Re: Save me from my desire...

2014-03-04 Thread Bob W-PDML
Or, looked at another way, that K-3, computer and several guitars is a Leica 
monochrom!

I used to play (and I use the word loosely) flamenco, but very badly, and when 
my guitar snapped one day I took it as a warning from the muses, dumped the 
wreckage, and cut my fingernails.

B

> On 5 Mar 2014, at 02:41, "Walt"  wrote:
> 
> Yikes! I looked up the going rate and and thought, "Hmm. That's a K-3, a new 
> computer, and several nice guitars!"
> 
> 
>> On 3/4/2014 4:17 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:
>> Does anyone here have any experience of using the Leica Monochrom, and cares 
>> to tell all?
>> 
>> I am about to cash in a matured savings account, and the Leica site is doing 
>> nasty things to my mind, like Fanny Ardant doing a slow striptease in my 
>> door jamb...
>> 
>> http://uk.leica-camera.com/photography/m_system/m_monochrom/
>> 
>> B
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Re: Save me from my desire...

2014-03-04 Thread Chris Mitchell
If you don't like it, you could always drop it into a bin like you did
with the M8 in Paris...
http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/ParisPDML2010/slides/_IGP5159.html

On 4 March 2014 22:17, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> Does anyone here have any experience of using the Leica Monochrom, and cares 
> to tell all?
>
> I am about to cash in a matured savings account, and the Leica site is doing 
> nasty things to my mind, like Fanny Ardant doing a slow striptease in my door 
> jamb...
>
> http://uk.leica-camera.com/photography/m_system/m_monochrom/
>
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Re: Save me from my desire...

2014-03-04 Thread Bob W-PDML
I don't expect anyone to try and talk me out of it - the subject line is just a 
tease - but if anyone has experience of using one I'd be interested to hear it.

B

> On 5 Mar 2014, at 05:33, "John"  wrote:
> 
> I wouldn't buy it even if I won ALL the lotteries (and anyway I would
> have to actually buy lottery tickets first).
> 
> As someone else pointed out, you can make good black & white images
> using a camera that has a color sensor, but you won't [easily] make
> color images with a camera that has a monochrome sensor.
> 
> But, it's Bob's money, so he can do with it what he wants. It's not my
> job to tell him what he can or can't buy.
> 
>> On 3/4/2014 11:21 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:
>> It's a camera that I want but couldn't possibly justify even to my self
>> if I won the .
>> 
>>> On 3/4/2014 5:17 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:
>>> Does anyone here have any experience of using the Leica Monochrom, and
>>> cares to tell all?
>>> 
>>> I am about to cash in a matured savings account, and the Leica site is
>>> doing nasty things to my mind, like Fanny Ardant doing a slow
>>> striptease in my door jamb...
>>> 
>>> http://uk.leica-camera.com/photography/m_system/m_monochrom/
>>> 
>>> B

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Re: Save me from my desire...

2014-03-04 Thread Bob W-PDML
On 5 Mar 2014, at 03:04, "Darren Addy"  wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 8:11 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>> Worse still IMHO is that you must accept the b&w rendering that the
>> camera applies. That's like using a single film only for all your
>> shooting and seems awfully limiting. With a colour camera you can use
>> any of dozens of possible conversion techniques from RAW to b&w and so
>> get a lot more artistic control over the process.
> 
> Respectfully, Bruce, that's not true. If you read the B&H reviews,
> many people still enjoy using Silver Efex Pro to do their own
> rendering from the RAW files (which still contain way more information
> than a mere JPEG does).  You've got all kind of creativity left there.
> 
> Whether it is worth $8K for the camera and several $K more for the
> decent lenses to put on it is a different matter. I think anyone who
> spends that is either MAD or perhaps dying and wants to do SOMETHING
> with the money they have in the bank. Hopefully that is not the case
> with BobW!
> 

Well, we're all dying. Mad? I'll leave that diagnosis to my team of shrinks and 
straitjacket tailors. I already have a M8, a M3 and half a dozen Leica lenses, 
so nothing extra to buy. I'm torn between the Monochrom and the M typ 240.

B
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Re: PESO: Eat More Fruit

2014-03-04 Thread John

On 3/5/2014 12:12 AM, Ken Waller wrote:


Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - From: "David Mann" 
Subject: Re: PESO: Eat More Fruit



On Mar 5, 2014, at 11:06 am, Bob W-PDML  wrote:


Incidentally, that Wikipedia article contains a rather classic piece
of (non-)editing:

"It is the busiest station [...] with some 26.2 passenger movements
recorded in 2011-12".


Well it's a marathon effort to run the rail system there.



And they're probably metric passengers


Cheers,
Dave





Does it say what kind of movements?

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Re: Save me from my desire...

2014-03-04 Thread John

I wouldn't buy it even if I won ALL the lotteries (and anyway I would
have to actually buy lottery tickets first).

As someone else pointed out, you can make good black & white images
using a camera that has a color sensor, but you won't [easily] make
color images with a camera that has a monochrome sensor.

But, it's Bob's money, so he can do with it what he wants. It's not my
job to tell him what he can or can't buy.

On 3/4/2014 11:21 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:

It's a camera that I want but couldn't possibly justify even to my self
if I won the .

On 3/4/2014 5:17 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:

Does anyone here have any experience of using the Leica Monochrom, and
cares to tell all?

I am about to cash in a matured savings account, and the Leica site is
doing nasty things to my mind, like Fanny Ardant doing a slow
striptease in my door jamb...

http://uk.leica-camera.com/photography/m_system/m_monochrom/

B





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Re: Save me from my desire...

