Re: OT - The Character Project

2009-04-14 Thread Cotty
On 13/4/09, Doug Brewer, discombobulated, unleashed:

I've been seeing the commercials for this, and just now remembered to
check it out. It's worth a visit.

http://www.usanetwork.com/characterproject/#

Interesting. Aside from one or two, they all seem to have large
entourages toting equipment, so there was money in this. I watched the
videos (under 'galleries) and the overpowering feeling is one of self-
advertisement, which isn't a bad thing, but I am slightly wary of
anything that promotes itself too much. The portraiture methods are
interesting and the standard is very high. Some shooting on film, most
on medium format digital with wireless link$. I did find the whole thing
interesting though, thanks for posting.

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Re: PESO - A couple of macro etudes

2009-04-14 Thread Alastair Robertson
Hi Boris

both are nice - Geranium sp and Tragopogon sp.  The second is a nice
comp and dof, but the ray florets seem to be overexposed, and lost a
bit of colour.  I assume they are the same colour are the same as the
central disk florets?  If I was working on this in Lightroom, I would
try to recover some highlights with recovery and boost the colour with
saturation or vibrance.

Alastair
(delayed email since the first reply was in HTML - ooops - wouldn't
have gone through)

On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 3:51 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi!

 Thanks to a fellow list member, I've not FA 100/3.5 macro lens and some other 
 items that should remain unnamed for now.

 http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2009/03/peso-2009-009.html

 Have your brutal and honest say.

 Boris

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RE: regards PESO 2009 - 052 ...

2009-04-14 Thread Bob W
 It's not necessarily  prudent to  
 sacrifice some other aspects of our communal spirit in the 
 interest of  
 providing an honest and thorough critique.

I infer from the quote that an honest and thorough critique is necessarily
negative, but I think (and Godfrey please correct me if I'm wrong) that the
point was that a critique of a picture you like can be honest and thorough -
it doesn't have to be about how you would have taken a much better picture,
as someone here once put it. 

In other words, photographers can learn equally well if you tell them why
you like something. Mostly we just say 'yes I like that', but that doesn't
help much because we don't say why.

Bob

 
 I'm sure we all would like to hear more in regard to this..
 
 Frankly, I'm most likely to comment on photos I like. I'll sometimes  
 suggest an adjustment, crop or clone, but I avoid making purely  
 negative comments. I think that's a function of our group identity.  
 We're a community of friends who share work and ideas. The 
 critique is  
 only part of what we are, and It's not necessarily  prudent to  
 sacrifice some other aspects of our communal spirit in the 
 interest of  
 providing an honest and thorough critique. There are other 
 sites that  
 serve that purpose.
 Paul


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RE: regards PESO 2009 - 052 ...

2009-04-14 Thread Bob W
 Now, one can probably presume that a person who takes good 
 pictures has 
 learned how to not take bad ones.

They've learned not to _show_ bad ones.

Bob

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 Subject: Re: regards PESO 2009 - 052 ...
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Bob Sullivan
 Subject: Re: regards PESO 2009 - 052 ...
 
 
 I agree with Paul.
 There are other forums for critique of photos.
 Some folks want frequent and rich feedback, plus more critique.
 Perhaps they have outgrown this forum.
 
 I'm going to be the disagreeable one, and here's why:
 Because I'm a jerk.
 But, besides that, there is an incredible body of talent on 
 this forum, and 
 to be honest, I think if all we say is nice things about each other's 
 pictures, then some of that talent is being wasted.
 Look at the evolution of this list over the past decade. Ten 
 years ago, we 
 talked about lenses, and cameras and film and processing.
 
 Now, a new piece of equipment gets introduced, and it barely 
 gets noticed.
 We talk more about software than lenses.
 
 But boy oh boy, since everyone went digital and got high 
 speed internet, we 
 sure do show each other pictures.
 Lots of pictures.
 Peso used to mean picture every so often, now it is an 
 acronym for another 
 link to click on, whether the person posted 5 pictures 
 yesterday or not.
 Lots of pictures. Lots of good pictures too.
 Now, one can probably presume that a person who takes good 
 pictures has 
 learned how to not take bad ones.
 At least to rise above it all every now and again, anyway.
 So, why not pass on that knowledge and tell a person that a 
 picture has some 
 suckiness to it, and had they done something differenty, it 
 might have been 
 improved.
 It won't help the picture in question, but it might give the 
 photographer 
 something to think about.
 Unfortunately, if there is a chill regarding honest and tough 
 critiques, 
 then the whole process risks turning into a circle jerk.
 Now, there is that school of thought that says that the I 
 would have done 
 this instead does no good. The picture is what it is, so 
 comment on what it 
 is, not what it could be.
 The critique then becomes the official opposition, that band 
 of losers who 
 bitch and whine, but don't come up with any credible ideas of 
 their own.
 Think the Federal NDP with a Pentax.
 What an awful thing to think about.
 Or, it turns into a circle jerk because no one risks saying anything 
 negative.
 
 So, go to a forum that specializes in mean spirited critiques you say.
 All very well and good, but when I put a picture up, I want 
 the people 
 critiquing it people whose work I've seen so I know where 
 they are coming 
 from visually, and who I've interacted with over time so I 
 have an idea of 
 what they know and how they view the world.
 I think the email format of this forum works better for 
 critiques than does 
 the web page based forums.
 
 OTOH, I have seen some very heated discussions result from 
 something said in 
 an honest, but less than positive critique.
 
 William Robb
 
 
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RE: New hazard for photographers

2009-04-14 Thread Bob W
Who's the daddy?

 
 I think Woody's just channeling his daddy.
 
 From: paul stenquist
  Woody Harrelson is one of those Hollywood A-holes who doesn't
  understand that when he chose celebrity status, he also 
 elected to be
  in the public eye. The photographer is the public eye. He's 
 doing his
  job. Paul On Apr 12, 2009, at 6:42 AM, Sandy Harris wrote:
  Woody Harrelson might mistake you for a zombie!
  
  
 http://edition.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Movies/04/10/woody.harrels
 on.zombie/index.html
   http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20271916,00.html
  
  -- Sandy Harris,
 
 
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Re: Who wants to see a clue as to next Pentax DSLRs ?

2009-04-14 Thread Thibouille
No way, check with any Pentax DSLr with a 35 macro limited mounted on it:
* the side of the mount/prism isn't the same.
* the integrated flash is no way looking like current DSLRs.

It something different, very clearly. Please read the thread.

On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 7:55 AM, AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote:
 Considering the blur, that camera could be any of the current
 Pentaxen. The shade on top could be from a baseball cap. Or anything.
 :-)

 As speculations come, I'd say that one is pretty idle.

 Jostein


 2009/4/14 Thibouille pentaxl...@gmail.com:
 Thread here:
 http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-news-rumors/57107-pic-k30d.html

 Worth reading IMO. This is speculation of course but there's a image
 of it (well part of it).
 This substantiate things quite much rather than 'I heard that' blabla

 If this is no new DSLR than I really dunno what it is.
 Seems more compact than previous bodies :)

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Sigma releasing a couple HSM lenses for Pentax

2009-04-14 Thread Thibouille
* 10/2.8 and 4.5/2.8 Fisheyes
* 24-70/2.8

All in HSM of course but remember Sigma HSM is HSM only.
No AF at all on pre-K100D super bodies.

http://www.sigma-photo.co.jp/
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Re: A Walk-Around lens

2009-04-14 Thread Brian Walters
Jim, Larry, Joseph, Igor

Thanks for the feedback on this.  It seems the Pentax/Tamron 18-250 is a
viable option, provided I stay aware of the limitations.  Definitely
being considered.

Jim - thanks for the thoughts on the Sigma 18-135 mm.  That one would
probably meet most of my needs for a walk about lens. The Sigma 17-70 is
probably not long enough for what I think I need!


Cheers

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On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 13:43 -0400, Jim King jamesk8...@mac.com wrote:
 Brian Walters wrote on Sun, 12 Apr 2009 03:55:38 -0700
  G'day all
 
  I'm contemplating getting a wide to tele zoom as a walk around lens,
  when I just want to carry a camera and a single lens.  I'd like
  something that starts at around 18 mm and goes to at least 135 mm.
 
  I'm aware of the Pentax, Tamron and Sigma 18-250 mm zooms but that  
  range
  seems to be asking a lot of optical design.  Does anyone have  
  experience
  with any of these? Are the Pentax and Tamrons pretty much the same  
  thing
  under the skin?
 
  Are there any other affordable options?
 
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Re: PESO - Lines and Circles

2009-04-14 Thread Brian Walters
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:16 -0400, frank theriault
knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

 
 Love the geometries, the deep blue sky, that great big perfectly
 placed moon (no comment on the photoshoping)...
 
 ;-)
 



Thanks, Frank.  Yes, the geometry of the building and the warm light is
what attracted me to the scene.  It was really not much more than a
quick grab (I was waiting for my wife) and was one of the first shots
taken with the K200D.

As for the moon, I'm warming to Jack's suggestion about locating it on
the left hand side (astronomy is so easy with Photoshop!!)




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  On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 7:53 AM, Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm
 wrote:
  G'day all
 
  The light on these roof panels at the Australian Museum in Canberra
  caught my eye.  I like the simplicity of the result and I think the moon
  balances the image.
 
  pitiful, groveling excuses
  OK, the moon in this shot was Photoshopped in.  There was a moon in the
  original image but the shooting conditions wouldn't allow using a long
  enough lens to make it look significant, while still retaining the roof
  angles that I wanted - so I Photoshopped it out.
  /pitiful, groveling excuses
 
 
  http://www.blognow.com.au/PESO/132981/Lines_and_Circles.html
 
 
  Please be gentle.
 
