handing the camera to someone else

2010-06-08 Thread Larry Colen
I had a brown belt exam in Aikido tonight.  in short, none of the skilled 
photographers could take pictures tonight.  Beau was also testing, and Tosh had 
a prior commitment.  I put the FA31 on my K-x, set it on Tv and handed it to 
Brock.  

In retrospect, I should have taken a test shot and chimped the histograms. I 
might have noticed that the EV was set to -2.7.

Just because I never use the automatic settings is no excuse for not knowing 
how to use them. And especially not for failing to check things.
I was, admittedly rather preoccupied, and we did sort of run out of time when I 
was showing him how to use the camera.

Oh well, some of the shots did still come out at least as well as a point and 
shoot would have done in those conditions.

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RE: Chris, Colossus and Concrete Kine

2010-06-08 Thread Bob W
> and here's a shot of Colossus, scanned from 35mm (probably in my brand
> new MZ-S, so the exposure information should be recorded on the film;
> now all I have to do is to find the actual film ...)
> 
> http://www.jfwaf.com/temp/Bletchley-2.jpg
> 
> The Colossus rebuild project was very much a work-in-progress in those
> days; parts of the machine sort of worked, spasmodically, but the whole
> thing was even more temperamental than the original version.

that's a good shot of the Colossus. It's hard to take in just how important
it is, and how advanced it must was at the time - it must have seemed like
magic to the non-scientists/mathematicians who knew about it. I was
fascinated by the paper tape - we still used it as our main input method
when I started in computing. Different format of course. I mentioned this to
the chap who was minding the machine and mentioned how slow the Colossus was
reading compared to the tape reader we used. He asked how fast it ran. I
didn't know so he assumed (probably correctly, he knew his stuff) that it
read at 1,000 cps. Colossus on the other hand, was reading at 5,000 cps even
in the 1940s.

Bob


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RE: More on LightRoom: sidecar files or no sidecar files

2010-06-08 Thread Bob W
> Hi!
> 
> A quick question for those who use LR as their main work tool. Do you
> use sidecar files or do you put the metadata into the picture files
> (.DNGs then I presume)?
> 

the metadata goes in the catalogue, not the picture files. If you use
sidecar files I believe (but would have to check) that this is in addition
to the metadata in the catalogue, not a replacement.

Bob


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RE: Lightroom catalogs chaining (a question really)

2010-06-08 Thread Bob W
[...]
> 
> But Godfrey, admit it - what you describe is a manner of working around
> the lack (I am not saying - deficiency) of certain convenience feature
> in LR probably similar to what I asked about in the first place.
> 

this so-called convenience feature would be a disaster, Boris. Everything
Godfrey has mentioned about his workflow can be done with a single
catalogue. If I was the software architect in charge of LR and someone
suggested what you want I would have them marched off the premises and sent
to live in Boise, Idaho.

You mentioned that your catalogue is large, but it is not given you
performance problems. What is about having a large one that
you don't like<\Hattie Jacques>? 

What problems are you asking us to help you solve?

Bob



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Re: Lightroom catalogs chaining (a question really)

2010-06-08 Thread Boris Liberman

On 6/8/2010 11:20 AM, Bob W wrote:

this so-called convenience feature would be a disaster, Boris. Everything
Godfrey has mentioned about his workflow can be done with a single
catalogue. If I was the software architect in charge of LR and someone
suggested what you want I would have them marched off the premises and sent
to live in Boise, Idaho.


I happen to know at least one man living exactly there and he seems like 
a good guy to me... ;-)



You mentioned that your catalogue is large, but it is not given you
performance problems.What is about having a large one that
you don't like<\Hattie Jacques>?

What problems are you asking us to help you solve?


Actually, I tried to explain that in another message on the same thread 
that was my reply to yet another message of yours...


Boris

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RE: Lightroom catalogs chaining (a question really)

2010-06-08 Thread Bob W
> 
> But consider this. I've a section called "International Travel". It
> contains 8,000+ frames. It is a bit of a separate thing. Well, I
> travel,
> I take the pics, I export 'em and process them. So finally they end up
> in that section. I still need to do some keywording, but otherwise - it
> is pretty much done with. So, I thought to myself, what if I offload
> them to a separate catalog and reference it from the main catalog.
> Indeed, this is all a matter of my personal way of doing things in a
> convincingly comfortable manner. Indeed, this part of the grand catalog
> changes very rarely - basically once a year when I do travel (sans
> several business trips that I had last year and this one). So why would
> I have to lug it around, keep backing it up (I back up my LR catalog
> routinely), and so on... OTOH, if I wanted to print a pic of my
> daughter
> in Norway back in 2006 - I would have to return to that catalog, and
> being properly lazy it would be only convincingly comfortable to access
> that picture(s) via the "soft link" from within the main catalog...
> 
> But, as you say and they write, it is impossible to achieve just yet.
> 
> Still, thanks for letting me get my head rolling in a new and may be
> interesting direction.

OK, but think through the implications of having an uber-catalogue - not
just the benefits to you, but also the disadvantages - it would introduce
enormous complexity. The disadvantages will far outweigh the costs you have
outlined  - lugging it around and backing it up are not serious costs to
you. It doesn't weigh anything, you've already said you're not having
performance problems, and the backup is merely a little extra processing
which takes place in the background while you're asleep, presumably.

B


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Re: RE: Chris, Colossus and Concrete Kine

2010-06-08 Thread Chris Mitchell

Bob W wrote:
> > and here's a shot of Colossus, scanned from 35mm (probably in my brand
> > new MZ-S, so the exposure information should be recorded on the film;
> > now all I have to do is to find the actual film ...)
> > 
> > http://www.jfwaf.com/temp/Bletchley-2.jpg
> > 
> > The Colossus rebuild project was very much a work-in-progress in those
> > days; parts of the machine sort of worked, spasmodically, but the whole
> > thing was even more temperamental than the original version.
> 
> that's a good shot of the Colossus. It's hard to take in just how important
> it is, and how advanced it must was at the time - it must have seemed like
> magic to the non-scientists/mathematicians who knew about it. I was
> fascinated by the paper tape - we still used it as our main input method
> when I started in computing. Different format of course. I mentioned this to
> the chap who was minding the machine and mentioned how slow the Colossus was
> reading compared to the tape reader we used. He asked how fast it ran. I
> didn't know so he assumed (probably correctly, he knew his stuff) that it
> read at 1,000 cps. Colossus on the other hand, was reading at 5,000 cps even
> in the 1940s.
> 
> Bob

And, as there was no storage or memory, the tape was looped and cycled 
continuously. There was a satisfying clunk from the relays and different lights 
lit up as each cycle finished.

Chris


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Re: Lightroom catalogs chaining (a question really)

2010-06-08 Thread Boris Liberman

On 6/8/2010 11:37 AM, Bob W wrote:

OK, but think through the implications of having an uber-catalogue - not
just the benefits to you, but also the disadvantages - it would introduce
enormous complexity. The disadvantages will far outweigh the costs you have
outlined  - lugging it around and backing it up are not serious costs to
you. It doesn't weigh anything, you've already said you're not having
performance problems, and the backup is merely a little extra processing
which takes place in the background while you're asleep, presumably.

B


Well, I am not sure that it will add complexity, 'cause I am not fully 
familiar with the way LR is designed and/or implemented in this regard. 
It could go both ways...


In fact, Bob, you don't have to convince me that I could live without 
this feature, 'cause I've been alive so far. I am thinking that my life 
would be slightly easier with this capability. The rest as usual, is up 
to time and Adobe Dilberts...


Boris


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Re: More on LightRoom: sidecar files or no sidecar files

2010-06-08 Thread AlunFoto
2010/6/8 Bob W :
> the metadata goes in the catalogue, not the picture files. If you use
> sidecar files I believe (but would have to check) that this is in addition
> to the metadata in the catalogue, not a replacement.

Most file types except proprietary raw files support metadata within
the image file. IIRC, you can set Lr to store the metadata in the
catalog, or both in the catalog and the file system. If you choose to
include the file system, you have the option to use sidecar files or
embed the data. If you embed the data in proprietary raw files, you
may screw up the file. If you shoot DNG, you're safe anyway. :-)

My personal opinion is that it's a Good Thing to duplicate the
metadata information between catalog and file system. In case of
losing the catalog or maybe changing archive software in the future, I
will still be able to regenerate most of the relevant information.

Personally I embed everything into the image file itself rather than
using XMP. I like the thought of the file being self-contained with
keywords and all. And I shoot DNG.

Jostein

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Re: Lightroom catalogs chaining (a question really)

2010-06-08 Thread AlunFoto
2010/6/8 Boris Liberman :
> But Godfrey, admit it - what you describe is a manner of working around the
> lack (I am not saying - deficiency) of certain convenience feature in LR
> probably similar to what I asked about in the first place.

Is it so, Boris, that what you really want is to retain the metadata
and perhaps a thumbnail for all the images you offload from the
catalog?

There are other image archiving programs that support this; but which
doesn't have the processing capabilities of Lr. Examples are IDimager,
FotoStation and ThumbsPlus.

Before I went for Lr, I very nearly decided to go for IDimager instead
because of its amazing flexibility with regards to archiving. It was
the integration of good processing tools and average archiving tools
that made Lr come out on top. YMMV, so I'd encourage you to have a
look at both IDimager and maybe ThumbsPlus. FotoStation is a bit on
the expensive side, but can handle more digital assets than just
photos. AFAIK, it's the most complete DAM software so far.

