Re: EVFs ...

2009-05-13 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi


On May 12, 2009, at 8:12 PM, Graydon wrote:


... I hate them with a mad inhuman passion. ...


My apologies. I thought I was having a discussion with a sane human  
being.


Godfrey


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Re: Netbook doubles as an imagetank

2009-05-13 Thread Toine
LR 2.3 runs snappy on the little machine. In the next days I will
import (all) my PEF files from the desktop to see if and when it
crashes.
Tagging and sorting should be no problem. The screen and  LED
backlight isn't good enough for serious editing or calibrating. Only
problem I noticed is the small screen, with 1024x600 some dialog boxes
like import don't fit properly. The OK button is out of reach
(pressing enter works). Running LR on a small screen is surprisingly
functional. Just press F to run it fullscreen and collapse several
panels.
For trips I plan to drop a small external USB drive in the bag for
daily backup of the photos.

Toine

2009/5/13 Tim Øsleby maritim...@gmail.com:
 That,s definitely an interesting idea. What version of LR?

 And have you imported a serious amount of files to it?
 If you have. How does it perform? Good enough for tagging and sorting
 pictures in the field?

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 2009/5/12 Toine to...@repiuk.nl:
 Enabled myself with a MSI Wind netbook, runs 5-6 hours on a
 batterycharge, has an SDHC card slot, 160 Gb disc and enough power to
 run Lightroom. Small enough to fit in a normal photobag (10), about 1
 kg and half the price of a 100 Gb imagetank (300 euros)!

 Toine


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Re: EVFs ...

2009-05-13 Thread Jos from Holland
Wrong argument Godfrey, with such low lighting ratios, the contrast of 
the scene is dominantly determined by the white to black ratio of the 
subject, this will be a lot higher otherwise it would result in a very 
dull picture, it can be higher than even the human eye can cover.


Did I understand well, that the ease of manual focussing is not because 
the view finder is so super bright or clear etc, but more because of the 
strong focusing aid? I can immagen that that could be a basic advantage 
of a electronic view finder system over a pure optical system. As the 
effectiveness of optical systems depend very much on aperture and focal 
length of the lens

Greetz, Jos

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
BTW, you're worried about 250:1 lighting ratios? When doing color 
portraiture, you normally work with lighting ratios in the 3:1 
average, 6:1 for BW. I don't see how that kind of extreme lighting 
ratio is of any real interest at all.


Godfrey



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PESO Lake Michigan Waves

2009-05-13 Thread Christine Aguila

Hi Everyone:

I believe this is my 1st wave shoot.  I probably shot about 90 pics, but 
this was the best of the bunch.  The others weren't very interesting mainly 
because I didn't time the shots right or the wave didn't turn out as 
dramatic as I thought it might or the composition was uninteresting. 
Getting all of the aforementioned just right at the same time was hard.


Birds were everywhere as well--so I cleaned up the sky quite a bit--lots of 
blurry black spots polluting that drab looking sky :-).


I found shooting waves quite a challenge. I tried to use all my senses to 
anticipate where the big splashes might be but it often didn't work out.  I 
tried to rely on hearing, but it seemed the louder and incoming wave was the 
less interesting was the splash when it hit the shore :-).  If anyone has 
any tips, I'd be grateful.  I probably should try this again with an ND 
filter, no?  Also, I'd be interested in knowing which crop you prefer--I've 
cropped the jogger out of the 2nd pic.


Anyway, comments/critique welcome--I could use some help in shooting this 
subject.


http://faculty.ccc.edu/caguila/waves/index.html

Cheers, Christine 




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Re: PESO - Alex Rides!

2009-05-13 Thread mike wilson

 Christian christ...@skofteland.net wrote: 
  http://mondociclismo.blogspot.com/2009/05/first-place-to-aryeh.html
 
 Funny, my friend Jim has a Cervello and sent me that link before I 
 checked my mail here.  Obviously he is following your blog.  I really 
 like the traditional geometry and lugged steel of the Colnago Master 
 X-lite.  No  offense but I hate the sloping top tube of the Cervellos

Me too.  They make carrying sacks of coal deuced difficult.

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Re: Pentax and GFM

2009-05-13 Thread mike wilson

 Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: 
 On 12/5/09, Doug Brewer, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
 Actually, there will be opportunity to examine the cameras (yes, plural)
 throughout the weekend, and maybe some other stuff to
 examine/test/fondle. Warm up those SD cards, boys. Daddy's got the goods.
 
 Thanks go out to the good folks at Pentax Marketing (and the folks in
 Bean Counting as well) for the respect shown to the PDML community as
 well as the GFM Team by agreeing to attend.
 
 This should be interesting.
 
 Cotty's doin a Pentax porno

Huge amounts of squeaking, groaning and panting but no money shot?

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Re: OT PESO - Dales Gorge

2009-05-13 Thread Toine
Yes, Beautiful. Must look great hanging on a high wall (or door).

Toine

2009/5/13 David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com:
 G'day All,

 Yet another from my Pilbra trip:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/3524804483/

 Direct link (~230kb)

 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3620/3524804483_ed943eeb19_o.jpg

 4 frames processed in LR  stitched in PTGui.

 The web version doesn't do the original justice.

 Enjoy.

 Cheers,

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Re: PESO Lake Michigan Waves

2009-05-13 Thread mike wilson
Joking aside, I think you need to get closer.
 Christine  Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net wrote: 
 Hi Everyone:
 
 I believe this is my 1st wave shoot.  I probably shot about 90 pics, but 
 this was the best of the bunch.  The others weren't very interesting mainly 
 because I didn't time the shots right or the wave didn't turn out as 
 dramatic as I thought it might or the composition was uninteresting. 
 Getting all of the aforementioned just right at the same time was hard.
 
 Birds were everywhere as well--so I cleaned up the sky quite a bit--lots of 
 blurry black spots polluting that drab looking sky :-).
 
 I found shooting waves quite a challenge. I tried to use all my senses to 
 anticipate where the big splashes might be but it often didn't work out.  I 
 tried to rely on hearing, but it seemed the louder and incoming wave was the 
 less interesting was the splash when it hit the shore :-).  If anyone has 
 any tips, I'd be grateful.  I probably should try this again with an ND 
 filter, no?  Also, I'd be interested in knowing which crop you prefer--I've 
 cropped the jogger out of the 2nd pic.
 
 Anyway, comments/critique welcome--I could use some help in shooting this 
 subject.
 
 http://faculty.ccc.edu/caguila/waves/index.html
 
 Cheers, Christine 
 
 
 
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Re: Pentax and GFM

2009-05-13 Thread Derby Chang

Cotty wrote:

On 12/5/09, Doug Brewer, discombobulated, unleashed:

  

Actually, there will be opportunity to examine the cameras (yes, plural)
throughout the weekend, and maybe some other stuff to
examine/test/fondle. Warm up those SD cards, boys. Daddy's got the goods.

Thanks go out to the good folks at Pentax Marketing (and the folks in
Bean Counting as well) for the respect shown to the PDML community as
well as the GFM Team by agreeing to attend.

This should be interesting.



Cotty's doin a Pentax porno

  



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Re: OT PESO - Dales Gorge

2009-05-13 Thread Derby Chang

David Savage wrote:

G'day All,

Yet another from my Pilbra trip:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/3524804483/

Direct link (~230kb)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3620/3524804483_ed943eeb19_o.jpg

4 frames processed in LR  stitched in PTGui.

The web version doesn't do the original justice.

Enjoy.

Cheers,

Dave

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Re: A Pentax 16-50mm F2.8 DA* a little sad story

2009-05-13 Thread Angel Ramos

Good news!
I got a confirmation email from Pentax.  The lens will be fixed under 
warranty as I expected.  It seems there was a defect on it.  I will 
update when I receive it with information on what was the real problem.

Angel

Angel Ramos wrote:
Hopefully,  you know Murphy's Law is always around.  I have a trip to 
San Francisco,CA on May 9th, if it is not canceled by Personnel.  I 
was planning to use it there. -Angel


Luiz Felipe wrote:

Hope it gets fixed soon, Angel.

