date:20120315


On 3/15/2012 6:02 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

Perhaps "insult" was not the right word to convey what I meant.

Kennyboy *is* a clueless git, but he's not a bad person. Kinkade is an 
oxygen thief with no redeeming qualities whatsoever, and a complete 
waste of space on planet Earth.


That's certainly a point we can agree on.





From: "P. J. Alling"


Let's be a bit more precise here, it's not impossible to insult
Kennyboy, it's impossible for Kennyboy to be insulted.  A very subtle
difference.

On 3/15/2012 11:59 AM, John Sessoms wrote:

I would have never thought it possible to insult Kennyboy.

From: Jack Davis


The Kennyboy of painters.
?
Jack


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Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 2:27 PM
Subject: RE: OT - Online critics

I have only one thing to say:

http://www.thomaskinkade.com/magi/servlet/com.asucon.ebiz.home.web.tk.HomeServlet 




Cheers,
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Re: OT - Online critics


On 3/15/2012 7:48 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:

I still like Velvia. You live in a drab little world Jack. ;-)


Most all the pro outdoor photogs used velvia before the digital age.


Which explains the colors Canon cameras output as a default.  Personally 
I prefer Kodachrome for my over-saturated photos, too bad it's gone.




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- Original Message - From: "Tom C" 
Subject: Re: OT - Online critics



From: Jack Davis 
Well, Tom I recall your Velvia? past. Doubtless your color cones are 
calloused. ;-)

?
Jack



I still like Velvia. You live in a drab little world Jack. ;-)

Tom C.






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Re: OT - Online critics

I must admit, I really like this one. It's the best by far that I've seen of 
his work (admittedly I've not seen much).

But OMG his description of how he took it! Gimme a break!

BTW, interesting to note that Gursky's Rhine II which is the current record 
holder for most expensive photograph was sold on the secondary market. Gursky 
didn't make that money, the print's owner did. In Lik's case he was the seller 
so the million went into his pocket.

Cheers,
frank 

"What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." -- 
Christopher Hitchens

--- Original Message ---

From: Tom C 
Sent: March 15, 2012 3/15/12
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: OT - Online critics

>
> A whlie back I becames aware that he had sold a photograph of his for $ 1
> million. This link http://www.artdaily.com/index.asp?int_sec=2&int_new=44121
> mentions it but I couldn't find an internet link to the image itself. It was
> a very well executed image, but $1 million ?
>
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Tom C" 
> Subject: Re: OT - Online critics
>
>
>>> I had never heard of him until a recent series about his photographic
>>> trips
>>> on the Weather channel.
>>>
>>> He comes across as bigger than life, a little too aninmated but I think
>>> his
>>> photos speak for them self.
>>>
>>> Kenneth Waller
>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
>>
>> I hadn't heard of him until now. A look at his online gallery left me
>> with mixed feelings, but more positive than negative. I saw some that
>> didn't excite me but overall I thought it was pretty decent, and there
>> were some I thought were excellent. While it looked like saturation
>> was boosted I didn't find it excessively so in most cases.
>>
>> Tom C.


There's an image of it here:
http://www.petapixel.com/2011/01/13/australian-landscape-photographer-peter-lik-sells-photo-for-1-million/

It's a nice image but the selling price says more about the buyer than
it does about the photograph.

Tom C.

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Re: OT - Online critics

AH HA! I thought so!
 
Jack


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> Quoting Jack Davis :
>
>> What's a "cobber?"

Someone who separates the kernels from the cob.

DS

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Re: OT - Online critics

Appreciate it, Brian. Thanks!

Jack


- Original Message -
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Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: OT - Online critics

Quoting Jack Davis :

> Have never before seen the mystery letter groups I've parenthesized at the 
> end of that sentence.
> I just checked my sent file and do not find them. ??



They mean 'non-breaking space', a special (and very useful) HTML character used 
in web pages.  But I didn't put them there - I blame my email client.


> 
> What's a "cobber?"


I think others have answered this :-)>




Cheers

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> 
> Jack ;-)
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Brian Walters 
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> Cc:
> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 2:23 PM
> Subject: Re: OT - Online critics
> 
> Quoting Jack Davis :
> 
>> One final minor Peter Lik comment; I doubt he completed a sentence during 
>> his Weather Channel photo series that didn't include( )the 
>> fillers,( )"bloody" &/or "mate."
> 
> 
> 
> Starve the bloody lizards! You got a problem with that, cobber...er, mate??
> 
> (I've never seen his show - not sure if it's even been shown downunder.)
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Brian
> 
> ++
> Brian Walters
> Western Sydney Australia
> http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/
> 
> 
> 


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Re: OT - Online critics

ahh..OK?
 
Jack


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Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: OT - Online critics

> I still like Velvia. You live in a drab little world Jack. ;-)

Most all the pro outdoor photogs used velvia before the digital age.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - From: "Tom C" 
Subject: Re: OT - Online critics


>> From: Jack Davis 
>> Well, Tom I recall your Velvia? past. Doubtless your color cones are 
>> calloused. ;-)
>> ?
>> Jack
>> 
> 
> I still like Velvia. You live in a drab little world Jack. ;-)
> 
> Tom C.


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Re: OT - Online critics

All in the marketing, backed by deep pockets.

Jack


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Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 4:47 PM
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> With his salesmanship skills, even I could make a comfortable living at 
> photography.

Isn't that what's required nowadays to make a living in outdoor photography - 
unless your lead workshops & tours.

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - From: "Larry Colen" 
Subject: Re: OT - Online critics


> 
> On Mar 15, 2012, at 12:17 PM,   
> wrote:
> 
>> I had never heard of him until a recent series about his photographic trips 
>> on the Weather channel.
>> 
>> He comes across as bigger than life, a little too aninmated but I think his 
>> photos speak for them self.
> 
> I saw a couple episodes of his show.  The guy makes me seem humble.  He talks 
> about the difficulty of hauling his SLR out to where ever, and there's the 
> cameraman videotaping him rappelling down the cliff.  But, they don't mention 
> that.  All the video is just as impressive as the stills they flash.  To be 
> honest, the guy isn't a bad photographer, he just is nowhere near as good of 
> a photographer as he is a publicist.
> 
> With his salesmanship skills, even I could make a comfortable living at 
> photography.
> 
> 
> --
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Re: Would a B&W ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

2012-03-15 Thread steve harley


on 2012-03-15 17:42 Bob W wrote

Nothing that Leica does would surprise me, but I might be a bit surprised if
they do that.


howz about an eco-camera that shoots only green?


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Re: OT - Online critics

2012-03-15 Thread David Savage

The majority of any new business is marketing & chasing new work.
Until you reach a certain critical mass.

On 16/03/2012, John Sessoms  wrote:
> From: 
>>> With his salesmanship skills, even I could make a comfortable living at
>>> photography.
>>
>> Isn't that what's required nowadays to make a living in outdoor
>> photography - unless your lead workshops & tours.
>>
>> Kenneth Waller
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
>
> Not limited to outdoor photography. Making a living doing any kind of
> photography is 99% marketing any more.
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Re: OT - Online critics


From: 
With his salesmanship skills, even I could make a comfortable living at
photography.


Isn't that what's required nowadays to make a living in outdoor
photography - unless your lead workshops & tours.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller


Not limited to outdoor photography. Making a living doing any kind of 
photography is 99% marketing any more.


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Re: OT - Online critics

2012-03-15 Thread Ann Sanfedele




On 3/15/2012 20:35, Mark Roberts wrote:

Bob W wrote:


Money was never a very reliable indicator of good taste.



From the 2005 PDML Quotations List:


"For those who still think that the marketplace should determine what
is good art, I have just two words: Andy Warhol."
— Bob Blakely


I never trust people who tell me how difficult it was to get the shot.
They're either trying to make up for its deficiencies, or they're trying to
push the price up. But to me the value, however you measure it, of a picture
has nothing to do with how difficult or easy it was to take.


Quite right.


ditto that

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Re: OT - Online critics

2012-03-15 Thread David Savage

> Quoting Jack Davis :
>
>> What's a "cobber?"

Someone who separates the kernels from the cob.

DS

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Re: OT - Online critics

2012-03-15 Thread Brian Walters


Quoting Jack Davis :

Have never before seen the mystery letter groups I've parenthesized  
at the end of that sentence.

I just checked my sent file and do not find them. ??




They mean 'non-breaking space', a special (and very useful) HTML  
character used in web pages.  But I didn't put them there - I blame my  
email client.





What's a "cobber?"



I think others have answered this :-)>




Cheers

Brian

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Jack ;-)


- Original Message -
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Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: OT - Online critics

Quoting Jack Davis :

One final minor Peter Lik comment; I doubt he completed a sentence  
during his Weather Channel photo series that didn't  
include( )the fillers,( )"bloody" &/or "mate."




Starve the bloody lizards! You got a problem with that, cobber...er, mate??

(I've never seen his show - not sure if it's even been shown downunder.)



Cheers

Brian

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Re: Would a B&W ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

2012-03-15 Thread Steven Desjardins

That was well said, Godfrey.  We tend to forget that B&W is an
abstraction (and not just a simplification) of what we perceive as the
color world.


On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 9:32 PM, JC O'Connell  wrote:
> yeah, but what if you get other bonus stuff in exchange for a BW
> only sensor like higher resolution, and better sensitivity, or much lower
> cost?
> If all you got extra with a BW sensor is lack of color of course nobody
> would want it.
>
> -
> J.C.O'Connell
> hifis...@gate.net
> -
>
> -Original Message-
> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> Godfrey DiGiorgi
> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 6:15 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: Would a B&W ONLY digital camera appeal to you?
>
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>> Let's rephrase that question:
>>
>> "Would you like a camera with two stops more sensitivity, and three or
> four times the resolution?
>
> Don't mix up the subject of resolution and sensitivity. A Bayer mosaic
> sensor with a given dimension photosite array has exactly the same
> spatial resolution as a non-mosaic sensor with that same set of
> dimensions. The only way you get more resolution is to add photosites
> and reduce antialiasing requirements. A Bayer mosaic sensor
> interpolates chrominance values per output pixel, not the spatial
> values of points in the scene it captures.
>
>> What if you had to give up color to get it?"
>>
>> Color doesn't come for free.  In order to get color, you have to throw
> away a lot of light at each sensor site.  If all you ever photograph are
> technically easy subjects like models in the studio, barns, or cats in
> plenty of light, then incrementally better performance isn't a big deal.  If
> you find yourself pushing the performance envelope of your camera and having
> to convert to B&W, not for specific effect but because the noise is less
> obnoxious in B&W than in color,  an added stop of performance can be worth
> it.
>
> Here's the deal:
>
> The key to B&W photography is that it is a non-linear capture of a
> color universe abstracted into a set of monochromatic tonal
> relationships. One of the vectors is the translation of chrominance to
> luminance. When we were working with B&W film, we chose films with
> particular spectral characteristics and then added filtration in front
> of the lens to tweak those spectral characteristics to match the
> particular end tonal relationships we wanted. For instance, red and
> green at the same luminance look the same when cast into monochromatic
> values. But to capture their perceptual/emotional difference
> correctly, we need to differentiate them. So we use filters that
> separate them (red filters makes red things brighter, green things
> darker, and vice versa).
>
> When we moved into the digital capture realm, B&W become a rendering
> exercise instead of a capture exercise ... it's dependent upon how we
> evaluate and translate the chrominance values into luminance, not how
> the sensor captures the data that we work from. We pay a small price
> for this in terms of putting filters on the photosites, reducing
> sensitivity by some amount (not two stops, given the same photosite
> array dimensions) to capture the whole range of spectral data, and by
> doing so we gain massive amounts of rendering flexibility.
>
> With a sensor that only captures monochromatic values, we're back to
> considering B&W at capture time ... so we have to pull out the filters
> again in order to adjust chrominance to luminance translation at
> capture time, cutting sensitivity by at least as much as the Bayer
> color mosaic does.
>
> I'd rather have the flexibility. I've worked with monochromatic
> digital capture cameras way back in the digital dark ages (1980s) and
> have NO interest in going back there. I want the ability to manipulate
> chrominance to luminance translation at rendering time, not at capture
> time, with a larger, more robust captured dataset.
>
>> I probably wouldn't drop the dosh on the Leica version though, even if I
> had Godfrey's toy budget.
>
> LOL!
>
> Sorry, the Leica isn't a toy. I don't consider it as such. A K5 or
> K-01 might be a toy to you ... to me the Leica M9 is a serious
> instrument for making photographs, as would either the K5 or K-01 be
> if I went to purchase them. By making that statement, you are implying
> a) that I have a lot of money and b) that I toss money around without
> discretion, Larry.
>
> I don't on either count. I studied and considered what I wanted to
> work with for more than a year before I came to the decision, and not
> lightly, that it was the Leica M9. And then I saved up the money to
> obtain the M9 and bought it.
>
> Now having spent the money for the camera and the lenses I want to use
> with it, and having spent some time to learn to use it, I can say
> without a doubt that if I could only have one camera, I'd sell
> everything else in a heartb

RE: Would a B&W ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

2012-03-15 Thread JC O'Connell

yeah, but what if you get other bonus stuff in exchange for a BW
only sensor like higher resolution, and better sensitivity, or much lower
cost?
If all you got extra with a BW sensor is lack of color of course nobody
would want it.

