Re: How can I fire a flsh at 1/1000 secs?

[mike wilson]

John Francis wrote:

On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 03:44:00PM +, mike wilson wrote:


None of the online reviews I can find suggest that the K7 has it.



your google-fu is weak, grasshopper.

I just typedK7 high speed syncinto the google search box,
and it came up with lots of references, including reviews from
dcresource.com, amateurphotographer.co.uk, etc., and with the
product spec from adorama.com


You are correct.  I _really_ should have known better than to believe 
what I saw written on the internet.


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Re: How can I fire a flash at 1/1000 secs?

[Peter Loveday]

As it seems that "flash synch disabled above X-synch speeds" is more
than a Pentax only situation, the ball must be in Jobo's court to find
a solution.


It may not be Pentax only, but I think both Nikon and Canon get this right, 
so I doubt Jobo really care :(



Isn't there any other connection/outlet where a camera
 provides an impulse coincident with exposure?


Perhaps on the multi-pin grip connector.  Dunno.

Nikons have this kind of ability on their "10 pin"connector.  Canon probably 
has a similar option.



make the GPS unit in an SCA-3xxx version that could
spoof the camera into believing it was mounted with a high
speed flash.


A SCA version would add another A$100 to the cost for the 3702 adapter, 
which seems less than ideal me.  Still, it would give it platform 
independence (rather than them releasing a version for every system).


If I were to bother attempting to build such thing, I'd just do a pentax 
dedicated one anyway.  Firstly, its all I need, and secondly I have no idea 
how I'd get hold of a SCA spec to implement it that way.


- Peter


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Re: FYI - Website - dpBestflow

[Christine Aguila]

you know, I made a boo-boo.  I watched the videos at ASMP not at dpBestflow. 
I got to ASMP via dpBestflow.   Here's the link.


http://www.asmp.org/strictlybusiness/video-library/

Sorry about the mix-up.  Cheers, Christine





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I went to the site earlier today and watched a few of the videos, which 
were highly informative.  I plan to watch more in future.  It looks to be a 
useful site.  Highly recommend a look-see.  Thanks for posting, Dave. 
Cheers, Christine



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HTH

Cheers,

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Re: PESO - Moss II (Color)

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 11/14/2009 1:36:18 P.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
tb...@textuality.com writes:
On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at  6:28 AM,   wrote:
> This probably isn't moss  either. :-) I found it  rather interesting. 
Once I
> got closer and  closer to it, it was like short, very  curly  hair.
>
>  http://www.mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/moss2c.htm

I like that one, the  textures tickle my eyes.  -T

=
Thanks!

Marnie  :-)

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Re: GESO - Pacific Northwest Eye candy

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In a message dated 11/14/2009 1:41:09 P.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
tb...@textuality.com writes:
On the islands around  Vancouver you don't get much sun this time of
year, but when you do, wow are  the mountains ever  pretty:
http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2009/11/14/CL-Closing-Up

K20,  50-135 except for the third, which is the ancient Tokina SL-400.
You might  want to scroll down and enlarge the last, particularly tasty
eye candy I  think.  -T

==
Lovely shot. Also rainbow is  fun.

Marnie aka Doe  :-)

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Re: OT: Vinyl vs. Digital - the "all vinyl is noisy" myth, , exposedinvideo

[Rob Studdert]

On 15/11/2009, Tom C  wrote:
> Rob,
>
> I don't understand the ABX testing you mentioned (what is it?),

Hi Tom et al,

Check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABX_test

> Yes I do believe that spending more money on a given product may yield
> improvement in quality, but there's both a practical ceiling (i.e., I
> cannot afford any more) and there's some threshold at which the amount
> of money spent no longer represents a proprtional linear improvement
> in quality and may even start becoming inversely proportional to the
> improvement that's been achieved.
>
> Did that make any sense? :-)

Yes that would be the hope but it's not a rule. Some extraordinary
claims, materials and processes accompany top dollar gear often,
especially cables. The mind boggles at the gullibility of some.

> There's also the wife factor.  I may be able to justify and get by
> with spending a $1000 on a new camera now and then.  But if I spent as
> much money on a hi-fi system as could be spent on a vehicle or a
> house, my life would not be worth living.

Indeed, family can also limit options, as soon as my little guy came
along most of my good audio gear went into storage, I rarely miss it
now.

Cheers,

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Re: OT: Vinyl vs. Digital - the "all vinyl is noisy" myth, , exposedinvideo

[Tom C]

Rob,

I don't understand the ABX testing you mentioned (what is it?), but I
do know that quite a bit of the higher end gear is made to appeal to
the ego and I agree with your point.  So is a $10,000 turntable 10X
better than a $1000 turntable, or a $100K turntable 10X better than a
$10K turntable?.  I sincerely doubt it.  That was my point about
diminishing returns and as John Sessoms pointed out, there's a lot of
different necessities as well as wants vying for priority when it
comes to dividing up our own financial pies.  Every single turntable
from $250 on up makes the same basic claim regarding fidelity.

Yes I do believe that spending more money on a given product may yield
improvement in quality, but there's both a practical ceiling (i.e., I
cannot afford any more) and there's some threshold at which the amount
of money spent no longer represents a proprtional linear improvement
in quality and may even start becoming inversely proportional to the
improvement that's been achieved.

Did that make any sense? :-)

There's also the wife factor.  I may be able to justify and get by
with spending a $1000 on a new camera now and then.  But if I spent as
much money on a hi-fi system as could be spent on a vehicle or a
house, my life would not be worth living.

Tom

On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 7:52 PM, Rob Studdert  wrote:
> On 15/11/2009, J.C. O'Connell  wrote:
>
>> Not that Onkyo and Pioneer are junk, but they are
>> are a long long away from full vinyl reproduction
>> pinnacle, read my post and comprehend it, I said a
>> $10,000 turntable doesn't sound as good as the
>> best, currently around $100,000. By deduction a
>> $1000 turntable doesn't sound as good as a $100K one either.
>> your still playback gear limited at $1K for sure.
>
> John, that's just crap, of course one would hope that more $$$ in gear
> would equate to improved resolution/fidelity but it's not a rule. At
> that level for most people it's just another way to say look at me,
> look at what I have, look at what I can afford, the repro fidelity is
> secondary.
>
> A bit of ABX testing would sort out a lot of the BS that goes on in
> the ultra-hifi circles, of course most "golden eared" folk won't go
> near ABX testing just in case.
>
> Just my humble opinion (to which I'm also entitled).
>
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Re: FYI - Website - dpBestflow

[Christine Aguila]

I went to the site earlier today and watched a few of the videos, which were 
highly informative.  I plan to watch more in future.  It looks to be a 
useful site.  Highly recommend a look-see.  Thanks for posting, Dave. 
Cheers, Christine



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HTH

Cheers,

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Re: GESO - Pacific Northwest Eye candy

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Subject: GESO - Pacific Northwest Eye candy



On the islands around Vancouver you don't get much sun this time of
year, but when you do, wow are the mountains ever pretty:
http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2009/11/14/CL-Closing-Up

K20, 50-135 except for the third, which is the ancient Tokina SL-400.
You might want to scroll down and enlarge the last, particularly tasty
eye candy I think.  -T



Agreed!  Great rainbow, Tim.  I really like the 1st one as well.  cheers, 
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Re: Promote Peace

[Christine Aguila]

That's fun, Paul, and another lovely one of Grace.  We could use more Peace 
art about the earth.  cheers, Christine



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Subject: PESO: Promote Peace



This afternoon in Birmingham, Michigan.
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10186553

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Re: PESO Mary Ave Bridge

[Christine Aguila]

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Subject: PESO Mary Ave Bridge



There is a new bridge over 280 in Cupertino/Sunnyvale. Everytime I see
it from 85, when crossing 280, I'm tempted to photograph it. Last
night on my way home from dancing, I decided to have a go at it,
despite it being 3:30 AM.

I think that this is my favorite of the bunch:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/4104380054/



Excellently composed and nice light, Larry.  Very nice work here.  Cheers, 
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Re: Geso: Sammie

[272yb]

Bill,Like them but the best I think are, On page two I like number three, On 
page one I like number five..Joe.. P.S. Thanks for the showing and did not know 
if you wanted a remark about them. 

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> Bill, LInk does not work, Joe  P.S. I guess I am late

> Please allow me to introduce Sammie.
> 
> http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/gesos/sammi1/index.html
> 

Try this one Joe.
bill

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Re: PESO Mary Ave Bridge

[Jack Davis]

Like this a lot, Larry. Very well seen and composed. Striking geometry!

Jack

--- On Sat, 11/14/09, Larry Colen  wrote:

> From: Larry Colen 
> Subject: PESO Mary Ave Bridge
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 7:22 PM
> There is a new bridge over 280 in
> Cupertino/Sunnyvale. Everytime I see
> it from 85, when crossing 280, I'm tempted to photograph
> it. Last
> night on my way home from dancing, I decided to have a go
> at it,
> despite it being 3:30 AM.
> 
> I think that this is my favorite of the bunch:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/4104380054/
> 
> from 
> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157622679490895/
> 
> By about 5AM I decided that it wasn't worth waiting for
> dawn and was
> going to leave as soon as I finished the shot I was working
> on, when
> four college aged kids showed up with their cameras. I got
> a couple of
> decent, though not great shots of the guy photographing the
> three
> gals.
> 
> The droid worked well for getting a geotag into flickr maps
> to hang
> the other photos off of. Amusingly, if one isn't interested
> in details
> like clarity, after processing some of the droid photos
> ended up
> pretty nice.
> 
> -- 
> The first step is learning to take great photos, 
> the second step is learning to throw away ones that are
> merely good.
> Larry Colen         
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Re: David Burnett - How I Got That Shot of Ayatollah Khomeini

[Larry Colen]

On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 01:36:44AM -, Bob W wrote:
> > 
> > David Burnett has a slideshow over at slate.com this week. 
> > New book out too
> > 
> > http://www.slate.com/id/2234851/
> > 
> 
> One of my friends was living in Teheran when the revolution started. His
> father worked for an oil company at the time. The friend was an aspiring
> photographer and was very keen to get out there on the streets. But in a
> blow that destroyed any chance he might have had of becoming a hard-bitten,
> cynical war photographer, his Mum wouldn't let him go out. He still hasn't
> lived it down, and despite him becoming a photographer and earning a living
> that way for over 20 years, I do like to remind him sometimes.
> 
> I, on the other hand, watched it from the comfort of a very beautiful
> apartment in Nice, overlooking the bay.

At the time, my dorm roommate was a fairly devout Shiite muslim from
the suburbs of Tehran. His mom would write him letters talking about
his father and brothers getting on the bus to commute into the city to
fight in the revolution.

Living with Seyavash was interesting. Khomeni was saying things like
all the jews should be killed, so Seyavash would joke about slitting
my throat in my sleep.

The annoying thing was his waking up at 6am to pray. But not as
annoying as when his alarm went off and it didn't wake him up.


> 
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Re: PESO Mary Ave Bridge

[Larry Colen]

On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 09:30:31PM -0600, William Robb wrote:
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Larry Colen"
> Subject: PESO Mary Ave Bridge
> 
> 
> >There is a new bridge over 280 in Cupertino/Sunnyvale. Everytime I see
> >it from 85, when crossing 280, I'm tempted to photograph it. Last
> >night on my way home from dancing, I decided to have a go at it,
> >despite it being 3:30 AM.
> >
> >I think that this is my favorite of the bunch:
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/4104380054/
> >
> >from
> >http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157622679490895/
> >
> 
> Larry, this is a superb set of pictures.