LF

Angel Ramos escreveu:
Well mine has bite the dust, at least while its been fixed by 
Pentax  It
does not  go below 20mm focal length.  I noticed it after using it 
at an

outdoor photo shoot.  I was going to use the lens in the studio when I
found the problem.  I could hear a rattle inside like coming from a
bearing, a crew or a nut,  and whatever it is it can not be seen.  I 
did

not try to force to go to 16mm.  The lens is off warranty but I hope
they found the problem is related to a factory defect and fix it.  I 
have not dropped it or banged it, just normal perfect use. I hope is 
only that part loose around and that there is no additional damage.  
The lens focuses and works ok except for the problem described.  I 
will update when I get it back.


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Re: New K body coming... official !

2009-05-13 Thread Frits Wüthrich

Thibouille wrote:

There are now teasers and /or countdown timers on multiple official
Pentax websites including:
http://www.pentax.jp/japan/index.php
http://www.pentax.es/home.htm

Pentax Europe (Germany) is even looking for people (10 max) for
spreading the word on the net (youtube, forums etc.):
http://www.pentax.de/de/news/1160/foto_news.php


  

I read on the Dutch Pentax web site
http://www.pentax.nl/nl/photo/news/71/
there is a new X70 camera, combining a SLR with teh comfort of a 
compactcamera (point and shoot) and the functions of a video camera. The 
X in X70 stands for crossover.


Frits

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Re: Netbook doubles as an imagetank

2009-05-13 Thread Tim Øsleby
A few days ago I tried a test version LR 2.3 at a notebook I borrowed.
With about 100 files it was snappy. Faster than my 1.4 installation at
my regular box. But after importing a few more it slowed down
considerably.
So I would appreciate it if you reported back after some more use.

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2009/5/13 Toine to...@repiuk.nl:
 LR 2.3 runs snappy on the little machine. In the next days I will
 import (all) my PEF files from the desktop to see if and when it
 crashes.
 Tagging and sorting should be no problem. The screen and  LED
 backlight isn't good enough for serious editing or calibrating. Only
 problem I noticed is the small screen, with 1024x600 some dialog boxes
 like import don't fit properly. The OK button is out of reach
 (pressing enter works). Running LR on a small screen is surprisingly
 functional. Just press F to run it fullscreen and collapse several
 panels.
 For trips I plan to drop a small external USB drive in the bag for
 daily backup of the photos.

 Toine

 2009/5/13 Tim Øsleby maritim...@gmail.com:
 That,s definitely an interesting idea. What version of LR?

 And have you imported a serious amount of files to it?
 If you have. How does it perform? Good enough for tagging and sorting
 pictures in the field?

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Re: New K body coming... official !

2009-05-13 Thread David Savage
2009/5/9 William Robb war...@gmail.com:

 - Original Message -
 From: Mark Roberts
  Subject: Re: New K body coming... official !





 I'm looking forward to the annual Running of the Seals through the
 streets of Ottawa.

 They are importing talent for it this year:
 http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/cartoon1.jpg

Oleh!

DS

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Re: OT PESO - Dales Gorge

2009-05-13 Thread David Savage
2009/5/13 Derby Chang der...@iinet.net.au:
 David Savage wrote:

 G'day All,

 Yet another from my Pilbra trip:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/3524804483/

 Direct link (~230kb)

 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3620/3524804483_ed943eeb19_o.jpg

 4 frames processed in LR  stitched in PTGui.

 The web version doesn't do the original justice.

 Enjoy.

 Cheers,

 Dave

 --

 Certainly doesn't. Any chance of getting a bigger version? Can tell this
 one's spectacular scenery as well

Your wish...(~3MB):

http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/D700/0111_lrg.jpg

Not quite full size.

Cheers,

Dave

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Re: PESO Lake Michigan Waves

2009-05-13 Thread paul stenquist

Pretty scene. Nice light and good timing.
I'd like to see you try something more dramatic. Perhaps get in  
tighter of use a longer lens, so the closest breaking wave fills more  
than half the frame and overflows it in places.

Paul
On May 13, 2009, at 2:50 AM, Christine Aguila wrote:


Hi Everyone:

I believe this is my 1st wave shoot.  I probably shot about 90 pics,  
but this was the best of the bunch.  The others weren't very  
interesting mainly because I didn't time the shots right or the wave  
didn't turn out as dramatic as I thought it might or the composition  
was uninteresting. Getting all of the aforementioned just right at  
the same time was hard.


Birds were everywhere as well--so I cleaned up the sky quite a bit-- 
lots of blurry black spots polluting that drab looking sky :-).


I found shooting waves quite a challenge. I tried to use all my  
senses to anticipate where the big splashes might be but it often  
didn't work out.  I tried to rely on hearing, but it seemed the  
louder and incoming wave was the less interesting was the splash  
when it hit the shore :-).  If anyone has any tips, I'd be  
grateful.  I probably should try this again with an ND filter, no?   
Also, I'd be interested in knowing which crop you prefer--I've  
cropped the jogger out of the 2nd pic.


Anyway, comments/critique welcome--I could use some help in shooting  
this subject.


http://faculty.ccc.edu/caguila/waves/index.html

Cheers, Christine


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Wedding Photographer

2009-05-13 Thread Christian

http://lynchburg.craigslist.org/bfs/1126049517.html

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Re: PESO Lake Michigan Waves

2009-05-13 Thread David Savage
Nothing wrong with those.

My only suggestion would be to go for a square crop. The LH side adds
nothing to the shot IMHO.

If you ever make it down to this remote outpost of humanity I'll take
you to some places that have awesome waves :-)

DS

2009/5/13 Christine  Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net:
 Hi Everyone:

 I believe this is my 1st wave shoot.  I probably shot about 90 pics, but
 this was the best of the bunch.  The others weren't very interesting mainly
 because I didn't time the shots right or the wave didn't turn out as
 dramatic as I thought it might or the composition was uninteresting. Getting
 all of the aforementioned just right at the same time was hard.

 Birds were everywhere as well--so I cleaned up the sky quite a bit--lots of
 blurry black spots polluting that drab looking sky :-).

 I found shooting waves quite a challenge. I tried to use all my senses to
 anticipate where the big splashes might be but it often didn't work out.  I
 tried to rely on hearing, but it seemed the louder and incoming wave was the
 less interesting was the splash when it hit the shore :-).  If anyone has
 any tips, I'd be grateful.  I probably should try this again with an ND
 filter, no?  Also, I'd be interested in knowing which crop you prefer--I've
 cropped the jogger out of the 2nd pic.

 Anyway, comments/critique welcome--I could use some help in shooting this
 subject.

 http://faculty.ccc.edu/caguila/waves/index.html

 Cheers, Christine

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Re: Wedding Photographer

2009-05-13 Thread Derby Chang

Christian wrote:

http://lynchburg.craigslist.org/bfs/1126049517.html




I own a camera therefore I can take photos like the pros, who charge 
alot more.


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Re: OT PESO - Dales Gorge

2009-05-13 Thread Derby Chang

David Savage wrote:

2009/5/13 Derby Chang der...@iinet.net.au:
  

David Savage wrote:


G'day All,

Yet another from my Pilbra trip:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/3524804483/

Direct link (~230kb)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3620/3524804483_ed943eeb19_o.jpg

4 frames processed in LR  stitched in PTGui.

The web version doesn't do the original justice.

Enjoy.

Cheers,

Dave

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Certainly doesn't. Any chance of getting a bigger version? Can tell this
one's spectacular scenery as well



Your wish...(~3MB):

http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/D700/0111_lrg.jpg

Not quite full size.

Cheers,

Dave

  



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Re: Wedding Photographer

2009-05-13 Thread David Savage
ROTFLMAO.

DS

2009/5/13 Christian christ...@skofteland.net:
 http://lynchburg.craigslist.org/bfs/1126049517.html

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Re: Sample Image - A70-210 on digital was RE: DA* 60-250 at BH

2009-05-13 Thread James
Look at the first image here.

www.eftel.net.au/~james_bradford/peso.htm

taken with an A70/210 at F32 on macro setting with a K10D, no flash.
That lens has been pulled apart and fungus cleaned off. (not by me)

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Re: Wedding Photographer

2009-05-13 Thread Doug Brewer

Christian wrote:

http://lynchburg.craigslist.org/bfs/1126049517.html



that's freaking awesome

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Re: PESO Lake Michigan Waves

2009-05-13 Thread Jack Davis

Very nice timing, Christine. I believe I prefer the composition of the one 
including the second jogger. Not because of the jogger, but because you don't 
need that much left side.
Overall wave action is great and grabbing two crashing waves with the jogger in 
between makes it special.