-
J.C.O'Connell
hifis...@gate.net
-

-Original Message-
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
Godfrey DiGiorgi
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 6:15 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: Would a B&W ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> Let's rephrase that question:
>
> "Would you like a camera with two stops more sensitivity, and three or
four times the resolution?

Don't mix up the subject of resolution and sensitivity. A Bayer mosaic
sensor with a given dimension photosite array has exactly the same
spatial resolution as a non-mosaic sensor with that same set of
dimensions. The only way you get more resolution is to add photosites
and reduce antialiasing requirements. A Bayer mosaic sensor
interpolates chrominance values per output pixel, not the spatial
values of points in the scene it captures.

> What if you had to give up color to get it?"
>
> Color doesn't come for free.  In order to get color, you have to throw
away a lot of light at each sensor site.  If all you ever photograph are
technically easy subjects like models in the studio, barns, or cats in
plenty of light, then incrementally better performance isn't a big deal.  If
you find yourself pushing the performance envelope of your camera and having
to convert to B&W, not for specific effect but because the noise is less
obnoxious in B&W than in color,  an added stop of performance can be worth
it.

Here's the deal:

The key to B&W photography is that it is a non-linear capture of a
color universe abstracted into a set of monochromatic tonal
relationships. One of the vectors is the translation of chrominance to
luminance. When we were working with B&W film, we chose films with
particular spectral characteristics and then added filtration in front
of the lens to tweak those spectral characteristics to match the
particular end tonal relationships we wanted. For instance, red and
green at the same luminance look the same when cast into monochromatic
values. But to capture their perceptual/emotional difference
correctly, we need to differentiate them. So we use filters that
separate them (red filters makes red things brighter, green things
darker, and vice versa).

When we moved into the digital capture realm, B&W become a rendering
exercise instead of a capture exercise ... it's dependent upon how we
evaluate and translate the chrominance values into luminance, not how
the sensor captures the data that we work from. We pay a small price
for this in terms of putting filters on the photosites, reducing
sensitivity by some amount (not two stops, given the same photosite
array dimensions) to capture the whole range of spectral data, and by
doing so we gain massive amounts of rendering flexibility.

With a sensor that only captures monochromatic values, we're back to
considering B&W at capture time ... so we have to pull out the filters
again in order to adjust chrominance to luminance translation at
capture time, cutting sensitivity by at least as much as the Bayer
color mosaic does.

I'd rather have the flexibility. I've worked with monochromatic
digital capture cameras way back in the digital dark ages (1980s) and
have NO interest in going back there. I want the ability to manipulate
chrominance to luminance translation at rendering time, not at capture
time, with a larger, more robust captured dataset.

> I probably wouldn't drop the dosh on the Leica version though, even if I
had Godfrey's toy budget.

LOL!

Sorry, the Leica isn't a toy. I don't consider it as such. A K5 or
K-01 might be a toy to you ... to me the Leica M9 is a serious
instrument for making photographs, as would either the K5 or K-01 be
if I went to purchase them. By making that statement, you are implying
a) that I have a lot of money and b) that I toss money around without
discretion, Larry.

I don't on either count. I studied and considered what I wanted to
work with for more than a year before I came to the decision, and not
lightly, that it was the Leica M9. And then I saved up the money to
obtain the M9 and bought it.

Now having spent the money for the camera and the lenses I want to use
with it, and having spent some time to learn to use it, I can say
without a doubt that if I could only have one camera, I'd sell
everything else in a heartbeat. It suits me perfectly and is a tool
worth every penny I've put into it. It is no toy, not to me anyway. It
is just a camera, in the end, but it's price means it's not something
I choose to spend money for without very careful consideration and
deliberation.

I have NO interest in a B&W only digital camera, at whatever price. I
want to do very high quality B&W, and I don't w

Re: FS Friday: K10-D, K-20D, battery grip, 200mm f/4 for 645

2012-03-15 Thread Steve Sharpe

Just don't let him ship it to you by UPS! They just charged me $61 in 
brokerage fees to collect $53 in HST on some model train stuff I had 
shipped from New Jersey.


At 8:56 PM -0400 3/15/12, Bruce Walker wrote:

This of course was meant to be a private message, but oh well. Let the
bidding begin!! :-)


On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 8:55 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:

 Mark, I'd love to buy that from you.

 I'm in Canada though, as you know. What would that add to
 shipping/cost? Or is that just right out?


 On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 8:44 PM, Mark Roberts
  wrote:

 Mark Roberts wrote:



Pentax D-BG2 (battery grip for K10-D or K20-D), EX+ condition
Includes box, packing and... OEM Pentax battery that Pentax should
include with battery grips but doesn't!
http://www.robertstech.com/temp/645/bg2.jpg


 Um, price is... let's say $50.00


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RE: PESO: Yellow Tang

2012-03-15 Thread Don Guthrie

One of my favorite salt water fish. Nice job of separating him from
the background. Looks very natural.

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Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 16:36:22 -0400
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15292672&size=md

Comments are welcome.

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RE: Would a B&W ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

2012-03-15 Thread JC O'Connell

YES, If it were Pentax FF and ultra high resolution,
like 40 real Mpixel, I'd consider one. Especially if
it was low noise at high ISOs.

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Re: Would a B&W ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

2012-03-15 Thread Mark C


On 3/15/2012 6:15 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

Here's the deal:

The key to B&W photography is that it is a non-linear capture of a
color universe abstracted into a set of monochromatic tonal
relationships. One of the vectors is the translation of chrominance to
luminance. When we were working with B&W film, we chose films with
particular spectral characteristics and then added filtration in front
of the lens to tweak those spectral characteristics to match the
particular end tonal relationships we wanted. For instance, red and
green at the same luminance look the same when cast into monochromatic
values. But to capture their perceptual/emotional difference
correctly, we need to differentiate them. So we use filters that
separate them (red filters makes red things brighter, green things
darker, and vice versa).



Applause! Well said!

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Re: GESO spcecdt

2012-03-15 Thread steve harley


on 2012-03-15 15:53 Larry Colen wrote

Since I mentioned it

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157629586266869/
or
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157629586266869/

Most of these photos haven't been cleaned up much, I just did a quick search 
and post so people who needed photos for the memorial could find some quickly.  
It's an interesting challenge, one that most of our friends and family will 
likely face one day, because for the 22 years that I've known John, he was 
always the one taking photos at all the events.


well, you captured the human much more than you captured the geek; at a time 
like this, i think that's a good thing


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2005

In going through the PDML Quotation List archive a few minutes ago to
find Bob Blakely's "Andy Warhol" quip I was struck by the fact that
2005 was a pretty good year for the List (though, truth to be told, I
didn't read much of the other years - they might be just as good).

http://www.robertstech.com/quot2005.htm

Some of my 2005 favorites:

"Moments of delirious personal satisfaction are the engines of
effort."  Jack Davis

Still true!

"It wants me to log in, and doesn't offer the choice of a 'Get
Stuffed' button."  Bob Walkden 

How little things have changed...

"I have a 50 roll per year Ektachrome habit."  Rick Womer 

Wow. Kodak doesn't even *make* slide film now. How much things have
changed...

"Most images don't deserve to live as long as the medium."  William
Robb 

Bill is still the benchmark in the proposed "cynical/naive" axis of
the Myers-Briggs personality test.

"It looked like an ordinary bottle of water. But it was on a plinth."
 Wayne Hill (Quoted on
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/4718573.stm)

Ah yes, ART!

"As for Cotty, I have no idea what he's talking about."  Frank
Theriault

Plus ca change...

"Doug Brewer is the brother I never wanted."  Cesar Matamoros 

You can't make this stuff up.

"Yes I know I'm evil, but hell, it pays the bills."  P. J. Alling 

Still evil after all these years.

"It is art, and if the rules were so well defined, then I'd be doing
something else."  Juan Buhler 

I still miss Juan's contributions to the PDML.

"You can never have too many lenses."  William Robb 

Oh YEAH. 2005 was the year.
 
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Re: FS Friday: K10-D, K-20D, battery grip, 200mm f/4 for 645

This of course was meant to be a private message, but oh well. Let the
bidding begin!! :-)


On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 8:55 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> Mark, I'd love to buy that from you.
>
> I'm in Canada though, as you know. What would that add to
> shipping/cost? Or is that just right out?
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 8:44 PM, Mark Roberts
>  wrote:
>> Mark Roberts wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Pentax D-BG2 (battery grip for K10-D or K20-D), EX+ condition
>>>Includes box, packing and... OEM Pentax battery that Pentax should
>>>include with battery grips but doesn't!
>>>http://www.robertstech.com/temp/645/bg2.jpg
>>
>> Um, price is... let's say $50.00
>>
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Re: FS Friday: K10-D, K-20D, battery grip, 200mm f/4 for 645

Mark, I'd love to buy that from you.

I'm in Canada though, as you know. What would that add to
shipping/cost? Or is that just right out?


On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 8:44 PM, Mark Roberts
 wrote:
> Mark Roberts wrote:
>
>
>>Pentax D-BG2 (battery grip for K10-D or K20-D), EX+ condition
>>Includes box, packing and... OEM Pentax battery that Pentax should
>>include with battery grips but doesn't!
>>http://www.robertstech.com/temp/645/bg2.jpg
>
> Um, price is... let's say $50.00
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Re: FS Friday: K10-D, K-20D, battery grip, 200mm f/4 for 645

Mark Roberts wrote:


>Pentax D-BG2 (battery grip for K10-D or K20-D), EX+ condition
>Includes box, packing and... OEM Pentax battery that Pentax should
>include with battery grips but doesn't!
>http://www.robertstech.com/temp/645/bg2.jpg

Um, price is... let's say $50.00

 
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Re: OT - Online critics

2012-03-15 Thread Mark C


On 3/15/2012 7:47 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:
With his salesmanship skills, even I could make a comfortable living 
at photography.


Isn't that what's required nowadays to make a living in outdoor 
photography - unless your lead workshops & tours.



That and a ton of luck...