Jostein


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Re: Lightroom catalogs chaining (a question really)

2010-06-08 Thread AlunFoto
2010/6/8 Boris Liberman :
> On 6/7/2010 8:49 PM, Bob W wrote:
>>
>> You are trying to have your cake and eat it too.
>
> This is what programming is usually about, sir ;-).

You know, that really goes a long way to explain the horrendous prices
programmers charge for their services. :-)


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Re: First the 645D now this

2010-06-08 Thread AlunFoto
2010/6/8 Keith Whaley :
> NOTHING is a steal aat $17,999.

Brooklyn bridge?


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Re: Lightroom catalogs chaining (a question really)

2010-06-08 Thread Boris Liberman
It is my firm belief... Ummm, no, wrong quote... Well, someone oughtta 
mark it, perchance...


Boris



On 6/8/2010 1:21 PM, AlunFoto wrote:

2010/6/8 Boris Liberman:

On 6/7/2010 8:49 PM, Bob W wrote:


You are trying to have your cake and eat it too.


This is what programming is usually about, sir ;-).


You know, that really goes a long way to explain the horrendous prices
programmers charge for their services. :-)





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Re: Lightroom catalogs chaining (a question really)

2010-06-08 Thread Boris Liberman

On 6/8/2010 1:16 PM, AlunFoto wrote:

Is it so, Boris, that what you really want is to retain the metadata
and perhaps a thumbnail for all the images you offload from the
catalog?


Right, I can live with that. Indeed, you may have the point that the 
integration between processing and archiving components of LR is so 
tight that what I am asking is to loosen the bolts all too much...


Basically, what I want is to retain the completeness of my keywords data 
base, so that if I want to find photos of my daughter or photos of 
Jerusalem, I won't have to remember to search both in my local photo 
collection and in those photos that I shot when you came. Though I 
suppose I gave similar example earlier.


In principle, I am thinking that the organizational information 
(directory trees, keywording trees, etc) is reasonably small part of 
what the catalog contains all together. Thus, I think that it can be 
factored out in a manner of speaking.


But Bob W convinced me that presently this is all but a theory...

Boris

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Re: K-7 or K-x

2010-06-08 Thread AlunFoto
Barry,
I brought two K-7 to South Georgia and Antarctica in December. Here's
a bit of what they were exposed to:
http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/displayimage.php?pos=-226

It just kept working. And also important, it handled the change from
this outdoor conditions to the warm interior of a ship cabin without
glitch as well.

I have nearly no experience with the K-x, though. :-(

Jostein


2010/6/8 Barry Rice :
>
> Hey Larry,
>
> Thanks for your comments.
>
> I am unfamiliar with any "water resistance" features on the K-7, but it
> has any, it would be a huge plus. I do a lot of work in wet conditions,
> and while I use a rain hood when I can, accidents DO happen.
>
> Indeed, while I was on this recent trip, a VERY well aimed, massive
> raindrop at the lead of a major thunderstom cracked into the back of my
> K10. I blew the water out, but didn't dare turn my camera back on until
> that night. It malfunctioned as my wife's camera did (after she doused
> it), so I let it dry for about 30 hours before I turned it back on. It's
> working fine, now, but I warn you all---that multipurpose "four-way
> controller" button on the back of the camera is pretty susceptible to
> water damage!
>
> Barry
>
>
>
>>If I were in your shoes, I'd probably spend the extra for the K7 for
>>better low ISO quality, autofocus, metering and water resistance.
>
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Mini GESO - Same image; different crops

2010-06-08 Thread Brian Walters
G'day all

On my recent trip to the north coast of New South Wales, I came across
this track leading up to a coastal headland.  I thought it would make an
interesting image in the right light but I also thought it would be more
interesting with someone walking along the track.

Not having anyone handy to use as a model, I sat down beside the track,
pre-focused on an appropriate point and waited

After 15-20 minutes, this very attractive young lady walked by.  She
said "Hello".  I said "G'day".  She walked up the track and I grabbed
this image.

Here's several crops - I'm tending towards Crop 3 but it loses the patch
of ocean on the left which, although small, gives the other crops a bit
of context.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/NSW-Qld_May_2010/index.html


What say you?  Any other suggestions?  The uncropped version is No:1 and
the final image is a quick and dirty B&W conversion to see if there's
any potential there.



Cheers

Brian

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Re: Lightroom catalogs chaining (a question really)

2010-06-08 Thread mike wilson
On 8 June 2010 09:54, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> Adobe Dilberts

MARK

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Re: Lightroom catalogs chaining (a question really)

2010-06-08 Thread mike wilson
On 8 June 2010 11:21, AlunFoto  wrote:
> You know, that really goes a long way to explain the horrendous prices
> programmers charge for their services. :-)

Doesn't explain why, in almost all of my dealings with Adooby, I feel
like Scrat.
This is aposite in so many ways.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ci144OUw-fI

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Re: Mini GESO - Same image; different crops

2010-06-08 Thread Bob Sullivan
Brian,
All look pretty good to me.
My preference is for the original, perhaps with the darker clouds.
I'd want to keep the water on the left and little rise on the right,
for the sense of place they provide.
The pano is attractive as well.
Regards, Bob S.

On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 6:20 AM, Brian Walters  wrote:
> G'day all
>
> On my recent trip to the north coast of New South Wales, I came across
> this track leading up to a coastal headland.  I thought it would make an
> interesting image in the right light but I also thought it would be more
> interesting with someone walking along the track.
>
> Not having anyone handy to use as a model, I sat down beside the track,
> pre-focused on an appropriate point and waited
>
> After 15-20 minutes, this very attractive young lady walked by.  She
> said "Hello".  I said "G'day".  She walked up the track and I grabbed
> this image.
>
> Here's several crops - I'm tending towards Crop 3 but it loses the patch
> of ocean on the left which, although small, gives the other crops a bit
> of context.
>
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/NSW-Qld_May_2010/index.html
>
>
> What say you?  Any other suggestions?  The uncropped version is No:1 and
> the final image is a quick and dirty B&W conversion to see if there's
> any potential there.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Brian
>
> ++
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Re: K-7 or K-x

2010-06-08 Thread eckinator
2010/6/8 AlunFoto :
> Barry,
> I brought two K-7 to South Georgia and Antarctica in December. Here's
> a bit of what they were exposed to:
> http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/displayimage.php?pos=-226

Just wondering, Jostein - is that a Burzynski head in the picture?
If so, how do you feel about it?
Cheers
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Re: Mini GESO - Same image; different crops

2010-06-08 Thread Brian Walters
On Tue, 08 Jun 2010 07:12 -0500, "Bob Sullivan" 
wrote:
> Brian,
> All look pretty good to me.
> My preference is for the original, perhaps with the darker clouds.
> I'd want to keep the water on the left and little rise on the right,
> for the sense of place they provide.
> The pano is attractive as well.


Thanks, Bob.  I appreciate the feedback.


Cheers

Brian

Brian Walters
Western Sydney Australia




> On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 6:20 AM, Brian Walters 
> wrote:
> > G'day all
> >
> > On my recent trip to the north coast of New South Wales, I came across
> > this track leading up to a coastal headland.  I thought it would make an
> > interesting image in the right light but I also thought it would be more
> > interesting with someone walking along the track.
> >
> > Not having anyone handy to use as a model, I sat down beside the track,
> > pre-focused on an appropriate point and waited
> >
> > After 15-20 minutes, this very attractive young lady walked by.  She
> > said "Hello".  I said "G'day".  She walked up the track and I grabbed
> > this image.
> >
> > Here's several crops - I'm tending towards Crop 3 but it loses the patch
> > of ocean on the left which, although small, gives the other crops a bit
> > of context.
> >
> > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/NSW-Qld_May_2010/index.html
> >
> >
> > What say you?  Any other suggestions?  The uncropped version is No:1 and
> > the final image is a quick and dirty B&W conversion to see if there's
> > any potential there.
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > ++
> > Brian Walters
> > Western Sydney Australia
> > http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/
> >
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Re: First the 645D now this

2010-06-08 Thread eckinator
2010/6/8 AlunFoto :
> 2010/6/8 Keith Whaley :
>> NOTHING is a steal aat $17,999.
>
> Brooklyn bridge?

Sorry man but that one's off the market, I bought it last year.
BTW there are rumours now that is developing a medium format P&S.
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Re: First the 645D now this

2010-06-08 Thread eckinator
2010/6/8 eckinator :
> 2010/6/8 AlunFoto :
>> 2010/6/8 Keith Whaley :
>>> NOTHING is a steal aat $17,999.
>>
>> Brooklyn bridge?
>
> Sorry man but that one's off the market, I bought it last year.
> BTW there are rumours now that Kodak is developing a medium format P&S.
> Ecke
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Re: First the 645D now this

2010-06-08 Thread Adam Maas
Mamiya sells the DM22 (645AFDIII with DM22 22MP back) for about the
same price as the 645D.