Thanks a bunch.

> You could lose 20091114-lrc33384 and the last four shots, they are pretty 
> much garbage.

I appreciate the feedback. There were some things I was trying with
them, I guess they didn't work.

I took your advice and pulled them out of that set.

> The shots of the bridge itself are stunning.


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Re: PESO Mary Ave Bridge

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On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 10:27:21PM -0500, paul stenquist wrote:
> Excellent. Nice composition and tonality.

Thanks.

> Paul
> On Nov 14, 2009, at 10:22 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
> 
> > There is a new bridge over 280 in Cupertino/Sunnyvale. Everytime I see
> > it from 85, when crossing 280, I'm tempted to photograph it. Last
> > night on my way home from dancing, I decided to have a go at it,
> > despite it being 3:30 AM.
> > 
> > I think that this is my favorite of the bunch:
> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/4104380054/
> > 
> > from 
> > http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157622679490895/
> > 
> > By about 5AM I decided that it wasn't worth waiting for dawn and was
> > going to leave as soon as I finished the shot I was working on, when
> > four college aged kids showed up with their cameras. I got a couple of
> > decent, though not great shots of the guy photographing the three
> > gals.
> > 
> > The droid worked well for getting a geotag into flickr maps to hang
> > the other photos off of. Amusingly, if one isn't interested in details
> > like clarity, after processing some of the droid photos ended up
> > pretty nice.
> > 
> > -- 
> > The first step is learning to take great photos, 
> > the second step is learning to throw away ones that are merely good.
> > Larry Colen l...@red4est.com
> > http://www.red4est.com/lrc
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Re: David Burnett - How I Got That Shot of Ayatollah Khomeini

[David Savage]

2009/11/15 Bob W :
>>
>> David Burnett has a slideshow over at slate.com this week.
>> New book out too
>>
>> http://www.slate.com/id/2234851/
>>
>
> One of my friends was living in Teheran when the revolution started. His
> father worked for an oil company at the time. The friend was an aspiring
> photographer and was very keen to get out there on the streets. But in a
> blow that destroyed any chance he might have had of becoming a hard-bitten,
> cynical war photographer, his Mum wouldn't let him go out. He still hasn't
> lived it down, and despite him becoming a photographer and earning a living
> that way for over 20 years, I do like to remind him sometimes.
>
> I, on the other hand, watched it from the comfort of a very beautiful
> apartment in Nice, overlooking the bay.

I watched it from behind the bars of my cot.

:-)

DS

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Re: OT: Vinyl vs. Digital

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Joseph McAllister"

Subject: Re: OT: Vinyl vs. Digital


On Nov 14, 2009, at 13:19 , Tim Bray wrote:


If
you want your heart to melt, sit down with some Cowboy Junkies in a
dark room on a seriously-good audiophile playback system.  -Tim


or Lucinda WIlliams, Willie Nelson, Leonard Cohen. All perfectionists.


All very good singers but, if the angels in heaven sing, they sound like 
Margo Timmins.


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Re: PESO Mary Ave Bridge

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Larry Colen"

Subject: PESO Mary Ave Bridge



There is a new bridge over 280 in Cupertino/Sunnyvale. Everytime I see
it from 85, when crossing 280, I'm tempted to photograph it. Last
night on my way home from dancing, I decided to have a go at it,
despite it being 3:30 AM.

I think that this is my favorite of the bunch:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/4104380054/

from
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157622679490895/



Larry, this is a superb set of pictures.
You could lose 20091114-lrc33384 and the last four shots, they are pretty 
much garbage.

The shots of the bridge itself are stunning.

William Robb 



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Re: PESO - Two More from Miami

[Rick Womer]

Thanks, Ann.  Photo.net is acting strangely with EXIF data; sometimes it's all 
there and sometimes nothing is there.

Cheers,

Rick

http://photo.net/photos/RickW


--- On Sat, 11/14/09, ann sanfedele  wrote:

> From: ann sanfedele 
> Subject: Re: PESO - Two More from Miami
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 12:36 PM
> 
> 
> Rick Womer wrote:
> 
> >>From: Christine Aguila 
> >>Subject: Re: PESO - Two More from Miami
> >>To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> >>Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 12:54 AM
> >>I like boat rental--unusual &
> >>intriguing.  Dusk at Miami Beach looks a 
> >>little grainy on my monitor and the focus seems a
> bit
> >>soft--maybe it's my  bad eyes or the low light
> situation :-).  It's a nice
> >>subject though. 
> >>    
> >>
> >>Cheers, Christine
> >>
> >>- Original Message - 
> >>From: "Rick Womer" 
> >>Subject: PESO - Two More from Miami
> >>
> >>>Dusk at Miami Beach:
> >>>http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10169976&size=lg
> >>>Boat Rental:
> >>>http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10169978&size=lg
> >>>(Both K10D, DA 16-45)
> >>>
> >>>Rick
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
>  ann writes=
> Rick - I definitely prefer the  first one... very
> evocative of  the feel 
> of the place... tres Miami Vice :-)  I like it a lot.
> I tried to see the 
> exif data  but apparently either you "saved for the
> web" or the site 
> blocks that stuff...
> My guess is you were shooting at 1600  to produce the
> grain/softness 
> Christine objects to, that, and the low
> light...
> 
> ann
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: PESO Mary Ave Bridge

[paul stenquist]

Excellent. Nice composition and tonality.
Paul
On Nov 14, 2009, at 10:22 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

> There is a new bridge over 280 in Cupertino/Sunnyvale. Everytime I see
> it from 85, when crossing 280, I'm tempted to photograph it. Last
> night on my way home from dancing, I decided to have a go at it,
> despite it being 3:30 AM.
> 
> I think that this is my favorite of the bunch:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/4104380054/
> 
> from 
> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157622679490895/
> 
> By about 5AM I decided that it wasn't worth waiting for dawn and was
> going to leave as soon as I finished the shot I was working on, when
> four college aged kids showed up with their cameras. I got a couple of
> decent, though not great shots of the guy photographing the three
> gals.
> 
> The droid worked well for getting a geotag into flickr maps to hang
> the other photos off of. Amusingly, if one isn't interested in details
> like clarity, after processing some of the droid photos ended up
> pretty nice.
> 
> -- 
> The first step is learning to take great photos, 
> the second step is learning to throw away ones that are merely good.
> Larry Colen l...@red4est.comhttp://www.red4est.com/lrc
> 
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PESO Mary Ave Bridge

[Larry Colen]

There is a new bridge over 280 in Cupertino/Sunnyvale. Everytime I see
it from 85, when crossing 280, I'm tempted to photograph it. Last
night on my way home from dancing, I decided to have a go at it,
despite it being 3:30 AM.

I think that this is my favorite of the bunch:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/4104380054/

from 
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157622679490895/

By about 5AM I decided that it wasn't worth waiting for dawn and was
going to leave as soon as I finished the shot I was working on, when
four college aged kids showed up with their cameras. I got a couple of
decent, though not great shots of the guy photographing the three
gals.

The droid worked well for getting a geotag into flickr maps to hang
the other photos off of. Amusingly, if one isn't interested in details
like clarity, after processing some of the droid photos ended up
pretty nice.

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the second step is learning to throw away ones that are merely good.
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Re: Geso: Sammie

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: 
Subject: Re: Geso: Sammie




Bill, LInk does not work, Joe  P.S. I guess I am late



Please allow me to introduce Sammie.

http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/gesos/sammi1/index.html



Try this one Joe.
bill

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PESO: Promote Peace

[paul stenquist]

This afternoon in Birmingham, Michigan.
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10186553

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Re: OT: Vinyl vs. Digital - the "all vinyl is noisy" myth, , exposedinvideo

[Rob Studdert]

On 15/11/2009, J.C. O'Connell  wrote:

> Not that Onkyo and Pioneer are junk, but they are
> are a long long away from full vinyl reproduction
> pinnacle, read my post and comprehend it, I said a
> $10,000 turntable doesn't sound as good as the
> best, currently around $100,000. By deduction a
> $1000 turntable doesn't sound as good as a $100K one either.
> your still playback gear limited at $1K for sure.

John, that's just crap, of course one would hope that more $$$ in gear
would equate to improved resolution/fidelity but it's not a rule. At
that level for most people it's just another way to say look at me,
look at what I have, look at what I can afford, the repro fidelity is
secondary.

A bit of ABX testing would sort out a lot of the BS that goes on in
the ultra-hifi circles, of course most "golden eared" folk won't go
near ABX testing just in case.

Just my humble opinion (to which I'm also entitled).

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RE: David Burnett - How I Got That Shot of Ayatollah Khomeini

[Bob W]

> 
> David Burnett has a slideshow over at slate.com this week. 
> New book out too
> 
> http://www.slate.com/id/2234851/
> 

One of my friends was living in Teheran when the revolution started. His
father worked for an oil company at the time. The friend was an aspiring
photographer and was very keen to get out there on the streets. But in a
blow that destroyed any chance he might have had of becoming a hard-bitten,
cynical war photographer, his Mum wouldn't let him go out. He still hasn't
lived it down, and despite him becoming a photographer and earning a living
that way for over 20 years, I do like to remind him sometimes.

I, on the other hand, watched it from the comfort of a very beautiful
apartment in Nice, overlooking the bay.

Bob


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Re: PESO: BNSF

[Larry Colen]

On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 09:34:34PM -0800, gldnbearz wrote:
> Your links run together, making it hard to click on them.  I have to
> highlight, copy, & paste to make the URL work.  Just FYI.

I agree, especially since I use a text based mail reader. It's
particularly rough since the link to your actual picture never seems
to show up in my email. I suppose that your mail client hides it in
the html, or behind a picture or something.

> 
> On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 9:07 PM, Sandra Hermann  
> wrote:
> > I took a picture of my model train the other day.  It was a nice day out so 
> > I put the train on the track and played around.
> >
> >  Help me support Autism research!  Join my 
> > team!  http://www.walknowforautism.org/stlouis/blubiconsbuddies
> >  http://stampmine.blogspot.com/http://samsphotopage.blogspot.com/
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RE: OT: Vinyl vs. Digital - the "all vinyl is noisy" myth, , exposedinvideo

[J.C. O'Connell]

no offense but your gear is not adequate enough
to say you are "record limited" Linear trackers are
not as good as pivoted arms until you get up over
$5K for just the tonearm because the only really
good linear trackers are the expensive air bearing models.

Not that Onkyo and Pioneer are junk, but they are
are a long long away from full vinyl reproduction
pinnacle, read my post and comprehend it, I said a
$10,000 turntable doesn't sound as good as the
best, currently around $100,000. By deduction a
$1000 turntable doesn't sound as good as a $100K one either.
your still playback gear limited at $1K for sure.


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-Original Message-
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
John Sessoms
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 5:48 PM
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: RE: OT: Vinyl vs. Digital - the "all vinyl is noisy" myth, ,
exposedinvideo


Reading for comprehension doesn't seem to be your strong suit.

From: "J.C. O'Connell"
> And NOPE the limiting factor in nearly all cases for
> vinyl playback quality isnt the record, its nearly always
> the turntable/tonearm/cartridge setup. 