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Re: OT - Online critics

Bob W wrote:

> Money was never a very reliable indicator of good taste.

>From the 2005 PDML Quotations List:

"For those who still think that the marketplace should determine what
is good art, I have just two words: Andy Warhol."
 Bob Blakely 

>I never trust people who tell me how difficult it was to get the shot.
>They're either trying to make up for its deficiencies, or they're trying to
>push the price up. But to me the value, however you measure it, of a picture
>has nothing to do with how difficult or easy it was to take.

Quite right.
 
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Re: FS Friday: K10-D, K-20D, battery grip, 200mm f/4 for 645


This makes my heart hurt.

Would you take a Peter Lik photo for the whole bundle?

-- Walt

On 3/15/2012 7:24 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Stuff for sale. Prices *include* shipping within the U.S.

Pentax K20-D, EX+ condition
Includes box, packing, manuals, 2 CDs, strap, accessories (eyepiece
blind, OEM battery, charger, connector cables) plus 3 (three) extra
batteries (3rd party)
http://www.robertstech.com/temp/645/k20-1.jpg
http://www.robertstech.com/temp/645/k20-2.jpg
$300.00

Pentax K10-D, EX+ condition
Includes box, packing, manuals, CD, strap, accessories (eyepiece
blind, OEM battery, charger, connector cables) plus 2 (two) extra
batteries (3rd party)
http://www.robertstech.com/temp/645/k10-1.jpg
http://www.robertstech.com/temp/645/k10-2.jpg
$225.00

Pentax D-BG2 (battery grip for K10-D or K20-D), EX+ condition
Includes box, packing and... OEM Pentax battery that Pentax should
include with battery grips but doesn't!
http://www.robertstech.com/temp/645/bg2.jpg
$

Pentax 645-A 200mm f/4.0 lens EX+ condition
Superb manual focus lens for all you 645D owners ;-)
http://www.robertstech.com/temp/645/200+box.jpg
$260.00




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FS Friday: K10-D, K-20D, battery grip, 200mm f/4 for 645

Stuff for sale. Prices *include* shipping within the U.S.

Pentax K20-D, EX+ condition
Includes box, packing, manuals, 2 CDs, strap, accessories (eyepiece
blind, OEM battery, charger, connector cables) plus 3 (three) extra
batteries (3rd party) 
http://www.robertstech.com/temp/645/k20-1.jpg
http://www.robertstech.com/temp/645/k20-2.jpg
$300.00

Pentax K10-D, EX+ condition
Includes box, packing, manuals, CD, strap, accessories (eyepiece
blind, OEM battery, charger, connector cables) plus 2 (two) extra
batteries (3rd party) 
http://www.robertstech.com/temp/645/k10-1.jpg
http://www.robertstech.com/temp/645/k10-2.jpg
$225.00

Pentax D-BG2 (battery grip for K10-D or K20-D), EX+ condition
Includes box, packing and... OEM Pentax battery that Pentax should
include with battery grips but doesn't!
http://www.robertstech.com/temp/645/bg2.jpg
$

Pentax 645-A 200mm f/4.0 lens EX+ condition
Superb manual focus lens for all you 645D owners ;-)
http://www.robertstech.com/temp/645/200+box.jpg
$260.00
 
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Re: I never enter photo contests BUT...

2012-03-15 Thread Doug Brewer


On 3/15/12 8:01 PM, Bob W wrote:

I'm not voting because I have to register at what's obviously an

advertiser-driven website. I just don't want more of my personal
information in the hands of commercial interests. I am getting tired
of it.


Makes me appreciate our little list all the more...

Cheers,
frank



You ignorant fop! You have no idea what Doug Brewer does with the
information posted on the PDML, and for that matter, neither do I.
:-)



He sells it to penis enlargement companies trading out of Nigeria.
What I want to know is, how did Brewer find out we all have such tiny

peckers?


B




Easy. I've gauged your compensatory photographic spending habits.



Thank God I kept quiet about all the Ferraris.




and the Peter Lik photos

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RE: I never enter photo contests BUT...

> >>> I'm not voting because I have to register at what's obviously an
> >> advertiser-driven website. I just don't want more of my personal
> >> information in the hands of commercial interests. I am getting tired
> >> of it.
> >>>
> >>> Makes me appreciate our little list all the more...
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> frank
> >>>
> >>
> >> You ignorant fop! You have no idea what Doug Brewer does with the
> >> information posted on the PDML, and for that matter, neither do I.
> >> :-)
> >>
> >
> > He sells it to penis enlargement companies trading out of Nigeria.
> > What I want to know is, how did Brewer find out we all have such tiny
> peckers?
> >
> > B
> >
> >
> 
> Easy. I've gauged your compensatory photographic spending habits.
> 

Thank God I kept quiet about all the Ferraris.


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Re: OT - Online critics

>
> A whlie back I becames aware that he had sold a photograph of his for $ 1
> million. This link http://www.artdaily.com/index.asp?int_sec=2&int_new=44121
> mentions it but I couldn't find an internet link to the image itself. It was
> a very well executed image, but $1 million ?
>
> Kenneth Waller
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> - Original Message -
> From: "Tom C" 
> Subject: Re: OT - Online critics
>
>
>>> I had never heard of him until a recent series about his photographic
>>> trips
>>> on the Weather channel.
>>>
>>> He comes across as bigger than life, a little too aninmated but I think
>>> his
>>> photos speak for them self.
>>>
>>> Kenneth Waller
>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
>>
>> I hadn't heard of him until now. A look at his online gallery left me
>> with mixed feelings, but more positive than negative. I saw some that
>> didn't excite me but overall I thought it was pretty decent, and there
>> were some I thought were excellent. While it looked like saturation
>> was boosted I didn't find it excessively so in most cases.
>>
>> Tom C.


There's an image of it here:
http://www.petapixel.com/2011/01/13/australian-landscape-photographer-peter-lik-sells-photo-for-1-million/

It's a nice image but the selling price says more about the buyer than
it does about the photograph.

Tom C.

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Re: GESO: Front Porch Photography - 3/14/12


On 3/15/2012 6:45 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

On Mar 14, 2012, at 8:57 PM, Walt Gilbert wrote:


Hi all,

At the risk of wearing everyone out with GESOs and PESOs, I thought I'd post some 
shots I grabbed this afternoon and evening. All but one of them are sunsets, and 
one is a b&w landscape.

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157629222978388/

I was wondering if you could try processing IMGP5602-2  as if it had a red or 
orange filter, or just turn down the luminance of the blues so that rather than 
the sky being white, it came out darker.  I think that would help set the trees 
and roof off against the sky, and also do a better job of showing the clouds, 
as they'd be white against dark, rather than white against white.


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Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est


I'll give that a whirl and see what I can do with it -- with the caveat 
that my abilities in that vein are limited . . . at best.


-- Walt

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Re: OT - Online critics

2012-03-15 Thread Doug Brewer


On 3/15/12 7:47 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:

With his salesmanship skills, even I could make a comfortable living
at photography.


Isn't that what's required nowadays to make a living in outdoor
photography - unless your lead workshops & tours.


that's not limited to outdoor photography.

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Re: GESO spcecdt (going a bit OT)

On 3/15/2012 6:26 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

On Mar 15, 2012, at 4:03 PM, Walt Gilbert wrote:

I'm sorry for the loss of your friend, Larry. I remember you talking about him
a bit when I was there visiting. It was obvious you had great respect and
affection for the man.

Thanks Walt, Bruce, Paul, and a preemptive thank you for people yet to comment.

Between the photos and your email to the Linux group, you've put together a
great, warm tribute to his memory.

May he rest in peace and his family and friends always carry him in their
hearts.

It is interesting that this is the second time in the past year that "look at what
this shiny piece of kit can do" snapshots have come in handy as one of the few shots
I have of someone alive and healthy. There may be a lesson here about it being good to
show of your new gear. Or at least get photos of friends, even if it isn't a special
occasion.

If you want to know what I feel of the situation, here is something I wrote to
vent, before going to bed that night:

Hakuna Matata my ass

A friend once bought a used ambulance for towing his race car. I told him that he should name it
"Gloria Monday", as in "Sick Transit, Gloria Monday". Well I just had a
steaming pile of sic transit shat all over my plate today.

Despite knowing him for a bit over 22 years, I can't honestly say that John was
a very close friend. I don't know if we ever had any of those deep heart to
heart conversations that best friends had. But, over the past two decades he's
been there, in the background, doing little things that have benefited the
community in general, and a few that helped me in particular. Outside of
school, the first machine I had a shell account with net access on was deeptht.
A system he ran with his own time and money and gave shell accounts to pretty
much anyone that asked for them for free. Twenty years and an eternal
September later it's hard for most people to fathom what an amazing thing to do
this was.

Today, my emotions are a muddled, confused, angry mess. Upon hearing the news this
morning my immediate emotion was one of relief. Relief that the waiting was over. That,
the months and years of pain and suffering from the cancer had finally come to an end for
John. Relief at ending the uncertainty, not knowing when he was going to die, and the
rest of us can now make plans more than a few hours in advance without wondering if we'd
have to cancel them because we finally got "the news".

I'm angry at the loss of someone who about the worst thing I can say of him is
that he nearly waited until it was too late to write his will, because he
didn't want to do anything that might break his positive attitude, the only
slim chance at survival he had. I'm angry that a good man, with a wife and two
young sons is dead, while others, who would not only be happier, but the world
would be a better place, if they were to let slip from this earthly vale of
tears, are still alive, taking up space, and spreading vitriol and their own
special brand of pain and suffering to any and all close to them.

I'm angry that his two sons will grow up with only vague memories of their
father, and basically none of him before the cancer.

I could go on, but if I did, I'd inevitably succumb to the all too human urge
to make this be about me. My grief, my loss, my inconvenience, when what I
should do is shut up and let this be about a good man that died way too early.

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Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est
Another excellent tribute to his memory -- and judging by the way you
describe him here, he'd be very humbled by it.

I'll raise a glass to him, his family, and you this evening.

-- Walt

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Re: I never enter photo contests BUT...

2012-03-15 Thread Doug Brewer


On 3/15/12 7:42 PM, Bob W wrote:

I'm not voting because I have to register at what's obviously an

advertiser-driven website. I just don't want more of my personal
information in the hands of commercial interests. I am getting tired of
it.


Makes me appreciate our little list all the more...

Cheers,
frank



You ignorant fop! You have no idea what Doug Brewer does with the
information posted on the PDML, and for that matter, neither do I. :-)



He sells it to penis enlargement companies trading out of Nigeria. What I
want to know is, how did Brewer find out we all have such tiny peckers?

B




Easy. I've gauged your compensatory photographic spending habits.

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Re: Yellow Tang


Nice capture.

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: "Daniel J. Matyola" 

Subject: PESO: Yellow Tang



http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15292672&size=md

Comments are welcome.

Dan Matyola
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Re: OT - Online critics


I still like Velvia. You live in a drab little world Jack. ;-)


Most all the pro outdoor photogs used velvia before the digital age.

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: "Tom C" 

Subject: Re: OT - Online critics



From: Jack Davis 
Well, Tom I recall your Velvia? past. Doubtless your color cones are 
calloused. ;-)

?
Jack



I still like Velvia. You live in a drab little world Jack. ;-)

Tom C.



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Re: OT - Online critics

With his salesmanship skills, even I could make a comfortable living at 
photography.


Isn't that what's required nowadays to make a living in outdoor 
photography - unless your lead workshops & tours.


Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - 
From: "Larry Colen" 

Subject: Re: OT - Online critics




On Mar 15, 2012, at 12:17 PM,  
 wrote:


I had never heard of him until a recent series about his photographic 
trips on the Weather channel.