-Adam

On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 9:31 PM, Steven Desjardins  wrote:
> It does makes the 645D look good at under $10K.  (Although I do
> question the use of the word"steal" for any of these cameras.)
>
> On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 6:35 PM, Keith Whaley  wrote:
>> David J Brooks wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://reviews.photographyreview.com/blog/mamiya-rz33-medium-format-digital-camera-classic/
>>>
>>> A steal at $17999
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>
>> NOTHING is a steal aat $17,999.
>>
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Re: handing the camera to someone else

2010-06-08 Thread eckinator
That is a bummer Larry but one I know so well - only way you learn,
really. I once said to someone who grabbed my cam to just set all
dials that have a green setting to green. Unfortunately I hadn't
remembered WB (correctable though) and there was serious exposure
compensation dialed in for flash use because "K10D" and "just a hint
of fill" are more than just ballparks apart... not a single shot was
correctly exposed so I was happy to be shooting DNG. Some came out,
most were junk... won't happen to me again so a small price paid for a
problem lost.
Cheers
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2010/6/8 Larry Colen :
> I had a brown belt exam in Aikido tonight.  in short, none of the skilled 
> photographers could take pictures tonight.  Beau was also testing, and Tosh 
> had a prior commitment.  I put the FA31 on my K-x, set it on Tv and handed it 
> to Brock.
>
> In retrospect, I should have taken a test shot and chimped the histograms. I 
> might have noticed that the EV was set to -2.7.
>
> Just because I never use the automatic settings is no excuse for not knowing 
> how to use them. And especially not for failing to check things.
> I was, admittedly rather preoccupied, and we did sort of run out of time when 
> I was showing him how to use the camera.
>
> Oh well, some of the shots did still come out at least as well as a point and 
> shoot would have done in those conditions.
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Re: Mini GESO - Same image; different crops

2010-06-08 Thread Jack Davis
Believe I prefer #4. I agree with including the bit of ocean and wish it were 
more. Grass and track awfully "vivid!" 

Jack

--- On Tue, 6/8/10, Brian Walters  wrote:

> From: Brian Walters 
> Subject: Mini GESO - Same image; different crops
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 4:20 AM
> G'day all
> 
> On my recent trip to the north coast of New South Wales, I
> came across
> this track leading up to a coastal headland.  I
> thought it would make an
> interesting image in the right light but I also thought it
> would be more
> interesting with someone walking along the track.
> 
> Not having anyone handy to use as a model, I sat down
> beside the track,
> pre-focused on an appropriate point and waited
> 
> After 15-20 minutes, this very attractive young lady walked
> by.  She
> said "Hello".  I said "G'day".  She walked up the
> track and I grabbed
> this image.
> 
> Here's several crops - I'm tending towards Crop 3 but it
> loses the patch
> of ocean on the left which, although small, gives the other
> crops a bit
> of context.
> 
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/NSW-Qld_May_2010/index.html
> 
> 
> What say you?  Any other suggestions?  The
> uncropped version is No:1 and
> the final image is a quick and dirty B&W conversion to
> see if there's
> any potential there.
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Brian
> 
> ++
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Re: Lightroom catalogs chaining (a question really)

2010-06-08 Thread William Robb


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On 6/8/2010 11:20 AM, Bob W wrote:
I would have them marched off the premises and sent

to live in Boise, Idaho.


I happen to know at least one man living exactly there and he seems like 
a good guy to me... ;-)




He probably meant to say Weyburn Saskatchewan.

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Re: Lightroom catalogs chaining (a question really)

2010-06-08 Thread Boris Liberman

On 6/8/2010 4:11 PM, William Robb wrote:

He probably meant to say Weyburn Saskatchewan.

William Robb


Bill, by saying that someone else is not bad, I don't immediately imply 
that you're not so... Jealousy is one of the deadly sins, if I am not 
mistaken ;-).


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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-08 Thread John Sessoms
This is probably going to be my last on Mac vs PC for now. I'm getting 
busy at school and barely have time to follow the list.


There are about 70 students in my class, broken into three sections.

Among the 70, there are maybe 10 who are over the age of 21. All the 
rest are right out of high school.


The network is also set up to be Mac only, to indoctrinate the kids 
properly from the beginning. I don't know what their experience with 
computers in school prior to this has been, but I think it might have 
been rather apple-centric.


What I think is going on is the Mac network at school is screwed down 
really tight to keep the students from doing anything that might screw 
with it. You can't change any preferences, and no allowance is even made 
for saving those preferences as a script on your own drive.


Basically, it's just not set up to play nice with those who already know 
something about a different way of doing things, and no allowance is 
made for the diversity of those who use Windoze at home.


Not a matter of can't ... won't.




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Re: PESO: Gnarley

2010-06-08 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Thanks, Jack.

Brian, this was taken near noon on a very bright and sunny June day.
I had to crop to cut out areas along the top edge that were
exceedingly overblown.

Dan

On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 11:37 PM, Brian Walters  wrote:
> On Mon, 07 Jun 2010 22:37 -0400, "Daniel J. Matyola"
>  wrote:
>> A tree near the Capitol in Washington, DC:
>>
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11105230
>>
>> Comments, Suggestions, Criticisms and Abuse are welcome.
>>
>
>
> Certainly gnarled but was the surrounding grass really that vivid?
>
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Re: On the road . . .

2010-06-08 Thread eckinator
2010/6/8 cagu...@earthlink.net :
> in San diego with husband & friends.  Saw a camel today, ate apple pie in 
> Justin, went to the top of Laguna mt.  Running out of memory cards.  Wish I 
> had brought a tripod.  Can,t view pesos on cell phone email.  Will be back 
> online next weekend.  Having a great time.  Weather is beautiful.  Going to 
> the museum of photographic arts tomorrow.  Might take train into LA to see 
> the Getty.  Hope all is well.  Cheers Christine

Sounds great. Sounds great, too. Go buy some. Go buy one. View next
weekend. Post some then, too. Again, sounds great. I hate you. Enjoy!
Enjoy, too! Yes it is, speaking for myself. Cheers Ecke

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Re: Mini GESO - Same image; different crops

2010-06-08 Thread Brian Walters
On Tue, 08 Jun 2010 06:10 -0700, "Jack Davis" 
wrote:
> Believe I prefer #4. I agree with including the bit of ocean and wish it
> were more. Grass and track awfully "vivid!" 


Thanks, Jack.

I actually toned the grass down a bit but I'll have another go at it.


Cheers

Brian

Brian Walters
Western Sydney Australia




> --- On Tue, 6/8/10, Brian Walters  wrote:
> 
> > From: Brian Walters 
> > Subject: Mini GESO - Same image; different crops
> > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> > Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 4:20 AM
> > G'day all
> > 
> > On my recent trip to the north coast of New South Wales, I
> > came across
> > this track leading up to a coastal headland.  I
> > thought it would make an
> > interesting image in the right light but I also thought it
> > would be more
> > interesting with someone walking along the track.
> > 
> > Not having anyone handy to use as a model, I sat down
> > beside the track,
> > pre-focused on an appropriate point and waited
> > 
> > After 15-20 minutes, this very attractive young lady walked
> > by.  She
> > said "Hello".  I said "G'day".  She walked up the
> > track and I grabbed
> > this image.
> > 
> > Here's several crops - I'm tending towards Crop 3 but it
> > loses the patch
> > of ocean on the left which, although small, gives the other
> > crops a bit
> > of context.
> > 
> > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/NSW-Qld_May_2010/index.html
> > 
> > 
> > What say you?  Any other suggestions?  The
> > uncropped version is No:1 and
> > the final image is a quick and dirty B&W conversion to
> > see if there's
> > any potential there.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Cheers
> > 
> > Brian
> > 
> > ++
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Re: OT Card reader question

2010-06-08 Thread John Sessoms
With multiple cards it's less of a pain to use an external reader than 
having to shuffle them all through the camera to download.


Insert the card, turn the camera on, connect it to the computer, 
download, disconnect, turn the camera off, remove the card ...


rinse & repeat.

And it sucks battery power. If the battery dies during the download, it 
can sometimes corrupt the images on the card.


Plus you can't use the camera until you recharge the battery.


From: Ann Sanfedele

dumb question,  maybe

why do yo have to use a card reader at all?  just plug the camera into 
the computer, no?


then it doesn't matter what size card you have  , right?

ann

Doug Franklin wrote:


> On 2010-06-05 7:45, Cory Waters wrote:
>

>> That's what I did.
>> CW
>>
>> On 6/5/2010 7:40 AM, David J Brooks wrote:
>>

>>> Do i just but one and try it, and then buy a new reader if it does not
>>> like the card.

>>

>
> That's what I did, too.  Several times, in fact.  A few months after 
> SDHC came out, I got a 4GB card.  It wouldn't work with my reader, so 
> I got another reader.  It worked with that one.  Now 8GB and higher 
> are out and I find my fancy-schmancy reader that handles 4GB cards 
> just fine won't handle one larger.  So I'll go get another one.  At 
> US$ 10 or so each, it's not that big a hassle, apart from the extra 
> metallic nasties headed to the dump.

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Re: More on LightRoom: sidecar files or no sidecar files

2010-06-08 Thread Paul Sorenson
I shoot PEFs and convert to DNG when I import into LightRoom.  I like to 
keep everything contained within one file so if I need to copy it for 
some other use I'm only concerned with one file.  It seems to me that 
it's also a better backup strategy to work with one file per image 
rather than two.


-p

.On 6/8/2010 1:18 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:

Hi!

A quick question for those who use LR as their main work tool. Do you 
use sidecar files or do you put the metadata into the picture files 
(.DNGs then I presume)?


Perhaps this could be considered as a kind of a poll, realy...

Thanks.

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White Balance Lens Cap

2010-06-08 Thread Steven Desjardins
I hadn't heard of these.  Has anyone tried them and, if so, do they work?