2014-03-04 Thread John

If it's what you want, you should go ahead and get it and not expect us
to tell you that you can't have it.

On 3/4/2014 5:17 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:

Does anyone here have any experience of using the Leica Monochrom,
and cares to tell all?

I am about to cash in a matured savings account, and the Leica site
is doing nasty things to my mind, like Fanny Ardant doing a slow
striptease in my door jamb...

http://uk.leica-camera.com/photography/m_system/m_monochrom/

B



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Re: PESO: Eat More Fruit

2014-03-04 Thread Ken Waller


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From: "David Mann" 

Subject: Re: PESO: Eat More Fruit



On Mar 5, 2014, at 11:06 am, Bob W-PDML  wrote:

Incidentally, that Wikipedia article contains a rather classic piece of 
(non-)editing:


"It is the busiest station [...] with some 26.2 passenger movements 
recorded in 2011-12".


Well it's a marathon effort to run the rail system there.



And they're probably metric passengers


Cheers,
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Re: K-3 wonkiness

2014-03-04 Thread John

On 3/4/2014 4:43 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:

On 4 Mar 2014, at 21:31, "Stan Halpin" 
wrote:




Sent from my iPad


On Mar 4, 2014, at 10:48 PM, Bob W-PDML 
wrote:

Cameras always know when you are far from home, and do something
to mess with your head. It might be worthwhile to sit down with
both cameras and make sure that A and B are set up in exactly the
same way, in case you have inadvertently changed something, such
as white balance in all that dust.

B

First thing tomorrow.


Clean them both too. When I go to the dustier regions of the world I
make a point of cleaning my cameras and lenses every evening when I
get back to my yurt.

B


IF you can find a cleft stick to hold the sensor cleaning pad.

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Re: OT - video: GoPros over a dolphin stampede

2014-03-04 Thread John

Take a look at this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zE6BaFDkP4

... from about 2:50 it's like a commercial. In fact, I think it *is* a 
commercial:


http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007HZLLOK/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B007HZLLOK&linkCode=as2&tag=hubpages0f0e-20

http://tinyurl.com/parrot-ipad

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=parrot%20ar.drone%202.0%20quadricopter%20controlled%20by%20ipod%20touch%20iphone%20ipad%20and%20android%20devices&sm=1

http://tinyurl.com/parrot-utube

On 3/4/2014 2:03 PM, David J Brooks wrote:

Just wondering, looks like the feed is going back to a computer so
they can manover the Go Pro.

Dave

On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:54 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:

On 3/3/14, Bruce Walker, discombobulated, unleashed:


Pretty cool use of a quadcopter with a GoPro on it ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bo_f8mV5khg&feature=youtu.be


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Re: Pentax DSLR electronic cable release compatibitlity

2014-03-04 Thread P.J. Alling

Yes.

On 2/28/2014 10:49 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote:
does anybody know if the electronic cable release for the istDS can be 
used on later model

Pentax DSLRS like K10 k20 k5 k3, etc?





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Re: Save me from my desire...

2014-03-04 Thread P.J. Alling
It's a camera that I want but couldn't possibly justify even to my self 
if I won the .


On 3/4/2014 5:17 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:

Does anyone here have any experience of using the Leica Monochrom, and cares to 
tell all?

I am about to cash in a matured savings account, and the Leica site is doing 
nasty things to my mind, like Fanny Ardant doing a slow striptease in my door 
jamb...

http://uk.leica-camera.com/photography/m_system/m_monochrom/

B



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Re: Pentax is in good hands...

2014-03-04 Thread P.J. Alling

I don't know about full frame, but they seem to be full bodied...

On 3/4/2014 8:01 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

On Mar 3, 2014, at 6:49 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:


Who needs a full frame body when we have these?

You mean those aren't full-frame?

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Re: OT: iPhone photo (was: Save me from my desire...)

2014-03-04 Thread David Mann
On Mar 5, 2014, at 3:35 pm, Bong Manayon  wrote:

> Speaking of shooting only monochrome/black & white, I took my class on a 
> field trip; we were all armed with black & white film when I saw this--it had 
> to be in color! So I grabbed my student's iPhone (4--I think)...
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bongmanayon/9339168867/

That's very nice.  I like the colours.

Cheers,
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Re: Save me from my desire...

2014-03-04 Thread Larry Colen
On Tue, Mar 04, 2014 at 10:17:26PM +, Bob W-PDML wrote:
> Does anyone here have any experience of using the Leica Monochrom, and cares 
> to tell all?

No but I have experience with the progress that digital sensors are making.

> 
> I am about to cash in a matured savings account, and the Leica site is doing 
> nasty things to my mind, like Fanny Ardant doing a slow striptease in my door 
> jamb...
> 
> http://uk.leica-camera.com/photography/m_system/m_monochrom/

You could spend that money now, or wait a few years and get equivalent B&W 
performance for a quarter of the price out of a color system.

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Re: Save me from my desire...

2014-03-04 Thread Darren Addy
On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 8:11 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> Worse still IMHO is that you must accept the b&w rendering that the
> camera applies. That's like using a single film only for all your
> shooting and seems awfully limiting. With a colour camera you can use
> any of dozens of possible conversion techniques from RAW to b&w and so
> get a lot more artistic control over the process.

Respectfully, Bruce, that's not true. If you read the B&H reviews,
many people still enjoy using Silver Efex Pro to do their own
rendering from the RAW files (which still contain way more information
than a mere JPEG does).  You've got all kind of creativity left there.