He comes across as bigger than life, a little too aninmated but I think 
his photos speak for them self.


I saw a couple episodes of his show.  The guy makes me seem humble.  He 
talks about the difficulty of hauling his SLR out to where ever, and 
there's the cameraman videotaping him rappelling down the cliff.  But, 
they don't mention that.  All the video is just as impressive as the 
stills they flash.  To be honest, the guy isn't a bad photographer, he 
just is nowhere near as good of a photographer as he is a publicist.


With his salesmanship skills, even I could make a comfortable living at 
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Re: GESO: Front Porch Photography - 3/14/12

On Mar 14, 2012, at 8:57 PM, Walt Gilbert wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> At the risk of wearing everyone out with GESOs and PESOs, I thought I'd post 
> some shots I grabbed this afternoon and evening. All but one of them are 
> sunsets, and one is a b&w landscape.
> 
> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157629222978388/

I was wondering if you could try processing IMGP5602-2  as if it had a red or 
orange filter, or just turn down the luminance of the blues so that rather than 
the sky being white, it came out darker.  I think that would help set the trees 
and roof off against the sky, and also do a better job of showing the clouds, 
as they'd be white against dark, rather than white against white.

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Re: OT - Online critics

A whlie back I becames aware that he had sold a photograph of his for $ 1 
million. This link http://www.artdaily.com/index.asp?int_sec=2&int_new=44121 
mentions it but I couldn't find an internet link to the image itself. It was 
a very well executed image, but $1 million ?


Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: "Tom C" 

Subject: Re: OT - Online critics


I had never heard of him until a recent series about his photographic 
trips

on the Weather channel.

He comes across as bigger than life, a little too aninmated but I think 
his

photos speak for them self.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller


I hadn't heard of him until now. A look at his online gallery left me
with mixed feelings, but more positive than negative. I saw some that
didn't excite me but overall I thought it was pretty decent, and there
were some I thought were excellent. While it looked like saturation
was boosted I didn't find it excessively so in most cases.

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RE: I never enter photo contests BUT...

> > I'm not voting because I have to register at what's obviously an
> advertiser-driven website. I just don't want more of my personal
> information in the hands of commercial interests. I am getting tired of
> it.
> >
> > Makes me appreciate our little list all the more...
> >
> > Cheers,
> > frank
> >
> 
> You ignorant fop! You have no idea what Doug Brewer does with the
> information posted on the PDML, and for that matter, neither do I. :-)
> 

He sells it to penis enlargement companies trading out of Nigeria. What I
want to know is, how did Brewer find out we all have such tiny peckers?

B


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RE: OT - Online critics

> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> Larry Colen
> 
[...]
> 
> With his salesmanship skills, even I could make a comfortable living at
> photography.
> 

I think someone here said a few months ago that this guy had sold a print
for a million dollars or some similarly ridiculous sum.

What I've seen of his stuff is hideous, but if that's the way people want to
spend their money then good for them and good for him. Money was never a
very reliable indicator of good taste.

I never trust people who tell me how difficult it was to get the shot.
They're either trying to make up for its deficiencies, or they're trying to
push the price up. But to me the value, however you measure it, of a picture
has nothing to do with how difficult or easy it was to take.

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RE: Would a B&W ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> Darren Addy
> 
> Before you answer: What if it was a Leica?
> http://www.petapixel.com/2012/03/15/leicas-upcoming-m-series-camera-
> may-have-a-bw-sensor/
> 

Nothing that Leica does would surprise me, but I might be a bit surprised if
they do that. It sounds like wishful thinking by old men. I think it would
be foolish to limit the camera in this way when it's perfectly easy to make
good B&W conversions.

However, I wouldn't mind too much if the camera had the same dimensions as
the M3. What I would like most from the next Leica M is to return to that
size, and be dust & weather resistant.

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Re: Would a B&W ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

2012-03-15 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> Interesting, I misunderstood.  I thought that each final site was an 
> interpolation of three or four adjoining sites. Since it wasn't something I 
> had the opportunity to do anything about, I didn't study it as deeply as I 
> might.  In a similar vein, I'm not as well versed on optical design as I 
> might be as if I'd taken a course in it college.

I studied neither digital image capture and processing nor optical
design in college. I studied them on my own both before (well, digital
image capture and processing didn't exist before I started college, at
least not to people who didn't already have a college degree... :-)
and after.

> I figured that each filter cut out about 2/3 of the spectrum, which would be 
> about  a stop and a half, but I wasn't letting a strict adherence to fact 
> interfere with my hyperbole.

The filters used in the Bayer mosaic have a lower filter factor than
the filters necessary to do the same job in front of the lens. The
chrominance interpolation calculations include factors for 'spill over
bias' as it is not sensible to cut sensor sensitivity by as much as
needed for a full spectral cut.

>> I'd rather have the flexibility. I've worked with monochromatic
>> digital capture cameras way back in the digital dark ages (1980s) and
>> have NO interest in going back there. I want the ability to manipulate
>> chrominance to luminance translation at rendering time, not at capture
>> time, with a larger, more robust captured dataset.
>
> One could apply the same argument to the lightfield camera.

One could, once the technology reaches a plateau of accessibility and
usability that the modern Bayer mosaic sensor camera has. That will
take a while. To build a 12 Mpixel lightfield camera requires about
100 Mphotosite sensor capture as a base minimum.

> Until I'm making my living, or at least substantial income, from photography, 
> if I'm being honest with myself, my cameras are toys.

That's fine for you. My cameras are the tools of my avocation at this
point in time, and the tools of my career income at other times in my
life. They are certainly not "toys" to me. If you're referring to
Godfrey's cameras, they are not the equivalent of "Godfrey's toys" ...
My toys are rather different things, most of which I've discarded so
as to afford better camera equipment.

> And it was exactly that implication that got the laugh I was aiming for.

I didn't find it funny, or ironic. I found it an inaccurate
ascription. Photography to me is fun and can be approached
light-heartedly, but it is also quite serious. I don't do it as a
mental health palliative, and I do take exception to someone implying
that that perspective applies as my perspective. Sorry.

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Re: Would a B&W ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

Wouldn't appeal to me at all.

But if it were to have "Leica" on the front there's a substantial
number of pretentious rich guys to whom it would appeal.

 
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Re: GESO spcecdt (going a bit OT)

On Mar 15, 2012, at 4:03 PM, Walt Gilbert wrote:

> I'm sorry for the loss of your friend, Larry. I remember you talking about 
> him a bit when I was there visiting. It was obvious you had great respect and 
> affection for the man.  

Thanks Walt, Bruce, Paul, and a preemptive thank you for people yet to comment.

> 
> Between the photos and your email to the Linux group, you've put together a 
> great, warm tribute to his memory.

> 
> May he rest in peace and his family and friends always carry him in their 
> hearts.

It is interesting that this is the second time in the past year that "look at 
what this shiny piece of kit can do" snapshots have come in handy as one of the 
few shots I have of someone alive and healthy.  There may be a lesson here 
about it being good to show of your new gear.  Or at least get photos of 
friends, even if it isn't a special occasion.

If you want to know what I feel of the situation, here is something I wrote to 
vent, before going to bed that night:

Hakuna Matata my ass

A friend once bought a used ambulance for towing his race car. I told him that 
he should name it "Gloria Monday", as in "Sick Transit, Gloria Monday". Well I 
just had a steaming pile of sic transit shat all over my plate today.

Despite knowing him for a bit over 22 years, I can't honestly say that John was 
a very close friend. I don't know if we ever had any of those deep  heart to 
heart conversations that best friends had.  But, over the past two decades he's 
been there, in the background, doing little things that have benefited the 
community in general, and a few that helped me in particular.  Outside of 
school, the first machine I had a shell account with net access on was deeptht. 
A system he ran with his own time and money and gave shell accounts to pretty 
much anyone that asked for them for free.  Twenty years and an eternal 
September later it's hard for most people to fathom what an amazing thing to do 
this was.

Today, my emotions are a muddled, confused, angry mess.  Upon hearing the news 
this morning my immediate emotion was one of relief. Relief that the waiting 
was over. That, the months and years of pain and suffering from the cancer had 
finally come to an end for John. Relief at ending the uncertainty, not knowing 
when he was going to die, and  the rest of us can now make plans more than a 
few hours in advance without wondering if we'd have to cancel them because we 
finally got "the news".

I'm angry at the loss of someone who about the worst thing I can say of him is 
that he nearly waited until it was too late to write his will, because he 
didn't want to do anything that might break his positive attitude, the only 
slim chance at survival he had.  I'm angry that a good man, with a wife and two 
young sons is dead, while others, who would not only be happier, but the world 
would be a better place, if they were to let slip from this earthly vale of 
tears, are still alive, taking up space, and spreading vitriol and their own 
special brand of pain and suffering to any and all close to them.

I'm angry that his two sons will grow up with only vague memories of their 
father, and basically none of him before the cancer.

I could go on, but if I did, I'd inevitably succumb to the all too human urge 
to make this be about me. My grief, my loss, my inconvenience, when what I 
should do is shut up and let this be about a good man that died way too early.

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Re: GESO spcecdt

2012-03-15 Thread Paul Sorenson


So sorry to hear this, Larry.  Looks like he was a really special guy.

-p

On 3/15/2012 5:48 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

Sorry to hear about the loss of your friend. Good on ya for doing this, Larry.


On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:


Since I mentioned it

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157629586266869/
or
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157629586266869/

Most of these photos haven't been cleaned up much, I just did a quick
search and post so people who needed photos for the memorial could find some
quickly.  It's an interesting challenge, one that most of our friends and
family will likely face one day, because for the 22 years that I've known
John, he was always the one taking photos at all the events.

Here's something I wrote about him for the local Linux User's Group email
list:

John Dubois, aka spcecdt, passed away this morning, losing a several year
battle with cancer.  Many, perhaps most, of the people on this list have no
idea who is, but everyone owes him a huge debt of gratitude, as someone long
instrumental in the Santa Cruz geek community.  These days, when $30/month
will get buy you broadband at your home, along with hosted email, and even a
website, it's almost hard to remember when an email account was a rarity.

I met John at a b-geek party at Bonny Doon Beach, in October of '89, the
weekend before "The pretty big one".   At that point, he was already running
deeptht as a public access host, providing shell accounts for free to pretty
much anyone who asked.  He paid, out of his own pocket, for  a ridiculously
large number of phone lines, so that people could dial in to access their
mail.

For a while, when uscscc was decommissioned, John even provided me with
free dial-up uucp access, so that I could run my own email server.

For many years the Armory, one of the original geek houses in Santa Cruz,
was a cultural center of the Santa Cruz geek scene. The parties at the
armory were epic in scope, and hard to describe.  You could stand in one
spot and reach people arguing technical details of operating system design,
cute drunken coeds, and someone logged into the net on one of several serial
terminals in the living room. Over the past decade, or so, until John's
health became too poor, there was a weekly potluck hosted at the Armory
every Friday evening.

John was well regarded for his technical skills, not only with computers,
but home made pyrotechnics (there's a reason the house was called "The
Armory"), and even the facility with which he made Ice Cream using LN2.


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Re: Would a B&W ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

Absolute ditto. I don't do that many B&W's but even I see how anemic
automatic conversions look compared to careful use of the colour
mixer, contrast enhancement, etc. Unless this camera comes with Nik's
b&w plugin built-in, I'd give it a resounding meh. Assuming meh's can
resound.