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Re: Mini GESO - Same image; different crops

2010-06-08 Thread Ann Sanfedele

Brian -
I think the color shots  all work...   - that is, none of them are any 
"better" than the others - judt different.  
I"d have wanted the figure to be less , um, posed looking  - I bet she 
knew you were taking her photo...
Love the golden light glow and such a great sky.I don't think the 
black and white works that thin white
line (halo)  around the girl is distracting, looks like you cut and 
pasted her in.


ann


Brian Walters wrote:


G'day all

On my recent trip to the north coast of New South Wales, I came across
this track leading up to a coastal headland.  I thought it would make an
interesting image in the right light but I also thought it would be more
interesting with someone walking along the track.

Not having anyone handy to use as a model, I sat down beside the track,
pre-focused on an appropriate point and waited

After 15-20 minutes, this very attractive young lady walked by.  She
said "Hello".  I said "G'day".  She walked up the track and I grabbed
this image.

Here's several crops - I'm tending towards Crop 3 but it loses the patch
of ocean on the left which, although small, gives the other crops a bit
of context.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/NSW-Qld_May_2010/index.html


What say you?  Any other suggestions?  The uncropped version is No:1 and
the final image is a quick and dirty B&W conversion to see if there's
any potential there.



Cheers

Brian

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Re: K-7 or K-x

2010-06-08 Thread AlunFoto
2010/6/8 eckinator :
> 2010/6/8 AlunFoto :
>> Barry,
>> I brought two K-7 to South Georgia and Antarctica in December. Here's
>> a bit of what they were exposed to:
>> http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/displayimage.php?pos=-226
>
> Just wondering, Jostein - is that a Burzynski head in the picture?
> If so, how do you feel about it?

Not a Burzinsky. I think they look just too weird... :-)

Mine is a RRS 55mm ballhead with a lever-clamped quick-release.
http://reallyrightstuff.com/mmRRS/Images/gallery/BH55LR.png

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K-7 or K-x

2010-06-08 Thread Barry Rice

Hey Charles,

Hmm. I might have just been unlucky. I was certainly very happy when it 
returned to normal!

Barry
 
>> Indeed, while I was on this recent trip, a VERY well aimed, massive 
>> raindrop at the lead of a major thunderstom cracked into the back of my 
>> K10. I blew the water out, but didn't dare turn my camera back on until 
>> that night. It malfunctioned as my wife's camera did (after she doused 
>> it), so I let it dry for about 30 hours before I turned it back on. 
It's 
>> working fine, now, but I warn you all---that multipurpose "four-way 
>> controller" button on the back of the camera is pretty susceptible to 
>> water damage!
> 

>That's weird.

>The first summer after getting my K10D, the wife and I were camping and
>relaxing after a 45-mile day on the bikes.  Then we heard raindrops so we
>closed up the tent and took a nap.

>An hour later, we woke up and I fumbled around for the camera I knew I'd
>left above the head of the mattress.  No camera.  Opened up the tent and
>there was the K10D (with 16-50) sitting just outside in the wet grass,
>all covered with raindrops. 

>I giggled, picked it up, blew the water off of the rear screen, and tried
>to calm my wife down who didn't think it was very funny.  It never
>skipped a beat.

>I've rinsed it off with a bottle of water a couple of times, too.  If
>yours is so easily affected by water, I'd say there is something wrong
>with it.

>-Charles


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Re: PESO - Nocturnal Chicago

2010-06-08 Thread Rick Womer
Thanks, Bob.  My interest in nighttime shooting has been increasing, and was a 
big reason for my getting a K7.

Rick

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--- On Mon, 6/7/10, Bob Sullivan  wrote:

> Rick,
> Interesting photos.  I put the camera away when it's
> dark out.  I'll
> have to rethink that now.
> Regards,  Bob S.
> 
> On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 8:32 PM, Rick Womer 
> wrote:
> > I rather like the effect of the lens flare on this
> one:
> >
> > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11070699
> >
> >
> > This one is more (ahem) pedestrian, perhaps:
> >
> > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11070700
> >
> >
> > (both K10D, FA 50/1.7, ISO 1100, f/2 @ v1/30)
> >
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Re: PESO - Nocturnal Chicago

2010-06-08 Thread Rick Womer
Thanks, Jack!

Most photos provide openings for individual interpretation, of course...

Cheers,

Rick

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--- On Mon, 6/7/10, Jack Davis  wrote:

> I relate more to the second. Nicely
> composed, Rick!
> I see the first as simply providing a scene open to
> individual interpretation.
> 
> Jack
> 
> --- On Mon, 6/7/10, Rick Womer 
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Rick Womer 
> > Subject: PESO - Nocturnal Chicago
> > To: "Pentax List" 
> > Date: Monday, June 7, 2010, 6:32 PM
> > I rather like the effect of the lens
> > flare on this one:
> > 
> > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11070699
> > 
> > 
> > This one is more (ahem) pedestrian, perhaps:
> > 
> > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11070700
> > 
> > 
> > (both K10D, FA 50/1.7, ISO 1100, f/2 @ v1/30)
> > 
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Re: PESO - Nocturnal Chicago

2010-06-08 Thread Rick Womer
Which is to say you like pix of pedestrians?  I've got lots of them!

Cheers,

Rick

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--- On Mon, 6/7/10, Brian Walters  wrote:

> 
> I agree.  Perhaps I've just got pedestrian tastes (not
> that that should
> be taken as inferring that Jack has  :-)>
> 
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> 
> > I see the first as simply providing a scene open to
> individual
> > interpretation.
> > 
> > Jack
> > 
> > --- On Mon, 6/7/10, Rick Womer 
> wrote:
> > 
> > > From: Rick Womer 
> > > Subject: PESO - Nocturnal Chicago
> > > To: "Pentax List" 
> > > Date: Monday, June 7, 2010, 6:32 PM
> > > I rather like the effect of the lens
> > > flare on this one:
> > > 
> > > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11070699
> > > 
> > > 
> > > This one is more (ahem) pedestrian, perhaps:
> > > 
> > > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11070700
> > > 
> > > 
> > > (both K10D, FA 50/1.7, ISO 1100, f/2 @ v1/30)
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Rick
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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Re: PESO - Nocturnal Chicago

2010-06-08 Thread Jack Davis
Some more than others. For me, image #1 approaches the abstract.
I agree, "all" photos leave some room, however small, for individual 
interpretation.

Jack

--- On Tue, 6/8/10, Rick Womer  wrote:

> From: Rick Womer 
> Subject: Re: PESO - Nocturnal Chicago
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 7:55 AM
> Thanks, Jack!
> 
> Most photos provide openings for individual interpretation,
> of course...
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Rick
> 
> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
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> 
> --- On Mon, 6/7/10, Jack Davis 
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> > I relate more to the second. Nicely
> > composed, Rick!
> > I see the first as simply providing a scene open to
> > individual interpretation.
> > 
> > Jack
> > 
> > --- On Mon, 6/7/10, Rick Womer 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > From: Rick Womer 
> > > Subject: PESO - Nocturnal Chicago
> > > To: "Pentax List" 
> > > Date: Monday, June 7, 2010, 6:32 PM
> > > I rather like the effect of the lens
> > > flare on this one:
> > > 
> > > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11070699
> > > 
> > > 
> > > This one is more (ahem) pedestrian, perhaps:
> > > 
> > > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11070700
> > > 
> > > 
> > > (both K10D, FA 50/1.7, ISO 1100, f/2 @ v1/30)
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Rick
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> > > 
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Re: White Balance Lens Cap

2010-06-08 Thread eckinator
I prefer a grey card. I like to think they are more accurate plus they
provide me an 18% exposure readout which the caps don't do. Also, I
kind of assume they have limitations depending on where you point your
camera. Further to that I've seen those caps sold from as low as €
1.99 (eBay) to as high as € 79.90 (local dealer) the latter having
caused raised eyebrows as to their fad rating.
Cheers
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> I hadn't heard of these.  Has anyone tried them and, if so, do they work?
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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-08 Thread Cotty
On 8/6/10, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed:

>The network is also set up to be Mac only, to indoctrinate the kids
>properly from the beginning

John, you're getting the idea ;-)

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Re: White Balance Lens Cap

2010-06-08 Thread Adam Maas
A couple things to remember:

1. Grey cards aren't always neutral. The Kodak ones in particular are
somewhat warm.

2. Your meter is calibrated for approximately 12.5% grey (ISO
standard). Cards are calibrated to 18% grey (Kodak's choice at Ansel
Adams suggestion). Thus grey cards do not actually function as
described but rather cause a slight overexposure .

-Adam

On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 11:35 AM, eckinator  wrote:
> I prefer a grey card. I like to think they are more accurate plus they
> provide me an 18% exposure readout which the caps don't do. Also, I
> kind of assume they have limitations depending on where you point your
> camera. Further to that I've seen those caps sold from as low as €
> 1.99 (eBay) to as high as € 79.90 (local dealer) the latter having
> caused raised eyebrows as to their fad rating.
> Cheers
> Ecke
>
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>> I hadn't heard of these.  Has anyone tried them and, if so, do they work?
>>
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Re: Mini GESO - Same image; different crops

2010-06-08 Thread Bruce Dayton
I'm with Bob on this one.  Because the girl is not THE subject, but
more of a prop - as you described, cropping to make her more
prominent doesn't really help.  So I vote for uncropped with darker
clouds.

