-10 seconds, but he put a pretty good beating on it.

I have seen them NOT let go a few times, this duck is lucky.

D200, 80-200 F2,8 LR adjust of the raw file.

Dave

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Re: Tour of California

[Larry Colen]

On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 02:27:03PM -0500, John Francis wrote:
# On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 12:38:44PM -0600, Stan Halpin wrote:
# > Am off from work today - multiprocessing with Rome research, email  
# > browsing, and watching the Tour on Versus TV. I hope all of you in the 
# > greater SF area are out in the wet watching the race!

On my way over 17 this morning I saw quite a few cars with bike racks
stuck in traffic on 17. There was a mudslide somewhere around Laurel
curve and traffic was backed up to the summit, maybe past it.


# 
# I'm waiting for the decent weather later in the week :-)
# 
# I'm heading off down to the time trial in Solvang with
# the 50-135 (the race was the reason I used to get the
# lens purchase past the budget scrutiny).  I'm also doing
# a swap with Larry for a week - he'll be playing with my
# A* 200/2.8, and I'll have his 77mm Limited with me.

I've got a nasty feeling that this "swap for the week" is going to
cost me. John keeps mentioning  how he never uses the 200 now that he
as the 80-200. I suspect that against all common sense, sometime next
week I'll be asking John how much he wants for the 200. My only
consolation is that if he likes the 77 as much as I do, the money
wouldn't stay in his pocket very long.


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Re: PDML annual is a Blurb best seller!

[Larry Colen]

On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 11:16:47AM -0500, Scott Loveless wrote:
# http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/popular
# 
# Woohoo!

Congrats.  
Anybody thought of posting a link to it on any of the web based Pentax
fora?


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Re: How many contributors to PPG?

[Ken Waller]

Persistence pays off, take my word for it.


What he said !

Kenneth Waller
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From: "AlunFoto" 

Subject: Re: How many contributors to PPG?


I think it's great that they've attracted as many as 1192 represented
photographers.

There are probably lots who have submitted a few and given up.
Persistence pays off, take my word for it.

Jostein

2009/2/16 Tim Øsleby :

42?

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2009/2/16 AlunFoto :

Have a guess before looking at this page:

http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists

Awesome.

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Re: 11 years (was: 4 years)

[Ken Waller]

Does anyone remember Mark Dalal?


Yep. Met him at a PDML meeting out Mark Cassino's way quite a while ago..
Don't remember if it was before or after he moved to Ca.

Kenneth Waller
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From: "Bruce Dayton" 

Subject: Re: 11 years (was: 4 years)



I've been trying to remember when I came on the list - my best guess
is 1997 sometime - shortly after my son was born.  My interest in
photography was peaked then and I got going with my Super Program and
then picked up a ZX-10 and went on from there.

Does anyone remember Mark Dalal?  I remember he organized the first
Norcal PDML at Muir Woods - Met John Francis there, among several
others.

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Monday, February 16, 2009, 10:39:30 AM, you wrote:



IR> Some recollections about PDML, PUG, etc.

IR> I joined the list some time in 1997, when I purchased my
IR> first Pentax - ZX-5n. (Actually, since even before I purchased it, -
IR> as the list helped with some information on that camera and lenses.)
IR> I found it through the links on Pentax website. PDML (which probably
IR> was not called that way yet) was hosted by Pentax then.
IR> When Pentax decided that it does not want to deal with all these
IR> whiners, Doub Brewer picked up hosting of PDML.


IR> As for

Does anyone remember the name of the Scotsman who ran the first
incarnation of the PUG, before Igor struck the deal with Komkon?


IR> - I am not sure who you are talking about...
IR> :-)


Actuall, I think it might be this guy, Steven Graham...
http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/1837/gallery.html

jOstein


IR> Indeed, Steve Graham was the 2nd PUG maintainer, after Doug Brewer:
IR> http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/1837/

IR> Originally some galleries of PUG were hosted on Doug's personal 
web-space

IR> (or does my memory decieve me about this?).
IR> Unfortunately, I didn't think about creating a copy of those
IR> galleries, - and they are not available anywhere for long time.
IR> (BTW, - Doug, if you are reading this, - if you have a copy 
somewhere, -

IR> let's post them to PUG.Komkon.org , under "previous galleries")

IR> Due to the space limitation, a few galleries in late 1997 were posted 
on

IR> geocities.com :
IR> http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/1318/

IR> Having seen that, I contacted Doug and Steve, and offered hosting on
IR> Komkon server.  March 1998 gallery was the first one hosted on Komkon.

IR> With the February of 1999 gallery, a bird [grin] named Mark Cassino
IR> became the new PUG maintainer, followed by Bill Wrobb in July of 2000.

IR> The longest PUG maintainer was Adelheid von Kirschten
IR> http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/account/myprofile/529059
IR> who started with the January 2002 gallery, and prepared all galleries
IR> through June 2007. Scott picked up the baton with the July 2007 
gallery.


IR> If you carefully look at the old galleris, you will notice that 
several

IR> other people have been acknowledged for the help in enabling PUGs.
IR> I am afraid to forget somebody, but I will try to list them here:
IR> Rob Studdert, Jeff Renner, Bong Manayon, Maney Gomez, Fred Wasti,
IR> Robert Batten, Alin Flaider, Tom Van Veen, Sid Barras,
IR> Delano Mireles, Flavio Minelli, Gary L. Murphy, Michael Bromm,
IR> Yves Caudano, Jan van Wijk.

IR> Amongst them, one name is repeated over the longest period of time:
IR> Jostein Oksne. (August 2000- June 2007).
IR> He was the author and maintainer of the "AutoPUG" web-site based
IR> submission form that he hosted on his website.

IR> Over these years, I enjoyed my interaction with all PUG maintainers.

IR> Some other notable contributors on PDML who haven't been mentioned yet
IR> in this thread.