On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 4:55 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> Absolutely not. It's not necessary. Conversion is easy ad very efficient. 
> IMore importantly, I wouldn't want the camera to do that for me. I want to be 
> able to assign grey values to the various colors.
> Paul
> On Mar 15, 2012, at 12:07 PM, Darren Addy wrote:
>
>> Before you answer: What if it was a Leica?
>> http://www.petapixel.com/2012/03/15/leicas-upcoming-m-series-camera-may-have-a-bw-sensor/
>>
>> Darren Addy
>> Kearney, Nebraska

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Re: GESO spcecdt

I'm sorry for the loss of your friend, Larry. I remember you talking 
about him a bit when I was there visiting. It was obvious you had great 
respect and affection for the man.


Between the photos and your email to the Linux group, you've put 
together a great, warm tribute to his memory.


May he rest in peace and his family and friends always carry him in 
their hearts.


-- Walt

On 3/15/2012 4:53 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

Since I mentioned it

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157629586266869/
or
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157629586266869/

Most of these photos haven't been cleaned up much, I just did a quick search 
and post so people who needed photos for the memorial could find some quickly.  
It's an interesting challenge, one that most of our friends and family will 
likely face one day, because for the 22 years that I've known John, he was 
always the one taking photos at all the events.

Here's something I wrote about him for the local Linux User's Group email list:

John Dubois, aka spcecdt, passed away this morning, losing a several year 
battle with cancer.  Many, perhaps most, of the people on this list have no 
idea who is, but everyone owes him a huge debt of gratitude, as someone long 
instrumental in the Santa Cruz geek community.  These days, when $30/month will 
get buy you broadband at your home, along with hosted email, and even a 
website, it's almost hard to remember when an email account was a rarity.

I met John at a b-geek party at Bonny Doon Beach, in October of '89, the weekend before 
"The pretty big one".   At that point, he was already running deeptht as a 
public access host, providing shell accounts for free to pretty much anyone who asked.  
He paid, out of his own pocket, for  a ridiculously large number of phone lines, so that 
people could dial in to access their mail.

For a while, when uscscc was decommissioned, John even provided me with free 
dial-up uucp access, so that I could run my own email server.

For many years the Armory, one of the original geek houses in Santa Cruz, was a 
cultural center of the Santa Cruz geek scene. The parties at the armory were 
epic in scope, and hard to describe.  You could stand in one spot and reach 
people arguing technical details of operating system design, cute drunken 
coeds, and someone logged into the net on one of several serial terminals in 
the living room. Over the past decade, or so, until John's health became too 
poor, there was a weekly potluck hosted at the Armory every Friday evening.

John was well regarded for his technical skills, not only with computers, but home made 
pyrotechnics (there's a reason the house was called "The Armory"), and even the 
facility with which he made Ice Cream using LN2.


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Re: Pentax DA 18-135 zoom

2012-03-15 Thread Paul Sorenson


Or some kind of dysfunction if the zoom hangs up at 18mm

-p

On 3/15/2012 11:16 AM, John Sessoms wrote:

From: John Francis


On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 04:03:45PM -0400, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Does anyone have any experience with, or opinions on, the following
lens?

smc PENTAX-DA 1:3.5-5.6 18-135mm ED AL [IF] DC WR

And just what do all those letters at the end mean?

ED - Extra Dispersion Some elements made of high-refractive-index glass

AL - Aspherical eLements Some of those pieces of glass have shapes
that are somewhat harder to manufacture.

IF - Internal Focus The front element doesn't rotate when focussing
(which is very handy if you're using a polariser)

DC - ?? Don't Care? Destroys Cameras?

WR - Water Resistant


DC = Direct Current motor

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Re: GESO spcecdt

Sorry to hear about the loss of your friend. Good on ya for doing this, Larry.


On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>
> Since I mentioned it
>
> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157629586266869/
> or
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157629586266869/
>
> Most of these photos haven't been cleaned up much, I just did a quick
> search and post so people who needed photos for the memorial could find some
> quickly.  It's an interesting challenge, one that most of our friends and
> family will likely face one day, because for the 22 years that I've known
> John, he was always the one taking photos at all the events.
>
> Here's something I wrote about him for the local Linux User's Group email
> list:
>
> John Dubois, aka spcecdt, passed away this morning, losing a several year
> battle with cancer.  Many, perhaps most, of the people on this list have no
> idea who is, but everyone owes him a huge debt of gratitude, as someone long
> instrumental in the Santa Cruz geek community.  These days, when $30/month
> will get buy you broadband at your home, along with hosted email, and even a
> website, it's almost hard to remember when an email account was a rarity.
>
> I met John at a b-geek party at Bonny Doon Beach, in October of '89, the
> weekend before "The pretty big one".   At that point, he was already running
> deeptht as a public access host, providing shell accounts for free to pretty
> much anyone who asked.  He paid, out of his own pocket, for  a ridiculously
> large number of phone lines, so that people could dial in to access their
> mail.
>
> For a while, when uscscc was decommissioned, John even provided me with
> free dial-up uucp access, so that I could run my own email server.
>
> For many years the Armory, one of the original geek houses in Santa Cruz,
> was a cultural center of the Santa Cruz geek scene. The parties at the
> armory were epic in scope, and hard to describe.  You could stand in one
> spot and reach people arguing technical details of operating system design,
> cute drunken coeds, and someone logged into the net on one of several serial
> terminals in the living room. Over the past decade, or so, until John's
> health became too poor, there was a weekly potluck hosted at the Armory
> every Friday evening.
>
> John was well regarded for his technical skills, not only with computers,
> but home made pyrotechnics (there's a reason the house was called "The
> Armory"), and even the facility with which he made Ice Cream using LN2.
>
>
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Re: Would a B&W ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

2012-03-15 Thread Paul Sorenson

A resounding no.  You'd be back to using filters that affect the image 
globally.  Converting from color to b/w allows you to filter selectively.


-p

On 3/15/2012 11:07 AM, Darren Addy wrote:

Before you answer: What if it was a Leica?
http://www.petapixel.com/2012/03/15/leicas-upcoming-m-series-camera-may-have-a-bw-sensor/

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Re: OT - Online critics


On Mar 15, 2012, at 3:29 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

> From: Jack Davis
> 
>> Have never before seen the mystery letter groups I've parenthesized at the 
>> end of that sentence.
>> I just checked my sent file and do not find them. ??
>> 
>> What's a "cobber?"
>> 
>> Jack
>> 
> 
> Pal, homeboy, buddy, wingman, chum, bloke, dude, guy, crony, tovarisch ...

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Re: Would a B&W ONLY digital camera appeal to you?


On Mar 15, 2012, at 3:15 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>> Let's rephrase that question:
>> 
>> "Would you like a camera with two stops more sensitivity, and three or four 
>> times the resolution?
> 
> Don't mix up the subject of resolution and sensitivity. A Bayer mosaic
> sensor with a given dimension photosite array has exactly the same
> spatial resolution as a non-mosaic sensor with that same set of
> dimensions. The only way you get more resolution is to add photosites
> and reduce antialiasing requirements. A Bayer mosaic sensor
> interpolates chrominance values per output pixel, not the spatial
> values of points in the scene it captures.

Interesting, I misunderstood.  I thought that each final site was an 
interpolation of three or four adjoining sites. Since it wasn't something I had 
the opportunity to do anything about, I didn't study it as deeply as I might.  
In a similar vein, I'm not as well versed on optical design as I might be as if 
I'd taken a course in it college.

> 
>> What if you had to give up color to get it?"
>> 
>> Color doesn't come for free.  In order to get color, you have to throw away 
>> a lot of light at each sensor site.  If all you ever photograph are 
>> technically easy subjects like models in the studio, barns, or cats in 
>> plenty of light, then incrementally better performance isn't a big deal.  If 
>> you find yourself pushing the performance envelope of your camera and having 
>> to convert to B&W, not for specific effect but because the noise is less 
>> obnoxious in B&W than in color,  an added stop of performance can be worth 
>> it.
> 
> Here's the deal:
> 
> The key to B&W photography is that it is a non-linear capture of a
> color universe abstracted into a set of monochromatic tonal
> relationships. One of the vectors is the translation of chrominance to
> luminance. When we were working with B&W film, we chose films with
> particular spectral characteristics and then added filtration in front
> of the lens to tweak those spectral characteristics to match the
> particular end tonal relationships we wanted. For instance, red and
> green at the same luminance look the same when cast into monochromatic
> values. But to capture their perceptual/emotional difference
> correctly, we need to differentiate them. So we use filters that
> separate them (red filters makes red things brighter, green things
> darker, and vice versa).

Exactly, or used films with different characteristics.  

> 
> When we moved into the digital capture realm, B&W become a rendering
> exercise instead of a capture exercise ... it's dependent upon how we
> evaluate and translate the chrominance values into luminance, not how
> the sensor captures the data that we work from. We pay a small price
> for this in terms of putting filters on the photosites, reducing
> sensitivity by some amount (not two stops, given the same photosite
> array dimensions) to capture the whole range of spectral data, and by
> doing so we gain massive amounts of rendering flexibility.

I figured that each filter cut out about 2/3 of the spectrum, which would be 
about  a stop and a half, but I wasn't letting a strict adherence to fact 
interfere with my hyperbole.

> 
> With a sensor that only captures monochromatic values, we're back to
> considering B&W at capture time ... so we have to pull out the filters
> again in order to adjust chrominance to luminance translation at
> capture time, cutting sensitivity by at least as much as the Bayer
> color mosaic does.

If, of course, you choose to not accept the broad band color balance.  If I'm 
using a black and white sensor, it'll be because I need every single photon 
that I can capture.  Plus, I always have the option of dropping a color filter 
in front of the lens anyways.

> 
> I'd rather have the flexibility. I've worked with monochromatic
> digital capture cameras way back in the digital dark ages (1980s) and
> have NO interest in going back there. I want the ability to manipulate
> chrominance to luminance translation at rendering time, not at capture
> time, with a larger, more robust captured dataset.

One could apply the same argument to the lightfield camera.

> 
>> I probably wouldn't drop the dosh on the Leica version though, even if I had 
>> Godfrey's toy budget.
> 
> LOL!
> 
> Sorry, the Leica isn't a toy. I don't consider it as such. A K5 or
> K-01 might be a toy to you ... to me the Leica M9 is a serious
> instrument for making photographs, as would either the K5 or K-01 be
> if I went to purchase them.

Until I'm making my living, or at least substantial income, from photography, 
if I'm being honest with myself, my cameras are toys.  My cameras contribute 
significantly to my mental health, not so much to my fiscal health.

> By making that statement, you are implying
> a) that I have a lot of money and b) that I toss money around without
> discretion, Larry.

And it was exactly that impl

Re: OT - Online critics

I do shoot a lot of B&W. h..
 
Jack


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> From: Jack Davis 
> Well, Tom I recall your Velvia? past. Doubtless your color cones are 
> calloused. ;-)
> ?
> Jack
>

I still like Velvia. You live in a drab little world Jack. ;-)

Tom C.

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From: Jack Davis


Have never before seen the mystery letter groups I've parenthesized at the end 
of that sentence.
I just checked my sent file and do not find them. ??

What's a "cobber?"

Jack



Pal, homeboy, buddy, wingman, chum, bloke, dude, guy, crony, tovarisch ...




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Quoting Jack Davis :


One final minor Peter Lik comment; I doubt he completed a sentence during his Weather Channel photo series that 
didn't include( )the fillers,( )"bloody" &/or "mate."



Starve the bloody lizards! You got a problem with that, cobber...er, mate??

(I've never seen his show - not sure if it's even been shown downunder.)


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Re: Would a B&W ONLY digital camera appeal to you?