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BS> Brian,
BS> All look pretty good to me.
BS> My preference is for the original, perhaps with the darker clouds.
BS> I'd want to keep the water on the left and little rise on the right,
BS> for the sense of place they provide.
BS> The pano is attractive as well.
BS> Regards, Bob S.

BS> On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 6:20 AM, Brian Walters  
wrote:
>> G'day all
>>
>> On my recent trip to the north coast of New South Wales, I came across
>> this track leading up to a coastal headland.  I thought it would make an
>> interesting image in the right light but I also thought it would be more
>> interesting with someone walking along the track.
>>
>> Not having anyone handy to use as a model, I sat down beside the track,
>> pre-focused on an appropriate point and waited
>>
>> After 15-20 minutes, this very attractive young lady walked by.  She
>> said "Hello".  I said "G'day".  She walked up the track and I grabbed
>> this image.
>>
>> Here's several crops - I'm tending towards Crop 3 but it loses the patch
>> of ocean on the left which, although small, gives the other crops a bit
>> of context.
>>
>> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/NSW-Qld_May_2010/index.html
>>
>>
>> What say you?  Any other suggestions?  The uncropped version is No:1 and
>> the final image is a quick and dirty B&W conversion to see if there's
>> any potential there.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> ++
>> Brian Walters
>> Western Sydney Australia
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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-08 Thread Bruce Dayton
Isn't that the 'Apple' way?  Tight control?

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Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 6:19:51 AM, you wrote:

JS> This is probably going to be my last on Mac vs PC for now. I'm getting
JS> busy at school and barely have time to follow the list.

JS> There are about 70 students in my class, broken into three sections.

JS> Among the 70, there are maybe 10 who are over the age of 21. All the 
JS> rest are right out of high school.

JS> The network is also set up to be Mac only, to indoctrinate the kids 
JS> properly from the beginning. I don't know what their experience with 
JS> computers in school prior to this has been, but I think it might have 
JS> been rather apple-centric.

JS> What I think is going on is the Mac network at school is screwed down 
JS> really tight to keep the students from doing anything that might screw
JS> with it. You can't change any preferences, and no allowance is even made
JS> for saving those preferences as a script on your own drive.

JS> Basically, it's just not set up to play nice with those who already know
JS> something about a different way of doing things, and no allowance is 
JS> made for the diversity of those who use Windoze at home.

JS> Not a matter of can't ... won't.







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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-08 Thread Cotty
On 8/6/10, Bruce Dayton, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Isn't that the 'Apple' way?  Tight control?

Ridiculous!

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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-08 Thread Bruce Dayton
See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil...

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Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 9:35:53 AM, you wrote:

C> On 8/6/10, Bruce Dayton, discombobulated, unleashed:

>>Isn't that the 'Apple' way?  Tight control?

C> Ridiculous!

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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-08 Thread Cotty
On 8/6/10, Bruce Dayton, discombobulated, unleashed:

>See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil...

;-)



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Boris, PESO #22 and #23 -

2010-06-08 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi!

Two PESOs:

#22 - A riddle: http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2010/06/peso-2010-22-riddle.html
#23 - Cell phone experiment:
http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2010/06/peso-2010-23-cell-phone-project.html

Be brutal and honest, as usual.

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Re: Boris, PESO #22 and #23 -

2010-06-08 Thread Jack Davis
Like "Riddle." Can't be certain, but I might like it better with the gray 
smudges/shadows on the left removed and with a slight crop of that edge.

Cell phone shot raises a question as to the focus point. It appears 
impractically low in the frame. May, of course, just be true in this image.(?)
Overall color and foreground detail is very good!

Jack

Jack
--- On Tue, 6/8/10, Boris Liberman  wrote:

> From: Boris Liberman 
> Subject: Boris, PESO #22 and #23 -
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 9:55 AM
> Hi!
> 
> Two PESOs:
> 
> #22 - A riddle: 
> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2010/06/peso-2010-22-riddle.html
> #23 - Cell phone experiment:
> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2010/06/peso-2010-23-cell-phone-project.html
> 
> Be brutal and honest, as usual.
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Re: First GFM report

2010-06-08 Thread Mark Roberts
Cotty wrote:

>On 6/6/10, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>The weekend was long, beautiful, grueling and rewarding. Nothing beats
>>seeing old friends at such a fabulous place for such a great event.
>
>Stef and I reminisced about last year's trip by looking through some
>pics and video on Saturday evening after dinner on the patio. We vowed
>to try and make it next year, and by golly She Who Must Be Obeyed even
>wants to come along to see what all the fuss is about.
>
>That's a tall order at this stage but hey if you aim too low.
>
>Looking forward to some pics and reports :)

I'm transferring photos to my computer now. On line soon...

Oh yes, and video too, eventually :)

BTW: Next year marks the 10th anniversary of the first PDML meetup at
the Grandfather Mountain Nature Photography Weekend. In 2001 it was
myself, Doug Brewer, Tom Van Veen, Bill Owens, John DeLoach and
Jeepgirl. That year it was possible to show up on Friday and sign up
for the event on the spot. (2002 was the first year it sold out in
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Re: Boris, PESO #22 and #23 -

2010-06-08 Thread Richard D Bush

Boris,

The cell phone photo is very good. Maybe it won't stand a 16x20  
enlargement, but it is most usable for lots of things.


RB

On Jun 8, 2010, at 10:55 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:

Hi!

Two PESOs:

#22 - A riddle: http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2010/06/peso-2010-22-riddle.html
#23 - Cell phone experiment:
http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2010/06/peso-2010-23-cell-phone-project.html

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Re: White Balance Lens Cap

2010-06-08 Thread eckinator
2010/6/8 Adam Maas :
> A couple things to remember:
>
> 1. Grey cards aren't always neutral. The Kodak ones in particular are
> somewhat warm.
>
> 2. Your meter is calibrated for approximately 12.5% grey (ISO
> standard). Cards are calibrated to 18% grey (Kodak's choice at Ansel
> Adams suggestion). Thus grey cards do not actually function as
> described but rather cause a slight overexposure .

Totally correct, Adam. Thank you for the reminder.
IIRC there is a way to correct this in LR. Once I own LR (hopefully
soon) I will ask again; someone here knows the answer I think.
Cheers
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Re: K-7 or K-x

2010-06-08 Thread eckinator
2010/6/8 AlunFoto :
>
> Not a Burzinsky. I think they look just too weird... :-)

LOL yeah the guy has a free mind... who needs design anyway =)

> Mine is a RRS 55mm ballhead with a lever-clamped quick-release.
> http://reallyrightstuff.com/mmRRS/Images/gallery/BH55LR.png
>
> Which I feel very good about.

Looks nice like it can hold its own. Like the double portrait cutouts.
Cheers
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Re: White Balance Lens Cap

2010-06-08 Thread CheekyGeek
Oops. I'm apparently sending Rich Text messages to this list again.
RESEN


On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 12:17 PM, eckinator  wrote:

> IIRC there is a way to correct this in LR.


Of course you can correct it. The idea of using the white balance cap
shot is so you don't have to.
: )

Sure it (expodisc and others) works, but...
http://www.flickr.com/groups/diyphotographynet/discuss/72157603931692288/

Feel free so send me a portion of the money I just saved you.
: )

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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-08 Thread steve harley

On 2010-06-08 10:28 , Bruce Dayton wrote:

Isn't that the 'Apple' way?  Tight control?



it has nothing to do with Apple -- if the school were using Windows it 
seems clear they'd have a similar policy; i've seen the same kind of 
policy (for Windows and/or Mac) in various environments with shared 
computers



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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-08 Thread Bruce Dayton
Seem to have touched a raw nerve.

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Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 10:29:04 AM, you wrote:

sh> On 2010-06-08 10:28 , Bruce Dayton wrote:
>> Isn't that the 'Apple' way?  Tight control?
>>

sh> it has nothing to do with Apple -- if the school were using Windows it
sh> seems clear they'd have a similar policy; i've seen the same kind of 
sh> policy (for Windows and/or Mac) in various environments with shared 
sh> computers





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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-08 Thread steve harley

On 2010-06-08 11:32 , Bruce Dayton wrote:

Seem to have touched a raw nerve.



eh? just wasn't a sensible comment

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PESO: The One That Got Away

2010-06-08 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
This one is submitted for the humor value.

Photography is like fishing:  sometimes it seems that the big catch
always gets away.

Over the weekend, I looked out my window to see three fawns playing in
the back yard.  (By now, you all know how I love to photograph deer,
and especially fawns.)  I grabbed my camera and ran out on the deck.
As soon as they saw my camera, they all began to scatter.  I managed
to get an image of two fawns next to a doe, but I really wanted one of
the cute little guy by himself.  As he took off, I tried to pan after
his and squeezed off a quick shot before he entered the undergrowth.
Below in the pitiful result.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11102572

I can't decide whether to print it and hang it on my wall as a
reminder of my photographic limits, or give it a title like "Study in
Color and Motion #72" and enter it in an art contest.

Dan

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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-08 Thread Bruce Dayton
If you could see the forest through the trees, I think you would see
it as sensible.