IR> Fred Wasti, whose name is listed above, has also contributed with his
IR> very useful PLG page: http://plg.komkon.org/
IR> PLG, despite alternative suggestions like "Pentax Loosers' Gallery",
IR> "Pentax Lickers Gallery" or "Canon Users Gallery" still stands for
IR> Pentax Lens Gallery :-)
IR> See this thread:
IR> http://www.mail-archive.com/pdml@pdml.net/msg269956.html

IR> Stan Halpin - assembled together and organized information about
IR> many Pentax lenses http://stans-photography.info/ - based on PDMLers'
IR> opinions.

IR> Jim Colwell who created SPLOSdb - the tool that I used a lot while
IR> choosing my lenses and looking for them on eBay and elsewhere.

IR> Boz has been mentioned already.
IR> Well, I still have the F 50/1.7 that I purchased from him.
IR> :-)

IR> I am sure I am forgetting somebody...


IR> Cheers,

IR> Igor



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Re: Any one using ja;bum 8.1.7

[Brian Walters]

G'day Dave

On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:35:27 -0500, "David J Brooks"
 said:
> I'v tried for several hours to try and add my copy right to the center
> of my photos in this new update of jalbum
> 
> Having a hell of a time. The older version let me just type in David J
> Brooks, but i cant seem to do it now.
> 
> Any one use the program and can tell me how to get Copy right David J
> Brooks into the center of the shot, at about 5--6-5 opacity.
> I'd like to use the program for this years horse hsow pages, but if a
> can t put on a water mark its not going to work for me.
> 
> I'v looked on the net, and its all greek to me, i dont understand
> these filter they keep talking about.
> 
> Dave


Hmmm.  I'm using 8.1.6 and the 'Check for Updates" item in the "Help"
menu is telling me I have the latest version.  I've also just been to
the JAlbum website to download 8.1.7 but the downloadable version is
still listed as 8.1.6.

How did you manage to get 8.1.7?

I've never realised that you can add a watermark directly in JAlbum
(Chameleon skin).  I've always done that in image management software
before importing the image into JAlbum.  Any reason why you can't do it
that way?



Cheers

Brian

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Re: Tour of California

[Ken Waller]

And if you took Lance's bike give it back 

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: "Stan Halpin" 

Subject: Tour of California


Am off from work today - multiprocessing with Rome research, email  
browsing, and watching the Tour on Versus TV. I hope all of you in  
the greater SF area are out in the wet watching the race!


The first 20 minutes or so of the coverage were of the neutral start  
across the Golden Gate Bridge, great shots in the rain and fog. Look  
for a replay later today...


stan



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Re: How many contributors to PPG?

[Ken Waller]

Don't forget your towel.


And thanks for the fish

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In a message dated 2/16/2009 10:29:06 A.M.  Pacific Standard Time,
cagu...@earthlink.net writes:

Alright, I  give:  I don't get the significance of the number 42.  Can it 
be

explained?   ;-).  Cheers, Christine

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Marnie aka Doe  :-)  (Okay, I give, Google Douglas  Adams.)



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Re: How many contributors to PPG?

[John Sessoms]

From: "Christine  Aguila"

From: "Tim ?sleby" 



> 42?



Alright, I give:  I don't get the significance of the number 42.  Can it be 
explained?;-) .  Cheers, Christine 



Google 42 and all will be revealed.

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Re: Good News

[Mark Roberts]

Cotty wrote:

And on-topic.

My son Stefan has been accepted for some work experience in the
photography dept. at our local paper, The Oxford Mail (and sister paper
The Oxford Times) for a week in July :-) Not without a little brow-
beating from yours truly of course, but nonetheless, here's the chap in
action:



Yes, that's a Pentax.


Congrats to Stefan!

If he takes any extra AA batteries round their offices, be sure they're 
for the Pentax before you let him go...


;-)



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Re: Pictorialism exhibit at George Eastman House

[Mark Roberts]

Bob W wrote:
>
>> Just read about this on The Online Photographer:
>> http://www.eastmanhouse.org/exhibits/container_116/
>>
>> I used to live in Rochester and I miss being able to go to the George
>> Eastman house any time I wanted. I'll definitely be making a trip up
>> there in the spring and will be certain to catch this exhibit
>> (it runs through 31 May).
>>
>> Any people in the Rochester area on the list these days?
>>
>> TOP reference:
>> http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photograph
>> er/2009/02/books-for-what-ails-you.html
>>
> I'm not far from Rochester - it's just a few miles downstream from
> Greenwich, but it's in a different continent from yours. I'd love to
> see that exhibit. Pictorialism was a very interesting movement when
> it started and before it turned into a banal zombie.

Very inconsiderate of the George Eastman House not to open a branch in 
your Rochester. It is the original, after all. (The college I attended 
in Rochester, NY was "St. John Fisher".)


And, yes, pictorialism was very good at first. And I'm also keen to see 
the effects of the different print processes and paper types on display 
at this exhibit.



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Re: PDML annual is a Blurb best seller!

[Mark Roberts]

Jack Davis wrote:

--- On Mon, 2/16/09, ann sanfedele  wrote:


Jack Davis wrote:


Where is it on the New York Times "Best

Sellers" list?

>
>> that'll be next week :-)
>
> LoL..Oh, OK. I'll check later. ;)

Be sure to buy a few thousand copies first, to make sure it gets to the 
top of the list...




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RE: How many contributors to PPG?

[Brian Walters]

On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 22:52:53 -, "Bob W"  said:
> 
> > > There are probably lots who have submitted a few and given up.
> > > Persistence pays off, take my word for it.
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > I agree with that but the reason I keep contributing is that the
> > existence of the PPG has given my photography more focus (no pun
> > intended).  I'm more conscious of composition and lighting 
> > and I tend to
> > take more time in exploring the possibilities of a subject.
> > 
> > So, whenever I have an photo I particularly like, I submit it. 
> > Occasionally one gets in - more often they're rejected.  But 
> > that's not
> > the point.  The PPG is helping to improve my photography 
> > (even if that's
> > very slow progress.)
> 
> You have to be a bit careful using other people's judgement as your
> yardstick. The risk is that you start shooting stuff that you think they
> will like, rather than stuff you like, and in many cases it means
> lowering
> your standards. 
> 
> I have the same attitude to shooting for the RPS distinctions. Although
> they
> gave me a rough time with my last submission, I won't shoot anything just
> to
> please them, although I'm pleased to get their criticism and feedback.
> The
> first thing my pictures have to do is please me. If they please the RPS
> too,
> then all well and good, but the only judgement that really matters is
> mine.
> 


Yes - fully agree.