Jack


--- On Tue, 5/12/09, Christine Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net wrote:

 From: Christine Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net
 Subject: PESO Lake Michigan Waves
 To: pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2009, 11:50 PM
 Hi Everyone:
 
 I believe this is my 1st wave shoot.  I probably shot
 about 90 pics, but this was the best of the bunch.  The
 others weren't very interesting mainly because I didn't time
 the shots right or the wave didn't turn out as dramatic as I
 thought it might or the composition was uninteresting.
 Getting all of the aforementioned just right at the same
 time was hard.
 
 Birds were everywhere as well--so I cleaned up the sky
 quite a bit--lots of blurry black spots polluting that drab
 looking sky :-).
 
 I found shooting waves quite a challenge. I tried to use
 all my senses to anticipate where the big splashes might be
 but it often didn't work out.  I tried to rely on
 hearing, but it seemed the louder and incoming wave was the
 less interesting was the splash when it hit the shore
 :-).  If anyone has any tips, I'd be grateful.  I
 probably should try this again with an ND filter, no? 
 Also, I'd be interested in knowing which crop you
 prefer--I've cropped the jogger out of the 2nd pic.
 
 Anyway, comments/critique welcome--I could use some help in
 shooting this subject.
 
 http://faculty.ccc.edu/caguila/waves/index.html
 
 Cheers, Christine 
 
 
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Re: Some snaps

2009-05-13 Thread Doug Brewer
Always a pleasure seeing your work, Bob. That last one is a classic. 
Congrats.


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Re: Wedding Photographer

2009-05-13 Thread Doug Franklin

Christian wrote:

http://lynchburg.craigslist.org/bfs/1126049517.html


I think we should all vote for it as a Best of Craigslist entry.  I'm 
sure that his wit will be wasted on some people, and he'll actually get 
queries. :-)


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Re: New K body coming... official !

2009-05-13 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 11:49:57AM +0200, Frits Wüthrich wrote:
 I read on the Dutch Pentax web site
 http://www.pentax.nl/nl/photo/news/71/
 there is a new X70 camera, combining a SLR with teh comfort of a 
 compactcamera (point and shoot) and the functions of a video camera. The X 
 in X70 stands for crossover.

Think this one isn't very exciting. It's a small-sensor super-zoom PS
camera that I don't think Pentax even designed themselves -- it's
suspiciously like the Nikon Coolpix P90. I think both companies said we
need to hit this market niche and contracted out someone to make something
to put their name on.


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Re: Wedding Photographer

2009-05-13 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 07:21:47AM -0400, Christian wrote:
 http://lynchburg.craigslist.org/bfs/1126049517.html

Wow, that's priceless. The I own a camera therefore I can take photos like
the pros, who charge alot more line reveals it as definitely a fake, but
it's still funny.

I think my favorite is I add glow and selective color to all of my images,
giving them the best look possible.



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PESO - Simple Pleasure

2009-05-13 Thread frank theriault
Nothing compares to the simple pleasure of riding a bicycle. -- John
F. Kennedy

http://mondociclismo.blogspot.com/2009/05/simple-pleasure.html

Scroll down and click on the pic to make it bigger.

Comments welcome.

cheers,
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Re: OT PESO - Dales Gorge

2009-05-13 Thread mike wilson

 David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com wrote: 
 Your wish...(~3MB):
 
 http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/D700/0111_lrg.jpg
 
 Not quite full size.

The top half (rocks, not trees) seems to be out of focus.  Is that deliberate?

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RE: Sample Image - A70-210 on digital was RE: DA* 60-250 at BH

2009-05-13 Thread JC OConnell
I can see using f32 for macro dof issues, but the lens is
sharper in the f8-f11 range

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Subject: Re: Sample Image - A70-210 on digital was RE: DA* 60-250 at BH


Look at the first image here.

www.eftel.net.au/~james_bradford/peso.htm

taken with an A70/210 at F32 on macro setting with a K10D, no flash.
That lens has been pulled apart and fungus cleaned off. (not by me)

James



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Re: PESO - Simple Pleasure

2009-05-13 Thread mike wilson

 frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: 
 Nothing compares to the simple pleasure of riding a bicycle. -- John
 F. Kennedy
 
 http://mondociclismo.blogspot.com/2009/05/simple-pleasure.html
 
 Scroll down and click on the pic to make it bigger.

They look like they don't have to share with their brother, either.

Blur, bicycle and BW - classic Frank.

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Re: EVFs ...

2009-05-13 Thread Luiz Felipe
Boris, I have a little more 645 experience and agree about the finder. 
Also still use 35mm cameras, mostly the Mx and have used the Lx since 
early 1982. I think those are among the better optical finders. Ever. 
Yes, did try F2, F3, owned and used F1n. Make mine optical.


While I'm still to test the G1, I never found any EVF so far that would 
hold a candle to the above. I understand the G1 has some marvel finder - 
but to this day there is no better finder than a good quality, top end 
SLR. Losing to the open rangefinder in light transmission, but offering 
the actual view of the lens, real time. Did I mention filter effect?


Focusing aids apart - I don't particularly enjoy the split/ micro 
center, find the rangefinder's window distracting, and can't comment 
those eletronic tricks to enhance the image. What I really wish is using 
my eyes to see what's beyond the lens. No lag, no artificial light 
levels, no mutated colors. Useful information sometimes - but not my 
preferred view.


LF

Boris Liberman escreveu:

Godfrey, I find your last remark (I've put '*'s around it) most
interesting. I should be alert on any opportunity to try modern EVF
system for manual focusing. Presently I doubt your assessment, but I
haven't yet witnessed any modern EVF system, only older ones. I find
Pentax 645NII viewfinder to be the best I have ever tried, but I sure
need more experience with those EVF systems. Again, you're making your
conclusion based on practical shooting en masse using all the systems
you listed. I am talking more based on general comfort of my eyes.
I've made two-digit number of shots with Pentax 645NII (20-30 or so)
and they all came out in focus, but it is too small a sample. For my
K10D I have OptiBrite Katz Eye screen and that magnifier thingie by
Pentax. Seemingly this is the best one could get for their K10D
camera. It is not bad, but it obviously it could be better. Naturally,
main problem is to tell when out of focus - in focus transition
happens...

Let all our viewfinders be bright...

Boris




On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 12:48 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@mac.com wrote:

On May 12, 2009, Scott Loveless wrote:


For me it's certainly not the case.

A high quality EVF is simply a better viewfinder for manual focusing than
any optical reflex viewfinder found on the market today.

That's the problem, isn't it?  I have yet to use a high quality EVF
that's better than most 25 year old pentaprisms.

*I find the G1's EVF provides better focusing capability than the Pentax 645 
medium format SLR viewfinder. Or my Nikon F3/Thp viewfinder, which was The Best 
35mm optical reflex viewfinder I ever used.*

Godfrey



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Re: Yet more DA lenses on film

2009-05-13 Thread Luiz Felipe



Boris Liberman escreveu:

Haven't got anything just yet, but I don't give up hope.

Derby Chang wrote:


I promised I'd send Boris a few more tests of DA lenses on film. That 
is one BORING way to spend a morning, but the results are interesting. 
The files are on their way to you via yousendit, Boris


DA14: Pretty obvious this wasn't going to be usable on film. What was 
interesting was the funky combo distortion outside of the APS-C frame. 
I'm sure my walls don't look like that, or I'll have to call a 
structural engineer


DA35 Macro: Vignetting on the corners that is marginally ok by the 
time you stop down to f8. Then at f16 and f22, the vignetting 
reappears, and sharper in the corners


DA50-200: This was a surprise. I thought it might have been usable 
part way through the zoom range. But nup. Lots of vignetting


DA10-17: Very interesting image circle at 10mm and 12mm (you'll see 
what I mean). But it probably is quite a usable fishy on film from 
14mm to 17mm. Sun came out while I was doing this lens, but I don't 
think that really matters given the effect.


Camera: PZ-1
Film: XP2
Scanner: Coolscan IV

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Re: Yet more DA lenses on film

2009-05-13 Thread Luiz Felipe

Sorry, live round this time...

