Re: PESO 2010 - 176-184 - GDG

2010-10-21 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
thanks frank!

 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi ramar...@mac.com wrote:
  http://godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com/against-the-rules

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Re: Lightroom 3 question

2010-10-21 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
 With Lightroom 3, every time I create a subdirectory, it collapses the 
 directory in the left column so all that I see is the parent.  Is there a way 
 to configure LR so that it doesn't do this?

Unfortunately no. I consider it a minor bug and filed a bug report;
suggest you do the same.

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OT: new camera

2010-10-21 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I pulled the trigger and bought a new camera today. Sorry, it isn't a Pentax.

I usually don't buy anything new right out of the gate. Particularly
pro-class cameras ... I usually wait until they get well into the
market, until the issues and workarounds are known, until the prices
drop a little bit. I usually wait until my image processing tools can
handle their raw files.

The Olympus E-5 manual is in front of me. The battery is charged, the
50 Macro is on the body, a card is in the slot.

I'd put in an order for one yesterday on Amazon but their vendors had
already sold out the first shipment. No biggie, I'm patient. Today,
the local store called and said, We have one for you. I went up to
see it, dickered a little on the price (sales tax here would be almost
$160), we came to an agreement discounting the price, and I took it
home.

First very raw impression: I did the Right Thing. Since I'm fully
setup with all the FourThirds pro-grade lenses, flash and accessories
I need, it only made sense to keep going and get a current pro-grade
body. I'd planned to buy an E-3 when the E-5 came out, take advantage
of the usual dip in prices. But when I read the spec, the E-5 had all
the right improvements for my needs. It feels great in my hands, I
like the control layout and menus, the viewfinder is superb. It's very
responsive, and pretty darn quiet in operation. The rest ... well, I'm
only a few pages into the manual as yet. There's a lot in here.

I hope Adobe hurries up with DNG Converter/Camera Raw and Lightroom
upgrades. I need to book some work and let this beastie pay for
itself. :-)

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Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-21 Thread drd1135
The 50 macro is a great lens. Enjoy the new purchase!
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Subject: OT: new camera

I pulled the trigger and bought a new camera today. Sorry, it isn't a Pentax.

I usually don't buy anything new right out of the gate. Particularly
pro-class cameras ... I usually wait until they get well into the
market, until the issues and workarounds are known, until the prices
drop a little bit. I usually wait until my image processing tools can
handle their raw files.

The Olympus E-5 manual is in front of me. The battery is charged, the
50 Macro is on the body, a card is in the slot.

I'd put in an order for one yesterday on Amazon but their vendors had
already sold out the first shipment. No biggie, I'm patient. Today,
the local store called and said, We have one for you. I went up to
see it, dickered a little on the price (sales tax here would be almost
$160), we came to an agreement discounting the price, and I took it
home.

First very raw impression: I did the Right Thing. Since I'm fully
setup with all the FourThirds pro-grade lenses, flash and accessories
I need, it only made sense to keep going and get a current pro-grade
body. I'd planned to buy an E-3 when the E-5 came out, take advantage
of the usual dip in prices. But when I read the spec, the E-5 had all
the right improvements for my needs. It feels great in my hands, I
like the control layout and menus, the viewfinder is superb. It's very
responsive, and pretty darn quiet in operation. The rest ... well, I'm
only a few pages into the manual as yet. There's a lot in here.

I hope Adobe hurries up with DNG Converter/Camera Raw and Lightroom
upgrades. I need to book some work and let this beastie pay for
itself. :-)

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Animal crackers

2010-10-21 Thread Bob W
It's that time of year again when you decide to lock your cameras away and
take up something easy instead.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-11588616

Bob


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Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-21 Thread Boris Liberman

On 10/21/2010 8:36 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

First very raw impression: I did the Right Thing. Since I'm fully
setup with all the FourThirds pro-grade lenses, flash and accessories
I need, it only made sense to keep going and get a current pro-grade
body.


Congratulations... I will pass my judgment when you finish reading the 
manual and start showing pictures ;-).


Boris

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Re: Peso: Fall Morning

2010-10-21 Thread David Mann
On Oct 21, 2010, at 11:56 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

 Found this fog the other morning...
 
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11827871size=md
 
 So is this a keeper or what?

Oh, yes.  Very nice.

Dave

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Re: A night for Pentax

2010-10-21 Thread Derby Chang

On 21/10/2010 6:05 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

On Oct 20, 2010, at 3:46 AM, Derby Chang wrote:


On 20/10/2010 8:03 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

Some friends of mine are the house band for a weekly blues pro-jam in Santa 
Clara. They were having a special event tonight, featuring a young (16 y.o.) 
musician that has been getting some good publicity lately. I figured that was a 
good excuse to head over there.  Shortly after I sat down with a couple of 
friends, I noticed that the woman at the table behind me had a Pentax sitting 
on her table. It turns out that it was a K10D.  A while later, she was joined 
by someone who pulled out an *istD.  The only other DSLR in use that night was 
a D200 that was owned by the drummer, and being used by another friend of mine.

It's always a pleasant surprise to find someone else shooting Pentax, but to be 
at an event with the people shooting Pentax DSLRs, one person Nikon and no 
Canon or Sony, when it isn't a PDML event, seemed almost surreal.


If there are no pics, it didn't happen.

These pictures are shite quality, but since you asked:
K10D in the foreground
My K-x on the table in the back ground
Val King and his *istD behind

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157625205871766/




Wave function collapsed. Looks good

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Re: Peso: Fall Morning

2010-10-21 Thread Derby Chang

On 21/10/2010 9:56 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

Found this fog the other morning...

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11827871size=md

So is this a keeper or what?

Regards,  Bob S.



Superb. I love how the horizon disappears in the mist. Back this up 
several times.


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Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-21 Thread frank theriault
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 2:36 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote:
 I pulled the trigger and bought a new camera today. Sorry, it isn't a Pentax.

 I usually don't buy anything new right out of the gate. Particularly
 pro-class cameras ... I usually wait until they get well into the
 market, until the issues and workarounds are known, until the prices
 drop a little bit. I usually wait until my image processing tools can
 handle their raw files.

 The Olympus E-5 manual is in front of me. The battery is charged, the
 50 Macro is on the body, a card is in the slot.

 I'd put in an order for one yesterday on Amazon but their vendors had
 already sold out the first shipment. No biggie, I'm patient. Today,
 the local store called and said, We have one for you. I went up to
 see it, dickered a little on the price (sales tax here would be almost
 $160), we came to an agreement discounting the price, and I took it
 home.

 First very raw impression: I did the Right Thing. Since I'm fully
 setup with all the FourThirds pro-grade lenses, flash and accessories
 I need, it only made sense to keep going and get a current pro-grade
 body. I'd planned to buy an E-3 when the E-5 came out, take advantage
 of the usual dip in prices. But when I read the spec, the E-5 had all
 the right improvements for my needs. It feels great in my hands, I
 like the control layout and menus, the viewfinder is superb. It's very
 responsive, and pretty darn quiet in operation. The rest ... well, I'm
 only a few pages into the manual as yet. There's a lot in here.

 I hope Adobe hurries up with DNG Converter/Camera Raw and Lightroom
 upgrades. I need to book some work and let this beastie pay for
 itself. :-)

Cool!

Congrats on your new purchase - I know you'll put it to great use.

cheers,
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OT: Stroboscope gallery

2010-10-21 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2010/10/make_volume_24_stroboscope_gallery.html

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Re: Flash bracket question

2010-10-21 Thread John Sessoms

From: Joseph McAllister

On Oct 20, 2010, at 20:03 , John Sessoms wrote:


 From: Charles Robinson

 I was doing some flash photography yesterday... using a hand-held,
 cable-connected, off-camera AF540 in combination with the on-camera
 flash (so-called contrast-control mode) and I realized that what
 I'd like (sometimes) is a bracket to hold that big flash off-camera
 for me.

 But... I'd also like it, if not too much more expensive, to be one of
 those brackets that holds the flash/camera in such a way that I can
 go vertical with the camera and the flash will still be up above the
 camera - kind of like the camera swivels inside the bracket.  I'm
 pretty sure I've read that such a thing exists.

 My Google-foo is usually pretty good and I can find this sort of
 thing with a bit of digging, but right now I'm stinking at it.
 Suggestions/recommendations would be greatly appreciated.


 Something like this?

 
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/423692-REG/Custom_Brackets_DIGITALPRO_Digital_PRO_Camera_Rotation.html



More affordable, with many features, including the ability to raise
the flash an additional few inches when needed, and made so that you
can hold the camera and not the bracket. Still have the same problem
with the vertical button on the bottom. I've asked them why not have
the thing designed so the flash column and mount are on the right so
the button is up. They did not know why.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/313176-REG/Custom_Brackets_CBJUNIOR_CB_Junior_Flash_Rotating.html#accessories




The one I've actually been using is the Stroboframe Pro-T flash bracket.

I've got a Manfrotto 322 QR Adapter mounted on it to take the camera, 
and Hot Shoe Adapter F - F5P 3' Extension Cord - Off Camera Shoe 
Adapter F for the flash.


The bracket will flip the flash for vertical shooting, but you will end 
up with the flash sideways.


There's an old Stroboframe model that allowed you to rotate the camera 
for vertical shooting while the flash remained upright, but I don't 
think they make that one any more.