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Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 10:47:23 AM, you wrote:

sh> On 2010-06-08 11:32 , Bruce Dayton wrote:
>> Seem to have touched a raw nerve.
>>

sh> eh? just wasn't a sensible comment




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Re: Lightroom catalogs chaining (a question really)

2010-06-08 Thread Sam L
> On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Suppose I've a LR catalog A. Now, it is very big and I want to take
> part of it out and make a separate catalog (suppose it is all my
> family album pictures for sake of example). So I make catalog B that
> contains a subset of pictures from catalog A. I then go and remove
> from A all the pictures that are in B.
>
> Now, is there a way in which I can say to LightRoom something like -
> here is the (soft link) location from which you should consult catalog
> B and have all this knowledge displayed somehow when I open catalog A?
> Effectively I want to divide my pictures to sub-catalogs but I want to
> have a single point of entry to this whole structure.


Boris,

My friend, who shall remain anonymous does the following.  He has a
laptop with a not-so-big drive on it.  The drive is not big enough for
all of his photos.  On the laptop he has a directory where all his
photos go.  Maybe something like this:
c:\sams_photo_files\
When he downloads them to his computer he makes a new directory as
required, maybe something like this:
c:\sams_photo_files\2010\20100601 - Dads Birthday\
Then he imports all of his pictures into lightroom and works with them
there etc.
For the physical files in the directories above, he leaves the newer
files on his laptop.  But the old stuff (say anything before 2008) he
removes the files/directories and stores them physically on a backup
drive.  And the drive has the same simple file structure.
His backup drive might look something like this:

e:\sams_stuff\sams_photo_files\2008\...
e:\sams_stuff\sams_photo_files\2009\...
e:\sams_stuff\sams_photo_files\2010\20100501 - Pentax EVIL Camera Preview\
e:\sams_stuff\sams_photo_files\2010\\20100601 - Dads Birthday\
etc

Lightroom mostly allows him to look at his collections, tags, photos,
etc, for the files that are no longer physically on his laptop.  If he
wants to manipulate/edit those files, however, he would first need to
copy the old directory and files from the backup drive back onto his
laptop.

What this does not do for you is to cut down on the size of your
lightroom database file.
What it does do, is allow you to keep a relatively light footprint of
physical photo files on your computer and offload most of those files
to a backup drive.

I just thought I'd throw this out there.  No doubt the experts will
have 101 reasons not to do this.  It's not the cleanest solution and
probably doesn't accomplish what you want.  But maybe it will get you
thinking about some other options.

And by the way, I have only used lightroom a handfull of times, so am
almost entirely clueless about it.

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Re: K-7 or K-x

2010-06-08 Thread AlunFoto
2010/6/8 eckinator :
>> Mine is a RRS 55mm ballhead with a lever-clamped quick-release.
>> http://reallyrightstuff.com/mmRRS/Images/gallery/BH55LR.png
>>
>> Which I feel very good about.
>
> Looks nice like it can hold its own. Like the double portrait cutouts.

The winning point for me at the time of purchase was low weight, low
profile and the good "glove factor" of the knobs.

When I bought the 600/4, I got a Wimberley Head to go with it, but
quickly learned that the RRS ball head plus a Sidekick had just as
good stability, at half the weight and many times the versatility. The
precision in the size of the portrait cutouts is instrumental there,
because they leave the camera plate exactly vertical.

The RRS heads come at a price premium, but it seems to me it's quality
through and through.

Jostein

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Re: Lightroom catalogs chaining (a question really)

2010-06-08 Thread Charles Robinson
On Jun 8, 2010, at 13:23, Sam L wrote:
> For the physical files in the directories above, he leaves the newer
> files on his laptop.  But the old stuff (say anything before 2008) he
> removes the files/directories and stores them physically on a backup
> drive.  And the drive has the same simple file structure.
> His backup drive might look something like this:
> 
> e:\sams_stuff\sams_photo_files\2008\...
> e:\sams_stuff\sams_photo_files\2009\...
> e:\sams_stuff\sams_photo_files\2010\20100501 - Pentax EVIL Camera Preview\
> e:\sams_stuff\sams_photo_files\2010\\20100601 - Dads Birthday\
> etc
> 
> Lightroom mostly allows him to look at his collections, tags, photos,
> etc, for the files that are no longer physically on his laptop.  If he
> wants to manipulate/edit those files, however, he would first need to
> copy the old directory and files from the backup drive back onto his
> laptop.
> 

You could do it that way, but it's much more work than you need to go through.

Next time you want to edit an old photo... click on the question-mark in the 
corner of the thumbnail and it will ask you where you want it to look for the 
location of that file now.  Point it to the right folder (you might need to 
click on the actual file - can't remember for sure) on that external drive, 
tell it you'd like it to find other missing files that may be nearby, and 
you're good to go.

Now you don't need to move/copy anything around again - just have that external 
drive plugged in when you want to work with old files.

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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-08 Thread steve harley

On 2010-06-08 12:18 , Bruce Dayton wrote:

If you could see the forest through the trees, I think you would see
it as sensible.


i see a forest of attitude through trees of poorly-aimed snark

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Re: OT Card reader question

2010-06-08 Thread steve harley
a slight diversion, but i think it's worth mentioning that some 
computers have card readers built-in, which may seem a small 
convenience, but if you use it enough it can be a major selling point; i 
certainly use the SD slot in my computer a lot


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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-08 Thread Bruce Dayton
I bow to the Apple god who must always be vindicated.  I'm done.

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Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 11:37:24 AM, you wrote:

sh> On 2010-06-08 12:18 , Bruce Dayton wrote:
>> If you could see the forest through the trees, I think you would see
>> it as sensible.

sh> i see a forest of attitude through trees of poorly-aimed snark




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Re: Lightroom catalogs chaining (a question really)

2010-06-08 Thread William Robb


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He probably meant to say Weyburn Saskatchewan.




Bill, by saying that someone else is not bad, I don't immediately imply 
that you're not so... Jealousy is one of the deadly sins, if I am not 
mistaken ;-).




Apparently you've never been to Weyburn.

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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-08 Thread William Robb


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On 2010-06-08 12:18 , Bruce Dayton wrote:

If you could see the forest through the trees, I think you would see
it as sensible.


i see a forest of attitude through trees of poorly-aimed snark



I see another batch of tiresome Mac users blowing smoke out their asses.
But that's just me. Pay me no mind, I know I don't.

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DA* 16-50 2.8 faulty?

2010-06-08 Thread Chris Mitchell
Intermittently, it's not auto focussing in the middle distance on my K-7 (so
SDM). I've tried it on many types of subject and when it goes wrong, it
hunts and the only option for me is to focus manually.

Has anyone else had this problem? Is it the "SDM" issue that others have
mentioned? Anything obvious I should be looking into?

Of course, it's well out of warranty - was bought in November 2007.

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RE: White Balance Lens Cap [Scanned][Spam score:8%]

2010-06-08 Thread John Whittingham
You can get a "Digital" greycard, specificly for DSLR's, I have one, works 
really well. IIRC I got it for free on a camera mag cover here in the UK, 
lighter in colour to the Kodak grey cards which I also own for film use

Regards,

John

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A couple things to remember:

1. Grey cards aren't always neutral. The Kodak ones in particular are
somewhat warm.

2. Your meter is calibrated for approximately 12.5% grey (ISO
standard). Cards are calibrated to 18% grey (Kodak's choice at Ansel
Adams suggestion). Thus grey cards do not actually function as
described but rather cause a slight overexposure .

-Adam

On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 11:35 AM, eckinator  wrote:
> I prefer a grey card. I like to think they are more accurate plus they
> provide me an 18% exposure readout which the caps don't do. Also, I
> kind of assume they have limitations depending on where you point your
> camera. Further to that I've seen those caps sold from as low as €
> 1.99 (eBay) to as high as € 79.90 (local dealer) the latter having
> caused raised eyebrows as to their fad rating.
> Cheers
> Ecke
>
> 2010/6/8 Steven Desjardins :
>> I hadn't heard of these.  Has anyone tried them and, if so, do they work?
>>
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Re: White Balance Lens Cap

2010-06-08 Thread Mark Roberts
Adam Maas wrote:

>Your meter is calibrated for approximately 12.5% grey (ISO
>standard). 

I believe it's ANSI standard "ANSI PH3.49-1971" As far as I know it
hasn't been made into an ISO standard. Did I miss it?

>Cards are calibrated to 18% grey (Kodak's choice at Ansel
>Adams suggestion). Thus grey cards do not actually function as
>described but rather cause a slight overexposure .

Kodak, at least, provides instructions with their 18% gray card that
you should meter off the card and then dial in 1/3-to-1/2 stop
underexposure.



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Re: Lightroom catalogs chaining (a question really)

2010-06-08 Thread Sam L
>On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Charles Robinson  wrote:
>> On Jun 8, 2010, at 13:23, Sam L wrote:
>> For the physical files in the directories above, he leaves the newer
>> files on his laptop.  But the old stuff (say anything before 2008) he
>> removes the files/directories and stores them physically on a backup
>> drive.  And the drive has the same simple file structure.
>> His backup drive might look something like this:
>>
>> e:\sams_stuff\sams_photo_files\2008\...
>> e:\sams_stuff\sams_photo_files\2009\...
>> e:\sams_stuff\sams_photo_files\2010\20100501 - Pentax EVIL Camera Preview\
>> e:\sams_stuff\sams_photo_files\2010\\20100601 - Dads Birthday\
>> etc
>>
>> Lightroom mostly allows him to look at his collections, tags, photos,
>> etc, for the files that are no longer physically on his laptop.  If he
>> wants to manipulate/edit those files, however, he would first need to
>> copy the old directory and files from the backup drive back onto his
>> laptop.
>>
>
> You could do it that way, but it's much more work than you need to go through.
>
> Next time you want to edit an old photo... click on the question-mark in the 
> corner of the thumbnail and it will ask you where you want it to look for the 
> location of that file now.  Point it to the right folder (you might need to 
> click on the actual file - can't remember for sure) on that external drive, 
> tell it you'd like it to find other missing files that may be nearby, and 
> you're good to go.