Again, thanks! - I had hopes on the 50~200... Well, we really can't 
always get what we want.


Still hoping one or two of those longish zooms would cover 35mm, not too 
bad, not too expenive...


LF

Boris Liberman escreveu:

Haven't got anything just yet, but I don't give up hope.

Derby Chang wrote:


I promised I'd send Boris a few more tests of DA lenses on film. That 
is one BORING way to spend a morning, but the results are interesting. 
The files are on their way to you via yousendit, Boris


DA14: Pretty obvious this wasn't going to be usable on film. What was 
interesting was the funky combo distortion outside of the APS-C frame. 
I'm sure my walls don't look like that, or I'll have to call a 
structural engineer


DA35 Macro: Vignetting on the corners that is marginally ok by the 
time you stop down to f8. Then at f16 and f22, the vignetting 
reappears, and sharper in the corners


DA50-200: This was a surprise. I thought it might have been usable 
part way through the zoom range. But nup. Lots of vignetting


DA10-17: Very interesting image circle at 10mm and 12mm (you'll see 
what I mean). But it probably is quite a usable fishy on film from 
14mm to 17mm. Sun came out while I was doing this lens, but I don't 
think that really matters given the effect.


Camera: PZ-1
Film: XP2
Scanner: Coolscan IV

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Re: New K body coming... official !

2009-05-13 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Matthew Miller
Subject: Re: New K body coming... official !



Think this one isn't very exciting. It's a small-sensor super-zoom PS
camera that I don't think Pentax even designed themselves -- it's
suspiciously like the Nikon Coolpix P90. I think both companies said we
need to hit this market niche and contracted out someone to make something
to put their name on.



It, the Nikon and some Kodak are the same camera. I think the only physical 
difference is the Pentax doesn't have a hot shoe.

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Re: Wedding Photographer

2009-05-13 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Christian
Subject: Wedding Photographer


 http://lynchburg.craigslist.org/bfs/1126049517.html


At least he's honest about it, probably even down to being able to take 
pictures like the pros.
And think about it in relation to the divorce rate and how important wedding
pictures are a few months or years down the road.

William Robb




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Re: Pentax and GFM

2009-05-13 Thread Bob Sullivan
Bill,
Just order one.  You know what's gonna happen.
Lots of chatter on how nice the new camera is, several pictures.
Resistance is futile...
Regards,  Bob S.

On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 10:20 PM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote:

 - Original Message -
 From: Stan Halpin
 Subject: Re: Pentax and GFM


 Thank you Doug! And thank you PMS-PIC!

 On my previous trip to GFM Don loaned me his DA* 200/macro. That  kindness
 cost me a bunch of money! I am beginning to recalculate the  likely cost
 of the trip this year...


 Im not only more annoyed that I'm not coming, but at the same time a bit
 relieved, knowing how self enabling I can be.

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ot, but still pentax-related: an apology

2009-05-13 Thread Luiz Felipe

No, it's not about the joke on Boris...

I have just finished a tough project, and the last few days I simply
skimmed the PDML daily looking for specific bits that would allow me to
get the most out of my current photo gear in the photographic part of
said project. The interesting part is the best way to complete the job
is keeping 35mm cameras and some rolls of high iso film nearby. And that 
includes an old camera capable of 72 low quality shots per roll, 
something most unusual in working condition but already procured. ;-)


Special thanks for all who posted samples, experiences, ideas and even 
biased theories about the possible or impossible use of DA lenses in 
35mm. After the first and hasty question I found a large and precious 
amount of information, needed fast because I had a strict deadline to 
present my project.


I won't lie - the project I submitted will not be performed with Pentax
gear. Not because the other brand is better, but because it's cheaper
and quicker to buy the rest of the needed gadgets from the other brand.
Wich is also easier to sell after the project is completed - assuming of
course the cameras will survive a hot, dusty, isolated environment.
Possible. All needed parts are currently available here, some are 
already home.


Buying Pentax would allow me to use some items I already own, and keep
the extras at the end of the service. But that would mean yet more
tangle with BR customs, shipping rates, actual availability of the lens
- and still face the possible wear due to harsh conditions. I would not 
save something in the buying phase, and would not be selling after. 
Buying, using and than selling the other brand looks strange, but I'll 
possibly lose close to nothing as I already own the film camera and will 
not be keeping it after the job is done.


I'll be still watching for the best 35mm coverage in my new Pentax
lenses, as I'm still keeping some 35mm cameras nearby. But this job -
assuming I get the green light, there are others trying and mine is 
unusual for sure - is going to be a dark side job.


The apology?? Almost forgot... :-) I simply didn't try to keep up with 
your galleries and photos - and I'm not happy bout it. Too much stress, 
too little free time. That's changing from now on, hopefully. Your 
photos (and videos) are very important for me - for some dark time they 
helped to keep what (little, but some) sanity I have. Thanks, friends.


That's all, folks. I just felt you should know a little more about the 
quest for the 35mm lens coverage, and why I didn't comment - and watched 
- your photos as usual, lately. Do keep some fingers crossed for my 
project... :-)


LF

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Re: Netbook doubles as an imagetank

2009-05-13 Thread Paul Sorenson
Me, too.  I use an Acer w/a 120GB HD.  The optical drive would be a nice 
addition, but I just picked up a 320GB portable HD for about 70USD which 
works well for additional storage.  The Acer has two SD slots and three 
USB ports so even flash drives for additional storage are viable options.


The last wedding I did I used FastStone to do some quick and dirty 
editing.  The bride and groom were thrilled to see a slideshow of their 
pix the next morning at breakfast.


-p

Paul Ewins wrote:


I did a similar thing years back with a Toshiba Libretto running PS6 on 
Windows 2000 in a whole 64mb of Ram. It was slow, but when you are only 
copying files and reviewing the day's shooting it was good enough. The 
only downside was no optical drive as I like to burn copies to DVD and 
mail them home. I like the size of the netbooks (10 screen seems a good 
compromise) but I'd prefer something with the DVD built in. That doesn't 
seem to exist at the moment even although it wouldn't add that much more 
size or weight.   We are doing a trip to Hawaii, NY and Quebec later 
this year so I might look into netbooks again before I go.



On 13/05/2009, at 4:21 AM, Toine wrote:


Enabled myself with a MSI Wind netbook, runs 5-6 hours on a
batterycharge, has an SDHC card slot, 160 Gb disc and enough power to
run Lightroom. Small enough to fit in a normal photobag (10), about 1
kg and half the price of a 100 Gb imagetank (300 euros)!



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Re: EVFs ...too much engery consumption?

2009-05-13 Thread Luiz Felipe
Well, the optical finders really are close to battery free, depending on 
the amout of zooming - and assuming the finder as zoom-capable.


Taking DSLRs into account, the EVF replaces the entire mirror assembly, 
wich would present some battery use when winding - after each shot. Add 
some other bits saved and it is possible to close the gap somewhat.


LF

JC OConnell escreveu:

wouldnt an EVF camera eat batteries even worse than flash?

I dont like the fact that it consumes energy while an optical
finder doesnt.

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RE: Pentax and GFM

2009-05-13 Thread Desjardins, Steve
And people will say this even if it's terrible, just to make you buy it.

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Bill,
Just order one.  You know what's gonna happen.
Lots of chatter on how nice the new camera is, several pictures.
Resistance is futile...
Regards,  Bob S.

On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 10:20 PM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote:

 - Original Message -
 From: Stan Halpin
 Subject: Re: Pentax and GFM


 Thank you Doug! And thank you PMS-PIC!

 On my previous trip to GFM Don loaned me his DA* 200/macro. That  kindness
 cost me a bunch of money! I am beginning to recalculate the  likely cost
 of the trip this year...


 Im not only more annoyed that I'm not coming, but at the same time a bit
 relieved, knowing how self enabling I can be.

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Re: New K body coming... official !

2009-05-13 Thread Thibouille
K-7 picture leaked.
http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/593539-post169.html

This is NO fake :)

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Re: OT PESO - Dales Gorge

2009-05-13 Thread Bob Sullivan
Dave,
You seem noteably sharper at the bottom water falls than at the top.
Is that just the lens or what?
Is it possible to change focus over the pano?
Cool image none the less...
Regards,  Bob S.