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Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-21 Thread Steven Desjardins
OK, now I'm not typing on a phone.  I've always liked Olympus and the
way their cameras feel and work.  When I sold most of my stuff I
debated selling it all and switching to a 4./3 DSLR like the E3 or E5.
 like you, I saw how this would complement my investment in 4/3, in my
case micro 4/3.  Even the Evolt 300 I had was fine once I chucked the
kit zoom and put the 50 on it.  (What's up with the Oly kit zooms?  My
experience has been terrible, both 4/3 and micro 4/3.)  I'll be
curious to here more details. as you use it.

I don't regret buying the K7 BTW.  I have some favorite Pentax lenses
and the K7 just works for me, unlike the K10D.  We're always curious
about the road not taken.

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 7:38 AM, frank theriault
knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 2:36 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote:
 I pulled the trigger and bought a new camera today. Sorry, it isn't a Pentax.

 I usually don't buy anything new right out of the gate. Particularly
 pro-class cameras ... I usually wait until they get well into the
 market, until the issues and workarounds are known, until the prices
 drop a little bit. I usually wait until my image processing tools can
 handle their raw files.

 The Olympus E-5 manual is in front of me. The battery is charged, the
 50 Macro is on the body, a card is in the slot.

 I'd put in an order for one yesterday on Amazon but their vendors had
 already sold out the first shipment. No biggie, I'm patient. Today,
 the local store called and said, We have one for you. I went up to
 see it, dickered a little on the price (sales tax here would be almost
 $160), we came to an agreement discounting the price, and I took it
 home.

 First very raw impression: I did the Right Thing. Since I'm fully
 setup with all the FourThirds pro-grade lenses, flash and accessories
 I need, it only made sense to keep going and get a current pro-grade
 body. I'd planned to buy an E-3 when the E-5 came out, take advantage
 of the usual dip in prices. But when I read the spec, the E-5 had all
 the right improvements for my needs. It feels great in my hands, I
 like the control layout and menus, the viewfinder is superb. It's very
 responsive, and pretty darn quiet in operation. The rest ... well, I'm
 only a few pages into the manual as yet. There's a lot in here.

 I hope Adobe hurries up with DNG Converter/Camera Raw and Lightroom
 upgrades. I need to book some work and let this beastie pay for
 itself. :-)

 Cool!

 Congrats on your new purchase - I know you'll put it to great use.

 cheers,
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Re: Peso: Fall Morning

2010-10-21 Thread Paul Sorenson

 Definitely a keeper...and maybe a 16x20 on the wall.

-p

On 10/20/2010 5:56 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

Found this fog the other morning...

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11827871size=md

So is this a keeper or what?

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Re: PESO - The Last Leaf

2010-10-21 Thread David J Brooks
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:36 PM, frank theriault
knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hope you enjoy.

Did

Dave

 http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2010/10/last-leaf.html

 Comments welcome.

 *istD, Tamron SP 90mm f2.5 macro, Manfrotto monopod.

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Re: Peso: Fall Morning

2010-10-21 Thread Boris Liberman

Super keeper, Bob.

Boris


On 10/21/2010 12:56 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

Found this fog the other morning...

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11827871size=md

So is this a keeper or what?

Regards,  Bob S.




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Re: PESO 2010 - 176-184 - GDG

2010-10-21 Thread Boris Liberman
Lovely gallery, Godfrey. I can hardly recall any time when I did not 
enjoy looking at your work.


I also don't think about the rules when I shoot. I just shoot. And I 
don't tell Galia about the rules either. She just shoots.


On 10/19/2010 11:54 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

More photos, a new blog post.

  http://godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com/against-the-rules

Feel free to jump to Flickr through the slide show link! :-)

comments always appreciated, thanks for looking.

Godfrey
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it doesn't seem to have reached any of the usual locations with the first send.




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Re: PESO - Waiting Bride

2010-10-21 Thread Boris Liberman

Does the description pensive apply here? I think it does.

On 10/21/2010 1:03 AM, Rick Womer wrote:

On the porch of a church in Center City Philly, late Saturday afternoon:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11807437

Rick








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Re: PESO - Untitled

2010-10-21 Thread Boris Liberman

Most enjoyable in a subtle and quiet way. No title necessary, IMHO.

On 10/20/2010 1:09 PM, frank theriault wrote:

A good title hasn't come to me yet:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/10/untitled.html

All suggestions gratefully considered.

Hope you enjoy.

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Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-21 Thread Jeffery Smith
HNCD! I look forward to your comments as you start using it regularly.

Jeffery


On Oct 21, 2010, at 1:36 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

 I pulled the trigger and bought a new camera today. Sorry, it isn't a Pentax.
 
 I usually don't buy anything new right out of the gate. Particularly
 pro-class cameras ... I usually wait until they get well into the
 market, until the issues and workarounds are known, until the prices
 drop a little bit. I usually wait until my image processing tools can
 handle their raw files.
 
 The Olympus E-5 manual is in front of me. The battery is charged, the
 50 Macro is on the body, a card is in the slot.
 
 I'd put in an order for one yesterday on Amazon but their vendors had
 already sold out the first shipment. No biggie, I'm patient. Today,
 the local store called and said, We have one for you. I went up to
 see it, dickered a little on the price (sales tax here would be almost
 $160), we came to an agreement discounting the price, and I took it
 home.
 
 First very raw impression: I did the Right Thing. Since I'm fully
 setup with all the FourThirds pro-grade lenses, flash and accessories
 I need, it only made sense to keep going and get a current pro-grade
 body. I'd planned to buy an E-3 when the E-5 came out, take advantage
 of the usual dip in prices. But when I read the spec, the E-5 had all
 the right improvements for my needs. It feels great in my hands, I
 like the control layout and menus, the viewfinder is superb. It's very
 responsive, and pretty darn quiet in operation. The rest ... well, I'm
 only a few pages into the manual as yet. There's a lot in here.
 
 I hope Adobe hurries up with DNG Converter/Camera Raw and Lightroom
 upgrades. I need to book some work and let this beastie pay for
 itself. :-)
 
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Re: A night for Pentax

2010-10-21 Thread Steven Desjardins
Oh no.  I'm not going down the Islamic puns road.

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 - Original Message - From: Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: A night for Pentax


 These pictures are shite quality, but since you asked:

 Is Shite Quality on the rear LCD or is that a menu setting?

 The Sunni you figure that out the better off you'll be.


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Re: Peso: Fall Morning

2010-10-21 Thread Bob Sullivan
Frank, DaveB, Detroit Paul, Walter, Jack, Phil, DaveM, Derby,
Milwaukee Paul, and Boris

Thanks for the positive replies.  I'll keep it!
I am a terrible judge of my own work, and this one is so sparse I had
to question it.

Regards,  Bob S.


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 Found this fog the other morning...

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11827871size=md

 So is this a keeper or what?

 Regards,  Bob S.


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Re: A night for Pentax

2010-10-21 Thread P. J. Alling

So we can take that Allah way to the Bank?

On 10/21/2010 10:48 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

Oh no.  I'm not going down the Islamic puns road.

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:44 PM, Ken Wallerkwal...@peoplepc.com  wrote:

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- Original Message - From: Steven Desjardinsdrd1...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: A night for Pentax



These pictures are shite quality, but since you asked:

Is Shite Quality on the rear LCD or is that a menu setting?

The Sunni you figure that out the better off you'll be.


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PESO: Fall Fan

2010-10-21 Thread Jack Davis
Another from yesterday's Fall Drive offering. Strong back lighting subdued 
the Birch (?) trunks somewhat.
Since I previously gave locations, this obligatory tree trunk shot, was, also, 
shot on Hwy 88.
 

Jack

Comments?

K20, DA 16~45. Correction; Yersterday's Cabin shot was with K10, DA*50~135.

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Re: A night for Pentax

2010-10-21 Thread Jeffery Smith
Remind me, what the Sunni 16 rule?


On Oct 21, 2010, at 11:26 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:

 So we can take that Allah way to the Bank?
 
 On 10/21/2010 10:48 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
 Oh no.  I'm not going down the Islamic puns road.
 
 On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:44 PM, Ken Wallerkwal...@peoplepc.com  wrote:
 Kenneth Waller
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
 
 - Original Message - From: Steven Desjardinsdrd1...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: A night for Pentax
 
 
 These pictures are shite quality, but since you asked:
 
 Is Shite Quality on the rear LCD or is that a menu setting?
 The Sunni you figure that out the better off you'll be.
 
 
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Re: A night for Pentax

2010-10-21 Thread Larry Colen

On Oct 21, 2010, at 7:48 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

 Oh no.  I'm not going down the Islamic puns road.

I'm afraid you didn't say that sunni-nuf and it has allahready started.

 
 On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:44 PM, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:
 
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 - Original Message - From: Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: A night for Pentax
 
 
 These pictures are shite quality, but since you asked:
 
 Is Shite Quality on the rear LCD or is that a menu setting?
 
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Re: PESO: Fall Fan

2010-10-21 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Very lovely shot with a real feeling for the place and the season.

Dan

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 Another from yesterday's Fall Drive offering. Strong back lighting subdued 
 the Birch (?) trunks somewhat.
 Since I previously gave locations, this obligatory tree trunk shot, was, 
 also, shot on Hwy 88.


 Jack

 Comments?

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Re: PESO - Untitled

2010-10-21 Thread frank theriault
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 Most enjoyable in a subtle and quiet way. No title necessary, IMHO.

Thanks, Boris.  I think I'll take your advice and leave it untitled
for at least a while.  Sooner or later something will come to me (or
not).  OTOH, perhaps Waiting for Cormot...