Whether it is worth $8K for the camera and several $K more for the
decent lenses to put on it is a different matter. I think anyone who
spends that is either MAD or perhaps dying and wants to do SOMETHING
with the money they have in the bank. Hopefully that is not the case
with BobW!



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Re: Save me from my desire...

2014-03-04 Thread Rob Studdert
Bruce all the screw-on colour filters still work similarly to how they
did in the days of silver halides on acetate ;)


On 5 March 2014 13:40, Walt  wrote:
> Yikes! I looked up the going rate and and thought, "Hmm. That's a K-3, a new
> computer, and several nice guitars!"
>
>
>
>
>
> On 3/4/2014 4:17 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone here have any experience of using the Leica Monochrom, and
>> cares to tell all?
>>
>> I am about to cash in a matured savings account, and the Leica site is
>> doing nasty things to my mind, like Fanny Ardant doing a slow striptease in
>> my door jamb...
>>
>> http://uk.leica-camera.com/photography/m_system/m_monochrom/
>>
>> B
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Re: Save me from my desire...

2014-03-04 Thread Walt
Yikes! I looked up the going rate and and thought, "Hmm. That's a K-3, a 
new computer, and several nice guitars!"





On 3/4/2014 4:17 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:

Does anyone here have any experience of using the Leica Monochrom, and cares to 
tell all?

I am about to cash in a matured savings account, and the Leica site is doing 
nasty things to my mind, like Fanny Ardant doing a slow striptease in my door 
jamb...

http://uk.leica-camera.com/photography/m_system/m_monochrom/

B



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OT: iPhone photo (was: Save me from my desire...)

2014-03-04 Thread Bong Manayon
Speaking of shooting only monochrome/black & white, I took my class on a field 
trip; we were all armed with black & white film when I saw this--it had to be 
in color! So I grabbed my student's iPhone (4--I think)...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bongmanayon/9339168867/

 
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Re: Save me from my desire...

2014-03-04 Thread Paul Stenquist
Don’t do it. It’s a bit of pretentious jewelry for HCB wannabes. Buy a standard 
Leica and control your BW output by doing your own conversions.

Paul
On Mar 4, 2014, at 5:17 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:

> Does anyone here have any experience of using the Leica Monochrom, and cares 
> to tell all?
> 
> I am about to cash in a matured savings account, and the Leica site is doing 
> nasty things to my mind, like Fanny Ardant doing a slow striptease in my door 
> jamb...
> 
> http://uk.leica-camera.com/photography/m_system/m_monochrom/
> 
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Re: Save me from my desire...

2014-03-04 Thread Bruce Walker
Worse still IMHO is that you must accept the b&w rendering that the
camera applies. That's like using a single film only for all your
shooting and seems awfully limiting. With a colour camera you can use
any of dozens of possible conversion techniques from RAW to b&w and so
get a lot more artistic control over the process.

On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 8:36 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
>
> Bob: Resist!  You can use a color camera to take monochrome pix, but you 
> can't use a monochrome camera to take color ones.

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Re: Pentax is in good hands...

2014-03-04 Thread Bong Manayon
That's me...so I did not take the photo :)


On another note, we were able to lobby something enviable: the Pentax factory 
now services/repairs cameras (current models so as not to disrupt their 
logistics).  You cannot walk-in (yet) to have your camera fixed as everything 
is mediated by the local distributor; besides being in an archipelago you 
really cannot 'walk'-in anyway (it would involve swimming or flying too). For 
us here in the Philippines, it saves having to send the cameras to Japan for 
repairs.  I have tested it and my beaten up K-5 is as good as new (I noticed my 
firmware reverting back to ver. 1.0 when I got it back; I assumed their testing 
was calibrated to that version; I have not upgraded it back to the latest or a 
newer version since--it works).  They are 'exchanging' with the Vietnam lens 
factory so they can eventually also work on lenses.

Would I know any inside info?  I can but I usually shush the guys up when they 
offer rumor worthy tidbits that way when captured I cannot divulge anything 
under torture :)

 
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On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 8:37 AM, Bill  wrote:
On 03/03/2014 8:22 PM, Bong Manayon wrote:
> Here is a story worth telling: I unsubscribed August/September 2013
> because of email issues and this happened soon after.  This was told
> to a handful who wandered into my 'friends' list in FB (you know who
> you are).  So sometime in September 2013, the Pentax factory in Cebu
> threw a party for its 20th million assembled unit (includes P&S) and
> I was invited. Looking at their program/poster, I saw the sponsors
> which included the local 'usual suspects' (hotels, airlines...) plus
> a company known as "San-Ai, Japan".
>
> So I asked the organizers who/what is "San-Ai, Japan".  They replied
> that it was one of the subsidiaries in the Ricoh universe.  They make
> bikinis.  Pentax is in good hands.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bongmanayon/12918535014/
>

You are going to take an awful ribbing for this picture, all well deserved.
Having said that, I think it is an excellent picture.
Is that you?

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Re: Save me from my desire...

2014-03-04 Thread Rick Womer
Oh, Darren, you chose pix of France for Bob, too!  You are naughty.

Bob: Resist!  You can use a color camera to take monochrome pix, but you can't 
use a monochrome camera to take color ones.