I don't shoot with the aim of pleasing the PPG voters.  I just find that
I'm more conscious of exploring the possibilities in potential
photographic subjects since the PPG came into being.  I still don't have
the "eye" for a subject that I'd like to have, but I'm improving - or,
at least I like to think I am :-)>



Cheers

Brian

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Re: Stop all email

[John Sessoms]

From: keith_w"

AlunFoto wrote:

>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ea0CDieb4yM&hl=no
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Jostein

Outstanding!

That led me to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d9P26fvVpw&feature=related

Fine guitar work!

Ooops! I hope it's a Pentax Acoustic!   :-D 


Another of the videos that link to the original is these guy's cover.

I thought it was pretty good for a couple of guys who've never met and 
collaborated over the internet using Apple's Garageband on a 6 year old 
laptop.


Vocals are a little thin, but otherwise ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAM1g0oX4OE&feature=related

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Colour temp of LED stage lighting ... ?

[Bruce Walker]

As I'm encountering LED stage lighting more and more, and as my trusty 
K100D Super doesn't include a WB setting for them, a question for the 
physicists and lighting gurus on the list: what is considered to be the 
colour temperature of typically available LEDs? Is there a recommended 
near-enough equivalent setting among the WB choices?


When I run pix through ACR after the shoot, I find that I'm getting 
more-or-less reasonable results with ACR's temp/tint sliders near their 
extremes; eg 2000/-128 or else something like 11,500/-64.


(I'd love to sneek up onstage before the show and attach a grey card to 
something so I could keep calibrating during the  performance.  
Sometimes I'm lucky and there's a greyish keyboard onstage I can refer to.)


I suppose that LEDs present an near-impossible task since they are made 
up of clusters of green, red and blue LEDs whose brightness is varied to 
get the desired colour. I expect that the colour-temp of each 
colour-type of LED is different.


Anyway, anyone have a suggestion?

-bmw

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Re: Good News

[Stan Halpin]

Very fine! Here's hoping they allow him significant experience as  
well as the back-room chores that new persons are sometimes stuck with.


stan

On Feb 16, 2009, at 4:48 PM, Cotty wrote:


And on-topic.

My son Stefan has been accepted for some work experience in the
photography dept. at our local paper, The Oxford Mail (and sister  
paper

The Oxford Times) for a week in July :-) Not without a little brow-
beating from yours truly of course, but nonetheless, here's the  
chap in

action:



Yes, that's a Pentax.

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Re: Good News

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On 2/16/09, Cotty  wrote:
> On 16/2/09, Scott Loveless, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>
>  >>  
>  >
>  >Out on a limb here, but you didn't let him pick the music, did you?
>
>
> Har.
>
>  Royalty free music - choice is not magnificent.
>
>  I came across the footage on the computer, popped a few shots together,
>  rifled for some music, any music, tidied it up. Just under an hour. It's
>  not going in for an award ;-)

http://www.magnatune.com/

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Re: Good News

[Cotty]

On 16/2/09, keith_w, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I damn near solo'd in '45 in a light plane (Piper Cub). Had a LOT of
>hours dual,
>and was close, but...just the way it went.

I thought you flew with the USAF?

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Re: Good News

[Cotty]

On 16/2/09, Scott Loveless, discombobulated, unleashed:

>>  
>
>Out on a limb here, but you didn't let him pick the music, did you?

Har.

Royalty free music - choice is not magnificent.

I came across the footage on the computer, popped a few shots together,
rifled for some music, any music, tidied it up. Just under an hour. It's
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Re: Pictorialism exhibit at George Eastman House

[Brendan MacRae]

I hate to do this, but since Pictorialism was brought up and since I haven't 
done any For Sale Fridays in long time...

I have a Struss Pictorial Lens on eBay right now. You know, JIC you'd like to 
give it a go:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180328220336&_trksid=p3907.m32&_trkparms=tab%3DSelling

Cheers!

-Brendan


--- On Mon, 2/16/09, Mark Roberts  wrote:

> From: Mark Roberts 
> Subject: Pictorialism exhibit at George Eastman House
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 1:02 PM
> Just read about this on The Online Photographer:
> http://www.eastmanhouse.org/exhibits/container_116/
> 
> I used to live in Rochester and I miss being able to go to
> the George Eastman house any time I wanted. I'll
> definitely be making a trip up there in the spring and will
> be certain to catch this exhibit (it runs through 31 May).
> 
> Any people in the Rochester area on the list these days?
> 
> TOP reference:
> http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2009/02/books-for-what-ails-you.html
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RE: Good News

[Bob W]

Excellent - good man.

Bob 


> 
> And on-topic.
> 
> My son Stefan has been accepted for some work experience in the
> photography dept. at our local paper, The Oxford Mail (and 
> sister paper
> The Oxford Times) for a week in July :-) Not without a little brow-
> beating from yours truly of course, but nonetheless, here's 
> the chap in
> action:
> 
> 
> 
> Yes, that's a Pentax.
> 
> --
> 
> 
> Cheers,
>   Cotty
> 
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Re: Good News

[keith_w]

Cotty wrote:

On 16/2/09, keith_w, discombobulated, unleashed:


Oh!  Is that Stephan in the co-pilot seat?  Great!




Stefan. Yah.


Ooops! Most humble apologies! Your Stefan is the only one I've ever known!

I won't do that again!

* * * *

I damn near solo'd in '45 in a light plane (Piper Cub). Had a LOT of hours dual, 
and was close, but...just the way it went.


Yup. I like 'copters too!

keith

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Re: Good News

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 2/16/2009 2:49:13 P.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
cotty...@mac.com writes:
And on-topic.

My son  Stefan has been accepted for some work experience in the
photography dept. at  our local paper, The Oxford Mail (and sister paper
The Oxford Times) for a  week in July :-) Not without a little brow-
beating from yours truly of  course, but nonetheless, here's the chap  in
action:



Yes,  that's a Pentax.