From: Larry Colen


On Mar 15, 2012, at 9:07 AM, Darren Addy wrote:


Before you answer: What if it was a Leica?
http://www.petapixel.com/2012/03/15/leicas-upcoming-m-series-camera-may-have-a-bw-sensor/

Let's rephrase that question:

"Would you like a camera with two stops more sensitivity, and three or four 
times the resolution?
What if you had to give up color to get it?"


I'll wait until the price comes down to the point where I can have 
sensitivity, resolution *and* color.


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> From: Jack Davis 
> Well, Tom I recall your Velvia? past. Doubtless your color cones are 
> calloused. ;-)
> ?
> Jack
>

I still like Velvia. You live in a drab little world Jack. ;-)

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> On Mar 15, 2012, at 9:07 AM, Darren Addy wrote:
>
> Before you answer: What if it was a Leica?
> http://www.petapixel.com/2012/03/15/leicas-upcoming-m-series-camera-may-have-a-bw-sensor/
>

No. For many of the reasons already given.

However it was not that long ago that B&W was the only choice. Even I,
being born in 1960, was only given B&W film when my dad bought film
for my Brownie Hawkeye, no doubt because it was less expensive than
color.

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Re: Would a B&W ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

2012-03-15 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> Let's rephrase that question:
>
> "Would you like a camera with two stops more sensitivity, and three or four 
> times the resolution?

Don't mix up the subject of resolution and sensitivity. A Bayer mosaic
sensor with a given dimension photosite array has exactly the same
spatial resolution as a non-mosaic sensor with that same set of
dimensions. The only way you get more resolution is to add photosites
and reduce antialiasing requirements. A Bayer mosaic sensor
interpolates chrominance values per output pixel, not the spatial
values of points in the scene it captures.

> What if you had to give up color to get it?"
>
> Color doesn't come for free.  In order to get color, you have to throw away a 
> lot of light at each sensor site.  If all you ever photograph are technically 
> easy subjects like models in the studio, barns, or cats in plenty of light, 
> then incrementally better performance isn't a big deal.  If you find yourself 
> pushing the performance envelope of your camera and having to convert to B&W, 
> not for specific effect but because the noise is less obnoxious in B&W than 
> in color,  an added stop of performance can be worth it.

Here's the deal:

The key to B&W photography is that it is a non-linear capture of a
color universe abstracted into a set of monochromatic tonal
relationships. One of the vectors is the translation of chrominance to
luminance. When we were working with B&W film, we chose films with
particular spectral characteristics and then added filtration in front
of the lens to tweak those spectral characteristics to match the
particular end tonal relationships we wanted. For instance, red and
green at the same luminance look the same when cast into monochromatic
values. But to capture their perceptual/emotional difference
correctly, we need to differentiate them. So we use filters that
separate them (red filters makes red things brighter, green things
darker, and vice versa).

When we moved into the digital capture realm, B&W become a rendering
exercise instead of a capture exercise ... it's dependent upon how we
evaluate and translate the chrominance values into luminance, not how
the sensor captures the data that we work from. We pay a small price
for this in terms of putting filters on the photosites, reducing
sensitivity by some amount (not two stops, given the same photosite
array dimensions) to capture the whole range of spectral data, and by
doing so we gain massive amounts of rendering flexibility.

With a sensor that only captures monochromatic values, we're back to
considering B&W at capture time ... so we have to pull out the filters
again in order to adjust chrominance to luminance translation at
capture time, cutting sensitivity by at least as much as the Bayer
color mosaic does.

I'd rather have the flexibility. I've worked with monochromatic
digital capture cameras way back in the digital dark ages (1980s) and
have NO interest in going back there. I want the ability to manipulate
chrominance to luminance translation at rendering time, not at capture
time, with a larger, more robust captured dataset.

> I probably wouldn't drop the dosh on the Leica version though, even if I had 
> Godfrey's toy budget.

LOL!

Sorry, the Leica isn't a toy. I don't consider it as such. A K5 or
K-01 might be a toy to you ... to me the Leica M9 is a serious
instrument for making photographs, as would either the K5 or K-01 be
if I went to purchase them. By making that statement, you are implying
a) that I have a lot of money and b) that I toss money around without
discretion, Larry.

I don't on either count. I studied and considered what I wanted to
work with for more than a year before I came to the decision, and not
lightly, that it was the Leica M9. And then I saved up the money to
obtain the M9 and bought it.

Now having spent the money for the camera and the lenses I want to use
with it, and having spent some time to learn to use it, I can say
without a doubt that if I could only have one camera, I'd sell
everything else in a heartbeat. It suits me perfectly and is a tool
worth every penny I've put into it. It is no toy, not to me anyway. It
is just a camera, in the end, but it's price means it's not something
I choose to spend money for without very careful consideration and
deliberation.

I have NO interest in a B&W only digital camera, at whatever price. I
want to do very high quality B&W, and I don't want to be limited by a
B&W only camera.

G

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Re: OT - Online critics


On Mar 15, 2012, at 3:02 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

> Perhaps "insult" was not the right word to convey what I meant.
> 
> Kennyboy *is* a clueless git, but he's not a bad person. Kinkade is an oxygen 
> thief with no redeeming qualities whatsoever, and a complete waste of space 
> on planet Earth.

If that wasn't way too harsh for the friendly banter of Mark's collection.


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Re: PAW114 - Island

2012-03-15 Thread DagT

Thank you to Brian, Dave, Godfrey, knarf, Tim, Dan and Bulent :-)

DagT

Den 13. mars 2012 kl. 12:28 skrev Brian Walters:

> Quoting DagT :
> 
>> http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/PAW/files/page7-1000-full.html
>> K-5, DA15mm, 1/13, f/4.0, ISO100.
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> So simple.  So stunning
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Cheers
> 
> Brian


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Perhaps "insult" was not the right word to convey what I meant.

Kennyboy *is* a clueless git, but he's not a bad person. Kinkade is an 
oxygen thief with no redeeming qualities whatsoever, and a complete 
waste of space on planet Earth.



From: "P. J. Alling"


Let's be a bit more precise here, it's not impossible to insult
Kennyboy, it's impossible for Kennyboy to be insulted.  A very subtle
difference.

On 3/15/2012 11:59 AM, John Sessoms wrote:

I would have never thought it possible to insult Kennyboy.

From: Jack Davis


The Kennyboy of painters.
?
Jack


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I have only one thing to say:

http://www.thomaskinkade.com/magi/servlet/com.asucon.ebiz.home.web.tk.HomeServlet


Cheers,
frank


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Re: OT - Online critics

2012-03-15 Thread Ann Sanfedele

Bruce - In my case, it is his irritating patter with his Weather Channel 
show... and his self-agrandisement. He just shouts throughout
the show "OH, AH, Gotta get this.. This is so great, blah blah, while 
his video guy is getting the lovely shots.


ann

On 3/15/2012 13:17, Bruce Walker wrote:

On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:


On Mar 14, 2012, at 2:25 PM, Bob W wrote:



I agree half-way with you. The theoretical image COULD be pure schmuck
and 'the many' were duped into following the masses because of the
stature of the photographer.

Tom C.


Maybe, but how does the photographer get his stature in the first place, if
all he produces is pure schmuck?



Ask Peter Lik.

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First I've heard of this guy so I had a look. Fine panorama's, many
stunning views, colourful but thankfully free of overt HDRism.

I'll bite. What's the issue with Peter Lik's stuff? Too populist?
Excessive self-promotion?



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GESO spcecdt

Since I mentioned it

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157629586266869/
or
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157629586266869/

Most of these photos haven't been cleaned up much, I just did a quick search 
and post so people who needed photos for the memorial could find some quickly.  
It's an interesting challenge, one that most of our friends and family will 
likely face one day, because for the 22 years that I've known John, he was 
always the one taking photos at all the events.

Here's something I wrote about him for the local Linux User's Group email list:

John Dubois, aka spcecdt, passed away this morning, losing a several year 
battle with cancer.  Many, perhaps most, of the people on this list have no 
idea who is, but everyone owes him a huge debt of gratitude, as someone long 
instrumental in the Santa Cruz geek community.  These days, when $30/month will 
get buy you broadband at your home, along with hosted email, and even a 
website, it's almost hard to remember when an email account was a rarity.

I met John at a b-geek party at Bonny Doon Beach, in October of '89, the 
weekend before "The pretty big one".   At that point, he was already running 
deeptht as a public access host, providing shell accounts for free to pretty 
much anyone who asked.  He paid, out of his own pocket, for  a ridiculously 
large number of phone lines, so that people could dial in to access their mail.

For a while, when uscscc was decommissioned, John even provided me with free 
dial-up uucp access, so that I could run my own email server.

For many years the Armory, one of the original geek houses in Santa Cruz, was a 
cultural center of the Santa Cruz geek scene. The parties at the armory were 
epic in scope, and hard to describe.  You could stand in one spot and reach 
people arguing technical details of operating system design, cute drunken 
coeds, and someone logged into the net on one of several serial terminals in 
the living room. Over the past decade, or so, until John's health became too 
poor, there was a weekly potluck hosted at the Armory every Friday evening.

John was well regarded for his technical skills, not only with computers, but 
home made pyrotechnics (there's a reason the house was called "The Armory"), 
and even the facility with which he made Ice Cream using LN2. 


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Re: OT - Online critics

Have never before seen the mystery letter groups I've parenthesized at the end 
of that sentence. 
I just checked my sent file and do not find them. ??

What's a "cobber?"

Jack ;-)


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Quoting Jack Davis :

> One final minor Peter Lik comment; I doubt he completed a sentence during his 
> Weather Channel photo series that didn't include( )the 
> fillers,( )"bloody" &/or "mate."



Starve the bloody lizards! You got a problem with that, cobber...er, mate??

(I've never seen his show - not sure if it's even been shown downunder.)



Cheers

Brian

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> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "knarftheria...@gmail.com" 
> To: ""Pentax-Discuss Mail List"" 
> Cc:
> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 1:43 PM
> Subject: Re: OT - Online critics
> 
> I have lots of problems with this guy and his photos.
> 
> Let me start by saying that I don't know what "art" is, but when the word 
> "fine" is put in front of it, it usually ain't.
> 
> My biggest problem is that everything is larger than life. His descriptions 
> of the hardships he endures to get the perfect photo, his description of the 
> photos and the photos themselves. It's all hyper-real, more than I can take.
> 
> Plus, he used the word "zen" apparently without irony. Need I say more?
> 
> I know that we all bump up the saturation a bit for a beautiful sunset or 
> whatever. But this guy is way ott.
> 
> I won't mention names because I'm bound to forget someone, but there are a 
> dozen or more photographers here whose landscapes blow this guy out of the 
> water. What he's doing isn't bad but it's not great either.
> 
> It strikes me that he's pandering to his audience (said audience no doubt 
> determined by a market survey) and when that happens often "art" somehow gets 
> lost along the way.
> 
> His stuff (to me) is the photographic equivalent of velvet paintings of 
> clowns and puppies with big eyes, Andre Rieux or Nora Roberts.
> 
> Or Thomas Kinkaid.
> 
> Cheers,
> frank
> 
> "What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." -- 
> Christopher Hitchens
> 
> --- Original Message ---
> 
> From: Larry Colen 
> Sent: March 15, 2012 3/15/12
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Subject: Re: OT - Online critics
> 
> 
> On Mar 15, 2012, at 12:17 PM,   
> wrote:
> 
>> I had never heard of him until a recent series about his photographic trips 
>> on the Weather channel.
>> 
>> He comes across as bigger than life, a little too aninmated but I think his 
>> photos speak for them self.
> 
> I saw a couple episodes of his show.  The guy makes me seem 
> humble.  He talks about the difficulty of hauling his SLR out to where 
> ever, and there's the cameraman videotaping him rappelling down the 
> cliff.  But, they don't mention that.  All the video is just as 
> impressive as the stills they flash.  To be honest, the guy isn't a bad 
> photographer, he just is nowhere near as good of a photographer as he is a 
> publicist.
> 
> With his salesmanship skills, even I could make a comfortable living at 
> photography.
> 
> 
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> 
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Re: Would a B&W ONLY digital camera appeal to you?