Rick

On Mar 4, 2014, at 5:34 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

> No personal experience, Bob, but
> http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=leica+monochrom&m=tags&ss=1&s=int
> (Just a friendly shove down the slippery slope).
> :)
> 
> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
>> Does anyone here have any experience of using the Leica Monochrom, and cares 
>> to tell all?
>> 
>> I am about to cash in a matured savings account, and the Leica site is doing 
>> nasty things to my mind, like Fanny Ardant doing a slow striptease in my 
>> door jamb...
>> 
>> http://uk.leica-camera.com/photography/m_system/m_monochrom/
>> 
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Re: Pentax is in good hands...

2014-03-04 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Mar 3, 2014, at 6:49 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:

> Who needs a full frame body when we have these?

You mean those aren't full-frame? 

G

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Re: Save me from my desire...

2014-03-04 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Just go for it, Bob.  It's a lovely camera. Forget about the money. 

G

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> Does anyone here have any experience of using the Leica Monochrom, and cares 
> to tell all?
> 
> I am about to cash in a matured savings account, and the Leica site is doing 
> nasty things to my mind, like Fanny Ardant doing a slow striptease in my door 
> jamb...
> 
> http://uk.leica-camera.com/photography/m_system/m_monochrom/


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Re: Pentax is in good hands...

2014-03-04 Thread Bill

On 03/03/2014 8:22 PM, Bong Manayon wrote:

Here is a story worth telling: I unsubscribed August/September 2013
because of email issues and this happened soon after.  This was told
to a handful who wandered into my 'friends' list in FB (you know who
you are).  So sometime in September 2013, the Pentax factory in Cebu
threw a party for its 20th million assembled unit (includes P&S) and
I was invited. Looking at their program/poster, I saw the sponsors
which included the local 'usual suspects' (hotels, airlines...) plus
a company known as "San-Ai, Japan".

So I asked the organizers who/what is "San-Ai, Japan".  They replied
that it was one of the subsidiaries in the Ricoh universe.  They make
bikinis.  Pentax is in good hands.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bongmanayon/12918535014/



You are going to take an awful ribbing for this picture, all well deserved.
Having said that, I think it is an excellent picture.
Is that you?

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Re: Save me from my desire...

2014-03-04 Thread Bill

On 04/03/2014 4:17 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:

Does anyone here have any experience of using the Leica Monochrom, and cares to 
tell all?

I am about to cash in a matured savings account, and the Leica site is doing 
nasty things to my mind, like Fanny Ardant doing a slow striptease in my door 
jamb...

http://uk.leica-camera.com/photography/m_system/m_monochrom/



Bob, don't expect anyone here to try to talk you out of buying a very 
desirable piece of equipment.

We aren't well renowned for being a group of terrible enablers for nothing.
I think that camera would be a good fit for your photography.

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Re: K-3 wonkiness

2014-03-04 Thread Rob Studdert
Hi Stan,

Looking at various reports I'm pretty sure that the K3 has some way to
go before the firmware is as robust as the K5, I've seen multiple
reports of the shutter actuation going crazy (not happened to me yet),
total system lock-ups when using a battery in the grip and body (I've
experienced this first hand) and with your report and my issue with
the memory card problem it is difficult to have great trust in the
camera. I just bought a large 95MB/s card and I'll see how the camera
behaves with that for the moment but I have to keep using it because
the poor auto-focus system in the K5 just loses me so many images.

Cheers,

Rob

On 5 March 2014 07:29, Stan Halpin  wrote:
> Not a biggie since i haven't lost anything yet, but this was a bit 
> disturbing...
>
> So I carry two K-3's, A and B. A is used more often, it hangs from a wrist 
> strap. B stays in the backpack or sometimes around my neck if I am switching 
> back and forth between wide and long for example. I occasionally chimp, 
> primarily to check the RGB histograms to make sure I haven't inadvertently 
> changed a setting and put myself out of range. Today on my A camera I was 
> noticing a strange color cast on the LCD. After a few more shots I became 
> convinced that something was wonky, switched to the B camera and went on.
>
> I just downloaded the shots from camera A via Lightroom. As long as Lightroom 
> was displaying thumbnails based on the in-camera jpg rendering, the color 
> balance was way off still. But once LR rendered previews, built from the RAW 
> data, everything looks just fine. So, the jpg portion of my K-# processor has 
> a random variable color-balance problem, but the basic DNG capture is just 
> fine. To be clear, there is not a consistent color balance bias toward too 
> much green in the jpg's for example. Rather, it is off in a random way for 
> each shot.
>
> Since I only shoot DNG and don't capture jpeg's in parallel, the good news 
> here far outweighs the bad. But still unsettling...
>
> stan
>
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Re: PESO 2014 - 055 - GDG

2014-03-04 Thread David J Brooks
Quite lovely

Dave

On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 10:16 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi
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> This scene caught my eye Thursday morning ..
>
>   http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/12824033943/
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Re: PESO: Eat More Fruit

2014-03-04 Thread David Mann
On Mar 5, 2014, at 11:06 am, Bob W-PDML  wrote:

> Incidentally, that Wikipedia article contains a rather classic piece of 
> (non-)editing:
> 
> "It is the busiest station [...] with some 26.2 passenger movements recorded 
> in 2011-12".

Well it's a marathon effort to run the rail system there.

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Re: Save me from my desire...

2014-03-04 Thread Darren Addy
No personal experience, Bob, but
http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=leica+monochrom&m=tags&ss=1&s=int
(Just a friendly shove down the slippery slope).
:)

On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
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> to tell all?
>
> I am about to cash in a matured savings account, and the Leica site is doing 
> nasty things to my mind, like Fanny Ardant doing a slow striptease in my door 
> jamb...
>
> http://uk.leica-camera.com/photography/m_system/m_monochrom/
>
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Save me from my desire...