On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 6:07 AM, David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com wrote:
 2009/5/13 Derby Chang der...@iinet.net.au:
 David Savage wrote:

 G'day All,

 Yet another from my Pilbra trip:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/3524804483/

 Direct link (~230kb)

 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3620/3524804483_ed943eeb19_o.jpg

 4 frames processed in LR  stitched in PTGui.

 The web version doesn't do the original justice.

 Enjoy.

 Cheers,

 Dave

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 Certainly doesn't. Any chance of getting a bigger version? Can tell this
 one's spectacular scenery as well

 Your wish...(~3MB):

 http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/Misc/Images/D700/0111_lrg.jpg

 Not quite full size.

 Cheers,

 Dave

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Re: PESO - Simple Pleasure

2009-05-13 Thread Luiz Felipe
Very, very interesting Frank! Great moment. Couldn't help but wonder how 
it'd look in color...


LF

frank theriault escreveu:

Nothing compares to the simple pleasure of riding a bicycle. -- John
F. Kennedy

http://mondociclismo.blogspot.com/2009/05/simple-pleasure.html

Scroll down and click on the pic to make it bigger.

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Re: Wedding Photographer

2009-05-13 Thread Luiz Felipe

Really amazing...

LF

Christian escreveu:

http://lynchburg.craigslist.org/bfs/1126049517.html



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Re: Pentax and GFM

2009-05-13 Thread Bob Sullivan
The bean counters at Pentax Canada have a separate profit center
set-up for Saskatchewan just because of Bill.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 9:10 AM, Desjardins, Steve desjard...@wlu.edu wrote:
 And people will say this even if it's terrible, just to make you buy it.

 -Original Message-
 From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bob 
 Sullivan
 Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 9:57 AM
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 Subject: Re: Pentax and GFM


 Bill,
 Just order one.  You know what's gonna happen.
 Lots of chatter on how nice the new camera is, several pictures.
 Resistance is futile...
 Regards,  Bob S.

 On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 10:20 PM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote:

 - Original Message -
 From: Stan Halpin
 Subject: Re: Pentax and GFM


 Thank you Doug! And thank you PMS-PIC!

 On my previous trip to GFM Don loaned me his DA* 200/macro. That  kindness
 cost me a bunch of money! I am beginning to recalculate the  likely cost
 of the trip this year...


 Im not only more annoyed that I'm not coming, but at the same time a bit
 relieved, knowing how self enabling I can be.

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Re: OT PESO - Dales Gorge

2009-05-13 Thread Graydon
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 09:15:39AM -0500, Bob Sullivan scripsit:
 Dave,
 You seem noteably sharper at the bottom water falls than at the top.
 Is that just the lens or what?

It might be a deliberate decision to make it look that little bit more
like what you'd actually see, standing at the base of the falls; the top
of the cliff isn't going to be as sharp as what's right there, after
all.

I very much liked that aspect of the composite image; it more or less
replicated the detail visible to a person standing at the point where
the images were taken.

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Re: EVFs ...

2009-05-13 Thread Adam Maas
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 2:45 AM, Jos from Holland
jos_from_holl...@onsnet.nu wrote:

 Did I understand well, that the ease of manual focussing is not because the
 view finder is so super bright or clear etc, but more because of the strong
 focusing aid? I can immagen that that could be a basic advantage of a
 electronic view finder system over a pure optical system. As the
 effectiveness of optical systems depend very much on aperture and focal
 length of the lens
 Greetz, Jos


There's 3 advantages or manual focus ing with a high-end EVF.

The first is the zoom function.
The second is the ability to accurately show DoF and critical focus at
working apertures (Most optical finders do not accurately show DoF
even wide-open). Since the feed is from the imaging sensor,
misalignment is also impossible
The third is a peculiarity of the LCD display and how it displays the
transition between oof and in-focus textures. It becomes quite easy to
determine when you hit focus based on the look of any texture or
detail.

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Re: PESO Lake Michigan Waves

2009-05-13 Thread Luiz Felipe
That's good Christine! Nice timing, I like the composition - to the 
point I miss the shoreline in the second crop, even as I don't 
particularly enjoy the dark clad person.


I don't have particularly interesting waves shot, but in my attempts I 
found some rithm present in all cases, with the incoming waves 
overlapping with the reflected, to some huge splashes when the 
interference is ok. Getting the splash right is another story, even if 
you predict wich waves are going to be better. Usually needs lots of 
clicks, lots of tries - or one VG moment with all close to perfection 
and camera ready. And, a polarizer may come in handy, to tame or enhance 
some reflections and skies.


LF

Christine Aguila escreveu:

Hi Everyone:

I believe this is my 1st wave shoot.  I probably shot about 90 pics, but 
this was the best of the bunch.  The others weren't very interesting 
mainly because I didn't time the shots right or the wave didn't turn out 
as dramatic as I thought it might or the composition was uninteresting. 
Getting all of the aforementioned just right at the same time was hard.


Birds were everywhere as well--so I cleaned up the sky quite a bit--lots 
of blurry black spots polluting that drab looking sky :-).


I found shooting waves quite a challenge. I tried to use all my senses 
to anticipate where the big splashes might be but it often didn't work 
out.  I tried to rely on hearing, but it seemed the louder and incoming 
wave was the less interesting was the splash when it hit the shore :-).  
If anyone has any tips, I'd be grateful.  I probably should try this 
again with an ND filter, no?  Also, I'd be interested in knowing which 
crop you prefer--I've cropped the jogger out of the 2nd pic.


Anyway, comments/critique welcome--I could use some help in shooting 
this subject.


http://faculty.ccc.edu/caguila/waves/index.html

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Re: PESO Lake Michigan Waves

2009-05-13 Thread Bob Sullivan
Christine,
I like the second one a bit better, but it's a tough choice.
The strongest element in these is the curved shore.  I love it.
Catching the big splashes can be tough. You did well.
Go in stronger winds or worse weather for more chances,
but watch where you're standing or you'll be wet or worse...
There's a stretch of Sheridan Road at the Evanston border where
monster splashes occur.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 1:50 AM, Christine  Aguila
cagu...@earthlink.net wrote:
 Hi Everyone:

 I believe this is my 1st wave shoot.  I probably shot about 90 pics, but
 this was the best of the bunch.  The others weren't very interesting mainly
 because I didn't time the shots right or the wave didn't turn out as
 dramatic as I thought it might or the composition was uninteresting. Getting
 all of the aforementioned just right at the same time was hard.

 Birds were everywhere as well--so I cleaned up the sky quite a bit--lots of
 blurry black spots polluting that drab looking sky :-).

 I found shooting waves quite a challenge. I tried to use all my senses to
 anticipate where the big splashes might be but it often didn't work out.  I
 tried to rely on hearing, but it seemed the louder and incoming wave was the
 less interesting was the splash when it hit the shore :-).  If anyone has
 any tips, I'd be grateful.  I probably should try this again with an ND
 filter, no?  Also, I'd be interested in knowing which crop you prefer--I've
 cropped the jogger out of the 2nd pic.

 Anyway, comments/critique welcome--I could use some help in shooting this
 subject.

 http://faculty.ccc.edu/caguila/waves/index.html

 Cheers, Christine


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Re: PESO - Brugge Station

2009-05-13 Thread Luiz Felipe
Disturbing, Rick. Very interesting, I'd choose the second but there is 
some human, yellow clad reflection that should go, IMHO.


Wonder about a softer light, with less shadows. Really not the Brugge I 
have in mind.


LF

Rick Womer escreveu:

I have mixed feelings about these.  They are not the usual medieval Brugge 
shots, certainly.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=9163078size=lg

and

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=9163099size=lg

(K10D and DA 50-200)

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Re: New K body coming... official !

2009-05-13 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Thibouille
Subject: Re: New K body coming... official !


 K-7 picture leaked.
 http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/593539-post169.html

 This is NO fake :)

Wow, these guys have a time machine now.
How did I miss that?

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Re: Pentax and GFM

2009-05-13 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Bob Sullivan
Subject: Re: Pentax and GFM


Bill,
Just order one.  You know what's gonna happen.
Lots of chatter on how nice the new camera is, several pictures.
Resistance is futile...

Like I need your help for this.
Thanks Bob.

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Re: New K body coming... official !