On Mar 15, 2012, at 2:47 PM, Bulent Celasun wrote:

> A definite yes (even before rephrasing the question).
> 
> Color has never been a strong part of my "view" and it usually gets in the 
> way!
> 
> I also wish I had a pocket that deep, by the way!

Hell, I'd settle for having a pocket that deep, even if I didn't get that 
particular piece of shiny.

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Re: Would a B&W ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

2012-03-15 Thread Bulent Celasun

A definite yes (even before rephrasing the question).

Color has never been a strong part of my "view" and it usually gets in the way!

I also wish I had a pocket that deep, by the way!

Bulent
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Re: Would a B&W ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

On Mar 15, 2012, at 9:07 AM, Darren Addy wrote:

> Before you answer: What if it was a Leica?
> http://www.petapixel.com/2012/03/15/leicas-upcoming-m-series-camera-may-have-a-bw-sensor/

Let's rephrase that question:

"Would you like a camera with two stops more sensitivity, and three or four 
times the resolution?
What if you had to give up color to get it?"

Color doesn't come for free.  In order to get color, you have to throw away a 
lot of light at each sensor site.  If all you ever photograph are technically 
easy subjects like models in the studio, barns, or cats in plenty of light, 
then incrementally better performance isn't a big deal.  If you find yourself 
pushing the performance envelope of your camera and having to convert to B&W, 
not for specific effect but because the noise is less obnoxious in B&W than in 
color,  an added stop of performance can be worth it.

Yesterday afternoon, I stumbled across a photo of a friend who passed away on 
Sunday.  It's one of those "look what my shiny new lens can do", portraits that 
didn't mean anything at the time, but it's one of the few photos I have of him 
before he lost an eye to cancer.  It was shot with the K100 at ISO 1600. 
Smaller versions aren't bad, but when you bump up the size, the sensor 
limitations become obvious:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/6836872410/sizes/o

even in black and white the shadow noise is an issue:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/6836875878/sizes/o

A black and white version of the K100 would have made a huge difference, 
bringing this photo across the threshold from just noisy enough to be 
bothersome, to just clean enough to not be bothersome.  The K-5 could have 
taken this same shot without even breathing hard, but that just means I'm 
running into the same issues in less light.

So, given the choice of spending $800 on a faster lens for low light work, or 
$800 for a special version of the K-01 without the Bayer filter, to give me 
another stop or two of sensitivity on all of my lenses for extra tough 
lighting, if I had that $800 I almost certainly would.

I probably wouldn't drop the dosh on the Leica version though, even if I had 
Godfrey's toy budget.

> 

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Re: PESO: Yellow Tang


I like that a lot, Dan. Wonderful color and detail in the subject.

-- Walt

On 3/15/2012 3:36 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15292672&size=md

Comments are welcome.

Dan Matyola
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Re: OT - Online critics

2012-03-15 Thread Brian Walters


Quoting Jack Davis :

One final minor Peter Lik comment; I doubt he completed a sentence  
during his Weather Channel photo series that didn't include the  
fillers, "bloody" &/or "mate."




Starve the bloody lizards! You got a problem with that, cobber...er, mate??

(I've never seen his show - not sure if it's even been shown downunder.)



Cheers

Brian

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I have lots of problems with this guy and his photos.

Let me start by saying that I don't know what "art" is, but when the  
word "fine" is put in front of it, it usually ain't.


My biggest problem is that everything is larger than life. His  
descriptions of the hardships he endures to get the perfect photo,  
his description of the photos and the photos themselves. It's all  
hyper-real, more than I can take.


Plus, he used the word "zen" apparently without irony. Need I say more?

I know that we all bump up the saturation a bit for a beautiful  
sunset or whatever. But this guy is way ott.


I won't mention names because I'm bound to forget someone, but there  
are a dozen or more photographers here whose landscapes blow this  
guy out of the water. What he's doing isn't bad but it's not great  
either.


It strikes me that he's pandering to his audience (said audience no  
doubt determined by a market survey) and when that happens often  
"art" somehow gets lost along the way.


His stuff (to me) is the photographic equivalent of velvet paintings  
of clowns and puppies with big eyes, Andre Rieux or Nora Roberts.


Or Thomas Kinkaid.

Cheers,
frank

"What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof."  
-- Christopher Hitchens


--- Original Message ---

From: Larry Colen 
Sent: March 15, 2012 3/15/12
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Subject: Re: OT - Online critics


On Mar 15, 2012, at 12:17 PM,   
 wrote:


I had never heard of him until a recent series about his  
photographic trips on the Weather channel.


He comes across as bigger than life, a little too aninmated but I  
think his photos speak for them self.


I saw a couple episodes of his show.  The guy makes me seem  
humble.  He talks about the difficulty of hauling his SLR out  
to where ever, and there's the cameraman videotaping him rappelling  
down the cliff.  But, they don't mention that.  All the  
video is just as impressive as the stills they flash.  To be  
honest, the guy isn't a bad photographer, he just is nowhere near as  
good of a photographer as he is a publicist.


With his salesmanship skills, even I could make a comfortable living  
at photography.



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Re: OT - Online critics

One final minor Peter Lik comment; I doubt he completed a sentence during his 
Weather Channel photo series that didn't include the fillers, "bloody" &/or 
"mate."

Jack

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I have lots of problems with this guy and his photos. 

Let me start by saying that I don't know what "art" is, but when the word 
"fine" is put in front of it, it usually ain't.

My biggest problem is that everything is larger than life. His descriptions of 
the hardships he endures to get the perfect photo, his description of the 
photos and the photos themselves. It's all hyper-real, more than I can take.

Plus, he used the word "zen" apparently without irony. Need I say more?

I know that we all bump up the saturation a bit for a beautiful sunset or 
whatever. But this guy is way ott.

I won't mention names because I'm bound to forget someone, but there are a 
dozen or more photographers here whose landscapes blow this guy out of the 
water. What he's doing isn't bad but it's not great either.

It strikes me that he's pandering to his audience (said audience no doubt 
determined by a market survey) and when that happens often "art" somehow gets 
lost along the way.

His stuff (to me) is the photographic equivalent of velvet paintings of clowns 
and puppies with big eyes, Andre Rieux or Nora Roberts.

Or Thomas Kinkaid.

Cheers,
frank

"What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." -- 
Christopher Hitchens

--- Original Message ---

From: Larry Colen 
Sent: March 15, 2012 3/15/12
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Subject: Re: OT - Online critics

On Mar 15, 2012, at 12:17 PM,   
wrote:

> I had never heard of him until a recent series about his photographic trips 
> on the Weather channel.
> 
> He comes across as bigger than life, a little too aninmated but I think his 
> photos speak for them self.

I saw a couple episodes of his show.  The guy makes me seem humble.  He talks 
about the difficulty of hauling his SLR out to where ever, and there's the 
cameraman videotaping him rappelling down the cliff.  But, they don't mention 
that.  All the video is just as impressive as the stills they flash.  To be 
honest, the guy isn't a bad photographer, he just is nowhere near as good of a 
photographer as he is a publicist.

With his salesmanship skills, even I could make a comfortable living at 
photography.

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Re: Would a B&W ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

2012-03-15 Thread Paul Stenquist

Absolutely not. It's not necessary. Conversion is easy ad very efficient. IMore 
importantly, I wouldn't want the camera to do that for me. I want to be able to 
assign grey values to the various colors. 
Paul
On Mar 15, 2012, at 12:07 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

> Before you answer: What if it was a Leica?
> http://www.petapixel.com/2012/03/15/leicas-upcoming-m-series-camera-may-have-a-bw-sensor/
> 
> Darren Addy
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RE: PESO: Yellow Tang

Gorgeous colours! 

Lovely.

cheers,
frank

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Subject: PESO: Yellow Tang

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15292672&size=md

Comments are welcome.

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Re: Would a B&W ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

No.

Cheers,
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From: Charles Robinson 
Sent: March 15, 2012 3/15/12
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Subject: Re: Would a B&W ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

On Mar 15, 2012, at 15:37, John Sessoms wrote:

> From: Darren Addy
> 
>> Before you answer: What if it was a Leica?
>> http://www.petapixel.com/2012/03/15/leicas-upcoming-m-series-camera-may-have-a-bw-sensor/
>> 
>> Darren Addy
>> Kearney, Nebraska
> 
> No.
> 
> ... and no.
> 

What he said.

 -Charles

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Re: OT - Online critics


From: Bruce Walker


On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:

On Mar 14, 2012, at 2:25 PM, Bob W wrote:

I agree half-way with you. The theoretical image COULD be pure schmuck
and 'the many' were duped into following the masses because of the
stature of the photographer.

Tom C.

Maybe, but how does the photographer get his stature in the first place, if
all he produces is pure schmuck?


Ask Peter Lik.





First I've heard of this guy so I had a look. Fine panorama's, many
stunning views, colourful but thankfully free of overt HDRism.

I'll bite. What's the issue with Peter Lik's stuff? Too populist?
Excessive self-promotion?



Ken Rockwell & Crocodile Dundee's love child.

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Re: OT - Online critics

I have lots of problems with this guy and his photos. 

Let me start by saying that I don't know what "art" is, but when the word 
"fine" is put in front of it, it usually ain't.

My biggest problem is that everything is larger than life. His descriptions of 
the hardships he endures to get the perfect photo, his description of the 
photos and the photos themselves. It's all hyper-real, more than I can take.

Plus, he used the word "zen" apparently without irony. Need I say more?

I know that we all bump up the saturation a bit for a beautiful sunset or 
whatever. But this guy is way ott.

I won't mention names because I'm bound to forget someone, but there are a 
dozen or more photographers here whose landscapes blow this guy out of the 
water. What he's doing isn't bad but it's not great either.

It strikes me that he's pandering to his audience (said audience no doubt 
determined by a market survey) and when that happens often "art" somehow gets 
lost along the way.

His stuff (to me) is the photographic equivalent of velvet paintings of clowns 
and puppies with big eyes, Andre Rieux or Nora Roberts.

Or Thomas Kinkaid.

Cheers,
frank

"What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." -- 
Christopher Hitchens

--- Original Message ---

From: Larry Colen 
Sent: March 15, 2012 3/15/12
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Subject: Re: OT - Online critics

On Mar 15, 2012, at 12:17 PM,   
wrote:

> I had never heard of him until a recent series about his photographic trips 
> on the Weather channel.
> 
> He comes across as bigger than life, a little too aninmated but I think his 
> photos speak for them self.

I saw a couple episodes of his show.  The guy makes me seem humble.  He talks 
about the difficulty of hauling his SLR out to where ever, and there's the 
cameraman videotaping him rappelling down the cliff.  But, they don't mention 
that.  All the video is just as impressive as the stills they flash.  To be 
honest, the guy isn't a bad photographer, he just is nowhere near as good of a 
photographer as he is a publicist.

With his salesmanship skills, even I could make a comfortable living at 
photography.

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Re: Would a B&W ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

2012-03-15 Thread Charles Robinson

On Mar 15, 2012, at 15:37, John Sessoms wrote:

> From: Darren Addy
> 
>> Before you answer: What if it was a Leica?
>> http://www.petapixel.com/2012/03/15/leicas-upcoming-m-series-camera-may-have-a-bw-sensor/
>> 
>> Darren Addy
>> Kearney, Nebraska
> 
> No.
> 
> ... and no.
> 

What he said.