> -Original Message-
> From: John Sessoms

>> PS: FWIW, I do have the "right" equipment, Pioneer PL-L1000a 
>> tangential
>> tracking turntable going into a Onkyo receiver and output to a
quality 
>> set of Yamaha speakers. I can't remember what the cartridge is, but
it 
>> cost almost as much as the turntable.
>> 

Turntable ran about $700 back in the late 70s. Cartridge mounted on it 
was about $500. It should be adequate, even all these years later.

Hope so, 'cause I got other things I'd rather spend the money on
now-a-days.

>> The limiting factor for vinyl is the quality of all those old 
>> records,
>> which went to a lot of parties while I was in my teens & twenties.
They 
>> came through the 60s & 70s in just about the same shape I did ...
even 
>> after taking 'em to an audiophile record shop to have them specially 
>> cleaned and sleeved at $20 a pop.
>> 

Maybe you never got invited to a party; never had anyone want you to 
bring your records over.

But, you get a bunch of people together drinkin', dancin' and carryin' 
on, sometimes the records can get a little shopworn.

When that happens, the best turntable in the world won't undo the 
scratches and spilled beer.

Don't see any reason to replace them at this late date. The ones I 
really needed to save I took to that "audiophile" shop, got 'em cleaned 
and sleeved ... then ripped 'em to CD so I could listen to the music 
without further wear and tear on the vinyl.


>> PPS: The "phile" in audiophile is short for "philistine".

Bottom line is your's is not the only acceptable way. What floats your 
boat is fine for you.

I'm going to do my own thing.

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Re: Geso: Sammie

[272yb]

Bill, LInk does not work, Joe  P.S. I guess I am late
- Original Message -
From: "William Robb" 
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:56:42 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Geso: Sammie

Please allow me to introduce Sammie.

http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/gesos/studio/sammi1/index.html

I think she is very pretty.
Anyway, tech stuff:
K-7/ iso 100.
70mm LTD, around f/8.
Images are resized and processed only.

All shots done with a 22" Beauty Dish, some had either a white or gold 
reflector.
The shots with the bright background, that background is the Beauty Dish 
firing at 800 WS. The main light is actually a reflector.
Sometimes I'm just friggin amazed at what SMC lets me do.

William Robb 


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RE: OT: Vinyl vs. Digital

[J.C. O'Connell]

yeah the best CDs on the best CD gear are very good, maybe even
excellent sounding,
but if you use those adjectives for CD, the best vinyl repro goes beyond
that, into
exquisite, sublime, and truly phenomenal territory. No matter how you
describe
it, LP at its best is still an audible notch above the best CD sound...

Its like the difference between very happy and delighted or delighted
and ecstatic. Whatever you call the CD base, the LP ascension is still
even better, and to a real emotional degree, not some sort of technical
only on paper theoretical folly.

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From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
Tim Bray
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 4:19 PM
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Subject: Re: OT: Vinyl vs. Digital


You know, I don't want to get into excessive enablement, but it really
does seem to be true that the more you invest in your LP playback gear,
the better it sounds, and high-end turntables are among the purest
engineering poetry.  For some eye candy I recommend a visit to
http://recordplayer.com/ - I have an S-9 and when people want to hear
what all the fuss is, I put on an early-60s Kingston Trio record, in
mono, and play "Go Bum Again" and people just melt visibly.

Having said that, I would add, speaking as a deranged sicko audiophile,
that these days, high-quality CD sound is really very good indeed; as
good as any recorded medium you can buy.  It's just that, first of all,
there's a lot of fine music out there that you just can't get except on
vinyl, and secondly, mainstream commercial recordings of most eras are
designed to sound good on car radios. There are artists who insist on
audiophile recording techniques (Neil Young, Cowboy Junkies, White
Stripes) but they're in a minority.  If you want your heart to melt, sit
down with some Cowboy Junkies in a dark room on a seriously-good
audiophile playback system.  -Tim

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Re: How can I fire a flash at 1/1000 secs?

[Anthony Farr]

As it seems that "flash synch disabled above X-synch speeds" is more
than a Pentax only situation, the ball must be in Jobo's court to find
a solution.  How about they work with the relevant companies on
firmware patches?  But that's not likely because I reckon they'd just
get stonewalled by the companies, being a third party
supplier/competitor.

Pressing the "hint" button seems the simplest fix, but the disruption
of attention to shooting would drive me crazy.  Isn't there any other
connection/outlet where a camera provides an impulse coincident with
exposure?  Perfect X-synch isn't essential, just any impulse or
circuit closure that is repeatably and predictably close to exposure
that could be used to kludge a relay, and that could be accessed
without "doing a Cotty" on your cameras.  A battery pack connection or
a usb port for instance.

But to me, the ideal solution, which Jobo should have investigated and
followed, would have been to make the GPS unit in an SCA-3xxx version
that could spoof the camera into believing it was mounted with a high
speed flash.  Someone with some electronic nous could even kludge up a
homebrew "magic box" on an SCA-3xxx module to generate a dummy X-synch
where the camera refuses to provide one in the absence of an actual
high speed flashgun.

A second best but much simpler solution would be a "soft shutter
release" style extended shutter button, over the camera's original
shutter button, that had a set of contacts inside and a PC flash
outlet connected to a remote hotshoe.  You'd get some false GPS fixes
where photos are considered then not actually taken, but it would
eliminate the need to seperately press the "hint" button.  This
solution would need to synch on "button up" to avoid electronic
disturbance from camera to GPS.

OK then, the ideas are out there if anyone cares to run with them.

regards, Anthony

   "Of what use is lens and light
to those who lack in mind and sight"
   (Anon)



2009/11/15 Godfrey DiGiorgi :
> only way I can think of:
>
> - install an HSS capable flash on camera, set up for HSS operation.
> - put the GPS device on a flash slave
>
> You'll be able to use the full range of shutter speeds.
> First burn will trip the slave and trigger the GPS unit.
>
> Kinda clumsy, I agree, but it's the same situation with my panasonic
> bodies. They only allow higher than 1/160 second for flash with an HSS
> flash fitted.
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RE: OT: Vinyl vs. Digital - the "all vinyl is noisy" myth, , exposedin video

[John Sessoms]

Reading for comprehension doesn't seem to be your strong suit.

From: "J.C. O'Connell"
And NOPE the limiting factor in nearly all cases for 
vinyl playback quality isnt the record, its nearly always
the turntable/tonearm/cartridge setup. 



-Original Message-
From: John Sessoms


PS: FWIW, I do have the "right" equipment, Pioneer PL-L1000a tangential 
tracking turntable going into a Onkyo receiver and output to a quality 
set of Yamaha speakers. I can't remember what the cartridge is, but it 
cost almost as much as the turntable.




Turntable ran about $700 back in the late 70s. Cartridge mounted on it 
was about $500. It should be adequate, even all these years later.


Hope so, 'cause I got other things I'd rather spend the money on now-a-days.

The limiting factor for vinyl is the quality of all those old records, 
which went to a lot of parties while I was in my teens & twenties. They 
came through the 60s & 70s in just about the same shape I did ... even 
after taking 'em to an audiophile record shop to have them specially 
cleaned and sleeved at $20 a pop.




Maybe you never got invited to a party; never had anyone want you to 
bring your records over.


But, you get a bunch of people together drinkin', dancin' and carryin' 
on, sometimes the records can get a little shopworn.


When that happens, the best turntable in the world won't undo the 
scratches and spilled beer.


Don't see any reason to replace them at this late date. The ones I 
really needed to save I took to that "audiophile" shop, got 'em cleaned 
and sleeved ... then ripped 'em to CD so I could listen to the music 
without further wear and tear on the vinyl.




PPS: The "phile" in audiophile is short for "philistine".


Bottom line is your's is not the only acceptable way. What floats your 
boat is fine for you.


I'm going to do my own thing.

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Re: GESO - Pacific Northwest Eye candy

[Joseph McAllister]

On Nov 14, 2009, at 13:40 , Tim Bray wrote:


On the islands around Vancouver you don't get much sun this time of
year, but when you do, wow are the mountains ever pretty:
http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2009/11/14/CL-Closing-Up



Lovely shots, nice prose. And so close to me...

A cousin of mine from Phoenix, Annalisa Wagoner, was hired a few weeks  
ago to help with the games starting Dec. 1. She's only 23, but already  
a large sports event organizer and team spokesperson. And a very  
pretty blonde. Keep an eye out for her around Vancouver.  :-)



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RE: Peso: music makers

[John Sessoms]

From: "Bob W"

> >
> > mean, I love the puns but I'd also like ya to look at da picture -- 
> > and perhaps even suggest what "brand" may be on the objects.

> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/ylhof4q
> 
> Do you mean "brand" as in the brand of guitars?  The biggest 
> one in the front looks like it could be a Gibson ES 335, 
> except that the pickguard is missing (you can see a screw 
> hole where it used to be) and the mother-of-pearl inlays on 
> the fingerboard don't look like original Gibson, so it may be 
> an imitation Gibson.
> 
> The three guitars behind it (the blue, cream and red-yellow 
> sunburst coloured ones) are Gibson Les Pauls or imitation Les 
> Pauls.  Judging by the long distance between the bridge and 
> end-piece (which you can't even see) of the cream one, it's 
> not a genuine Les Paul, unless it's been modified.  Les Pauls 
> are oft-imitated, being (along with the Fender Stratocaster) 
> the pre-eminent rock guitar since the birth of rock and roll.
> 
> I can't tell you what the other instruments in the window are.
> 


It's what musicians call 'a banjo'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrlqQ1_vZVE


But do you know what "Perfect Pitch" means?












wait for it











It's when you throw an accordion into a dumpster and it lands on a banjo.

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Re: Peso: music makers

[John Sessoms]

From: frank theriault

On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 7:44 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

> damn ?I picked up on dave's pun and now the link for the pic went missing!
> here it is...
>
> mean, I love the puns but I'd also like ya to look at da picture -- and
> perhaps even
> suggest what "brand" may be on the objects.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/ylhof4q


Do you mean "brand" as in the brand of guitars?  The biggest one in
the front looks like it could be a Gibson ES 335, except that the
pickguard is missing (you can see a screw hole where it used to be)
and the mother-of-pearl inlays on the fingerboard don't look like
original Gibson, so it may be an imitation Gibson.



Gibson did make some ES-335 models with the rectangle inlays (but not 
the slashed kind shown). You can see a screw hole where the pick guard 
was removed.


But, the pickups are WRONG, WRONG, WRONG! Gibson pickups would be 
similar to the sunburst "Les Paul" behind it.


Definitely a knock-off and likely one of the cheaper ones.

The cream colored "Les Paul" and the sunburst "Les Paul" are almost 
certainly knock-offs as well. The cream one also has the wrong pickups 
and a wrong pick guard; the sunburst is just too cheap to be Gibson, 
even in their lowest, most degraded quality control early 80s period 
(think Harley-Davidson just before AMF sold them).


All of the "Les Paul" guitars look like knock-offs, unless the black one 
on the right hand edge is genuine ... which I doubt.



The three guitars behind it (the blue, cream and red-yellow sunburst
coloured ones) are Gibson Les Pauls or imitation Les Pauls.  Judging
by the long distance between the bridge and end-piece (which you can't
even see) of the cream one, it's not a genuine Les Paul, unless it's
been modified.  Les Pauls are oft-imitated, being (along with the
Fender Stratocaster) the pre-eminent rock guitar since the birth of
rock and roll.

I can't tell you what the other instruments in the window are.