Thanks Charles.  I will pass on that tip!

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Re: Lightroom catalogs chaining (a question really)

2010-06-08 Thread Charles Robinson
On Jun 8, 2010, at 14:38, Sam L wrote:
>> 
>> You could do it that way, but it's much more work than you need to go 
>> through.
>> 
>> Next time you want to edit an old photo... click on the question-mark in the 
>> corner of the thumbnail and it will ask you where you want it to look for 
>> the location of that file now.  Point it to the right folder (you might need 
>> to click on the actual file - can't remember for sure) on that external 
>> drive, tell it you'd like it to find other missing files that may be nearby, 
>> and you're good to go.
> 
> 
> Thanks Charles.  I will pass on that tip!
> 

To expand further, the beauty of this is you can have all of your images even 
on a DVD (clearly a READ-ONLY medium), and due to the non-destructive editing 
of Lightroom, you can STILL edit them from that source.  A most wonderful thing.

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Re: DA* 16-50 2.8 faulty?

2010-06-08 Thread eckinator
sounds more like the af itself - they don't call it saFOX hunt for othing...

2010/6/8 Chris Mitchell :
> Intermittently, it's not auto focussing in the middle distance on my K-7 (so
> SDM). I've tried it on many types of subject and when it goes wrong, it
> hunts and the only option for me is to focus manually.
>
> Has anyone else had this problem? Is it the "SDM" issue that others have
> mentioned? Anything obvious I should be looking into?
>
> Of course, it's well out of warranty - was bought in November 2007.
>
> Chris
>
>
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Re: Lightroom catalogs chaining (a question really)

2010-06-08 Thread David Parsons
I do that, but instead of copying the files back and forth to work on
them, I just added my storage drive into LR so it can see them
directly.  Most of the time the folder isn't connected, but when I
need to access them, I browse to the folder in Windows, and it
reconnects, then LR can access the files again.

Saves on needless moving of files (which would be a real PITA and a
waste of time).

On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Sam L  wrote:
>> On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
>> Hi!
>>
>> Suppose I've a LR catalog A. Now, it is very big and I want to take
>> part of it out and make a separate catalog (suppose it is all my
>> family album pictures for sake of example). So I make catalog B that
>> contains a subset of pictures from catalog A. I then go and remove
>> from A all the pictures that are in B.
>>
>> Now, is there a way in which I can say to LightRoom something like -
>> here is the (soft link) location from which you should consult catalog
>> B and have all this knowledge displayed somehow when I open catalog A?
>> Effectively I want to divide my pictures to sub-catalogs but I want to
>> have a single point of entry to this whole structure.
>
>
> Boris,
>
> My friend, who shall remain anonymous does the following.  He has a
> laptop with a not-so-big drive on it.  The drive is not big enough for
> all of his photos.  On the laptop he has a directory where all his
> photos go.  Maybe something like this:
> c:\sams_photo_files\
> When he downloads them to his computer he makes a new directory as
> required, maybe something like this:
> c:\sams_photo_files\2010\20100601 - Dads Birthday\
> Then he imports all of his pictures into lightroom and works with them
> there etc.
> For the physical files in the directories above, he leaves the newer
> files on his laptop.  But the old stuff (say anything before 2008) he
> removes the files/directories and stores them physically on a backup
> drive.  And the drive has the same simple file structure.
> His backup drive might look something like this:
>
> e:\sams_stuff\sams_photo_files\2008\...
> e:\sams_stuff\sams_photo_files\2009\...
> e:\sams_stuff\sams_photo_files\2010\20100501 - Pentax EVIL Camera Preview\
> e:\sams_stuff\sams_photo_files\2010\\20100601 - Dads Birthday\
> etc
>
> Lightroom mostly allows him to look at his collections, tags, photos,
> etc, for the files that are no longer physically on his laptop.  If he
> wants to manipulate/edit those files, however, he would first need to
> copy the old directory and files from the backup drive back onto his
> laptop.
>
> What this does not do for you is to cut down on the size of your
> lightroom database file.
> What it does do, is allow you to keep a relatively light footprint of
> physical photo files on your computer and offload most of those files
> to a backup drive.
>
> I just thought I'd throw this out there.  No doubt the experts will
> have 101 reasons not to do this.  It's not the cleanest solution and
> probably doesn't accomplish what you want.  But maybe it will get you
> thinking about some other options.
>
> And by the way, I have only used lightroom a handfull of times, so am
> almost entirely clueless about it.
>
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Re: White Balance Lens Cap

2010-06-08 Thread Adam Maas
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> Adam Maas wrote:
>
>>Your meter is calibrated for approximately 12.5% grey (ISO
>>standard).
>
> I believe it's ANSI standard "ANSI PH3.49-1971" As far as I know it
> hasn't been made into an ISO standard. Did I miss it?

ISO 2720:1974 and ISO 2721:1982 are the relevant standards although I
suspect they don't mirror the ANSI standard so much as pick a similar
calibration point.

ANSI standards have essentially no bearing on the Photographic world,
and they haven't since the early 1960's and the effective death of the
US Camera industry outside of film production. The last real vestige
was ASA ratings (important since Kodak remains a major film producer)
but even that got swallowed by ISO standards.

-Adam

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Re: OT Card reader question

2010-06-08 Thread Adam Maas
My PC has a SD reader in it. Like most built-in readers it's
convenient but rather much on the slow side. I use my Sandisk 12-in-1
reader instead.

On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 2:38 PM, steve harley  wrote:
> a slight diversion, but i think it's worth mentioning that some computers
> have card readers built-in, which may seem a small convenience, but if you
> use it enough it can be a major selling point; i certainly use the SD slot
> in my computer a lot
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Re: First GFM report

2010-06-08 Thread Cotty
On 8/6/10, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:

>BTW: Next year marks the 10th anniversary of the first PDML meetup at
>the Grandfather Mountain Nature Photography Weekend.

Oh sweet Jesus - now you've gone and done it.

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PESO: Cathedral Rocks

2010-06-08 Thread Jack Davis
I'm given you a couple or three days break, but that's it!
Another look at Bridalveil falls, but isolated with the feature known as 
Cathedral Rocks.
Shot from Tunnel View, the valley's most popular photo location.

Comments warmly received.

Jack

Color..
http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=517

B&W..
http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=518


  

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Re: White Balance Lens Cap

2010-06-08 Thread David Parsons
A frosted Pringles cap or coffee can lid works exactly the same.

Perrsonally, I'll take my WB off a sheet of white paper when I have to
set a custom WB.

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>
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Re: PESO: Cathedral Rocks

2010-06-08 Thread Cotty
On 8/6/10, Jack Davis, discombobulated, unleashed:

>B&W..

>http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=518

Captivating :)

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Re: PESO: Cathedral Rocks

2010-06-08 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Gorgeous!  I prefer the color version.

Dan

On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 4:36 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> I'm given you a couple or three days break, but that's it!
> Another look at Bridalveil falls, but isolated with the feature known as 
> Cathedral Rocks.
> Shot from Tunnel View, the valley's most popular photo location.
>
> Comments warmly received.
>
> Jack
>
> Color..
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=517
>
> B&W..
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=518
>
>
>
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Re: PESO: Cathedral Rocks

2010-06-08 Thread Bruce Dayton
Wonderful image!  I much prefer the color for this one.  Boy do I
have to get down there!

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Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 1:36:00 PM, you wrote:

JD> I'm given you a couple or three days break, but that's it!
JD> Another look at Bridalveil falls, but isolated with the feature known as 
Cathedral Rocks.
JD> Shot from Tunnel View, the valley's most popular photo location.

JD> Comments warmly received.

JD> Jack

JD> Color..
JD> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=517

JD> B&W..
JD> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=518


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Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-08 Thread P. J. Alling

On 6/8/2010 12:28 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote:

Isn't that the 'Apple' way?  Tight control?

   

/Strict/ control, (ask Cotty).

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Re: First GFM report

2010-06-08 Thread David J Brooks
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Cotty  wrote:
> On 8/6/10, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>BTW: Next year marks the 10th anniversary of the first PDML meetup at
>>the Grandfather Mountain Nature Photography Weekend.
>
> Oh sweet Jesus - now you've gone and done it.
>
> GFM enablement...whatever next?

Looks like i'll have to make it now, even if Cotty might be there as well.:-)

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Re: OT Card reader question

2010-06-08 Thread David J Brooks
Mine is about 8 1.2 years old and on USB 1. Take it from there.:-)

Dave

On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 2:38 PM, steve harley  wrote:
> a slight diversion, but i think it's worth mentioning that some computers
> have card readers built-in, which may seem a small convenience, but if you
> use it enough it can be a major selling point; i certainly use the SD slot
> in my computer a lot
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RE: OT Card reader question

2010-06-08 Thread Bob W
This PC ( a netbook ) has an SD reader built in. The bigger computer (17"
laptop) has a multicard reader built in. All very convenient except they
didn't include CF, which is what I use in the Olympus. 