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=
Cool! Well, good luck to him. 

Get 'em when  they're young.

Marnie  ;-)

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Re: MTO 1100mm, the Beast

[John Sessoms]

From: Charles Robinson

On Feb 16, 2009, at 3:13, Derby Chang wrote:


> Christine,
>
> Your wish, my command.
>
> http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/09/09_02/09_02_thebeast/01.htm
>
> I do need to find some willing subjects soon.
>


Sure!  Then it's "hey, you guys, go stand at the far end of this  
football field here while I take some pictures from over here"!


I wonder if it would do good macro?

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Re: Good News

[Scott Loveless]

On 2/16/09, Cotty  wrote:
> And on-topic.
>
>  My son Stefan has been accepted for some work experience in the
>  photography dept. at our local paper, The Oxford Mail (and sister paper
>  The Oxford Times) for a week in July :-) Not without a little brow-
>  beating from yours truly of course, but nonetheless, here's the chap in
>  action:

Most excellent!


>  

Out on a limb here, but you didn't let him pick the music, did you?

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Re: Good News

[Cotty]

On 16/2/09, keith_w, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Oh!  Is that Stephan in the co-pilot seat?  Great!
>

Stefan. Yah.

>Second question, who shut the trip camera off before they were about to
>set down?

I was filming with a small mini-DV camera. They run a fast turnaround, I
was undoing my seatbelts on touching down. Over here, they shut down the
rotors before disembarking. There in NY they push you out the door.
That's capitalism for you!

>
>Fun, tho'. I happen to LIKE small planes. I flew in them for many
hours, long
>before you were even a gleam in your Pop's eye!

Oh god, really. I've filmed from them a few times (why always rough
weather?) and the up-down thing is stomach churning, not to mention all
that pre-flight malarky that takes ages while trundling up and down a
taxi-way like the pilot is lost and looking for anywhere that might lead
to a runway. Helicopters are neat ;-) And the military is neater - no
messing about - in you get, buckle down, let's go. Straight off and no
messing about (as you know). Have you seen this near miss recently?



Woops.

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From out of the past...

[Stan Halpin]

I am thinking I might claim 12 years - Feb 1997. Have found some more  
notes in my "archives" that could have been pulled from the list  
archives, but I believe this was during my first year on the list.


Some words of wisdom from a former list member...

stan



Houston, Jerry (jhous...@walldata.com)
Thu, 24 Jul 1997 10:36:36 -0700

A thread that's run through a few messages lately has held that  
there are  different games we play using our photographic  
equipment. I find myself  agreeing with that. Just as you wouldn't  
play hockey with a  first-baseman's mitt, and you wouldn't wear a  
football helmet to play  basketball, it's silly to use a zoom lens  
for jobs that really require  the utmost in resolution and contrast.


What isn't so obvious, is that it's EQUALLY SILLY to use a fine- 
quality  fixed-length lens as the one lens you carry with you to  
unknown photo  opportunities. That's where a zoom lens is needed,  
and nothing else will  work well.


So I really believe that the old debate of zooms-vs-fixed-length  
lenses  is patently moot. I really don't think there IS anything to  
debate,  unless it's which lens to buy first and which one to put  
off until  there's more discretionary cash available.  Usually you  
can narrow down the subject by specifying a particular  purpose for  
the lens, but in this case (portraits) I'm going to disagree  with  
those who insist on the traditional 85mm or 90mm, or 100mm or  
135mm  fixed-focus lens for portraits.


In the first place, I don't believe that the usual head-and- 
shoulders  portrait is necessarily the most desirable, and it's  
CERTAINLY not the  only portrait option available. If I were to  
photograph a violin maker,  I'd want to capture his concentration  
as he hand-fits one of his  masterpieces with a wood chisel. My  
portrait of a winemaker would show  him tasting a work-in-progress,  
in the cellars, next to the casks. Does  this make sense to anyone  
else?  Depending on the person, their interests, their usual  
surroundings, and  so on, you might find that the most meaningful  
portraits require  anything from mild wide-angle to a moderate  
telephoto. Sounds like a  typical 28-80 or 35-105 might fit pretty  
well, doesn't it?
And considering the special effects gizmos that even pros use for   
portraits, ranging from soft-focus lenses to optical garbage like  
"soft  spot" filters (not to mention Vaseline), I don't think  
anyone could make  a reasonable case against a zoom lens on the  
basis of its sharpness or  contrast, or lack of either.
I think one of the most exciting things about photography as a  
creative  outlet is that we can feel free to break all the rules  
and not get into  trouble over it. It's all part of developing a  
personal style. My  2-cents worth.




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Re: Any one using ja;bum 8.1.7

[Scott Loveless]

On 2/16/09, David J Brooks  wrote:
> I'v tried for several hours to try and add my copy right to the center
>  of my photos in this new update of jalbum
>
>  Having a hell of a time. The older version let me just type in David J
>  Brooks, but i cant seem to do it now.
>
>  Any one use the program and can tell me how to get Copy right David J
>  Brooks into the center of the shot, at about 5--6-5 opacity.
>  I'd like to use the program for this years horse hsow pages, but if a
>  can t put on a water mark its not going to work for me.
>
>  I'v looked on the net, and its all greek to me, i dont understand
>  these filter they keep talking about.

Not a clue here.  But since I've upgraded I can't seem to set the PUG
back to 5 columns.  It defaults to 6, which I think is too wide.

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Re: Good News

[keith_w]

Cotty wrote:

And on-topic.

My son Stefan has been accepted for some work experience in the
photography dept. at our local paper, The Oxford Mail (and sister paper
The Oxford Times) for a week in July :-) Not without a little brow-
beating from yours truly of course, but nonetheless, here's the chap in
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Yes, that's a Pentax.

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  Cotty


Oh!  Is that Stephan in the co-pilot seat?  Great!

Second question, who shut the trip camera off before they were about to set 
down?

Fun, tho'. I happen to LIKE small planes. I flew in them for many hours, long 
before you were even a gleam in your Pop's eye!


keith

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Re: 11 years (was: 4 years)

[Pedro Oliveira]

Thanks, Dario.