The guitar on the far left is a Danelectro Longhorn bass, probably a 
reissue from the 90s.


http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/0/8/9/584089.jpg

Behind that is a banjo.

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Re: OT: Vinyl vs. Digital

[Joseph McAllister]

On Nov 14, 2009, at 13:19 , Tim Bray wrote:


If
you want your heart to melt, sit down with some Cowboy Junkies in a
dark room on a seriously-good audiophile playback system.  -Tim


or Lucinda WIlliams, Willie Nelson, Leonard Cohen. All perfectionists.

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Re: OT: Vinyl vs. Digital - the "all vinyl is noisy" myth, exposed in video

[Joseph McAllister]

To me, the bottom line is a cost over time ratio.

Most newcomers (last 10-20 years) to the realm of audio systems are  
going for "Home Theater" setups. Unless you are showing 35-70mm film  
(audio not so good) you are looking at a digitally based system, with  
digital sourcing. 20 years ago that was Laserdiscs and rear projection  
TV up to 60". I have boxes of Laserdiscs. I love them. Now it's Blue- 
Ray DVDs and either digital projectors or 60" LCD TVs. Prices vary,  
but the point is these folks "for the most part" are not going for  
"perfect sound", but loud sound. Surround sound (inherently noisy).  
They may spend $50,000 to $500,000 on a room and electronics, and  
approach good sound (s). But they do not get there, at  
least not to the levels to which JC refers.


Regarding my first sentence. The improvement in performance of a sonic  
system is inversely proportional to the amount of money you throw at  
it. The degree of improvement diminishes per dollar spent once you  
pass a certain ever-changing point. Most would be very happy with a  
$10,000 to $50,000 system. To improve on the $50k system would take  
another $10-20k. The cost of the system I listened to in California  
for almost two years escalated from about $80k when I arrived to well  
over $125k by the time I left.  The $30k Sound Lab Millenium speakers  
were replaced with $42k Sound Lab Majestic speakers.


The cabling, all of it, was replaced with custom built cables costing  
up to $300 ft, depending on the signal. Audiophile friends would drive  
500 miles to spend a weekend at the ranch to audition the system. Each  
had a solution for what they perceived was some subtle fault in the  
staging, highs, lows, voicing, etc.. Bundles of hand crafted circuits  
appeared and disappeared as tweeks were made to the system to do one  
thing or another to improve it. The house was rewired so the left and  
right channels each had their own physically and electronically  
isolated circuits connected to the mains. The outlets were replaced  
with custom special shielded boxes with gold plated locking sockets. A  
Marantz $7000 SA 7S1 SACD player was added. The phono pre-amp and  
regular pre-amp, as well as the turntable and power amps remained the  
same, but re-tubed with some high end matched tubes, 11 per amplifier.  
The D-A converter was upgraded 3 times to improve the sound of the  
iTunes player on the Mac Mini. As you can see, it is never ending,  
ongoing chase for the perfect sound. Never achievable, but each step  
an (almost or sometimes) improvement over yesterdays sound.


If it were my money, I probably could have heard the minute  
incremental improvements the system produced. But it wasn't mine, and  
with the exception of the speakers, I was straining to hear any. No A- 
B baby. Just Leonard Cohen and some opera and some live jazz, all  
direct to disk at 33 or 45 rpm.


With the exception of a couple of recent years in the presence of a  
$100,000 plus system, my last 20 years have been in the company of a  
$20,000 system in 1989 prices. Since purchased, I've not had any one  
close to me die and leave me the money to take it any further, other  
than the addition of a Denon DVD and a second and third Laserdisc  
player. Nor have I had a place to set it up again until last year, and  
that space is still full of stuff to be gotten rid of or sold  
(darkrooms, studios, and books no longer needed). Unitil that happens,  
I listen to my music on my iTouch when on the move, inside or outside,  
where the choice of earbuds determines the sound you hear, or from  
iTunes on my Mac to a pair of Apple Design speakers that fail  
miserably on the low end. My computer sub is still packed somewhere  
downstairs.


And I'm happy with what I hear, knowing the limitations of what I am  
listening through. I can wait for my "big" system to be set up again,  
though I'd better hurry, as time rushes on, and I approach my own  
terminal velocity in life somewhere in the future, 10, 20, but not 30  
years in the future. Everything has been unpacked. Just no place to  
set it up and sit in my new easy chair to listen to it.


Unfortunately, my sub was not THX certified, and after listening to a  
THX Laserdisc at a nik too great an spl 3 years ago, is now awaiting a  
new surround, very hard to find for an analog driven Velodyne 18"  
unit. As soon as I can gather the $300 just to ship the driver to  
florida and back, the repair is only $50. A newer better digitally  
driven unit (both have servo control) starts at a $2500 price point.


To JC, and perhaps some others who enjoy this hobby (?) I'm just a  
bottom feeder. Except for the initial investment, every addition has  
been with used gear to fill in gaps as technology grows.



On Nov 14, 2009, at 11:44 , J.C. O'Connell wrote:


well if you don't have or want to buy the right
playback equipment, fine, but don't argue that
CD or MP3 is a best format for sound quali

GESO - Pacific Northwest Eye candy

[Tim Bray]

On the islands around Vancouver you don't get much sun this time of
year, but when you do, wow are the mountains ever pretty:
http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2009/11/14/CL-Closing-Up

K20, 50-135 except for the third, which is the ancient Tokina SL-400.
You might want to scroll down and enlarge the last, particularly tasty
eye candy I think.  -T

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Re: PESO - Moss II (Color)

[Tim Bray]

On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 6:28 AM,   wrote:
> This probably isn't moss either. :-) I found it  rather interesting. Once I
> got closer and closer to it, it was like short, very  curly  hair.
>
> http://www.mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/moss2c.htm

I like that one, the textures tickle my eyes.  -T

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Re: BNSF

[steve harley]

On 2009-11-14 10:39 , Joseph McAllister wrote:

That's your email program recognizing a link by it's http:// signature
and formatting it appropriately. If you had your email software set to
ONLY see text, it would leave it as plain text, I think.


not so -- there is no standard that requires it, but many (most?) common 
email clients will do a decent job recognizing URLs when they are sent 
as plain text for example this: http://example.com


many clients will fumble when those URLs cross a linebreak; if the 
sender uses angle brackets that should solve the problem for receiving 
email client that are standards-compliant


some clients will try to automatically turn a raw URL into a link if you 
are sending HTML ("rich text") mail, but if they do a good job, they'll 
also send a "plain-text alternative" of the same message (via a mode 
called "MIME multipart") and the receiving email client can choose which 
one to display; some senders fail to send a plain-text alternative, and 
some receiving clients set to read only the plain-text part (e.g. 
Thunderbird) will then attempt to convert the HTML to plain text, with 
mixed results


if this listserv were smart (maybe it is, i don't know), it would accept 
MIME multipart messages and forward only the plain text portion; this 
would then inconvenience only those senders whose email clients fail to 
send a plain-text alternative



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Re: PESO corset and lace

[Tim Bray]

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 5:26 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> I had a fun photo shoot tonight. It started out with some portraits
> for her to send to her family, then she wanted some of her in her
> corset. I quite like this one of her in a corset and frilly panties:

That one made me grin ear-to-ear.  Really outstanding - thanks. -T

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Off camera lighting question

[John Sessoms]

From: David J Brooks

Hi gang. I'm sure there will be more than one answer/comment but i'm
interested in your input on this.

Because of the family wedding i'm doing next July, i went out and
bought a second Nikon SB800 flash, one to have a spare
and two, to use as an off camera, wireless fill light. Paid just as
mush for the used one as i did for the new one.  :-( 


Any way, i now have some portrait shots lined up for two of my
Managers at the bus company. They have seen a lot of my
photos and asked if i could do some boyfriend/girlfriend and or
husband and wife stuff. I want to get better at this, so i have
agreed.

Now, the question(s) are this.

If i'm doing this inside their homes, (and i don't have any
backdrops), i was thinking of having both flashes set up on tripods at
45 degree angles and use the pop up as commander. Do you think this is
a good way to start or would it be better to have one light on the
angle and use an on camera speed light as the master.


The "standard" multi-light setup I learned is the main light off to one 
side [45 deg H/45 deg V] with the fill from behind the camera.


I really like this guy's how-to videos on You Tube. I think they're very 
informative.


http://www.youtube.com/user/prophotolife#p/u/20/uH84-pA7p-c
http://www.youtube.com/user/prophotolife#p/a/197F9921FE5C5570/0/wjOChmOVBm4

They're also available here: http://www.prophotolife.com/

For what you're looking for, I'd start with episodes 12, 13 & 14.

He shows you how he's setting it up and then shows you how it affects 
the results.


He's got a whole lot more videos that go into studio setup, shooting 
outdoors, how to make your own stuff, some photoshop magic and how to 
get the most from the equipment you've already got.




When i did the family Simpson photos in August, it was cloudy and i
used one flash on the camera with the supplied softbox as fill and it
seemed to give the photos a slight "punch", so i want to utilize this
for the portraits. My safety manager, the one that helped me in my
quest to get my old run back, has a nice cottage style house, painted
white and red on about 10 acres with a nice hard wood bush in the
back. I figure the dual fill flash would be helpful here to help add
some "punch". They also ride motorcycles so i thought maybe a few with
the bikes.

I;ll try some inside and out side of their home, just looking for
suggestions from the portrait crowd and those that use off camera
flash.

I' will be practising here, and will have a look at Stroblist.


Strobist?

http://strobist.blogspot.com/

It's another really good site, although you may have to spend a while 
digging through the archives to find what you want right now.


You might also want to take a look at Dean Collins' Tinker Tubes:

http://www.software-cinema.com/page/13/tinkertubes

And then on to Software Cinema's other offerings.

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Re: OT: Vinyl vs. Digital

[Tim Bray]

You know, I don't want to get into excessive enablement, but it really
does seem to be true that the more you invest in your LP playback
gear, the better it sounds, and high-end turntables are among the
purest engineering poetry.  For some eye candy I recommend a visit to
http://recordplayer.com/ - I have an S-9 and when people want to hear
what all the fuss is, I put on an early-60s Kingston Trio record, in
mono, and play "Go Bum Again" and people just melt visibly.

Having said that, I would add, speaking as a deranged sicko
audiophile, that these days, high-quality CD sound is really very good
indeed; as good as any recorded medium you can buy.  It's just that,
first of all, there's a lot of fine music out there that you just
can't get except on vinyl, and secondly, mainstream commercial
recordings of most eras are designed to sound good on car radios.
There are artists who insist on audiophile recording techniques (Neil
Young, Cowboy Junkies, White Stripes) but they're in a minority.  If
you want your heart to melt, sit down with some Cowboy Junkies in a
dark room on a seriously-good audiophile playback system.  -Tim

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David Burnett - How I Got That Shot of Ayatollah Khomeini

[Derby Chang]

David Burnett has a slideshow over at slate.com this week. New book out too

http://www.slate.com/id/2234851/


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Re: PESO: BNSF

[Sandra Hermann]

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> 
> Cleaned it up and re-wrapped it a couple of times adding
> line feeds so I could figure out what it says. Seems like
> it's pasting the link twice with no space.
Yes the links are close.  I"ll try to figure out how to change them later, I 
have to go put my top on my jeep now :(  
> 
> You're also using some character that translates into a
> question mark in plain text.

I'll work on this later also. 