Bob

> 
> My PC has a SD reader in it. Like most built-in readers it's
> convenient but rather much on the slow side. I use my Sandisk 12-in-1
> reader instead.
> 
> On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 2:38 PM, steve harley 
> wrote:
> > a slight diversion, but i think it's worth mentioning that some
> computers
> > have card readers built-in, which may seem a small convenience, but
> if you
> > use it enough it can be a major selling point; i certainly use the SD
> slot
> > in my computer a lot



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RE: Lightroom catalogs chaining (a question really)

2010-06-08 Thread Bob W
[...]
> 
> In fact, Bob, you don't have to convince me that I could live without
> this feature, 'cause I've been alive so far. I am thinking that my life
> would be slightly easier with this capability. The rest as usual, is up
> to time and Adobe Dilberts...
> 

actually, I don't think it is a matter of time. I don't think you will ever
see this feature - it would cause more problems than it solves.

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Re: Peso Stone and bush

2010-06-08 Thread David J Brooks
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 11:30 PM, Brian Walters  wrote:
> On Mon, 07 Jun 2010 13:43 -0400, "David J Brooks" 
> wrote:
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11103020
>>
>> From Sibbald's Point. There are a number of stones were the bush as
>> crept up to them and some
>> have been swallowed up into the brush.
>>
>> K10D, D AF 50-200
>>
>
>
>
> That's a nice composition - good balance.
>
> I wonder if a touch more contrast on the stone would bring out the text
> a bit better, although it does look fairly weather worn.

Not sure, it is pretty beaten up.

Dave
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>
> Cheers
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RE: Lightroom catalogs chaining (a question really)

2010-06-08 Thread Bob W
> 
> Basically, what I want is to retain the completeness of my keywords
> data
> base, so that if I want to find photos of my daughter or photos of
> Jerusalem, I won't have to remember to search both in my local photo
> collection and in those photos that I shot when you came. Though I
> suppose I gave similar example earlier.
> 
> In principle, I am thinking that the organizational information
> (directory trees, keywording trees, etc) is reasonably small part of
> what the catalog contains all together. Thus, I think that it can be
> factored out in a manner of speaking.
> 
> But Bob W convinced me that presently this is all but a theory...
> 

it's not a theory Boris, it's a logical contradicition.




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RE: Lightroom catalogs chaining (a question really)

2010-06-08 Thread Bob W
 >I would have them marched off the premises and sent
> >> to live in Boise, Idaho.
> >
> > I happen to know at least one man living exactly there and he seems
> like
> > a good guy to me... ;-)
> >
> 
> He probably meant to say Weyburn Saskatchewan.
> 

I sure did, but Boise Idaho is easier to pronounce.




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Re: OT Card reader question

2010-06-08 Thread David J Brooks
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 5:33 PM, Bob W  wrote:
> This PC ( a netbook ) has an SD reader built in. The bigger computer (17"
> laptop) has a multicard reader built in. All very convenient except they
> didn't include CF, which is what I use in the Olympus.
>
> Bob

I have four cameras that all use CF cards so that would be a must.

Dave
>
>>
>> My PC has a SD reader in it. Like most built-in readers it's
>> convenient but rather much on the slow side. I use my Sandisk 12-in-1
>> reader instead.
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 2:38 PM, steve harley 
>> wrote:
>> > a slight diversion, but i think it's worth mentioning that some
>> computers
>> > have card readers built-in, which may seem a small convenience, but
>> if you
>> > use it enough it can be a major selling point; i certainly use the SD
>> slot
>> > in my computer a lot
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RE: Lightroom catalogs chaining (a question really)

2010-06-08 Thread Bob W
> > Suppose I've a LR catalog A. Now, it is very big and I want to take
> > part of it out and make a separate catalog (suppose it is all my
> > family album pictures for sake of example). So I make catalog B that
> > contains a subset of pictures from catalog A. I then go and remove
> > from A all the pictures that are in B.
> >
> > Now, is there a way in which I can say to LightRoom something like -
> > here is the (soft link) location from which you should consult
> catalog
> > B and have all this knowledge displayed somehow when I open catalog
> A?
> > Effectively I want to divide my pictures to sub-catalogs but I want
> to
> > have a single point of entry to this whole structure.
> 
> 
> Boris,
> 
> My friend, who shall remain anonymous does the following.  He has a
> laptop with a not-so-big drive on it.  The drive is not big enough for
> all of his photos.  On the laptop he has a directory where all his
> photos go.  Maybe something like this:
> c:\sams_photo_files\
> When he downloads them to his computer he makes a new directory as
> required, maybe something like this:
> c:\sams_photo_files\2010\20100601 - Dads Birthday\
> Then he imports all of his pictures into lightroom and works with them
> there etc.
> For the physical files in the directories above, he leaves the newer
> files on his laptop.  But the old stuff (say anything before 2008) he
> removes the files/directories and stores them physically on a backup
> drive.  And the drive has the same simple file structure.
> His backup drive might look something like this:
> 
> e:\sams_stuff\sams_photo_files\2008\...
> e:\sams_stuff\sams_photo_files\2009\...
> e:\sams_stuff\sams_photo_files\2010\20100501 - Pentax EVIL Camera
> Preview\
> e:\sams_stuff\sams_photo_files\2010\\20100601 - Dads Birthday\
> etc
> 
> Lightroom mostly allows him to look at his collections, tags, photos,
> etc, for the files that are no longer physically on his laptop.  If he
> wants to manipulate/edit those files, however, he would first need to
> copy the old directory and files from the backup drive back onto his
> laptop.
> 
> What this does not do for you is to cut down on the size of your
> lightroom database file.
> What it does do, is allow you to keep a relatively light footprint of
> physical photo files on your computer and offload most of those files
> to a backup drive.
> 
> I just thought I'd throw this out there.  No doubt the experts will
> have 101 reasons not to do this.  It's not the cleanest solution and
> probably doesn't accomplish what you want.  But maybe it will get you
> thinking about some other options.
> 
> And by the way, I have only used lightroom a handfull of times, so am
> almost entirely clueless about it.

that's all quite reasonable, but Boris wants to split the catalogue itself,
not the collection of files - different problem.

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RE: Lightroom catalogs chaining (a question really)

2010-06-08 Thread Bob W
> >> He probably meant to say Weyburn Saskatchewan.
> 
> >
> > Bill, by saying that someone else is not bad, I don't immediately
> imply
> > that you're not so... Jealousy is one of the deadly sins, if I am not
> > mistaken ;-).
> >
> 
> Apparently you've never been to Weyburn.
> 

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yacht
He's moved like Harlow in Monte Carlo and showed 'em what he's got
He's been undressed by queens and he's seen some things that a nice Jewish
boy ain't supposed to see
He's been to paradise, but he's never been to Weyburn




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Re: PESO: Cathedral Rocks

2010-06-08 Thread Jack Davis
Nice of you Cotty. Thanks!

Jack

--- On Tue, 6/8/10, Cotty  wrote:

> From: Cotty 
> Subject: Re: PESO: Cathedral Rocks
> To: "pentax list" 
> Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 1:48 PM
> On 8/6/10, Jack Davis,
> discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
> >B&W..
> 
> >http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=518
> 
> Captivating :)
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RE: Mini GESO - Same image; different crops

2010-06-08 Thread Bob W
> 
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/NSW-Qld_May_2010/index.html
> 
> 
> What say you?  Any other suggestions?  The uncropped version is No:1
> and
> the final image is a quick and dirty B&W conversion to see if there's
> any potential there.

stick with the first one. Her head is on the intersection of 3rds. On all
the others it isn't, and that's where your eye needs to go. First, anyway -
it will quickly wander downwards...

It's a really nice shot, better in colour than b&w.

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Re: PESO: Cathedral Rocks

2010-06-08 Thread Jack Davis
Grateful for your pleasing comment, Dan!

Jack

--- On Tue, 6/8/10, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:

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> Subject: Re: PESO: Cathedral Rocks
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> Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 1:53 PM
> Gorgeous!  I prefer the color
> version.
> 
> Dan
> 
> On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 4:36 PM, Jack Davis 
> wrote:
> > I'm given you a couple or three days break, but that's
> it!
> > Another look at Bridalveil falls, but isolated with
> the feature known as Cathedral Rocks.
> > Shot from Tunnel View, the valley's most popular photo
> location.
> >
> > Comments warmly received.
> >
> > Jack
> >
> > Color..
> > http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=517
> >
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Re: PESO: Cathedral Rocks

2010-06-08 Thread Jack Davis
Awfully nice to read, Bruce.
Prime opportunity for, perhaps, the next couple months.
Tried to get this shot at sunrise, but got held up for 20 or 30 minutes, by 
roadwork, at the Bridalveil turn off. Day dawned completely cloudless, so 
really didn't make that much difference. The sun has to be well up to reach to 
the valley floor, therefore, low sun lighting influence is greatly compromised.

Jack

--- On Tue, 6/8/10, Bruce Dayton  wrote:

> From: Bruce Dayton 
> Subject: Re: PESO: Cathedral Rocks
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 1:59 PM
> Wonderful image!  I much prefer
> the color for this one.  Boy do I
> have to get down there!
> 
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> 
> 
> Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 1:36:00 PM, you wrote:
> 
> JD> I'm given you a couple or three days break, but
> that's it!
> JD> Another look at Bridalveil falls, but isolated with
> the feature known as Cathedral Rocks.
> JD> Shot from Tunnel View, the valley's most popular
> photo location.
> 
> JD> Comments warmly received.
> 
> JD> Jack
> 
> JD> Color..
> JD> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=517
> 
> JD> B&W..
> JD> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=518
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