Yes, very few posts, indeed. I rather prefer learning reading pdml...

And, Dario, my first e-mail to you regarding the AOHC was in January,  
1998.


Pedro

Em 2009/02/16, às 22:42, Dario Bonazza escreveu:

I can confirm that Pedro has been around here (rather silent, I'd  
say) since then.
However, I can hardly believe only two messages. More likely three  
or four ;-)

Hi Pedro!

Dario

- Original Message - From: "Pedro Oliveira" >

To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 11:05 PM
Subject: Re: 11 years (was: 4 years)


Hi.

My first post was in November, 1997.
My second post is this one... ;-)

Pedro Oliveira

Em 2009/02/15, às 21:11, Dario Bonazza escreveu:


4 eh? It appears I'm 11 yo on this list.
Dario



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Re: 11 years (was: 4 years)

[Stan Halpin]

From out of the past...


Joe McAllister (jo...@mist.seattleantioch.edu)
Sun, 23 Nov 1997 10:54:44 -0800

  >Anybody from this group has comments or experience with Pe=
ntax Shift 28mm f/3.5 lens?

I've had one in my possession for the past few months, and have  
enjoyed excercising it on the water tank across the street. I want  
to spend a few days downtown and at the Seattle Center with it.


It works.

It's sharp.

It rotates as well as shifts (pick your shift from a rose compass  
of 12 directional settings) and shift far enough to get a 1.3  
million 65' tall water tank corrected and in a vertical frame from  
less than 60' away.


It can shift enough to vignette the opposite end of the frame, if  
you let it.


Built in filters. (3)

JoMac


==

On Feb 16, 2009, at 3:38 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote:


On Feb 15, 2009, at 19:32 , Stan Halpin wrote:

I have some archived notes from fall of '97 with one Joe  
McAllister a prominent participant in lens-quality discussions...


Oh God!  I trust I behaved myself, Stan.  Mum's the word if the  
answer is no...


;-)

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Re: GESO: Ocala Breakfast Flight

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Feb 16, 2009, at 2:29 PM, Cotty wrote:

Small planes make me feel ill.


I like small JET planes.


This is the way to fly ;-)



That may be, but it's a very long way from here to Oxford via  
helicopter.


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Re: GESO: Ocala Breakfast Flight

[Cotty]

On 16/2/09, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Oxford looks very different from above.

Thanks Bob. No mess on the keyboard: finished the cheesecake 3 minutes ago.

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Good News

[Cotty]

And on-topic.

My son Stefan has been accepted for some work experience in the
photography dept. at our local paper, The Oxford Mail (and sister paper
The Oxford Times) for a week in July :-) Not without a little brow-
beating from yours truly of course, but nonetheless, here's the chap in
action:



Yes, that's a Pentax.

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RE: How many contributors to PPG?

[Bob W]

> > There are probably lots who have submitted a few and given up.
> > Persistence pays off, take my word for it.
> > 
> 
> 
> I agree with that but the reason I keep contributing is that the
> existence of the PPG has given my photography more focus (no pun
> intended).  I'm more conscious of composition and lighting 
> and I tend to
> take more time in exploring the possibilities of a subject.
> 
> So, whenever I have an photo I particularly like, I submit it. 
> Occasionally one gets in - more often they're rejected.  But 
> that's not
> the point.  The PPG is helping to improve my photography 
> (even if that's
> very slow progress.)

You have to be a bit careful using other people's judgement as your
yardstick. The risk is that you start shooting stuff that you think they
will like, rather than stuff you like, and in many cases it means lowering
your standards. 

I have the same attitude to shooting for the RPS distinctions. Although they
gave me a rough time with my last submission, I won't shoot anything just to
please them, although I'm pleased to get their criticism and feedback. The
first thing my pictures have to do is please me. If they please the RPS too,
then all well and good, but the only judgement that really matters is mine.

Bob


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Re: 11 years (was: 4 years)

[Dario Bonazza]

I can confirm that Pedro has been around here (rather silent, I'd say) since 
then.
However, I can hardly believe only two messages. More likely three or four 
;-)

Hi Pedro!

Dario

- Original Message - 
From: "Pedro Oliveira" 

To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 11:05 PM
Subject: Re: 11 years (was: 4 years)


Hi.

My first post was in November, 1997.
My second post is this one... ;-)

Pedro Oliveira

Em 2009/02/15, às 21:11, Dario Bonazza escreveu:


4 eh? It appears I'm 11 yo on this list.
Dario



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RE: GESO: Ocala Breakfast Flight

[Bob W]

> On 16/2/09, Walter Hamler, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
> >http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/7376009_CJKyg#474966499_d8NCY
> >
[...]
> Nice shots Walter.
> 
> Small planes make me feel ill.
> 
> This is the way to fly ;-)
> 
> 
> 
> (1.30 duration)
> 

Oxford looks very different from above.

Bob


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Any one using ja;bum 8.1.7

[David J Brooks]

I'v tried for several hours to try and add my copy right to the center
of my photos in this new update of jalbum

Having a hell of a time. The older version let me just type in David J
Brooks, but i cant seem to do it now.

Any one use the program and can tell me how to get Copy right David J
Brooks into the center of the shot, at about 5--6-5 opacity.
I'd like to use the program for this years horse hsow pages, but if a
can t put on a water mark its not going to work for me.

I'v looked on the net, and its all greek to me, i dont understand
these filter they keep talking about.

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Re: 11 years

[keith_w]

Pedro Oliveira wrote:

Hi.

My first post was in November, 1997.
My second post is this one... ;-)

Pedro Oliveira


Hah!
I don't believe that!

The earliest post I can find for myself is 2006, which I know is wrong! I was on 
much earlier than that, but...in the meanwhile I had changed my username and my 
ISP (3 times: AOL, Earthlink, and now DSĹExtreme!). Somewhere along the way, 
evidence of all my previous posts vanished.


Oh well.

I stay, enjoying myself! I'm an old timer even tho' it seems I'm a short timer! 
 :-D

Nice to hear from you, Pedro!

keith whaley

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Re: 11 years (was: 4 years)

[Cotty]

On 16/2/09, Pedro Oliveira, discombobulated, unleashed:

>My first post was in November, 1997.
>My second post is this one... ;-)


Mark.