;-)

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The 2011 Mediocrity

2010-10-21 Thread Larry Colen
I don't watch TV, so I've missed this ad campaign:

http://www.subaru.com/content/static/fightmediocrity/vid2.html


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Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-21 Thread Steven Desjardins
HNCD?  Happy New Camera, Dude?

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:19 AM, Jeffery Smith jsmith...@gmail.com wrote:
 HNCD! I look forward to your comments as you start using it regularly.

 Jeffery


 On Oct 21, 2010, at 1:36 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

 I pulled the trigger and bought a new camera today. Sorry, it isn't a Pentax.

 I usually don't buy anything new right out of the gate. Particularly
 pro-class cameras ... I usually wait until they get well into the
 market, until the issues and workarounds are known, until the prices
 drop a little bit. I usually wait until my image processing tools can
 handle their raw files.

 The Olympus E-5 manual is in front of me. The battery is charged, the
 50 Macro is on the body, a card is in the slot.

 I'd put in an order for one yesterday on Amazon but their vendors had
 already sold out the first shipment. No biggie, I'm patient. Today,
 the local store called and said, We have one for you. I went up to
 see it, dickered a little on the price (sales tax here would be almost
 $160), we came to an agreement discounting the price, and I took it
 home.

 First very raw impression: I did the Right Thing. Since I'm fully
 setup with all the FourThirds pro-grade lenses, flash and accessories
 I need, it only made sense to keep going and get a current pro-grade
 body. I'd planned to buy an E-3 when the E-5 came out, take advantage
 of the usual dip in prices. But when I read the spec, the E-5 had all
 the right improvements for my needs. It feels great in my hands, I
 like the control layout and menus, the viewfinder is superb. It's very
 responsive, and pretty darn quiet in operation. The rest ... well, I'm
 only a few pages into the manual as yet. There's a lot in here.

 I hope Adobe hurries up with DNG Converter/Camera Raw and Lightroom
 upgrades. I need to book some work and let this beastie pay for
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Re: The 2011 Mediocrity

2010-10-21 Thread Steven Desjardins
Check out the colors: Medium Crumb and Stale Biscuit, which, of
course, as the same.

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Re: PESO: Fall Fan

2010-10-21 Thread frank theriault
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Another from yesterday's Fall Drive offering. Strong back lighting subdued 
 the Birch (?) trunks somewhat.
 Since I previously gave locations, this obligatory tree trunk shot, was, 
 also, shot on Hwy 88.

Beautiful light makes the photo!

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Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-21 Thread paul stenquist

On Oct 21, 2010, at 2:11 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

 HNCD?  Happy New Camera, Dude?

Husky Norwegians Can't Dunk.

 
 On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:19 AM, Jeffery Smith jsmith...@gmail.com wrote:
 HNCD! I look forward to your comments as you start using it regularly.
 
 Jeffery
 
 
 On Oct 21, 2010, at 1:36 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
 
 I pulled the trigger and bought a new camera today. Sorry, it isn't a 
 Pentax.
 
 I usually don't buy anything new right out of the gate. Particularly
 pro-class cameras ... I usually wait until they get well into the
 market, until the issues and workarounds are known, until the prices
 drop a little bit. I usually wait until my image processing tools can
 handle their raw files.
 
 The Olympus E-5 manual is in front of me. The battery is charged, the
 50 Macro is on the body, a card is in the slot.
 
 I'd put in an order for one yesterday on Amazon but their vendors had
 already sold out the first shipment. No biggie, I'm patient. Today,
 the local store called and said, We have one for you. I went up to
 see it, dickered a little on the price (sales tax here would be almost
 $160), we came to an agreement discounting the price, and I took it
 home.
 
 First very raw impression: I did the Right Thing. Since I'm fully
 setup with all the FourThirds pro-grade lenses, flash and accessories
 I need, it only made sense to keep going and get a current pro-grade
 body. I'd planned to buy an E-3 when the E-5 came out, take advantage
 of the usual dip in prices. But when I read the spec, the E-5 had all
 the right improvements for my needs. It feels great in my hands, I
 like the control layout and menus, the viewfinder is superb. It's very
 responsive, and pretty darn quiet in operation. The rest ... well, I'm
 only a few pages into the manual as yet. There's a lot in here.
 
 I hope Adobe hurries up with DNG Converter/Camera Raw and Lightroom
 upgrades. I need to book some work and let this beastie pay for
 itself. :-)
 
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Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-21 Thread Jeffery Smith
Happy New Camera Day. It is used more often in guitar forums (HNGD), where the 
obsession to buy new axes is far worse than camera junkies.

Jeffery


On Oct 21, 2010, at 1:11 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

 HNCD?  Happy New Camera, Dude?
 
 On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:19 AM, Jeffery Smith jsmith...@gmail.com wrote:
 HNCD! I look forward to your comments as you start using it regularly.
 
 Jeffery
 
 
 On Oct 21, 2010, at 1:36 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
 
 I pulled the trigger and bought a new camera today. Sorry, it isn't a 
 Pentax.
 
 I usually don't buy anything new right out of the gate. Particularly
 pro-class cameras ... I usually wait until they get well into the
 market, until the issues and workarounds are known, until the prices
 drop a little bit. I usually wait until my image processing tools can
 handle their raw files.
 
 The Olympus E-5 manual is in front of me. The battery is charged, the
 50 Macro is on the body, a card is in the slot.
 
 I'd put in an order for one yesterday on Amazon but their vendors had
 already sold out the first shipment. No biggie, I'm patient. Today,
 the local store called and said, We have one for you. I went up to
 see it, dickered a little on the price (sales tax here would be almost
 $160), we came to an agreement discounting the price, and I took it
 home.
 
 First very raw impression: I did the Right Thing. Since I'm fully
 setup with all the FourThirds pro-grade lenses, flash and accessories
 I need, it only made sense to keep going and get a current pro-grade
 body. I'd planned to buy an E-3 when the E-5 came out, take advantage
 of the usual dip in prices. But when I read the spec, the E-5 had all
 the right improvements for my needs. It feels great in my hands, I
 like the control layout and menus, the viewfinder is superb. It's very
 responsive, and pretty darn quiet in operation. The rest ... well, I'm
 only a few pages into the manual as yet. There's a lot in here.
 
 I hope Adobe hurries up with DNG Converter/Camera Raw and Lightroom
 upgrades. I need to book some work and let this beastie pay for
 itself. :-)
 
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Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-21 Thread paul stenquist
Ac
On Oct 21, 2010, at 2:26 PM, paul stenquist wrote:

 
 On Oct 21, 2010, at 2:11 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
 
 HNCD?  Happy New Camera, Dude?
 
 Husky Norwegians Can't Dunk.

HIghly Noxious Cow Dung --  a polite replacement for steaming pile of 
bullshit. 

 
 
 On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:19 AM, Jeffery Smith jsmith...@gmail.com wrote:
 HNCD! I look forward to your comments as you start using it regularly.
 
 Jeffery
 
 
 On Oct 21, 2010, at 1:36 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
 
 I pulled the trigger and bought a new camera today. Sorry, it isn't a 
 Pentax.
 
 I usually don't buy anything new right out of the gate. Particularly
 pro-class cameras ... I usually wait until they get well into the
 market, until the issues and workarounds are known, until the prices
 drop a little bit. I usually wait until my image processing tools can
 handle their raw files.
 
 The Olympus E-5 manual is in front of me. The battery is charged, the
 50 Macro is on the body, a card is in the slot.
 
 I'd put in an order for one yesterday on Amazon but their vendors had
 already sold out the first shipment. No biggie, I'm patient. Today,
 the local store called and said, We have one for you. I went up to
 see it, dickered a little on the price (sales tax here would be almost
 $160), we came to an agreement discounting the price, and I took it
 home.
 
 First very raw impression: I did the Right Thing. Since I'm fully
 setup with all the FourThirds pro-grade lenses, flash and accessories
 I need, it only made sense to keep going and get a current pro-grade
 body. I'd planned to buy an E-3 when the E-5 came out, take advantage
 of the usual dip in prices. But when I read the spec, the E-5 had all
 the right improvements for my needs. It feels great in my hands, I
 like the control layout and menus, the viewfinder is superb. It's very
 responsive, and pretty darn quiet in operation. The rest ... well, I'm
 only a few pages into the manual as yet. There's a lot in here.
 
 I hope Adobe hurries up with DNG Converter/Camera Raw and Lightroom
 upgrades. I need to book some work and let this beastie pay for
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Re: PESO: Fall Fan

2010-10-21 Thread Jack Davis
Appreciated comments, Dan.

Jack

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 Subject: Re: PESO: Fall Fan
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Thursday, October 21, 2010, 10:58 AM
 Very lovely shot with a real feeling
 for the place and the season.
 
 Dan
 
 On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
  Another from yesterday's Fall Drive offering. Strong
 back lighting subdued the Birch (?) trunks somewhat.
  Since I previously gave locations, this obligatory
 tree trunk shot, was, also, shot on Hwy 88.
 
 
  Jack
 
  Comments?
 
  K20, DA 16~45. Correction; Yersterday's Cabin shot
 was with K10, DA*50~135.
 
  http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=533
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: PESO: Fall Fan

2010-10-21 Thread Jack Davis
Thanks for commenting, Frank.

Jack

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 From: frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: PESO: Fall Fan
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Thursday, October 21, 2010, 11:23 AM
 On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 12:29 PM,
 Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
  Another from yesterday's Fall Drive offering. Strong
 back lighting subdued the Birch (?) trunks somewhat.
  Since I previously gave locations, this obligatory
 tree trunk shot, was, also, shot on Hwy 88.
 