  (or not)

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Re: PESO - Lines and Circles

2009-04-14 Thread Brian Walters
Thanks Joe.  Much appreciated.


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On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 19:01 +, 27...@comcast.net wrote:
 Brian, sorry I missed before, very nice, nice Photoshop job..Joe
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Bruce Dayton bkday...@daytonphoto.com
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 2:51:53 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
 Subject: Re: PESO - Lines and Circles
 
 Well, it is a very nice presentation.  The elements that you mention
 work very well.  The moon adds to the overall scene, I think.  Very
 well done.
 
 -- 
 Bruce
 
 
 Friday, April 10, 2009, 4:53:39 AM, you wrote:
 
 BW G'day all
 
 BW The light on these roof panels at the Australian Museum in Canberra
 BW caught my eye.  I like the simplicity of the result and I think the
 moon
 BW balances the image.
 
 BW pitiful, groveling excuses
 BW OK, the moon in this shot was Photoshopped in.  There was a moon in
 the
 BW original image but the shooting conditions wouldn't allow using a
 long
 BW enough lens to make it look significant, while still retaining the
 roof
 BW angles that I wanted - so I Photoshopped it out.
 BW /pitiful, groveling excuses
 
 
 BW http://www.blognow.com.au/PESO/132981/Lines_and_Circles.html
 
 
 BW Please be gentle.
 
 BW (or not)
 
 
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Re: PESO - Lines and Circles

2009-04-14 Thread Brian Walters
Thanks Bruce.

The Museum of Australia is an interesting building (quite apart from
what's inside).  I'll have to spend a bit more time there next time I'm
in Canberra.


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On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 11:51 -0700, Bruce Dayton
bkday...@daytonphoto.com wrote:
 Well, it is a very nice presentation.  The elements that you mention
 work very well.  The moon adds to the overall scene, I think.  Very
 well done.
 
 -- 
 Bruce
 
 
 Friday, April 10, 2009, 4:53:39 AM, you wrote:
 
 BW G'day all
 
 BW The light on these roof panels at the Australian Museum in Canberra
 BW caught my eye.  I like the simplicity of the result and I think the
 moon
 BW balances the image.
 
 BW pitiful, groveling excuses
 BW OK, the moon in this shot was Photoshopped in.  There was a moon in
 the
 BW original image but the shooting conditions wouldn't allow using a
 long
 BW enough lens to make it look significant, while still retaining the
 roof
 BW angles that I wanted - so I Photoshopped it out.
 BW /pitiful, groveling excuses
 
 
 BW http://www.blognow.com.au/PESO/132981/Lines_and_Circles.html
 
 
 BW Please be gentle.
 
 BW (or not)
 
 
 BW Cheers
 
 BW Brian
 
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Re: Difference between 16-45 and 17-70

2009-04-14 Thread Thibouille
Except DA18-250 ;)

On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:59 AM, John Whittingham jo...@carmel.ac.uk wrote:
 All DA lenses have Quick-shift focusing (manual overide) IIRC the manual 
 states it works in AF-S (Single) but not AF-C, my camera is usually set to 
 AF-C for the majority of the time I use it.

 Regards,

 John
 
 From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Joseph 
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 Subject: Re: Difference between 16-45 and 17-70

 I probably shot a few test shots after it was unpacked, but I use the
 DA*16-50 on a regular basis for indoor and lower light shots.

 I don't think any of the DA lenses that are shaft driven only have
 focus override. I've tried on many occasions to do so, and it won't
 move until you shift the camera body into manual, which retracts the
 drive shaft.

 The 17-70 seems to have focus over-ride, but if you move the collar
 very far at all with the release button half way, the motor forces the
 image back into focus, at least in center focus mode that I keep mine
 K20 in for imaging dogs.


 On Apr 13, 2009, at 09:37 , Nick Wright wrote:

 You haven't used the 16-45 since you got it?

 On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Joseph McAllister
 pentax...@mac.com wrote:
 I misspoke on the 16-45. I meant the 16-50 (DA*). I don't think
 I've used
 the 16-45 since I got it, so I know I'm dumb about it.

 On Apr 12, 2009, at 23:06 , Pawel Hottowy wrote:

 I believe all the DAs have override. And I would be very happy to
 realize that my 16-45 is weather sealed, but I certainly doubt so.
 BTW
 the direct comparison of IQ between 16-45 and 17-70 would be great.


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RE: Difference between 16-45 and 17-70

2009-04-14 Thread John Whittingham
I never knew that, thanks. BTW my partner Cath managed to order me Chasseur 
D'Images 304 from the website, Cath speaks French very well having lived in 
France for a number of years.

Regards,

John

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Except DA18-250 ;)

On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:59 AM, John Whittingham jo...@carmel.ac.uk wrote:
 All DA lenses have Quick-shift focusing (manual overide) IIRC the manual 
 states it works in AF-S (Single) but not AF-C, my camera is usually set to 
 AF-C for the majority of the time I use it.

 Regards,

 John
 
 From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Joseph 
 McAllister [pentax...@mac.com]
 Sent: 13 April 2009 23:00
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
 Subject: Re: Difference between 16-45 and 17-70

 I probably shot a few test shots after it was unpacked, but I use the
 DA*16-50 on a regular basis for indoor and lower light shots.

 I don't think any of the DA lenses that are shaft driven only have
 focus override. I've tried on many occasions to do so, and it won't
 move until you shift the camera body into manual, which retracts the
 drive shaft.

 The 17-70 seems to have focus over-ride, but if you move the collar
 very far at all with the release button half way, the motor forces the
 image back into focus, at least in center focus mode that I keep mine
 K20 in for imaging dogs.


 On Apr 13, 2009, at 09:37 , Nick Wright wrote:

 You haven't used the 16-45 since you got it?

 On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Joseph McAllister
 pentax...@mac.com wrote:
 I misspoke on the 16-45. I meant the 16-50 (DA*). I don't think
 I've used
 the 16-45 since I got it, so I know I'm dumb about it.

 On Apr 12, 2009, at 23:06 , Pawel Hottowy wrote:

 I believe all the DAs have override. And I would be very happy to
 realize that my 16-45 is weather sealed, but I certainly doubt so.
 BTW
 the direct comparison of IQ between 16-45 and 17-70 would be great.


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PESO - Fungi. My very first peso :)

2009-04-14 Thread James
Easter trip to Bunya Mtns. 
Collected a Tick as well :(
Wet and in the clouds most of the time.
Comments  most welcome
www.eftel.com.au/~james_bradford/peso.htm

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Re: PESO - Fungi. My very first peso :)

2009-04-14 Thread Cotty
On 14/4/09, James, discombobulated, unleashed:

Easter trip to Bunya Mtns.
Collected a Tick as well :(
Wet and in the clouds most of the time.
Comments  most welcome
www.eftel.com.au/~james_bradford/peso.htm

James

Fascinating subject, well seen.

Don't care much for garish copyright notice through the middle of the
pic, but given subject could be a deterrent. I'm so-so with Photoshop
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Re: Prices

2009-04-14 Thread Bruce Walker

Chris wrote:

I recall seeing a couple of Ad's from Canadian retailers about a Nikon
price increase a few months back, so it looks like Pentax Canada is
just following the market.

I'm not sure how many 50-135's Pentax Canada sells, but I don't see
the price increase making a huge dent in their sales numbers.

- Chris


Considering the target market, I'd be willing to bet that sales of 
50-135's is close to parity with the number of K20Ds sold in Canada.


But sadly I think that you could have replaced 50-135's in you last 
sentence with dSLRs and lenses and actually increase your statment's 
validity. :-)


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RE: Difference between 16-45 and 17-70

2009-04-14 Thread John Whittingham
All DA lenses have Quick-shift focusing (manual overide) IIRC the manual states 
it works in AF-S (Single) but not AF-C, my camera is usually set to AF-C for 
the majority of the time I use it.

Regards,

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From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Joseph 
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Subject: Re: Difference between 16-45 and 17-70

I probably shot a few test shots after it was unpacked, but I use the
DA*16-50 on a regular basis for indoor and lower light shots.

I don't think any of the DA lenses that are shaft driven only have
focus override. I've tried on many occasions to do so, and it won't
move until you shift the camera body into manual, which retracts the
drive shaft.

The 17-70 seems to have focus over-ride, but if you move the collar
very far at all with the release button half way, the motor forces the
image back into focus, at least in center focus mode that I keep mine
K20 in for imaging dogs.


On Apr 13, 2009, at 09:37 , Nick Wright wrote:

 You haven't used the 16-45 since you got it?

 On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Joseph McAllister
 pentax...@mac.com wrote:
 I misspoke on the 16-45. I meant the 16-50 (DA*). I don't think
 I've used
 the 16-45 since I got it, so I know I'm dumb about it.

 On Apr 12, 2009, at 23:06 , Pawel Hottowy wrote:

 I believe all the DAs have override. And I would be very happy to
 realize that my 16-45 is weather sealed, but I certainly doubt so.
 BTW
 the direct comparison of IQ between 16-45 and 17-70 would be great.


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RE: Prices

2009-04-14 Thread John Whittingham
The price of the DA 15mm f/4 Limited has risen in the Uk from £479 last 
Thursday to £599 today at SRS Microsystems, I'll not be buying it at that price 
no matter how good it is!

Regards,

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Chris wrote:
 I recall seeing a couple of Ad's from Canadian retailers about a Nikon
 price increase a few months back, so it looks like Pentax Canada is
 just following the market.

 I'm not sure how many 50-135's Pentax Canada sells, but I don't see
 the price increase making a huge dent in their sales numbers.