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Re: GESO: Ocala Breakfast Flight

[Cotty]

On 16/2/09, Walter Hamler, discombobulated, unleashed:

>http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/7376009_CJKyg#474966499_d8NCY
>
>A week or so ago eight of us who call ourselves the "Aviation Group"
>at our church made a fun flight to Ocala for breakfast. We took two
>planes and swapped people on the return flight so we all (except the
>two pilots) got the chance to experience each type aircraft.
>
>I was in the Columbia 400 going and the 172 for the return flight. We
>tried some air to air shots of the Columbia but the poor little 172
>was bouncing up and down so much that John was a little leary of
>coming in real close, so nice closeups were not possible!
>
>The opening shot and a few others in the cockpit were with the 10~17
>FE, the rest with the Sigma 17~70.  It was a fun time for all, and the
>breakfast was excellemt!  The two "older" gents in the shot are both
>WW2 or Korean War Vets. Bill flew B-25's in New Guinea and Japan and
>Jim (the short fella) flew A-26 Invaders and the Air Force B-66.

Nice shots Walter.

Small planes make me feel ill.

This is the way to fly ;-)



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Re: 11 years (was: 4 years)

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 2/16/2009 2:06:05 P.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
oliveirape...@mac.com writes:
Hi.

My first post  was in November, 1997.
My second post is this one... ;-)

Pedro  Oliveira

---
Okay, that has to be a record of some kind.  Longest time between delurks.

Heh.

Marnie aka Doe  :-)

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to find them. Start with AOL Personals. 
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RE: Pictorialism exhibit at George Eastman House

[Bob W]

I'm not far from Rochester - it's just a few miles downstream from
Greenwich, but it's in a different continent from yours. I'd love to see
that exhibit. Pictorialism was a very interesting movement when it started
and before it turned into a banal zombie.

Bob

> 
> Just read about this on The Online Photographer:
> http://www.eastmanhouse.org/exhibits/container_116/
> 
> I used to live in Rochester and I miss being able to go to the George 
> Eastman house any time I wanted. I'll definitely be making a trip up 
> there in the spring and will be certain to catch this exhibit 
> (it runs 
> through 31 May).
> 
> Any people in the Rochester area on the list these days?
> 
> TOP reference: 
> http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photograph
> er/2009/02/books-for-what-ails-you.html
> 



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Re: 11 years (was: 4 years)

[Brian Walters]

On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 22:05:39 +, "Pedro Oliveira"
 said:
> Hi.
> 
> My first post was in November, 1997.
> My second post is this one... ;-)
> 



Now, that has to be a record of some sort..



Cheers

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Re: PDML annual is a Blurb best seller!

[Jack Davis]

LoL..Oh, OK. I'll check later. ;)

J


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> From: ann sanfedele 
> Subject: Re: PDML annual is a Blurb best seller!
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 10:36 AM
> that'll be next week :-)
> 
> ann
> 
> Jack Davis wrote:
> 
> >Where is it on the New York Times "Best
> Sellers" list?
> >
> >Jack
> >
> >
> >--- On Mon, 2/16/09, ann sanfedele
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> >  
> >
> >>From: ann sanfedele 
> >>Subject: Re: PDML annual is a Blurb best seller!
> >>To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List"
> 
> >>Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 10:11 AM
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> >>
> >>>http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/popular
> >>>
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Re: How many contributors to PPG?

[Brian Walters]

On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 22:31:33 +0100, "AlunFoto" 
said:
> I think it's great that they've attracted as many as 1192 represented
> photographers.
> 
> There are probably lots who have submitted a few and given up.
> Persistence pays off, take my word for it.
> 


I agree with that but the reason I keep contributing is that the
existence of the PPG has given my photography more focus (no pun
intended).  I'm more conscious of composition and lighting and I tend to
take more time in exploring the possibilities of a subject.

So, whenever I have an photo I particularly like, I submit it. 
Occasionally one gets in - more often they're rejected.  But that's not
the point.  The PPG is helping to improve my photography (even if that's
very slow progress.)



Cheers

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Re: How many contributors to PPG?

[Brian Walters]

On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:15:23 +0100, "AlunFoto" 
said:
> Have a guess before looking at this page:
> 
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists
> 
> Awesome.
> 
> Jostein


I guessed about 1000, so that wasn't too far off the mark but I hate
lists that are alphabetical by surname!



Cheers

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Re: 11 years (was: 4 years)

[Pedro Oliveira]

Hi.

My first post was in November, 1997.
My second post is this one... ;-)

Pedro Oliveira

Em 2009/02/15, às 21:11, Dario Bonazza escreveu:


4 eh? It appears I'm 11 yo on this list.
Dario


- Original Message - From: "Scott Loveless" >

To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 6:41 AM
Subject: 4 years



I was sitting here drinking, wondering if I spouted off too much on
the list tonight and reading through the quotes lists, when I  
realized

I've been subscribed to the list for 4 years this month.  Please
accept my apologies.

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Re: 11 years

[Joseph McAllister]

On Feb 16, 2009, at 05:17 , William Robb wrote:

I think I wandered in sometime in the fall of 1997, but I might be  
off by a year.

I de recall that my first post started off with something like:
"What is wrong with you people"

Sort of set the tone for my participation..



I remember that leading line, but not if I read it at that time or as  
quoted later by others with the same thoughts.


;-)

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Re: 11 years (was: 4 years)

[Joseph McAllister]

On Feb 15, 2009, at 19:32 , Stan Halpin wrote:

I have some archived notes from fall of '97 with one Joe McAllister  
a prominent participant in lens-quality discussions...


Oh God!  I trust I behaved myself, Stan.  Mum's the word if the answer  
is no...


;-)

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Re: How many contributors to PPG?

[AlunFoto]

I think it's great that they've attracted as many as 1192 represented
photographers.

There are probably lots who have submitted a few and given up.
Persistence pays off, take my word for it.