 Beautiful light makes the photo!
 
 cheers,
 frank
 
 
 
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Re: The 2011 Mediocrity

2010-10-21 Thread DagT
Funny, but even the Subaru is built for the mediocrity, that is two small kids 
and their parents. Anyone tried to pack three boys and luggage for three weeks 
into a car like that? I don´t know about other parts of the world but in Norway 
cars and houses built for three growing kids are getting hard to find...

After looking at a lot of different cars we bought a Volvo XC70 .-)


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 I don't watch TV, so I've missed this ad campaign:
 
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Re: The 2011 Mediocrity

2010-10-21 Thread Steven Desjardins
In America, we only have small cars.  Of course, we also have SUVs as well ;-)

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 3:43 PM, DagT li...@thrane.name wrote:
 Funny, but even the Subaru is built for the mediocrity, that is two small 
 kids and their parents. Anyone tried to pack three boys and luggage for three 
 weeks into a car like that? I don´t know about other parts of the world but 
 in Norway cars and houses built for three growing kids are getting hard to 
 find...

 After looking at a lot of different cars we bought a Volvo XC70 .-)


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Re: The 2011 Mediocrity

2010-10-21 Thread DagT
Well most SUVs we found were either large on the outside but didn´t have much 
space inside, or the tax system made them very expensive. Only the rich can 
have more than two children :-/

DagT

Den 21. okt. 2010 kl. 21.46 skrev Steven Desjardins:

 In America, we only have small cars.  Of course, we also have SUVs as well ;-)
 
 On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 3:43 PM, DagT li...@thrane.name wrote:
 Funny, but even the Subaru is built for the mediocrity, that is two small 
 kids and their parents. Anyone tried to pack three boys and luggage for 
 three weeks into a car like that? I don´t know about other parts of the 
 world but in Norway cars and houses built for three growing kids are getting 
 hard to find...
 
 After looking at a lot of different cars we bought a Volvo XC70 .-)
 
 
 DagT
 http://www.thrane.name
 
 
 
 Den 21. okt. 2010 kl. 20.11 skrev Larry Colen:
 
 I don't watch TV, so I've missed this ad campaign:
 
 http://www.subaru.com/content/static/fightmediocrity/vid2.html
 
 
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Re: The 2011 Mediocrity

2010-10-21 Thread Steven Desjardins
We have an Imprezza and an Outback.  The Outback is our hauling car.

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 4:00 PM, DagT li...@thrane.name wrote:
 Well most SUVs we found were either large on the outside but didn´t have much 
 space inside, or the tax system made them very expensive. Only the rich can 
 have more than two children :-/

 DagT

 Den 21. okt. 2010 kl. 21.46 skrev Steven Desjardins:

 In America, we only have small cars.  Of course, we also have SUVs as well 
 ;-)

 On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 3:43 PM, DagT li...@thrane.name wrote:
 Funny, but even the Subaru is built for the mediocrity, that is two small 
 kids and their parents. Anyone tried to pack three boys and luggage for 
 three weeks into a car like that? I don´t know about other parts of the 
 world but in Norway cars and houses built for three growing kids are 
 getting hard to find...

 After looking at a lot of different cars we bought a Volvo XC70 .-)


 DagT
 http://www.thrane.name



 Den 21. okt. 2010 kl. 20.11 skrev Larry Colen:

 I don't watch TV, so I've missed this ad campaign:

 http://www.subaru.com/content/static/fightmediocrity/vid2.html


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Re: The 2011 Mediocrity

2010-10-21 Thread DagT
Outback was too small. Forester almost large enough but my wife didn´t like it 
.-)


Den 21. okt. 2010 kl. 22.04 skrev Steven Desjardins:

 We have an Imprezza and an Outback.  The Outback is our hauling car.
 
 On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 4:00 PM, DagT li...@thrane.name wrote:
 Well most SUVs we found were either large on the outside but didn´t have 
 much space inside, or the tax system made them very expensive. Only the rich 
 can have more than two children :-/
 
 DagT
 
 Den 21. okt. 2010 kl. 21.46 skrev Steven Desjardins:
 
 In America, we only have small cars.  Of course, we also have SUVs as well 
 ;-)
 
 On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 3:43 PM, DagT li...@thrane.name wrote:
 Funny, but even the Subaru is built for the mediocrity, that is two small 
 kids and their parents. Anyone tried to pack three boys and luggage for 
 three weeks into a car like that? I don´t know about other parts of the 
 world but in Norway cars and houses built for three growing kids are 
 getting hard to find...
 
 After looking at a lot of different cars we bought a Volvo XC70 .-)
 
 
 DagT
 http://www.thrane.name
 
 
 
 Den 21. okt. 2010 kl. 20.11 skrev Larry Colen:
 
 I don't watch TV, so I've missed this ad campaign:
 
 http://www.subaru.com/content/static/fightmediocrity/vid2.html
 
 
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RE: The 2011 Mediocrity

2010-10-21 Thread John Sessoms

From: Larry Colen

I don't watch TV, so I've missed this ad campaign:

http://www.subaru.com/content/static/fightmediocrity/vid2.html



You know, I'd been thinking about getting a TV.

Guess not.

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Re: The 2011 Mediocrity

2010-10-21 Thread Walter Gilbert

 The Impreza WRX STi is a hauling car, too.

http://www.subaru.com/vehicles/impreza-wrx/index.html

It hauls ass.

-- Walt



On 10/21/2010 3:04 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

We have an Imprezza and an Outback.  The Outback is our hauling car.

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 4:00 PM, DagTli...@thrane.name  wrote:

Well most SUVs we found were either large on the outside but didn´t have much 
space inside, or the tax system made them very expensive. Only the rich can 
have more than two children :-/

DagT

Den 21. okt. 2010 kl. 21.46 skrev Steven Desjardins:


In America, we only have small cars.  Of course, we also have SUVs as well ;-)

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 3:43 PM, DagTli...@thrane.name  wrote:

Funny, but even the Subaru is built for the mediocrity, that is two small kids 
and their parents. Anyone tried to pack three boys and luggage for three weeks 
into a car like that? I don´t know about other parts of the world but in Norway 
cars and houses built for three growing kids are getting hard to find...

After looking at a lot of different cars we bought a Volvo XC70 .-)


DagT
http://www.thrane.name



Den 21. okt. 2010 kl. 20.11 skrev Larry Colen:


I don't watch TV, so I've missed this ad campaign:

http://www.subaru.com/content/static/fightmediocrity/vid2.html


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Re: The 2011 Mediocrity

2010-10-21 Thread Larry Colen

On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:43 PM, DagT wrote:

 Funny, but even the Subaru is built for the mediocrity, that is two small 
 kids and their parents. Anyone tried to pack three boys and luggage for three 
 weeks into a car like that? I don´t know about other parts of the world but 
 in Norway cars and houses built for three growing kids are getting hard to 
 find...

I wouldn't say that all Subies are for the mediocrity:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQGx28B1p6M

I got to drive a friend's WRX a few years back.  You really have to trail brake 
to get them to turn in, but a 4WD power on drift coming out of the esses at 
Thunderhill was rather fun.

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Re: OT GESO - The (sydney)magazine Food Hall of Fame Dinner, Glass

2010-10-21 Thread frank theriault
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Derby Chang der...@iinet.net.au wrote:
  (Sorry if this appears twice)

 A bit more indulgence. This was a classy night. Hilton Hotel, Glass
 Restaurant, with special guest chef, Peter Gilmore of Quay

 http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/10/10_10/10_10_glass/index.htm

 Peter is a spectacularly inventive creator, and his new book was on sale on
 the night (I bought two). Food pr0n lovers, you will be highly stimulated

 http://www.ansonsmart.com/

 http://www.quay.com.au/page/book2.html

 (the only place I could find with some sample
 photos...http://adrianerdedi.com/palate/quay-peter-gilmore/)

Nice series.  If it tastes as good as it looks, you had a wonderful night!

;-)

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Re: Peso: Just Pretty

2010-10-21 Thread frank theriault
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It sure is!

Where is it?

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Re: PESO - Down and Up

2010-10-21 Thread frank theriault
On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 5:06 PM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Looking down on the path by the Schuylkill River from the Chestnut St. bridge:

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11807398

 ...and the other way:

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11807394size=lg


Interesting concept, well done.

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Re: PESO: Insomnia

2010-10-21 Thread frank theriault
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 1:46 AM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote:
 Our favorite coffee shop in Dublin:

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11803353

 Comments, Suggestions, Criticisms and Abuse all are Welcome.


Cool!

Well seen.

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Pentax M 40mm f/2.8 pancake

2010-10-21 Thread Nick David Wright
So I've been looking at getting an M 40mm f/2.8 pancake. But I've been
looking at pictures and that focus ring looks terribly tiny.

How does this lens handle? Is it as hard to focus as it appears it would be?

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Re: Pentax M 40mm f/2.8 pancake

2010-10-21 Thread P N Stenquist


On Oct 21, 2010, at 5:25 PM, Nick David Wright wrote:


So I've been looking at getting an M 40mm f/2.8 pancake. But I've been
looking at pictures and that focus ring looks terribly tiny.

How does this lens handle? Is it as hard to focus as it appears it  
would be?


It's not all that difficult. I just used the thumb and first finger of  
my left hand to focus.  Took a bit if getting used to, but after a few  
shots I quit thinking about it. It's the same motion employed in  
manually focusing any lens, so it's not  much of a transition.