 - Chris

Considering the target market, I'd be willing to bet that sales of
50-135's is close to parity with the number of K20Ds sold in Canada.

But sadly I think that you could have replaced 50-135's in you last
sentence with dSLRs and lenses and actually increase your statment's
validity. :-)

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Re: PESO - Fungi. My very first peso :)

2009-04-14 Thread James
Gave the water mark a shot. Maybe will leave it out next time.
Thanks for comments.
Still paying for the tick tho
James


On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 11:52:40 +0100, Cotty wrote:

Fascinating subject, well seen.

Don't care much for garish copyright notice through the middle of the
pic, but given subject could be a deterrent. I'm so-so with Photoshop
but could scrub that out in a trice.

Well done.





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Re: Bill Owens

2009-04-14 Thread Mark Roberts

Bill Owens wrote:

Thanks folks.  I'm back home and recuperating slowly.  We still hope
to meet at GFM, even if just for the day on Saturday.


Great to hear it, Bill! Looking forward to seeing you and Phyllis there.


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Re: GESO - Easter photos

2009-04-14 Thread Scott Loveless
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Timbah! tim...@clancode.hu wrote:
 Scott Loveless wrote:

 For CB.  Start here -

 http://picasaweb.google.com/sdloveless/EasterMassacre09#5324183857250561186

 Feel free to rewrite the captions.



 Is that Pikachu x 4? :D


 Nice little stop motion :)

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Re: A Walk-Around lens

2009-04-14 Thread Perry Pellechia
I will give a second positive opinion on the Sigma DC 18-125mm.
Sharpness is very good until you reach the longer end.  Distortion on
the wide end can be an issue but for most subjects it is OK.  I have
not had any issues with flare.  This lens lives on the *istD that my
wife now shoots.

Some examples she shot:

http://picasaweb.google.com/mpell555/SouthCarolinaBotanicalGarden#5203025833012929650
http://picasaweb.google.com/mpell555/SouthCarolinaBotanicalGarden#5203026017696523394

Flare Control:
http://picasaweb.google.com/mpell555/AsilomarStateBeach#5178155708314529378

Typical distortions:
http://picasaweb.google.com/mpell555/CharlestonMarch2007#5043825553141407810

On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 4:22 AM, Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm wrote:
 Jim, Larry, Joseph, Igor

 Thanks for the feedback on this.  It seems the Pentax/Tamron 18-250 is a
 viable option, provided I stay aware of the limitations.  Definitely
 being considered.

 Jim - thanks for the thoughts on the Sigma 18-135 mm.  That one would
 probably meet most of my needs for a walk about lens. The Sigma 17-70 is
 probably not long enough for what I think I need!


 Cheers

 Brian

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 On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 13:43 -0400, Jim King jamesk8...@mac.com wrote:
 Brian Walters wrote on Sun, 12 Apr 2009 03:55:38 -0700
  G'day all
 
  I'm contemplating getting a wide to tele zoom as a walk around lens,
  when I just want to carry a camera and a single lens.  I'd like
  something that starts at around 18 mm and goes to at least 135 mm.
 
  I'm aware of the Pentax, Tamron and Sigma 18-250 mm zooms but that
  range
  seems to be asking a lot of optical design.  Does anyone have
  experience
  with any of these? Are the Pentax and Tamrons pretty much the same
  thing
  under the skin?
 
  Are there any other affordable options?

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Re: regards PESO 2009 - 052 ...

2009-04-14 Thread William Robb


- Original Message - 
From: Bob W

Subject: RE: regards PESO 2009 - 052 ...



Now, one can probably presume that a person who takes good
pictures has
learned how to not take bad ones.


They've learned not to _show_ bad ones.


I knew that was going to come back, but I still think it's a valid 
observation.
The people who haven't learned how to not take bad pictures won't have any 
good ones to show.


William Robb 



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Re: New hazard for photographers

2009-04-14 Thread Paul Sorenson
Charles Voyde Harrelson (a professional hitman; born July 23, 1938; was 
jailed for most of Harrelson's childhood for performing a hired killing; 
was divorced by his wife in 1964; died on March 15, 2007 due to heart 
attack in the Supermax federal prison)


http://www.celebritywonder.com/html/woodyharrelson.html

-p

Bob W wrote:

Who's the daddy?


I think Woody's just channeling his daddy.

From: paul stenquist

Woody Harrelson is one of those Hollywood A-holes who doesn't
understand that when he chose celebrity status, he also 

elected to be
in the public eye. The photographer is the public eye. He's 

doing his

job. Paul On Apr 12, 2009, at 6:42 AM, Sandy Harris wrote:

Woody Harrelson might mistake you for a zombie!



http://edition.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Movies/04/10/woody.harrels
on.zombie/index.html

 http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20271916,00.html

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PESO - The Greasy Spoon

2009-04-14 Thread frank theriault
http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/04/greasy-spoon.html

Comments are always welcome.

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Re: regards PESO 2009 - 052 ...

2009-04-14 Thread frank theriault
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 1:19 AM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm going to be the disagreeable onesnip

Hey, there's a stretch...

;-)

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Re: PESO - Fungi. My very first peso :)

2009-04-14 Thread Brian Walters
G'day James

They're an attractive pair of fungi.  Must be the season for them - I've
had several different types come up in my yard in the past few weeks.

I really like the top one - excellent colour and sharpness.  According
to my Fungi field guide it's Dictyophora multicolor, commonly known as
stinkhorn because the cap smells like rotting meat as it matures.

Not quite so keen on the second one.  The mini-umbrella shapes are very
attractive but I think the image is spoiled a bit by the highlights
caused by the flashes on the background.  You can also see the
reflections of the flashes on the caps.  Perhaps some diffusers on the
flash heads would have helped. 

I agree with Cotty about the watermarks.

Bunya Mountains. I love that place - stayed there a couple of times. 
Thankfully I escaped being 'ticked'!

I hope we'll see some more of your work.



Cheers

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 Easter trip to Bunya Mtns. 
 Collected a Tick as well :(
 Wet and in the clouds most of the time.
 Comments  most welcome
 www.eftel.com.au/~james_bradford/peso.htm
 
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Re: PESO - The Greasy Spoon

2009-04-14 Thread Scott Loveless
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 8:50 AM, frank theriault
knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
 http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/04/greasy-spoon.html

That is one of the best photos I've seen from you in a while.  And
most of the pictures you show us are pretty darn good.  I love the
contrast.  Counter's a bit clean for greasy spoon status, but that's
just a title nit.

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Re: A Walk-Around lens

2009-04-14 Thread Brian Walters
Thanks, Perry

And thanks for the examples.  It looks to be a perfectly acceptable
'walk-around' lens.  I think I could live with the distortions, or at
least manage them.


Cheers

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On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 08:20 -0400, Perry Pellechia
snagglepus...@gmail.com wrote:
 I will give a second positive opinion on the Sigma DC 18-125mm.
 Sharpness is very good until you reach the longer end.  Distortion on
 the wide end can be an issue but for most subjects it is OK.  I have
 not had any issues with flare.  This lens lives on the *istD that my
 wife now shoots.
 
 Some examples she shot:
 
 http://picasaweb.google.com/mpell555/SouthCarolinaBotanicalGarden#5203025833012929650
 http://picasaweb.google.com/mpell555/SouthCarolinaBotanicalGarden#5203026017696523394
 
 Flare Control:
 http://picasaweb.google.com/mpell555/AsilomarStateBeach#5178155708314529378
 
 Typical distortions:
 http://picasaweb.google.com/mpell555/CharlestonMarch2007#5043825553141407810
 
 On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 4:22 AM, Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm
 wrote:
  Jim, Larry, Joseph, Igor
 
  Thanks for the feedback on this.  It seems the Pentax/Tamron 18-250 is a
  viable option, provided I stay aware of the limitations.  Definitely
  being considered.
 
  Jim - thanks for the thoughts on the Sigma 18-135 mm.  That one would
  probably meet most of my needs for a walk about lens. The Sigma 17-70 is
  probably not long enough for what I think I need!
 
 
  Cheers
 
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Re: PESO - Fungi. My very first peso :)

2009-04-14 Thread Christian

James wrote:
Easter trip to Bunya Mtns. 
Collected a Tick as well :(

Wet and in the clouds most of the time.
Comments  most welcome
www.eftel.com.au/~james_bradford/peso.htm

James





The first is a bit dark but a very cool subject and nice and sharp. 
Love the second one.


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Re: PESO - The Greasy Spoon

2009-04-14 Thread Christian

frank theriault wrote:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/04/greasy-spoon.html

Comments are always welcome.

cheers,
frank



Great composition and I really like the bright light coming in from the 
front and the silhouettes of the patrons.


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Re: PESO - The Greasy Spoon

2009-04-14 Thread Bill Owens
Nah, here's the real geasy spoon.

http://texastavern-inc.com/

Bill

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 http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/04/greasy-spoon.html

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Re: Pentax K to Canon Eos adapter - any good?

2009-04-14 Thread Luiz Felipe
Well, that kind of mod writes the K adapter off indeed. The sales pitch 
wouldn't suggest any modification to the lens.


Currently I own two M42 lenses - a Pentacon 55/1.8 and SMC Takumar 
135/2.5. Purchasing one of those adapters for just one lens (the 500n 
came with an EF 50mm and EF 28~80mm) hardly seems a good move.


Are there any different adapters that you know of that would not need 
those mods - maybe rotating the lens as Godfrey mentions in the K- 4/3 
interface?