2014-03-04 Thread Bob W-PDML
Does anyone here have any experience of using the Leica Monochrom, and cares to 
tell all?

I am about to cash in a matured savings account, and the Leica site is doing 
nasty things to my mind, like Fanny Ardant doing a slow striptease in my door 
jamb...

http://uk.leica-camera.com/photography/m_system/m_monochrom/

B
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Re: PESO: Eat More Fruit

2014-03-04 Thread Bob W-PDML
On 4 Mar 2014, at 21:51, "Bob W-PDML"  wrote:
> 
>> On 4 Mar 2014, at 21:29, "Stan Halpin"  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Mar 4, 2014, at 10:00 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
>> ...
>>> 
> Yes it is - and it's certainly still there.
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flinders_Street_Station
 
 Glad to hear it's still there.  It's good to find out what the clocks were 
 for, too.  I should have Googled it myself...
>>> 
>>> It interested me because I was born in Melbourne, so I might have been to 
>>> that station when I was a baby.
>>> 
>>> B
>>> --
>> 
>> If you were there, they would probably have a plaque or something 
>> commemorating the event. At least I hope that is the case!
> 
> My sister and her husband went to Australia a couple of years ago. She was 
> born in England, but is 3 years older than me and remembers Oz. They visited 
> Melbourne and have assured me that there is indeed a well-tended shrine at my 
> birthplace, and a long waiting list of lusty young maidens dedicating 
> themselves to a life of chastity until my return.
> 
> My elder brother was also born there, but apparently his birthplace has 
> fallen into disrepair and is being used to store old floppies.

Incidentally, that Wikipedia article contains a rather classic piece of 
(non-)editing:

"It is the busiest station [...] with some 26.2 passenger movements recorded in 
2011-12".

B
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Re: PESO: Eat More Fruit

2014-03-04 Thread Bob W-PDML
On 4 Mar 2014, at 21:29, "Stan Halpin"  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Mar 4, 2014, at 10:00 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> ...
>> 
 Yes it is - and it's certainly still there.
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flinders_Street_Station
>>> 
>>> Glad to hear it's still there.  It's good to find out what the clocks were 
>>> for, too.  I should have Googled it myself...
>> 
>> It interested me because I was born in Melbourne, so I might have been to 
>> that station when I was a baby.
>> 
>> B
>> --
> 
> If you were there, they would probably have a plaque or something 
> commemorating the event. At least I hope that is the case!
> 

My sister and her husband went to Australia a couple of years ago. She was born 
in England, but is 3 years older than me and remembers Oz. They visited 
Melbourne and have assured me that there is indeed a well-tended shrine at my 
birthplace, and a long waiting list of lusty young maidens dedicating 
themselves to a life of chastity until my return.

My elder brother was also born there, but apparently his birthplace has fallen 
into disrepair and is being used to store old floppies.

B
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Re: K-3 wonkiness

2014-03-04 Thread Bob W-PDML
On 4 Mar 2014, at 21:31, "Stan Halpin"  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Mar 4, 2014, at 10:48 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
>> 
>> Cameras always know when you are far from home, and do something to mess 
>> with your head. It might be worthwhile to sit down with both cameras and 
>> make sure that A and B are set up in exactly the same way, in case you have 
>> inadvertently changed something, such as white balance in all that dust.
>> 
>> B
> First thing tomorrow.

Clean them both too. When I go to the dustier regions of the world I make a 
point of cleaning my cameras and lenses every evening when I get back to my 
yurt.

B
> 
> stan
> 
>>> On 4 Mar 2014, at 20:30, "Stan Halpin"  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Not a biggie since i haven't lost anything yet, but this was a bit 
>>> disturbing...
>>> 
>>> So I carry two K-3's, A and B. A is used more often, it hangs from a wrist 
>>> strap. B stays in the backpack or sometimes around my neck if I am 
>>> switching back and forth between wide and long for example. I occasionally 
>>> chimp, primarily to check the RGB histograms to make sure I haven't 
>>> inadvertently changed a setting and put myself out of range. Today on my A 
>>> camera I was noticing a strange color cast on the LCD. After a few more 
>>> shots I became convinced that something was wonky, switched to the B camera 
>>> and went on.  
>>> 
>>> I just downloaded the shots from camera A via Lightroom. As long as 
>>> Lightroom was displaying thumbnails based on the in-camera jpg rendering, 
>>> the color balance was way off still. But once LR rendered previews, built 
>>> from the RAW data, everything looks just fine. So, the jpg portion of my 
>>> K-# processor has a random variable color-balance problem, but the basic 
>>> DNG capture is just fine. To be clear, there is not a consistent color 
>>> balance bias toward too much green in the jpg's for example. Rather, it is 
>>> off in a random way for each shot.
>>> 
>>> Since I only shoot DNG and don't capture jpeg's in parallel, the good news 
>>> here far outweighs the bad. But still unsettling...
>>> 
>>> stan
>>> 
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Re: K-3 wonkiness

2014-03-04 Thread Stan Halpin


Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 4, 2014, at 10:48 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> 
> Cameras always know when you are far from home, and do something to mess with 
> your head. It might be worthwhile to sit down with both cameras and make sure 
> that A and B are set up in exactly the same way, in case you have 
> inadvertently changed something, such as white balance in all that dust.
> 
> B
> 
First thing tomorrow.