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RE: Pentax M 40mm f/2.8 pancake

2010-10-21 Thread Bob W
 So I've been looking at getting an M 40mm f/2.8 pancake. But I've been
 looking at pictures and that focus ring looks terribly tiny.
 
 How does this lens handle? Is it as hard to focus as it appears it would
be?

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RE: The 2011 Mediocrity

2010-10-21 Thread Bob W
 I don't watch TV, so I've missed this ad campaign:
 
 http://www.subaru.com/content/static/fightmediocrity/vid2.html
 

they've got it all wrong about vanilla.

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Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-21 Thread Jaume Lahuerta


  On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 2:36 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com 
wrote:  I  pulled the trigger and bought a new camera today. Sorry, it isn't 
a  
Pentax.

 
  I usually don't buy anything new right out of the gate.  Particularly
  pro-class cameras ... I usually wait until they get well  into the
  market, until the issues and workarounds are known, until the  prices
  drop a little bit. I usually wait until my image processing tools  can
  handle their raw files.
 
  The Olympus E-5 manual is in  front of me. The battery is charged, the
  50 Macro is on the body, a card  is in the slot.
 
  I'd put in an order for one yesterday on Amazon  but their vendors had
  already sold out the first shipment. No biggie,  I'm patient. Today,
  the local store called and said, We have one for  you. I went up to
  see it, dickered a little on the price (sales tax  here would be almost
  $160), we came to an agreement discounting the  price, and I took it
  home.
 
  First very raw impression: I  did the Right Thing. Since I'm fully
  setup with all the FourThirds  pro-grade lenses, flash and accessories
  I need, it only made sense to  keep going and get a current pro-grade
  body. I'd planned to buy an E-3  when the E-5 came out, take advantage
  of the usual dip in prices. But  when I read the spec, the E-5 had all
  the right improvements for my  needs. It feels great in my hands, I
  like the control layout and menus,  the viewfinder is superb. It's very
  responsive, and pretty darn quiet in  operation. The rest ... well, I'm
  only a few pages into the manual as  yet. There's a lot in here.
 

Congratulations Godfrey.

However, I have some doubts about the 4/3 - m4/3 systems:

For me 4/3 was about compactness: 'hey, forget those dinosaurs tied to the film 
era...'.
But I have just checked and the K-5 is smaller and lighter than the E-5...

Maybe for this reason everybody assumes that the E-5 will be the last 4/3 
camera 
and the future of this format is in the flourishing m4/3 system (and probably 
the next 'pro' body will be in some sort of m4/3).

But also, looking at the last products from Samsung and Sony, I am not also 
sure 
about the size advantage of m4/3 again.
And, since IQ will be always inferior at 4/3 land (as FF fanboys like to say 
when bashing APS-C)...waht is the sustainable advantage of m4/3 over Sony Nex 
cameras, for instance?

Regards,
Jaume


  

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Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-21 Thread Steven Desjardins
Pixel peepers and sensor snobs will never use four thirds.  However,
the images are fine and thats what matters.  The very high level pro
cameras won't go this way but sub $100 small EVIL cams will do just
fine.  Especially since even the pros like a small street camera.  The
problem for Sony is that not every one will buy into the lenses,
whereas Micro 4/3 will have a number of makers and many adaptors.
Remember that most of the money is actually made on the PS cameras.
The only real problem I see might be high noise but I bet the
processing will take care of that.

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Jaume Lahuerta jlah...@yahoo.com wrote:
iso

  On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 2:36 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com
wrote:  I  pulled the trigger and bought a new camera today. Sorry, it 
isn't a
Pentax.

 
  I usually don't buy anything new right out of the gate.  Particularly
  pro-class cameras ... I usually wait until they get well  into the
  market, until the issues and workarounds are known, until the  prices
  drop a little bit. I usually wait until my image processing tools  can
  handle their raw files.
 
  The Olympus E-5 manual is in  front of me. The battery is charged, the
  50 Macro is on the body, a card  is in the slot.
 
  I'd put in an order for one yesterday on Amazon  but their vendors had
  already sold out the first shipment. No biggie,  I'm patient. Today,
  the local store called and said, We have one for  you. I went up to
  see it, dickered a little on the price (sales tax  here would be almost
  $160), we came to an agreement discounting the  price, and I took it
  home.
 
  First very raw impression: I  did the Right Thing. Since I'm fully
  setup with all the FourThirds  pro-grade lenses, flash and accessories
  I need, it only made sense to  keep going and get a current pro-grade
  body. I'd planned to buy an E-3  when the E-5 came out, take advantage
  of the usual dip in prices. But  when I read the spec, the E-5 had all
  the right improvements for my  needs. It feels great in my hands, I
  like the control layout and menus,  the viewfinder is superb. It's very
  responsive, and pretty darn quiet in  operation. The rest ... well, I'm
  only a few pages into the manual as  yet. There's a lot in here.
 

 Congratulations Godfrey.

 However, I have some doubts about the 4/3 - m4/3 systems:

 For me 4/3 was about compactness: 'hey, forget those dinosaurs tied to the 
 film
 era...'.
 But I have just checked and the K-5 is smaller and lighter than the E-5...

 Maybe for this reason everybody assumes that the E-5 will be the last 4/3 
 camera
 and the future of this format is in the flourishing m4/3 system (and probably
 the next 'pro' body will be in some sort of m4/3).

 But also, looking at the last products from Samsung and Sony, I am not also 
 sure
 about the size advantage of m4/3 again.
 And, since IQ will be always inferior at 4/3 land (as FF fanboys like to say
 when bashing APS-C)...waht is the sustainable advantage of m4/3 over Sony Nex
 cameras, for instance?

 Regards,
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Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-21 Thread Steven Desjardins
Make that sub $1000 cameras.  A man can dream.

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote:
 Pixel peepers and sensor snobs will never use four thirds.  However,
 the images are fine and thats what matters.  The very high level pro
 cameras won't go this way but sub $100 small EVIL cams will do just
 fine.  Especially since even the pros like a small street camera.  The
 problem for Sony is that not every one will buy into the lenses,
 whereas Micro 4/3 will have a number of makers and many adaptors.
 Remember that most of the money is actually made on the PS cameras.
 The only real problem I see might be high noise but I bet the
 processing will take care of that.

 On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Jaume Lahuerta jlah...@yahoo.com wrote:
 iso

  On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 2:36 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com
wrote:  I  pulled the trigger and bought a new camera today. Sorry, it 
isn't a
Pentax.

 
  I usually don't buy anything new right out of the gate.  Particularly
  pro-class cameras ... I usually wait until they get well  into the
  market, until the issues and workarounds are known, until the  prices
  drop a little bit. I usually wait until my image processing tools  can
  handle their raw files.
 
  The Olympus E-5 manual is in  front of me. The battery is charged, the
  50 Macro is on the body, a card  is in the slot.
 
  I'd put in an order for one yesterday on Amazon  but their vendors had
  already sold out the first shipment. No biggie,  I'm patient. Today,
  the local store called and said, We have one for  you. I went up to
  see it, dickered a little on the price (sales tax  here would be almost
  $160), we came to an agreement discounting the  price, and I took it
  home.
 
  First very raw impression: I  did the Right Thing. Since I'm fully
  setup with all the FourThirds  pro-grade lenses, flash and accessories
  I need, it only made sense to  keep going and get a current pro-grade
  body. I'd planned to buy an E-3  when the E-5 came out, take advantage
  of the usual dip in prices. But  when I read the spec, the E-5 had all
  the right improvements for my  needs. It feels great in my hands, I
  like the control layout and menus,  the viewfinder is superb. It's very
  responsive, and pretty darn quiet in  operation. The rest ... well, I'm
  only a few pages into the manual as  yet. There's a lot in here.
 

 Congratulations Godfrey.

 However, I have some doubts about the 4/3 - m4/3 systems:

 For me 4/3 was about compactness: 'hey, forget those dinosaurs tied to the 
 film
 era...'.
 But I have just checked and the K-5 is smaller and lighter than the E-5...

 Maybe for this reason everybody assumes that the E-5 will be the last 4/3 
 camera
 and the future of this format is in the flourishing m4/3 system (and probably
 the next 'pro' body will be in some sort of m4/3).

 But also, looking at the last products from Samsung and Sony, I am not also 
 sure
 about the size advantage of m4/3 again.
 And, since IQ will be always inferior at 4/3 land (as FF fanboys like to say
 when bashing APS-C)...waht is the sustainable advantage of m4/3 over Sony Nex
 cameras, for instance?

 Regards,
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Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-21 Thread Jeffery Smith
I'll go out on a limb and speculate that Godfrey's hands fit an E-5 better than 
a K-5. Godfrey is a BIG GUY!  One of the big selling points of the Pentax K 
system is size...small, high quality prime lenses, and small bodies. Olympus is 
just too chunky for me to carry it around for hours. 

Jeffery


On Oct 21, 2010, at 5:09 PM, Jaume Lahuerta wrote:

 
 
 On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 2:36 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com 
 wrote:  I  pulled the trigger and bought a new camera today. Sorry, it 
 isn't a  
 Pentax.
 
 
 I usually don't buy anything new right out of the gate.  Particularly
 pro-class cameras ... I usually wait until they get well  into the
 market, until the issues and workarounds are known, until the  prices
 drop a little bit. I usually wait until my image processing tools  can
 handle their raw files.
 