2009-05-13 Thread Thibouille
The background is fake of course but I suspect this really is not the
interesting bit?
No fake meant the picture of the camera, Bill. Thought it was obvious =D

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Re: PESO 2009 - 061, 062, 063 - GDG

2009-05-13 Thread Luiz Felipe

Very interesting indeed, Godfrey. Make mine #2.

LF

Godfrey DiGiorgi escreveu:

A trio of still life photos from this morning walk:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3652/3526297701_e58c817b3b_o.jpg
  061 - Four Two Crossing - Sunnyvale 2009
  ISO 100 @ f/2.8 @ 1/60 sec
  flickr page: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/3526297701/

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3368/3526297825_57b1eacd5b_o.jpg
  062 - Purple Flowers - Sunnyvale 2009
  ISO 100 @ f/1.8 @ 1/320 sec
  flickr page: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/3526297825/

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3602/3527109124_1904830064_o.jpg
  063 - Passing - Sunnyvale 2009
  ISO 100 @ f/2.8 @ 1/15 sec
  flickr page: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/3527109124/

Captured with Panasonic L1 + Konica Hexanon AR 40mm f/1.8 lens.

Comments always appreciated.

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Re: EVFs ...

2009-05-13 Thread Graydon
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 11:03:56PM -0700, Godfrey DiGiorgi scripsit:
 On May 12, 2009, at 8:12 PM, Graydon wrote:
 ... I hate them with a mad inhuman passion. ...

 My apologies. I thought I was having a discussion with a sane human  
 being.

Note to self; rhetorical exaggeration of limited utility in some PDML
contexts.

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Re: Netbook doubles as an imagetank

2009-05-13 Thread Nick Wright
As cheap as memory cards are (taking into account that they are
reusable), you could just copy the cards to the netbook and then mail
the card home.

That would save you the extra step of toting around a DVD burner, and the DVDs.

Plus I'm guessing it might be a bit cheaper to mail an sd card
compared to a DVD.

On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 6:55 PM, Paul Ewins paulew...@optusnet.com.au wrote:

 I did a similar thing years back with a Toshiba Libretto running PS6 on
 Windows 2000 in a whole 64mb of Ram. It was slow, but when you are only
 copying files and reviewing the day's shooting it was good enough. The only
 downside was no optical drive as I like to burn copies to DVD and mail them
 home. I like the size of the netbooks (10 screen seems a good compromise)
 but I'd prefer something with the DVD built in. That doesn't seem to exist
 at the moment even although it wouldn't add that much more size or weight.
 We are doing a trip to Hawaii, NY and Quebec later this year so I might look
 into netbooks again before I go.


 On 13/05/2009, at 4:21 AM, Toine wrote:

 Enabled myself with a MSI Wind netbook, runs 5-6 hours on a
 batterycharge, has an SDHC card slot, 160 Gb disc and enough power to
 run Lightroom. Small enough to fit in a normal photobag (10), about 1
 kg and half the price of a 100 Gb imagetank (300 euros)!


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Re: Pentax and GFM

2009-05-13 Thread Scott Loveless
On 5/13/09, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote:

  - Original Message -
  From: Bob Sullivan
  Subject: Re: Pentax and GFM



 Bill,
  Just order one.  You know what's gonna happen.
  Lots of chatter on how nice the new camera is, several pictures.
  Resistance is futile...


 Like I need your help for this.
  Thanks Bob.

The only way this would be easier, Bob, is if Pentax made a special
shiny version just for Bill.

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Test -- Again

2009-05-13 Thread Daniel J. Matyola, Esq

Help!

I usually read PDML mail and respond via gmail.  For some time, however, 
I have been unable to post messages to PDML from my gmail account.  Some 
of my replies to other threads get through, but some do not.


I have, therefore opened a new account using my office email account.  
That worked for a while, but now email from this account seem to get 
lost in the ethernet.  I seem to be getting all the posts from other 
members of the list on both accounts, but neither account seems to be 
able to generate new posts.


Does anyone have any ideas as what I can to to get my posting privileges 
back?


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Re: PESO - Simple Pleasure

2009-05-13 Thread Christian

frank theriault wrote:

Nothing compares to the simple pleasure of riding a bicycle. -- John
F. Kennedy

http://mondociclismo.blogspot.com/2009/05/simple-pleasure.html

Scroll down and click on the pic to make it bigger.


Nice grab, frank.


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Re: Test -- Again

2009-05-13 Thread Nick Wright
Is your email client set to simple text?

On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Daniel J. Matyola, Esq
d...@stanleypmlaw.com wrote:
 Help!

 I usually read PDML mail and respond via gmail.  For some time, however, I
 have been unable to post messages to PDML from my gmail account.  Some of my
 replies to other threads get through, but some do not.

 I have, therefore opened a new account using my office email account.  That
 worked for a while, but now email from this account seem to get lost in the
 ethernet.  I seem to be getting all the posts from other members of the list
 on both accounts, but neither account seems to be able to generate new
 posts.

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Re: Netbook doubles as an imagetank

2009-05-13 Thread Bob Sullivan
Last trip I used 2 - 8Gb cards and a single 16GB card.
Downloaded these to my laptop, but didn't erase until I backed them up at home.
That really worked just fine.
32 Gb is getting to be a bit much for my laptop to swallow.
Driving next time, so maybe I'll take a portable hard drive.
Regards, Bob S.

On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Nick Wright nickwright1...@gmail.com wrote:
 As cheap as memory cards are (taking into account that they are
 reusable), you could just copy the cards to the netbook and then mail
 the card home.

 That would save you the extra step of toting around a DVD burner, and the 
 DVDs.

 Plus I'm guessing it might be a bit cheaper to mail an sd card
 compared to a DVD.

 On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 6:55 PM, Paul Ewins paulew...@optusnet.com.au wrote:

 I did a similar thing years back with a Toshiba Libretto running PS6 on
 Windows 2000 in a whole 64mb of Ram. It was slow, but when you are only
 copying files and reviewing the day's shooting it was good enough. The only
 downside was no optical drive as I like to burn copies to DVD and mail them
 home. I like the size of the netbooks (10 screen seems a good compromise)
 but I'd prefer something with the DVD built in. That doesn't seem to exist
 at the moment even although it wouldn't add that much more size or weight.
 We are doing a trip to Hawaii, NY and Quebec later this year so I might look
 into netbooks again before I go.


 On 13/05/2009, at 4:21 AM, Toine wrote:

 Enabled myself with a MSI Wind netbook, runs 5-6 hours on a
 batterycharge, has an SDHC card slot, 160 Gb disc and enough power to
 run Lightroom. Small enough to fit in a normal photobag (10), about 1
 kg and half the price of a 100 Gb imagetank (300 euros)!


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Re: PESO - Simple Pleasure

2009-05-13 Thread Jack Davis

Ya' really nailed this one, Frank! Everything about it works for me. 
Composition, his expression, etc..etc.
I think most of us remember that moment.

Jack

--- On Wed, 5/13/09, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com
 Subject: PESO - Simple Pleasure
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net
 Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 5:46 AM
 Nothing compares to the simple
 pleasure of riding a bicycle. -- John
 F. Kennedy
 
 http://mondociclismo.blogspot.com/2009/05/simple-pleasure.html
 
 Scroll down and click on the pic to make it bigger.
 
 Comments welcome.
 
 cheers,
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OT - Ring My Bell

2009-05-13 Thread frank theriault
My little show was pushed up by a week (I found this out late last
week), so I was in Toronto's city hall until late last night mounting
and hanging and changing my mind and hanging in a different order and
changing my mind again...

But as of this morning all 18 prints were hanging in the west rotunda
of city hall (just in case any of you are going to be in that area
over the next week or so).  They'll be there until May 21.

I decided to go with the collection of bicycle bells (I posted them
here a while ago), but I added some new ones and deleted a few.  Over
the next day or so I'll put them in a little online gallery so you can
take a look if you're interested.

It's still kinda cool looking at actual prints as opposed to something
on a computer screen.  It's also pretty cool to have stuff hanging up
where people can see them...

cheers,
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Re: Test -- Again

2009-05-13 Thread Bob Sullivan
Dan,
Nick's suggestion is good - plain text ony.
Don't let anything re-set your sending mode (Think responding to a JCO post).
I had trouble with gmail until I told the pdml to send me an
acknowledgment post.
I don't know what that did, but no troubles now and still getting
acknowledgements.
Regards, Bob S.