> 
> As to the PESO, it's a good photo. Almost makes it look
> real ... except there's not enough dirt and grime on it.
> 
> You never see an engine that clean, not even right out of
> the shop.

I'm working on that too.  Dad is a perfectionist.  We call him aunt Bee when it 
comes to cleaning.  LOL  I am not sure the model trains ever get dirty.  We 
were on a garden tour and he had me out there with a q-tip cleaning them.  It 
was nuts!

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Re: How can I fire a flsh at 1/1000 secs?

[John Sessoms]

From: David J Brooks

On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 4:00 AM, eckinator  wrote:

>
> Steven Wright once noted that "there's a fine line between fishing and
> standing on the shore looking like an idiot"


He also said:"How do you know when yogurt goes bad."


If you open the container and something starts trying to climb out of 
it, that might be a clue.


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Re: OT: Vinyl vs. Digital

[John Sessoms]

From: Joseph McAllister

>> PS. if your sound system and recordings are right, the people
>> WILL stop talking and start listening, its called capivating.
>> That?s what great sound and music does...
>
>
> No, it's not, JC. It's called captivating.
>

Are you sure it's not "cavitating"?

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RE: OT: Vinyl vs. Digital - the "all vinyl is noisy" myth, exposed in video

[J.C. O'Connell]

well if you don't have or want to buy the right
playback equipment, fine, but don't argue that
CD or MP3 is a best format for sound quality.
Its not, its cheaper or possibly better value
at low sound quality but that's not the same
as best sounding recording format.

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Tom C
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 2:35 PM
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exposed in video


Exactly right.



> What about if you DON'T have the right equipment? You have to decide 
> if you want to spend the money on audiophile stereo equipment ... or 
> do you want to spend it on something else?
>
> Someone was bandying about the number $2500 for a good vinyl 
> reproduction system. Gotta' consider what else you might want to spend

> $2500 on if you already have a good enough CD audio system?
>
> Again, it all comes down to recognizing when good enough is good 
> enough.
>



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RE: OT: Vinyl vs. Digital - the "all vinyl is noisy" myth, exposedin video

[J.C. O'Connell]

I clearly stated in the video annotations that the
video sound quality is very poor (low res digital, noisy, echoed,
and distorted due to cheap mike on videocam) , but its good enough
to show that not all vinyl has easily audible ticks and pops
like so many people that don't own vinyl like to claim
when arguning that CD is better or just plain forgot what normal
clean records sounded like because they havent owned a record
or turntable in decades.

And NOPE the limiting factor in nearly all cases for 
vinyl playback quality isnt the record, its nearly always
the turntable/tonearm/cartridge setup. A $100 setup
doesn't sound as good as a $1000, which doesn't sound
as good as $10,000 which doesn't sound as good as
a $100,000 phono setup. The records themselves are
acutally generally fantastic recordings, even many very old ones,
the limiting factor is the phono player in nearly
all cases. This is good though, its up the the listener
to decide how far to take it, its not limited by the
record and there is nothing the listener can do about it
no matter how much he tries. That would be very bad
situation. The situation is great which is why so
many music fans still use vinyl to this day. It can
go beyond CD sound if you choose to. 

The bottom line with vinyl vs CD is that you have
to hear both with a really good high resolution
playback system. the better the playback system gets,
the more difference you hear between vinyl and CD
and eventually as the vinyl player gets good enough
it leaves CD in the dust for good. But with mediorce systems
and mediocre LP players, the difference is minimal
and could even favor CD if the vinyl player
is just really really cheap crap. Forget about
bad condition records or poorly mastered CDs, that's
not the point or a fair comparison of the formats.
the only fair comparison is comparing the BEST LP
with the BEST CD using the BEST LP players and CD
players and doing that comparison with a really high
end playback system. Only then can you hear the
real limitationso of each format and decide which
is better, (hint - CD isnt the winner ).

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John Sessoms
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 2:22 PM
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: RE: OT: Vinyl vs. Digital - the "all vinyl is noisy" myth,
exposedin video


From: "J.C. O'Connell"
> I forgot I had this turntable demo video online. I don't hear no 
> stinkin scratches, tics, or pops on this demo video (not even one):
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lnqv2XjZVYs
> 
> (turn on your video annotations if not already)

OTOH, there's an audible hiss throughout the video ... present even 
before the record starts. I expect that's from the amplifier/speaker 
combination he's using, although it may be an artifact of his video 
recording setup.

The thread seems to have gotten hung up in an argument over "good 
enough" and a demand for perfection ... well, not only a demand for 
perfection, but a demand that everyone else recognize the "perfection" 
of one viewpoint over all others.

Vinyl can sound damn good if you have the right equipment.

So can CD audio. There are a lot of variables involved. Good quality, 
well maintained CDs sound better than bad quality, poorly cared for
vinyl.

I expect there's a whole lot more of the latter than there is of the
former.

And digital audio is a lot more convenient when you just want background

music while you have to do something else.

What about if you DON'T have the right equipment? You have to decide if 
you want to spend the money on audiophile stereo equipment ... or do you

want to spend it on something else?

Someone was bandying about the number $2500 for a good vinyl 
reproduction system. Gotta' consider what else you might want to spend 
$2500 on if you already have a good enough CD audio system?

Again, it all comes down to recognizing when good enough is good enough.

PS: FWIW, I do have the "right" equipment, Pioneer PL-L1000a tangential 
tracking turntable going into a Onkyo receiver and output to a quality 
set of Yamaha speakers. I can't remember what the cartridge is, but it 
cost almost as much as the turntable.

The limiting factor for vinyl is the quality of all those old records, 
which went to a lot of parties while I was in my teens & twenties. They 
came through the 60s & 70s in just about the same shape I did ... even 
after taking 'em to an audiophile record shop to have them specially 
cleaned and sleeved at $20 a pop.

PPS: The "phile" in audiophile is short for "philistine".


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Re: PESO: BNSF

[John Sessoms]

From: gldnbearz

Your links run together, making it hard to click on them.  I have to
highlight, copy, & paste to make the URL work.  Just FYI.

On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 9:07 PM, Sandra Hermann  wrote:

I took a picture of my model train the other day. ?It was a nice
day out so I put the train on the track and played around.

Help me support Autism research!? Join my team!??
http://www.walknowforautism.org/stlouis/blubiconsbuddies
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>> http://stampmine.blogspot.com/

Cleaned it up and re-wrapped it a couple of times adding line feeds so I 
could figure out what it says. Seems like it's pasting the link twice 
with no space.


You're also using some character that translates into a question mark in 
plain text.


As to the PESO, it's a good photo. Almost makes it look real ... except 
there's not enough dirt and grime on it.


You never see an engine that clean, not even right out of the shop.

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Re: OT: Vinyl vs. Digital - the "all vinyl is noisy" myth, exposed in video

[Tom C]

Exactly right.



> What about if you DON'T have the right equipment? You have to decide if you
> want to spend the money on audiophile stereo equipment ... or do you want to
> spend it on something else?
>
> Someone was bandying about the number $2500 for a good vinyl reproduction
> system. Gotta' consider what else you might want to spend $2500 on if you
> already have a good enough CD audio system?
>
> Again, it all comes down to recognizing when good enough is good enough.
>



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RE: OT: Vinyl vs. Digital - the "all vinyl is noisy" myth, exposed in video

[John Sessoms]

From: "J.C. O'Connell"

I forgot I had this turntable demo video online. I don't hear no stinkin
scratches,
tics, or pops on this demo video (not even one):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lnqv2XjZVYs

(turn on your video annotations if not already)


OTOH, there's an audible hiss throughout the video ... present even 
before the record starts. I expect that's from the amplifier/speaker 
combination he's using, although it may be an artifact of his video 
recording setup.


The thread seems to have gotten hung up in an argument over "good 
enough" and a demand for perfection ... well, not only a demand for 
perfection, but a demand that everyone else recognize the "perfection" 
of one viewpoint over all others.


Vinyl can sound damn good if you have the right equipment.

So can CD audio. There are a lot of variables involved. Good quality, 
well maintained CDs sound better than bad quality, poorly cared for vinyl.


I expect there's a whole lot more of the latter than there is of the former.

And digital audio is a lot more convenient when you just want background 
music while you have to do something else.


What about if you DON'T have the right equipment? You have to decide if 
you want to spend the money on audiophile stereo equipment ... or do you 
want to spend it on something else?


Someone was bandying about the number $2500 for a good vinyl 
reproduction system. Gotta' consider what else you might want to spend 
$2500 on if you already have a good enough CD audio system?


Again, it all comes down to recognizing when good enough is good enough.

PS: FWIW, I do have the "right" equipment, Pioneer PL-L1000a tangential 
tracking turntable going into a Onkyo receiver and output to a quality 
set of Yamaha speakers. I can't remember what the cartridge is, but it 
cost almost as much as the turntable.


The limiting factor for vinyl is the quality of all those old records, 
which went to a lot of parties while I was in my teens & twenties. They 
came through the 60s & 70s in just about the same shape I did ... even 
after taking 'em to an audiophile record shop to have them specially 
cleaned and sleeved at $20 a pop.


PPS: The "phile" in audiophile is short for "philistine".


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Re: Pentax Kids! or November PUG is up

[eckinator]

>> 2009/11/13 Scott Loveless :
>>> Next month's is "Film".  Liberal interpretation allowed for those of
>>> you without a proper camera.

Does that include scans of slides, i.e. transparency film?
Cheers
Ecke

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3rd party battery for K-7? Zeikos LI-90?

[Igor Roshchin]

Hi All,

What is the current wisdom on the 3rd-party batteries for K-7?


I see that buydig.com (and Beach Camera) offers 
"Zeikos LI-90 2800mAh Replacement Lithium Battery for Pentax K7 "
http://www.buydig.com/shop/product.aspx?sku=ZELI90

It seems to have higher capacity (2800 mAh vs. Pentax D-Li90's 1860 mAh)
but it also lists the voltage of 3.7 V instead of 7.2 V of the one
from Pentax. It might be a typo. (Their customer service is closed now.)
However, - I didn't find this battery to appear anywhere else.

Do you know any other 3rd party batteries for K-7?

Thank you,

Igor


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Re: Peso: music makers

[ann sanfedele]

hehe
Bob, I kinda think he knew _that_

I saw Lester Flatt and Earl Scruggs in person years ago..

nice clip

ann

frank theriault wrote:


On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Bob W  wrote:


 


It's what musicians call 'a banjo'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrlqQ1_vZVE
   



Ahhh, I see...

cheers,
frank



 





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Re: Peso: music makers

[frank theriault]

On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Bob W  wrote:


> It's what musicians call 'a banjo'.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrlqQ1_vZVE

Ahhh, I see...

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RE: Peso: music makers

[Bob W]

> >
> > mean, I love the puns but I'd also like ya to look at da picture -- 
> > and perhaps even suggest what "brand" may be on the objects.
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/ylhof4q
> 
> Do you mean "brand" as in the brand of guitars?  The biggest 
> one in the front looks like it could be a Gibson ES 335, 
> except that the pickguard is missing (you can see a screw 
> hole where it used to be) and the mother-of-pearl inlays on 
> the fingerboard don't look like original Gibson, so it may be 
> an imitation Gibson.
> 
> The three guitars behind it (the blue, cream and red-yellow 
> sunburst coloured ones) are Gibson Les Pauls or imitation Les 
> Pauls.  Judging by the long distance between the bridge and 
> end-piece (which you can't even see) of the cream one, it's 
> not a genuine Les Paul, unless it's been modified.  Les Pauls 
> are oft-imitated, being (along with the Fender Stratocaster) 
> the pre-eminent rock guitar since the birth of rock and roll.
> 
> I can't tell you what the other instruments in the window are.
> 

It's what musicians call 'a banjo'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrlqQ1_vZVE



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RE: Peso: music makers

[Bob W]

Why would it get you in trouble?