 The Olympus E-5 manual is in  front of me. The battery is charged, the
 50 Macro is on the body, a card  is in the slot.
 
 I'd put in an order for one yesterday on Amazon  but their vendors had
 already sold out the first shipment. No biggie,  I'm patient. Today,
 the local store called and said, We have one for  you. I went up to
 see it, dickered a little on the price (sales tax  here would be almost
 $160), we came to an agreement discounting the  price, and I took it
 home.
 
 First very raw impression: I  did the Right Thing. Since I'm fully
 setup with all the FourThirds  pro-grade lenses, flash and accessories
 I need, it only made sense to  keep going and get a current pro-grade
 body. I'd planned to buy an E-3  when the E-5 came out, take advantage
 of the usual dip in prices. But  when I read the spec, the E-5 had all
 the right improvements for my  needs. It feels great in my hands, I
 like the control layout and menus,  the viewfinder is superb. It's very
 responsive, and pretty darn quiet in  operation. The rest ... well, I'm
 only a few pages into the manual as  yet. There's a lot in here.
 
 
 Congratulations Godfrey.
 
 However, I have some doubts about the 4/3 - m4/3 systems:
 
 For me 4/3 was about compactness: 'hey, forget those dinosaurs tied to the 
 film 
 era...'.
 But I have just checked and the K-5 is smaller and lighter than the E-5...
 
 Maybe for this reason everybody assumes that the E-5 will be the last 4/3 
 camera 
 and the future of this format is in the flourishing m4/3 system (and probably 
 the next 'pro' body will be in some sort of m4/3).
 
 But also, looking at the last products from Samsung and Sony, I am not also 
 sure 
 about the size advantage of m4/3 again.
 And, since IQ will be always inferior at 4/3 land (as FF fanboys like to say 
 when bashing APS-C)...waht is the sustainable advantage of m4/3 over Sony Nex 
 cameras, for instance?
 
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Re: Pentax M 40mm f/2.8 pancake

2010-10-21 Thread Jeffery Smith
I keep mine on a @istD,and the smallness of the two is great. I don't even try 
to manual focus it.

Jeffery

On Oct 21, 2010, at 4:25 PM, Nick David Wright wrote:

 So I've been looking at getting an M 40mm f/2.8 pancake. But I've been
 looking at pictures and that focus ring looks terribly tiny.
 
 How does this lens handle? Is it as hard to focus as it appears it would be?
 
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Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-21 Thread Cotty
On 20/10/10, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:

It feels great in my hands,

I'm sorry, you're not supposed to **enjoy** the gear!! It's a tool!!

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Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-21 Thread Jaume Lahuerta
Interesting discussion...

If Canikon comes out with their own 'Nex'-like...I am afraid that all those 
buyers will be attracted again by their powerful brands (as they are when 
jumping to entry level DSLRs).

But I agree in that a m-APSC standard would be even worst for m4/3...
(I am not sure if the NEX or Samsung mount can accommodate as many lenses as 
m4/3 with adapters, probably not)



- Mensaje original 
 De: Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com
 Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Enviado: vie,22 octubre, 2010 00:18
 Asunto: Re: OT: new camera
 
 Pixel peepers and sensor snobs will never use four thirds.  However,
 the  images are fine and thats what matters.  The very high level pro
 cameras  won't go this way but sub $1000 small EVIL cams will do just
 fine.   Especially since even the pros like a small street camera.  The
 problem  for Sony is that not every one will buy into the lenses,
 whereas Micro 4/3  will have a number of makers and many adaptors.
 Remember that most of the  money is actually made on the PS cameras.
 The only real problem I see  might be high noise but I bet the
 processing will take care of  that.
 
 On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Jaume Lahuerta jlah...@yahoo.com  wrote:
 iso
 
   On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 2:36 AM,  Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com
 wrote:   I  pulled the trigger and bought a new camera today. Sorry, it 
isn't  a
 Pentax.
 
  
   I usually don't  buy anything new right out of the gate.  Particularly
   pro-class  cameras ... I usually wait until they get well  into the
market, until the issues and workarounds are known, until the   prices
   drop a little bit. I usually wait until my image  processing tools  can
   handle their raw files.
   
   The Olympus E-5 manual is in  front of me. The battery is  charged, the
   50 Macro is on the body, a card  is in the  slot.
  
   I'd put in an order for one yesterday on  Amazon  but their vendors had
   already sold out the first  shipment. No biggie,  I'm patient. Today,
   the local store  called and said, We have one for  you. I went up to
   see it,  dickered a little on the price (sales tax  here would be almost
$160), we came to an agreement discounting the  price, and I took it
home.
  
   First very raw impression: I  did  the Right Thing. Since I'm fully
   setup with all the FourThirds   pro-grade lenses, flash and accessories
   I need, it only made  sense to  keep going and get a current pro-grade
   body. I'd  planned to buy an E-3  when the E-5 came out, take advantage
   of  the usual dip in prices. But  when I read the spec, the E-5 had all
the right improvements for my  needs. It feels great in my hands,  I
   like the control layout and menus,  the viewfinder is superb.  It's very
   responsive, and pretty darn quiet in  operation. The  rest ... well, I'm
   only a few pages into the manual as  yet.  There's a lot in here.
  
 
  Congratulations  Godfrey.
 
  However, I have some doubts about the 4/3 - m4/3  systems:
 
  For me 4/3 was about compactness: 'hey, forget those  dinosaurs tied to the 
film
  era...'.
  But I have just checked and  the K-5 is smaller and lighter than the E-5...
 
  Maybe for this  reason everybody assumes that the E-5 will be the last 4/3 
camera
  and  the future of this format is in the flourishing m4/3 system (and  
probably
  the next 'pro' body will be in some sort of  m4/3).
 
  But also, looking at the last products from Samsung and  Sony, I am not 
  also 
sure
  about the size advantage of m4/3 again.
   And, since IQ will be always inferior at 4/3 land (as FF fanboys like to  
say
  when bashing APS-C)...waht is the sustainable advantage of m4/3 over  Sony 
Nex
  cameras, for instance?
 
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Re: Pentax M 40mm f/2.8 pancake

2010-10-21 Thread Steven Desjardins
No big deal focussing the M 40.  I used it for years.  The DA version
is easier to use on a DSLR but it costs quite a bit more.

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pedalsandpr...@gmail.com wrote:
 So I've been looking at getting an M 40mm f/2.8 pancake. But I've been
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Re: Pentax M 40mm f/2.8 pancake

2010-10-21 Thread Steven Desjardins
KEH has a bargain one for $89 and an EX one for 109.  That's a good deal.

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 No big deal focussing the M 40.  I used it for years.  The DA version
 is easier to use on a DSLR but it costs quite a bit more.

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 pedalsandpr...@gmail.com wrote:
 So I've been looking at getting an M 40mm f/2.8 pancake. But I've been
 looking at pictures and that focus ring looks terribly tiny.

 How does this lens handle? Is it as hard to focus as it appears it would be?

 Thanks.

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Re: PESO - Beating a Photography Ban

2010-10-21 Thread Cotty
On 20/10/10, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:

 http://www.boingboing.net/2010/10/17/g20-toronto-cop-who.html
 (Can someone in Canada keep an eye out if Officer Bubbles gets anywhere
 with his lawsuit?)

what a twat.

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PESO: BAckground image

2010-10-21 Thread Mark Roberts
Working on a (nearly finished) project I came up with this
interpretation of one of my shots from a few years ago.
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Re: The 2011 Mediocrity

2010-10-21 Thread Cotty
On 21/10/10, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:

I got to drive a friend's WRX a few years back.  You really have to
trail brake to get them to turn in, but a 4WD power on drift coming out
of the esses at Thunderhill was rather fun.

You wouldn't think you can power slide a Defender 110 with 600 lbs of
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Re: aperture blade cleaning

2010-10-21 Thread eckinator
2010/10/20 Collin Brendemuehl coll...@brendemuehl.net:

 I'm thinking from the rear, and with a little lighter fluid

I can hear those TMI and lack of decorum folks yelling already... *duck*
lighter fluid... oh boy... you sure don't go easy on them...

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Re: PESO: BAckground image

2010-10-21 Thread Cotty
On 21/10/10, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:

Working on a (nearly finished) project I came up with this
interpretation of one of my shots from a few years ago.
http://www.robertstech.com/temp/

That reminds me of the first results I ever got off the Frankencam
before I realised my maths on the flange/sensor distance was screwed. A
lot prettier too !

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Re: Flash bracket question

2010-10-21 Thread David Parsons
It's called the Camera Flip.  Still being sold.

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 There's an old Stroboframe model that allowed you to rotate the camera for
 vertical shooting while the flash remained upright, but I don't think they
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Re: The 2011 Mediocrity

2010-10-21 Thread eckinator
All I can say is I love my Forester for it's abilities on road and
off. Have a look at what Vicky Anderson has to say
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uyPkavo66Y

2010/10/21 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com:

 On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:43 PM, DagT wrote:

 Funny, but even the Subaru is built for the mediocrity, that is two small 
 kids and their parents. Anyone tried to pack three boys and luggage for 
 three weeks into a car like that? I don´t know about other parts of the 
 world but in Norway cars and houses built for three growing kids are getting 
 hard to find...

 I wouldn't say that all Subies are for the mediocrity:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQGx28B1p6M

 I got to drive a friend's WRX a few years back.  You really have to trail 
 brake to get them to turn in, but a 4WD power on drift coming out of the 
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Re: Peso: Just Pretty

2010-10-21 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I asked the same question.