Jostein

2009/2/16 Tim Øsleby :
> 42?
>
> --
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>
> 2009/2/16 AlunFoto :
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>>
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists
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>> Awesome.
>>
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Re: Pentax - disrespected again

[Brendan MacRae]

--- On Mon, 2/16/09, Paul Stenquist  wrote:


> Of course the K20D does offer live view, so you can take all
> of what they say with a grain of salt.
> Paul


That's probably true of much of what they publish nowadays. It was an ok review 
but I was suprised by how bad a photo they used of the front of the camera 
itself (pg.74)..it's overexposed and there's no DOF. So, there's sloppiness in 
other places, too.

BTW, their choice for 2008 Camera of the Year is the Panasonic Lumix DMC-G1.

-Brendan


  

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Pictorialism exhibit at George Eastman House

[Mark Roberts]

Just read about this on The Online Photographer:
http://www.eastmanhouse.org/exhibits/container_116/

I used to live in Rochester and I miss being able to go to the George 
Eastman house any time I wanted. I'll definitely be making a trip up 
there in the spring and will be certain to catch this exhibit (it runs 
through 31 May).


Any people in the Rochester area on the list these days?

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Re: 11 years (was: 4 years)

[Walter Hamler]

On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Bong Manayon  wrote:

> so I missed all the speculations about a Pentax DSLR, up until joining
> up again late 2006 when I decided to grow old with you guys.
>
> Bong

Gee Bong, you could have gone all day without reminding me of that  :-)

Walt

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Re: PDML annual is a Blurb best seller!

[Mark Roberts]

Bob W wrote:



http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/popular


> Yes, but look at the company it's keeping. The Puppy Way To Pray!?

Oh come on - the "puppy Way" book is way down the list. We're kicking 
its butt!


Woo hoo!


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Re: How many contributors to PPG?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I gave up trying to contribute. The submission process is awkward and  
lengthy to do. Since the voting nonsense began, many photos that are  
rejected are of better quality than the ones accepted, IMO.


I left what had been accepted of mine there as I saw no reason to pull  
them down.


G


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Re: 11 years (was: 4 years)

[Bruce Dayton]

I've been trying to remember when I came on the list - my best guess
is 1997 sometime - shortly after my son was born.  My interest in
photography was peaked then and I got going with my Super Program and
then picked up a ZX-10 and went on from there.

Does anyone remember Mark Dalal?  I remember he organized the first
Norcal PDML at Muir Woods - Met John Francis there, among several
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Monday, February 16, 2009, 10:39:30 AM, you wrote:



IR> Some recollections about PDML, PUG, etc.

IR> I joined the list some time in 1997, when I purchased my
IR> first Pentax - ZX-5n. (Actually, since even before I purchased it, - 
IR> as the list helped with some information on that camera and lenses.)
IR> I found it through the links on Pentax website. PDML (which probably 
IR> was not called that way yet) was hosted by Pentax then.
IR> When Pentax decided that it does not want to deal with all these
IR> whiners, Doub Brewer picked up hosting of PDML. 


IR> As for
>> Does anyone remember the name of the Scotsman who ran the first
>> incarnation of the PUG, before Igor struck the deal with Komkon?

IR> - I am not sure who you are talking about... 
IR> :-)

>> Actuall, I think it might be this guy, Steven Graham...
>> http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/1837/gallery.html
>> 
>> jOstein

IR> Indeed, Steve Graham was the 2nd PUG maintainer, after Doug Brewer:
IR> http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/1837/

IR> Originally some galleries of PUG were hosted on Doug's personal web-space
IR> (or does my memory decieve me about this?).
IR> Unfortunately, I didn't think about creating a copy of those
IR> galleries, - and they are not available anywhere for long time. 
IR> (BTW, - Doug, if you are reading this, - if you have a copy somewhere, -
IR> let's post them to PUG.Komkon.org , under "previous galleries") 

IR> Due to the space limitation, a few galleries in late 1997 were posted on
IR> geocities.com :
IR> http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/1318/

IR> Having seen that, I contacted Doug and Steve, and offered hosting on 
IR> Komkon server.  March 1998 gallery was the first one hosted on Komkon.

IR> With the February of 1999 gallery, a bird [grin] named Mark Cassino 
IR> became the new PUG maintainer, followed by Bill Wrobb in July of 2000.

IR> The longest PUG maintainer was Adelheid von Kirschten
IR> http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/account/myprofile/529059
IR> who started with the January 2002 gallery, and prepared all galleries
IR> through June 2007. Scott picked up the baton with the July 2007 gallery.

IR> If you carefully look at the old galleris, you will notice that several
IR> other people have been acknowledged for the help in enabling PUGs.
IR> I am afraid to forget somebody, but I will try to list them here:
IR> Rob Studdert, Jeff Renner, Bong Manayon, Maney Gomez, Fred Wasti, 
IR> Robert Batten, Alin Flaider, Tom Van Veen, Sid Barras,
IR> Delano Mireles, Flavio Minelli, Gary L. Murphy, Michael Bromm,
IR> Yves Caudano, Jan van Wijk.

IR> Amongst them, one name is repeated over the longest period of time:
IR> Jostein Oksne. (August 2000- June 2007).
IR> He was the author and maintainer of the "AutoPUG" web-site based
IR> submission form that he hosted on his website.

IR> Over these years, I enjoyed my interaction with all PUG maintainers.

IR> Some other notable contributors on PDML who haven't been mentioned yet
IR> in this thread.

IR> Fred Wasti, whose name is listed above, has also contributed with his
IR> very useful PLG page: http://plg.komkon.org/
IR> PLG, despite alternative suggestions like "Pentax Loosers' Gallery", 
IR> "Pentax Lickers Gallery" or "Canon Users Gallery" still stands for 
IR> Pentax Lens Gallery :-)  
IR> See this thread:
IR> http://www.mail-archive.com/pdml@pdml.net/msg269956.html 

IR> Stan Halpin - assembled together and organized information about 
IR> many Pentax lenses http://stans-photography.info/ - based on PDMLers'
IR> opinions.

IR> Jim Colwell who created SPLOSdb - the tool that I used a lot while
IR> choosing my lenses and looking for them on eBay and elsewhere.