stan

>> On 4 Mar 2014, at 20:30, "Stan Halpin"  wrote:
>> 
>> Not a biggie since i haven't lost anything yet, but this was a bit 
>> disturbing...
>> 
>> So I carry two K-3's, A and B. A is used more often, it hangs from a wrist 
>> strap. B stays in the backpack or sometimes around my neck if I am switching 
>> back and forth between wide and long for example. I occasionally chimp, 
>> primarily to check the RGB histograms to make sure I haven't inadvertently 
>> changed a setting and put myself out of range. Today on my A camera I was 
>> noticing a strange color cast on the LCD. After a few more shots I became 
>> convinced that something was wonky, switched to the B camera and went on.  
>> 
>> I just downloaded the shots from camera A via Lightroom. As long as 
>> Lightroom was displaying thumbnails based on the in-camera jpg rendering, 
>> the color balance was way off still. But once LR rendered previews, built 
>> from the RAW data, everything looks just fine. So, the jpg portion of my K-# 
>> processor has a random variable color-balance problem, but the basic DNG 
>> capture is just fine. To be clear, there is not a consistent color balance 
>> bias toward too much green in the jpg's for example. Rather, it is off in a 
>> random way for each shot.
>> 
>> Since I only shoot DNG and don't capture jpeg's in parallel, the good news 
>> here far outweighs the bad. But still unsettling...
>> 
>> stan
>> 
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Re: PESO: Eat More Fruit

2014-03-04 Thread Stan Halpin


Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 4, 2014, at 10:00 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
...
> 
>>> Yes it is - and it's certainly still there.
>>> 
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flinders_Street_Station
>> 
>> Glad to hear it's still there.  It's good to find out what the clocks were 
>> for, too.  I should have Googled it myself...
> 
> It interested me because I was born in Melbourne, so I might have been to 
> that station when I was a baby.
> 
> B
> -- 

If you were there, they would probably have a plaque or something commemorating 
the event. At least I hope that is the case!

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Re: PESO: Eat More Fruit

2014-03-04 Thread Bob W-PDML
On 4 Mar 2014, at 18:59, "David Mann"  wrote:
> 
>> On Mar 4, 2014, at 9:21 pm, Brian Walters  wrote:
>> 
>> Quoting Bob W-PDML :
>> 
>>> Architecturally it looks to me like a railway station, and lo! Google tells 
>>> me it is Flinders Street station.
>> 
>> 
>> Yes it is - and it's certainly still there.
>> 
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flinders_Street_Station
> 
> Glad to hear it's still there.  It's good to find out what the clocks were 
> for, too.  I should have Googled it myself...

It interested me because I was born in Melbourne, so I might have been to that 
station when I was a baby.

B
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Re: K-3 wonkiness

2014-03-04 Thread Bob W-PDML
Cameras always know when you are far from home, and do something to mess with 
your head. It might be worthwhile to sit down with both cameras and make sure 
that A and B are set up in exactly the same way, in case you have inadvertently 
changed something, such as white balance in all that dust.

B

> On 4 Mar 2014, at 20:30, "Stan Halpin"  wrote:
> 
> Not a biggie since i haven't lost anything yet, but this was a bit 
> disturbing...
> 
> So I carry two K-3's, A and B. A is used more often, it hangs from a wrist 
> strap. B stays in the backpack or sometimes around my neck if I am switching 
> back and forth between wide and long for example. I occasionally chimp, 
> primarily to check the RGB histograms to make sure I haven't inadvertently 
> changed a setting and put myself out of range. Today on my A camera I was 
> noticing a strange color cast on the LCD. After a few more shots I became 
> convinced that something was wonky, switched to the B camera and went on.  
> 
> I just downloaded the shots from camera A via Lightroom. As long as Lightroom 
> was displaying thumbnails based on the in-camera jpg rendering, the color 
> balance was way off still. But once LR rendered previews, built from the RAW 
> data, everything looks just fine. So, the jpg portion of my K-# processor has 
> a random variable color-balance problem, but the basic DNG capture is just 
> fine. To be clear, there is not a consistent color balance bias toward too 
> much green in the jpg's for example. Rather, it is off in a random way for 
> each shot.
> 
> Since I only shoot DNG and don't capture jpeg's in parallel, the good news 
> here far outweighs the bad. But still unsettling...
> 
> stan
> 
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K-3 wonkiness

2014-03-04 Thread Stan Halpin
Not a biggie since i haven't lost anything yet, but this was a bit disturbing...

So I carry two K-3's, A and B. A is used more often, it hangs from a wrist 
strap. B stays in the backpack or sometimes around my neck if I am switching 
back and forth between wide and long for example. I occasionally chimp, 
primarily to check the RGB histograms to make sure I haven't inadvertently 
changed a setting and put myself out of range. Today on my A camera I was 
noticing a strange color cast on the LCD. After a few more shots I became 
convinced that something was wonky, switched to the B camera and went on.  

I just downloaded the shots from camera A via Lightroom. As long as Lightroom 
was displaying thumbnails based on the in-camera jpg rendering, the color 
balance was way off still. But once LR rendered previews, built from the RAW 
data, everything looks just fine. So, the jpg portion of my K-# processor has a 
random variable color-balance problem, but the basic DNG capture is just fine. 
To be clear, there is not a consistent color balance bias toward too much green 
in the jpg's for example. Rather, it is off in a random way for each shot.

Since I only shoot DNG and don't capture jpeg's in parallel, the good news here 
far outweighs the bad. But still unsettling...

stan


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Re: PESO - Happy Ragnarok!

2014-03-04 Thread Attila Boros
On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 8:50 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
>
> I hope it's not me and Mike Wilson.