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 Help!

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Re: OT - Ring My Bell

2009-05-13 Thread Scott Loveless
That's very cool, Frank.  Congrats!  But how is this OT?

On 5/13/09, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
 My little show was pushed up by a week (I found this out late last
  week), so I was in Toronto's city hall until late last night mounting
  and hanging and changing my mind and hanging in a different order and
  changing my mind again...

  But as of this morning all 18 prints were hanging in the west rotunda
  of city hall (just in case any of you are going to be in that area
  over the next week or so).  They'll be there until May 21.

  I decided to go with the collection of bicycle bells (I posted them
  here a while ago), but I added some new ones and deleted a few.  Over
  the next day or so I'll put them in a little online gallery so you can
  take a look if you're interested.

  It's still kinda cool looking at actual prints as opposed to something
  on a computer screen.  It's also pretty cool to have stuff hanging up
  where people can see them...

  cheers,
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Re: OT PESO - Dales Gorge

2009-05-13 Thread frank theriault
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 6:53 PM, David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com wrote:
 G'day All,

 Yet another from my Pilbra trip:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/3524804483/

 Direct link (~230kb)

 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3620/3524804483_ed943eeb19_o.jpg

 4 frames processed in LR  stitched in PTGui.

 The web version doesn't do the original justice.

Amazing colours.  Beautiful landscape. Amazing photograph.

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Re: OT - Ring My Bell

2009-05-13 Thread Jack Davis

All totally cool, Frank. Congratulations!!

Jack

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 From: frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com
 Subject: OT - Ring My Bell
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net
 Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 9:02 AM
 My little show was pushed up by a
 week (I found this out late last
 week), so I was in Toronto's city hall until late last
 night mounting
 and hanging and changing my mind and hanging in a different
 order and
 changing my mind again...
 
 But as of this morning all 18 prints were hanging in the
 west rotunda
 of city hall (just in case any of you are going to be in
 that area
 over the next week or so).  They'll be there until May
 21.
 
 I decided to go with the collection of bicycle bells (I
 posted them
 here a while ago), but I added some new ones and deleted a
 few.  Over
 the next day or so I'll put them in a little online gallery
 so you can
 take a look if you're interested.
 
 It's still kinda cool looking at actual prints as opposed
 to something
 on a computer screen.  It's also pretty cool to have
 stuff hanging up
 where people can see them...
 
 cheers,
 frank
 
 
 
 
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 Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri
 Cartier-Bresson
 
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Re: Pentax and GFM

2009-05-13 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Scott Loveless
Subject: Re: Pentax and GFM



 Bill,
  Just order one.  You know what's gonna happen.
  Lots of chatter on how nice the new camera is, several pictures.
  Resistance is futile...


 Like I need your help for this.
  Thanks Bob.

 The only way this would be easier, Bob, is if Pentax made a special
 shiny version just for Bill.

I'll hold out for the pro model, thank you.

William Robb 



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Re: Test -- Again

2009-05-13 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Daniel J. Matyola, Esq
Subject: Test -- Again




 Does anyone have any ideas as what I can to to get my posting privileges 
 back?


Sucking up to Doug might help.

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Re: OT - Ring My Bell

2009-05-13 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Scott Loveless
Subject: Re: OT - Ring My Bell


 That's very cool, Frank.  Congrats!  But how is this OT?


It's a success story of a photographer who uses Pentax?
Would someone please tell me why it's snowing again?

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Re: Netbook doubles as an imagetank

2009-05-13 Thread Toine
Imported 700 K20D PEF in LR without any problems. Runs as smooth as my
big desktop. Rendering previews takes more time as expected with a
small atom cpu. This netbook has 2Gb which makes all the difference.
Also discovered I can set the resilotion to 1024x768 which enables
scrolling but all the dialog boxes are visible.

I don't see any problems.

Next experiment is thetered shooting with the netbook with pentax
remote assistant and LR auto import.

Toine

2009/5/13 Tim Øsleby maritim...@gmail.com:
 A few days ago I tried a test version LR 2.3 at a notebook I borrowed.
 With about 100 files it was snappy. Faster than my 1.4 installation at
 my regular box. But after importing a few more it slowed down
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Re: PESO 2009 - 061, 062, 063 - GDG

2009-05-13 Thread frank theriault
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 8:47 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi ramar...@mac.com wrote:
 A trio of still life photos from this morning walk:

 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3652/3526297701_e58c817b3b_o.jpg
  061 - Four Two Crossing - Sunnyvale 2009
  ISO 100 @ f/2.8 @ 1/60 sec
  flickr page: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/3526297701/

 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3368/3526297825_57b1eacd5b_o.jpg
  062 - Purple Flowers - Sunnyvale 2009
  ISO 100 @ f/1.8 @ 1/320 sec
  flickr page: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/3526297825/

 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3602/3527109124_1904830064_o.jpg
  063 - Passing - Sunnyvale 2009
  ISO 100 @ f/2.8 @ 1/15 sec
  flickr page: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/3527109124/

 Captured with Panasonic L1 + Konica Hexanon AR 40mm f/1.8 lens.

 Comments always appreciated.

I especially like Blurry Flowers.  Maybe it's the blurry bits...

;-)

Lovely stuff, Godfrey!

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Re: Pentax and GFM

2009-05-13 Thread frank theriault
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 11:53 AM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote:


 I'll hold out for the pro model, thank you.

Are they not making it in black?

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Re: Pentax and GFM

2009-05-13 Thread Graydon
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 12:38:48PM -0400, frank theriault scripsit:
 On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 11:53 AM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote:
  I'll hold out for the pro model, thank you.
 
 Are they not making it in black?

Only Japan will get the black model.

For Canada Pentax marketing is still deciding between Maudlin' Mauve and
Lascivious Lemon.

I believe the US versions of the colours are called Patriotic Puce and
Triumphant Taupe.

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Re: OT - Ring My Bell

2009-05-13 Thread Bob Sullivan
Frank,
Here's hoping it's the first of many.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 11:02 AM, frank theriault
knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
 My little show was pushed up by a week (I found this out late last
 week), so I was in Toronto's city hall until late last night mounting
 and hanging and changing my mind and hanging in a different order and
 changing my mind again...

 But as of this morning all 18 prints were hanging in the west rotunda
 of city hall (just in case any of you are going to be in that area
 over the next week or so).  They'll be there until May 21.

 I decided to go with the collection of bicycle bells (I posted them
 here a while ago), but I added some new ones and deleted a few.  Over
 the next day or so I'll put them in a little online gallery so you can
 take a look if you're interested.

 It's still kinda cool looking at actual prints as opposed to something
 on a computer screen.  It's also pretty cool to have stuff hanging up
 where people can see them...

 cheers,
 frank




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DA* 60-250/4 - the first intoxicating tests

2009-05-13 Thread AlunFoto
In one cautious sentence:

I think this one has indeed been worth waiting for.

Jostein

Btw,
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Re: OT - Ring My Bell

2009-05-13 Thread Christian
That's awesome, frank.  You better be working on a book of 
bicycle/messenger photos.


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frank theriault wrote:

My little show was pushed up by a week (I found this out late last
week), so I was in Toronto's city hall until late last night mounting
and hanging and changing my mind and hanging in a different order and
changing my mind again...

But as of this morning all 18 prints were hanging in the west rotunda
of city hall (just in case any of you are going to be in that area
over the next week or so).  They'll be there until May 21.

I decided to go with the collection of bicycle bells (I posted them
here a while ago), but I added some new ones and deleted a few.  Over
the next day or so I'll put them in a little online gallery so you can
take a look if you're interested.

It's still kinda cool looking at actual prints as opposed to something
on a computer screen.  It's also pretty cool to have stuff hanging up
where people can see them...

cheers,
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Re: PESO 2009 - 061, 062, 063 - GDG

2009-05-13 Thread Ken Waller

Nice, simple captures all. I was surprised they were all in color !