Dan

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Re: PESO: Insomnia

2010-10-21 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Thanks, Frank!

Dan

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 On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 1:46 AM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com 
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 Our favorite coffee shop in Dublin:

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11803353

 Comments, Suggestions, Criticisms and Abuse all are Welcome.


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Re: Pentax M 40mm f/2.8 pancake

2010-10-21 Thread Peter Loveday
I keep mine on a @istD,and the smallness of the two is great. I don't even 
try to manual focus it.


Another advocate of the Knarf School of Photography? :)

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Re: Pentax M 40mm f/2.8 pancake

2010-10-21 Thread Steven Desjardins
two of you have said that.  Do you use the hyperfocal setting?

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Re: Peso: Just Pretty

2010-10-21 Thread Steven Desjardins
It's somewhere in Scotland.  This was a drive by, pre GPS shot.

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 I asked the same question.

 Dan

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Re: Pentax M 40mm f/2.8 pancake

2010-10-21 Thread Nick David Wright
M40s seem to have really come down in price.

The DA version doesn't do me any good since I don't own any DSLRs! ;-)

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 two of you have said that.  Do you use the hyperfocal setting?

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Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-21 Thread Steven Desjardins
I don't believe that what we now call FF (24x36) will eventually take
over.  I certainly think the DX format will continue to flourish.  The
vast majority of the world's sensors are, after all, much smaller than
any of these.

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Jaume Lahuerta jlah...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Interesting discussion...

 If Canikon comes out with their own 'Nex'-like...I am afraid that all those
 buyers will be attracted again by their powerful brands (as they are when
 jumping to entry level DSLRs).

 But I agree in that a m-APSC standard would be even worst for m4/3...
 (I am not sure if the NEX or Samsung mount can accommodate as many lenses as
 m4/3 with adapters, probably not)



 - Mensaje original 
 De: Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com
 Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Enviado: vie,22 octubre, 2010 00:18
 Asunto: Re: OT: new camera

 Pixel peepers and sensor snobs will never use four thirds.  However,
 the  images are fine and thats what matters.  The very high level pro
 cameras  won't go this way but sub $1000 small EVIL cams will do just
 fine.   Especially since even the pros like a small street camera.  The
 problem  for Sony is that not every one will buy into the lenses,
 whereas Micro 4/3  will have a number of makers and many adaptors.
 Remember that most of the  money is actually made on the PS cameras.
 The only real problem I see  might be high noise but I bet the
 processing will take care of  that.

 On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Jaume Lahuerta jlah...@yahoo.com  wrote:
 iso
 
   On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 2:36 AM,  Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com
 wrote:   I  pulled the trigger and bought a new camera today. Sorry, it
isn't  a
 Pentax.
 
  
   I usually don't  buy anything new right out of the gate.  Particularly
   pro-class  cameras ... I usually wait until they get well  into the
    market, until the issues and workarounds are known, until the   prices
   drop a little bit. I usually wait until my image  processing tools  can
   handle their raw files.
   
   The Olympus E-5 manual is in  front of me. The battery is  charged, the
   50 Macro is on the body, a card  is in the  slot.
  
   I'd put in an order for one yesterday on  Amazon  but their vendors had
   already sold out the first  shipment. No biggie,  I'm patient. Today,
   the local store  called and said, We have one for  you. I went up to
   see it,  dickered a little on the price (sales tax  here would be almost
    $160), we came to an agreement discounting the  price, and I took it
    home.
  
   First very raw impression: I  did  the Right Thing. Since I'm fully
   setup with all the FourThirds   pro-grade lenses, flash and accessories
   I need, it only made  sense to  keep going and get a current pro-grade
   body. I'd  planned to buy an E-3  when the E-5 came out, take advantage
   of  the usual dip in prices. But  when I read the spec, the E-5 had all
    the right improvements for my  needs. It feels great in my hands,  I
   like the control layout and menus,  the viewfinder is superb.  It's very
   responsive, and pretty darn quiet in  operation. The  rest ... well, I'm
   only a few pages into the manual as  yet.  There's a lot in here.
  
 
  Congratulations  Godfrey.
 
  However, I have some doubts about the 4/3 - m4/3  systems:
 
  For me 4/3 was about compactness: 'hey, forget those  dinosaurs tied to the
film
  era...'.
  But I have just checked and  the K-5 is smaller and lighter than the E-5...
 
  Maybe for this  reason everybody assumes that the E-5 will be the last 4/3
camera
  and  the future of this format is in the flourishing m4/3 system (and
probably
  the next 'pro' body will be in some sort of  m4/3).
 
  But also, looking at the last products from Samsung and  Sony, I am not 
  also
sure
  about the size advantage of m4/3 again.
   And, since IQ will be always inferior at 4/3 land (as FF fanboys like to
say
  when bashing APS-C)...waht is the sustainable advantage of m4/3 over  Sony
Nex
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Re: Pentax M 40mm f/2.8 pancake

2010-10-21 Thread paul stenquist
Why bother to focus? :-)

I only used the lens extensively once. I took it with me, along with an MX, 
when I was working in  Mexico about 9 years ago. It was a nice kit. I was able 
to stuff it in a pocket, which was the idea. I wanted to wander the city 
freely, without a camera hanging around my neck. Great lens when you need to go 
small.

Paul

On Oct 21, 2010, at 7:54 PM, Peter Loveday wrote:

 I keep mine on a @istD,and the smallness of the two is great. I don't even 
 try to manual focus it.
 
 Another advocate of the Knarf School of Photography? :)
 
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Re: Pentax M 40mm f/2.8 pancake

2010-10-21 Thread Steven Desjardins
I admit I'm confused.  This lens is not that wide so that focus is
irrelevant.  The short answer is that your images will be out of focus
otherwise.  It's not an AF lens after all.  I had one for 20 years and
I certainly focussed mine.

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 8:04 PM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
 Why bother to focus? :-)

 I only used the lens extensively once. I took it with me, along with an MX, 
 when I was working in  Mexico about 9 years ago. It was a nice kit. I was 
 able to stuff it in a pocket, which was the idea. I wanted to wander the city 
 freely, without a camera hanging around my neck. Great lens when you need to 
 go small.

 Paul

 On Oct 21, 2010, at 7:54 PM, Peter Loveday wrote:

 I keep mine on a @istD,and the smallness of the two is great. I don't even 
 try to manual focus it.

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Re: Pentax M 40mm f/2.8 pancake

2010-10-21 Thread Jeffery Smith
The autofocus is quick and accurate. I use it outdoors (usually around 4-5.6), 
so the DOF and autofocus make manual focusing and hyperfocal moot, at least to 
me. To me, its tiny size is its biggest selling point. The only thing I don't 
really like is the screw-in lens cap, but I don't mind the inconvenience.

Jeffery


On Oct 21, 2010, at 7:04 PM, paul stenquist wrote:

 Why bother to focus? :-)
 
 I only used the lens extensively once. I took it with me, along with an MX, 
 when I was working in  Mexico about 9 years ago. It was a nice kit. I was 
 able to stuff it in a pocket, which was the idea. I wanted to wander the city 
 freely, without a camera hanging around my neck. Great lens when you need to 
 go small.
 
 Paul
 
 On Oct 21, 2010, at 7:54 PM, Peter Loveday wrote:
 
 I keep mine on a @istD,and the smallness of the two is great. I don't even 
 try to manual focus it.
 
 Another advocate of the Knarf School of Photography? :)
 
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Re: Pentax M 40mm f/2.8 pancake

2010-10-21 Thread Nick David Wright
Jeff, were talking about an M-class manual focus lens. Not the current
DA version.

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Jeffery Smith jsmith...@gmail.com wrote:
 The autofocus is quick and accurate. I use it outdoors (usually around 
 4-5.6), so the DOF and autofocus make manual focusing and hyperfocal moot, at 
 least to me. To me, its tiny size is its biggest selling point. The only 
 thing I don't really like is the screw-in lens cap, but I don't mind the 
 inconvenience.

 Jeffery


 On Oct 21, 2010, at 7:04 PM, paul stenquist wrote:

 Why bother to focus? :-)

 I only used the lens extensively once. I took it with me, along with an MX, 
 when I was working in  Mexico about 9 years ago. It was a nice kit. I was 
 able to stuff it in a pocket, which was the idea. I wanted to wander the 
 city freely, without a camera hanging around my neck. Great lens when you 
 need to go small.

 Paul

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 I keep mine on a @istD,and the smallness of the two is great. I don't even 
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Re: Pentax M 40mm f/2.8 pancake

2010-10-21 Thread Jeffery Smith
Oops, I thought we were talking about the autofocus model. I didn't realize 
they had one from the more distant past.

Jeffery


On Oct 21, 2010, at 7:07 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

 I admit I'm confused.  This lens is not that wide so that focus is
 irrelevant.  The short answer is that your images will be out of focus
 otherwise.  It's not an AF lens after all.  I had one for 20 years and
 I certainly focussed mine.
 
 On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 8:04 PM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net 
 wrote:
 Why bother to focus? :-)
 
 I only used the lens extensively once. I took it with me, along with an MX, 
 when I was working in  Mexico about 9 years ago. It was a nice kit. I was 
 able to stuff it in a pocket, which was the idea. I wanted to wander the 
 city freely, without a camera hanging around my neck. Great lens when you 
 need to go small.
 
 Paul
 
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 I keep mine on a @istD,and the smallness of the two is great. I don't even 
 try to manual focus it.
 