The 500n is a crude thing, but last night I took a reading of some scene 
at the office, setting the lens wide open. Then I disengaged the lens so 
the electric contacts were off - so the camera would not notice the 
lens anymore. Sure thing, the aperture would not register, the focus 
confirmation became dead even if the scene remained in proper focus, but 
the camera offered the same reading - and took the pic when I triggered.


LF

Adam Maas escreveu:

M42 lenses readily adapt to EOS but K mount is a different story
altogether. Using K mount lenses on EOS bodies other than the EF-S
digital bodies (Digital Rebels, 20D-50D) requires non-reversible
physical modification of the lens in question. The guard for the
aperture stop-down lever must be removed (permanent mod) and the
stop-down lever itself must either be removed or cut down (may be
reversible depending on lens).

Infinity focus is achievable. Aperture Priority and Manual modes work
with TTL flash but metering may not be reliable depending on body (I'm
not sure if the 500n has accurate stop-down metering). You lose
everything else (AF, full-aperture metering VF display of aperture,
all exposure modes other than Av and M)

-Adam

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Since I'm stuck for a while with a EOS 500n, I'm wondering about those
adapters. Found one version local, but I'm told no AF confirm is expected
since it's a plain metal interface.

I know some of you use those adapters... how much did you pay for your
version, and what EOS functions are kept? Infinity in focus? Any eletric
contacts?

I'd be using that with Pentax lenses ranging from M42 with K adapter to FA,
manual focus and aperture of course, but without focus confirm it's just not
worth it.

Comments?

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Re: PESO - Fungi. My very first peso :)

2009-04-14 Thread frank theriault
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 6:46 AM, James s...@eftel.net.au wrote:
 Easter trip to Bunya Mtns.
 Collected a Tick as well :(
 Wet and in the clouds most of the time.
 Comments  most welcome
 www.eftel.com.au/~james_bradford/peso.htm

I really like both of these.  I've never seen anything like that first one.

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Re: regards PESO 2009 - 052 ...

2009-04-14 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi


On Apr 14, 2009, at 12:36 AM, Bob W wrote:

I infer from the quote that an honest and thorough critique is  
necessarily
negative, but I think (and Godfrey please correct me if I'm wrong)  
that the
point was that a critique of a picture you like can be honest and  
thorough -
it doesn't have to be about how you would have taken a much better  
picture,

as someone here once put it.


Forgive my slow response to this thread ... I've been very occupied  
the past couple of days and have not kept up with email.


My post to Flickr:

There's nothing wrong with writing a critique of a photo in which  
you don't see any flaws. Critique isn't always about pointing out  
flaws or making suggestions for improvement ... it is just as much  
about expressing an appreciation of the photograph, it's subject or  
emotional impact on you as a viewer, as it is about constructive  
criticism.


How a photograph makes you feel, reminds you of things you've seen  
or suggests things you would like to experience, is every bit as  
important to me as a photographer reading a critique of my work as  
whether or not you see a flaw that I might have missed. I think this  
aspect of critique is often terribly underrepresented in the  
critiques I read in this group.



My point is that a critique does not necessarily have to deal with  
correction of flaws and constructive criticism. It can be just as  
honest and thorough by the viewer expanding upon what affects him/her  
about a photo they like, don't see any need to provide a fix or  
alteration to. An honest and thorough critique of this sort can  
provide useful input as to how to expand a particular body of work in  
order to enhance the 'message' or viewer experience.


For instance, the next picture I posted ... 052-candy ... has been  
very interesting. I have received about 40 responses to it. The  
viewers on this and the other venues I posted it as a BW - Color pair  
to concentrated primarily on technical aspects of the rendering ...  
whether they liked the BW vs the Color rendering, a couple of details  
regarding tonal qualities, conventions of images of kids and Easter,  
etc. Only a few people touched on how they reacted to the photo in  
terms of its emotional content. I also posted it in the BW or Color  
rendering only to a couple of venues ... there the responses were a  
bit more in the domain of emotional reaction (and I was a little  
surprised to read that many looking at the BW rendering found  
something sinister in it!).


I'll read through the rest of this thread a little later on ... it's  
locally cached on my other computer. But thank you all for the  
participation and thoughts.


Godfrey

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Re: Prices

2009-04-14 Thread Adam Maas
The Nikon price increase totalled a couple humdred on big-ticket items
like the D700, much less on cheaper items. Very big difference from
doubling on common zooms or flashes.

-Adam

On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 12:37 AM, Chris apemanspace...@gmail.com wrote:
 I recall seeing a couple of Ad's from Canadian retailers about a Nikon
 price increase a few months back, so it looks like Pentax Canada is
 just following the market.

 I'm not sure how many 50-135's Pentax Canada sells, but I don't see
 the price increase making a huge dent in their sales numbers.

 - Chris

 On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 7:55 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
 From: Bruce Walker

 It may be some sort of sensible economics math at work here, but it will
 severely impact brand loyalty -- as well as sales -- in the sort term.

 If it really is based on sensible economics math, the other brands should
 also be posting some hefty price increases as well.



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Re: PESO - The Greasy Spoon

2009-04-14 Thread Jack Davis

Aptly titled, excellent example. HDR works!

Jack


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 Subject: PESO - The Greasy Spoon
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net
 Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 5:50 AM
 http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/04/greasy-spoon.html
 
 Comments are always welcome.
 
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PESO: The Silly String Incident

2009-04-14 Thread Cory Waters
The Easter bunny left a couple cans of silly string here Sunday 
morning.  There was a shootout. 
This is the kind of photo that looks great in a slide show on Grandma's 
digital picture frame.

http://cwaters.smugmug.com/gallery/7895455_7PEkL#511974320_GNqz3-A-LB
Cory

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Re: PESO - The Greasy Spoon

2009-04-14 Thread Jack Davis

Pleased you're up and doing, Bill! Maybe you guys need to do a grease 
throwdown. ;)

Jack


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 Subject: Re: PESO - The Greasy Spoon
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 Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 6:32 AM
 Nah, here's the real geasy spoon.
 
 http://texastavern-inc.com/
 
 Bill
 
 On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 8:50 AM, frank theriault
 knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/04/greasy-spoon.html
 
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Re: Who wants to see a clue as to next Pentax DSLRs ?

2009-04-14 Thread Luiz Felipe

Well, speculation it is, but since I'm rather idle at the moment... :-)

I believe it's in fact a camera, so either some old camera - pre-K10/ 
K100 - or a new one. Later down the thread someone tells it's not the 
*ist D - the DS and DL had no front dial.


Is it possible that some new camera with front dial would discard the 
RTF? Maybe some newer RTF that would rise enough without needing the 
front projection on the K-series?


...or is it just another 645 prototype?

I found another interesting image at the blog, some Nikon D5000. The 
owner appears to be interested in hi-tech gadgets... :-)


LF

Thibouille escreveu:

No way, check with any Pentax DSLr with a 35 macro limited mounted on it:
* the side of the mount/prism isn't the same.
* the integrated flash is no way looking like current DSLRs.

It something different, very clearly. Please read the thread.

On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 7:55 AM, AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote:

Considering the blur, that camera could be any of the current
Pentaxen. The shade on top could be from a baseball cap. Or anything.
:-)

As speculations come, I'd say that one is pretty idle.

Jostein


2009/4/14 Thibouille pentaxl...@gmail.com:

Thread here:
http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-news-rumors/57107-pic-k30d.html

Worth reading IMO. This is speculation of course but there's a image
of it (well part of it).
This substantiate things quite much rather than 'I heard that' blabla

If this is no new DSLR than I really dunno what it is.
Seems more compact than previous bodies :)

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Re: GESO - Easter photos

2009-04-14 Thread Cory Waters
Was this inspired by my Facebook post?  Looking at that last photo, I'm 
compelled to ask: Are you gonna eat that?

CW

Scott Loveless wrote:

On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Timbah! tim...@clancode.hu wrote:
  

Scott Loveless wrote:


For CB.  Start here -

http://picasaweb.google.com/sdloveless/EasterMassacre09#5324183857250561186

Feel free to rewrite the captions.


  

Is that Pikachu x 4? :D


Nice little stop motion :)



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Re: regards PESO 2009 - 052 ...

2009-04-14 Thread Graydon
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 06:32:25AM -0600, William Robb scripsit:
 - Original Message - From: Bob W Subject: RE: regards PESO
 2009 - 052 ...
 Now, one can probably presume that a person who takes good pictures
 has learned how to not take bad ones.

 They've learned not to _show_ bad ones.

 I knew that was going to come back, but I still think it's a valid
 observation.  The people who haven't learned how to not take bad
 pictures won't have any good ones to show.

There's also the question of what constitutes good.

I have -- coming to this from the perspective of being only-an-egg at
photography -- certainly found the breadth of PESO postings educational.

Since I think it improper to comment without having posted something
myself, I've provided links to a couple of pictures.  If I didn't think
that, I might not yet have produced a PESO post.  The general quality
level, even for the stuff where I'm sure I don't understand the
objectives, is very high.

I think that makes being able to articulate _why_ a particular image
works or doesn't work is much more helpful than I liked it! or that's
nice!, even if I liked it! is basically cheering.

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Re: Prices

2009-04-14 Thread Graydon
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 09:53:02AM -0400, Adam Maas scripsit:
 The Nikon price increase totalled a couple humdred on big-ticket items
 like the D700, much less on cheaper items. Very big difference from
 doubling on common zooms or flashes.

It's quite likely Nikon was doing the math on their products from the
start, rather than using whatever sense-of-appropriateness Pentax had
been using.