No need to worry Bob, they would be Lif and Liftraser.

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Re: OT - video: GoPros over a dolphin stampede

2014-03-04 Thread David J Brooks
Just wondering, looks like the feed is going back to a computer so
they can manover the Go Pro.

Dave

On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:54 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> On 3/3/14, Bruce Walker, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>Pretty cool use of a quadcopter with a GoPro on it ...
>>
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bo_f8mV5khg&feature=youtu.be
>
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Re: PESO: Eat More Fruit

2014-03-04 Thread David Mann
On Mar 4, 2014, at 9:21 pm, Brian Walters  wrote:

> Quoting Bob W-PDML :
> 
>> Architecturally it looks to me like a railway station, and lo! Google tells 
>> me it is Flinders Street station.
> 
> 
> Yes it is - and it's certainly still there.
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flinders_Street_Station

Glad to hear it's still there.  It's good to find out what the clocks were for, 
too.  I should have Googled it myself...

Cheers,
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Re: PESO: Eat More Fruit

2014-03-04 Thread knarf
I now know it's a railway station but it reminds me of some of the oldest 
pavilions that we have at the Canadian National Exhibition, an annual, 
permanent Toronto fair that dates back to Victorian times. 

Very cool building. Glad that those that escaped the wrecking ball of modernity 
are now preserved and protected. 

Wonderful photo. 

Cheers,
frank

On 3 March, 2014 10:21:41 PM EST, David Mann  wrote:
>Here's an old photo from Melbourne.  I haven't been there yet so I
>don't know what building this is, or even whether it's still there.  I
>am hoping one of our Aussie colleagues can fill me in.  I suspect it
>may be a railway or tram station due to some of the other signage.
>
>http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/780/#peso
>
>I've written the sign text underneath the photo as it's hard to make
>out at that size.
>
>Apologies for the slight green cast but it looks better than a magenta
>one.
>
>Cheers,
>Dave

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Re: PESO - Happy Ragnarok!

2014-03-04 Thread Bob W-PDML
On 4 Mar 2014, at 17:08, "Attila Boros"  wrote:
> 
> Obviously not an authentic helmet but great fun nonetheless:)
> 
> According to Norse mythology, Ragnarok will happen after 3 successive
> winters without summer in between. Since this was a very harsh winter,
> the organizers of the Jorvik Viking Festival thought about making a
> little extra profit.
> 
> Lots of things supposed to happen, most of the gods killing each other
> in a big battle, the sun and moon swallowed by wolves. Two people will
> survive the apocalypse and repopulate the emerging new world.

I hope it's not me and Mike Wilson.

B

> It's
> been more than 20 years since I've read it, maybe Jostein can tell you
> more:)
> 
>> On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 4:17 AM, knarf  wrote:
>> February 22, the day of the Ice Race was predicted by some to be an ancient 
>> Norse day of prophesy. I'm not sure what was supposed to happen. Maybe it 
>> involved him:
>> 
>> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2014/02/happy-ragnarok.html?m=1
>> 
>> :-)
>> 

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Re: PESO - Happy Ragnarok!

2014-03-04 Thread Attila Boros
Obviously not an authentic helmet but great fun nonetheless:)

According to Norse mythology, Ragnarok will happen after 3 successive
winters without summer in between. Since this was a very harsh winter,
the organizers of the Jorvik Viking Festival thought about making a
little extra profit.

Lots of things supposed to happen, most of the gods killing each other
in a big battle, the sun and moon swallowed by wolves. Two people will
survive the apocalypse and repopulate the emerging new world. It's
been more than 20 years since I've read it, maybe Jostein can tell you
more:)

On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 4:17 AM, knarf  wrote:
> February 22, the day of the Ice Race was predicted by some to be an ancient 
> Norse day of prophesy. I'm not sure what was supposed to happen. Maybe it 
> involved him:
>
> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2014/02/happy-ragnarok.html?m=1
>
> :-)
>
> Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.
>
> Cheers,
> frank
> "Analysis kills spontaneity." -- Henri-Frederic Amiel
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Re: PESO 2014 - 055 - GDG

2014-03-04 Thread Attila Boros
Very nice! Great light and colors, and I like the simplicity.

On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 5:16 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> This scene caught my eye Thursday morning ..
>
>   http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/12824033943/
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Re: Geso Midwest Winter

2014-03-04 Thread Don Guthrie
I know Rick I know. I am trying to scare it away with its own visage. 
Thanks for the look.


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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 19:47:50 -0500
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I'd enjoy those lovely pics if I weren't so damned sick of snow.

Rick

On Mar 3, 2014, at 4:54 PM, Don Guthrie wrote:


>If you have not seen enuf snow try this gallery. Mostly Pentax with one or two 
mongrels. C&C always welcome.
>
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/valdon/sets/72157641820178595/
>
>http://donspix.smugmug.com/Landscapes/Iowa-in-the-Winter/i-5C2q54M#
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Re: Geso Midwest Winter

2014-03-04 Thread Don Guthrie
Thanks for the look, John. Those photo are from a local golf course and 
yes I have a Summer view and a Spring fog version and will revisit.


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Message: 5 Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2014 18:01:38 -0500 From: John
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<531509d2.6040...@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8;
format=flowed _K331840 & _K331854 have a lot of potential. It would be
worth working the scene intensively to see how many ways you can express
the leading lines. On 3/3/2014 4:54 PM, Don Guthrie wrote:

>If you have not seen enuf snow try this gallery. Mostly Pentax with one
>or two mongrels. C&C always welcome.
>
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/valdon/sets/72157641820178595/
>
>http://donspix.smugmug.com/Landscapes/Iowa-in-the-Winter/i-5C2q54M#
>
>The 1st 15 on SmugMug , the rest are from last year.
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Re: Geso Midwest Winter

2014-03-04 Thread Don Guthrie

Thanks Darren, I like the square format for many subjects as well.