 Another advocate of the Knarf School of Photography? :)
 
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Re: Pentax M 40mm f/2.8 pancake

2010-10-21 Thread paul stenquist

On Oct 21, 2010, at 8:12 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote:

 The autofocus is quick and accurate. I use it outdoors (usually around 
 4-5.6), so the DOF and autofocus make manual focusing and hyperfocal moot, at 
 least to me. To me, its tiny size is its biggest selling point. The only 
 thing I don't really like is the screw-in lens cap, but I don't mind the 
 inconvenience.

The M 40/2.8 isn't an autofocus lens. You are apparently talking about the DA 
40/2.8. Hence, the confusion.
Paul

 
 Jeffery
 
 
 On Oct 21, 2010, at 7:04 PM, paul stenquist wrote:
 
 Why bother to focus? :-)
 
 I only used the lens extensively once. I took it with me, along with an MX, 
 when I was working in  Mexico about 9 years ago. It was a nice kit. I was 
 able to stuff it in a pocket, which was the idea. I wanted to wander the 
 city freely, without a camera hanging around my neck. Great lens when you 
 need to go small.
 
 Paul
 
 On Oct 21, 2010, at 7:54 PM, Peter Loveday wrote:
 
 I keep mine on a @istD,and the smallness of the two is great. I don't even 
 try to manual focus it.
 
 Another advocate of the Knarf School of Photography? :)
 
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Re: Pentax M 40mm f/2.8 pancake

2010-10-21 Thread Jeffery Smith
Got it. My bad.

Jeffery

On Oct 21, 2010, at 7:14 PM, Nick David Wright wrote:

 Jeff, were talking about an M-class manual focus lens. Not the current
 DA version.
 
 On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Jeffery Smith jsmith...@gmail.com wrote:
 The autofocus is quick and accurate. I use it outdoors (usually around 
 4-5.6), so the DOF and autofocus make manual focusing and hyperfocal moot, 
 at least to me. To me, its tiny size is its biggest selling point. The only 
 thing I don't really like is the screw-in lens cap, but I don't mind the 
 inconvenience.
 
 Jeffery
 
 
 On Oct 21, 2010, at 7:04 PM, paul stenquist wrote:
 
 Why bother to focus? :-)
 
 I only used the lens extensively once. I took it with me, along with an MX, 
 when I was working in  Mexico about 9 years ago. It was a nice kit. I was 
 able to stuff it in a pocket, which was the idea. I wanted to wander the 
 city freely, without a camera hanging around my neck. Great lens when you 
 need to go small.
 
 Paul
 
 On Oct 21, 2010, at 7:54 PM, Peter Loveday wrote:
 
 I keep mine on a @istD,and the smallness of the two is great. I don't 
 even try to manual focus it.
 
 Another advocate of the Knarf School of Photography? :)
 
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Re: Pentax M 40mm f/2.8 pancake

2010-10-21 Thread Steven Desjardins
I wondered about that.  I had the DA version as well.  I always felt
it was a bit shaper.

There is no problem focussing the M version.  The ring is really thin
but has a knurled edge.  The focus itself is very smooth.



On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 8:15 PM, Jeffery Smith jsmith...@gmail.com wrote:
 Got it. My bad.

 Jeffery

 On Oct 21, 2010, at 7:14 PM, Nick David Wright wrote:

 Jeff, were talking about an M-class manual focus lens. Not the current
 DA version.

 On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Jeffery Smith jsmith...@gmail.com wrote:
 The autofocus is quick and accurate. I use it outdoors (usually around 
 4-5.6), so the DOF and autofocus make manual focusing and hyperfocal moot, 
 at least to me. To me, its tiny size is its biggest selling point. The only 
 thing I don't really like is the screw-in lens cap, but I don't mind the 
 inconvenience.

 Jeffery


 On Oct 21, 2010, at 7:04 PM, paul stenquist wrote:

 Why bother to focus? :-)

 I only used the lens extensively once. I took it with me, along with an 
 MX, when I was working in  Mexico about 9 years ago. It was a nice kit. I 
 was able to stuff it in a pocket, which was the idea. I wanted to wander 
 the city freely, without a camera hanging around my neck. Great lens when 
 you need to go small.

 Paul

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 I keep mine on a @istD,and the smallness of the two is great. I don't 
 even try to manual focus it.

 Another advocate of the Knarf School of Photography? :)

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Re: Pentax M 40mm f/2.8 pancake

2010-10-21 Thread Charles Robinson
On Oct 21, 2010, at 17:35, Jeffery Smith wrote:

 I keep mine on a @istD,and the smallness of the two is great. I don't even 
 try to manual focus it.
 

Since we're talking about the M lens, I'm not sure you would have a choice on 
that front, Jeffrey.

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Re: PESO: BAckground image

2010-10-21 Thread frank theriault
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 Working on a (nearly finished) project I came up with this
 interpretation of one of my shots from a few years ago.
 http://www.robertstech.com/temp/

Now ~that's~ soft.  But damn, it works beautifully!

Beautiful shot, Mark.

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New web site

2010-10-21 Thread Nick David Wright
Hi all, my new web site is fully online and ready to go.

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Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-21 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Debating the viability of FourThirds format on the PDML list seems
like such an utter waste of time and energy I can't get into it.
Suffice it to say:

- The equipment exists.
- I have the right selection of lenses for it.
- It produces the quality of images that I want/need.
- I have it.

Whether the E-5 is the ultimate or last or whatever is irrelevant. I'm
not interested in corporate futures, I'm interested in making
photographs. This was the best thing for me, now. I also considered a
Nikon D700 ... I like Nikon lenses and Nikon bodies since the D300
have been quite impressive ... but that would have cost me $700 more
plus the lenses I would need for it. This was not inexpensive, but
it's a pro-grade tool that I'll be using, and earning money with, for
several years.

What I'm seeing as camera performance is looking good. I don't really
want to get into formal testing ... waste of time ... but comparing
the test JPEGs against my library of images I'm seeing about a 3 stop
gain in sensitivity and a nice increment more acutance with the same
lenses compared to my other 12 Mpixel body.

When I say, The body feels great in my hands, I mean it's a camera
that with very few minor configuration changes has already begun to
disappear. The controls are in the right places, they fall under my
fingers correctly, and it has enough configuration options that they
now work exactly the way I expect. I want my camera to disappear so I
can concentrate on making photographs, that's what feels great. It is
a tool, and there is great subtlety in the tool.

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Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-21 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote:

 When I say, The body feels great in my hands, I mean it's a camera

Mark!, with a hat-tip to Gmail's keen judgment in word-wrapping.

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Re: OT: new camera ... ISO 3200 sample

2010-10-21 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
A test snap of a friend ...

Olympus E-5, Summilux-D 25mm f/1.4 ASPH
ISO 3200 @ f/4 @ 1/40 second.

(downsized and sharpened for web, 925 pixels tall, 100K)
http://homepage.mac.com/godders/PA210099s.jpg

(original out of the camera JPEG, full size, 6.2 Mbytes, no
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http://homepage.mac.com/godders/PA210099.JPG

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Re: OT: new camera

2010-10-21 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
A test snap of a friend ... testing ISO 3200

Olympus E-5, Summilux-D 25mm f/1.4 ASPH
ISO 3200 @ f/4 @ 1/40 second.

(web size, 925 pixels tall, 100K)
http://homepage.mac.com/godders/PA210099s.jpg

(original out of the camera JPEG, full size, 6.2 Mbytes)
http://homepage.mac.com/godders/PA210099.JPG

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Re: Pentax M 40mm f/2.8 pancake

2010-10-21 Thread P. J. Alling
The focus ring is terribly narrow.  However it now more or less lives on 
my *ist-Ds, it focuses smoothly and central portion of the image circle, 
the only part used by APS-C cameras, is acceptably sharp.


On 10/21/2010 5:25 PM, Nick David Wright wrote:

So I've been looking at getting an M 40mm f/2.8 pancake. But I've been
looking at pictures and that focus ring looks terribly tiny.

How does this lens handle? Is it as hard to focus as it appears it would be?

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Re: OT: new camera ... ISO 3200 sample

2010-10-21 Thread P. J. Alling

It appears that you focused on the far eye.  Otherwise quite impressive.

On 10/22/2010 12:50 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

A test snap of a friend ...

Olympus E-5, Summilux-D 25mm f/1.4 ASPH
ISO 3200 @ f/4 @ 1/40 second.

(downsized and sharpened for web, 925 pixels tall, 100K)
http://homepage.mac.com/godders/PA210099s.jpg

(original out of the camera JPEG, full size, 6.2 Mbytes, no
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Re: OT: new camera ... ISO 3200 sample

2010-10-21 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Yes, that was before I adjusted the AF to better match what I wanted.
There are quite a few configuration controls on this camera, I'm still
learning it. For this portrait snap, I just picked up the camera and
pressed the button, basically, without much thought to nailing the
focus on the money.

Now I've tuned the focusing system to work more tightly, closer to
what I want: changed both pattern and spread of the AF focusing
points.


On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:09 PM, P. J. Alling
webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
 It appears that you focused on the far eye.  Otherwise quite impressive.

 On 10/22/2010 12:50 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

 A test snap of a friend ...

 Olympus E-5, Summilux-D 25mm f/1.4 ASPH
 ISO 3200 @ f/4 @ 1/40 second.

 (downsized and sharpened for web, 925 pixels tall, 100K)
 http://homepage.mac.com/godders/PA210099s.jpg

 (original out of the camera JPEG, full size, 6.2 Mbytes, no
 modifications at all)
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