> 
> Yup thats exactly what I meant...
> I  think I made sure you couldnt' see a name on them so I 
> could put it on cafepress and not get in trouble. :-)
> 
> thanks, Frank
> 
> ann
> 
> frank theriault wrote:
> 
> >On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 7:44 PM, ann sanfedele 
>  wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>damn  I picked up on dave's pun and now the link for the 
> pic went missing!
> >>here it is...
> >>
> >>mean, I love the puns but I'd also like ya to look at da picture -- 
> >>and perhaps even suggest what "brand" may be on the objects.
> >>
> >>http://tinyurl.com/ylhof4q
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Do you mean "brand" as in the brand of guitars?  The biggest 
> one in the 
> >front looks like it could be a Gibson ES 335, except that 
> the pickguard 
> >is missing (you can see a screw hole where it used to be) and the 
> >mother-of-pearl inlays on the fingerboard don't look like original 
> >Gibson, so it may be an imitation Gibson.
> >
> >The three guitars behind it (the blue, cream and red-yellow sunburst 
> >coloured ones) are Gibson Les Pauls or imitation Les Pauls.  
> Judging by 
> >the long distance between the bridge and end-piece (which you can't 
> >even see) of the cream one, it's not a genuine Les Paul, unless it's 
> >been modified.  Les Pauls are oft-imitated, being (along with the 
> >Fender Stratocaster) the pre-eminent rock guitar since the birth of 
> >rock and roll.
> >
> >I can't tell you what the other instruments in the window are.
> >
> >cheers,
> >frank
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
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Re: Peso: music makers

[ann sanfedele]

Yup thats exactly what I meant...
I  think I made sure you couldnt' see a name on them so I could put it 
on cafepress and not get in trouble. :-)


thanks, Frank

ann

frank theriault wrote:


On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 7:44 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
 


damn  I picked up on dave's pun and now the link for the pic went missing!
here it is...

mean, I love the puns but I'd also like ya to look at da picture -- and
perhaps even
suggest what "brand" may be on the objects.

http://tinyurl.com/ylhof4q
   



Do you mean "brand" as in the brand of guitars?  The biggest one in
the front looks like it could be a Gibson ES 335, except that the
pickguard is missing (you can see a screw hole where it used to be)
and the mother-of-pearl inlays on the fingerboard don't look like
original Gibson, so it may be an imitation Gibson.

The three guitars behind it (the blue, cream and red-yellow sunburst
coloured ones) are Gibson Les Pauls or imitation Les Pauls.  Judging
by the long distance between the bridge and end-piece (which you can't
even see) of the cream one, it's not a genuine Les Paul, unless it's
been modified.  Les Pauls are oft-imitated, being (along with the
Fender Stratocaster) the pre-eminent rock guitar since the birth of
rock and roll.

I can't tell you what the other instruments in the window are.

cheers,
frank


 





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Re: Peso: music makers

[frank theriault]

On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 7:44 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> damn  I picked up on dave's pun and now the link for the pic went missing!
> here it is...
>
> mean, I love the puns but I'd also like ya to look at da picture -- and
> perhaps even
> suggest what "brand" may be on the objects.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/ylhof4q

Do you mean "brand" as in the brand of guitars?  The biggest one in
the front looks like it could be a Gibson ES 335, except that the
pickguard is missing (you can see a screw hole where it used to be)
and the mother-of-pearl inlays on the fingerboard don't look like
original Gibson, so it may be an imitation Gibson.

The three guitars behind it (the blue, cream and red-yellow sunburst
coloured ones) are Gibson Les Pauls or imitation Les Pauls.  Judging
by the long distance between the bridge and end-piece (which you can't
even see) of the cream one, it's not a genuine Les Paul, unless it's
been modified.  Les Pauls are oft-imitated, being (along with the
Fender Stratocaster) the pre-eminent rock guitar since the birth of
rock and roll.

I can't tell you what the other instruments in the window are.

cheers,
frank


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Re: BNSF

[Joseph McAllister]

On Nov 14, 2009, at 07:13 , P N Stenquist wrote:

PDML  only accepts plain text (ASCII text). If you had the link  
"active"
(blue and  underlined) it may have been stripped out. Be sure to  
format your

email as plain  text before you send it to PDML.

I have AOL mail, which normally is a  rich text format. When  
sending to
PDML, I have to: write my email, then select  all and compose as  
plain text,

each time I post. It's easy to forget to  do.

It means we have to copy the link and paste it into our browsers,   
rather

than click it, but that's PDML.


I get live links in PDML plain text messages.
Paul


That's your email program recognizing a link by it's http:// signature  
and formatting it appropriately. If you had your email software set to  
ONLY see text, it would leave it as plain text, I think.


If it doesn’t excite you,
This thing that you see,
Why in the world,
Would it excite me?
—Jay Maisel

Joseph McAllister
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Re: PESO - Two More from Miami

[ann sanfedele]

Rick Womer wrote:


From: Christine Aguila 
Subject: Re: PESO - Two More from Miami
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 12:54 AM
I like boat rental--unusual &
intriguing.  Dusk at Miami Beach looks a 
little grainy on my monitor and the focus seems a bit

soft--maybe it's my  bad eyes or the low light situation :-).  It's a nice
subject though. 
   


Cheers, Christine

- Original Message - 
From: "Rick Womer" 

Subject: PESO - Two More from Miami


Dusk at Miami Beach:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10169976&size=lg
Boat Rental:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10169978&size=lg
(Both K10D, DA 16-45)

Rick

 


 ann writes=
Rick - I definitely prefer the  first one... very evocative of  the feel 
of the place... tres Miami Vice :-)  I like it a lot. I tried to see the 
exif data  but apparently either you "saved for the web" or the site 
blocks that stuff...
My guess is you were shooting at 1600  to produce the grain/softness 
Christine objects to, that, and the low

light...

ann





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Re: Off camera lighting question

[George Sinos]

Dave - there are some outstanding classes on off camera flash
photography at Kelbytraining.com.

It's not free, about $25/month.  You can watch as little or as much as
you want in a month.  The first three lessons in each class are free.
That makes it fairly easy to determine if you want to spend the money.

The instructors are people like Joe McNally, David Zisser and others.
The new classes on taking high school portraits are very good basic
lighting courses.

The price is discounted for NAPP members.

GS

-
George Sinos

gsi...@att.net
www.georgesphotos.net

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Re: OT: Vinyl vs. Digital

[Tom C]

You don't have to agree. No one cares at this point.

Now that I've 'rediscovered' the joys of vinyl plackback on a 25-yr
old turntable w/$60 cartridge  a $31 25-yr old Kenwood amp, and a $100
pair of 25-yr old B&W speakers, you'd tell me I really haven't heard
the music until I heard it on a $10K turntable hooked up to who know's
what.  That'll never happen, just like most peope won't start
listening to vinyl LP's again.  In fact that's just too eliteist for
me.  Right now one cannot buy a brand new turntable that has the specs
and likely longevity of a 70's/80's Technics DD turntable for under
$1000, unless it's one several models that Technics still manufactures
for DJ's.And it gets to be a case of diminishing returns.  Paying more
for something does not usually make it better by the same degree.

Everyone that enjoys music enjoys it on their own terms.  I don't have
to go to the Louvre and see the Mona Lisa in person to know that it's
a great painting or see 1st-generation Ansel Adams prints to
appreciate his work. The same goes for music.  When I was in grade
school all I had was a GE AM-band clock radio to listen to.  That did
not stop me from enjoying music and my enjoyment was not diminished
then OR now, by knowing something better was out there that I was
missing.

Tom

On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 2:23 AM, J.C. O'Connell  wrote:
> No, I don't agree, just like you, too many people assume that
> their music is "fine" and they THINK they are enjoying it to
> the max, but they are simply mistaken, that it CAN sound better
> and they COULD enjoy it even more. I speak on absolute terms
> on some things because sometimes they are absolute. The very best analog
> records ARE better sounding/more realistic sounding/higher
> fidelity than the very best CDs or MP3s. That's not just an opinion
> of mine, it's a consensus of most audio experts so I don't present it as
> an opinion, its closer to a matter of fact.
>
> --
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> Join the CD PLAYER & DISC Discussions :
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>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> Tom C
> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 1:46 AM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: OT: Vinyl vs. Digital
>
>
> You too are right Paul.
>
> JCO... talking to you. Damn... you have a tendency to express yourself
> in very strong absolute terms which are misread my many. Understanding
> that, I totally agree with what you trying to express regarding the way
> analog music played on analog gear sounds.  I was totally blown away by
> what I heard on a 25 year old 40W/channel eBay amp ($31), a 25 year old
> set of speakers ($100), and a refurbished TT
> + cartridge ($425... I bet it can be had for far less, if careful, but
> I was insistent on a pristine example).
>
> We probably need to stop arguing the point and accept that everyone
> enjoys music on whatever media and format they hear it. :)
>
> Tom
>
> On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 7:29 PM, paul stenquist
>  wrote:
>> JCO:
>> You're right of course. But people are going to continue to try to
>> provoke you, so you might as well let it go. Paul
>> On Nov 13, 2009, at 8:27 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote:
>>
>>> it does if the music and recording is truly sublime quality, when
>>> that is lost you never even know what you missed, let alone enjoy it
>>> just as much. Music isnt just about words and beats and melodies, its
>
>>> about SOUNDS, sounds of instruments and sounds can be beautiful, when
>
>>> the sound aint right, you ARE not fully enjoying what is there for
>>> the enjoyment, no matter how many times you say you are, you cant
>>> enjoy what you cant hear.
>>>
>>> --
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>>> Join the CD PLAYER & DISC Discussions :
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>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf
>>> Of David Savage
>>> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 8:00 PM
>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>> Subject: Re: OT: Vinyl vs. Digital
>>>
>>>
>>> Ditto.
>>>
>>> The technical perfection of the recording/playback medium don't
>>> matter much compared to the "meat" of the music.
>>>
>>> On 14/11/2009, steve harley  wrote:

 On 2009-11-13 12:17 , J.C. O'Connell wrote:
>
> You wouldn't say perfect or highest possible fideility is overrated
>
> if you heard some of the worlds greatest recordings in all their
> glory.

 please don't tell me what _i'd_ say

 i've spent a lifetime enjoying a wide variety of great live music;
 while i understand fidelity and the limitations of digital (and
 analog) audio, and while i'm somewhat awed by top-notch equipment
 and its output, i have no problem with "good enough" for recorded
 music; good enough is a holis

Re: How can I fire a flash at 1/1000 secs?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

only way I can think of:

- install an HSS capable flash on camera, set up for HSS operation.
- put the GPS device on a flash slave

You'll be able to use the full range of shutter speeds.
First burn will trip the slave and trigger the GPS unit.

Kinda clumsy, I agree, but it's the same situation with my panasonic
bodies. They only allow higher than 1/160 second for flash with an HSS
flash fitted.
-- 
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Re: PESO: BNSF

[Jack Davis]

I think you did well. Intended or not, the slightly softened detail is 
appropriate.