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Re: PESO: The Silly String Incident

2009-04-14 Thread Doug Brewer

Cory Waters wrote:
The Easter bunny left a couple cans of silly string here Sunday 
morning.  There was a shootout. This is the kind of photo that looks 
great in a slide show on Grandma's digital picture frame.

http://cwaters.smugmug.com/gallery/7895455_7PEkL#511974320_GNqz3-A-LB
Cory


fun. reminded me of this:

http://www.vpphotogallery.com/photog_mili_picasso.htm

scary place, my mind...

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Re: PESO: The Silly String Incident

2009-04-14 Thread Scott Loveless
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Cory Waters cbwat...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 The Easter bunny left a couple cans of silly string here Sunday morning.
  There was a shootout. This is the kind of photo that looks great in a slide
 show on Grandma's digital picture frame.
 http://cwaters.smugmug.com/gallery/7895455_7PEkL#511974320_GNqz3-A-LB

No, no, no!  You have to do that _inside_ where the effect is much
more interesting.

Seriously, that's cute.  I'll have to introduce my kids to silly
string one of these days.  Outside, of course.  Or maybe at your
place.

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Re: PESO - Fungi. My very first peso :)

2009-04-14 Thread Luiz Felipe
Very interesting - the first works better because of the flash 
reflections on the second, wich offers a more interesting subject for my 
taste.


Keep a copyright notice, but not one that intrudes on the photo like the 
present... you're covering parts of your work. :-)


LF

James escreveu:
Easter trip to Bunya Mtns. 
Collected a Tick as well :(

Wet and in the clouds most of the time.
Comments  most welcome
www.eftel.com.au/~james_bradford/peso.htm

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Re: PESO: The Silly String Incident

2009-04-14 Thread frank theriault
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Cory Waters cbwat...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 The Easter bunny left a couple cans of silly string here Sunday morning.
  There was a shootout. This is the kind of photo that looks great in a slide
 show on Grandma's digital picture frame.
 http://cwaters.smugmug.com/gallery/7895455_7PEkL#511974320_GNqz3-A-LB
 Cory

I remember silly string.  I'm sure there's something about it that's
bad for the environment, but what the hell, something that fun is
worth an ozone hole here and there.

;-)

Fun pic, Cory!

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Re: OT PESO - Beached Pirate Queen

2009-04-14 Thread David Savage
2009/4/10 Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm:
 Well, shiver me timbers and call me a scurvy knave.

OK Mr Knave.

 What part of WA do these pirates inhabit?  I'll have to add it to my
 list.

Bunbury. About 190km south of Perth.

BTW, Bunbury would be an excellent place to base yourself for
exploring the south west region (IMO the prettiest part of the state).
From there your no more than 2 (and a bit) hours from most of the
south-west's best locations.

 That's really well done.  I dip's me lid (or me tricorne, which seems
 more appropriate in this case).

thank you sir.

I have to say shooting a real model, with the help of a real make up
artist makes it a joy.

Shooting real people is a lot harder.

Cheers,

Dave

 On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 14:16 +0800, David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 G'day All,

 Another one from the workshop down south:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/3423445309/

 Direct Link (~220kb)

 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3647/3423445309_9655f0d28f_o.jpg

 D700, 70-200mm f2.8 @ 102mm, 1/1250 @ f4, ISO 100

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Re: OT PESO - Beached Pirate Queen

2009-04-14 Thread David Savage
That was the intent :-)

thanks for looking.

Cheers,

Dave

2009/4/10 paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net:
 Very nice. Sexy.
 Paul
 On Apr 10, 2009, at 2:16 AM, David Savage wrote:

 G'day All,

 Another one from the workshop down south:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/3423445309/

 Direct Link (~220kb)

 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3647/3423445309_9655f0d28f_o.jpg

 D700, 70-200mm f2.8 @ 102mm, 1/1250 @ f4, ISO 100

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Re: OT PESO - Beached Pirate Queen

2009-04-14 Thread David Savage
Thanks Jack.

However, I can't take much credit for the posing. The model was in
freestyle mode. I just had to wait for the appropriate eye contact.

Cheers,

Dave

2009/4/10 Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com:

 Striking images, Dave! Especially well chosen pose of the seated Queen.

 Jack


 --- On Thu, 4/9/09, David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com
 Subject: OT PESO - Beached Pirate Queen
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net
 Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 11:16 PM
 G'day All,

 Another one from the workshop down south:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/3423445309/

 Direct Link (~220kb)

 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3647/3423445309_9655f0d28f_o.jpg

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Re: OT PESO - Beached Pirate Queen

2009-04-14 Thread David Savage
2009/4/10 Doug Brewer d...@alphoto.com:
 David Savage wrote:

 G'day All,

 Another one from the workshop down south:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/3423445309/

 Direct Link (~220kb)

 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3647/3423445309_9655f0d28f_o.jpg

 D700, 70-200mm f2.8 @ 102mm, 1/1250 @ f4, ISO 100

 Enjoy.

 Cheers,

 Dave

 arrr

Indeed.

:-)

Cheers,

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Re: OT PESO - Beached Pirate Queen

2009-04-14 Thread David Savage
2009/4/10 Christian christ...@skofteland.net:
 David Savage wrote:

 G'day All,

 Another one from the workshop down south:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/3423445309/

 Direct Link (~220kb)

 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3647/3423445309_9655f0d28f_o.jpg

 D700, 70-200mm f2.8 @ 102mm, 1/1250 @ f4, ISO 100

 Enjoy.

 DUDE

SWEET!!!

:-)

Cheers,

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Re: OT PESO - Beached Pirate Queen

2009-04-14 Thread David Savage
2009/4/10 David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com:
 Wonderful shot.

Thanks Dave

 Love the images from your D700.

I'm having fun with it.

 Need an assistant.

If I can get my sht together  organise more shoots I will certainly
need an extra hand or 2.

Cheers,

Dave

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Re: OT PESO - Beached Pirate Queen

2009-04-14 Thread David Savage
That's only natural Bob.

I see what you're saying, sorta'. But in all honesty I am constantly
drawn to her eyes. So I tend to skip over any awkward ness in the
lower half :-)

Cheers,

Dave

2009/4/10 Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com:
 Dave,
 Love the top half of the photo.
 The legs keep distracting me.
 There's got to be a better pose for them.
 Her right leg looks heavy and the left thigh looks awkward.
 ...not that I could do any better!   ;-)
 She looks delicious, but could be pin-up material.
 Not bad for an initial outing.
 Regards, Bob S.


 On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 1:16 AM, David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com wrote:
 G'day All,

 Another one from the workshop down south:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/3423445309/

 Direct Link (~220kb)

 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3647/3423445309_9655f0d28f_o.jpg

 D700, 70-200mm f2.8 @ 102mm, 1/1250 @ f4, ISO 100

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Re: OT PESO - Beached Pirate Queen

2009-04-14 Thread David Savage
LOL

Thanks for looking mate.

Cheers,

Dave

2009/4/10 Luiz Felipe luiz.fel...@techmit.com.br:
 David, I was changing the wallpaper today... :-)

 LF
 (serious, I like the photo but my current desktop background stays a little
 more... ;-))


 David Savage escreveu:

 G'day All,

 Another one from the workshop down south:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/3423445309/

 Direct Link (~220kb)

 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3647/3423445309_9655f0d28f_o.jpg

 D700, 70-200mm f2.8 @ 102mm, 1/1250 @ f4, ISO 100

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Re: OT PESO - Beached Pirate Queen

2009-04-14 Thread David Savage
Thanks Ken.

Cheers,

Dave

2009/4/11 Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com:
 Well done.

 Kenneth Waller
 http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

 - Original Message - From: David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com

 Subject: OT PESO - Beached Pirate Queen


 G'day All,

 Another one from the workshop down south:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/3423445309/

 Direct Link (~220kb)

 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3647/3423445309_9655f0d28f_o.jpg

 D700, 70-200mm f2.8 @ 102mm, 1/1250 @ f4, ISO 100

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Re: OT PESO - Beached Pirate Queen

2009-04-14 Thread David Savage
Thanks Pasvorn. What's your flickr name?

Thanks for looking  your kind comments.

Cheers,

Dave

2009/4/11 Pasvorn Boonmark pasv...@boonmark.net:
 Dave,

 Nice.  I actually look at your flickr sets.  There are numerous that I
 really like.

 Thanks for sharing.

 -Pasvorn

 On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 11:16 PM, David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com wrote:
 G'day All,

 Another one from the workshop down south:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/3423445309/

 Direct Link (~220kb)

 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3647/3423445309_9655f0d28f_o.jpg

 D700, 70-200mm f2.8 @ 102mm, 1/1250 @ f4, ISO 100

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Re: OT PESO - Beached Pirate Queen

2009-04-14 Thread David Savage
Thanks Joseph.

This isn't my most favoured shot from this part of the shoot, but it
is the sexiest, so I thought the lads would enjoy it :-)

Cheers,

Dave

2009/4/11 Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com:
 This photo presentation should have been preceded by a warning to have one's
 Digitalis close at hand, David!

 Whew!   Great capture of the moment.