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi ramar...@mac.com

Subject: PESO 2009 - 061, 062, 063 - GDG



A trio of still life photos from this morning walk:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3652/3526297701_e58c817b3b_o.jpg
  061 - Four Two Crossing - Sunnyvale 2009
  ISO 100 @ f/2.8 @ 1/60 sec
  flickr page: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/3526297701/

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3368/3526297825_57b1eacd5b_o.jpg
  062 - Purple Flowers - Sunnyvale 2009
  ISO 100 @ f/1.8 @ 1/320 sec
  flickr page: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/3526297825/

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3602/3527109124_1904830064_o.jpg
  063 - Passing - Sunnyvale 2009
  ISO 100 @ f/2.8 @ 1/15 sec
  flickr page: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/3527109124/

Captured with Panasonic L1 + Konica Hexanon AR 40mm f/1.8 lens.

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GESO - the terrible beauty

2009-05-13 Thread Doug Brewer

http://www.drivingtheflies.com/?p=1214

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Re: Test -- Again

2009-05-13 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Thanks, guys for the suggestions.

This is being sent from gmail with plain text.  Please let me know
if that solves the problem

Dan M

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Re: DA* 60-250/4 - the first intoxicating tests

2009-05-13 Thread paul stenquist
Mine is scheduled to arrive today. I'm looking forward to playing with  
it.

Paul
On May 13, 2009, at 1:25 PM, AlunFoto wrote:


In one cautious sentence:

I think this one has indeed been worth waiting for.

Jostein

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OT: Ten Tips for Shooting People

2009-05-13 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Intended for rank amateurs, not pros like us, but still interesting:

http://www.bspcn.com/2009/05/11/10-tips-for-people-photography/

Please note:  This is also a test to see if you problem posting
through gmail has been resolved.
I would appreciate hearing from someone to confirm that this post has
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Re: PESO Lake Michigan Waves

2009-05-13 Thread Ken Waller
Nice captures, but I pick the first cause you gave the seawall more room to 
the RH edge. Nice use of the seawall as a lead in/out of the image.

It could do with less of that blank sky also.

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: Christine Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net

Subject: PESO Lake Michigan Waves



Hi Everyone:

I believe this is my 1st wave shoot.  I probably shot about 90 pics, but 
this was the best of the bunch.  The others weren't very interesting 
mainly because I didn't time the shots right or the wave didn't turn out 
as dramatic as I thought it might or the composition was uninteresting. 
Getting all of the aforementioned just right at the same time was hard.


Birds were everywhere as well--so I cleaned up the sky quite a bit--lots 
of blurry black spots polluting that drab looking sky :-).


I found shooting waves quite a challenge. I tried to use all my senses to 
anticipate where the big splashes might be but it often didn't work out. 
I tried to rely on hearing, but it seemed the louder and incoming wave was 
the less interesting was the splash when it hit the shore :-).  If anyone 
has any tips, I'd be grateful.  I probably should try this again with an 
ND filter, no?  Also, I'd be interested in knowing which crop you 
prefer--I've cropped the jogger out of the 2nd pic.


Anyway, comments/critique welcome--I could use some help in shooting this 
subject.


http://faculty.ccc.edu/caguila/waves/index.html

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Re: Wedding Photographer

2009-05-13 Thread Ken Waller

L O L !

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: Christian christ...@skofteland.net


Subject: Wedding Photographer



http://lynchburg.craigslist.org/bfs/1126049517.html

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Re: DA* 60-250/4 - the first intoxicating tests

2009-05-13 Thread William Robb

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Subject: DA* 60-250/4 - the first intoxicating tests


 In one cautious sentence:

 I think this one has indeed been worth waiting for.


Shut up.
Just STFU.

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Re: OT: Ten Tips for Shooting People

2009-05-13 Thread paul stenquist

There's only one tip that counts when shooting people:
Make sure you get them with the first shot, so they don't have a  
chance to return fire.


Any other rules are just window dressing.
Paul

On May 13, 2009, at 1:53 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:


Intended for rank amateurs, not pros like us, but still interesting:

http://www.bspcn.com/2009/05/11/10-tips-for-people-photography/

Please note:  This is also a test to see if you problem posting
through gmail has been resolved.
I would appreciate hearing from someone to confirm that this post has
reached the list.

Thanks again,

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Re: GESO - the terrible beauty

2009-05-13 Thread paul stenquist

Well documented.
Sorry to hear of the loss of property and life.
On May 13, 2009, at 1:45 PM, Doug Brewer wrote:


http://www.drivingtheflies.com/?p=1214

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Re: OT: Ten Tips for Shooting People

2009-05-13 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
As an old Marine, that reminds me of the sniper's motto

One shot, one kill.

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 There's only one tip that counts when shooting people:
 Make sure you get them with the first shot, so they don't have a chance to
 return fire.

 Any other rules are just window dressing.
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Re: Test -- Again

2009-05-13 Thread Bob Sullivan
Reading you loud and clear!

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PESO - Plum Twig

2009-05-13 Thread AlunFoto
http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2009/05/plum-twig.html

Bill Robb, this link is specially for you:
http://turl.no/3lk

cheers,
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Re: GESO - the terrible beauty

2009-05-13 Thread frank theriault
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Doug Brewer d...@alphoto.com wrote:
 http://www.drivingtheflies.com/?p=1214

The last one is especially moving.

A awesome series of an awful event.

cheers,
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Re: GESO - the terrible beauty

2009-05-13 Thread AlunFoto
What Frank said.
Devastating.
Jostein

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Re: OT: Ten Tips for Shooting People

2009-05-13 Thread Charles Robinson

On May 13, 2009, at 12:53, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:


Intended for rank amateurs, not pros like us, but still interesting:

http://www.bspcn.com/2009/05/11/10-tips-for-people-photography/



Post received, but the website is not responding.  Ah well!

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Re: New K body coming... official !

2009-05-13 Thread Thibouille
Back of the camera (look at the useful buttons :)

http://www1.picfront.org/picture/zmeljDCTlvW/img/Heute-Journal.jpg

Again, camera pic is genuine.

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Re: PESO Lake Michigan Waves

2009-05-13 Thread frank theriault
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 2:50 AM, Christine  Aguila
cagu...@earthlink.net wrote:
 Hi Everyone:

 I believe this is my 1st wave shoot.  I probably shot about 90 pics, but
 this was the best of the bunch.  The others weren't very interesting mainly
 because I didn't time the shots right or the wave didn't turn out as
 dramatic as I thought it might or the composition was uninteresting. Getting
 all of the aforementioned just right at the same time was hard.

 Birds were everywhere as well--so I cleaned up the sky quite a bit--lots of
 blurry black spots polluting that drab looking sky :-).

 I found shooting waves quite a challenge. I tried to use all my senses to
 anticipate where the big splashes might be but it often didn't work out.  I
 tried to rely on hearing, but it seemed the louder and incoming wave was the
 less interesting was the splash when it hit the shore :-).  If anyone has
 any tips, I'd be grateful.  I probably should try this again with an ND
 filter, no?  Also, I'd be interested in knowing which crop you prefer--I've
 cropped the jogger out of the 2nd pic.

 Anyway, comments/critique welcome--I could use some help in shooting this
 subject.

I like both of 'em, but the first (looser crop) is better to my eyes.
Gives the waves a bit more breathing room - it just feels more
natural.

Great timing to catch those waves!

Wonderful photo.

cheers,
frank

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Re: Peso Trillium's

2009-05-13 Thread frank theriault
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 6:38 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:
 The Trillium's are now out.

 I usually leave for my first pick up, 5 minutes early and park on a
 nice quiet street, in the country, and wait. Perfect opportunity to
 grab a few shots with out any pressure.

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=9165853

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=9165857


First one appears blown out on my (admittedly uncalibrated) screen.

Second on is lovely - good use of the shade.  I love trilliums.  It
used to be illegal to pick them here in Ontario - at least that's what
we were told when we were kids.  Urban myth or true?

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Re: PESO - Plum Twig

2009-05-13 Thread frank theriault
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 2:55 PM, AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote:
 http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2009/05/plum-twig.html

 Bill Robb, this link is specially for you:
 http://turl.no/3lk

I like the austere, simple composition.  The light/shade is lovely.

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Re: New K body coming... official !

2009-05-13 Thread Jack Davis

Sorta' boxy looking. I don't want one.  There, I feel much better. EEEHHH!!

Jack

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 Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 12:56 PM
 Back of the camera (look at the
 useful buttons :)
 
 http://www1.picfront.org/picture/zmeljDCTlvW/img/Heute-Journal.jpg
 
 Again, camera pic is genuine.
 
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