Jack

--- On Sat, 11/14/09, Sandra Hermann  wrote:

> From: Sandra Hermann 
> Subject: Re: PESO: BNSF
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 7:58 AM
> Thanks.  I am trying to make it
> look "real"  I've come close, but I have never pulled
> it off yet.  I guess when you are playing with plastic,
> you don't have a good chance for realism. 
> 
> 
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> --- On Sat, 11/14/09, Jack Davis 
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Jack Davis 
> > Subject: Re: PESO: BNSF
> > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> > Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 7:58 AM
> > Had fun "playing" with it. Really
> > nice setting and composition!
> > 
> > Jack
> > 
> > --- On Fri, 11/13/09, Sandra Hermann 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > From: Sandra Hermann 
> > > Subject: PESO: BNSF
> > > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> > > Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 9:37 PM
> > > http://samsphotopage.blogspot.com/2009/11/bnsf.html
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Re: PESO: BNSF

[Adam Maas]

The biggest problem I see is the locomotive is it's just too clean.
I've seen some very realistic model shots (being a model railroader
myself, although in much smaller scales) but they all have one thing
in common, weathering of the equipment. RR stuff gets dirty quickly.

The other thing is you should see if you can get a lower angle, you
should be shooting slightly upwards to the locomotive for that sort of
shot as that's how it would be shot in 1:1 scale.

-Adam

On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Sandra Hermann
 wrote:
> Thanks.  I am trying to make it look "real"  I've come close, but I have 
> never pulled it off yet.  I guess when you are playing with plastic, you 
> don't have a good chance for realism.
>
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> --- On Sat, 11/14/09, Jack Davis  wrote:
>
>> From: Jack Davis 
>> Subject: Re: PESO: BNSF
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 7:58 AM
>> Had fun "playing" with it. Really
>> nice setting and composition!
>>
>> Jack
>>
>> --- On Fri, 11/13/09, Sandra Hermann 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > From: Sandra Hermann 
>> > Subject: PESO: BNSF
>> > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> > Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 9:37 PM
>> > http://samsphotopage.blogspot.com/2009/11/bnsf.html
>> >
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Re: Off camera lighting question

[Bruce Walker]

David J Brooks wrote:


Now, the question(s) are this.

If i'm doing this inside their homes, (and i don't have any
backdrops), i was thinking of having both flashes set up on tripods at
45 degree angles and use the pop up as commander. Do you think this is
a good way to start or would it be better to have one light on the
angle and use an on camera speed light as the master.


IMHO, you should be *really* careful with on-camera flash; I generally 
avoid it. It yields harsh shadows, flat lighting and "deer in the 
headlights" looks. OTOH, flat lighting can be flattering for older 
females' faces and I'm experimenting with using ring-flash for reducing 
lines and wrinkles for that.  Without a dark backdrop, your 
camera-mounted flash will generate rather hard shadows behind your 
subjects that are kinda ugly but can be reduced by sending some fill 
light back there (with the risk that your background will become too 
light or obvious).  Or reduce the flash power and drag the shutter so 
your background comes up with natural light and hides the shadows.


I'd recommend concentrating on the two flashes on stands (tripods) at 
various angles, and trigger both with the popup.


BTW, a trick I discovered for the pop-up: cut a rectangle in a white 
35mm film canister so it can be snugly fitted over the popup when it's 
flipped-up.  This will diffuse and scatter the flash and will greatly 
increase the "reach" of the wireless control.  The popup's flash will 
scatter off of ceilings, walls and furniture and will almost certainly 
be seen by the remote flashes.


If you don't have a shoot-through umbrella, get one: it's the least 
expensive but a most valuable light modifier.  I picked up a 45" 
Westcott shoot-through for $25 Can from The DV-Shop, a nice place in 
Toronto's Junction area.  I'd recommend blowing $40 on the 60" umbrella 
for full length portraits.  The 45" doesn't quite have the reach for 
that, but it's perfect for waist-up and headshots.


I also recommend getting a reflector of some sort so you can add fill 
light to faces. I'm getting a lot of mileage from a roll-up silver car 
windshield sunscreen (cost: $2) that I get an assistant to hold. I'm 
planning on getting the Westcott 5-in-1 kit with a diffuser and silver 
and gold reflectors.




I;ll try some inside and out side of their home, just looking for
suggestions from the portrait crowd and those that use off camera
flash.


You may have more problems with remote flash control outdoors. Your 
flash remote sensors have to be line-of-sight with your popup as there's 
less for the light to reflect from.  You might have to use one flash 
on-camera just to get enough reach to the other flash.


Have fun, David!

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Re: PESO: BNSF

[Sandra Hermann]

Thanks.  I am trying to make it look "real"  I've come close, but I have never 
pulled it off yet.  I guess when you are playing with plastic, you don't have a 
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> Had fun "playing" with it. Really
> nice setting and composition!
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Re: BNSF

[Sandra Hermann]

That could be.  Thanks ! 



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Re: OT: Vinyl vs. Digital

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Tom C" 
Subject: Re: OT: Vinyl vs. Digital




LOL Bill !

In that regard, I never expect my guests to shut up and listen, except
for you, when I played 60+ variations of Besame Mucho, back-to-back,
from the traditional Nat King Cole, to dance, to electronica, to jazz,
to the Beatles and the Ventures.  You endured it all!

Come back sometime so we can do it again, :-)



It's on my bucket list, believe me.
The wine made some of it much easier to take. ;-)

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Re: BNSF

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On Nov 14, 2009, at 9:49 AM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote:


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jeepgirls2...@yahoo.com writes:
Apparently I did  something goofy. I just got two messages, the  
first one
without a link and the  second one with a link.  I only sent one.   
Don't know
what I did  wrong.  I did that for Matt the other night too when I  
sent him

a link so  It is something i'm doing.

http://samsphotopage.blogspot.com/2009/11/bnsf.html


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Re: How can I fire a flsh at 1/1000 secs?

[William Robb]

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Subject: Re: How can I fire a flsh at 1/1000 secs?






He also said:"How do you know when yogurt goes bad."



The lid blows off the container.

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Re: PESO - Two More from Miami

[Rick Womer]

Thanks, Christine.  Yeah, the dusk shot is a bit noisy; someday I'll get a 
camera that has better low-light ability.  The trees are very motion-blurred 
because the onshore wind was fierce.

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> Subject: Re: PESO - Two More from Miami
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> I like boat rental--unusual &
> intriguing.  Dusk at Miami Beach looks a 
> little grainy on my monitor and the focus seems a bit
> soft--maybe it's my 
> bad eyes or the low light situation :-).  It's a nice
> subject though. 
> Cheers, Christine
> 
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> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:05 PM
> Subject: PESO - Two More from Miami
> 
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> > Dusk at Miami Beach:
> >
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> >
> > Boat Rental:
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Re: BNSF

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In a message dated 11/13/2009 9:57:38 P.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
jeepgirls2...@yahoo.com writes:
Apparently I did  something goofy. I just got two messages, the first one 
without a link and the  second one with a link.  I only sent one.  Don't know 
what I did  wrong.  I did that for Matt the other night too when I sent him 
a link so  It is something i'm doing.  

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Re: How can I fire a flsh at 1/1000 secs?

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In a message dated 11/14/2009 5:55:55 A.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
desjard...@wlu.edu writes:
You, however, have a sense  of humor. So we persist with the fish jokes. 
It's actually a plot to get Marnie.  
Steve Desjardins

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It sais flsh, short for flash,  not fish, by the way?
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On Nov 13, 2009 19:27 eactiv...@aol.com wrote:
>  I can't figure out why you want to fire a fish,  and what you want  to
> fire 
> it at.
> Marnie aka Doe  (Who really   deplores puns.)

==
I think Steve said he read it as fish,  so did I. Our minds fill in blanks, 
the l could be an uppercase I.  ;-)

Marnie   (I have a sense of humor, which I have displayed  many times. But 
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Re: PESO: BNSF

[Jack Davis]

Had fun "playing" with it. Really nice setting and composition!

Jack

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Re: Re: How can I fire a flsh at 1/1000 secs?

[Desjardins, Steve]

You, however, have a sense of humor. So we persist with the fish jokes. It's 
actually a plot to get Marnie. 
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Re: 2 Funny PESOs: Street Clown and a Ghostbuster

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On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 1:54 AM, Igor Roshchin  wrote:
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>
> 1. I took this shot in Turin, Italy in September:
> http://www.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/Italy2009/_IRP0141.jpg
>
> A clown was staying at the street intersection, doing some funny tricks
> in front of the traffic stopped for the red light.
> As we crossed the street he tried to follow us.
> I had my camera in my hand, but it was a second or two and no time to
> look through the viewfinder - I shot it "from the hip".

I agree with Bob W on this one.
>
>
> 2.  The second one is a photo of a ghostbuster:
> http://www.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/Italy2009/_IRP0486.jpg

Wouldn't think he would be worried about catching on fire, but.

Dave
>
> Taken at the Castle of Pavone near Turin.
> ( http://www.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/Italy2009/_IRP0446.jpg )
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Re: 2 Funny PESOs: Street Clown and a Ghostbuster

[Igor Roshchin]

Thanks to all who looked and many thanks to those who commented.


Fri Nov 13 10:22:17 CST 2009
ann sanfedele wrote:

> Bob W wrote:
> 
> >>1. I took this shot in Turin, Italy in September:
> >>http://www.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/Italy2009/_IRP0141.jpg
> >>
> >>A clown was staying at the street intersection, doing some 
> >>funny tricks in front of the traffic stopped for the red light.
> >>As we crossed the street he tried to follow us. 
> >>I had my camera in my hand, but it was a second or two and no 
> >>time to look through the viewfinder - I shot it "from the hip".
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >I hate clowns. I think it should be legal to kill them. Especially if
> >they
> >follow you.
> >
> No wonder I like you , Bob!
> I was about to write that I thought it was scary, not funny.

Well, it was not that scary in "actuality".

> 
> >>2.  The second one is a photo of a ghostbuster:
> >>http://www.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/Italy2009/_IRP0486.jpg
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >That's very funny. 
> >
> >Unlike clowns.
> >  
> >
> What Bob said...  If you can, Igor, you might bring down the contrast on 
> the metal a bit in photoshop.

Ann, - what bothers you in the contrast?
are you concerned about the higlights?


Fri Nov 13 07:24:12 CST 2009
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> > 2.  The second one is a photo of a ghostbuster:
> > http://www.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/Italy2009/_IRP0486.jpg
> >
> > Taken at the Castle of Pavone near Turin.
> > ( http://www.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/Italy2009/_IRP0446.jpg )
> >
> 
> Is that suit of armor giving us "the finger"?
> 
> ;-)

I suspect this photo has magic properties (like the photos in 
Harry Potter books) - the ghostbuster shows "the finger" only to certain
people. ;-P)

> 
> Actually, fun as the two PESOs are, the photo of the castle is my
> favourite of the bunch.  The light's beautiful!

Thank you, Frank.

I actually took quite a few photos of the castle, - I just didn't have
time to sort them out yet.