 On Apr 9, 2009, at 23:16 , David Savage wrote:

 G'day All,

 Another one from the workshop down south:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/3423445309/

 Direct Link (~220kb)

 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3647/3423445309_9655f0d28f_o.jpg

 D700, 70-200mm f2.8 @ 102mm, 1/1250 @ f4, ISO 100

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Re: OT PESO - Beached Pirate Queen

2009-04-14 Thread David Savage
LOL

Short on trousers? I hadn't noticed :-)

Cheers,

Dave

2009/4/11 Christine  Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net:
 You know,  a serious book on lady pirates through out history has been
 written--I have the book somewhere, when I find it, I'll pass on the
 title--since you seem to be interested in the subject--;-).  Nice pic,
 btw--pretty light  girl--it appears she's short on trousers though.  ;-).
 Cheers, Christine



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 G'day All,

 Another one from the workshop down south:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/3423445309/

 Direct Link (~220kb)

 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3647/3423445309_9655f0d28f_o.jpg

 D700, 70-200mm f2.8 @ 102mm, 1/1250 @ f4, ISO 100

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Re: OT PESO - Beached Pirate Queen

2009-04-14 Thread David Savage
I just bet you were Stan :-)

Cheers,

Dave

2009/4/11 Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info:
 Hmm, I hadn't noticed that. I was looking at her boots in the water and
 hoping that they are waterproof.
 ;-)

 stan

 On Apr 10, 2009, at 8:22 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:

  Nice pic, btw--pretty light  girl--it appears she's short on trousers
 though.  ;-). Cheers, Christine

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Re: OT PESO - Beached Pirate Queen

2009-04-14 Thread David Savage
2009/4/11 Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com:
 On Apr 10, 2009, at 18:22 , Christine Aguila wrote:

 You know,  a serious book on lady pirates through out history has been
 written--I have the book somewhere, when I find it, I'll pass on the
 title--since you seem to be interested in the subject--;-).  Nice pic,
 btw--pretty light  girl--it appears she's short on trousers though.  ;-).
 Cheers, Christine

 She's got something on behind her hands. Savage doesn't have enough money to
 hire those kind of models!

I don't, but I do have some from before she started pulling the shirt down.

But they just came across as really tacky.

:-)

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Re: regards PESO 2009 - 052 ...

2009-04-14 Thread Jack Davis

BINGO!!

J


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 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 5:32 AM
 - Original Message - From: Bob W
 Subject: RE: regards PESO 2009 - 052 ...
 
 
  Now, one can probably presume that a person who
 takes good
  pictures has
  learned how to not take bad ones.
  
  They've learned not to _show_ bad ones.
 
 I knew that was going to come back, but I still think
 it's a valid observation.
 The people who haven't learned how to not take bad
 pictures won't have any good ones to show.
 
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Re: OT PESO - Beached Pirate Queen

2009-04-14 Thread David Savage
2009/4/11  eactiv...@aol.com:
 In a message dated 4/9/2009 11:17:09 P.M.  Pacific Daylight Time,
 ozsav...@gmail.com writes:
 G'day All,

 Another  one from the workshop down  south:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/3423445309/

 Direct  Link  (~220kb)

 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3647/3423445309_9655f0d28f_o.jpg

 D700,  70-200mm f2.8 @ 102mm, 1/1250 @ f4, ISO  100

 ===
 Not a bad  shot, and one I imagine the guys on list will like.

Given the responses, I think it's safe to say you are right :-)

Dave

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Re: OT PESO - Beached Pirate Queen

2009-04-14 Thread David Savage
2009/4/14 frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com:
 On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 2:16 AM, David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com wrote:
 G'day All,

 Another one from the workshop down south:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/3423445309/

 Direct Link (~220kb)

 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3647/3423445309_9655f0d28f_o.jpg

 Argh!

Thar be that black heart Captain knarF in search of a suitable pirate wench.

DS

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Re: PESO - Saturday Morning, Queen and Bathurst

2009-04-14 Thread frank theriault
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote:
 On 13/4/09, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed:

When they saw my camera, they asked if I'd take a picture;  I was
happy to oblige.  I told them I'd be back next Saturday to give them a
print, and they seemed quite pleased:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/04/saturday-morning-queen-and-
bathurst.html

Comments always welcome.

 Great shot Frank. Truly great.

Thank you, Cotty, and thanks to everyone else who commented.

I don't generally take photos of homeless people, unless they ask.
Invariably when they do ask and then look at the LCD at their photos,
a big smile appears on their faces.

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Re: PESO - Saturday Morning, Queen and Bathurst

2009-04-14 Thread Jack Davis

In a sense, both the attention and the image, may serve to confirm their 
existence. how deep is that ;))

Jack


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 Subject: Re: PESO - Saturday Morning, Queen and Bathurst
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 7:57 AM
 On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Cotty
 cotty...@mac.com wrote:
  On 13/4/09, frank theriault, discombobulated,
 unleashed:
 
 When they saw my camera, they asked if I'd take
 a picture;  I was
 happy to oblige.  I told them I'd be back next
 Saturday to give them a
 print, and they seemed quite pleased:
 
 http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/04/saturday-morning-queen-and-
 bathurst.html
 
 Comments always welcome.
 
  Great shot Frank. Truly great.
 
 Thank you, Cotty, and thanks to everyone else who
 commented.
 
 I don't generally take photos of homeless people,
 unless they ask.
 Invariably when they do ask and then look at the LCD at
 their photos,
 a big smile appears on their faces.
 
 cheers,
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Re: OT PESO - Beached Pirate Queen

2009-04-14 Thread Doug Brewer

David Savage wrote:


I don't, but I do have some from before she started pulling the shirt down.

But they just came across as really tacky.


we'll be the judge of that

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Re: GESO A little tractor and a little lens

2009-04-14 Thread frank theriault
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:

 Whenever I see an old caterpillar tractor like that which was used for

 Actually, this is an International Harvester, not a Cat.
snip

I actually used a lower-case c for caterpillar quite purposely, so
as to denote that I was talking about a continuous track vehicle
rather than the brand name Caterpillar.  I suppose I should have said
continuous track instead...

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Re: OT PESO - Beached Pirate Queen

2009-04-14 Thread David Savage
2009/4/14 Doug Brewer d...@alphoto.com:
 David Savage wrote:

 I don't, but I do have some from before she started pulling the shirt
 down.

 But they just came across as really tacky.

 we'll be the judge of that

Sorry Doug, but they are really bad.

I was having a difficult time concentrating I think.

Dave

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Re: PESO - The Greasy Spoon

2009-04-14 Thread Bob Sullivan
Frank,
I see old guys at the counter, wearing their coats while Xmas tree
lights are still hang above the center island.  It does evoke a mood.
Regards,  Bob S.

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 http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/04/greasy-spoon.html

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Re: PESO - The Greasy Spoon

2009-04-14 Thread frank theriault
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
 Frank,
 I see old guys at the counter, wearing their coats while Xmas tree
 lights are still hang above the center island.  It does evoke a mood.

Yeah, and it was taken on Saturday morning...

It's been a bit coolish around here for early April, which explains
the coats, however I suspect that those Christmas lights are a
permanent fixture there.

;-)

This place certainly had a mood to it - for me that mood is evoked
as much by the beer on the counter (at about 10am) as anything else.
Great fries, though!

Thanks for looking and commenting.

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Re: Who wants to see a clue as to next Pentax DSLRs ?

2009-04-14 Thread Graydon
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 06:32:51AM +0200, Thibouille scripsit:
[snip]
 If this is no new DSLR than I really dunno what it is.  Seems more
 compact than previous bodies :)

It's a mockup finish tester; its a block of wood that lets them abuse
body coatings at minimum cost, to see what sweats off first.

It's a sales tool; it looks kinda like a camera body, but its sole
actual function is to be locked to a lens -- really locked, need a key
to detach the lens -- and a table via a cable.  There's a pentaprism and
a fixed mirror and that's it.  It looks vaguely like the camera they
were thinking about marketing in 1997, but never did.

It's not a DSLR; it's EVIL.  The different viewfinder beak and angle is
because the flash and the electronic viewfinder fight for space, and
some clever person decided to use the flash at very low power as the
viewfinder back light.

It's an X70 sensor and electronics; all they've done is modify the body
slightly to stick a KAF4 mount on it.  (KAF4 -- like KAF3 only the
camera won't work if it doesn't find power zoom/SDM contacts on the
lens.)  What looks like the front e-dial is really the focus.

It IS a DSLR; a 19MP APS-C DSLR with an effective ISO range from 50 to
6400 and the very best colour fidelity yet made.  It will only be sold
in Japan, and no English language firmware exists.

It's a DSLR, all right, but one with a 6cmx4cm fixed sensor; effective
pixel count is 5MP.  Purely electronic shake reduction, based on where
the image happens to be on the huge sensor.  MSRP somewhere around 5
KUSD.  No ISO setting below 800.

I mean, come on -- use your imagination!  Whoever took that very blurry
picture sure did.

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Re: Prices

2009-04-14 Thread David J Brooks
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote:
 The Nikon price increase totalled a couple humdred on big-ticket items
 like the D700, much less on cheaper items. Very big difference from
 doubling on common zooms or flashes.

 -Adam

Looks like the D300 is up $100.00 and the 70-200 2.8 vr is up $400.00,
locally. It is back to what i paid for it in 2006, and was around
$1799 for about a year.

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Re: PESO - The Greasy Spoon

2009-04-14 Thread David J Brooks
The lighting certainly adds to this Frank.

Gives it that spoon look.

Dave

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Re: regards PESO 2009 - 052 ...

2009-04-14 Thread Fernando
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem


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 Now, one can probably presume that a person who takes good
 pictures has
 learned how to not take bad ones.

 They've learned not to _show_ bad ones.

 I knew that was going to come back, but I still think it's a valid
 observation.
 The people who haven't learned how to not take bad pictures won't have any
 good ones to show.

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Re: Who wants to see a clue as to next Pentax DSLRs ?

2009-04-14 Thread David J Brooks
Blurry photo. Just like all the flying saucers shots I see.:-)

Dave

On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 12:32 AM, Thibouille pentaxl...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thread here:
 http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-news-rumors/57107-pic-k30d.html

 Worth reading IMO. This is speculation of course but there's a image
 of it (well part of it).
 This substantiate things quite much rather than 'I heard that' blabla

 If this is no new DSLR than I really dunno what it is.
 Seems more compact than previous bodies :)

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Re: PESO: The Silly String Incident

2009-04-14 Thread David J Brooks
Di the easter bunny leave the extra sticky stuff.