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Re: Would a B&W ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

2012-03-15 Thread Daniel J. Matyola

No
Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola



On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Darren Addy  wrote:
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> http://www.petapixel.com/2012/03/15/leicas-upcoming-m-series-camera-may-have-a-bw-sensor/
>
> Darren Addy
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RE: Would a B&W ONLY digital camera appeal to you?


From: Darren Addy


Before you answer: What if it was a Leica?
http://www.petapixel.com/2012/03/15/leicas-upcoming-m-series-camera-may-have-a-bw-sensor/

Darren Addy
Kearney, Nebraska


No.

... and no.

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PESO: Yellow Tang

2012-03-15 Thread Daniel J. Matyola

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15292672&size=md

Comments are welcome.

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Re: OT - Online critics

On Mar 15, 2012, at 12:17 PM,   
wrote:

> I had never heard of him until a recent series about his photographic trips 
> on the Weather channel.
> 
> He comes across as bigger than life, a little too aninmated but I think his 
> photos speak for them self.

I saw a couple episodes of his show.  The guy makes me seem humble.  He talks 
about the difficulty of hauling his SLR out to where ever, and there's the 
cameraman videotaping him rappelling down the cliff.  But, they don't mention 
that.  All the video is just as impressive as the stills they flash.  To be 
honest, the guy isn't a bad photographer, he just is nowhere near as good of a 
photographer as he is a publicist.

With his salesmanship skills, even I could make a comfortable living at 
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Re: OT - Online critics

Well, Tom I recall your Velvia  past. Doubtless your color cones are calloused. 
;-)

Jack

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Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: OT - Online critics

> I had never heard of him until a recent series about his photographic trips
> on the Weather channel.
>
> He comes across as bigger than life, a little too aninmated but I think his
> photos speak for them self.
>
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

I hadn't heard of him until now. A look at his online gallery left me
with mixed feelings, but more positive than negative. I saw some that
didn't excite me but overall I thought it was pretty decent, and there
were some I thought were excellent. While it looked like saturation
was boosted I didn't find it excessively so in most cases.

Tom C.

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Re: OT - Online critics

> I had never heard of him until a recent series about his photographic trips
> on the Weather channel.
>
> He comes across as bigger than life, a little too aninmated but I think his
> photos speak for them self.
>
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

I hadn't heard of him until now. A look at his online gallery left me
with mixed feelings, but more positive than negative. I saw some that
didn't excite me but overall I thought it was pretty decent, and there
were some I thought were excellent. While it looked like saturation
was boosted I didn't find it excessively so in most cases.

Tom C.

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PESO -- The Tower II


For those of you who wondered where it was.

The Tower II with Green Man err Green Woman, err Green Person, (because 
he she it seems to have the necessary accessories to be a woman, buy you 
never know).


http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20thetowerii.html

Equipment: Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax FA 20-36mm f4.0

Notes:  Slight enhancement to the sweatshirt to enhance the green effect.

As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.

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Re: OT - Online critics

Let's be a bit more precise here, it's not impossible to insult 
Kennyboy, it's impossible for Kennyboy to be insulted.  A very subtle 
difference.


On 3/15/2012 11:59 AM, John Sessoms wrote:

I would have never thought it possible to insult Kennyboy.

From: Jack Davis


The Kennyboy of painters.
?
Jack


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Subject: RE: OT - Online critics

I have only one thing to say:

http://www.thomaskinkade.com/magi/servlet/com.asucon.ebiz.home.web.tk.HomeServlet 



Cheers,
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I had never heard of him until a recent series about his photographic trips 
on the Weather channel.


He comes across as bigger than life, a little too aninmated but I think his 
photos speak for them self.


Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - 
From: "Bruce Walker" 

Subject: Re: OT - Online critics



On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:


On Mar 14, 2012, at 2:25 PM, Bob W wrote:



I agree half-way with you. The theoretical image COULD be pure schmuck
and 'the many' were duped into following the masses because of the
stature of the photographer.

Tom C.


Maybe, but how does the photographer get his stature in the first place, 
if

all he produces is pure schmuck?



Ask Peter Lik.

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First I've heard of this guy so I had a look. Fine panorama's, many
stunning views, colourful but thankfully free of overt HDRism.

I'll bite. What's the issue with Peter Lik's stuff? Too populist?
Excessive self-promotion?

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Virtually everything I've ever seen of his has been nauseatingly over saturated.


Jack


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Subject: Re: OT - Online critics

On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>
> On Mar 14, 2012, at 2:25 PM, Bob W wrote:
>>
>>> I agree half-way with you. The theoretical image COULD be pure schmuck
>>> and 'the many' were duped into following the masses because of the
>>> stature of the photographer.
>>>
>>> Tom C.
>>
>> Maybe, but how does the photographer get his stature in the first place, if
>> all he produces is pure schmuck?
>
>
> Ask Peter Lik.
>
> --
> Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est

First I've heard of this guy so I had a look. Fine panorama's, many
stunning views, colourful but thankfully free of overt HDRism.

I'll bite. What's the issue with Peter Lik's stuff? Too populist?
Excessive self-promotion?

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Re: OT - Online critics

On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>
> On Mar 14, 2012, at 2:25 PM, Bob W wrote:
>>
>>> I agree half-way with you. The theoretical image COULD be pure schmuck
>>> and 'the many' were duped into following the masses because of the
>>> stature of the photographer.
>>>
>>> Tom C.
>>
>> Maybe, but how does the photographer get his stature in the first place, if
>> all he produces is pure schmuck?
>
>
> Ask Peter Lik.
>
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First I've heard of this guy so I had a look. Fine panorama's, many
stunning views, colourful but thankfully free of overt HDRism.

I'll bite. What's the issue with Peter Lik's stuff? Too populist?
Excessive self-promotion?

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Re: Plastic Bullet

2012-03-15 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

looks entertaining. dunno if its worth another $2 ... I've got a lot
of these apps already.

G

On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> Has anyone tried this app?
>
> http://www.redgiantsoftware.com/products/all/plastic-bullet/
>
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Re: Plastic Bullet

2012-03-15 Thread steve harley


on 2012-03-13 18:02 Daniel J. Matyola wrote

Has anyone tried this app?

http://www.redgiantsoftware.com/products/all/plastic-bullet/


i have needed to sort out for myself what all those bloody photo apps are on my 
phone, so i took your question as an opportunity to sort through 34 apps and 
compare the ones that, like Plastic Bullet, do nostalgic filters and sharing:




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Re: I never enter photo contests BUT...

Yes, I am aware of that. And yes, I'm sure that some commercial interest or 
other can (and probably has) mined some information from our witty pearls of 
wisdom.

However, two points:

1. PDML is not driven by or affiliated with any commercial interests, and I 
really appreciate that, and,

2.  The forum that has set up the contest in question certainly is funded by 
advertisers. This contest is not really about honouring worthy photographs and 
photographers, it's about getting people to register information for use of 
their advertisers. That pisses me off. Kripes, they even have the nerve to 
~not~ offer the winners a prize!

Yeah, there's lots of info about me already out there; I don't want to make it 
any easier for them.

Cheers,
frank

"What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." -- 
Christopher Hitchens

--- Original Message ---

From: George Sinos 
Sent: March 15, 2012 3/15/12
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Subject: Re: I never enter photo contests BUT...

Tom - Are you aware that everything on PDML is publicly available on
the archive? 

It's easy to forget that "our little list" is not a private place.

gs

George Sinos

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On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Tom C  wrote:
>> From: "knarftheria...@gmail.com" 
>>
>> I'm not voting because I have to register at what's obviously an 
>> advertiser-driven website. I just don't want more of my personal information 
>> in the hands of commercial interests. I am getting tired of it.
>>
>> Makes me appreciate our little list all the more...
>>
>> Cheers,
>> frank
>>
>
> You ignorant fop! You have no idea what Doug Brewer does with the
> information posted on the PDML, and for that matter, neither do I. :-)
>
> Tom C.
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Re: Would a B&W ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

2012-03-15 Thread p. j. alling

Maybe if it was Pentax, for Leica you spend a lot for a nameplate.

On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Darren Addy  wrote:
> Before you answer: What if it was a Leica?
> http://www.petapixel.com/2012/03/15/leicas-upcoming-m-series-camera-may-have-a-bw-sensor/
>
> Darren Addy
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Re: OT - Online critics

Then along came Kinkade..for which I'll be forever grateful.

Jack


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From: John Sessoms 
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Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: OT - Online critics

I would have never thought it possible to insult Kennyboy.

From: Jack Davis

> The Kennyboy of painters.
> ?
> Jack
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "knarftheria...@gmail.com" 
> To: ""Pentax-Discuss Mail List"" 
> Cc:
> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 2:27 PM
> Subject: RE: OT - Online critics
>
> I have only one thing to say:
>
> http://www.thomaskinkade.com/magi/servlet/com.asucon.ebiz.home.web.tk.HomeServlet
>
>
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> frank


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Re: I never enter photo contests BUT...

> Tom C wrote:
>
>>> From: "knarftheria...@gmail.com" 
>>>
>>> I'm not voting because I have to register at what's obviously an 
>>> advertiser-driven website. I just don't want more of my personal 
>>> information in the hands of commercial interests. I am getting tired of it.
>>>
>>> Makes me appreciate our little list all the more...
>>>
>>You ignorant fop! You have no idea what Doug Brewer does with the
>>information posted on the PDML, and for that matter, neither do I. :-)
>
> Nothing to worry about: We only need to be concerned about *accurate*
> information about us! ;-)
> --
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> www.robertstech.com

LOL! A sticks and stones approach. I like it.

Tom C.

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Re: Pentax DA 18-135 zoom


From: John Francis


On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 04:03:45PM -0400, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Does anyone have any experience with, or opinions on, the following lens?

smc PENTAX-DA 1:3.5-5.6 18-135mm ED AL [IF] DC WR

And just what do all those letters at the end mean?

ED - Extra Dispersion  Some elements made of high-refractive-index glass

AL - Aspherical eLements   Some of those pieces of glass have shapes
   that are somewhat harder to manufacture.

IF - Internal FocusThe front element doesn't rotate when focussing
   (which is very handy if you're using a polariser)

DC - ??Don't Care?  Destroys Cameras?

WR - Water Resistant


DC = Direct Current motor

... and I believe ED stands for Extra *low* Dispersion glass

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Re: I never enter photo contests BUT...

> Tom - Are you aware that everything on PDML is publicly available on
> the archive? 
>
> It's easy to forget that "our little list" is not a private place.
>
> gs
>
> George Sinos

Yes I am. :-) That's why I typically post under Tom C. and not my full
name. At least that way if I write something REALLY REALLY REALLY
stupid or obnoxious, it's not instantly associated with my name by the
world at large. E-mail,address, IP address, yes there's ways to make
connections, even by by going to where I post photos, but at least my
name and my stupidity don't appear on the same screen.

Tom C.

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Re: OT - Online critics


From: John Francis


On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 02:44:03PM -0700, Larry Colen wrote:

Have you noticed how many musicians have really crappy stereos?

Two observations:

 o  Musicians care more about the music than about the equipment

 o  If it's not as good as live music, it really doesn't matter
exactly how much worse it is - it's still only second best.


Third observation - working musicians don't often have a lot of excess 
disposable income to spend on stereo equipment.


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Would a B&W ONLY digital camera appeal to you?

2012-03-15 Thread Darren Addy

Before you answer: What if it was a Leica?
http://www.petapixel.com/2012/03/15/leicas-upcoming-m-series-camera-may-have-a-bw-sensor/

Darren Addy
Kearney, Nebraska

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Re: OT - Online critics