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Re: GESO - F'n Fast & Furious. Part Two

[paul stenquist]

Some great work there! Excellent camera angles and renderings.
Paul


On Nov 14, 2009, at 6:37 AM, Tim Øsleby wrote:


Thanks Derby, Frank and Christine

There where five bands on stage that night.
So I'm not sure if this drummer was playing double drums or not, but
as I recall (and I've heard them several times), the answer is no.
But there where three drum sets present, and I found an angle I
couldn't resist :-)

I saw the pictures in the paper yesterday. All looking good.
Even had a small one at the front page :-)

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2009/11/14 Derby Chang :

Tim Øsleby wrote:


I'm more happy with thease than the previous batch.

http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/2009/10/fn-fast-furious-hst-kick-off-2009-part_26.html

BTW. Did I mention that I got five of these pictures in the local  
paper?
Had paid three paid PJ-jobs in three months. Not much, but better  
than

nothing :-)




Excellent set (again). Sure are a lot of cymbals, does he play  
double bass

drum as well?

Guitarist has a bit of the Michael Hutchence about him

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Off camera lighting question

[David J Brooks]

Hi gang. I'm sure there will be more than one answer/comment but i'm
interested in your input on this.

Because of the family wedding i'm doing next July, i went out and
bought a second Nikon SB800 flash, one to have a spare
and two, to use as an off camera, wireless fill light. Paid just as
mush for the used one as i did for the new one. :-(

Any way, i now have some portrait shots lined up for two of my
Managers at the bus company. They have seen a lot of my
photos and asked if i could do some boyfriend/girlfriend and or
husband and wife stuff. I want to get better at this, so i have
agreed.

Now, the question(s) are this.

If i'm doing this inside their homes, (and i don't have any
backdrops), i was thinking of having both flashes set up on tripods at
45 degree angles and use the pop up as commander. Do you think this is
a good way to start or would it be better to have one light on the
angle and use an on camera speed light as the master.

When i did the family Simpson photos in August, it was cloudy and i
used one flash on the camera with the supplied softbox as fill and it
seemed to give the photos a slight "punch", so i want to utilize this
for the portraits. My safety manager, the one that helped me in my
quest to get my old run back, has a nice cottage style house, painted
white and red on about 10 acres with a nice hard wood bush in the
back. I figure the dual fill flash would be helpful here to help add
some "punch". They also ride motorcycles so i thought maybe a few with
the bikes.

I;ll try some inside and out side of their home, just looking for
suggestions from the portrait crowd and those that use off camera
flash.

I' will be practising here, and will have a look at Stroblist.

Dave

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Re: GESO - F'n Fast & Furious. Part Two

[David J Brooks]

Nice gallery. I really like the second shot of the drummer.
Great angle

Dave

On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Tim Øsleby  wrote:
> I'm more happy with thease than the previous batch.
> http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/2009/10/fn-fast-furious-hst-kick-off-2009-part_26.html
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> BTW. Did I mention that I got five of these pictures in the local paper?
> Had paid three paid PJ-jobs in three months. Not much, but better than
> nothing :-)
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Re: How can I fire a flsh at 1/1000 secs?

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On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 4:00 AM, eckinator  wrote:

>
> Steven Wright once noted that "there's a fine line between fishing and
> standing on the shore looking like an idiot"

He also said:"How do you know when yogurt goes bad."

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Re: Pentax Kids! or November PUG is up

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On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 1:27 AM, David Savage  wrote:
> 2009/11/13 Scott Loveless :
>> Next month's is "Film".  Liberal interpretation allowed for those of
>> you without a proper camera.
>
> True. Not everyone shoots Nikon.

With SB800 speed lights to boot.

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Re: GESO - F'n Fast & Furious. Part Two

[Tim Øsleby]

Thanks Derby, Frank and Christine

There where five bands on stage that night.
So I'm not sure if this drummer was playing double drums or not, but
as I recall (and I've heard them several times), the answer is no.
But there where three drum sets present, and I found an angle I
couldn't resist :-)

I saw the pictures in the paper yesterday. All looking good.
Even had a small one at the front page :-)

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2009/11/14 Derby Chang :
> Tim Øsleby wrote:
>>
>> I'm more happy with thease than the previous batch.
>>
>> http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/2009/10/fn-fast-furious-hst-kick-off-2009-part_26.html
>>
>> BTW. Did I mention that I got five of these pictures in the local paper?
>> Had paid three paid PJ-jobs in three months. Not much, but better than
>> nothing :-)
>>
>>
>
> Excellent set (again). Sure are a lot of cymbals, does he play double bass
> drum as well?
>
> Guitarist has a bit of the Michael Hutchence about him
>
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Re: OT: Vinyl vs. Digital

[eckinator]

2009/11/14 Rob Studdert :
>
> big $$ turntable, pick-up and pre-amp in storage as it's impractical
> as a day to day music source).

WTB =)

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RE: OT: Vinyl vs. Digital

[Bob W]

> 
> Thats all well and good, but if listening to a "poor quality"
> recording of a favoured song can lighten my mood and make me 
> forget my troubles, why should I give a shit if I can't hear 
> the lead singer scratch his nuts?
> 

All together now:

Pack up your troubles in your old nut sack 
And scratch, scratch, scratch!
While you've a fingernail to scrape your 'nad
Scratch, boys, it's not bad
What's the use in worrying?
It only makes you sad, so
Pack up your troubles in your old nut sack 
And scratch, scratch, scratch!




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Re: Re: How can I fire a flsh at 1/1000 secs?

[Jens]

It sais flsh, short for flash, not fish, by the way?
Jens

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On Nov 13, 2009 19:27 eactiv...@aol.com wrote:
> I can't figure out why you want to fire a fish,  and what you want to
> fire 
> it at.
> Marnie aka Doe  (Who really  deplores puns.)
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RE: OT: Vinyl vs. Digital

[J.C. O'Connell]

Have you ever heard really good, say direct to disc, recordings on LP on
a 
$10K and up turntable? If you havent, then your contention 
is moot. If you have, and still think best CD sounds
justs as good/realistic as best LP, then either your ears
are shot/well below average or the playback system is suspect not
worthy of the task. 

CD at its best is not awful terrible
no, but its certainly not a transparent or refined as LP
at its finest. This isnt a personal opinion or
based on my or your ears, it's the consensus opinion
of most music lovers/audiophiles. If CD format was
good enough, than higher resolution digital formats
would not have needed/been developed but they were because
CD format digital was not audibly good enough to get the job done
then or now or ever compared to LP or even the later higher rez digital
audio formats.

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Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 2:19 AM
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On Nov 13, 2009, at 16:42 , J.C. O'Connell wrote:

> as good as a $2500 or even $10,000 digital rig sounds,
> it doesn't sound nearly as nice a $2500 LP rig. Dollar
> for dollar LP sounds better from about $250 and up and
> at some point lP just pulls away forver from what even
> the worlds finest CD rigs can do at any cost.

A. Read what you are responding to - for comprehension.

B. Listening to music is a personal thing - my ears are not your ears.

C. Ears. A flapping diaphragm that conducts air pressure changes to  
the brain through a series of cartilaginous bone, that the brain  
interprets as sound (music) based on a lifelong learning curve.

Ca. I'm older than you are, therefor I hear sound better than you do.  
(True? BS?)

D. Arguments with absolutes are not arguments, they are foolishness.  
There is a disconnect between measurements found in a Audiophile'  
magazine and the empirical hearing of the individual.

E. Try recording the sound of the waves hitting the shore, the birds,  
and the wind. The recording may be absolutely accurate (tho usually  
without the feeling of the space around one) but it is without the  
emotion each individual would feel sitting at that spot.

F. Most of this is crap put down while watching Law & Order, Bones,  
and Numb3rs.

I do not care for a response. It's just my thoughts on recorded sound  
and JC's arguments and the validity or lack thereof of his or any  
other theory.



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RE: OT: Vinyl vs. Digital

[J.C. O'Connell]

I had to turn ALL my spellcheckers off because they all
need too much repetitive highly annoying non productive babysitting over
technical words and
surnames that are not in their dictionaries and I don't
feel like doing all the work to keep amending/adding to those
dictionaries. I spell and
type well enough that the tradeoff is simply not worth turning
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On Nov 13, 2009, at 16:46 , J.C. O'Connell wrote:

> On Nov 13, 2009, at 10:54 , J.C. O'Connell wrote:
>
>> PS. if your sound system and recordings are right, the people WILL 
>> stop talking and start listening, its called capivating. That's what 
>> great sound and music does...
>
>
> No, it's not, JC. It's called captivating.


One more word, JC.  Spellchecker.

That's all I did was hold my cursor over your spelling, right click,  
and paste the correct spelling in place in my sentence.

If it doesn't excite you,
This thing that you see,
Why in the world,
Would it excite me?
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RE: OT: Vinyl vs. Digital

[J.C. O'Connell]

No, I don't agree, just like you, too many people assume that
their music is "fine" and they THINK they are enjoying it to
the max, but they are simply mistaken, that it CAN sound better
and they COULD enjoy it even more. I speak on absolute terms
on some things because sometimes they are absolute. The very best analog
records ARE better sounding/more realistic sounding/higher
fidelity than the very best CDs or MP3s. That's not just an opinion
of mine, it's a consensus of most audio experts so I don't present it as
an opinion, its closer to a matter of fact.

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You too are right Paul.

JCO... talking to you. Damn... you have a tendency to express yourself
in very strong absolute terms which are misread my many. Understanding
that, I totally agree with what you trying to express regarding the way
analog music played on analog gear sounds.  I was totally blown away by
what I heard on a 25 year old 40W/channel eBay amp ($31), a 25 year old
set of speakers ($100), and a refurbished TT
+ cartridge ($425... I bet it can be had for far less, if careful, but
I was insistent on a pristine example).

We probably need to stop arguing the point and accept that everyone
enjoys music on whatever media and format they hear it. :)

Tom

On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 7:29 PM, paul stenquist
 wrote:
> JCO:
> You're right of course. But people are going to continue to try to 
> provoke you, so you might as well let it go. Paul
> On Nov 13, 2009, at 8:27 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote:
>
>> it does if the music and recording is truly sublime quality, when 
>> that is lost you never even know what you missed, let alone enjoy it 
>> just as much. Music isnt just about words and beats and melodies, its

>> about SOUNDS, sounds of instruments and sounds can be beautiful, when

>> the sound aint right, you ARE not fully enjoying what is there for 
>> the enjoyment, no matter how many times you say you are, you cant 
>> enjoy what you cant hear.
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>> -Original Message-
>> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf 
>> Of David Savage
>> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 8:00 PM
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>>
>>
>> Ditto.
>>
>> The technical perfection of the recording/playback medium don't 
>> matter much compared to the "meat" of the music.
>>
>> On 14/11/2009, steve harley  wrote:
>>>
>>> On 2009-11-13 12:17 , J.C. O'Connell wrote:

 You wouldn't say perfect or highest possible fideility is overrated

 if you heard some of the worlds greatest recordings in all their 
 glory.
>>>
>>> please don't tell me what _i'd_ say
>>>
>>> i've spent a lifetime enjoying a wide variety of great live music; 
>>> while i understand fidelity and the limitations of digital (and
>>> analog) audio, and while i'm somewhat awed by top-notch equipment 
>>> and its output, i have no problem with "good enough" for recorded 
>>> music; good enough is a holistic evaluation that everone will make 
>>> differently -- for me it's more about the expression and "heart" of 
>>> the music than it is about absolute fidelity; even with mediocre 
>>> equipment and lots of background noise i can really enjoy music; i 
>>> think that sense of "good enough" holds for a lot of others too, 
>>> based
>>
>>> on the prevalence of car audio, iPods, etc.
>>>
>>> it's pretty much same with photography for me
>>>
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