Dave

On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Cory Waters cbwat...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 The Easter bunny left a couple cans of silly string here Sunday morning.
  There was a shootout. This is the kind of photo that looks great in a slide
 show on Grandma's digital picture frame.
 http://cwaters.smugmug.com/gallery/7895455_7PEkL#511974320_GNqz3-A-LB
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Re: PESO - Fungi. My very first peso :)

2009-04-14 Thread David J Brooks
Like the first one. Its a bit dark and forlone,, but works.

Nice and sharp, good detail.

I really like my 70-210 F4 for macro, does a decent job.

Tick, yuk. Rather prevalent in North Western Ontario. and Easter
Manitoba. Picked my share .:-)

On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 6:46 AM, James s...@eftel.net.au wrote:
 Easter trip to Bunya Mtns.
 Collected a Tick as well :(
 Wet and in the clouds most of the time.
 Comments  most welcome
 www.eftel.com.au/~james_bradford/peso.htm

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Re: Who wants to see a clue as to next Pentax DSLRs ?

2009-04-14 Thread frank theriault
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 11:44 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:
 Blurry photo. Just like all the flying saucers shots I see.:-)

Funny how it's always a photo of a New Product or Prototype that
~someone else~ took, never the person posting...

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Re: GESO - Easter photos

2009-04-14 Thread Scott Loveless
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Cory Waters cbwat...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 Was this inspired by my Facebook post?  Looking at that last photo, I'm
 compelled to ask: Are you gonna eat that?

Yes, it was, and yes, we did.

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Re: regards PESO 2009 - 052 ...

2009-04-14 Thread Bob Sullivan
Bill,

I don't like the praise only critiques (circle jerks).  And I wouldn't
stop the friendly sorts of critiques we do here.  But think about your
work life.  Feedback and critiques are the most difficult and most
angst inducing aspect of the workplace.  Giving them to people, face
to face, is often subject to mis-interpretation.  Doing them via email
without any face to face interaction is worse.

Once upon a time, Shel B. leveled somebody here with a professional
quality critique.  It wasn't mean spirited.  It was solicited.  But it
had nasty negative elements to it.  Traffic stopped and you could hear
everybody on the list take a deep breath as they tried to tip-toe
around the turd that had landed in their mailbox.  That was the 1st
and LAST fully open and honest critique on this list.  And I don't
think you want to go back there.  It would kill the pdml.

I don't comment on every photo.  I don't comment on every photo I
like.  Sometimes I say vacuous things like 'nice photo' because I do
like the photo and want the author to know I looked and agree it's a
good shot.  Occasionally, I see something unusual or interesting, or
moving and take time for an extra line or two of comment.  These
critiques work for me.

Regards,  Bob S.

On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 12:19 AM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote:

 - Original Message - From: Bob Sullivan
 Subject: Re: regards PESO 2009 - 052 ...


 I agree with Paul.
 There are other forums for critique of photos.
 Some folks want frequent and rich feedback, plus more critique.
 Perhaps they have outgrown this forum.

 I'm going to be the disagreeable one, and here's why:
 Because I'm a jerk.
 But, besides that, there is an incredible body of talent on this forum, and
 to be honest, I think if all we say is nice things about each other's
 pictures, then some of that talent is being wasted.
 Look at the evolution of this list over the past decade. Ten years ago, we
 talked about lenses, and cameras and film and processing.

 Now, a new piece of equipment gets introduced, and it barely gets noticed.
 We talk more about software than lenses.

 But boy oh boy, since everyone went digital and got high speed internet, we
 sure do show each other pictures.
 Lots of pictures.
 Peso used to mean picture every so often, now it is an acronym for another
 link to click on, whether the person posted 5 pictures yesterday or not.
 Lots of pictures. Lots of good pictures too.
 Now, one can probably presume that a person who takes good pictures has
 learned how to not take bad ones.
 At least to rise above it all every now and again, anyway.
 So, why not pass on that knowledge and tell a person that a picture has some
 suckiness to it, and had they done something differenty, it might have been
 improved.
 It won't help the picture in question, but it might give the photographer
 something to think about.
 Unfortunately, if there is a chill regarding honest and tough critiques,
 then the whole process risks turning into a circle jerk.
 Now, there is that school of thought that says that the I would have done
 this instead does no good. The picture is what it is, so comment on what it
 is, not what it could be.
 The critique then becomes the official opposition, that band of losers who
 bitch and whine, but don't come up with any credible ideas of their own.
 Think the Federal NDP with a Pentax.
 What an awful thing to think about.
 Or, it turns into a circle jerk because no one risks saying anything
 negative.

 So, go to a forum that specializes in mean spirited critiques you say.
 All very well and good, but when I put a picture up, I want the people
 critiquing it people whose work I've seen so I know where they are coming
 from visually, and who I've interacted with over time so I have an idea of
 what they know and how they view the world.
 I think the email format of this forum works better for critiques than does
 the web page based forums.

 OTOH, I have seen some very heated discussions result from something said in
 an honest, but less than positive critique.

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Re: VESO - Spring Garden

2009-04-14 Thread frank theriault
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote:
 Taking a liberty here ;)

 Sunny day, an hour free, the garden beckons. Amazing what you can see
 from just a few square feet of space.

I'm so sick of winter even dandelions look good to me!

Nice stuff, Cotty...

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Re: PESO - The Greasy Spoon

2009-04-14 Thread Bob Sullivan
Frank,
I hadn't even noticed the 'beer'.
My attention was drawn to the head of the first guy with the hat,
bulging at the back, and old guy glasses.
I think I've seen him before in diners and small towns.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:13 AM, frank theriault
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 On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
 Frank,
 I see old guys at the counter, wearing their coats while Xmas tree
 lights are still hang above the center island.  It does evoke a mood.

 Yeah, and it was taken on Saturday morning...

 It's been a bit coolish around here for early April, which explains
 the coats, however I suspect that those Christmas lights are a
 permanent fixture there.

 ;-)

 This place certainly had a mood to it - for me that mood is evoked
 as much by the beer on the counter (at about 10am) as anything else.
 Great fries, though!

 Thanks for looking and commenting.

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Re: regards PESO 2009 - 052 ...

2009-04-14 Thread frank theriault
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
snip
 Once upon a time, Shel B. leveled somebody here with a professional
 quality critique.  It wasn't mean spirited.  It was solicited.  But it
 had nasty negative elements to it.  Traffic stopped and you could hear
 everybody on the list take a deep breath as they tried to tip-toe
 around the turd that had landed in their mailbox.  That was the 1st
 and LAST fully open and honest critique on this list.  And I don't
 think you want to go back there.  It would kill the pdml.
snip

I disagree, Bob.  I remember Shel's critique and no matter what his
intentions were, it came across as mean-spirited and nasty.  Yes the
photo was rather banal and boring, but I recall Shel asking why he
would even post such a photo on the list.  That's goes beyond helpful
feedback and well into the realm of hurtful.

One can be open and honest without that sort of thing.

And while I can't point to specifics, there have been plenty of fully
open and honest critiques on this list, both before and since Shel's
little diatribe.

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Re: PESO: London Eye

2009-04-14 Thread Timbah!

Christian wrote:

Timbah! wrote:

Cheers list,

http://www.flickr.com/photos/timbah/3438980966/

Lens used: Carl Zeiss Flektogon f4/50 (Zebra version - so at least 40 
years old :D)


I know a little noise removal and framing is missing, but keep in 
mind that I use Lightroom only :D


Love the high-key look.  Zebra version?  Is there a leopard version as 
well? :-)



The Zebra version refers to the post war lens made before 1969, because 
of their chrome-black 'painting' looking like the zebra's stripes. After 
1969 CZJ made only MC lenses that were totally black. I am a big fan of 
Zebra CZJs and hope to collect as many I just can :D


Cheers,
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New Firmware - better SR

2009-04-14 Thread Timbah!

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0904/09041403pentaxk20dfirmware.asp

Haven't tried yet, but probably will flash it today :D

Regards,
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Re: PESO and GESO - Norah Head Lighthouse

2009-04-14 Thread Bruce Dayton
Wonderful silhouette.  More drama in the sky would improve it, but
you'd need to use a Canon to be able to order that grin.

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Sunday, April 12, 2009, 6:17:57 AM, you wrote:

BW G'day all,

BW Recently my wife and I spent a few days with friends at the Norah Head
BW lighthouse,
BW staying in the old Keeper's cottage. Lighthouses are such appealing
BW subjects for photography, so here's a PESO:

BW http://www.blognow.com.au/PESO/133094/The_Lighthouse.html


BW and here's a few more shots from the weekend:

BW http://supera.jalbum.net/Norah_Head/index.html


BW Comments and suggestions, as always, gratefully received.


BW Cheers

BW Brian

BW ++
BW Brian Walters
BW Western Sydney Australia
BW http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/
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Re: New Firmware - better SR

2009-04-14 Thread Charles Robinson

On Apr 14, 2009, at 11:53, Timbah! wrote:


http://www.dpreview.com/news/0904/09041403pentaxk20dfirmware.asp

Haven't tried yet, but probably will flash it today :D



Welcome to the Roman's Breaking News club!

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OT: Tamron 70-200 f2.8 'review' with samples

2009-04-14 Thread Timbah!

Hi List!

A friend of mine bought this lens and wrote a nice 'review' with some 
pictures.