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I especially like that first one, Don. I'm a sucker for square format
images, and I like how the early/late light brings out the subtle
colors.

On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Don Guthrie  wrote:

>If you have not seen enuf snow try this gallery. Mostly Pentax with one or
>two mongrels. C&C always welcome.
>
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/valdon/sets/72157641820178595/
>
>http://donspix.smugmug.com/Landscapes/Iowa-in-the-Winter/i-5C2q54M#
>
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Re: K3 card failure

2014-03-04 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 3/3/14, Charles Robinson, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I always use a format to clear the card after dumping the images onto my
>computer.

Always!

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Re: OT - video: GoPros over a dolphin stampede

2014-03-04 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 3/3/14, Bruce Walker, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Pretty cool use of a quadcopter with a GoPro on it ...
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bo_f8mV5khg&feature=youtu.be

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Re: OT: PC Video Cards

2014-03-04 Thread Mark C
That's a good practice - I only open the case when I need to and am 
surprised at all the dust in there...


On 3/2/2014 11:04 AM, John wrote:
A couple of times a year, I tend to shut my PCs down so I can open 
them up, remove all the cards and vacuum out the case, power supply & 
motherboard


On 3/2/2014 8:58 AM, Mark C wrote:

Ug... I hope that is not the case. It has been working fine ever since I
pulled the memory out and re-seated it. It also passed the memory
diagnostic that comes with Win 7. HOpefully it was just a bit of dust on
a contact...


On 3/2/2014 4:12 AM, mike wilson wrote:

My machine did this just before the (ASUS) motherboard went belly up.
Don't buy a card yet, just use the onboard video for a while, assuming
it is there. Or you may be eligible to join the "two cards, no
computer" club.








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Re: Pentax is in good hands...

2014-03-04 Thread Darren Addy
Just one more piece of evidence that Ricoh understands this basic
principle: It Pays to Advertise!

On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 1:37 AM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> Bootiful plumage!
>
> B
>
>> On 4 Mar 2014, at 02:23, "Bong Manayon"  wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>> So I asked the organizers who/what is "San-Ai, Japan".  They replied that it 
>> was one of the subsidiaries in the Ricoh universe.  They make bikinis.  
>> Pentax is in good hands.
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bongmanayon/12918535014/
>>
>> :-D
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Re: PESO - The High Priestess

2014-03-04 Thread Bruce Walker
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:14 PM, David Mann  wrote:
> On Mar 4, 2014, at 2:15 am, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 11:20 PM, David Mann  wrote:
>>>
>>> I use adjustment layers all the time, they're great.  I just wish the 
>>> highlight/shadow tool was available as an adjustment layer.
>>
>> Two words: Smart Object.
>>
>> While it would be nice if it was an adjustment layer, it's not a
>> biggie for me. I primarily use the highlight/shadow tool to retouch
>> eyes and that requires copying just the eyes to their own layer for
>> the tool to calculate the right values.
>
> I'll look into smart objects, assuming they're available in CS5 :)
>
> For some of the files I processed today I created a new layer with the areas 
> I wanted to adjust, so I may continue to do that in future.
>
> I've also been known to create layer groups for difficult areas.  If you set 
> the blending mode on the group to "Normal" (default is pass-through) you can 
> add adjustment layers to the group without affecting the layers underneath it.

Smart Objects have been around since CS2. I have CS5 myself -- haven't
upgraded to CS6 quite yet (though I'm nervous about waiting too long)
-- and use SO's sometimes. Especially for filters like High-pass and
Gaussian blur, none of which are adjustment layers.

Yeah, I do that with groups too. But I more often use Clipping to add
an adjustment layer to just a single layer, the one right below it.

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Re: PESO: Eat More Fruit

2014-03-04 Thread Peter McIntosh
On 4 March 2014 14:21, David Mann  wrote:
> Here's an old photo from Melbourne.  I haven't been there yet so I don't know 
> what building this is, or even whether it's still there.  I am hoping one of 
> our Aussie colleagues can fill me in.  I suspect it may be a railway or tram 
> station due to some of the other signage.
>
> http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/780/#peso
>
> I've written the sign text underneath the photo as it's hard to make out at 
> that size.
>
> Apologies for the slight green cast but it looks better than a magenta one.
>
> Cheers,
> Dave
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Yup - Flinders St.  And just as busy now as then...

Ciao,

Pete Mac in Melbourne

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Re: PESO: Eat More Fruit

2014-03-04 Thread Brian Walters

Quoting Bob W-PDML :

Architecturally it looks to me like a railway station, and lo!  
Google tells me it is Flinders Street station.



Yes it is - and it's certainly still there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flinders_Street_Station


Cheers

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On 4 Mar 2014, at 03:23, "David Mann"  wrote:

Here's an old photo from Melbourne.  I haven't been there yet so I  
don't know what building this is, or even whether it's still there.  
 I am hoping one of our Aussie colleagues can fill me in.  I  
suspect it may be a railway or tram station due to some of the  
other signage.


http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/780/#peso

I've written the sign text underneath the photo as it's hard to  
make out at that size.


Apologies for the slight green cast but it looks better than a magenta one.

Cheers,
Dave






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