IR> Boz has been mentioned already. 
IR> Well, I still have the F 50/1.7 that I purchased from him.
IR> :-)

IR> I am sure I am forgetting somebody...


IR> Cheers,

IR> Igor


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Re: Pentax - disrespected again

[Paul Stenquist]

Of course the K20D does offer live view, so you can take all of what  
they say with a grain of salt.

Paul
On Feb 16, 2009, at 1:40 PM, Brendan MacRae wrote:



However, only in the pages of pop photo so I'm not sure it even  
counts. The current issue tests the Four Thirds Oly E-30 and  
compares it to a number of other models. Near the end (top left, pg.  
80) it states, "The E-30 stands up very well against the Pentax K20D  
and Sony A700, but these are the oldest models in this class and  
neither offers live view."


Sorry guys, you fail...

-Brendan






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Re: Pentax - disrespected again

[Brendan MacRae]

Yes, I was only referring to the live view mistake. I just provided the whole 
quote for context.

-Brendan


--- On Mon, 2/16/09, Adam Maas  wrote:

> From: Adam Maas 
> Subject: Re: Pentax - disrespected again
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 10:48 AM
> On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Brendan MacRae
>  wrote:
> >
> > However, only in the pages of pop photo so I'm not
> sure it even counts. The current issue tests the Four Thirds
> Oly E-30 and compares it to a number of other models. Near
> the end (top left, pg. 80) it states, "The E-30 stands
> up very well against the Pentax K20D and Sony A700, but
> these are the oldest models in this class and neither offers
> live view."
> >
> > Sorry guys, you fail...
> >
> > -Brendan
> >
> 
> Umm, those are the two oldest models in the class (the
> Nikon D90 and
> Canon 50D being the other two and 6+ months newer than
> either the
> Pentax or Sony) apart from the Canon 40D which has been
> replaced for
> all intents and purposes despite remaining available. Of
> course they
> did oops on Live View (only the Sony lacks it). The
> E-30's the newest
> model in the class, with a brand spanking new sensor
> (shared with the
> Panny G1) and while rather overpriced it does compare well
> to the A700
> and K20D in performance.
> 
> 
> -- 
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> http://www.mawz.ca
> Explorations of the City Around Us.
> 




  

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Re: Stop all email

[Joseph McAllister]

Thanks, JOS - exciting rendition.

Killed another 25 minutes of my day what with spin-offs, etc.

;-)

On Feb 16, 2009, at 03:29 , AlunFoto wrote:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ea0CDieb4yM&hl=no

Cheers,
Jostein


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GESO: Ocala Breakfast Flight

[Walter Hamler]

http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/7376009_CJKyg#474966499_d8NCY

A week or so ago eight of us who call ourselves the "Aviation Group"
at our church made a fun flight to Ocala for breakfast. We took two
planes and swapped people on the return flight so we all (except the
two pilots) got the chance to experience each type aircraft.

I was in the Columbia 400 going and the 172 for the return flight. We
tried some air to air shots of the Columbia but the poor little 172
was bouncing up and down so much that John was a little leary of
coming in real close, so nice closeups were not possible!

The opening shot and a few others in the cockpit were with the 10~17
FE, the rest with the Sigma 17~70.  It was a fun time for all, and the
breakfast was excellemt!  The two "older" gents in the shot are both
WW2 or Korean War Vets. Bill flew B-25's in New Guinea and Japan and
Jim (the short fella) flew A-26 Invaders and the Air Force B-66.

Walt

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RE: 11 years

[Bob W]

There's only one activity listed for him under hobbies. Barking.

Bob 


> 
> In this context, its kind of spooky that one of the three pictures he
> has commented is titled "Moving Targets".
> 
> 2009/2/16 Paul Stenquist :
> > Speaking of:
> > http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=381225
> > On Feb 16, 2009, at 9:05 AM, David J Brooks wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Mark Roberts 
>  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Dobo was definitely a one-off. He didn't last long, though.
> >>
> >> Some of us recieved some VERY interesting private emails, 
> i know i did.
> >>


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Re: My next DSLR wishlist

[Lucas Rijnders]

On 2/14/09, Bruce Walker  wrote:

> happens, and "Auto-Unique" prevents me from creating any boring
> duplications of existing images.

There is a muck larger market for the opposite: a camera that
downloads a _good_ image of whatever it's pointed at, instead of
taking a poor one.
It'll need wifi, GPS and a way to blend in the people in the
foreground. Technologically, we're 90% there.

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RE: PDML annual is a Blurb best seller!

[Bob W]

Yes, but look at the company it's keeping. The Puppy Way To Pray!? 



> 
> http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/popular
> 
> Woohoo!
> 



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RE: A thought experiment involving acetone

[Bob W]

> 
> This is more likely:
> http://turl.no/2xn
> 
> Or from the top of this list:
> http://turl.no/2xm
> 
> No idea about its properties as a solvent, though.
> 
> Cheers,
> Jostein

Strikalite!



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Re: Next Pentax DSLR?

[Lucas Rijnders]

My MZ-50 recently died after 150 rolls. Unless someone knows how to
cure it's urge to wind a frame wheneven I do something with any
button...
I'll miss it: it's a nice camera, and it was a present...

Regards, Lucas

On 2/15/09, Adam Maas  wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 4:54 AM, AlunFoto  wrote:
>> 2009/2/14 Rick Womer :
>>> DSLR actually stands for Damn Sh**ty Lousy Reliability, regardless of who
>>> the manufacturer is.
>>>
>>> (That said... (knock on wood)... I have had no failures in 15K exposures
>>> on my istD and K10D).
>>
>> Me too.
>> I do recall people bitching about LX reliability, though. Not just
>> sticky mirror issues...
>> Makes me wonder if reliability has truly worsened, or if it's just
>> more visible because of the online forums.
>>
>> Jostein
>>
>
> Reliability has gotten better, not worse. But expected reliability
> without regular service has increased faster. Consumer DSLR's are
> expected to have a shutter life of 50,000 or more shots. Nobody
> expected a MZ-50 to last 1300+ rolls without service (50k shots is
> 1388 36ex rolls).
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