The whole review is in hungarian so here's a summary for you:
- The lens is cheaper, lighter and smaller than the other 70-200 f2.8 ones
- Sharp, sharp and sharp :) He says at f2.8 is sharp, f4 very sharp and 
f5.6 is dangerously sharp :D
- Uses full Leica frame, but no Aperture ring - on film machines needs 
MZ like
- Bokeh is nice, it has a circle like aperture. But not as nice as 105mm 
Sigma.

- CA is well controlled
- Macro is 1:3

- AF is slow and noisy. Uses body screwdriver :) Quite similar to the 
70-300's in speed and noise.

- Hunts in low light, so for theatre shots you want to use MF :D
- No AF limiter, so it goes from minimum to inifinity all the time when 
it can't find the correct spot
- AF - MF switch is 'shotgun like' and it's easy to turn a little 
between changing the two modes.


For the review (including pictures) see:
http://blog.csorge.hu/index.php/archive/a-nagyagyu-tamron-sp-70-200

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Re: regards PESO 2009 - 052 ...

2009-04-14 Thread Bruce Dayton
This is a very interesting subject.  I suspect many of us have
different feelings about it.  I'll lay out some of my thoughts.

I am not a big fan of 'me too' type of responses - it does give a
warm fuzzy for the photographer but not much beyond that.  However, a
critique or at least some thought out drivel takes time.  So if the
volume of photos is high, that can be difficult.  This is one reason
I struggle with saying much of anything about a GESO, there are too
many pics to spend time writing about.  So, time becomes one element
that is impacting.

Another issue is the level of the photographer.  We, on the list, are
at different levels of photography along with different genres, alone
with different goals and aspirations.  So with this in mind, the
critique should take into account who the photographer is and provide
meaningful input for them.  That means that the critiquer needs to
know the critiquee and be somewhat familiar with their work.  That
becomes another element of impact.

Enough blathering from me for the moment...

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Monday, April 13, 2009, 6:48:49 PM, you wrote:

DB Ken Waller wrote:
 Well stated.
 
 I'd be very interested to hear your comments about critiques made on 
 this forum - off line if you prefer.

DB I'd be interested in this discussion.

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Re: Bill Owens

2009-04-14 Thread Bruce Dayton
Glad to hear that you are back home.  Rest well and best wishes for a
speedy recovery.

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Monday, April 13, 2009, 12:22:59 PM, you wrote:

BO Thanks folks.  I'm back home and recuperating slowly.  We still hope
BO to meet at GFM, even if just for the day on Saturday.

BO Bill

BO On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 2:39 PM, frank theriault
BO knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 12:33 AM, Doug Brewer d...@alphoto.com wrote:
 It is my understanding that our Bill Owens has been hospitalized. I know
 you'll join me in hoping for a speedy recovery.

 Indeed!

 Get well quickly, Bill.  We're all pulling for you.

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Re: PESO: London Eye

2009-04-14 Thread Bruce Dayton
A different take on the 'Eye' - something that I've not seen.  Points
for originality.  Also the high contrast treatment works pretty well
- gets rid of any issues with the sky.  Well done.

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T Cheers list,

T http://www.flickr.com/photos/timbah/3438980966/

T Lens used: Carl Zeiss Flektogon f4/50 (Zebra version - so at least 40 
T years old :D)

T I know a little noise removal and framing is missing, but keep in mind
T that I use Lightroom only :D

T Regards,
T .timber

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Re: PESO - South Park

2009-04-14 Thread Bruce Dayton
This one just doesn't grab me.  The people are too shadowed to provide
any interest.  There would need to be some better interaction.  The
rest of the shot is too empty.

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Monday, April 13, 2009, 2:49:41 PM, you wrote:


RW On my way home from work last week; flowering trees and the
RW spires of Oxford in the background made a nice scene.  I only wish
RW I had put the polarizing filter on...

RW http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=8945622size=lg

RW (K10D and FA 50/1.7)

RW Rick




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How to test a 16-50

2009-04-14 Thread Toine
Since prices are going up I'm warming up for a 16-50. Would it be
possible to do some quick tests in the shop to check if it's ok? What
do I look for? Would a quick test of a wall at f/2.8 and maybe 2-3
meters distance reveal a lemon?

Toine

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Re: Pentax K to Canon Eos adapter - any good?

2009-04-14 Thread Pasvorn Boonmark
Godfrey,

Thanks.  I always wondering why the Fotodiox adaptor rotated lens like that.

-Pasvorn

On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 8:17 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@mac.com wrote:

 The only caveat with Pentax K to FourThirds adaptation is that *some* Pentax
 lenses have protrusions out the back which can damage the FourThirds
 body-lens contacts. For this reason, good Pentax K to FourThirds adapters
 rotate the lens about 30 degrees clockwise, when looking at the body from
 the front. Also, DA series lenses (without an aperture ring) are difficult
 to use on FourThirds bodies since the iris actuator allows the lens to close
 down all the way by default, and there is no easy way to set the aperture
 when in use.

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Re: PESO - Symmetry

2009-04-14 Thread frank theriault
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 6:36 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:
 Another great street scape of TO Frank.
 Perfect title as well.

 Viewfinder or hip. If its hip, how are you doing the prefocus.??

Sorry I took so long to answer this one, Dave.

This one was through the viewfinder.

These days when I'm shooting from the hip it tends to be with an
autofocus lens, so prefocusing isn't necessary.

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Re: regards PESO 2009 - 052 ...

2009-04-14 Thread John Francis

It's also sometimes a matter of individual style.
There are some excellent photographers on the list who I
am extremely unlikely to critique simply because their eye
and mine are so different (Godfrey and Frank, for example).
Nor am I likely to comment on any of Paul's pictures of Grace.


On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:38:51AM -0700, Bruce Dayton wrote:
 This is a very interesting subject.  I suspect many of us have
 different feelings about it.  I'll lay out some of my thoughts.
 
 I am not a big fan of 'me too' type of responses - it does give a
 warm fuzzy for the photographer but not much beyond that.  However, a
 critique or at least some thought out drivel takes time.  So if the
 volume of photos is high, that can be difficult.  This is one reason
 I struggle with saying much of anything about a GESO, there are too
 many pics to spend time writing about.  So, time becomes one element
 that is impacting.
 
 Another issue is the level of the photographer.  We, on the list, are
 at different levels of photography along with different genres, alone
 with different goals and aspirations.  So with this in mind, the
 critique should take into account who the photographer is and provide
 meaningful input for them.  That means that the critiquer needs to
 know the critiquee and be somewhat familiar with their work.  That
 becomes another element of impact.
 
 Enough blathering from me for the moment...
 
 -- 
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 Monday, April 13, 2009, 6:48:49 PM, you wrote:
 
 DB Ken Waller wrote:
  Well stated.
  
  I'd be very interested to hear your comments about critiques made on 
  this forum - off line if you prefer.
 
 DB I'd be interested in this discussion.
 
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Re: PESO - The Accordion as a Social Tool

2009-04-14 Thread frank theriault
On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 1:10 PM,  eactiv...@aol.com wrote:

 Nice shot. Although I  doubt he picks up girls playing the accordion --
 too heavy to lug around,  it would slow him down too much.

Hey, when you play an accordion, the girls come to you...

(at least they seem to in this young man's case)

;-)

Thanks for the comment and thanks to everyone else who commented.

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Re: regards PESO 2009 - 052 ...

2009-04-14 Thread Jack Davis

In this general vein, and without venturing too far into the emotional 
minefield, a couple thoughts.
When voting on PPG offerings, for example, there are many efforts that are so 
close to a yes, but for some obvious easily corrected flaw. It's frustrating 
not to be able to mention it to the photog. These are worthy images from which 
the shooter should benefit, but are shot down without their owner ever knowing 
why. Kinda' sad.
IOW, I won't suggest a specific change unless I feel the changes
would result in substantial image improvement..by my artistic standards. ;))
General positive comments regarding basic rule compliance and those 
acknowledging obvious emotional attachments, notwithstanding.

Jack


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 Subject: Re: regards PESO 2009 - 052 ...
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 10:38 AM
 This is a very interesting subject.  I suspect many of us
 have
 different feelings about it.  I'll lay out some of my
 thoughts.
 
 I am not a big fan of 'me too' type of responses -
 it does give a
 warm fuzzy for the photographer but not much beyond that. 
 However, a
 critique or at least some thought out drivel takes time. 
 So if the
 volume of photos is high, that can be difficult.  This is
 one reason
 I struggle with saying much of anything about a GESO, there
 are too
 many pics to spend time writing about.  So, time becomes
 one element
 that is impacting.
 
 Another issue is the level of the photographer.  We, on the
 list, are
 at different levels of photography along with different
 genres, alone
 with different goals and aspirations.  So with this in
 mind, the
 critique should take into account who the photographer is
 and provide
 meaningful input for them.  That means that the critiquer
 needs to
 know the critiquee and be somewhat familiar with their
 work.  That
 becomes another element of impact.
 
 Enough blathering from me for the moment...
 
 -- 
 Bruce
 
 
 Monday, April 13, 2009, 6:48:49 PM, you wrote:
 
 DB Ken Waller wrote:
  Well stated.
  
  I'd be very interested to hear your comments
 about critiques made on 
  this forum - off line if you prefer.
 
 DB I'd be interested in this discussion.
 
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Re: PESO - The Accordion as a Social Tool

2009-04-14 Thread Mark Roberts

frank theriault wrote:

On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 1:10 PM,  eactiv...@aol.com wrote:


Nice shot. Although I  doubt he picks up girls playing the accordion --
too heavy to lug around,  it would slow him down too much.


Hey, when you play an accordion, the girls come to you...


Yeah, but they're girls who like *accordion music* (shudder)!
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